"Serbia does not accept Kosovo's membership in UN"

From the land where black is white and aggressor is victim, Nikolic is trying to convince UN members that he can square the circle. What nonsense this gravedigger spouts! How quickly Toma has forgotten that Serbia agreed, in April, not to obstruct Kosova from joining the UN and other international organizations.

What a speech! I hope Toma was notified that another recognition came in from Grenada, while he was spewing lies at UNGA.

How can a president of a country wanting to build respect after it had been destroyed, stand up before the world and flat out lie. Dick Marty by his own words proved nothing, he said that it warranted further investigation, the European Council agreed to more investigation, no one other than Serbia has said anything has been proven.

The fact that there are so many albanians on this site feeling the need to claim KiM as "independent" proves that it is not and it is merely a disputed territory. How many Serbs do we see on this site claiming that Serbia is independent, or Croats for Croatia or Albanians for Albania.
(Robert1899, 26 September 2013 12:23)

Why do all serbs and their politicians claim Kosova is part of serbia, every single day?
That means is NOT.

@ Daniel

I think your unquilfied and hateful comments speak for itself. Germany is a country which reflectes on its bloody past, and changed completly. The present Germany has nothing in common with Nazi Germany, except that we accepted the fact that in the name of Germany the most horrible crimes were committed in its name by the Nazi's The same can not be said about Serbia when it comes to the crimes against humanity committed in its name during the 90's. Nicolic being the president of Serbia now, would be the same as if an ex Nazi would be the chancellor of Germany, which would be impossible here. That alone says a lot ..... P.S. besides Grenada, Libya also recognized Kosovo while he held his speech at the UN General Assembly, and if I remember correcly the serbian foreign minister said just a few weeks ago, that Libya would never do that.

Nothing new from Serbia, the same old lies, the same old comments from a failed state which remains tangeled up in its bloody past.

Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 12:00)

Have you ever been to Germany?

I don't know why I'm asking that question because if you had been to Germany, you wouldn't be making such statements.

While Toma was speaking in UN,two more recognisions come yestarday for Kosovo.Grenada and Lybia have recognised Kosovo,becoming the 104 and 105th state to recognise Kosovo as independent.Grendada even signed the diplomatic relationship agreement with Kosovo while Lybia will do it next few weeks.

During late 1980s and early 1990s I have misjudged the nonserbs and I have thought they have exaggetared their suffering dealing with serbs.
But after Sebrenica and specially after 1999 I always say,Gol bless people in YU who used to deal with serbs!
The serbian comentators in this site just help me to think that my opinion is right.
Take Kosovo for example.They know they have lost and Kosovo never will be Serbia again, and they are doing everything in their power to make the life of albanians more difficult,icluding not letting them play soccer( please spare me with the justification that albanians can play soccer for Serbia,because they don't want and you have to respect that).
So I can imagine what albanians and nonserbs have suffered when serbs were really in charge and used to rule YU and Kosovo.
As for serbs themselves I wish God have mercy on you!

The fact that there are so many albanians on this site feeling the need to claim KiM as "independent" proves that it is not and it is merely a disputed territory. How many Serbs do we see on this site claiming that Serbia is independent, or Croats for Croatia or Albanians for Albania.

I'm sorry but you don't decide the life of Albanians in Kosovo no more...Kosovo will be in UN before you get in EU..mark words...Serbia needs to stop interfering in Kosovo or the west will put sanctions on you..oh wait the EU is doing it..well learn your lesson before you end up like North Korea...Serbia needs to understand that no one will allow you to create another RS in Kosovo..it's a done deal. The 90s are gone and you need to move on..the west is tired of you..so is the world.

“Serbia is "still convinced" the UN has to be involved in the investigation, Nikolić noted.
He also commented on the work of the Hague Tribunal (ICTY) and said the court had abused its mandate given by the UN Security Council, undermined the reconciliation process in the former Yugoslavia and compromised the idea of an international criminal justice system.”

Sorry, but there is a contradiction. On one side the UN has to be involved and on the other side when the UN is indeed involved, Tomislav calls it abuse of mandate. Serbs, please make up your mind!
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“Nikolić congratulated the newly elected president of the UN General Assembly, John William Ashe, and his predecessor, Vuk Jeremić, adding that Jeremić had represented Serbia well while remaining unbiased and professional during his one-year term as the president of the General Assembly.”

Sorry again, but there is a contradiction (btw, does anybody check Tomislav’s speeches)? Vuk representing Serbia is really opposite to “remaining unbiased”, because representing Serbia certainly does not mean representing all the rest of the world – it means favoring (or being biased in favor of) Serbia. Tomislav is really ignorant to the fact that, in theory, Vuk is a UN official and represents no country, the same way that Ban does not represent South Korea. But obviously both Vuk and Tomislav have no idea what being president of UNGA actually means!.

It is defacto! Dejan pavicevic proves it's defacto! it's soon to be de Jure. you have an ambassador liaison officer border guards customs agents meetings conferences rokcec logo on ballots pristina appointed police chiefs and Albanian deputies Serbia agreed Kosovo would have a international calling code. Serbia is the number one implementer of Kosovo independence in the world

For once he has made some valid comments but obviously, by stating that Serbia has never fought an agresive war, he must either be suffering from dementia or he is in denial.
Srebrenica, Kosovo, Mostar and Sarajevo to mention but a few acts of Serb aggresion should never be forgotten.

Nothing new from Serbia, the same old lies, the same old comments from a failed state which remains tangeled up in its bloody past.
(Willi Pfaff, 26 September 2013 10:23)

LOL, a german talking about a "bloody past". Maybe you should clean up your mess first dont u think?You and your germans cold-bloodedly murderered millions of people without getting punished for it, who are you to lecture someone else?Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2, you only changed your methods. You will always go down as the worst murderers and barbarians in the history of mankind, thats something that noone can take away from you. I hope you are proud of that. If there was any justice Germany should have been completely levelled with the ground as a punishment for all the atrocities you committed. Completely levelled with the ground and no right to speak and a lifetime ban from the european community would be a proper punishmen. Can you even imagine how monstruos you and your people are?Slaughtering 10s of millions of innocent people. ARBEIT MACHT FREI Willy right?Remember your idols slogan?

Most of the diplomats at UN were sleeping during Nicolic's speech. If you want to know if Toma made any sense yesterday, the two recogintions yesterday and one today explains this best.
Few more to come in the coming days. We tell you as they come, you keep counting for us.

“According to him, "Serbia will fully implement the agreement - but that in no way means that Serbia intends to accept Kosovo's membership in the UN and other international organizations, initiatives and forums, that can be joined only by sovereign states." “

Of course, that’s stating the obvious because it’s not in Serbia’s power to accept or not accept Kosovo's accession to the UN until the UN Charter changes to make Serbia a permanent member of UNSC. In addition, there are several examples of non-sovereign states being UN members, so I really don’t get what Tomislav is talking about.
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“He appealed for the mandate of UNMIK to remain unchanged, for its size to stay the same and for its activities to be intensified. “

Sorry, but how can the activities be intensified with the same staff?! The staff would need to increase and who’s going to pay for it? A failed state like Serbia?!
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“"Council of Europe rapporteur Dick Marty proved, and the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe confirmed, that some of the current ethnic Albanian leaders in Kosovo had organized kidnappings and murders of Serbs whose organs were then taken out and sold," Nikolić said. “

Alleged crimes are proved by the prosecution in indictments not in reports; that’s how it works in the civilized world. Not sure how it works in Serbia…

Strange to see so many Albanian commentators on Serbia portals... Probably trying to convence us of something...

@Eric

Ok you say that "Kosovo" will be in UN, but you aren't saying how? Sanctions will be pointless, since its not Serbia that is preventing "Kosovo" from joining, but Russia and China. Maybe "the west" will implement sanction on them? Haha, somehow i just don't that happening.

Russia and china will not be more Serb than Serbia. They will only veto if Serbia speaks against allowing Kosov in the UN. If Serbia is Becomes true to their world they will not stop Kosovs euro integration as they agreed .

For once he has made some valid comments but obviously, by stating that Serbia has never fought an agresive war, he must either be suffering from dementia or he is in denial.
Srebrenica, Kosovo, Mostar and Sarajevo to mention but a few acts of Serb aggresion should never be forgottaen.
(T, 26 September 2013 14:24)

Serbia fought terrorists in Kosovo, as for Srebrenica and Mostar no serb army ever fought in Mostar and Serbia as stated by the hague tribunal had no guilt in the wars in bosnia whatsoever. Why dont u mention that it was Croatia that started the aggression on Bosnia by attacking Prijedor and Derventa. Thats not interesting to you right?Last but not least 92-95 bosnian muslims commanded by Naser Oric slaughtered more than 3500 serb civilians in the enklaves surrounding Srebrenica of which more than 200 were brutally slaughted on christmas day. But again those were only serbs, that they were women, elders and Children obviously doesnt make a difference to a fanatic like yourself.

