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Tuesday, 15.10.2013.

11:28

FM: Croatia must withdraw lawsuit first

The sequence of moves is clear - Croatia first filed a lawsuit against Serbia and should be the first to withdraw it, Serbian FM Ivan Mrkić has said.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

Throwing out little bits of wisdom from your computer in Australia does not constitute "fighting". Let's hear from he people that actually fought....what do they have to say.
(Huh??, 19 October 2013 11:54)
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I have heard fro them. You don't think we have those people here in Australia?

Huh??

pre 10 godina

"We all know exactly who were were fighting."

Throwing out little bits of wisdom from your computer in Australia does not constitute "fighting". Let's hear from he people that actually fought....what do they have to say.

icj1

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:19)

The above is more than normal considering that Serbs were avenging in Kosovo in 1999 the 1389 heroes' blood!

Peggy

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:19)
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We all know exactly who were were fighting.
What do you think the return of the same old symbols, songs and hate means?
Grandpa would be proud of what his descendents achieved.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

Perhpas you want to read the demographics of the so called Republic of Krajina between April 91 to July 92, where the Serb make up of the population increased fro 55% to 90%. what do you think, all the Croats went holidaying during that time?
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:22)

Why dont u look at the demographics of the rest of Croatia during that period and think of if those serbs that the croats ethnically cleansed from other parts of Croatia went?

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Daniel

Perhpas you want to read the demographics of the so called Republic of Krajina between April 91 to July 92, where the Serb make up of the population increased fro 55% to 90%. what do you think, all the Croats went holidaying during that time?

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all

Peggy

pre 10 godina

if you don't know what 'let us even say...' means then i can't possibly help you. bizarre to me though that you think people of the 90's should be judged by what their grandparents did in the 40's.
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 10:05)
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I know what it means. I have even used the exact saying myself but I think you had no choice but to use it here because in your case it was a back door admission. You didn't have a choice because you couldn't deny the past. So you used an expression which wasn't exactly a denial but also not exactly an admission.
I am not judging people of the 90s by what their predecessors did. I was just saying that the leopard doesn't chance his spots and the same Nazi allies have managed to keep the same hatred and violence against the Serbs alive and thriving in their grandchildren. So I am judging the people of the 90s by what they did but also acknowledging that their grandparents taught them well.

I don't see how I could be any clearer than this. I know it takes a lot of explaining to you because you don't seem to get the gist of it any other way.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?"

the ethnic cleansing of Croats that the so called Republic of Serbian Krajina carried out.but don't worry, i'm sure its all a blur to you. as for expelled serbs, i already said it, i pity the children because they are of course innocent, the adults who pillaged and raped croats with impunity, not even a tiny bit of sympathy for them.
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 10:18)

Of course its a blur what else could it be when there were no croats to cleanse in Krajina Before 1995 I should now better since I am from there dont you think?Your lies dont go home with me. And for your information it was the croats and the muslims that did all the pillaging and raping in Krajina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=599B7jlN23Y

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?"

the ethnic cleansing of Croats that the so called Republic of Serbian Krajina carried out.but don't worry, i'm sure its all a blur to you. as for expelled serbs, i already said it, i pity the children because they are of course innocent, the adults who pillaged and raped croats with impunity, not even a tiny bit of sympathy for them.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not."

if you don't know what 'let us even say...' means then i can't possibly help you. bizarre to me though that you think people of the 90's should be judged by what their grandparents did in the 40's.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Well, actually it's not the world, just the Nazis and their followers like your lot.
(Peggy, 16 October 2013 13:56)

In that case it should be even easier for heroic and macho Serbs who have always prevailed since the victorious 1389 battle...
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Yes, we know that Hague is an unbiased court.
(Peggy, 17 October 2013 11:32)

I concur here since that’s a court proposed by Russia, approved by Russia and with judges elected by Russia
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Well, when are those learned international judicial drunkards and buffoons going to prosecute the US pilots that murdered those innocent people they butchered in the streets of Bagdad which was only revealed by Julian Assange?
Any idea when that will happen????????Hmmmmmm?????
(sj, 17 October 2013 12:37)

I think that is a question that Serbia’s heroine Carla del Ponte would be more than happy to answer since it was her who decided not to prosecute the above
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At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not. Never thought there would be one Albanian admitting that here.
(Peggy, 17 October 2013 22:13)

Yep, unfortunately not everybody is like the Serbs.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

I'm well familiar with your narrative. basically it goes like this, Serbs wanted to separate from Krajina to avoid a WW2 tragedy occurring again. of course what you fail to mention, is that those Krjina Serbs went on to cleanse said region of all Croats. this does not even mention the pillaging and raping of Croat communities. when Croatia got a bit stronger and could defend itself, that's when even your бог had enough of your wining. if you want to dish it out, which is what Krajina Serbs wanted, they didn't want to share power they wanted to dominate Croatia, be prepared to take it as well. i pity the children of Krajian cause they are of course innocent and blameless, those who so eagerly took to arms and expelled and killed Croats, not a shred of sympathy for them. they had it coming
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 17:28)

You albanians wouldve liked us to get slaughtered by the croats again without defending ourselves. We know very well what you want and what they planned. And as a Krajina serb I can tell you that the number of croats in Krajina could be numbered on one hand, it was and had Always been 99,999% serbian population so what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?Why dont you mention the ethnic cleansing of 250 000 serbs.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

let us even say the Serbs were on the side of good, do we now judge the Serbs of of the 90's on what their grandparents did in the 1940's?
(Nikolle, 17 October 2013 15:06)
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Did you happen to read the last line?

Anyway, history repeats itself and it did again in the 90s. I don't care whether you agree with me or not and I am not interested in debating this point with you.
At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not. Never thought there would be one Albanian admitting that here.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Oh no, I don't think that at all, but have a guess as to who was on whose side back then?"

let us even say the Serbs were on the side of good, do we now judge the Serbs of of the 90's on what their grandparents did in the 1940's?

Peggy

pre 10 godina

".With theories like these, I'm surprised you don't think WW2 was acted out in movie studios. "
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Oh no, I don't think that at all, but have a guess as to who was on whose side back then?
You know what they say about the leopard.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

...what were the Albanians guilty of Peggy? we didn't elect Sloba, Serbs did. Its true that the Albanaisn took to guns, but then, I was not allowed to pursue my higher education in school bulidngs, I had to carry mine in private houses, because your authorities, banned Albanaisn from using public schools. its all true. there was a passive movement before thwe KLA, they were basically humored. bullets and blood sadly garnered attention. as for the organ allegations they remain just that, allegations. We're now into year 3 and Marty hasn't had the guts to charge anyone. basically the whole thing has become hot air, fodder for conspiracy theorists. but no no, we all know Croats, Bosnians, Albanians, the Vatican, Germany, the US, EU all conspired to pick on the peace loving Serbs.With theories like these, I'm surprised you don't think WW2 was acted out in movie studios. As for the Hague being biased, not really, they decided on the evidence presented to them, kinda like the Nuremburg trials. its not the fault of judges that most war criminals after the Nazis happen to be Serbs

sj

pre 10 godina

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 23:51)

Well, when are those learned international judicial drunkards and buffoons going to prosecute the US pilots that murdered those innocent people they butchered in the streets of Bagdad which was only revealed by Julian Assange?
Any idea when that will happen????????Hmmmmmm?????

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 23:51)
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Yes, we know that Hague is an unbiased court.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Of course, that's what the angelic Serbs ever wanted. they were blameless in Croatia, they were blameless in Bosnia, they were blameless in Kosova too. when its always others to blame, perhaps there's something wrong with you. but no i mustn't forget, you're called heavenly for nothing
(Nikolle, 17 October 2013 10:06)
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Stop making a fool of yourself. You know very well that we know were were not blameless just like your lot and other others were not blameless.
Nobody was blameless back then but Albanians have NEVER accepted any responsibility or said that they are to blame to anything.
Show me just one admission by your guys. Just one will do.
It is YOU who think you are blameless not us.

Huh??

pre 10 godina

"...Tito was a typical dictator and the British chose him over Draza and so people had to live with the consequences..."

