Pride Parade decision "in citizens' interest"

No, next year they will push for a bigger parade, then it will be a 'Gay month' and so on.
(john, 27 September 2013 17:01)

When gay parades are accepted as a norm the next push by the EU will be the introduction of gay marriages starting with civil and moving to church ones.The EU knows the orthodox church is the pillar of Serbian society and by pressing the Serbian elites to accept gay marriages in church they expect a clash between the political elites and the church ending with the church's marginalisation.The EU is all about losing one's national and cultural identity.

If you disagree with something, it is your right to protest against it.
I disagree with Gays and their lifestyle. I will protest against it if I want.
Many people say "let them have their parade and they will go unnoticed"
No, next year they will push for a bigger parade, then it will be a 'Gay month' and so on.
And counter protests do work, that's why the parade was banned last year. And hopefully it will be banned next year, after tomorrow's counter demo's.

I think it is clear what is in the interests of the majority of the population.

Hunter a lot has changed in 11 years, the majority are no longer pro-EU membershipand surely if you respect the fact that the vast majority of Serbs are against the parade then you should agree that it shouldn't take place.

I think there should be a parade.In 2002 if you were anti-EU and a Serbian citizen you were in the minority. You were still allowed to protest against the EU. When various groups had anti-EU protests in the city, majority pro-EU hooligans didn't turn up to try and kill the minority anti-EU demonstrators. The Minority was allowed to gather in public and express their opinion.

People seem to think that this parade is about the right for gay men to run naked through Kalemegdan slapping their penises on passers-by faces and having xrated sex in kindergartens and on church alters if they want. Its not, its about the rights of a life-parter to be treated the same as a husband or wife when there spouse dies. Its about the girl who wants to put here arm around her girlfriend on a park bench without worrying about being put in hospital.
Its also about saving the kids who would hang themselves rather that admit that they are gay to their parents. I dont know how old you are but maybe that could be your kid one day.

John - In a few years there may be a bigger parade, there may be a gay month, who gives a shit. There is a Ramadan if you ae Muslim and a Black History Month if you are black, Easter if you are Christian. There is a Guca 9 day festival if you like Music, dont celebrate the one you dont want to. celebrate the ones you do.

The strongest democracies know that their strength comes from protecting the rights of minorities. Weak democracies, or people with under developed idea of democracy, think that what the majority says must go, despite the impact on minorities. Is Serbia a strong democracy?

It sounds from the comments that many Serb boys and men are self-hating Homos. Why else would there be such an uproar over a parade, if you don't agree with it, don't attend. Only insecure people want to prevent others from expressing views contrary to theirs. There must be an awful lot of crowded closets in Serbia.

In 2002 68% of Serbians wanted to join the EU, in other words, the majority, therefore according to the logic on here, anyone who is anti-EU should leave Serbia or shut up as they are the minority. Anti-EU protest are provocations to the majority and should be banned.
Having lived here for a number of years I see that many disagree with the parade, and I respect that, however I don't understand the obsession with the parade every year (and especially the fascination with gay sex between men) while there are much more important things to happen.
I would suspect that a large number of the protesters have no jobs and many more have trouble feeding their families every month, while the government is giving away millions of dinars in no-bid contracts to their families and friends.
But some chick can't visit her life-partner on her death bed in hospital because they are both women, all your problems must be her fault, go smash her face in with a bottle because she wants the same rights as you

Serbia is still in the dark ages. All other countries know there is a diversity of people except Serbia. Good luck with being in the EU. What happens when a serb goes to another country and there are gay parades - feel it is okay since it is not in Serbia? Yea - great mentality.

Holding a gay parade is the first step towards seeking acceptance of that lifestyle and ultimately leading towards recognition of gay marriage. This situation is not desireable as marriage is a role model for society and kids in particular do not need to be confused. Society should strive for ideals and the gay lifestyle is not. However gays should not be discriminated against but that lifestyle should not be promoted or endorsed.

Leonidas, if you were on this site a thousand years ago you would be saying something like this.

When Christianity is accepted as a norm the next push by the Church will be the introduction of Christian marriages starting with civil and moving to church ones.The Church knows the pagans are the pillar of Serbian society and by pressing the Serbian elites to accept Christianity they expect a clash between the pagans and the church ending with the pagans marginalisation. Christianity is all about losing one's national and cultural identity.

