PM says gay parade "good for country" - but he won't attend

Is Gay Pride a new condition for Serbia to join the EU?

(Michael Thomas, 24 September 2013 14:11)

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.The EU uses the excuse of discrimination in order to hide a wider agenda which includes having their views accepted and taught in schools and society in general and in the case of Serbia against the will of the majority (some democracy here).But then again when it comes to EU nothing surprises me anymore.As to Dacic saying he's not going to take part in the parade is a hollow posturing because if the EU orders him to take part not only he will but he he will also hold a banner and sing the gay YMCA hymn .

I am afraid ordinary Serbs haven't been told yet the road to EU -if it's still around the next five years-will be tortuous and full of capitulations.Fascist clubs always demand total surrender.

There are so many interesting things about this article it is hard to know where to begin.
“... the gay parade would be "good for Serbia because the European Union asked for it,"
Is Gay Pride a new condition for Serbia to join the EU?
"I am in favor of everybody's constitutional right to express their diversity, but it is my right not to go there.”
Dačić is wrong. Those countries and politicians who want to be accepted in Western capitals must show their fealty to their superiors. In Turkish times, Serbian leaders had to fall to their knees and kiss the hem of the Sultan’s gown. In these modern times you must embrace Gay Pride, you must condemn President Assad, you must welcome in the IMF, etc, etc. Dačić has no rights, only duties.
“The parade has been scheduled for Saturday [and] a security assessment of this planned public gathering has not been done yet”
It is too late to do an assessment and to implement the measures needed to ensure a safe parade. I suspect that this is intentional and that the parade will be called off, or will be held in some quiet Dedinje street. Bulevar kneza Aleksandra Karađorđevića would be an appropriate place.

We've had to accept eradication of Serbs in Croatia, virtual loss of Kosovo, and now they want us to be gay. The last one is asking too much!

Have y'all ever been to or seen a "Gay Pride " parade? They are held in many U S A cites. Quite disgusting! They are forcing their "Queer"ways on young children. Please do not say it is normal. They are not born{?}that way. Have you not heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Dan- it was meant tongue in cheek. If 99% o Serbs disagree with homosexuality, you think the 1% should the day. I am all for free association and minority rights, but where does it stop. I have no personal problem with gay people, in fact to the contrary. But when does it stop being association, and more like provocation.

@ Pete K.
Pete, nobody can force homosexuality on anyone. Homosexuality is not a disease.
A society that embraces diversity is a tolerant and civil society.
A society that is incapable of inclusiveness is repressive and quite simply sad.
In which would you rather live?
(T, 24 September 2013 14:51)


Ohh cool you are all for diversity, so that means you will embrace the diversity of people into incest, bestiality, necrophilism, pedophilism???

Ask the Lithuanians. They have anti-LGBT legislation on their books. Their neighbors aren't much better so using this as a condition would be to deliberately provoke Belgrade. The biggest hypocrites are already in the EU.

We've had to accept eradication of Serbs in Croatia, virtual loss of Kosovo, and now they want us to be gay. The last one is asking too much!
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 12:25)


No one is asking anyone to be gay.

However, freedom of association is something that is expected in civil(ized) society, so it's quite right an normal that such a thing should be expected in Serbia.

Dačić, you say that you're allowing the gay parade to go ahead because the EU expects you to.
But just in case someone gets the wrong idea you feel the need to make it clear that you're not gay.
Ok, we get the message but why are you distancing yourself, in advance, from any responsibility should those gay bashing idiots get the better of the security services and cause havoc and destruction?
Instead of making excuses you ought to show leadership and character by letting those holigans know that any disruption of any form before, during and after the gay parade will not be tolerated and that those who do not respect the law will be brought to justice and will face the consequenses of their actions.
Really, your comments are just pathetic.

Ban it. Without doubt.

Hold a family day. Where parents (1 male 1 female) and their kids can enjoy the day.

The weather forecast is good, why waste it on a load of foreign trouble instigators?

Peter Tatchell and his monsters should go to the circus city of San Francisco to show off their gayness.

You are not wanted by the Majority, go away!

@ Pete K.
Pete, nobody can force homosexuality on anyone. Homosexuality is not a disease.
A society that embraces diversity is a tolerant and civil society.
A society that is incapable of inclusiveness is repressive and quite simply sad.
In which would you rather live?

