So, you're saying that just because Serbs expelled most of whoever was in Kosovo before Serbs arrived there, doesn't mean it is not their land and Serbs are the undesirable element there.
(icj1, 2 August 2013 06:31)
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I am really sick of you guys making ridiculous claims. How about you show some proof of what you are saying instead of just shooting your mouth off.
Go on, offer some proof or just shut up.
Actually you're the pollution. Just because you expelled most of Serbs doesn't mean it is not their land and you are the undesirable element there.
(Peggy, 1 August 2013 10:01)
So, you're saying that just because Serbs expelled most of whoever was in Kosovo before Serbs arrived there, doesn't mean it is not their land and Serbs are the undesirable element there.
ian,
not only do you have portraits of the queen and margaret thatcher hanging in your bedroom wall you have also added jurisevic next to them.
fitting really for someone like yourself who lives in a land of fairytales.
you make me laugh..good for my health!
Croatia in the last 500 years has been polluted by Orthodox elements. With pollution remaining at 4% I'm sure we can clear the air once and for all so we can all breathe alot easier.
(Bam Bam, 1 August 2013 02:23)
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Actually you're the pollution. Just because you expelled most of Serbs doesn't mean it is not their land and you are the undesirable element there.
Tell you what, why don't you invite all the Albanians living in Serbia to take their place. The population can exchange their residences and all will be happy.
Will that make you happy?
@Peggy..Ever wondered why the non Orthodox republics don't have Albanians? Someone made sure that only Serbia was polluted the most and their lovely Croatia or Slovenia wasn't. All the bad element went to Orthodox republics.
Croatia in the last 500 years has been polluted by Orthodox elements. With pollution remaining at 4% I'm sure we can clear the air once and for all so we can all breathe alot easier.
This is very well documented by EULEX, UN and even NATO officials.
However, here is an extract from Croatian sources:
“…. the newspaper quotes the words of Croats from Janjevo, who state that, with the arrival of the KLA to this town, provocation from Albanians has commenced, provocation that "the Croats found increasingly hard to bear".
A couple of days ago, disturbing information on the destiny of the Croats from Janjevo has arrived to the Croat embassy in Skopje. It was said that the members of the KLA maltreat them and that the Croats were once even lined before a firing squad…”
Zagreb newspaper quote the words of the Croats from Janjevo, who state that it was easy for them while "the Serbs were in power" in their town. No one bothered them, they could get food and cigarettes through Serb policemen and the Serb army and, when leaving, a Yugoslav Army unit left 350 kilograms of flour for the Croats at the local bakery…”
The newspaper adds that parish priest Matej Palic tried to negotiated with the Albanians, in the hope that "reason will triumph, but they had to move".
Croat sources not Serb.
I can tell you what the poms think of Albanians. Albanian criminality is entrenched in the UK so you can guess what the poms think..
(sj, 31 July 2013 14:27)
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Albanians are deluding themselves if they think they are wanted anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b1qHSZQZNY
We unfortunately have to put up with them because Tito made it very easy for them to pour in and breed like crazy.
Ever wondered why the non Orthodox republics don't have Albanians? Someone made sure that only Serbia was polluted the most and their lovely Croatia or Slovenia wasn't. All the bad element went to Orthodox republics.
(Nikolle, 31 July 2013 10:01)
“...., when has the Kosovar 'society' displayed ethnic hatred against say the Turks, Croats, Egyptians? “
I have yet to see an intelligent Albanian making comment on this site. But you my friend have taken the proverbial cake. In 1999 after NATO came into Kosovo your Albanian human rights loving brothers kicked out ethnic Turks, your brother Croats, Roma and everyone that was not an Albanian. In fact Roma of Muslim faith suffered terribly under the kind hands of their Albania friends so they live close to Serbs settlements. This is very well documented by EULEX, UN and even NATO officials. You have no idea what you're on about
Now on the issue of crime, yes they have shut a few Serbs but that was to be expected as star chambers are nothing but that. However, the Albanians fill European prisons and even Hollywood uses Albanians as the new criminals not Serbs.