Born Serbian, I have lived in the west for decades. As a young boy, living in Serbia, I learned to be tough and not excepting of gay people. What a fool and an idiot I must have been to think that way then! In retrospect, I feel ashamed as a Serb, particularly when I read the news like the once of gay parade being canceled.

NO ONE HAS GIVEN THE RATIONAL BEHID THE GAY PARADE CANCELATION. There is so much paranoia!

Today, where I live, I have wonderful gay friends and I am happy to have them in my life! Open your mind people of Serbia. Inclusion not exclusion is the best way of living, regardless of who you are and where you come from!!!

Serbia is still in the dark ages. All other countries know there is a diversity of people except Serbia. Good luck with being in the EU. What happens when a serb goes to another country and there are gay parades - feel it is okay since it is not in Serbia? Yea - great mentality.
(tm, 27 September 2013 22:39)

Yep of course because we cant decide what happens in other countries but here we dont want them and thats our decision to make. If you want your to watch men in leather pants and silly wigs go ahead organize a parade in Pristina who is holding you back?Oh I almost forgot the last gay bar in Pristina closed last year. Add that fact to the fact how you treat non-albanians in kosovo, is that the diversity you are talking about?

the fascist-commies have won again. welcome to serbia...

"The EU is all about losing one's national and cultural identity."

biggest pile of crap ever.

It’s ironic and boring for Albanian islamists to give me lessons on homophobia and pretend that gay rights are on top of their own agenda. One has to bear in mind,of course,that anyone in Albania daring to utter the “G” letter to describe his own sexuality is like signing his death sentence.

On the other hand,homosexuals in Serbia, from what I know, do not live in fear and many of them from the entertainment business have openly declared their homosexual preferences without suffering any adverse effects on their careers and therefore they do not see the need to proclaim their sexuality in a public manner.

The Gay Parade stunt is not indigenous in Serbia but foreign orchestrated.It's all about power and subjugation.The Gay lobby within the EU is very powerful and is made up from gays in politics,business and entertainment backed by substantial financial resources.They make the demands on Serbia and any other candidate country and they expect full compliance.

The present ban is a Pyrrhic victory for the anti-parade lobby.The EU will come stronger and they will expect total subjugation.If Serbia refuses their negotiation process will be frozen and Serbia declared a pariah state by the even conniving western press.

Nikolle

Although 94% o the Albanians in kosovo declared themselves as muslims in the last census yet Albanians posting on this site maintain they are Christians of either denomination or atheists.This is against the laws of probability and it means that Albanians are economical with the truth.

Can you show a posting of mine that I either insinuate or advocate violence against gays? I just don't see the reason for exhibiting one's sexuality, being gay or heterosexual, in public.As to your urge for getting my passport and visiting places maybe I have missed for not visiting kosovo but I can tell you that I have been a world traveler for years.Maybe one day you would be able to visit the places that I have.

Nikolle,

Using the rule of probabilities what are the chances of the Albanians posting on this site being part of the 6%?Very tiny indeed.If I were you I would go out and buy a lottery ticket.

I have to admit that a gay parade is not my favourite topic for discussion but if you haven't noticed the thrust of my posting wasn't against the gay parade itself but the attempts of the EU to foist it upon the Serbs.I said on a posting of mine in October 2012 that there were seventeen articles on gay parade appearing on this site in September 2012 and quite a few in September 2013.Was this a coincidence? I don't think so.

Gay parade marches are not isolated phenomena but an orchestrated campaign by the EU to interfere in the affairs of other states in the name of "freedom of Assembly" or "human rights".Its similar to US Iraq narrative-they invaded in order to bring democracy.It's all part of the same design called globalisation.