US installed puppet regime in Libya and Grenada that is why they recognize Kosovo.

The fact is that Germany and its people never got punished for what they did during ww2 and you want the serbs to be punished in absurdum for a war in which atrocities were committed by all sides. Logical isn´t it?And by the way if you hate us so much why do u even bother to come to a serb site on a Daily basis do you really think that your lies and propaganda are interesting to us?
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:27)
And did you suddenly appear on earth in the last 2 years or was information flowing in and out of Yugoslavia that censored. Germany was occupied by foreign powers after being totally destroyed infrastructurally (we are not talking a few buildings like in Serbia. They had to start a government from scratch and were divided by a wall for 50 years. And you call that they were never punished.
So if there is a move to do that to Serbia you would be ok with it as it is not really punishment. You need to stop the "poor little me attitude" Serbia has not been treated badly in relation to its crimes.
The difference is Germany has admitted its role in crimes it committed and have moved forward, Serbia never will unless it follows suit.

President Nikolic is right. The most important think is that Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo in any way. Who know, 50 years from now, geopolitical situation might be completely different.

Ian I dont have to go to Germany to form myself an opinion about Germans. I have been to Auschwitz, thats enough.

Willi,

You are a hypocrite.

You spread hate-filled comments here and you judge others for the same. Your use of collective guilt is absurd and just plain ignorance.

You have no first-hand knowledge of the war in the Balkans (other than what Roberto from frisco aka the wanna be journalist) told you.

The childish and often unprofessional articles and comments you and little Roberto(and Ian) post on your kosovo-net web page reveals your total lack of objectivity and a pathological fixation with Serbia.

I think your unquilfied and hateful comments speak for themselves, too.

US installed puppet regime in Libya and Grenada that is why they recognize Kosovo.
(gagi, 26 September 2013 18:09)

If they're US puppet regimes, then why has it taken them so long to recognise Kosovo? The US invaded Grenada 30 years ago. Why would it take a puppet regime 5 and half years to carry out their master's order?

The Gaddafi regime was overthrown two years ago, it doesn't take to years to extend formal diplomatic recognition.

If Grenada and Libya are US puppets, then they're certainly not very good puppet states!

Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2
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SMH

Kosovo will never be allowed to join the UN cos Russia andChina say so.Stop dreaming albos, you'll never join the eu,they dont want any more muslim beggars they have enough turks already.

Stealing Christian lands in Kosovo should not be rewarded! Good move Serbia. Never recognize the theft of your territory.

Kosovo doesn't care what Serbia says.

Why do K-Albanians need a seat at the UN? For a drunkard to drop his pents at the assembly? "Kosovo-diplomats" are already famous and louche for their behaving in the countries they've been recognized by.

Serbia will eventually recognise Kosovo because Serbia will join the EU without Kosovo, it'll then have to impose visa restrictions on Kosovo citizens and the border with Kosovo will be an EU's external border. Am I not right? Moreover, Serbia agreed not to hinder Kosovo's admission to the EU.
A logical question follows: Can a piece of land which is not considered a "country" join the EU?

Iran is next to recognize the albanian land of kosova.

Ian I dont have to go to Germany to form myself an opinion about Germans. I have been to Auschwitz, thats enough.
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:34)

So you're going to judge all Germans today, based on a terrible crime that was committed by a very small amount of Germans almost 70 years ago? Despite the fact that most Germans today weren't alive when it happened and that when it was happening the vast majority of Germans didn't know it was happening. Don't you think that is a bit of a pathetic way to base a judgement of all Germans on?

I think that you'll find that Germans are some of the nicest people in the world and they're as disgusted of the crimes committed during the Holocaust as you and I.

The same can not be said about Serbia when it comes to the crimes against humanity committed in its name during the 90's

So you compare killing tens of millions of people with defending your country and people in a civil war?The total numbers of casualties during the war 91-95 is about 250 000 people of which about 85 000 were serb civilians, where is the justice for those people?Why dont u ask the muslims and the croats to condemn what they did?Why dont u ask the croats to condemn the ethnic cleansing of more than 250 000 serbs from Krajina?I´ll tell you why, because they were your allies during ww2 and even succeded you in form of the terror methods they used to slaugher serb civilians at Jasenovac.

Kosovo is a part of Serbia. Dont forget, Avri!

Even if Serbia agrees I think Russia will not let this go easily. Russia wants something in return.
And that will probably be: recognition of Akhazia and Ossetia.

Russia will keep linking these issues.

Does not, and will never!

Guys what's the big deal? Nikolic is a nationalist, of course he should make such statements to save his face especially after agreeing to a de facto recognition of Kosovo by Serbia.
I don't see a good reason for the huge focus on any articles related to Kosovo. It shouldn't attract that much attention. How does it affect any of your lives?

Stealing Christian lands in Kosovo should not be rewarded! Good move Serbia. Never recognize the theft of your territory.
(MikeC, 26 September 2013 18:23)

See even in the heart of Europe we have backwards religious fundamentalist like MikeC above. In case you were living under a rock; it was never about religion. I am an atheist, and Albanian. Serbia is still in the wrong; especially since Serb themselves are not originally from the balkans and hence they must have stolen someone else's land. If Serbs are OK with stealing someone else's land then you have no right to complain about others stealing the land you yourselves stole.

Also how does dirt and mud (land) become christian?

Wow, Tomislav must be holding his head now, four recognitions within two days of his speech. (Two withing 2 hours and two the next day) Poor man, he must be thinking where did I go wrong during my speech in UN. Keep him in Serbia as he is a disaster to the world. I have said this before and remember once for all that no serbian politician is a match for Thaçi. 105 countries recognised and some serbs still think Kosovo is not a state. You have to be on a bad coma not to realize it. Ups wait a sec... few other countries said they're on the way to recognise Kosovo also on the coming days just waiting for formalities before making it official.

Been to Balkans and loved Serbia. Other countries are great but can't compare to Serbia. Far from a failed state. Educated people, everybody speaks English, unbelievable food. Belgrade is a treasure gem of Europe, full of life and energy Loved It!! Did not expect to much before I went there, but when I got there loved the people,they are very social, loud and fun. Beautiful country, long history, not that rich but who can blame them, as people they went through a lot. Hope all the best for them! Go there and see it for your self!

...You and your germans cold-bloodedly murderered millions of people without getting punished for it, who are you to lecture someone else?Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2, you only changed your methods. You will always go down as the worst murderers and barbarians in the history of mankind...

Actually Hitler's regime (as opposed to "Germans'), according to the book Death by Government, comes in at third, after Stalin and Mao respectively. Incidentally, Tito comes in at 9th.

Update to Nicolic's fight to prevent Kovo's international recognition. Thailand just announced that it recognized Kosovo, and so much for Nicolic's hopeless stance to prevent Kosovo's international recognition. Three countries did it in the last 2 days, and all this happened, while he made a fool of hinself in the Un once more .... when does this man ever learn ....

Kosovo doesn't care what Serbia says.
(Avni, 26 September 2013 22:14)
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No, but Russia and China do and they are on Serbia's side.

sj,
While you are drawing the picture, why not fill in all the colors, like when it comes to the point that most likely China will follow their tradition and abstain from voting, and Russia will in the end trade their vote for something they want.

That's a complete lie, of course they knew. They weren´t living in caves were they?Millions of people hailed Hitler when he held his speaches but of course "they didn´t know" right?Please dont give me that crap.
(Daniel, 27 September 2013 00:16)

No, they didn't know that the mass extermination of millions of people was happening. Saying "Hail Hitler" doesn't mean that you are Psychic. The Allied forces didn't know about the mass extermination of millions of people until American soldiers came across an Extermination Camp in 1944. Are you somehow suggesting that everyone in Germany knew that the mass extermination of Millions of people was happening but Allied intelligence was so crap they didn't know it was happening until 1944?

(eric, 28 September 2013 17:47)


The problem with you Albanians is that the majority are just like parrots repeating cliques about freedom and democracy but not understanding the fundamentals of what a country needs to function and when it all becomes too hard you draw on the old and trusted term of genocide. You have no idea what it means but use it anyway as if Serbs are going to lose sleep. Your KLA and Thaci killed more Albanians for the CIA than the Serbs did during the war.

Kosovo cannot function on its own and the EU gives you all the money to run the police, judiciary (now that a joke in itself) administration etc. Now the EU wants to ease its burden so its plan is for Kosovo to integrate with Serbian industry. If you think that’s funny then how many industries have the west brought to Kosovo since 1999? NOTHING.