The UK, the US, nor anyone else had any voice in who came to power in Yugoslavia after the withdrawal of Nazi forces......in areas where the Red Army occupied, Stalin himself dictated who would rule. A good book on the topic is "Six Months in 1945" by Michael Dobbs.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Milan

Of course, that's what the angelic Serbs ever wanted. they were blameless in Croatia, they were blameless in Bosnia, they were blameless in Kosova too. when its always others to blame, perhaps there's something wrong with you. but no i mustn't forget, you're called heavenly for nothing

Milan

pre 10 godina

TP,

The Croats in Bleiburg you are probably referring to had most likely good reasons to get out of Yugoslavia. Obviously there was no future for them after all they had committed. Tito was a typical dictator and the British chose him over Draza and so people had to live with the consequences. Tito fought against Serbia in WWI and so not good could be expected of this thug. Any Ustasha who got what he or she deserved is not worth thinking of and I hope they still suffer in hell where they belonged. Of course there were enough Croats who hated the Ustasha and the Germans and the Communists and who had nothing against the Serbs. Unfortunately their numbers were too low to make an impact, but they should be admired and deserve no blame whatsoever. It were the Ottomans, the Austrians and the Germans who created the Balkan nationalism and until the day when Balkan people start relying on outsiders who have their own agendas and who only care about their benefits the Balkan people will be doomed and will have many generations who will be miserable and who do not reach their full potential and use their talents for the good of the land they live on and for the people they are related to.

Milan

pre 10 godina

Nikolle,

You forgot take take into account the facts that before Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia a government-organized campaign of discrimination against Serbs had started (turning them into second-class citizens). In addition, increasinglu numbers of attacks from Croat nationalist against Serbs with the sole aim of creating a Serb response were taking place. It is still 100% understandable that the Krajina Serbs did not want to have anything to do with the nationalistic, Ustasha-oriented government in Zagreb. Once Milosevic withdrew the JNA from Krajina and after German and US support and encouragement the Croats were finally ready to finish what their ancestors failed to do: create a Serb-free Croatia, a model EU state and Germany's darling. Serbs were never interested to dominate Croatia. They just wanted to live free in their homeland that they defended against the Ottomans. All that helped you was to know whose boots to lick and having no shame.

Grobar1

pre 10 godina

@ mirel from albania please don't tell us anything we don't want to hear anything from you albos you never have anything positive to say you come here on a Serbian site and spew your garbage just worry about your talibania and not Serbia or her affairs. ..

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"In your very biased opinion."

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

@Peggy

well, now that you're using phrases like YOUR LOT, I'd say your lot gave the Nazis close competition in the war criminals produced list. your lot is well clear in second place, after the Nazis
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 15:24)
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In your very biased opinion.

What about YOUR LOT the organ snatchers?

TP

pre 10 godina

Milan, you said:

'After WWII T(i)to and his communist cronies forced the Serbs to forget their suffering and did not punish his own Croats (of course only the ones who had joined the Ustasha and the Nazis).'

What should Tito have done to those ordinary Croats who did not openly support the Ustashe? As an Englishman I am ashamed of the fact that the British Army in Austria handed over Ustashe soldiers to the Partizans, knowing that they might be executed. And as much as I admired Tito, his forces should not have killed them all but investigated those who did commit atrocities. The war was finished there and they would have had the time to do so. The same was true for the ethnic German populations in Yugoslavia who were almost entirely purged from the country except for those who had married other ethnic groups in Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia was not just some novel experiment that failed, it was an essential move to ensure that outside imperial forces would never again find it so easy to move and and exploit the region as they are doing again today. Most Yugoslavs are ethnically the same, linguistically identical, apart from Slovenes and Macedonians who are still very similar, and they are culturally so close as to make little difference between them. In fact, they are less different than north and south Germans, English or Italians, etc, and they all damn well know it, even though some fearfully and naively try to deny it.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...In the end it was destined to fail and at that time the peace-loving EU should have impartially mediated to find a fair solution without war. Separation of the ethnic groups into sustainable new countries would have been possible and would have prevented much bloodshed and new pain. (Milan, 16 October 2013 16:33) ...

Fair solution without war was creating Slovenia,Croatia,Boania as a republic and Kosova.Serbia still would have had what its has today and possible Montenegro.

But serbs didnt like any solutions from EU-USA.Remember USA and EU were asking just for authonomy of Kosovo within YU until 1999.Serbs throw away a peace plan in Boania which even Russia and Greece was OK.This plan would have made Bosnia a funcional state.Serbs disregard the Z4 plan on Croatia, a very fair plan.
But no even this solutions was not enough for serbs.
If serbs would have agreed with the EU-USA plans they should have avoided 4 wars,keep serbs in Krahina,have Kosovo under their sovregnity and have a good presence in Bosnia gonverment.
Anyway serbs didnt like anything they wanted war and they lost Kosovo,Krahina billion of $, hundreds of thousands of lifes, and the only victory was RS.

I think with the deals offered by West ,if serbian were smart they would have won more than today plus become EU member even before Croatia.

Just because u weren't smart enough to agree on delas on Z4,Boania and give Kosovo its authonomy back,is not West' fault,but its yours.

Milan

pre 10 godina

"@Milan If you Yugoslavs turned Serbs in 1990 would just admit what your country did was wrong in the 90's then just maybe reconciliation could occur. No country in the world would allow a minority group to form its own government within a country. If calling us Ustase is the best defence the Serbs have in regards to the lawsuit then they have nothing. The Serbs need to understand that they aren't the masters anymore. Tito has been eaten by cockroaches and Draza's bones were most likely fed to village pigs. Nikolic needs to pay for Slobo's sins with an open check book.
(scoobie, 16 October 2013 15:22)"

"Scoobie",

A part of the Croatian population still worships the Ustasha and what they stood for and they deny vigorously the blood on their ancestors' hands. You know well that Serbia has much more to support the genocide lawsuit than calling you so name. To my best knowledge Serbia has apologized but for the other ethnic groups this has been a much harder task. Shame and pressure from Germany and the US to avoid admitting guilt are the two main reasons. Croatia can go to Brussels or Berlin to beg for money and I do not see any reason why Serbia would pay anything to Croatia. By the way, did you check out the Google Images photos? Makes your stomach turn around and want to throw up, don't they? I am sure you think it was and is OK because it were just Serbs being butchered and it was all done in the name of the (in)glorious Croatian fatherland and the Catholic Church.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Milan

I'm well familiar with your narrative. basically it goes like this, Serbs wanted to separate from Krajina to avoid a WW2 tragedy occurring again. of course what you fail to mention, is that those Krjina Serbs went on to cleanse said region of all Croats. this does not even mention the pillaging and raping of Croat communities. when Croatia got a bit stronger and could defend itself, that's when even your бог had enough of your wining. if you want to dish it out, which is what Krajina Serbs wanted, they didn't want to share power they wanted to dominate Croatia, be prepared to take it as well. i pity the children of Krajian cause they are of course innocent and blameless, those who so eagerly took to arms and expelled and killed Croats, not a shred of sympathy for them. they had it coming

Milan

pre 10 godina

"@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 13:34)"

Nikolle,

I will never say that all Serbs were, are, or will be angels. What happened to many ordinary Serbs in WWII at the hands of the Nazis and their local allies/henchmen was probably the worst of all of WWII, together with the Chinese and occupied areas of the Soviet Union. After WWII Toto and his communist cronies forced the Serbs to forget their suffering and did not punish his own Croats (of course only the ones who had joined the Ustasha and the Nazis). Croats obviously have learned very little of their past. It is time that people at the Balkan deal with their problems and that outsiders stop interfering and stop favoring one group or the other. Yugoslavia was a nice idea and it even worked at a certain level. In the end it was destined to fail and at that time the peace-loving EU should have impartially mediated to find a fair solution without war. Separation of the ethnic groups into sustainable new countries would have been possible and would have prevented much bloodshed and new pain. All the innocent Serbs that died in vain cannot be forgotten. It would be a shame on Serbia if Croatia got away with things so easy again.

scoobie

pre 10 godina

@Milan If you Yugoslavs turned Serbs in 1990 would just admit what your country did was wrong in the 90's then just maybe reconciliation could occur. No country in the world would allow a minority group to form its own government within a country. If calling us Ustase is the best defence the Serbs have in regards to the lawsuit then they have nothing. The Serbs need to understand that they aren't the masters anymore. Tito has been eaten by cockroaches and Draza's bones were most likely fed to village pigs. Nikolic needs to pay for Slobo's sins with an open check book.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Peggy

well, now that you're using phrases like YOUR LOT, I'd say your lot gave the Nazis close competition in the war criminals produced list. your lot is well clear in second place, after the Nazis

Peggy

pre 10 godina

. Each and every one of them (politicians) can rot as far as I'm concerned.
(bganon, 16 October 2013 11:37)
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Amen to that. Politicians are the same world over. It takes a special kind of a person to be a successful politician. Not many patriots have made it.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing

Peggy

pre 10 godina

@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 13:34)
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Well, actually it's not the world, just the Nazis and their followers like your lot.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

If Serbia withdraws from this lawsuit then they really don't care what happens to Serbs.
Serbs were targeted in WW1 and then in WW2 and to date nobody has paid the price for it.
Now Serbs were targeted again and as usual nobody cares about extermination of Serbs.
Looks like every few decades it's open season on Serbs with full immunity.

bganon

pre 10 godina

This is all a charade - if we have learned anything at all from recent political events in Croatia and Serbia, we know that neither elite believes in anything and that they never did.