Notice he is trying to please two groups of people.
1-The Europeans
2-His supporters which are mainly anti-gay.
He's embarrassing to Serbia. Just like the president! When will Serbia get politicians which aren't so embarrassing?! God it's crazy! He's not capable of making statements that make some kind of sense!
Vucic is a much more stable man. He should have been PM. This should be the last time this guy or Nikolic serve for the government. We've had enough of their crap!

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.
(Leonidas, 24 September 2013 15:08)

Here comes the conspiracy theorist :)
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(icj1, 25 September 2013 04:40)

The following link supports my statement above.It's a blatant intervention by the EU in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation.But then again boot licking is the Albanians national sport.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2012&mm=10&dd=03&nav_id=82466

well, serbia has a simple solution then Leonidas, don't join the EU, but serbs want in. out of curiosity however, why is a gay parade a bad thing?
(Nikolle, 25 September 2013 18:14)

Whether a gay parade should be held or not should be left for Serbian people to decide and not imposed from the EU.Since the overwhelming majority of Serbs are christian orthodox who believe homosexuality is morally wrong but should be tolerated but not celebrated-these are legitimate points of view.For my part I cannot possibly see a reason for celebrating one's sexuality.

Where is Peggy. She usually likes to remind everyone their Doctor might be gay when this topic comes up.
(Huh??, 25 September 2013 17:57)
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Here I am, bur seeing how everyone already knows how I feel about this issue why do you want me to keep repeating myself?

I am all for free association and minority rights, but where does it stop.
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 15:43)


heh... kind of like the scene in that Serbian film "Parada", when the chief of police asks, "If we give you these 'human rights', everyone will come asking for them!"


It doesn't "stop" anywhere. Either there's freedom of assembly in Serbia or there isn't.

PM says gay parade "good for country" - but he won't attend. Now you did it Ivica just challenged fascist EU. Yore going to get a good spanking you bad bad boy. Next time we see you will be wearing a tutu holding hands lovingly with a big smile on your face. Prancing around in the immoral spectacle under the watchful glare of has beens useless EU fascist bureaucrats. Have you not heard of brother unity togetherness. I'm surprised a communist like your self that it has not been brainwashed in to you strange.

Jeff: What do you mean by provocation? And why do you think that only 1% of Serb people are either gay or tolerant towards homosexuality when the reality is that the figure for being actively gay is probably nearer 10%, as it is elsewhere, and that most people couldn't care less what others do as long as it doesn't actively impinge on their lives. You and others won't be 'provoked' if you do something else on Saturday. I accept that you are free to go wherever you like whenever you like but a) so are gay people and b) if I thought that a group of people was going to provoke me I would stay out of their way for a few hours. It's not as if this parade is a weekly event or that those taking part are trying to convert you and other heterosexuals to their way of life. A little intellectual maturity wouldn't go amiss here.
(Ned Taylor, 24 September 2013 18:13)


So basically you are saying foreigners and homos get to hold the majority hostage and they better stay inside cuz its one day only? And what if these homos and foreigners want to parade everyday? Are the normal people who are against this disgusting lifestyle choice suppose to stay inside then too?

??? I am amused when people try to put words into mouth by completely misrepresenting what I say. No-one is holding anyone hostage. A group of people are going to hold a one day parade, nothing more. I am not going to participate in the ridiculous game of 'what if........' because the example you give is frankly ludicrous. I don't recall stating that anyone should stay indoors, simply that if one feels that a certain event is going to 'provoke' them then they should do something else in another place. I don't like the sound of children crying but don't stand outside nurseries and kindergartens complaining about the noise, I avoid them.

On a previous point when you equated sex with children, animals and the dead with homosexuality, the key difference is that of consent. Two 30 year old men are capable of giving informed consent to participation in a sexual act; children, animals and the dead are not.

In the past my comments on this subject have led to all manner of insults by those who assume that because I am tolerant towards gay people that I somehow must be one myself. I am not but consider that tolerance towards others who do not share my view of the world is fundamental to keeping my sanity. I would exclude those whose views are racist and hope that this puts me in a large majority.

Really - this article is just a reason for all you people to argue with each other. It is funny and rather sad that you get into arguments with each other over a gay parade. After several more years of them no-one will care and all this speculation will be over. It really is no big deal - other countries have them all the time and they barely make the news.