Kosovo will never be allowed to join the UN cos Russia andChina say so.Stop dreaming albos, you'll never join the eu,they dont want any more muslim beggars they have enough turks already.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 September 2013 18:22)

Gotsef,

Apparently you have not checked your facts in quite some time, but Turkey has a much higher standard of living than both Russia and China as well as, most certainly, Serbia. You should really try to stay up to date when making such comments so as not to end up causing yourself public embarrassment.

Iran is next to recognize the albanian land of kosova.
(Bridge, 26 September 2013 19:54)

Albanian land?
I was told that Kosovo was a postmodern, post-ethnic state... And now suddenly you start talking about it being Albanian?

Hope someone at UN and at EU is reading this!

Gotsef,

Apparently you have not checked your facts in quite some time, but Turkey has a much higher standard of living than both Russia and China as well as, most certainly, Serbia. You should really try to stay up to date when making such comments so as not to end up causing yourself public embarrassment.
(The Count of Kosova, 27 September 2013 01:13)

Turkey's GDP per Capita is nearly twice as low as Russia's, TR - $18,348, RU - $23,501, but I still don't see what the Turkish living standard has to do with Russia and China refusing to recognize Kosovo, lol. I don't know if Albos are aware but a lot of the 104 recognitions were against the will of the people living in those countries, such as Bulgaria, Macedonia, Montenegro, Czech Republic, Poland and various other European countries, some of them on the verge of a revolution, I wouldn't be surprised to see them withdraw their recognition. As for Spain, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Cyprus, Greece, Azerbaijan and Georgia they obviously won't recognize Kosovo as they have similar problems.

"I am Sorry but if if you didn't know that we been recognised by all other powerful contries just for your information.
(Dardani-USAlbania)"

Dardani, I`d be gratefull if you could name those powerful countries you mentioned. As far as I know, Russia and China would never allowed secession any part of Serbia. Do not ignore.

The truth is that Kosovo wants to separate illegally from Serbia. That happened in 1998 when Serbia was bombed by US an NATO. At that time China and especially Russia where weak, but today Russia and China are two of the three supper powers and there is no way that as long China and Russia exist that Kosovo can ligally seperate. There are another 95 countries that don't and probobly never will recognize Kosovo. Serbia is doing a great job and I must say for such a small country they have a lot of strength and will power. Also Kosovo will never will be able to function as normal country because they will never have the same rights as legal countries. Another thing is that Kosovo has really poor and uneducated population and is the centre for crime and drug selling and smuggling to EU, and without Serbia controlling that territory there must be international presence at all times and that also costs a lot of money, also not mentioning all the money that EU would need to invest in Kosovo to improve their standard of living. EU will reliaze that it is just to much of a trouble.

why do you care if kosovo can't function or not....at least is free from the country that committed genocide..right??

Despite the fact that most Germans today weren't alive when it happened and that when it was happening the vast majority of Germans didn't know it was happening

Thats a complete lie, of course they knew. They weren´t living in caves were they?Millions of people hailed Hitler when he held his speaches but of course "they didn´t know" right?Please dont give me that crap.

(Dardani-USAlbania, 26 September 2013 21:40)

The Albanian simpletons still haven’t worked it out so I must draw them a picture. This is how it works – Serbia will live up to its agreement and not object to Kosovo joining international institutions, but China and Russia will veto any such applications.

Being recognised by Grenada, a US controlled island, and Libya is nothing to jump up in the air – the so called Libyan Government controls about 2 or 3 kilometres in Benghazi and nothing more, much like the Green Zone in Bagdad. The US Ambassador cant move a millimetre without a convoy of contractors protecting him, so much for Libya.

It Belgrade’s recognition that you yearn for and will never get.

Iran is next to recognize the albanian land of kosova.
(Bridge, 26 September 2013 19:54)

Albanian land?
I was told that Kosovo was a postmodern, post-ethnic state... And now suddenly you start talking about it being Albanian?

Hope someone at UN and at EU is reading this!

Ian I dont have to go to Germany to form myself an opinion about Germans. I have been to Auschwitz, thats enough.
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:34)

Ah, OK, you visited Auschwitz and saw that nothing had changed since WWII and the Nazi's were still there exterminating people...

Just wanted to confirm whether you saw that live or it was a tape from WWII times?

South Africa hasn't recognized Kosovo, and won't due to it being tied down to the BRICS alliance, I don't blame for being in the BRICS if they had to be colonized again, they weren't going to choose the same Anglo-Saxon colonizer now would they, they would try someone knew. South Africa is the only country on that continent which actually matters, failed or failing states like Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Tanzania, Nigeria (which is on the verge of exploding into a full blown ethnic/religious conflict and could end up like the next Sudan) are nothing to be jumping up about, when either China, Russia, South Africa, Brazil, India, or even Serbia recognize Kosovo then its something otherwise its nothing.

The truth is that Kosovo wants to separate illegally from Serbia. That happened in 1998 when Serbia was bombed by US an NATO. At that time China and especially Russia where weak, but today Russia and China are two of the three supper powers and there is no way that as long China and Russia exist that Kosovo can ligally seperate. There are another 95 countries that don't and probobly never will recognize Kosovo. Serbia is doing a great job and I must say for such a small country they have a lot of strength and will power. Also Kosovo will never will be able to function as normal country because they will never have the same rights as legal countries. Another thing is that Kosovo has really poor and uneducated population and is the centre for crime and drug selling and smuggling to EU, and without Serbia controlling that territory there must be international presence at all times and that also costs a lot of money, also not mentioning all the money that EU would need to invest in Kosovo to improve their standard of living. EU will reliaze that it is just to much of a trouble.

Serbia is doing a great job and I must say for such a small country they have a lot of strength and will power.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Of course and Kosovo wishes its neighbor country Serbia all best of luck in doing a great job. No country, Kosovo included, would like to have a failed state as a neighbor.
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Also Kosovo will never will be able to function as normal country because they will never have the same rights as legal countries.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Not sure what this means, but certainly it's not going to convince Kosovo to go back under Serbia where it would have even less rights.
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Another thing is that Kosovo has really poor and uneducated population and is the centre for crime and drug selling and smuggling to EU
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Ok, so Serbia must be happy of having got rid off such a black hole
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and without Serbia controlling that territory there must be international presence at all times and that also costs a lot of money, also not mentioning all the money that EU would need to invest in Kosovo to improve their standard of living. EU will reliaze that it is just to much of a trouble.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Are you seriously saying that a failed state like Serbia who can't even feed itself will be able to invest much more money in Kosovo in order to improve the standard of living there?!!!

Being recognised by Grenada, a US controlled island, and Libya is nothing to jump up in the air – the so called Libyan Government controls about 2 or 3 kilometres in Benghazi and nothing more, much like the Green Zone in Bagdad. The US Ambassador cant move a millimetre without a convoy of contractors protecting him, so much for Libya.

It Belgrade’s recognition that you yearn for and will never get.
(sj, 27 September 2013 00:17)



I am Sorry but if if you didn't know that we been recognised by all other powerful contries just for your information.

The truth is that Kosovo wants to separate illegally from Serbia.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Of course, Kosovo violated Serbia law by declaring independence. But it did nothing more than following Serbia's example which also violated Turkey's law when it declared independence.
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That happened in 1998 when Serbia was bombed by US an NATO. At that time China and especially Russia where weak but today Russia and China are two of the three supper powers
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Hmmm, when Russia was weak in 1999 it actually sent its soldiers to Kosovo and tried to actually help Serbs with actions. Later on, when Russia became powerful it withdrew its soldiers from Kosovo and has only helped Serbs with words in exchange for poor Serbia paying a high price (see NIS which was given away to Russia for a fistful of Euros)
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and there is no way that as long China and Russia exist that Kosovo can ligally seperate.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

But Kosovo is already legally (according to int'l law) separated from Serbia. What are Russia and China doing to revert that, beside issuing statements ?!
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There are another 95 countries that don't and probobly never will recognize Kosovo.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Well, there are other 100+ that do recognize it. Are you saying that Kosovo should happily go back under Serbia because some countries have not said whether they recognize it or not yet ?!

They won’t as it’s in their interest not to do so...
(sj, 28 September 2013 05:22)

Exactly, they don't do it when it's not in their interest to do so and they do it when it is in their interest to do so. We have a lot of examples from the past for both the "do" and "don't".
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What’s happened to Syria? Why has Russia or China not buckled under western pressure?
(sj, 28 September 2013 05:22)

Ha, ha, ha! Here is another naive that really believes that US/West care about the Syrians being slaughtered by Assad! Mate, only Serbs believe that support or pressure is done with words. That's why they call Russia their greatest ally (because of words of support) and that's why some naives believe that US is putting pressure to Russia (because of words to that effect). The US does not want Russia to buckle; why on Earth would US help Russia improve Russia's image in the Arab world ?!
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Oh how is the US economy going? Last time I heard it’s another 2 trillion of borrowings on the way. So what will that make? 130% of GDP LOL. With real unemployment levels at 23% to 26%. When are is the US coming back as a super power again? In the next decade or is it two??
Kosovo’s time is over mate
(sj, 28 September 2013 05:22)

Exactly, so I'm just wondering what are the superpowers (Russia and China) waiting to act on their top national priority: i.e. Kosovo ?!