All the rest is political posturing and encouraging that only makes those elites laugh and rejoice at the control they have over people. Each and every one of them (politicians) can rot as far as I'm concerned.

Milan

pre 10 godina

"Scoobie",

I understand it is hard for uneducated people like yourself to get facts straight. Croatia did not become a UN member until May 22, 1995.

"The Republic of Croatia was admitted as a Member of the United Nations by General Assembly resolution A/RES/46/238 of 22 May 1992."

http://www.un.org/en/members/growth.shtml

So your claim that Serbia invaded a UN country is bogus. For your information, Yugoslavia sent the JNA to deal with a separatist republic. The Krajina Serbs had all rights to fear the Ustasha-like Croatian government. Check Google Images for "Ustasha" and you will be convinced that they were right and how disgusting it is that Germany still supported these thugs. Milosevic betrayed the Krajina Serbs and thanks to the political kangaroo court in The Hague few Croats and Albanians have been convicted convicted for Operation Storm. Serbia should never ever withdraw the real genocide lawsuit against Croatia, even at the expense of EU membership. Croatia's false lawsuit will fail and it will be a chance for the world to see the real foundation of Croatia, a sick and shameless black hole that should rot in hell where it belongs. What Montenegro did to Dubrovnik was stupid, but not that big and serious that Croatian companies deserve privileges to have a guilty mind paid off.

Navi

pre 10 godina

Look at all these trolls supporting genocidal Croatia. Not only does Croatia need to apologize to Serbia for genocide, they need to pay reparations to all families of victims who were killed in Jasenovac and in Storm. Croats are the most racist people in the Balkans. No wonder weak Albanian wannabees want to be like them.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...@ mirel from talibania so why don't you mind your own business. ..
(Grobar1, 15 October 2013 18:55)...

I have told before in this forum that I am Orthodox Christian.In the other words when my ancesters were christian yours were somewhere in Russia.
Secondly,albanian orthodoxs are on the top of the Albanian cause from the renaissance until today.

Thirdly,Albnaina is a secular state and nobody cares about the religion.Probably the first country in the world with the highest rate of mix marriages.
Serbia on the other end is a religious state where the patriarc has more power than the president.
And whet I said about Croatia I believe that they are doing the roght thing when they are dealing with you.

sj

pre 10 godina

I’ll tell you why the Croats will withdraw their so called lawsuit. If they don’t then no trading with Serbia.
It has taken a long time to show what I have been posting since 2008, in that Croatia is a mirage of a country - it’s financially unsustainable. Initially its budget shortfall was met by Brussels, much like Slovenia’s situation, but as the GFC continued to bite the EU then forced both countries to eat into their proceeds from the breakup of Yugo and today both Slovenia and Croatia are technically broke.
So for all those who screamed for years that Croatia and Slovenia paid for Serbia’s existence that pie has hit them in the face and they look like fools. Despite Serbia suffering the worst sanctions in history together with a collapse of its economy it is in a far better position than Slovenia or Croatia.
Slovenia’s bonds are now considered Junk status while Croatia has to have a fire sale of all it assets just to pay the interest on its loans.

good stuff yall

pre 10 godina

Congratulaion Croatia in you struggle for rescpect and dignity!

Hope Kosovo follows you example!
(Mirel from Albania, 15 October 2013 16:08)

LOL. That's the funniest f-n' thing I ever read. Croatia, respect and dignity, all in the same sentence.

2XLOL. I just realized, the sentence below it is even funnier.

Bridge

pre 10 godina

Croatia should block serbia's EU path, until they bow down. They bow down to their masters in kremlin so croatia shouldn't be a problem.

TP

pre 10 godina

Read the following passage then refer back to the posts by 'Lenard. and 'Scoobie'.

'Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.'

The above passage is identical in the posts submitted by 'Lenard' and 'Scoobie'.

This suggests that either they are the same person or that they might be paid trolls working from the same basic script.

don't mess with Texas!!!!!!

pre 10 godina

Lookit these here two old yella Nazi and Ottoman brothers in arms and blood drinking, trying to throw egg on Serbia's face while the Good Lord is watching.
Bearing false witness is a sin and not to do so is one of the Lord's commandments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA8-ZOuKetU

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

Only Croatia knows how to handle bulling from Serbia.
I really admire croats for this,otherwise they would end up like Boania or Russia would have ban Miss Croatia to attend a beauty pageant.

Congratulaion Croatia in you struggle for rescpect and dignity!

Hope Kosovo follows you example!

Mike Canada

pre 10 godina

First off It was Yugoslavia and Croatia was not a sovereign at the time. It was still legally part of Yugoslavia... Civil war. Second they should both withdraw the suits at the same time. Problem solved.

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.
(scoobie, 15 October 2013 12:46) So rite instead this is what the region gets from Serbia more theiving BS http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property .

scoobie

pre 10 godina

Why would Croatia witdraw its lawsuit. Serbia invaded an international recognised country without U.N security counsel approval and created over a million refugees with property destruction estimated in the billions.Milosevic's failed policies now needs to be paid in full not just in Croatia but also in BiH and Kosova. The lawsuit in question is between 1991-95. We need to compare Vukovar and Knin. 99% of Vukovar was destroyed by unshaven irregulars and the JNA while Knin suffered at most about 12 homes which were burnt due to HV mortars missing there mark. The whole world gave Croatia the green light to return occupied territory and praised Operation Storm. Not one soldier was convicted by the Hague because the professionalsm shown by the HV brigades. The Serb army could learn a thing or to about respecting the customs of war. Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.

scoobie

pre 10 godina

Why would Croatia witdraw its lawsuit. Serbia invaded an international recognised country without U.N security counsel approval and created over a million refugees with property destruction estimated in the billions.Milosevic's failed policies now needs to be paid in full not just in Croatia but also in BiH and Kosova. The lawsuit in question is between 1991-95. We need to compare Vukovar and Knin. 99% of Vukovar was destroyed by unshaven irregulars and the JNA while Knin suffered at most about 12 homes which were burnt due to HV mortars missing there mark. The whole world gave Croatia the green light to return occupied territory and praised Operation Storm. Not one soldier was convicted by the Hague because the professionalsm shown by the HV brigades. The Serb army could learn a thing or to about respecting the customs of war. Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.
(scoobie, 15 October 2013 12:46) So rite instead this is what the region gets from Serbia more theiving BS http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property .

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

Only Croatia knows how to handle bulling from Serbia.
I really admire croats for this,otherwise they would end up like Boania or Russia would have ban Miss Croatia to attend a beauty pageant.

Congratulaion Croatia in you struggle for rescpect and dignity!

Hope Kosovo follows you example!

Mike Canada

pre 10 godina

First off It was Yugoslavia and Croatia was not a sovereign at the time. It was still legally part of Yugoslavia... Civil war. Second they should both withdraw the suits at the same time. Problem solved.

good stuff yall

pre 10 godina

Congratulaion Croatia in you struggle for rescpect and dignity!

Hope Kosovo follows you example!
(Mirel from Albania, 15 October 2013 16:08)

LOL. That's the funniest f-n' thing I ever read. Croatia, respect and dignity, all in the same sentence.

2XLOL. I just realized, the sentence below it is even funnier.

TP

pre 10 godina

Read the following passage then refer back to the posts by 'Lenard. and 'Scoobie'.

'Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.'

The above passage is identical in the posts submitted by 'Lenard' and 'Scoobie'.

This suggests that either they are the same person or that they might be paid trolls working from the same basic script.

don't mess with Texas!!!!!!

pre 10 godina

Lookit these here two old yella Nazi and Ottoman brothers in arms and blood drinking, trying to throw egg on Serbia's face while the Good Lord is watching.
Bearing false witness is a sin and not to do so is one of the Lord's commandments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA8-ZOuKetU

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...@ mirel from talibania so why don't you mind your own business. ..
(Grobar1, 15 October 2013 18:55)...

I have told before in this forum that I am Orthodox Christian.In the other words when my ancesters were christian yours were somewhere in Russia.
Secondly,albanian orthodoxs are on the top of the Albanian cause from the renaissance until today.

Thirdly,Albnaina is a secular state and nobody cares about the religion.Probably the first country in the world with the highest rate of mix marriages.
Serbia on the other end is a religious state where the patriarc has more power than the president.
And whet I said about Croatia I believe that they are doing the roght thing when they are dealing with you.

Navi

pre 10 godina

Look at all these trolls supporting genocidal Croatia. Not only does Croatia need to apologize to Serbia for genocide, they need to pay reparations to all families of victims who were killed in Jasenovac and in Storm. Croats are the most racist people in the Balkans. No wonder weak Albanian wannabees want to be like them.