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: [link]
From France, source: [link]
And from Croatia, source: [link]
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Croatian volunteers I can believe, but the others are Albanians from those countries.
Yes, two from Australia, David Hicks and the good doctor from Adelaide. But who is the doctor and what ethnic background is he? David Hicks was also fighting in Afghanistan because he is a Muslim convert and we all know that converts are nuttier than the ones born Muslim.
Croatians will join the devil if it meant killing Serbs.
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: [link]
From France, source: [link]
And from Croatia, source: [link]
(Ian, UK, 31 July 2013 12:53)
What foreigners are you talking about? These volunteers are all Albanians working in those countries. The Croats wouldn’t give you guys the time of day as they threw out all Albanians out of Croatia during their operation storm just like your Albanians kicked out all Croats from Kosovo in 1999.
Where do you get this stuff form? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands lately. Have they made you redundant from teh civil service?
As did Australians such as Craig Jurisevic. He is of Serb heritage btw.
(Ian, UK, 31 July 2013 12:36)
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Can you point me to some link or reference that verifies that?
This is what he says.
"in the early '70s, we were surrounded fairly much by vast expanses of market gardens - lots of market gardens, run by mainly Italian immigrants, so it was a very multicultural part of Adelaide. Well, my father met my mum in 1959, when Mum arrived in Australia, as a refugee from Yugoslavia."
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He mentions Yugoslavia not Serbia.
Here is something else:
PETER THOMPSON: That grandfather of yours, Frank...
DR CRAIG JURISEVIC: Yes.
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Frank is not a Serbian name. Try Croatian Franjo which is Frank in English.
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And here are your non Albanian volunteers.
"DR CRAIG JURISEVIC: The KLA were by no means virtuous and angels. There were criminals and killers amongst the KLA, but where I found myself at that point in time, at that location, the majority of the KLA were refugees with guns. Many were also Kosovar or Albanian expatriates from Germany, the United States, who volunteered to come back and fight."
Since you love this doctor so much then you must trust what he says and what he clearly says is that Albanians from various countries came back to fight NOT Germans, French etc. but Albanians who live in those countries.
Be my guest sj and provide a link for this supposed anti Turkish pogrom that apparently happened in Kosova after the withdrawal of Serbian forces. Same applies for the Croats. Go ahead, prove me wrong. As for Hollywood, is this what you cling on to now? Movies? Well, a case of being defeated if I ever saw one. If we're lucky, they'll typecast us in the Star Wars franchise next, hopefully on the dark side.
OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
(Peggy, 31 July 2013 01:17)
A Russian would be friendly towards a Serb yes, but a Russian Politician would think of Russia only.
If you asked an average Brit what they think of Albanians, they'd say "they're Eastern Europeans" in a derogatory way. But that would be the same answer as to what a Brit would think about Serbs, Russians and anyone from a former Eastern Bloc country.
Did American Volunteers fight for Albanians during the Kosovo War? Yes
OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
(Peggy, 31 July 2013 01:17)
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: http://iwpr.net/report-news/kosovars-refute-islamic-terror-claims
From France, source: http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/199904/90420-001-trae-tir.htm
And from Croatia, source: http://www.cfiva.org/cfiva/history/index.cfm
Very interesting Comm. that you use the word society so freely. I'm sure you have no idea what society actually means. Tell me one thing, when has the Kosovar 'society' displayed ethnic hatred against say the Turks, Croats, Egyptians? Out of curiosity, are Serbs a society that is also based on ethnic hatred? Looking at The Hague, you'll notice I'm sure that most of the prisoners happen to belong to a particular ethnic group convicted of ethnically based genocide. You have no idea what you're on about. Very bizarre to me, that an apparent Euro enthusiast should resort to generalisations oh so freely.
"Can u give a realistic solution of Kosovo issue?