“Exactly, they don't do it when it's not in their interest to do so and they do it when it is in their interest to do so. We have a lot of examples from the past for both the "do" and "don't".

Ask the US because its done the same many times since WW2.

“Ha, ha, ha! Here is another naive that really believes that US/West care about the Syrians being slaughtered by Assad! Mate, ...”

What are you on? Do you actually keep up with evens or is your head up your arse permentramly 24/7? If the US/West did not care why are they arming the rebels mate? What on humanitarian grounds? Russia’s image is far ahead of the US in the Arab world. How many contracts have the US managed to get in Iraq since winning that war? NOTHING AT AL so why did they even bother?

“Exactly, so I'm just wondering what are the superpowers (Russia and China) waiting to act on their top national priority: i.e. Kosovo?!

They are letting it rot on the vine. It’s not going anywhere soon. But what are your western friends doing to ease the 75% unemployment rate in Kosovo? When will ford move some of its operations to Pristina?

They are letting it rot on the vine. It’s not going anywhere soon. But what are your western friends doing to ease the 75% unemployment rate in Kosovo? When will ford move some of its operations to Pristina?
(sj, 30 September 2013 13:02)

sj, what have I told you about making up figures?

Kosovo has an unemployment rate of 38.7% not 75% as you falsely claimed. Just like the UK has an unemployment rate of 7.7% not 20% as you falsely claimed.

You need to bare in mind that the unemployment rate in Kosovo is less than 38.7% when you minus Northern Kosovo.

Kosovo does have a poor unemployment rate but Kosovo's unemployment rate is a lot better than it was in 2007 when unemployment stood at 48%.

While you are drawing the picture, why not fill in all the colors, like when it comes to the point that most likely China will follow their tradition and abstain from voting, and Russia will in the end trade their vote for something they want.
(pss, 27 September 2013 11:42)

You have been hanging your hat on this for a long time and so far it’s not happening. They won’t as it’s in their interest not to do so. . What’s happened to Syria? Why has Russia or China not buckled under western pressure?
Oh how is the US economy going? Last time I heard it’s another 2 trillion of borrowings on the way. So what will that make? 130% of GDP LOL. With real unemployment levels at 23% to 26%. When are is the US coming back as a super power again? In the next decade or is it two??
Kosovo’s time is over mate

" Serbia as stated by the hague tribunal had no guilt in the wars in bosnia whatsoever."

(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:32)


Daniel,

Since when do you not consider the Hague Tribunal a "kangaroo court". You can't have it both ways!
Just saying.

Are you somehow suggesting that everyone in Germany knew that the mass extermination of Millions of people was happening but Allied intelligence was so crap they didn't know it was happening until 1944?
(Ian, UK, 27 September 2013 13:05)
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Didn't anyone wonder what happened to the Jews all of a sudden?
They were there seeing the Jews having to wear the star on their clothes first and then been taken away. Don't tell me you wouldn't see this happening in your neighbourhood?
So many neighbourhoods and so little seen.

Didn't anyone wonder what happened to the Jews all of a sudden?
They were there seeing the Jews having to wear the star on their clothes first and then been taken away. Don't tell me you wouldn't see this happening in your neighbourhood?
So many neighbourhoods and so little seen.
(Peggy, 29 September 2013 03:09)

I was talking about the extermination of millions of people (not just Jews) by the Nazi State, I wasn't reffering to the wider anti-Jewish policies of the Nazis.

Yes, people will have seen the Jews rounded up and taken away, but people who witnessed this wouldn't know that they'd end up in gas chambers.

Seeing people taken away doesn't mean that you all of a sudden know that Auschwitz and other Death Camps exist.

(Ian, UK, 30 September 2013 13:58)

For Kosovo to have 38.7% unemployment is defying even the laws of gravity let alone storytelling.

Let me tell you how the world works. The US officially claims an unemployment level of 7.3%. Most US academics (including Nobel Prize winners from Yale and Harvard, Princeton etc) agree that the real level is anywhere between 23% and 26% while others say it more closer to 30% and the difference is what information is used in calculate that figure. To obtain single digit levels of unemployment in the US they don’t include long-term unemployment figures so if you have been collecting social security more than 6 months you are officially no longer classified as unemployed.

The same method is used in the UK. If you have lost nearly 1 million jobs from government and you think your level of unemployment is only 7.7% then think again. Australia’s official level is 5.8% but in reality its more like 13%.

Kosovo is predominantly a rural society with very little industry. Pristina claims it has 65% of its workforce in service industries so considering its income is small to say the least where is it getting it funds from? The EU props up Kosovo 100%.

(sj, 1 October 2013 00:39)

Unemployment in the UK is 7.7% of the available working population.

Of course that figure is higher if you include the retired, those in full time Education, illegal immigrants, infants, prisoners, disabled (physically/ mentally unable to work), aristocracy, the deceased ect.

That is the same definition used to calculate unemployment from before the 2008 economic crisis.

So yes, in real terms, the figure is higher; but like everyone else, we only calculate unemployment amongst those who are available and able to work.

So yes, in real terms, the figure is higher; but like everyone else, we only calculate unemployment amongst those who are available and able to work.
(Ian, UK, 2 October 2013 20:09)

That's not fair. Only Russia, Serbia, China or countries that have not recognized Kosovo are entitled to calculate unemployment as you described it above. Everybody else which has recognized Kosovo should compute it as the CE of B92 forums sj says.

Most US academics (including Nobel Prize winners from Yale and Harvard, Princeton etc) agree that the real level is anywhere between 23% and 26% while others say it more closer to 30% and the difference is what information is used in calculate that figure.
(sj, 1 October 2013 00:39)

Hold on there. The only academics I trust are the ones that another sj who is the CE of B92 forums, trusts, and they are the Chinese and Malaysian academics. Let's not forget that sj's analysis has shown that China is the only superpower today and the most advanced country in the world.
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The same method is used in the UK. If you have lost nearly 1 million jobs from government and you think your level of unemployment is only 7.7% then think again. Australia’s official level is 5.8% but in reality its more like 13%.
(sj, 1 October 2013 00:39)

I wonder what the unemployment in Serbia is if we apply these laws of measuring it, or different laws apply to Serbia, Russia, etc ?! Btw, do you publish these real unemployment numbers somewhere ? I want to use them when I decide to buy/sell in the stock market so I can make a lot of money by using something that most of the rest of traders don't know.

(icj1, 2 October 2013 05:14)

When are you planting your money tree? Next Spring? Now go and deliver your pizzas.

When are you planting your money tree? Next Spring? Now go and deliver your pizzas.
(sj, 2 October 2013 13:25)

Very soon thanks to your excellent news sources. You know that the only way to make money in the stock market and not have to deliver pizzas anymore is to trade on information that nobody else has and the information that you have is unique which is why I'm your greatest admirer in these forums as you've noticed from my posts.

So yes, in real terms, the figure is higher; but like everyone else, we only calculate unemployment amongst those who are available and able to work.
(Ian, UK, 2 October 2013 20:09)
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And like in Australia I am sure they have counted the part time and casual workers as employed.
As long as you work 15 hours a week you are not counted as unemployed, even though you can't survive on that.

And like in Australia I am sure they have counted the part time and casual workers as employed.
As long as you work 15 hours a week you are not counted as unemployed, even though you can't survive on that.
(Peggy, 3 October 2013 05:08)

Well, they are working therefore they are employed because they have a job and are earning money. My friend only works 18 hours a week (six hours a day three days a week), but that is her choice and she has a comfortable life and if she was living on her own it'd probably not be enough to live on. She could work full time if she wanted to but she doesn't want to. She has a job, she pays taxes and she is earning money. Why should she be considered unemployed?

My mother before she retired was a community nurse and she only worked part time. She did this for over 30 years. During this period, should she have been considered to be unemployed?

I understand that some people want to work full time but the only work available is a part time job. I understand they want to be earning more money (don't we all), but if they have a job and they are working and earning money, then they are employed.

Seeing people taken away doesn't mean that you all of a sudden know that Auschwitz and other Death Camps exist.
(Ian, UK, 30 September 2013 13:50)
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With all that anti Jewish sentiment I am sure people thought they were being taken on a picnic.