Milan

pre 10 godina

"Scoobie",

I understand it is hard for uneducated people like yourself to get facts straight. Croatia did not become a UN member until May 22, 1995.

"The Republic of Croatia was admitted as a Member of the United Nations by General Assembly resolution A/RES/46/238 of 22 May 1992."

http://www.un.org/en/members/growth.shtml

So your claim that Serbia invaded a UN country is bogus. For your information, Yugoslavia sent the JNA to deal with a separatist republic. The Krajina Serbs had all rights to fear the Ustasha-like Croatian government. Check Google Images for "Ustasha" and you will be convinced that they were right and how disgusting it is that Germany still supported these thugs. Milosevic betrayed the Krajina Serbs and thanks to the political kangaroo court in The Hague few Croats and Albanians have been convicted convicted for Operation Storm. Serbia should never ever withdraw the real genocide lawsuit against Croatia, even at the expense of EU membership. Croatia's false lawsuit will fail and it will be a chance for the world to see the real foundation of Croatia, a sick and shameless black hole that should rot in hell where it belongs. What Montenegro did to Dubrovnik was stupid, but not that big and serious that Croatian companies deserve privileges to have a guilty mind paid off.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

If Serbia withdraws from this lawsuit then they really don't care what happens to Serbs.
Serbs were targeted in WW1 and then in WW2 and to date nobody has paid the price for it.
Now Serbs were targeted again and as usual nobody cares about extermination of Serbs.
Looks like every few decades it's open season on Serbs with full immunity.

bganon

pre 10 godina

This is all a charade - if we have learned anything at all from recent political events in Croatia and Serbia, we know that neither elite believes in anything and that they never did.

All the rest is political posturing and encouraging that only makes those elites laugh and rejoice at the control they have over people. Each and every one of them (politicians) can rot as far as I'm concerned.

Bridge

pre 10 godina

Croatia should block serbia's EU path, until they bow down. They bow down to their masters in kremlin so croatia shouldn't be a problem.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 13:34)
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Well, actually it's not the world, just the Nazis and their followers like your lot.

scoobie

pre 10 godina

@Milan If you Yugoslavs turned Serbs in 1990 would just admit what your country did was wrong in the 90's then just maybe reconciliation could occur. No country in the world would allow a minority group to form its own government within a country. If calling us Ustase is the best defence the Serbs have in regards to the lawsuit then they have nothing. The Serbs need to understand that they aren't the masters anymore. Tito has been eaten by cockroaches and Draza's bones were most likely fed to village pigs. Nikolic needs to pay for Slobo's sins with an open check book.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Peggy

well, now that you're using phrases like YOUR LOT, I'd say your lot gave the Nazis close competition in the war criminals produced list. your lot is well clear in second place, after the Nazis

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

...what were the Albanians guilty of Peggy? we didn't elect Sloba, Serbs did. Its true that the Albanaisn took to guns, but then, I was not allowed to pursue my higher education in school bulidngs, I had to carry mine in private houses, because your authorities, banned Albanaisn from using public schools. its all true. there was a passive movement before thwe KLA, they were basically humored. bullets and blood sadly garnered attention. as for the organ allegations they remain just that, allegations. We're now into year 3 and Marty hasn't had the guts to charge anyone. basically the whole thing has become hot air, fodder for conspiracy theorists. but no no, we all know Croats, Bosnians, Albanians, the Vatican, Germany, the US, EU all conspired to pick on the peace loving Serbs.With theories like these, I'm surprised you don't think WW2 was acted out in movie studios. As for the Hague being biased, not really, they decided on the evidence presented to them, kinda like the Nuremburg trials. its not the fault of judges that most war criminals after the Nazis happen to be Serbs

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing

Milan

pre 10 godina

"@Milan If you Yugoslavs turned Serbs in 1990 would just admit what your country did was wrong in the 90's then just maybe reconciliation could occur. No country in the world would allow a minority group to form its own government within a country. If calling us Ustase is the best defence the Serbs have in regards to the lawsuit then they have nothing. The Serbs need to understand that they aren't the masters anymore. Tito has been eaten by cockroaches and Draza's bones were most likely fed to village pigs. Nikolic needs to pay for Slobo's sins with an open check book.
(scoobie, 16 October 2013 15:22)"

"Scoobie",

A part of the Croatian population still worships the Ustasha and what they stood for and they deny vigorously the blood on their ancestors' hands. You know well that Serbia has much more to support the genocide lawsuit than calling you so name. To my best knowledge Serbia has apologized but for the other ethnic groups this has been a much harder task. Shame and pressure from Germany and the US to avoid admitting guilt are the two main reasons. Croatia can go to Brussels or Berlin to beg for money and I do not see any reason why Serbia would pay anything to Croatia. By the way, did you check out the Google Images photos? Makes your stomach turn around and want to throw up, don't they? I am sure you think it was and is OK because it were just Serbs being butchered and it was all done in the name of the (in)glorious Croatian fatherland and the Catholic Church.

sj

pre 10 godina

I’ll tell you why the Croats will withdraw their so called lawsuit. If they don’t then no trading with Serbia.
It has taken a long time to show what I have been posting since 2008, in that Croatia is a mirage of a country - it’s financially unsustainable. Initially its budget shortfall was met by Brussels, much like Slovenia’s situation, but as the GFC continued to bite the EU then forced both countries to eat into their proceeds from the breakup of Yugo and today both Slovenia and Croatia are technically broke.
So for all those who screamed for years that Croatia and Slovenia paid for Serbia’s existence that pie has hit them in the face and they look like fools. Despite Serbia suffering the worst sanctions in history together with a collapse of its economy it is in a far better position than Slovenia or Croatia.
Slovenia’s bonds are now considered Junk status while Croatia has to have a fire sale of all it assets just to pay the interest on its loans.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

. Each and every one of them (politicians) can rot as far as I'm concerned.
(bganon, 16 October 2013 11:37)
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Amen to that. Politicians are the same world over. It takes a special kind of a person to be a successful politician. Not many patriots have made it.

Milan

pre 10 godina

"@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 13:34)"

Nikolle,

I will never say that all Serbs were, are, or will be angels. What happened to many ordinary Serbs in WWII at the hands of the Nazis and their local allies/henchmen was probably the worst of all of WWII, together with the Chinese and occupied areas of the Soviet Union. After WWII Toto and his communist cronies forced the Serbs to forget their suffering and did not punish his own Croats (of course only the ones who had joined the Ustasha and the Nazis). Croats obviously have learned very little of their past. It is time that people at the Balkan deal with their problems and that outsiders stop interfering and stop favoring one group or the other. Yugoslavia was a nice idea and it even worked at a certain level. In the end it was destined to fail and at that time the peace-loving EU should have impartially mediated to find a fair solution without war. Separation of the ethnic groups into sustainable new countries would have been possible and would have prevented much bloodshed and new pain. All the innocent Serbs that died in vain cannot be forgotten. It would be a shame on Serbia if Croatia got away with things so easy again.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Milan

I'm well familiar with your narrative. basically it goes like this, Serbs wanted to separate from Krajina to avoid a WW2 tragedy occurring again. of course what you fail to mention, is that those Krjina Serbs went on to cleanse said region of all Croats. this does not even mention the pillaging and raping of Croat communities. when Croatia got a bit stronger and could defend itself, that's when even your бог had enough of your wining. if you want to dish it out, which is what Krajina Serbs wanted, they didn't want to share power they wanted to dominate Croatia, be prepared to take it as well. i pity the children of Krajian cause they are of course innocent and blameless, those who so eagerly took to arms and expelled and killed Croats, not a shred of sympathy for them. they had it coming

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...In the end it was destined to fail and at that time the peace-loving EU should have impartially mediated to find a fair solution without war. Separation of the ethnic groups into sustainable new countries would have been possible and would have prevented much bloodshed and new pain. (Milan, 16 October 2013 16:33) ...

Fair solution without war was creating Slovenia,Croatia,Boania as a republic and Kosova.Serbia still would have had what its has today and possible Montenegro.

But serbs didnt like any solutions from EU-USA.Remember USA and EU were asking just for authonomy of Kosovo within YU until 1999.Serbs throw away a peace plan in Boania which even Russia and Greece was OK.This plan would have made Bosnia a funcional state.Serbs disregard the Z4 plan on Croatia, a very fair plan.
But no even this solutions was not enough for serbs.
If serbs would have agreed with the EU-USA plans they should have avoided 4 wars,keep serbs in Krahina,have Kosovo under their sovregnity and have a good presence in Bosnia gonverment.
Anyway serbs didnt like anything they wanted war and they lost Kosovo,Krahina billion of $, hundreds of thousands of lifes, and the only victory was RS.