"Instead of making excuses you ought to show leadership and character by letting those holigans know that any disruption of any form before, during and after the gay parade will not be tolerated"

The day or couple days after the last elections, B92 had an article showing Dacic and the leader of those "peaceful" soccer fans partying and celebrating the good results together in the street. "Drug" Dacic clearly is connected to them, owes them something or holds them as storm troopers. He is not going to do anything against them.

Jeff: What do you mean by provocation? And why do you think that only 1% of Serb people are either gay or tolerant towards homosexuality when the reality is that the figure for being actively gay is probably nearer 10%, as it is elsewhere, and that most people couldn't care less what others do as long as it doesn't actively impinge on their lives. You and others won't be 'provoked' if you do something else on Saturday. I accept that you are free to go wherever you like whenever you like but a) so are gay people and b) if I thought that a group of people was going to provoke me I would stay out of their way for a few hours. It's not as if this parade is a weekly event or that those taking part are trying to convert you and other heterosexuals to their way of life. A little intellectual maturity wouldn't go amiss here.

Don't see any need for these ridiculous parades which just seem to be done more frequently in countries that democratically don't want this decadence rammed down their throats.Should we now embrace terrorism just to accommodate the proponents of it into this world of diversity? This whole argument is devoid of any rationale as far as I can see. If your gay fine be as gay as you like but I really don't need or want to know!!

Please mr.dacic please explain why you won't attend then ...it's about time you came out of the closet

magine! Those dastardly EU folks expect their applying nations to uphold freedom of assembly. terrible!
(Danilo, 25 September 2013 15:07)

I didn't know "freedom of assembly" was synonymous with gay parade.You guys seem to be miles ahead of me.

Leonidas: Serbia has invited the EU to 'interfere' in its internal affairs by applying for membership. Should Serbia wish to remain sovereign over all aspects of its internal affairs then it should immediately withdraw its application. That wouldn't stop others from harping on about various issues but it would allow Dacic and others to stick two fingers up. Serbia would also need to withdraw from the Council of Europe but may consider this a small price to pay.
(ned taylor, 25 September 2013 17:05)

The elites in Serbia have decided some time ago to go through humiliation on national issues as a price worth paying for joining the EU.I will also rephrase your term "interfering" with the term "takeover" which means total capitulation.

"But then again boot licking is the Albanians national sport."

I missed this bit. I really wouldn't go on about boot licking considering how far greeks have had to go to be rescued by EU cash and how far Cyprus went begging the Russians for money. it seems boot licking is a Balkan trait eh Leonidas? perhpas greeks are just better at it

We've had to accept eradication of Serbs in Croatia, virtual loss of Kosovo, and now they want us to be gay. The last one is asking too much!
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 12:25)

They want you to be gay ?! I probably missed it, but I have not heard anybody prohibiting straight people from parading.
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Have y'all ever been to or seen a "Gay Pride " parade? They are held in many U S A cites. Quite disgusting! They are forcing their "Queer"ways on young children. Please do not say it is normal. They are not born{?}that way. Have you not heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?
(Pete K., 24 September 2013 14:11)

Well, something that is disgusting for you is not so for somebody else. You are free not to watch something that you perceive as disgusting - nobody is forcing you. Otherwise we end up to Nazi's logic that because a child was deformed he/she had to be exterminated because the majority perceived that as disgusting.
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Dan- it was meant tongue in cheek. If 99% o Serbs disagree with homosexuality, you think the 1% should the day. I am all for free association and minority rights, but where does it stop. I have no personal problem with gay people, in fact to the contrary. But when does it stop being association, and more like provocation.
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 15:43)

It stops where the rights for straight people stop. What's so hard to understand?

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.
(Leonidas, 24 September 2013 15:08)

Here comes the conspiracy theorist :)
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Ohh cool you are all for diversity, so that means you will embrace the diversity of people into incest, bestiality, necrophilism, pedophilism???
(???, 24 September 2013 16:27)

Sorry, don't get the point. The things above are mostly done by straight people (due to the simple fact that they are in overwhelming majority), so you don't want to tolerate straight people because they are straight ?!
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Ban it. Without doubt.
Hold a family day. Where parents (1 male 1 female) and their kids can enjoy the day.
(john, 24 September 2013 20:02)

You are free to hold a family day regardless (rest assured that singles –straight or gay - are not going to show such bigotry and make a big fuss against a family day).
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You are not wanted by the Majority, go away!
(john, 24 September 2013 20:02)

That's precisely the reason why Serbia lost Kosovo, but some Serbs never learn, even the hard way.