I'm sorry but you don't decide the life of Albanians in Kosovo no more...Kosovo will be in UN before you get in EU..mark words...Serbia needs to stop interfering in Kosovo or the west will put sanctions on you..oh wait the EU is doing it..well learn your lesson before you end up like North Korea...Serbia needs to understand that no one will allow you to create another RS in Kosovo..it's a done deal. The 90s are gone and you need to move on..the west is tired of you..so is the world.

From the land where black is white and aggressor is victim, Nikolic is trying to convince UN members that he can square the circle. What nonsense this gravedigger spouts! How quickly Toma has forgotten that Serbia agreed, in April, not to obstruct Kosova from joining the UN and other international organizations.

Nothing new from Serbia, the same old lies, the same old comments from a failed state which remains tangeled up in its bloody past.
(Willi Pfaff, 26 September 2013 10:23)

LOL, a german talking about a "bloody past". Maybe you should clean up your mess first dont u think?You and your germans cold-bloodedly murderered millions of people without getting punished for it, who are you to lecture someone else?Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2, you only changed your methods. You will always go down as the worst murderers and barbarians in the history of mankind, thats something that noone can take away from you. I hope you are proud of that. If there was any justice Germany should have been completely levelled with the ground as a punishment for all the atrocities you committed. Completely levelled with the ground and no right to speak and a lifetime ban from the european community would be a proper punishmen. Can you even imagine how monstruos you and your people are?Slaughtering 10s of millions of innocent people. ARBEIT MACHT FREI Willy right?Remember your idols slogan?

US installed puppet regime in Libya and Grenada that is why they recognize Kosovo.

Nothing new from Serbia, the same old lies, the same old comments from a failed state which remains tangeled up in its bloody past.

The fact that there are so many albanians on this site feeling the need to claim KiM as "independent" proves that it is not and it is merely a disputed territory. How many Serbs do we see on this site claiming that Serbia is independent, or Croats for Croatia or Albanians for Albania.

How can a president of a country wanting to build respect after it had been destroyed, stand up before the world and flat out lie. Dick Marty by his own words proved nothing, he said that it warranted further investigation, the European Council agreed to more investigation, no one other than Serbia has said anything has been proven.

The fact that there are so many albanians on this site feeling the need to claim KiM as "independent" proves that it is not and it is merely a disputed territory. How many Serbs do we see on this site claiming that Serbia is independent, or Croats for Croatia or Albanians for Albania.
(Robert1899, 26 September 2013 12:23)

Why do all serbs and their politicians claim Kosova is part of serbia, every single day?
That means is NOT.

For once he has made some valid comments but obviously, by stating that Serbia has never fought an agresive war, he must either be suffering from dementia or he is in denial.
Srebrenica, Kosovo, Mostar and Sarajevo to mention but a few acts of Serb aggresion should never be forgottaen.
(T, 26 September 2013 14:24)

Serbia fought terrorists in Kosovo, as for Srebrenica and Mostar no serb army ever fought in Mostar and Serbia as stated by the hague tribunal had no guilt in the wars in bosnia whatsoever. Why dont u mention that it was Croatia that started the aggression on Bosnia by attacking Prijedor and Derventa. Thats not interesting to you right?Last but not least 92-95 bosnian muslims commanded by Naser Oric slaughtered more than 3500 serb civilians in the enklaves surrounding Srebrenica of which more than 200 were brutally slaughted on christmas day. But again those were only serbs, that they were women, elders and Children obviously doesnt make a difference to a fanatic like yourself.

What a speech! I hope Toma was notified that another recognition came in from Grenada, while he was spewing lies at UNGA.

Ian I dont have to go to Germany to form myself an opinion about Germans. I have been to Auschwitz, thats enough.

The same can not be said about Serbia when it comes to the crimes against humanity committed in its name during the 90's

So you compare killing tens of millions of people with defending your country and people in a civil war?The total numbers of casualties during the war 91-95 is about 250 000 people of which about 85 000 were serb civilians, where is the justice for those people?Why dont u ask the muslims and the croats to condemn what they did?Why dont u ask the croats to condemn the ethnic cleansing of more than 250 000 serbs from Krajina?I´ll tell you why, because they were your allies during ww2 and even succeded you in form of the terror methods they used to slaugher serb civilians at Jasenovac.

It is defacto! Dejan pavicevic proves it's defacto! it's soon to be de Jure. you have an ambassador liaison officer border guards customs agents meetings conferences rokcec logo on ballots pristina appointed police chiefs and Albanian deputies Serbia agreed Kosovo would have a international calling code. Serbia is the number one implementer of Kosovo independence in the world

President Nikolic is right. The most important think is that Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo in any way. Who know, 50 years from now, geopolitical situation might be completely different.

Kosovo will never be allowed to join the UN cos Russia andChina say so.Stop dreaming albos, you'll never join the eu,they dont want any more muslim beggars they have enough turks already.

Stealing Christian lands in Kosovo should not be rewarded! Good move Serbia. Never recognize the theft of your territory.

“According to him, "Serbia will fully implement the agreement - but that in no way means that Serbia intends to accept Kosovo's membership in the UN and other international organizations, initiatives and forums, that can be joined only by sovereign states." “

Of course, that’s stating the obvious because it’s not in Serbia’s power to accept or not accept Kosovo's accession to the UN until the UN Charter changes to make Serbia a permanent member of UNSC. In addition, there are several examples of non-sovereign states being UN members, so I really don’t get what Tomislav is talking about.
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“He appealed for the mandate of UNMIK to remain unchanged, for its size to stay the same and for its activities to be intensified. “

Sorry, but how can the activities be intensified with the same staff?! The staff would need to increase and who’s going to pay for it? A failed state like Serbia?!
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“"Council of Europe rapporteur Dick Marty proved, and the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe confirmed, that some of the current ethnic Albanian leaders in Kosovo had organized kidnappings and murders of Serbs whose organs were then taken out and sold," Nikolić said. “

Alleged crimes are proved by the prosecution in indictments not in reports; that’s how it works in the civilized world. Not sure how it works in Serbia…

While Toma was speaking in UN,two more recognisions come yestarday for Kosovo.Grenada and Lybia have recognised Kosovo,becoming the 104 and 105th state to recognise Kosovo as independent.Grendada even signed the diplomatic relationship agreement with Kosovo while Lybia will do it next few weeks.

During late 1980s and early 1990s I have misjudged the nonserbs and I have thought they have exaggetared their suffering dealing with serbs.
But after Sebrenica and specially after 1999 I always say,Gol bless people in YU who used to deal with serbs!
The serbian comentators in this site just help me to think that my opinion is right.
Take Kosovo for example.They know they have lost and Kosovo never will be Serbia again, and they are doing everything in their power to make the life of albanians more difficult,icluding not letting them play soccer( please spare me with the justification that albanians can play soccer for Serbia,because they don't want and you have to respect that).
So I can imagine what albanians and nonserbs have suffered when serbs were really in charge and used to rule YU and Kosovo.
As for serbs themselves I wish God have mercy on you!

“Serbia is "still convinced" the UN has to be involved in the investigation, Nikolić noted.
He also commented on the work of the Hague Tribunal (ICTY) and said the court had abused its mandate given by the UN Security Council, undermined the reconciliation process in the former Yugoslavia and compromised the idea of an international criminal justice system.”

Sorry, but there is a contradiction. On one side the UN has to be involved and on the other side when the UN is indeed involved, Tomislav calls it abuse of mandate. Serbs, please make up your mind!
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“Nikolić congratulated the newly elected president of the UN General Assembly, John William Ashe, and his predecessor, Vuk Jeremić, adding that Jeremić had represented Serbia well while remaining unbiased and professional during his one-year term as the president of the General Assembly.”

Sorry again, but there is a contradiction (btw, does anybody check Tomislav’s speeches)? Vuk representing Serbia is really opposite to “remaining unbiased”, because representing Serbia certainly does not mean representing all the rest of the world – it means favoring (or being biased in favor of) Serbia. Tomislav is really ignorant to the fact that, in theory, Vuk is a UN official and represents no country, the same way that Ban does not represent South Korea. But obviously both Vuk and Tomislav have no idea what being president of UNGA actually means!.

Why do K-Albanians need a seat at the UN? For a drunkard to drop his pents at the assembly? "Kosovo-diplomats" are already famous and louche for their behaving in the countries they've been recognized by.

@ Daniel

I think your unquilfied and hateful comments speak for itself. Germany is a country which reflectes on its bloody past, and changed completly. The present Germany has nothing in common with Nazi Germany, except that we accepted the fact that in the name of Germany the most horrible crimes were committed in its name by the Nazi's The same can not be said about Serbia when it comes to the crimes against humanity committed in its name during the 90's. Nicolic being the president of Serbia now, would be the same as if an ex Nazi would be the chancellor of Germany, which would be impossible here. That alone says a lot ..... P.S. besides Grenada, Libya also recognized Kosovo while he held his speech at the UN General Assembly, and if I remember correcly the serbian foreign minister said just a few weeks ago, that Libya would never do that.