I think with the deals offered by West ,if serbian were smart they would have won more than today plus become EU member even before Croatia.

Just because u weren't smart enough to agree on delas on Z4,Boania and give Kosovo its authonomy back,is not West' fault,but its yours.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

@Peggy

well, now that you're using phrases like YOUR LOT, I'd say your lot gave the Nazis close competition in the war criminals produced list. your lot is well clear in second place, after the Nazis
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 15:24)
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In your very biased opinion.

What about YOUR LOT the organ snatchers?

Grobar1

pre 10 godina

@ mirel from albania please don't tell us anything we don't want to hear anything from you albos you never have anything positive to say you come here on a Serbian site and spew your garbage just worry about your talibania and not Serbia or her affairs. ..

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Milan

Of course, that's what the angelic Serbs ever wanted. they were blameless in Croatia, they were blameless in Bosnia, they were blameless in Kosova too. when its always others to blame, perhaps there's something wrong with you. but no i mustn't forget, you're called heavenly for nothing

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Of course, that's what the angelic Serbs ever wanted. they were blameless in Croatia, they were blameless in Bosnia, they were blameless in Kosova too. when its always others to blame, perhaps there's something wrong with you. but no i mustn't forget, you're called heavenly for nothing
(Nikolle, 17 October 2013 10:06)
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Stop making a fool of yourself. You know very well that we know were were not blameless just like your lot and other others were not blameless.
Nobody was blameless back then but Albanians have NEVER accepted any responsibility or said that they are to blame to anything.
Show me just one admission by your guys. Just one will do.
It is YOU who think you are blameless not us.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 23:51)
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Yes, we know that Hague is an unbiased court.

sj

pre 10 godina

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 23:51)

Well, when are those learned international judicial drunkards and buffoons going to prosecute the US pilots that murdered those innocent people they butchered in the streets of Bagdad which was only revealed by Julian Assange?
Any idea when that will happen????????Hmmmmmm?????

TP

pre 10 godina

Milan, you said:

'After WWII T(i)to and his communist cronies forced the Serbs to forget their suffering and did not punish his own Croats (of course only the ones who had joined the Ustasha and the Nazis).'

What should Tito have done to those ordinary Croats who did not openly support the Ustashe? As an Englishman I am ashamed of the fact that the British Army in Austria handed over Ustashe soldiers to the Partizans, knowing that they might be executed. And as much as I admired Tito, his forces should not have killed them all but investigated those who did commit atrocities. The war was finished there and they would have had the time to do so. The same was true for the ethnic German populations in Yugoslavia who were almost entirely purged from the country except for those who had married other ethnic groups in Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia was not just some novel experiment that failed, it was an essential move to ensure that outside imperial forces would never again find it so easy to move and and exploit the region as they are doing again today. Most Yugoslavs are ethnically the same, linguistically identical, apart from Slovenes and Macedonians who are still very similar, and they are culturally so close as to make little difference between them. In fact, they are less different than north and south Germans, English or Italians, etc, and they all damn well know it, even though some fearfully and naively try to deny it.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"In your very biased opinion."

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.

Milan

pre 10 godina

Nikolle,

You forgot take take into account the facts that before Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia a government-organized campaign of discrimination against Serbs had started (turning them into second-class citizens). In addition, increasinglu numbers of attacks from Croat nationalist against Serbs with the sole aim of creating a Serb response were taking place. It is still 100% understandable that the Krajina Serbs did not want to have anything to do with the nationalistic, Ustasha-oriented government in Zagreb. Once Milosevic withdrew the JNA from Krajina and after German and US support and encouragement the Croats were finally ready to finish what their ancestors failed to do: create a Serb-free Croatia, a model EU state and Germany's darling. Serbs were never interested to dominate Croatia. They just wanted to live free in their homeland that they defended against the Ottomans. All that helped you was to know whose boots to lick and having no shame.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

".With theories like these, I'm surprised you don't think WW2 was acted out in movie studios. "
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Oh no, I don't think that at all, but have a guess as to who was on whose side back then?
You know what they say about the leopard.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Oh no, I don't think that at all, but have a guess as to who was on whose side back then?"

let us even say the Serbs were on the side of good, do we now judge the Serbs of of the 90's on what their grandparents did in the 1940's?

Peggy

pre 10 godina

let us even say the Serbs were on the side of good, do we now judge the Serbs of of the 90's on what their grandparents did in the 1940's?
(Nikolle, 17 October 2013 15:06)
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Did you happen to read the last line?

Anyway, history repeats itself and it did again in the 90s. I don't care whether you agree with me or not and I am not interested in debating this point with you.
At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not. Never thought there would be one Albanian admitting that here.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

I'm well familiar with your narrative. basically it goes like this, Serbs wanted to separate from Krajina to avoid a WW2 tragedy occurring again. of course what you fail to mention, is that those Krjina Serbs went on to cleanse said region of all Croats. this does not even mention the pillaging and raping of Croat communities. when Croatia got a bit stronger and could defend itself, that's when even your бог had enough of your wining. if you want to dish it out, which is what Krajina Serbs wanted, they didn't want to share power they wanted to dominate Croatia, be prepared to take it as well. i pity the children of Krajian cause they are of course innocent and blameless, those who so eagerly took to arms and expelled and killed Croats, not a shred of sympathy for them. they had it coming
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 17:28)

You albanians wouldve liked us to get slaughtered by the croats again without defending ourselves. We know very well what you want and what they planned. And as a Krajina serb I can tell you that the number of croats in Krajina could be numbered on one hand, it was and had Always been 99,999% serbian population so what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?Why dont you mention the ethnic cleansing of 250 000 serbs.

Milan

pre 10 godina

TP,

The Croats in Bleiburg you are probably referring to had most likely good reasons to get out of Yugoslavia. Obviously there was no future for them after all they had committed. Tito was a typical dictator and the British chose him over Draza and so people had to live with the consequences. Tito fought against Serbia in WWI and so not good could be expected of this thug. Any Ustasha who got what he or she deserved is not worth thinking of and I hope they still suffer in hell where they belonged. Of course there were enough Croats who hated the Ustasha and the Germans and the Communists and who had nothing against the Serbs. Unfortunately their numbers were too low to make an impact, but they should be admired and deserve no blame whatsoever. It were the Ottomans, the Austrians and the Germans who created the Balkan nationalism and until the day when Balkan people start relying on outsiders who have their own agendas and who only care about their benefits the Balkan people will be doomed and will have many generations who will be miserable and who do not reach their full potential and use their talents for the good of the land they live on and for the people they are related to.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not."

if you don't know what 'let us even say...' means then i can't possibly help you. bizarre to me though that you think people of the 90's should be judged by what their grandparents did in the 40's.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?"

the ethnic cleansing of Croats that the so called Republic of Serbian Krajina carried out.but don't worry, i'm sure its all a blur to you. as for expelled serbs, i already said it, i pity the children because they are of course innocent, the adults who pillaged and raped croats with impunity, not even a tiny bit of sympathy for them.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Daniel

Perhpas you want to read the demographics of the so called Republic of Krajina between April 91 to July 92, where the Serb make up of the population increased fro 55% to 90%. what do you think, all the Croats went holidaying during that time?

Huh??

pre 10 godina

"...Tito was a typical dictator and the British chose him over Draza and so people had to live with the consequences..."

The UK, the US, nor anyone else had any voice in who came to power in Yugoslavia after the withdrawal of Nazi forces......in areas where the Red Army occupied, Stalin himself dictated who would rule. A good book on the topic is "Six Months in 1945" by Michael Dobbs.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

if you don't know what 'let us even say...' means then i can't possibly help you. bizarre to me though that you think people of the 90's should be judged by what their grandparents did in the 40's.
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 10:05)
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I know what it means. I have even used the exact saying myself but I think you had no choice but to use it here because in your case it was a back door admission. You didn't have a choice because you couldn't deny the past. So you used an expression which wasn't exactly a denial but also not exactly an admission.
I am not judging people of the 90s by what their predecessors did. I was just saying that the leopard doesn't chance his spots and the same Nazi allies have managed to keep the same hatred and violence against the Serbs alive and thriving in their grandchildren. So I am judging the people of the 90s by what they did but also acknowledging that their grandparents taught them well.

I don't see how I could be any clearer than this. I know it takes a lot of explaining to you because you don't seem to get the gist of it any other way.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

Perhpas you want to read the demographics of the so called Republic of Krajina between April 91 to July 92, where the Serb make up of the population increased fro 55% to 90%. what do you think, all the Croats went holidaying during that time?
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:22)

Why dont u look at the demographics of the rest of Croatia during that period and think of if those serbs that the croats ethnically cleansed from other parts of Croatia went?

icj1

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:19)

The above is more than normal considering that Serbs were avenging in Kosovo in 1999 the 1389 heroes' blood!