I mean realistic not unrealistic such as substancial authonomy or kill 1.8 million albanians and take over Kosovo. "
(Mirel from Albania, 30 July 2013 16:45)
I'm not a Serbian commentator, but a realistic solution would be a split of Kosovo along ethnic lines, the Ibar would be a great border. For the remaining Serbs in the southern parts, there should be autonomy and protection, and if the ethnically motivated crimes in Kosovo still continue, there should be a territorial exchange: Presevo against the Serbian enclaves.
The Serbian cultural heritage in Kosovo, some of them being UN world cultural heritage, should be guarded and protected by internationals against Kosovo Albanians trying to desecrate or damage it.
The idea of a democratic multi-ethnic Kosovo was good, but it was only an idea, and maybe naive from western powers to think you can bring democracy and tolerance to a society based on ethnic hate and clan mentality. Smart people try to find something else if an idea turns out not to work.
@ Yvan Lou, 30 July 2013 10:47
Can Putin ask Serbian authority to get a visa for visiting Kosovo?
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Yes, I think this can be easily and effortlessly arranged. Although, frankly, as the President of the permanent member of the UN Security Council, which safeguards and guarantees Serbian sovereignty in Kosovo pursuant to the UNSC Res. 1244, he almost certainly does not require a formal visa from his Serbian hosts. I am doubtful that he will be stopped by the Serbian immigration officials to check his status on his entry to the territory. And I do not recommend that Eulex officials do anything of a kind either.
Of course, he and his entourage may be harassed by the Albanian chauvinists and extremists, but this has nothing to do with the host country's (Serbia's) visa policy.
There are many living in Serbia that believe this Serbo-phobic policy by the West is permanent and here to stay, but those people are simply not looking at the bigger picture. Western policy changes all the time and is hardly consistent.
(Ari Gold, 29 July 2013 18:48)
You are absolutely right. If Serbs behave, the West is with the Serbs (like it's been in the past). If Serbs misbehave, it's obvious the West will be "Serbo-phobic". It's not about the West waking up one morning and saying today I want to be Serbo-phobic just for hobby...
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
(Beth, 30 July 2013 14:45)
I beg to differ here because I'm a big fan of the excellent analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj which has shown beyond any doubt that the corrupt West is broken and has collapsed and thus in no position to hand out anything. Only powerful and rich countries like Serbia, Russia and China can make handouts.
Fool you Peggy. There is no real friendship, it is a one way friendship at the most. Everything Russia does is 100% self serving.
(Ian, UK, 30 July 2013 08:03)
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OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
The main point is that both were not recognised by Russia until after the US engineered the so called independence of Kosovo not before. I hope you understand that now. Who declared what is irrelevant as this is a game big powers play.
You use the lazy sods -you know the funny thing is that your officials used those exact words during conversations after the conference but they were talking about civil servants. Lets hope your not one
helped you win the war??? hahahahahaha, you albanians didnt win anything ... if you won the war we wouldnt be where we are today now would we .. since 1999 you have been in a stalemate/no man's land and are not escaping that anytime soon or maybe even ever .. dont even think to blame milosevic for your misery in the 90s, you brought that on yourselves by rioting, killing civilians and police officers .. you started the trouble and milosevic rightly responded to stop the violence .. although not all albanians are responsible as some wanted to avoid violence and wanted to stay with serbia ...the serbians never wanted a war, and their intent was never to ethnically cleanse kosovo, it was to eliminate the kla, if they wanted to ethnically cleanse kosovo, the jna could have done that easily .. we lived in peace for 50+ years and all of a sudden some albanians started escalating tensions in kosovo, listen if your not happy in serbia then that is not a problem, leave serbia and go back to your own country albania .. you have no right to try and take away someones land when they helped you settle in and gave you jobs and support particular after ww2 when you left albania
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
(Beth, 30 July 2013 14:45)
Beth,
I beg to differ with you. Most of us send money home to our families. I do honest work, like most Albanian Kosovars. I have nothing to be ashamed of. The Serb gov't forced many of us to leave Kosova many years before the 1999 war because Milosevic removed many of us from our jobs. Finding work in Western Europe or America was the only way to support our families. I'm sure you would have done the same if you found yourself in my position. I am glad you never had to go through what many Albanians from Kosova had to experience. However, this only made us stronger and probably helped us win the war.