Willi,

You are a hypocrite.

You spread hate-filled comments here and you judge others for the same. Your use of collective guilt is absurd and just plain ignorance.

You have no first-hand knowledge of the war in the Balkans (other than what Roberto from frisco aka the wanna be journalist) told you.

The childish and often unprofessional articles and comments you and little Roberto(and Ian) post on your kosovo-net web page reveals your total lack of objectivity and a pathological fixation with Serbia.

I think your unquilfied and hateful comments speak for themselves, too.

For once he has made some valid comments but obviously, by stating that Serbia has never fought an agresive war, he must either be suffering from dementia or he is in denial.
Srebrenica, Kosovo, Mostar and Sarajevo to mention but a few acts of Serb aggresion should never be forgotten.

Iran is next to recognize the albanian land of kosova.

Strange to see so many Albanian commentators on Serbia portals... Probably trying to convence us of something...

@Eric

Ok you say that "Kosovo" will be in UN, but you aren't saying how? Sanctions will be pointless, since its not Serbia that is preventing "Kosovo" from joining, but Russia and China. Maybe "the west" will implement sanction on them? Haha, somehow i just don't that happening.

Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2
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SMH

Kosovo doesn't care what Serbia says.

Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 12:00)

Have you ever been to Germany?

I don't know why I'm asking that question because if you had been to Germany, you wouldn't be making such statements.

US installed puppet regime in Libya and Grenada that is why they recognize Kosovo.
(gagi, 26 September 2013 18:09)

If they're US puppet regimes, then why has it taken them so long to recognise Kosovo? The US invaded Grenada 30 years ago. Why would it take a puppet regime 5 and half years to carry out their master's order?

The Gaddafi regime was overthrown two years ago, it doesn't take to years to extend formal diplomatic recognition.

If Grenada and Libya are US puppets, then they're certainly not very good puppet states!

Russia and china will not be more Serb than Serbia. They will only veto if Serbia speaks against allowing Kosov in the UN. If Serbia is Becomes true to their world they will not stop Kosovs euro integration as they agreed .

Serbia will eventually recognise Kosovo because Serbia will join the EU without Kosovo, it'll then have to impose visa restrictions on Kosovo citizens and the border with Kosovo will be an EU's external border. Am I not right? Moreover, Serbia agreed not to hinder Kosovo's admission to the EU.
A logical question follows: Can a piece of land which is not considered a "country" join the EU?

The fact is that Germany and its people never got punished for what they did during ww2 and you want the serbs to be punished in absurdum for a war in which atrocities were committed by all sides. Logical isn´t it?And by the way if you hate us so much why do u even bother to come to a serb site on a Daily basis do you really think that your lies and propaganda are interesting to us?
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:27)
And did you suddenly appear on earth in the last 2 years or was information flowing in and out of Yugoslavia that censored. Germany was occupied by foreign powers after being totally destroyed infrastructurally (we are not talking a few buildings like in Serbia. They had to start a government from scratch and were divided by a wall for 50 years. And you call that they were never punished.
So if there is a move to do that to Serbia you would be ok with it as it is not really punishment. You need to stop the "poor little me attitude" Serbia has not been treated badly in relation to its crimes.
The difference is Germany has admitted its role in crimes it committed and have moved forward, Serbia never will unless it follows suit.

Most of the diplomats at UN were sleeping during Nicolic's speech. If you want to know if Toma made any sense yesterday, the two recogintions yesterday and one today explains this best.
Few more to come in the coming days. We tell you as they come, you keep counting for us.

Kosovo is a part of Serbia. Dont forget, Avri!

...You and your germans cold-bloodedly murderered millions of people without getting punished for it, who are you to lecture someone else?Germany hasnt changed a bit since ww2, you only changed your methods. You will always go down as the worst murderers and barbarians in the history of mankind...

Actually Hitler's regime (as opposed to "Germans'), according to the book Death by Government, comes in at third, after Stalin and Mao respectively. Incidentally, Tito comes in at 9th.

Ian I dont have to go to Germany to form myself an opinion about Germans. I have been to Auschwitz, thats enough.
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:34)

So you're going to judge all Germans today, based on a terrible crime that was committed by a very small amount of Germans almost 70 years ago? Despite the fact that most Germans today weren't alive when it happened and that when it was happening the vast majority of Germans didn't know it was happening. Don't you think that is a bit of a pathetic way to base a judgement of all Germans on?

I think that you'll find that Germans are some of the nicest people in the world and they're as disgusted of the crimes committed during the Holocaust as you and I.

"I am Sorry but if if you didn't know that we been recognised by all other powerful contries just for your information.
(Dardani-USAlbania)"

Dardani, I`d be gratefull if you could name those powerful countries you mentioned. As far as I know, Russia and China would never allowed secession any part of Serbia. Do not ignore.

The truth is that Kosovo wants to separate illegally from Serbia. That happened in 1998 when Serbia was bombed by US an NATO. At that time China and especially Russia where weak, but today Russia and China are two of the three supper powers and there is no way that as long China and Russia exist that Kosovo can ligally seperate. There are another 95 countries that don't and probobly never will recognize Kosovo. Serbia is doing a great job and I must say for such a small country they have a lot of strength and will power. Also Kosovo will never will be able to function as normal country because they will never have the same rights as legal countries. Another thing is that Kosovo has really poor and uneducated population and is the centre for crime and drug selling and smuggling to EU, and without Serbia controlling that territory there must be international presence at all times and that also costs a lot of money, also not mentioning all the money that EU would need to invest in Kosovo to improve their standard of living. EU will reliaze that it is just to much of a trouble.

Guys what's the big deal? Nikolic is a nationalist, of course he should make such statements to save his face especially after agreeing to a de facto recognition of Kosovo by Serbia.
I don't see a good reason for the huge focus on any articles related to Kosovo. It shouldn't attract that much attention. How does it affect any of your lives?

Update to Nicolic's fight to prevent Kovo's international recognition. Thailand just announced that it recognized Kosovo, and so much for Nicolic's hopeless stance to prevent Kosovo's international recognition. Three countries did it in the last 2 days, and all this happened, while he made a fool of hinself in the Un once more .... when does this man ever learn ....

Even if Serbia agrees I think Russia will not let this go easily. Russia wants something in return.
And that will probably be: recognition of Akhazia and Ossetia.

Russia will keep linking these issues.

Being recognised by Grenada, a US controlled island, and Libya is nothing to jump up in the air – the so called Libyan Government controls about 2 or 3 kilometres in Benghazi and nothing more, much like the Green Zone in Bagdad. The US Ambassador cant move a millimetre without a convoy of contractors protecting him, so much for Libya.

It Belgrade’s recognition that you yearn for and will never get.
(sj, 27 September 2013 00:17)



I am Sorry but if if you didn't know that we been recognised by all other powerful contries just for your information.

While you are drawing the picture, why not fill in all the colors, like when it comes to the point that most likely China will follow their tradition and abstain from voting, and Russia will in the end trade their vote for something they want.
(pss, 27 September 2013 11:42)

You have been hanging your hat on this for a long time and so far it’s not happening. They won’t as it’s in their interest not to do so. . What’s happened to Syria? Why has Russia or China not buckled under western pressure?
Oh how is the US economy going? Last time I heard it’s another 2 trillion of borrowings on the way. So what will that make? 130% of GDP LOL. With real unemployment levels at 23% to 26%. When are is the US coming back as a super power again? In the next decade or is it two??
Kosovo’s time is over mate

Does not, and will never!

(Dardani-USAlbania, 26 September 2013 21:40)

The Albanian simpletons still haven’t worked it out so I must draw them a picture. This is how it works – Serbia will live up to its agreement and not object to Kosovo joining international institutions, but China and Russia will veto any such applications.

Being recognised by Grenada, a US controlled island, and Libya is nothing to jump up in the air – the so called Libyan Government controls about 2 or 3 kilometres in Benghazi and nothing more, much like the Green Zone in Bagdad. The US Ambassador cant move a millimetre without a convoy of contractors protecting him, so much for Libya.

It Belgrade’s recognition that you yearn for and will never get.

Kosovo will never be allowed to join the UN cos Russia andChina say so.Stop dreaming albos, you'll never join the eu,they dont want any more muslim beggars they have enough turks already.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 September 2013 18:22)

Gotsef,

Apparently you have not checked your facts in quite some time, but Turkey has a much higher standard of living than both Russia and China as well as, most certainly, Serbia. You should really try to stay up to date when making such comments so as not to end up causing yourself public embarrassment.