@Leonidas

Imagine! Those dastardly EU folks expect their applying nations to uphold freedom of assembly. terrible!

@Leonidas

well, serbia has a simple solution then Leonidas, don't join the EU, but serbs want in. out of curiosity however, why is a gay parade a bad thing?

'Instead of making excuses you ought to show leadership and character by letting those hooligans know that any disruption of any form before, during and after the gay parade will not be tolerated and that those who do not respect the law will be brought to justice and will face the consequenses of their actions. Really, your comments are just pathetic.
(T, 24 September 2013 12:52)'

--As usual, yr comments are strong, articulate and appropriate. Thanks. But you see what we're up against. It is impossible to have a normal lgbt pride parade in belgrade, even though they are held, annually, all around the world. not just in Frisco. I'm so sick of these stupid and inane comments about frisco, it is like 40 years ago, and even then they were ignorant and idiotic.

What is not mentioned here directly, the siberian elephant in the room, is the current campaign of vicious persecution and violence against Soviet gays, under the LIE of "save our children." - Soviet version of Anita Bryant updated, same level of intelligence and ethical literacy.

anyway, one way or another, there is a very real threat of violence here (again), and all of the blood will be on the hands of the ignorant and reactionary belgrade regime and their ever-loyal media(s).

Best wishes to the participants!

roberto frisco

Leonidas: Serbia has invited the EU to 'interfere' in its internal affairs by applying for membership. Should Serbia wish to remain sovereign over all aspects of its internal affairs then it should immediately withdraw its application. That wouldn't stop others from harping on about various issues but it would allow Dacic and others to stick two fingers up. Serbia would also need to withdraw from the Council of Europe but may consider this a small price to pay.

Where is Peggy. She usually likes to remind everyone their Doctor might be gay when this topic comes up.

I didn't know "freedom of assembly" was synonymous with gay parade.You guys seem to be miles ahead of me.
(Leonidas, 25 September 2013 17:26)


obviously it's not "synonymous", but for the slow: Freedom of assembly means freedom of assembly for everyone, including gays.

It's about time Belgrade showed their true colors........

Instead of it being the capital for fugitive War Criminals...........

The streets of Belgrade will overflow with true Serbian CHARACTER...........GAY.

hahahahahahah gay parade you have to join it you are all gay shame(N)

This song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk in front of the Serbian Parliament in Belgrade. That would be an awesome parade.

With rights come responsibility. If the LGBT realises there will be criminal damage and people will get hurt, shouldn't they call it off for the greater good. As Ned says, it's only one day, stay at home etc. Well, if it is so inconsequential, why upset the vast majority. Perhaps wait for a better time. I am neither for or against btw.

Serbia and Greece Orthodox partners.

THIS PARADE IS A RESULT OF THAT ..............

Where are the Orthodox Priests for their blessings?

Too busy chasing little boys around?

Belgrade is going to be AIDS Capital of the World.

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.
(Leonidas, 24 September 2013 15:08)

Here comes the conspiracy theorist :)
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(icj1, 25 September 2013 04:40)

The following link supports my statement above.It's a blatant intervention by the EU in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation.But then again boot licking is the Albanians national sport.

[link]
(Leonidas, 25 September 2013 12:47)


Absolutely, that's what I was saying... It's a conspiracy of the EU against heroic Serbia :)

With rights come responsibility. If the LGBT realises there will be criminal damage and people will get hurt, shouldn't they call it off for the greater good. As Ned says, it's only one day, stay at home etc. Well, if it is so inconsequential, why upset the vast majority. Perhaps wait for a better time. I am neither for or against btw.
(Jeff, 26 September 2013 17:34)

Well, tomorrow the majority might be upset because you are living... Are you willing to die in order not to upset the majority ?!!!!

If some people X want to exercise their right to assembly, it is the duty of the state to ensure its safety from criminal acts otherwise tomorrow when people Y will want to assemble, for example, to scream that "Kosovo is Serbia", they can also be told that there will be criminal damage and people will get hurt and therefore they can't assemble.