@(The Count of Kosova, 27 September 2013 23:46)

Homo's!?, sounds quite derogatory and not exactly a politically correct labelling of a Gay person, I apologise for you to all that have taken offence to this, perhaps its due to your cultural mentality, lack of manners or low intelligence in knowing this. I cant be sure.
...so when will you be marching in solidarity alongside the local Gay and Lesbian citizens of "kosova" in Pristina? I'm absolutely not suggesting that you are of that sexual orientation, but you are very critical of Serbia in this regard, maybe a little too critical, almost as if you personally have been targeted by this decision, even though it is legal in the rest of Serbia, its just not manageable to provide security for these people at this present time, just the same way its not illegal for Serbs in Kosovo to gather and attend and observe religious and national holidays throughout all of Kosovo, but unfortunately in majority of cases non existent due to the fact their safety cannot be guaranteed by the local security due to the large number of openly active Serbophobes and the many more that are in the closet,
..so with that I quote you, "Only insecure people want to prevent others from expressing views contrary to theirs", and I ask you again, will you march in a gay parade in Kosovo, in solidarity of course, unless you are otherwise inclined, and if not , Why?
prove your credibility in not having any insecurity issues of your own

"The EU is all about losing one's national and cultural identity."

biggest pile of crap ever. if we're going to talk about identities, the greeks once followed the beautiful teachings of Socrates and Epicurus, only for the Orthodox Church to come and ruin it all. you come up with more and more bizarre stuff every time. homosexuality is a part of nature, it exists in the animal kingdom too and it predates the alleged pillar of nations, the church. there were gays before god decided to get in touch via Moses and if we follow the logic of the religious, God made gay people too. sadly in the Balkans, we're still dealing with stupidity

Yep of course because we cant decide what happens in other countries but here we dont want them and thats our decision to make. If you want your to watch men in leather pants and silly wigs go ahead organize a parade in Pristina who is holding you back?Oh I almost forgot the last gay bar in Pristina closed last year. Add that fact to the fact how you treat non-albanians in kosovo, is that the diversity you are talking about?
(Daniel, 28 September 2013 10:06)


Wooow, even Daniel became a traitor now. After we've heard Serb patriots preach for years how backward the Albanians are and how superior Serbs are, our dear friend Daniel comes here and makes Albanians the standard that Serbs should try to meet or exceed :)

many of them from the entertainment business have openly declared their homosexual preferences
--------------

oh ya? name one.

@ Leonidas

"...Albanian islamists.."

I assume you consider me an Islamist. sunshine, my parents are practicing Catholics. i know you don't think Christian Albanians exist, but thats a different thing. i however am not a christian Albanian, i'm an atheist albanian and i abhor all forms of theism. its stupid to me that people still look up to a mythical daddy.

to get back on track however, you'll notice that i did not mention serbia once, i wrote the balkans as homophobia is a Balkan disease. now that you brought serbia into it, there were shoutings of kill the bags on the streets of belgrade 2 years ago if i remember correctly. the so called pillar of tolerance and compassion, the church, didn't condemn those calls. on the other hand, the gay bike ride that was held in Tirana, wasn't met with such abuse. its a real shame that being in possession of an EU passport hasn't broadened your horizons at all. you seem to have kept a lot of the Balkan stupidity and backwardness. i suggest you travel more

Right, so that still leaves 6% who do not declare themselves adherents to Islam. What you're essentially doing, is accusing me of lying, but you're of course using phrases like economical with the truth. There is a Catholic community over here, especially in Gjakova, Peja and the Klina region. Me pesonally, i have no time for Jesus or Muhammed.
Now that i got that out of the way, i can get back to the discussion. Whilst i cant point to any posting of yours that calls for violence against gays, i can analyse what you write on the topic, and using words like Gay lobby, gay politicans suggests a certain amoint of homophobia or paranoia on your part. Everyone else has the right to an a public gathering guaranteed, why shouldnt the gay community? They too are a part of society. Ostracising them is fascist and this is what happens in the Balkans.
As for your assertions that you have travelled more than me, i dont doubt that for a second. For my part though, i too have seen a lot of the world, and for all your travelling, you seem to have kept hold of a lot of the Balkan nonsene that has kept this part of the world so primitive. Maybe you just didnt travel enough.