Kosovo doesn't care what Serbia says.
(Avni, 26 September 2013 22:14)
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No, but Russia and China do and they are on Serbia's side.

Wow, Tomislav must be holding his head now, four recognitions within two days of his speech. (Two withing 2 hours and two the next day) Poor man, he must be thinking where did I go wrong during my speech in UN. Keep him in Serbia as he is a disaster to the world. I have said this before and remember once for all that no serbian politician is a match for Thaçi. 105 countries recognised and some serbs still think Kosovo is not a state. You have to be on a bad coma not to realize it. Ups wait a sec... few other countries said they're on the way to recognise Kosovo also on the coming days just waiting for formalities before making it official.

Despite the fact that most Germans today weren't alive when it happened and that when it was happening the vast majority of Germans didn't know it was happening

Thats a complete lie, of course they knew. They weren´t living in caves were they?Millions of people hailed Hitler when he held his speaches but of course "they didn´t know" right?Please dont give me that crap.

Iran is next to recognize the albanian land of kosova.
(Bridge, 26 September 2013 19:54)

Albanian land?
I was told that Kosovo was a postmodern, post-ethnic state... And now suddenly you start talking about it being Albanian?

Hope someone at UN and at EU is reading this!

Gotsef,

Apparently you have not checked your facts in quite some time, but Turkey has a much higher standard of living than both Russia and China as well as, most certainly, Serbia. You should really try to stay up to date when making such comments so as not to end up causing yourself public embarrassment.
(The Count of Kosova, 27 September 2013 01:13)

Turkey's GDP per Capita is nearly twice as low as Russia's, TR - $18,348, RU - $23,501, but I still don't see what the Turkish living standard has to do with Russia and China refusing to recognize Kosovo, lol. I don't know if Albos are aware but a lot of the 104 recognitions were against the will of the people living in those countries, such as Bulgaria, Macedonia, Montenegro, Czech Republic, Poland and various other European countries, some of them on the verge of a revolution, I wouldn't be surprised to see them withdraw their recognition. As for Spain, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Cyprus, Greece, Azerbaijan and Georgia they obviously won't recognize Kosovo as they have similar problems.

The truth is that Kosovo wants to separate illegally from Serbia.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Of course, Kosovo violated Serbia law by declaring independence. But it did nothing more than following Serbia's example which also violated Turkey's law when it declared independence.
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That happened in 1998 when Serbia was bombed by US an NATO. At that time China and especially Russia where weak but today Russia and China are two of the three supper powers
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Hmmm, when Russia was weak in 1999 it actually sent its soldiers to Kosovo and tried to actually help Serbs with actions. Later on, when Russia became powerful it withdrew its soldiers from Kosovo and has only helped Serbs with words in exchange for poor Serbia paying a high price (see NIS which was given away to Russia for a fistful of Euros)
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and there is no way that as long China and Russia exist that Kosovo can ligally seperate.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

But Kosovo is already legally (according to int'l law) separated from Serbia. What are Russia and China doing to revert that, beside issuing statements ?!
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There are another 95 countries that don't and probobly never will recognize Kosovo.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Well, there are other 100+ that do recognize it. Are you saying that Kosovo should happily go back under Serbia because some countries have not said whether they recognize it or not yet ?!

Serbia is doing a great job and I must say for such a small country they have a lot of strength and will power.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Of course and Kosovo wishes its neighbor country Serbia all best of luck in doing a great job. No country, Kosovo included, would like to have a failed state as a neighbor.
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Also Kosovo will never will be able to function as normal country because they will never have the same rights as legal countries.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Not sure what this means, but certainly it's not going to convince Kosovo to go back under Serbia where it would have even less rights.
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Another thing is that Kosovo has really poor and uneducated population and is the centre for crime and drug selling and smuggling to EU
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Ok, so Serbia must be happy of having got rid off such a black hole
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and without Serbia controlling that territory there must be international presence at all times and that also costs a lot of money, also not mentioning all the money that EU would need to invest in Kosovo to improve their standard of living. EU will reliaze that it is just to much of a trouble.
(Dean, 27 September 2013 21:17)

Are you seriously saying that a failed state like Serbia who can't even feed itself will be able to invest much more money in Kosovo in order to improve the standard of living there?!!!

The truth is that Kosovo wants to separate illegally from Serbia. That happened in 1998 when Serbia was bombed by US an NATO. At that time China and especially Russia where weak, but today Russia and China are two of the three supper powers and there is no way that as long China and Russia exist that Kosovo can ligally seperate. There are another 95 countries that don't and probobly never will recognize Kosovo. Serbia is doing a great job and I must say for such a small country they have a lot of strength and will power. Also Kosovo will never will be able to function as normal country because they will never have the same rights as legal countries. Another thing is that Kosovo has really poor and uneducated population and is the centre for crime and drug selling and smuggling to EU, and without Serbia controlling that territory there must be international presence at all times and that also costs a lot of money, also not mentioning all the money that EU would need to invest in Kosovo to improve their standard of living. EU will reliaze that it is just to much of a trouble.

why do you care if kosovo can't function or not....at least is free from the country that committed genocide..right??

" Serbia as stated by the hague tribunal had no guilt in the wars in bosnia whatsoever."

(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:32)


Daniel,

Since when do you not consider the Hague Tribunal a "kangaroo court". You can't have it both ways!
Just saying.

Iran is next to recognize the albanian land of kosova.
(Bridge, 26 September 2013 19:54)

Albanian land?
I was told that Kosovo was a postmodern, post-ethnic state... And now suddenly you start talking about it being Albanian?

Hope someone at UN and at EU is reading this!

Stealing Christian lands in Kosovo should not be rewarded! Good move Serbia. Never recognize the theft of your territory.
(MikeC, 26 September 2013 18:23)

See even in the heart of Europe we have backwards religious fundamentalist like MikeC above. In case you were living under a rock; it was never about religion. I am an atheist, and Albanian. Serbia is still in the wrong; especially since Serb themselves are not originally from the balkans and hence they must have stolen someone else's land. If Serbs are OK with stealing someone else's land then you have no right to complain about others stealing the land you yourselves stole.

Also how does dirt and mud (land) become christian?

Ian I dont have to go to Germany to form myself an opinion about Germans. I have been to Auschwitz, thats enough.
(Daniel, 26 September 2013 16:34)

Ah, OK, you visited Auschwitz and saw that nothing had changed since WWII and the Nazi's were still there exterminating people...

Just wanted to confirm whether you saw that live or it was a tape from WWII times?

South Africa hasn't recognized Kosovo, and won't due to it being tied down to the BRICS alliance, I don't blame for being in the BRICS if they had to be colonized again, they weren't going to choose the same Anglo-Saxon colonizer now would they, they would try someone knew. South Africa is the only country on that continent which actually matters, failed or failing states like Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Tanzania, Nigeria (which is on the verge of exploding into a full blown ethnic/religious conflict and could end up like the next Sudan) are nothing to be jumping up about, when either China, Russia, South Africa, Brazil, India, or even Serbia recognize Kosovo then its something otherwise its nothing.

Are you somehow suggesting that everyone in Germany knew that the mass extermination of Millions of people was happening but Allied intelligence was so crap they didn't know it was happening until 1944?
(Ian, UK, 27 September 2013 13:05)
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Didn't anyone wonder what happened to the Jews all of a sudden?
They were there seeing the Jews having to wear the star on their clothes first and then been taken away. Don't tell me you wouldn't see this happening in your neighbourhood?
So many neighbourhoods and so little seen.

(eric, 28 September 2013 17:47)


The problem with you Albanians is that the majority are just like parrots repeating cliques about freedom and democracy but not understanding the fundamentals of what a country needs to function and when it all becomes too hard you draw on the old and trusted term of genocide. You have no idea what it means but use it anyway as if Serbs are going to lose sleep. Your KLA and Thaci killed more Albanians for the CIA than the Serbs did during the war.

Kosovo cannot function on its own and the EU gives you all the money to run the police, judiciary (now that a joke in itself) administration etc. Now the EU wants to ease its burden so its plan is for Kosovo to integrate with Serbian industry. If you think that’s funny then how many industries have the west brought to Kosovo since 1999? NOTHING.

(Ian, UK, 30 September 2013 13:58)

For Kosovo to have 38.7% unemployment is defying even the laws of gravity let alone storytelling.

Let me tell you how the world works. The US officially claims an unemployment level of 7.3%. Most US academics (including Nobel Prize winners from Yale and Harvard, Princeton etc) agree that the real level is anywhere between 23% and 26% while others say it more closer to 30% and the difference is what information is used in calculate that figure. To obtain single digit levels of unemployment in the US they don’t include long-term unemployment figures so if you have been collecting social security more than 6 months you are officially no longer classified as unemployed.