We've had to accept eradication of Serbs in Croatia, virtual loss of Kosovo, and now they want us to be gay. The last one is asking too much!
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 12:25)


No one is asking anyone to be gay.

However, freedom of association is something that is expected in civil(ized) society, so it's quite right an normal that such a thing should be expected in Serbia.

I am all for free association and minority rights, but where does it stop.
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 15:43)


heh... kind of like the scene in that Serbian film "Parada", when the chief of police asks, "If we give you these 'human rights', everyone will come asking for them!"


It doesn't "stop" anywhere. Either there's freedom of assembly in Serbia or there isn't.

Dačić, you say that you're allowing the gay parade to go ahead because the EU expects you to.
But just in case someone gets the wrong idea you feel the need to make it clear that you're not gay.
Ok, we get the message but why are you distancing yourself, in advance, from any responsibility should those gay bashing idiots get the better of the security services and cause havoc and destruction?
Instead of making excuses you ought to show leadership and character by letting those holigans know that any disruption of any form before, during and after the gay parade will not be tolerated and that those who do not respect the law will be brought to justice and will face the consequenses of their actions.
Really, your comments are just pathetic.

@ Pete K.
Pete, nobody can force homosexuality on anyone. Homosexuality is not a disease.
A society that embraces diversity is a tolerant and civil society.
A society that is incapable of inclusiveness is repressive and quite simply sad.
In which would you rather live?

It's about time Belgrade showed their true colors........

Instead of it being the capital for fugitive War Criminals...........

The streets of Belgrade will overflow with true Serbian CHARACTER...........GAY.

We've had to accept eradication of Serbs in Croatia, virtual loss of Kosovo, and now they want us to be gay. The last one is asking too much!

Have y'all ever been to or seen a "Gay Pride " parade? They are held in many U S A cites. Quite disgusting! They are forcing their "Queer"ways on young children. Please do not say it is normal. They are not born{?}that way. Have you not heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?

"Instead of making excuses you ought to show leadership and character by letting those holigans know that any disruption of any form before, during and after the gay parade will not be tolerated"

The day or couple days after the last elections, B92 had an article showing Dacic and the leader of those "peaceful" soccer fans partying and celebrating the good results together in the street. "Drug" Dacic clearly is connected to them, owes them something or holds them as storm troopers. He is not going to do anything against them.

Jeff: What do you mean by provocation? And why do you think that only 1% of Serb people are either gay or tolerant towards homosexuality when the reality is that the figure for being actively gay is probably nearer 10%, as it is elsewhere, and that most people couldn't care less what others do as long as it doesn't actively impinge on their lives. You and others won't be 'provoked' if you do something else on Saturday. I accept that you are free to go wherever you like whenever you like but a) so are gay people and b) if I thought that a group of people was going to provoke me I would stay out of their way for a few hours. It's not as if this parade is a weekly event or that those taking part are trying to convert you and other heterosexuals to their way of life. A little intellectual maturity wouldn't go amiss here.

PM says gay parade "good for country" - but he won't attend. Now you did it Ivica just challenged fascist EU. Yore going to get a good spanking you bad bad boy. Next time we see you will be wearing a tutu holding hands lovingly with a big smile on your face. Prancing around in the immoral spectacle under the watchful glare of has beens useless EU fascist bureaucrats. Have you not heard of brother unity togetherness. I'm surprised a communist like your self that it has not been brainwashed in to you strange.

Really - this article is just a reason for all you people to argue with each other. It is funny and rather sad that you get into arguments with each other over a gay parade. After several more years of them no-one will care and all this speculation will be over. It really is no big deal - other countries have them all the time and they barely make the news.

hahahahahahah gay parade you have to join it you are all gay shame(N)

@ Pete K.
Pete, nobody can force homosexuality on anyone. Homosexuality is not a disease.
A society that embraces diversity is a tolerant and civil society.
A society that is incapable of inclusiveness is repressive and quite simply sad.
In which would you rather live?
(T, 24 September 2013 14:51)


Ohh cool you are all for diversity, so that means you will embrace the diversity of people into incest, bestiality, necrophilism, pedophilism???

@Leonidas

Imagine! Those dastardly EU folks expect their applying nations to uphold freedom of assembly. terrible!