@ Leonidas

there's a far bigger chance that a Catholic Kosovar Albanian will post here than there is of me winning the lottery. but either way, it makes no difference to me whether you believe me or not.

as for this supposed EU pressure, well, it is a club that Serbia has applied to join, not the other way around. their club, their rules

In 2002 68% of Serbians wanted to join the EU, in other words, the majority, therefore according to the logic on here, anyone who is anti-EU should leave Serbia or shut up as they are the minority. Anti-EU protest are provocations to the majority and should be banned.
Having lived here for a number of years I see that many disagree with the parade, and I respect that, however I don't understand the obsession with the parade every year (and especially the fascination with gay sex between men) while there are much more important things to happen.
I would suspect that a large number of the protesters have no jobs and many more have trouble feeding their families every month, while the government is giving away millions of dinars in no-bid contracts to their families and friends.
But some chick can't visit her life-partner on her death bed in hospital because they are both women, all your problems must be her fault, go smash her face in with a bottle because she wants the same rights as you

The strongest democracies know that their strength comes from protecting the rights of minorities. Weak democracies, or people with under developed idea of democracy, think that what the majority says must go, despite the impact on minorities. Is Serbia a strong democracy?

If you disagree with something, it is your right to protest against it.
I disagree with Gays and their lifestyle. I will protest against it if I want.
Many people say "let them have their parade and they will go unnoticed"
No, next year they will push for a bigger parade, then it will be a 'Gay month' and so on.
And counter protests do work, that's why the parade was banned last year. And hopefully it will be banned next year, after tomorrow's counter demo's.

I think there should be a parade.In 2002 if you were anti-EU and a Serbian citizen you were in the minority. You were still allowed to protest against the EU. When various groups had anti-EU protests in the city, majority pro-EU hooligans didn't turn up to try and kill the minority anti-EU demonstrators. The Minority was allowed to gather in public and express their opinion.

People seem to think that this parade is about the right for gay men to run naked through Kalemegdan slapping their penises on passers-by faces and having xrated sex in kindergartens and on church alters if they want. Its not, its about the rights of a life-parter to be treated the same as a husband or wife when there spouse dies. Its about the girl who wants to put here arm around her girlfriend on a park bench without worrying about being put in hospital.
Its also about saving the kids who would hang themselves rather that admit that they are gay to their parents. I dont know how old you are but maybe that could be your kid one day.

John - In a few years there may be a bigger parade, there may be a gay month, who gives a shit. There is a Ramadan if you ae Muslim and a Black History Month if you are black, Easter if you are Christian. There is a Guca 9 day festival if you like Music, dont celebrate the one you dont want to. celebrate the ones you do.

Holding a gay parade is the first step towards seeking acceptance of that lifestyle and ultimately leading towards recognition of gay marriage. This situation is not desireable as marriage is a role model for society and kids in particular do not need to be confused. Society should strive for ideals and the gay lifestyle is not. However gays should not be discriminated against but that lifestyle should not be promoted or endorsed.

Leonidas, if you were on this site a thousand years ago you would be saying something like this.

When Christianity is accepted as a norm the next push by the Church will be the introduction of Christian marriages starting with civil and moving to church ones.The Church knows the pagans are the pillar of Serbian society and by pressing the Serbian elites to accept Christianity they expect a clash between the pagans and the church ending with the pagans marginalisation. Christianity is all about losing one's national and cultural identity.

It sounds from the comments that many Serb boys and men are self-hating Homos. Why else would there be such an uproar over a parade, if you don't agree with it, don't attend. Only insecure people want to prevent others from expressing views contrary to theirs. There must be an awful lot of crowded closets in Serbia.

Serbia is still in the dark ages. All other countries know there is a diversity of people except Serbia. Good luck with being in the EU. What happens when a serb goes to another country and there are gay parades - feel it is okay since it is not in Serbia? Yea - great mentality.

I think it is clear what is in the interests of the majority of the population.

Hunter a lot has changed in 11 years, the majority are no longer pro-EU membershipand surely if you respect the fact that the vast majority of Serbs are against the parade then you should agree that it shouldn't take place.

No, next year they will push for a bigger parade, then it will be a 'Gay month' and so on.
(john, 27 September 2013 17:01)

When gay parades are accepted as a norm the next push by the EU will be the introduction of gay marriages starting with civil and moving to church ones.The EU knows the orthodox church is the pillar of Serbian society and by pressing the Serbian elites to accept gay marriages in church they expect a clash between the political elites and the church ending with the church's marginalisation.The EU is all about losing one's national and cultural identity.

the fascist-commies have won again. welcome to serbia...