Huh??

pre 10 godina

"We all know exactly who were were fighting."

Throwing out little bits of wisdom from your computer in Australia does not constitute "fighting". Let's hear from he people that actually fought....what do they have to say.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Well, actually it's not the world, just the Nazis and their followers like your lot.
(Peggy, 16 October 2013 13:56)

In that case it should be even easier for heroic and macho Serbs who have always prevailed since the victorious 1389 battle...
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Yes, we know that Hague is an unbiased court.
(Peggy, 17 October 2013 11:32)

I concur here since that’s a court proposed by Russia, approved by Russia and with judges elected by Russia
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Well, when are those learned international judicial drunkards and buffoons going to prosecute the US pilots that murdered those innocent people they butchered in the streets of Bagdad which was only revealed by Julian Assange?
Any idea when that will happen????????Hmmmmmm?????
(sj, 17 October 2013 12:37)

I think that is a question that Serbia’s heroine Carla del Ponte would be more than happy to answer since it was her who decided not to prosecute the above
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At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not. Never thought there would be one Albanian admitting that here.
(Peggy, 17 October 2013 22:13)

Yep, unfortunately not everybody is like the Serbs.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?"

the ethnic cleansing of Croats that the so called Republic of Serbian Krajina carried out.but don't worry, i'm sure its all a blur to you. as for expelled serbs, i already said it, i pity the children because they are of course innocent, the adults who pillaged and raped croats with impunity, not even a tiny bit of sympathy for them.
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 10:18)

Of course its a blur what else could it be when there were no croats to cleanse in Krajina Before 1995 I should now better since I am from there dont you think?Your lies dont go home with me. And for your information it was the croats and the muslims that did all the pillaging and raping in Krajina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=599B7jlN23Y

Peggy

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:19)
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We all know exactly who were were fighting.
What do you think the return of the same old symbols, songs and hate means?
Grandpa would be proud of what his descendents achieved.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Throwing out little bits of wisdom from your computer in Australia does not constitute "fighting". Let's hear from he people that actually fought....what do they have to say.
(Huh??, 19 October 2013 11:54)
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I have heard fro them. You don't think we have those people here in Australia?

scoobie

pre 10 godina

Why would Croatia witdraw its lawsuit. Serbia invaded an international recognised country without U.N security counsel approval and created over a million refugees with property destruction estimated in the billions.Milosevic's failed policies now needs to be paid in full not just in Croatia but also in BiH and Kosova. The lawsuit in question is between 1991-95. We need to compare Vukovar and Knin. 99% of Vukovar was destroyed by unshaven irregulars and the JNA while Knin suffered at most about 12 homes which were burnt due to HV mortars missing there mark. The whole world gave Croatia the green light to return occupied territory and praised Operation Storm. Not one soldier was convicted by the Hague because the professionalsm shown by the HV brigades. The Serb army could learn a thing or to about respecting the customs of war. Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.
(scoobie, 15 October 2013 12:46) So rite instead this is what the region gets from Serbia more theiving BS http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property .

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

Only Croatia knows how to handle bulling from Serbia.
I really admire croats for this,otherwise they would end up like Boania or Russia would have ban Miss Croatia to attend a beauty pageant.

Congratulaion Croatia in you struggle for rescpect and dignity!

Hope Kosovo follows you example!

Mike Canada

pre 10 godina

First off It was Yugoslavia and Croatia was not a sovereign at the time. It was still legally part of Yugoslavia... Civil war. Second they should both withdraw the suits at the same time. Problem solved.

Bridge

pre 10 godina

Croatia should block serbia's EU path, until they bow down. They bow down to their masters in kremlin so croatia shouldn't be a problem.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...@ mirel from talibania so why don't you mind your own business. ..
(Grobar1, 15 October 2013 18:55)...

I have told before in this forum that I am Orthodox Christian.In the other words when my ancesters were christian yours were somewhere in Russia.
Secondly,albanian orthodoxs are on the top of the Albanian cause from the renaissance until today.

Thirdly,Albnaina is a secular state and nobody cares about the religion.Probably the first country in the world with the highest rate of mix marriages.
Serbia on the other end is a religious state where the patriarc has more power than the president.
And whet I said about Croatia I believe that they are doing the roght thing when they are dealing with you.

Navi

pre 10 godina

Look at all these trolls supporting genocidal Croatia. Not only does Croatia need to apologize to Serbia for genocide, they need to pay reparations to all families of victims who were killed in Jasenovac and in Storm. Croats are the most racist people in the Balkans. No wonder weak Albanian wannabees want to be like them.

don't mess with Texas!!!!!!

pre 10 godina

Lookit these here two old yella Nazi and Ottoman brothers in arms and blood drinking, trying to throw egg on Serbia's face while the Good Lord is watching.
Bearing false witness is a sin and not to do so is one of the Lord's commandments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA8-ZOuKetU

good stuff yall

pre 10 godina

Congratulaion Croatia in you struggle for rescpect and dignity!

Hope Kosovo follows you example!
(Mirel from Albania, 15 October 2013 16:08)

LOL. That's the funniest f-n' thing I ever read. Croatia, respect and dignity, all in the same sentence.

2XLOL. I just realized, the sentence below it is even funnier.

TP

pre 10 godina

Read the following passage then refer back to the posts by 'Lenard. and 'Scoobie'.

'Many Serbs don't realise that Croatian intelligence officers bugged one of Milosevic's offices. What would happen to the Serbs if that information was made to go public. The Serbs are desperate for Croatia to drop the lawsuit. The Montenegran government have been apologetic and have given Croatia massive corporate companies shares as payment for what they did to Dubrovnik. At least they are offering something while the Serbs still think that someone owes them. This is why Serbia wont be in the E.U anytime soon. Take responsibility for once in your lives so the region can move forward.'

The above passage is identical in the posts submitted by 'Lenard' and 'Scoobie'.

This suggests that either they are the same person or that they might be paid trolls working from the same basic script.

Milan

pre 10 godina

"Scoobie",

I understand it is hard for uneducated people like yourself to get facts straight. Croatia did not become a UN member until May 22, 1995.

"The Republic of Croatia was admitted as a Member of the United Nations by General Assembly resolution A/RES/46/238 of 22 May 1992."

http://www.un.org/en/members/growth.shtml

So your claim that Serbia invaded a UN country is bogus. For your information, Yugoslavia sent the JNA to deal with a separatist republic. The Krajina Serbs had all rights to fear the Ustasha-like Croatian government. Check Google Images for "Ustasha" and you will be convinced that they were right and how disgusting it is that Germany still supported these thugs. Milosevic betrayed the Krajina Serbs and thanks to the political kangaroo court in The Hague few Croats and Albanians have been convicted convicted for Operation Storm. Serbia should never ever withdraw the real genocide lawsuit against Croatia, even at the expense of EU membership. Croatia's false lawsuit will fail and it will be a chance for the world to see the real foundation of Croatia, a sick and shameless black hole that should rot in hell where it belongs. What Montenegro did to Dubrovnik was stupid, but not that big and serious that Croatian companies deserve privileges to have a guilty mind paid off.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 13:34)
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Well, actually it's not the world, just the Nazis and their followers like your lot.

Milan

pre 10 godina

"@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 13:34)"

Nikolle,

I will never say that all Serbs were, are, or will be angels. What happened to many ordinary Serbs in WWII at the hands of the Nazis and their local allies/henchmen was probably the worst of all of WWII, together with the Chinese and occupied areas of the Soviet Union. After WWII Toto and his communist cronies forced the Serbs to forget their suffering and did not punish his own Croats (of course only the ones who had joined the Ustasha and the Nazis). Croats obviously have learned very little of their past. It is time that people at the Balkan deal with their problems and that outsiders stop interfering and stop favoring one group or the other. Yugoslavia was a nice idea and it even worked at a certain level. In the end it was destined to fail and at that time the peace-loving EU should have impartially mediated to find a fair solution without war. Separation of the ethnic groups into sustainable new countries would have been possible and would have prevented much bloodshed and new pain. All the innocent Serbs that died in vain cannot be forgotten. It would be a shame on Serbia if Croatia got away with things so easy again.

sj

pre 10 godina

I’ll tell you why the Croats will withdraw their so called lawsuit. If they don’t then no trading with Serbia.
It has taken a long time to show what I have been posting since 2008, in that Croatia is a mirage of a country - it’s financially unsustainable. Initially its budget shortfall was met by Brussels, much like Slovenia’s situation, but as the GFC continued to bite the EU then forced both countries to eat into their proceeds from the breakup of Yugo and today both Slovenia and Croatia are technically broke.
So for all those who screamed for years that Croatia and Slovenia paid for Serbia’s existence that pie has hit them in the face and they look like fools. Despite Serbia suffering the worst sanctions in history together with a collapse of its economy it is in a far better position than Slovenia or Croatia.
Slovenia’s bonds are now considered Junk status while Croatia has to have a fire sale of all it assets just to pay the interest on its loans.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

If Serbia withdraws from this lawsuit then they really don't care what happens to Serbs.
Serbs were targeted in WW1 and then in WW2 and to date nobody has paid the price for it.
Now Serbs were targeted again and as usual nobody cares about extermination of Serbs.
Looks like every few decades it's open season on Serbs with full immunity.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Peggy @Milan

yes, its always the fault of the others, Serbs are never to blame for anything. the world has it in for the peace-loving, flower-picking and the ardent pacifists known as Serbs. they're not known as the heavenly people for nothing

sj

pre 10 godina

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 23:51)

Well, when are those learned international judicial drunkards and buffoons going to prosecute the US pilots that murdered those innocent people they butchered in the streets of Bagdad which was only revealed by Julian Assange?
Any idea when that will happen????????Hmmmmmm?????