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.
(Leonidas, 24 September 2013 15:08)

Here comes the conspiracy theorist :)
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Ohh cool you are all for diversity, so that means you will embrace the diversity of people into incest, bestiality, necrophilism, pedophilism???
(???, 24 September 2013 16:27)

Sorry, don't get the point. The things above are mostly done by straight people (due to the simple fact that they are in overwhelming majority), so you don't want to tolerate straight people because they are straight ?!
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Ban it. Without doubt.
Hold a family day. Where parents (1 male 1 female) and their kids can enjoy the day.
(john, 24 September 2013 20:02)

You are free to hold a family day regardless (rest assured that singles –straight or gay - are not going to show such bigotry and make a big fuss against a family day).
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You are not wanted by the Majority, go away!
(john, 24 September 2013 20:02)

That's precisely the reason why Serbia lost Kosovo, but some Serbs never learn, even the hard way.

Serbia and Greece Orthodox partners.

THIS PARADE IS A RESULT OF THAT ..............

Where are the Orthodox Priests for their blessings?

Too busy chasing little boys around?

Belgrade is going to be AIDS Capital of the World.

Ban it. Without doubt.

Hold a family day. Where parents (1 male 1 female) and their kids can enjoy the day.

The weather forecast is good, why waste it on a load of foreign trouble instigators?

Peter Tatchell and his monsters should go to the circus city of San Francisco to show off their gayness.

You are not wanted by the Majority, go away!

'Instead of making excuses you ought to show leadership and character by letting those hooligans know that any disruption of any form before, during and after the gay parade will not be tolerated and that those who do not respect the law will be brought to justice and will face the consequenses of their actions. Really, your comments are just pathetic.
(T, 24 September 2013 12:52)'

--As usual, yr comments are strong, articulate and appropriate. Thanks. But you see what we're up against. It is impossible to have a normal lgbt pride parade in belgrade, even though they are held, annually, all around the world. not just in Frisco. I'm so sick of these stupid and inane comments about frisco, it is like 40 years ago, and even then they were ignorant and idiotic.

What is not mentioned here directly, the siberian elephant in the room, is the current campaign of vicious persecution and violence against Soviet gays, under the LIE of "save our children." - Soviet version of Anita Bryant updated, same level of intelligence and ethical literacy.

anyway, one way or another, there is a very real threat of violence here (again), and all of the blood will be on the hands of the ignorant and reactionary belgrade regime and their ever-loyal media(s).

Best wishes to the participants!

roberto frisco

Is Gay Pride a new condition for Serbia to join the EU?

(Michael Thomas, 24 September 2013 14:11)

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.The EU uses the excuse of discrimination in order to hide a wider agenda which includes having their views accepted and taught in schools and society in general and in the case of Serbia against the will of the majority (some democracy here).But then again when it comes to EU nothing surprises me anymore.As to Dacic saying he's not going to take part in the parade is a hollow posturing because if the EU orders him to take part not only he will but he he will also hold a banner and sing the gay YMCA hymn .

I am afraid ordinary Serbs haven't been told yet the road to EU -if it's still around the next five years-will be tortuous and full of capitulations.Fascist clubs always demand total surrender.

Dan- it was meant tongue in cheek. If 99% o Serbs disagree with homosexuality, you think the 1% should the day. I am all for free association and minority rights, but where does it stop. I have no personal problem with gay people, in fact to the contrary. But when does it stop being association, and more like provocation.

??? I am amused when people try to put words into mouth by completely misrepresenting what I say. No-one is holding anyone hostage. A group of people are going to hold a one day parade, nothing more. I am not going to participate in the ridiculous game of 'what if........' because the example you give is frankly ludicrous. I don't recall stating that anyone should stay indoors, simply that if one feels that a certain event is going to 'provoke' them then they should do something else in another place. I don't like the sound of children crying but don't stand outside nurseries and kindergartens complaining about the noise, I avoid them.

On a previous point when you equated sex with children, animals and the dead with homosexuality, the key difference is that of consent. Two 30 year old men are capable of giving informed consent to participation in a sexual act; children, animals and the dead are not.

In the past my comments on this subject have led to all manner of insults by those who assume that because I am tolerant towards gay people that I somehow must be one myself. I am not but consider that tolerance towards others who do not share my view of the world is fundamental to keeping my sanity. I would exclude those whose views are racist and hope that this puts me in a large majority.

Where is Peggy. She usually likes to remind everyone their Doctor might be gay when this topic comes up.