Born Serbian, I have lived in the west for decades. As a young boy, living in Serbia, I learned to be tough and not excepting of gay people. What a fool and an idiot I must have been to think that way then! In retrospect, I feel ashamed as a Serb, particularly when I read the news like the once of gay parade being canceled.

NO ONE HAS GIVEN THE RATIONAL BEHID THE GAY PARADE CANCELATION. There is so much paranoia!

Today, where I live, I have wonderful gay friends and I am happy to have them in my life! Open your mind people of Serbia. Inclusion not exclusion is the best way of living, regardless of who you are and where you come from!!!

Serbia is still in the dark ages. All other countries know there is a diversity of people except Serbia. Good luck with being in the EU. What happens when a serb goes to another country and there are gay parades - feel it is okay since it is not in Serbia? Yea - great mentality.
(tm, 27 September 2013 22:39)

Yep of course because we cant decide what happens in other countries but here we dont want them and thats our decision to make. If you want your to watch men in leather pants and silly wigs go ahead organize a parade in Pristina who is holding you back?Oh I almost forgot the last gay bar in Pristina closed last year. Add that fact to the fact how you treat non-albanians in kosovo, is that the diversity you are talking about?

"The EU is all about losing one's national and cultural identity."

biggest pile of crap ever. if we're going to talk about identities, the greeks once followed the beautiful teachings of Socrates and Epicurus, only for the Orthodox Church to come and ruin it all. you come up with more and more bizarre stuff every time. homosexuality is a part of nature, it exists in the animal kingdom too and it predates the alleged pillar of nations, the church. there were gays before god decided to get in touch via Moses and if we follow the logic of the religious, God made gay people too. sadly in the Balkans, we're still dealing with stupidity

Yep of course because we cant decide what happens in other countries but here we dont want them and thats our decision to make. If you want your to watch men in leather pants and silly wigs go ahead organize a parade in Pristina who is holding you back?Oh I almost forgot the last gay bar in Pristina closed last year. Add that fact to the fact how you treat non-albanians in kosovo, is that the diversity you are talking about?
(Daniel, 28 September 2013 10:06)


Wooow, even Daniel became a traitor now. After we've heard Serb patriots preach for years how backward the Albanians are and how superior Serbs are, our dear friend Daniel comes here and makes Albanians the standard that Serbs should try to meet or exceed :)

many of them from the entertainment business have openly declared their homosexual preferences
--------------

oh ya? name one.

@ Leonidas

"...Albanian islamists.."

I assume you consider me an Islamist. sunshine, my parents are practicing Catholics. i know you don't think Christian Albanians exist, but thats a different thing. i however am not a christian Albanian, i'm an atheist albanian and i abhor all forms of theism. its stupid to me that people still look up to a mythical daddy.

to get back on track however, you'll notice that i did not mention serbia once, i wrote the balkans as homophobia is a Balkan disease. now that you brought serbia into it, there were shoutings of kill the bags on the streets of belgrade 2 years ago if i remember correctly. the so called pillar of tolerance and compassion, the church, didn't condemn those calls. on the other hand, the gay bike ride that was held in Tirana, wasn't met with such abuse. its a real shame that being in possession of an EU passport hasn't broadened your horizons at all. you seem to have kept a lot of the Balkan stupidity and backwardness. i suggest you travel more

Right, so that still leaves 6% who do not declare themselves adherents to Islam. What you're essentially doing, is accusing me of lying, but you're of course using phrases like economical with the truth. There is a Catholic community over here, especially in Gjakova, Peja and the Klina region. Me pesonally, i have no time for Jesus or Muhammed.
Now that i got that out of the way, i can get back to the discussion. Whilst i cant point to any posting of yours that calls for violence against gays, i can analyse what you write on the topic, and using words like Gay lobby, gay politicans suggests a certain amoint of homophobia or paranoia on your part. Everyone else has the right to an a public gathering guaranteed, why shouldnt the gay community? They too are a part of society. Ostracising them is fascist and this is what happens in the Balkans.
As for your assertions that you have travelled more than me, i dont doubt that for a second. For my part though, i too have seen a lot of the world, and for all your travelling, you seem to have kept hold of a lot of the Balkan nonsene that has kept this part of the world so primitive. Maybe you just didnt travel enough.