The same method is used in the UK. If you have lost nearly 1 million jobs from government and you think your level of unemployment is only 7.7% then think again. Australia’s official level is 5.8% but in reality its more like 13%.

Kosovo is predominantly a rural society with very little industry. Pristina claims it has 65% of its workforce in service industries so considering its income is small to say the least where is it getting it funds from? The EU props up Kosovo 100%.

That's a complete lie, of course they knew. They weren´t living in caves were they?Millions of people hailed Hitler when he held his speaches but of course "they didn´t know" right?Please dont give me that crap.
(Daniel, 27 September 2013 00:16)

No, they didn't know that the mass extermination of millions of people was happening. Saying "Hail Hitler" doesn't mean that you are Psychic. The Allied forces didn't know about the mass extermination of millions of people until American soldiers came across an Extermination Camp in 1944. Are you somehow suggesting that everyone in Germany knew that the mass extermination of Millions of people was happening but Allied intelligence was so crap they didn't know it was happening until 1944?

“Exactly, they don't do it when it's not in their interest to do so and they do it when it is in their interest to do so. We have a lot of examples from the past for both the "do" and "don't".

Ask the US because its done the same many times since WW2.

“Ha, ha, ha! Here is another naive that really believes that US/West care about the Syrians being slaughtered by Assad! Mate, ...”

What are you on? Do you actually keep up with evens or is your head up your arse permentramly 24/7? If the US/West did not care why are they arming the rebels mate? What on humanitarian grounds? Russia’s image is far ahead of the US in the Arab world. How many contracts have the US managed to get in Iraq since winning that war? NOTHING AT AL so why did they even bother?

“Exactly, so I'm just wondering what are the superpowers (Russia and China) waiting to act on their top national priority: i.e. Kosovo?!

They are letting it rot on the vine. It’s not going anywhere soon. But what are your western friends doing to ease the 75% unemployment rate in Kosovo? When will ford move some of its operations to Pristina?

Didn't anyone wonder what happened to the Jews all of a sudden?
They were there seeing the Jews having to wear the star on their clothes first and then been taken away. Don't tell me you wouldn't see this happening in your neighbourhood?
So many neighbourhoods and so little seen.
(Peggy, 29 September 2013 03:09)

I was talking about the extermination of millions of people (not just Jews) by the Nazi State, I wasn't reffering to the wider anti-Jewish policies of the Nazis.

Yes, people will have seen the Jews rounded up and taken away, but people who witnessed this wouldn't know that they'd end up in gas chambers.

Seeing people taken away doesn't mean that you all of a sudden know that Auschwitz and other Death Camps exist.

Been to Balkans and loved Serbia. Other countries are great but can't compare to Serbia. Far from a failed state. Educated people, everybody speaks English, unbelievable food. Belgrade is a treasure gem of Europe, full of life and energy Loved It!! Did not expect to much before I went there, but when I got there loved the people,they are very social, loud and fun. Beautiful country, long history, not that rich but who can blame them, as people they went through a lot. Hope all the best for them! Go there and see it for your self!

They won’t as it’s in their interest not to do so...
(sj, 28 September 2013 05:22)

Exactly, they don't do it when it's not in their interest to do so and they do it when it is in their interest to do so. We have a lot of examples from the past for both the "do" and "don't".
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What’s happened to Syria? Why has Russia or China not buckled under western pressure?
(sj, 28 September 2013 05:22)

Ha, ha, ha! Here is another naive that really believes that US/West care about the Syrians being slaughtered by Assad! Mate, only Serbs believe that support or pressure is done with words. That's why they call Russia their greatest ally (because of words of support) and that's why some naives believe that US is putting pressure to Russia (because of words to that effect). The US does not want Russia to buckle; why on Earth would US help Russia improve Russia's image in the Arab world ?!
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Oh how is the US economy going? Last time I heard it’s another 2 trillion of borrowings on the way. So what will that make? 130% of GDP LOL. With real unemployment levels at 23% to 26%. When are is the US coming back as a super power again? In the next decade or is it two??
Kosovo’s time is over mate
(sj, 28 September 2013 05:22)

Exactly, so I'm just wondering what are the superpowers (Russia and China) waiting to act on their top national priority: i.e. Kosovo ?!

They are letting it rot on the vine. It’s not going anywhere soon. But what are your western friends doing to ease the 75% unemployment rate in Kosovo? When will ford move some of its operations to Pristina?
(sj, 30 September 2013 13:02)

sj, what have I told you about making up figures?

Kosovo has an unemployment rate of 38.7% not 75% as you falsely claimed. Just like the UK has an unemployment rate of 7.7% not 20% as you falsely claimed.

You need to bare in mind that the unemployment rate in Kosovo is less than 38.7% when you minus Northern Kosovo.

Kosovo does have a poor unemployment rate but Kosovo's unemployment rate is a lot better than it was in 2007 when unemployment stood at 48%.

sj,
While you are drawing the picture, why not fill in all the colors, like when it comes to the point that most likely China will follow their tradition and abstain from voting, and Russia will in the end trade their vote for something they want.

So yes, in real terms, the figure is higher; but like everyone else, we only calculate unemployment amongst those who are available and able to work.
(Ian, UK, 2 October 2013 20:09)
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And like in Australia I am sure they have counted the part time and casual workers as employed.
As long as you work 15 hours a week you are not counted as unemployed, even though you can't survive on that.

Seeing people taken away doesn't mean that you all of a sudden know that Auschwitz and other Death Camps exist.
(Ian, UK, 30 September 2013 13:50)
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With all that anti Jewish sentiment I am sure people thought they were being taken on a picnic.

Most US academics (including Nobel Prize winners from Yale and Harvard, Princeton etc) agree that the real level is anywhere between 23% and 26% while others say it more closer to 30% and the difference is what information is used in calculate that figure.
(sj, 1 October 2013 00:39)

Hold on there. The only academics I trust are the ones that another sj who is the CE of B92 forums, trusts, and they are the Chinese and Malaysian academics. Let's not forget that sj's analysis has shown that China is the only superpower today and the most advanced country in the world.
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The same method is used in the UK. If you have lost nearly 1 million jobs from government and you think your level of unemployment is only 7.7% then think again. Australia’s official level is 5.8% but in reality its more like 13%.
(sj, 1 October 2013 00:39)

I wonder what the unemployment in Serbia is if we apply these laws of measuring it, or different laws apply to Serbia, Russia, etc ?! Btw, do you publish these real unemployment numbers somewhere ? I want to use them when I decide to buy/sell in the stock market so I can make a lot of money by using something that most of the rest of traders don't know.

(icj1, 2 October 2013 05:14)

When are you planting your money tree? Next Spring? Now go and deliver your pizzas.

(sj, 1 October 2013 00:39)

Unemployment in the UK is 7.7% of the available working population.

Of course that figure is higher if you include the retired, those in full time Education, illegal immigrants, infants, prisoners, disabled (physically/ mentally unable to work), aristocracy, the deceased ect.

That is the same definition used to calculate unemployment from before the 2008 economic crisis.

So yes, in real terms, the figure is higher; but like everyone else, we only calculate unemployment amongst those who are available and able to work.

When are you planting your money tree? Next Spring? Now go and deliver your pizzas.
(sj, 2 October 2013 13:25)

Very soon thanks to your excellent news sources. You know that the only way to make money in the stock market and not have to deliver pizzas anymore is to trade on information that nobody else has and the information that you have is unique which is why I'm your greatest admirer in these forums as you've noticed from my posts.

So yes, in real terms, the figure is higher; but like everyone else, we only calculate unemployment amongst those who are available and able to work.
(Ian, UK, 2 October 2013 20:09)

That's not fair. Only Russia, Serbia, China or countries that have not recognized Kosovo are entitled to calculate unemployment as you described it above. Everybody else which has recognized Kosovo should compute it as the CE of B92 forums sj says.

And like in Australia I am sure they have counted the part time and casual workers as employed.
As long as you work 15 hours a week you are not counted as unemployed, even though you can't survive on that.
(Peggy, 3 October 2013 05:08)

Well, they are working therefore they are employed because they have a job and are earning money. My friend only works 18 hours a week (six hours a day three days a week), but that is her choice and she has a comfortable life and if she was living on her own it'd probably not be enough to live on. She could work full time if she wanted to but she doesn't want to. She has a job, she pays taxes and she is earning money. Why should she be considered unemployed?

My mother before she retired was a community nurse and she only worked part time. She did this for over 30 years. During this period, should she have been considered to be unemployed?

I understand that some people want to work full time but the only work available is a part time job. I understand they want to be earning more money (don't we all), but if they have a job and they are working and earning money, then they are employed.