"But then again boot licking is the Albanians national sport."

I missed this bit. I really wouldn't go on about boot licking considering how far greeks have had to go to be rescued by EU cash and how far Cyprus went begging the Russians for money. it seems boot licking is a Balkan trait eh Leonidas? perhpas greeks are just better at it

There are so many interesting things about this article it is hard to know where to begin.
“... the gay parade would be "good for Serbia because the European Union asked for it,"
Is Gay Pride a new condition for Serbia to join the EU?
"I am in favor of everybody's constitutional right to express their diversity, but it is my right not to go there.”
Dačić is wrong. Those countries and politicians who want to be accepted in Western capitals must show their fealty to their superiors. In Turkish times, Serbian leaders had to fall to their knees and kiss the hem of the Sultan’s gown. In these modern times you must embrace Gay Pride, you must condemn President Assad, you must welcome in the IMF, etc, etc. Dačić has no rights, only duties.
“The parade has been scheduled for Saturday [and] a security assessment of this planned public gathering has not been done yet”
It is too late to do an assessment and to implement the measures needed to ensure a safe parade. I suspect that this is intentional and that the parade will be called off, or will be held in some quiet Dedinje street. Bulevar kneza Aleksandra Karađorđevića would be an appropriate place.

We've had to accept eradication of Serbs in Croatia, virtual loss of Kosovo, and now they want us to be gay. The last one is asking too much!
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 12:25)

They want you to be gay ?! I probably missed it, but I have not heard anybody prohibiting straight people from parading.
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Have y'all ever been to or seen a "Gay Pride " parade? They are held in many U S A cites. Quite disgusting! They are forcing their "Queer"ways on young children. Please do not say it is normal. They are not born{?}that way. Have you not heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?
(Pete K., 24 September 2013 14:11)

Well, something that is disgusting for you is not so for somebody else. You are free not to watch something that you perceive as disgusting - nobody is forcing you. Otherwise we end up to Nazi's logic that because a child was deformed he/she had to be exterminated because the majority perceived that as disgusting.
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Dan- it was meant tongue in cheek. If 99% o Serbs disagree with homosexuality, you think the 1% should the day. I am all for free association and minority rights, but where does it stop. I have no personal problem with gay people, in fact to the contrary. But when does it stop being association, and more like provocation.
(Jeff, 24 September 2013 15:43)

It stops where the rights for straight people stop. What's so hard to understand?

@Leonidas

well, serbia has a simple solution then Leonidas, don't join the EU, but serbs want in. out of curiosity however, why is a gay parade a bad thing?

This song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk in front of the Serbian Parliament in Belgrade. That would be an awesome parade.

Notice he is trying to please two groups of people.
1-The Europeans
2-His supporters which are mainly anti-gay.
He's embarrassing to Serbia. Just like the president! When will Serbia get politicians which aren't so embarrassing?! God it's crazy! He's not capable of making statements that make some kind of sense!
Vucic is a much more stable man. He should have been PM. This should be the last time this guy or Nikolic serve for the government. We've had enough of their crap!

Jeff: What do you mean by provocation? And why do you think that only 1% of Serb people are either gay or tolerant towards homosexuality when the reality is that the figure for being actively gay is probably nearer 10%, as it is elsewhere, and that most people couldn't care less what others do as long as it doesn't actively impinge on their lives. You and others won't be 'provoked' if you do something else on Saturday. I accept that you are free to go wherever you like whenever you like but a) so are gay people and b) if I thought that a group of people was going to provoke me I would stay out of their way for a few hours. It's not as if this parade is a weekly event or that those taking part are trying to convert you and other heterosexuals to their way of life. A little intellectual maturity wouldn't go amiss here.
(Ned Taylor, 24 September 2013 18:13)


So basically you are saying foreigners and homos get to hold the majority hostage and they better stay inside cuz its one day only? And what if these homos and foreigners want to parade everyday? Are the normal people who are against this disgusting lifestyle choice suppose to stay inside then too?

I didn't know "freedom of assembly" was synonymous with gay parade.You guys seem to be miles ahead of me.
(Leonidas, 25 September 2013 17:26)


obviously it's not "synonymous", but for the slow: Freedom of assembly means freedom of assembly for everyone, including gays.