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Oh no, I don't think that at all, but have a guess as to who was on whose side back then?"

let us even say the Serbs were on the side of good, do we now judge the Serbs of of the 90's on what their grandparents did in the 1940's?

Peggy

pre 10 godina

if you don't know what 'let us even say...' means then i can't possibly help you. bizarre to me though that you think people of the 90's should be judged by what their grandparents did in the 40's.
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 10:05)
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I know what it means. I have even used the exact saying myself but I think you had no choice but to use it here because in your case it was a back door admission. You didn't have a choice because you couldn't deny the past. So you used an expression which wasn't exactly a denial but also not exactly an admission.
I am not judging people of the 90s by what their predecessors did. I was just saying that the leopard doesn't chance his spots and the same Nazi allies have managed to keep the same hatred and violence against the Serbs alive and thriving in their grandchildren. So I am judging the people of the 90s by what they did but also acknowledging that their grandparents taught them well.

I don't see how I could be any clearer than this. I know it takes a lot of explaining to you because you don't seem to get the gist of it any other way.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

. Each and every one of them (politicians) can rot as far as I'm concerned.
(bganon, 16 October 2013 11:37)
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Amen to that. Politicians are the same world over. It takes a special kind of a person to be a successful politician. Not many patriots have made it.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Peggy

well, now that you're using phrases like YOUR LOT, I'd say your lot gave the Nazis close competition in the war criminals produced list. your lot is well clear in second place, after the Nazis

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...In the end it was destined to fail and at that time the peace-loving EU should have impartially mediated to find a fair solution without war. Separation of the ethnic groups into sustainable new countries would have been possible and would have prevented much bloodshed and new pain. (Milan, 16 October 2013 16:33) ...

Fair solution without war was creating Slovenia,Croatia,Boania as a republic and Kosova.Serbia still would have had what its has today and possible Montenegro.

But serbs didnt like any solutions from EU-USA.Remember USA and EU were asking just for authonomy of Kosovo within YU until 1999.Serbs throw away a peace plan in Boania which even Russia and Greece was OK.This plan would have made Bosnia a funcional state.Serbs disregard the Z4 plan on Croatia, a very fair plan.
But no even this solutions was not enough for serbs.
If serbs would have agreed with the EU-USA plans they should have avoided 4 wars,keep serbs in Krahina,have Kosovo under their sovregnity and have a good presence in Bosnia gonverment.
Anyway serbs didnt like anything they wanted war and they lost Kosovo,Krahina billion of $, hundreds of thousands of lifes, and the only victory was RS.

I think with the deals offered by West ,if serbian were smart they would have won more than today plus become EU member even before Croatia.

Just because u weren't smart enough to agree on delas on Z4,Boania and give Kosovo its authonomy back,is not West' fault,but its yours.

Milan

pre 10 godina

"@Milan If you Yugoslavs turned Serbs in 1990 would just admit what your country did was wrong in the 90's then just maybe reconciliation could occur. No country in the world would allow a minority group to form its own government within a country. If calling us Ustase is the best defence the Serbs have in regards to the lawsuit then they have nothing. The Serbs need to understand that they aren't the masters anymore. Tito has been eaten by cockroaches and Draza's bones were most likely fed to village pigs. Nikolic needs to pay for Slobo's sins with an open check book.
(scoobie, 16 October 2013 15:22)"

"Scoobie",

A part of the Croatian population still worships the Ustasha and what they stood for and they deny vigorously the blood on their ancestors' hands. You know well that Serbia has much more to support the genocide lawsuit than calling you so name. To my best knowledge Serbia has apologized but for the other ethnic groups this has been a much harder task. Shame and pressure from Germany and the US to avoid admitting guilt are the two main reasons. Croatia can go to Brussels or Berlin to beg for money and I do not see any reason why Serbia would pay anything to Croatia. By the way, did you check out the Google Images photos? Makes your stomach turn around and want to throw up, don't they? I am sure you think it was and is OK because it were just Serbs being butchered and it was all done in the name of the (in)glorious Croatian fatherland and the Catholic Church.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

@Peggy

well, now that you're using phrases like YOUR LOT, I'd say your lot gave the Nazis close competition in the war criminals produced list. your lot is well clear in second place, after the Nazis
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 15:24)
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In your very biased opinion.

What about YOUR LOT the organ snatchers?

Grobar1

pre 10 godina

@ mirel from albania please don't tell us anything we don't want to hear anything from you albos you never have anything positive to say you come here on a Serbian site and spew your garbage just worry about your talibania and not Serbia or her affairs. ..

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Milan

Of course, that's what the angelic Serbs ever wanted. they were blameless in Croatia, they were blameless in Bosnia, they were blameless in Kosova too. when its always others to blame, perhaps there's something wrong with you. but no i mustn't forget, you're called heavenly for nothing

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

...what were the Albanians guilty of Peggy? we didn't elect Sloba, Serbs did. Its true that the Albanaisn took to guns, but then, I was not allowed to pursue my higher education in school bulidngs, I had to carry mine in private houses, because your authorities, banned Albanaisn from using public schools. its all true. there was a passive movement before thwe KLA, they were basically humored. bullets and blood sadly garnered attention. as for the organ allegations they remain just that, allegations. We're now into year 3 and Marty hasn't had the guts to charge anyone. basically the whole thing has become hot air, fodder for conspiracy theorists. but no no, we all know Croats, Bosnians, Albanians, the Vatican, Germany, the US, EU all conspired to pick on the peace loving Serbs.With theories like these, I'm surprised you don't think WW2 was acted out in movie studios. As for the Hague being biased, not really, they decided on the evidence presented to them, kinda like the Nuremburg trials. its not the fault of judges that most war criminals after the Nazis happen to be Serbs

Peggy

pre 10 godina

".With theories like these, I'm surprised you don't think WW2 was acted out in movie studios. "
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Oh no, I don't think that at all, but have a guess as to who was on whose side back then?
You know what they say about the leopard.

scoobie

pre 10 godina

@Milan If you Yugoslavs turned Serbs in 1990 would just admit what your country did was wrong in the 90's then just maybe reconciliation could occur. No country in the world would allow a minority group to form its own government within a country. If calling us Ustase is the best defence the Serbs have in regards to the lawsuit then they have nothing. The Serbs need to understand that they aren't the masters anymore. Tito has been eaten by cockroaches and Draza's bones were most likely fed to village pigs. Nikolic needs to pay for Slobo's sins with an open check book.