@ Leonidas

there's a far bigger chance that a Catholic Kosovar Albanian will post here than there is of me winning the lottery. but either way, it makes no difference to me whether you believe me or not.

as for this supposed EU pressure, well, it is a club that Serbia has applied to join, not the other way around. their club, their rules

@(The Count of Kosova, 27 September 2013 23:46)

Homo's!?, sounds quite derogatory and not exactly a politically correct labelling of a Gay person, I apologise for you to all that have taken offence to this, perhaps its due to your cultural mentality, lack of manners or low intelligence in knowing this. I cant be sure.
...so when will you be marching in solidarity alongside the local Gay and Lesbian citizens of "kosova" in Pristina? I'm absolutely not suggesting that you are of that sexual orientation, but you are very critical of Serbia in this regard, maybe a little too critical, almost as if you personally have been targeted by this decision, even though it is legal in the rest of Serbia, its just not manageable to provide security for these people at this present time, just the same way its not illegal for Serbs in Kosovo to gather and attend and observe religious and national holidays throughout all of Kosovo, but unfortunately in majority of cases non existent due to the fact their safety cannot be guaranteed by the local security due to the large number of openly active Serbophobes and the many more that are in the closet,
..so with that I quote you, "Only insecure people want to prevent others from expressing views contrary to theirs", and I ask you again, will you march in a gay parade in Kosovo, in solidarity of course, unless you are otherwise inclined, and if not , Why?
prove your credibility in not having any insecurity issues of your own

Nikolle

Although 94% o the Albanians in kosovo declared themselves as muslims in the last census yet Albanians posting on this site maintain they are Christians of either denomination or atheists.This is against the laws of probability and it means that Albanians are economical with the truth.

Can you show a posting of mine that I either insinuate or advocate violence against gays? I just don't see the reason for exhibiting one's sexuality, being gay or heterosexual, in public.As to your urge for getting my passport and visiting places maybe I have missed for not visiting kosovo but I can tell you that I have been a world traveler for years.Maybe one day you would be able to visit the places that I have.

"The EU is all about losing one's national and cultural identity."

biggest pile of crap ever.

It’s ironic and boring for Albanian islamists to give me lessons on homophobia and pretend that gay rights are on top of their own agenda. One has to bear in mind,of course,that anyone in Albania daring to utter the “G” letter to describe his own sexuality is like signing his death sentence.

On the other hand,homosexuals in Serbia, from what I know, do not live in fear and many of them from the entertainment business have openly declared their homosexual preferences without suffering any adverse effects on their careers and therefore they do not see the need to proclaim their sexuality in a public manner.

The Gay Parade stunt is not indigenous in Serbia but foreign orchestrated.It's all about power and subjugation.The Gay lobby within the EU is very powerful and is made up from gays in politics,business and entertainment backed by substantial financial resources.They make the demands on Serbia and any other candidate country and they expect full compliance.

The present ban is a Pyrrhic victory for the anti-parade lobby.The EU will come stronger and they will expect total subjugation.If Serbia refuses their negotiation process will be frozen and Serbia declared a pariah state by the even conniving western press.

Nikolle,

Using the rule of probabilities what are the chances of the Albanians posting on this site being part of the 6%?Very tiny indeed.If I were you I would go out and buy a lottery ticket.

I have to admit that a gay parade is not my favourite topic for discussion but if you haven't noticed the thrust of my posting wasn't against the gay parade itself but the attempts of the EU to foist it upon the Serbs.I said on a posting of mine in October 2012 that there were seventeen articles on gay parade appearing on this site in September 2012 and quite a few in September 2013.Was this a coincidence? I don't think so.

Gay parade marches are not isolated phenomena but an orchestrated campaign by the EU to interfere in the affairs of other states in the name of "freedom of Assembly" or "human rights".Its similar to US Iraq narrative-they invaded in order to bring democracy.It's all part of the same design called globalisation.