Don't see any need for these ridiculous parades which just seem to be done more frequently in countries that democratically don't want this decadence rammed down their throats.Should we now embrace terrorism just to accommodate the proponents of it into this world of diversity? This whole argument is devoid of any rationale as far as I can see. If your gay fine be as gay as you like but I really don't need or want to know!!

well, serbia has a simple solution then Leonidas, don't join the EU, but serbs want in. out of curiosity however, why is a gay parade a bad thing?
(Nikolle, 25 September 2013 18:14)

Whether a gay parade should be held or not should be left for Serbian people to decide and not imposed from the EU.Since the overwhelming majority of Serbs are christian orthodox who believe homosexuality is morally wrong but should be tolerated but not celebrated-these are legitimate points of view.For my part I cannot possibly see a reason for celebrating one's sexuality.

Ask the Lithuanians. They have anti-LGBT legislation on their books. Their neighbors aren't much better so using this as a condition would be to deliberately provoke Belgrade. The biggest hypocrites are already in the EU.

Please mr.dacic please explain why you won't attend then ...it's about time you came out of the closet

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.
(Leonidas, 24 September 2013 15:08)

Here comes the conspiracy theorist :)
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(icj1, 25 September 2013 04:40)

The following link supports my statement above.It's a blatant intervention by the EU in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation.But then again boot licking is the Albanians national sport.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2012&mm=10&dd=03&nav_id=82466

Leonidas: Serbia has invited the EU to 'interfere' in its internal affairs by applying for membership. Should Serbia wish to remain sovereign over all aspects of its internal affairs then it should immediately withdraw its application. That wouldn't stop others from harping on about various issues but it would allow Dacic and others to stick two fingers up. Serbia would also need to withdraw from the Council of Europe but may consider this a small price to pay.

magine! Those dastardly EU folks expect their applying nations to uphold freedom of assembly. terrible!
(Danilo, 25 September 2013 15:07)

I didn't know "freedom of assembly" was synonymous with gay parade.You guys seem to be miles ahead of me.

Leonidas: Serbia has invited the EU to 'interfere' in its internal affairs by applying for membership. Should Serbia wish to remain sovereign over all aspects of its internal affairs then it should immediately withdraw its application. That wouldn't stop others from harping on about various issues but it would allow Dacic and others to stick two fingers up. Serbia would also need to withdraw from the Council of Europe but may consider this a small price to pay.
(ned taylor, 25 September 2013 17:05)

The elites in Serbia have decided some time ago to go through humiliation on national issues as a price worth paying for joining the EU.I will also rephrase your term "interfering" with the term "takeover" which means total capitulation.

Where is Peggy. She usually likes to remind everyone their Doctor might be gay when this topic comes up.
(Huh??, 25 September 2013 17:57)
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Here I am, bur seeing how everyone already knows how I feel about this issue why do you want me to keep repeating myself?

With rights come responsibility. If the LGBT realises there will be criminal damage and people will get hurt, shouldn't they call it off for the greater good. As Ned says, it's only one day, stay at home etc. Well, if it is so inconsequential, why upset the vast majority. Perhaps wait for a better time. I am neither for or against btw.

Gay Pride parade and the wider "gay agenda" was always a condition not only for Serbia but any EU candidate.
(Leonidas, 24 September 2013 15:08)

Here comes the conspiracy theorist :)
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(icj1, 25 September 2013 04:40)

The following link supports my statement above.It's a blatant intervention by the EU in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation.But then again boot licking is the Albanians national sport.

[link]
(Leonidas, 25 September 2013 12:47)


Absolutely, that's what I was saying... It's a conspiracy of the EU against heroic Serbia :)

With rights come responsibility. If the LGBT realises there will be criminal damage and people will get hurt, shouldn't they call it off for the greater good. As Ned says, it's only one day, stay at home etc. Well, if it is so inconsequential, why upset the vast majority. Perhaps wait for a better time. I am neither for or against btw.
(Jeff, 26 September 2013 17:34)

Well, tomorrow the majority might be upset because you are living... Are you willing to die in order not to upset the majority ?!!!!

If some people X want to exercise their right to assembly, it is the duty of the state to ensure its safety from criminal acts otherwise tomorrow when people Y will want to assemble, for example, to scream that "Kosovo is Serbia", they can also be told that there will be criminal damage and people will get hurt and therefore they can't assemble.