Milan

pre 10 godina

Nikolle,

You forgot take take into account the facts that before Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia a government-organized campaign of discrimination against Serbs had started (turning them into second-class citizens). In addition, increasinglu numbers of attacks from Croat nationalist against Serbs with the sole aim of creating a Serb response were taking place. It is still 100% understandable that the Krajina Serbs did not want to have anything to do with the nationalistic, Ustasha-oriented government in Zagreb. Once Milosevic withdrew the JNA from Krajina and after German and US support and encouragement the Croats were finally ready to finish what their ancestors failed to do: create a Serb-free Croatia, a model EU state and Germany's darling. Serbs were never interested to dominate Croatia. They just wanted to live free in their homeland that they defended against the Ottomans. All that helped you was to know whose boots to lick and having no shame.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Of course, that's what the angelic Serbs ever wanted. they were blameless in Croatia, they were blameless in Bosnia, they were blameless in Kosova too. when its always others to blame, perhaps there's something wrong with you. but no i mustn't forget, you're called heavenly for nothing
(Nikolle, 17 October 2013 10:06)
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Stop making a fool of yourself. You know very well that we know were were not blameless just like your lot and other others were not blameless.
Nobody was blameless back then but Albanians have NEVER accepted any responsibility or said that they are to blame to anything.
Show me just one admission by your guys. Just one will do.
It is YOU who think you are blameless not us.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 23:51)
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Yes, we know that Hague is an unbiased court.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?"

the ethnic cleansing of Croats that the so called Republic of Serbian Krajina carried out.but don't worry, i'm sure its all a blur to you. as for expelled serbs, i already said it, i pity the children because they are of course innocent, the adults who pillaged and raped croats with impunity, not even a tiny bit of sympathy for them.
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 10:18)

Of course its a blur what else could it be when there were no croats to cleanse in Krajina Before 1995 I should now better since I am from there dont you think?Your lies dont go home with me. And for your information it was the croats and the muslims that did all the pillaging and raping in Krajina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=599B7jlN23Y

Peggy

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:19)
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We all know exactly who were were fighting.
What do you think the return of the same old symbols, songs and hate means?
Grandpa would be proud of what his descendents achieved.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Milan

I'm well familiar with your narrative. basically it goes like this, Serbs wanted to separate from Krajina to avoid a WW2 tragedy occurring again. of course what you fail to mention, is that those Krjina Serbs went on to cleanse said region of all Croats. this does not even mention the pillaging and raping of Croat communities. when Croatia got a bit stronger and could defend itself, that's when even your бог had enough of your wining. if you want to dish it out, which is what Krajina Serbs wanted, they didn't want to share power they wanted to dominate Croatia, be prepared to take it as well. i pity the children of Krajian cause they are of course innocent and blameless, those who so eagerly took to arms and expelled and killed Croats, not a shred of sympathy for them. they had it coming

Milan

pre 10 godina

TP,

The Croats in Bleiburg you are probably referring to had most likely good reasons to get out of Yugoslavia. Obviously there was no future for them after all they had committed. Tito was a typical dictator and the British chose him over Draza and so people had to live with the consequences. Tito fought against Serbia in WWI and so not good could be expected of this thug. Any Ustasha who got what he or she deserved is not worth thinking of and I hope they still suffer in hell where they belonged. Of course there were enough Croats who hated the Ustasha and the Germans and the Communists and who had nothing against the Serbs. Unfortunately their numbers were too low to make an impact, but they should be admired and deserve no blame whatsoever. It were the Ottomans, the Austrians and the Germans who created the Balkan nationalism and until the day when Balkan people start relying on outsiders who have their own agendas and who only care about their benefits the Balkan people will be doomed and will have many generations who will be miserable and who do not reach their full potential and use their talents for the good of the land they live on and for the people they are related to.

Huh??

pre 10 godina

"...Tito was a typical dictator and the British chose him over Draza and so people had to live with the consequences..."

The UK, the US, nor anyone else had any voice in who came to power in Yugoslavia after the withdrawal of Nazi forces......in areas where the Red Army occupied, Stalin himself dictated who would rule. A good book on the topic is "Six Months in 1945" by Michael Dobbs.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

let us even say the Serbs were on the side of good, do we now judge the Serbs of of the 90's on what their grandparents did in the 1940's?
(Nikolle, 17 October 2013 15:06)
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Did you happen to read the last line?

Anyway, history repeats itself and it did again in the 90s. I don't care whether you agree with me or not and I am not interested in debating this point with you.
At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not. Never thought there would be one Albanian admitting that here.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

I'm well familiar with your narrative. basically it goes like this, Serbs wanted to separate from Krajina to avoid a WW2 tragedy occurring again. of course what you fail to mention, is that those Krjina Serbs went on to cleanse said region of all Croats. this does not even mention the pillaging and raping of Croat communities. when Croatia got a bit stronger and could defend itself, that's when even your бог had enough of your wining. if you want to dish it out, which is what Krajina Serbs wanted, they didn't want to share power they wanted to dominate Croatia, be prepared to take it as well. i pity the children of Krajian cause they are of course innocent and blameless, those who so eagerly took to arms and expelled and killed Croats, not a shred of sympathy for them. they had it coming
(Nikolle, 16 October 2013 17:28)

You albanians wouldve liked us to get slaughtered by the croats again without defending ourselves. We know very well what you want and what they planned. And as a Krajina serb I can tell you that the number of croats in Krajina could be numbered on one hand, it was and had Always been 99,999% serbian population so what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?Why dont you mention the ethnic cleansing of 250 000 serbs.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not."

if you don't know what 'let us even say...' means then i can't possibly help you. bizarre to me though that you think people of the 90's should be judged by what their grandparents did in the 40's.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"what ethnic cleansing are you talking about?"

the ethnic cleansing of Croats that the so called Republic of Serbian Krajina carried out.but don't worry, i'm sure its all a blur to you. as for expelled serbs, i already said it, i pity the children because they are of course innocent, the adults who pillaged and raped croats with impunity, not even a tiny bit of sympathy for them.

TP

pre 10 godina

Milan, you said:

'After WWII T(i)to and his communist cronies forced the Serbs to forget their suffering and did not punish his own Croats (of course only the ones who had joined the Ustasha and the Nazis).'

What should Tito have done to those ordinary Croats who did not openly support the Ustashe? As an Englishman I am ashamed of the fact that the British Army in Austria handed over Ustashe soldiers to the Partizans, knowing that they might be executed. And as much as I admired Tito, his forces should not have killed them all but investigated those who did commit atrocities. The war was finished there and they would have had the time to do so. The same was true for the ethnic German populations in Yugoslavia who were almost entirely purged from the country except for those who had married other ethnic groups in Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia was not just some novel experiment that failed, it was an essential move to ensure that outside imperial forces would never again find it so easy to move and and exploit the region as they are doing again today. Most Yugoslavs are ethnically the same, linguistically identical, apart from Slovenes and Macedonians who are still very similar, and they are culturally so close as to make little difference between them. In fact, they are less different than north and south Germans, English or Italians, etc, and they all damn well know it, even though some fearfully and naively try to deny it.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"In your very biased opinion."

Wrong again Peggy, in the opinion of international judges at the Hague. My opinion doesn't come into it at all.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

@Daniel

Perhpas you want to read the demographics of the so called Republic of Krajina between April 91 to July 92, where the Serb make up of the population increased fro 55% to 90%. what do you think, all the Croats went holidaying during that time?

Daniel

pre 10 godina

Perhpas you want to read the demographics of the so called Republic of Krajina between April 91 to July 92, where the Serb make up of the population increased fro 55% to 90%. what do you think, all the Croats went holidaying during that time?
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:22)

Why dont u look at the demographics of the rest of Croatia during that period and think of if those serbs that the croats ethnically cleansed from other parts of Croatia went?

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Throwing out little bits of wisdom from your computer in Australia does not constitute "fighting". Let's hear from he people that actually fought....what do they have to say.
(Huh??, 19 October 2013 11:54)
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I have heard fro them. You don't think we have those people here in Australia?

bganon

pre 10 godina

This is all a charade - if we have learned anything at all from recent political events in Croatia and Serbia, we know that neither elite believes in anything and that they never did.

All the rest is political posturing and encouraging that only makes those elites laugh and rejoice at the control they have over people. Each and every one of them (politicians) can rot as far as I'm concerned.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all

icj1

pre 10 godina

such paranoia Peggy. you actually think Serbs were fighting the Nazis in the wars of former Yugosliva? seriously, now I've heard it all
(Nikolle, 18 October 2013 16:19)

The above is more than normal considering that Serbs were avenging in Kosovo in 1999 the 1389 heroes' blood!

Huh??

pre 10 godina

"We all know exactly who were were fighting."

Throwing out little bits of wisdom from your computer in Australia does not constitute "fighting". Let's hear from he people that actually fought....what do they have to say.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Well, actually it's not the world, just the Nazis and their followers like your lot.
(Peggy, 16 October 2013 13:56)

In that case it should be even easier for heroic and macho Serbs who have always prevailed since the victorious 1389 battle...
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Yes, we know that Hague is an unbiased court.
(Peggy, 17 October 2013 11:32)

I concur here since that’s a court proposed by Russia, approved by Russia and with judges elected by Russia
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Well, when are those learned international judicial drunkards and buffoons going to prosecute the US pilots that murdered those innocent people they butchered in the streets of Bagdad which was only revealed by Julian Assange?
Any idea when that will happen????????Hmmmmmm?????
(sj, 17 October 2013 12:37)

I think that is a question that Serbia’s heroine Carla del Ponte would be more than happy to answer since it was her who decided not to prosecute the above
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At least you admitted that we were on the side of good while your brethren and pals in the Balkans were not. Never thought there would be one Albanian admitting that here.
(Peggy, 17 October 2013 22:13)

Yep, unfortunately not everybody is like the Serbs.