South Ossetia declared independence on 28 November 1991. The 2006 referendum was on supporting the status quo. The 2006 referendum question was "Should South Ossetia preserve its present status of a de facto independent state?".
Abkhazia first declared 'sovereignty' aka independence on 25 August 1990. The 1999 DOI was just a reconfirmation of the status quo.
But both have been de facto Russian Oblasts since the early 90s, Russia's recognition didn't change anything; it was just an attempt to legitimise their occupation. Russia hasn't fulfilled their promise of independence, this is why popularity for Russia is declining in ABSO.
And yes you got something wrong but won't admit it, so you have to change the subject and bring up UK economics. Yes civil servants are going to be loosing their jobs as the Coalition has brought in Universal Credit aka one combined single benefit instead have people claiming benefits from 30+ different government agencies. This will reduce administration and benefits abuse/ culture. Some legitimate claimers will unfairly lose out on it, but it will stop hundreds of thousands of cheating the system, the lesser of two evils I say. These lazy work-shy sods will have to get a job or the lazy gits can live on the streets instead of living off the taxes which I pay! The UK should copy Germany's benefits system tbh!
I hope Asia does invest more in the UK, it will help our economy to grow even more.
Can u give a realistic solution of Kosovo issue?
I mean realistic not unrealistic such as substancial authonomy or kill 1.8 million albanians and take over Kosovo.
It seems to me that the only realistic solution is Serbia to move on by recognising Kosovo.Serbia gets EU membership,Kosovo enters in UN.Win-win situation.
Spreading hatered by Putin and serb natiolanists doesnt solve the Kosovo issue and by not solving Kosovo issue Serbia will lose milions of euros every day.
Make the math,Kosovo is not worth holding at any cost.
Who cares? Russia will break up anyway. Chinese will take the East, Kazan will rise again and what will be left will be divided to the rest. Then China will break apart.
Easy..
(STFU, 30 July 2013 03:22)
The only one you're right about is that Kazan will rise again, but only after you STFU and start SMD.
Very easy.
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
who the f*** cares? It really amazes me how people both in Serbia/Kosovo can't have enough and are always creating headlines of stories like this, whether it is the US confirming their support for the independent state of Kosovo or Russia vowing never to recognize it, as if it were some striking new development. It further amazes me that they think that it has something to do with them. Truly sad, people.
South Ossetia and Abkhazia split from Georgia in 1992 (there have been Russian troops there ever since) and the US recognised Kosovo in 2008.
But as usual with you, the maths doesn't add up.
(Ian, UK, 30 July 2013 10:20)
South Ossetia and Abkhazia had troubles with Tbilisi since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Abkhazia only decaled its independence in 1999, while South Ossetia held a referendum in 2006, but both were not recognised by Russia until after the US engineered the so called independence of Kosovo not before.
Since you’re on the subject of maths it was very nice to hear that your Exchequer was again boasting at a conference in Singapore about 10 days ago of their skills at cutting the budget with another 40 000 of your civil servants to be made redundant. It seems this is on top of what is already planned. The conference was about enticing Asian economies to invest in the UK. Let’s hope you’re not one of the 40,000.
Read your history and you will see had the United States of Windbags not recognised Kosovo South Ossetia and Abkhazia would never have been split from Georgia.
(sj, 30 July 2013 01:45)
South Ossetia and Abkhazia split from Georgia in 1992 (there have been Russian troops there ever since) and the US recognised Kosovo in 2008.
Here we go again. Albanians commenting on what is going on between Serbia and Russia and predictably not happy about the real friendship. Something they will never know.
(Peggy, 29 July 2013 23:06)
Fool you Peggy. There is no real friendship, it is a one way friendship at the most. Everything Russia does is 100% self serving.
Who cares? Russia will break up anyway. Chinese will take the East, Kazan will rise again and what will be left will be divided to the rest. Then China will break apart.
. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 July 2013 18:31)
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Are you drunk?
Hey Dardani you wally.....97% in KOSOVO want nothing to do with Serbia. That's the best news I've heard in ages. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to show them the door so that they can leave that part of SERBIA. Just make sure that you shut it once they've gone so that God-willing they don't come back !!!!,
Look who's talking, the guy who commited genocide in chechnya.
(Bridge, 29 July 2013 23:19)
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Genocide? Who said he did that?
After the Beslan massacre one cannot deny he would have been justfied if he had done that, but he didn't.
Then again we have the Boston terrorist attack. Those poor innocent Chechens, so misunderstood.
As usual Putin forgot to mention South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I wonder what is Georgia has to say about that?!
(Avni, 29 July 2013 22:07)
Read your history and you will see had the United States of Windbags not recognised Kosovo South Ossetia and Abkhazia would never have been split from Georgia.
Putin can't even control PUSSY RIOT after putting them in jail, let alone help Serbia. He remembers how badly he was humiliated in Chechnya, imagine how he would feel after getting his nose bloodied in Kosova. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 July 2013 18:31)
With what are you going to bloody his nose? Last I recall Chechnya is still with Russia. With what are you going to chase him out with? The mighty Albo donkey brigades/ or perhaps the fierce goat riding bearded Albanian members of NATO?
97% of Kosova's population doesn't want to have anything to do with Serbia.
Take a sleeping pill old man, you look very tired.
(Dardani, 29 July 2013 15:06)
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HE'S looking tired?
Here we go again. Albanians commenting on what is going on between Serbia and Russia and predictably not happy about the real friendship. Something they will never know.
Is this the same Putin that sent the Russian troops out of Kosovo, say what you want about Yeltsin but he at least sent in troops. Putin talks a lot but there's little substance, you need to really really step on Russia's toes like Georgia did to get any kind of real reaction... and where are the S-300 for Iran and Syria, Putin? All talk while allies are left with nice words on paper.
Serbs should just nod their heads and thank for the nice words Putin utters once in a while and focus more on their economy and cooperating with neighbors that are in the same boat as Serbia vs hostile muslims.
Putin/Russia is not the answer to Serbia, our region has always fallen based on internal neglect, don't look for outside answers, there aren't, and the EU n NATO can go screw themselves!
Kosovo will never be part if Serbia ever again, and most people in Serbia actually agree with that. Looks as if those politicians in Belgrade actually do not represent what their own people want....
(Willi Pfaff, 29 July 2013 15:57)
Hey Pfaff, learn this here about Kosovo* before the next time you write about Kosovo* so you don't continue making a fool of yourself like the rest of the Albanians here in front of all these various western monitors that frequent this site:
Kosovo* is Serbia and Kosova* is the name of the Stillborn that's often used by the thieving occupiers in the province, however with much less frequency now than before--which is a good thing. Got that???
What most Serbs agree with-my German pretending Albanian friend, is that the current solution to the conflicts of ex-Yugoslavia are not just nor a sustainable reality but there are other more immediate problems facing the daily lives of Serbs living in the Balkans.
There are many living in Serbia that believe this Serbo-phobic policy by the West is permanent and here to stay, but those people are simply not looking at the bigger picture. Western policy changes all the time and is hardly consistent. It is however up to the diaspora Serbs to provide a more accurate image of Serbs within the communities they live in.
The discourse that actively supporting the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija is going to lead to a better future is a myth and many people are waking up to it even in Serbia.
As for "Milosevic dreams", Kosovo i Metohija is much more important than Slobo's entire existence. That's because Kosovo i Metohija is before this insignificant leader in Serbian history.
In case you really are German (doubt it), your hatred towards Serbs was before Milosevic too. While your traditional allies in the Balkans signed up for your oppressive attempts to control Europe, Serbs always took the responsibility of ridding the region of German domination.
Putin can't even control PUSSY RIOT after putting them in jail, let alone help Serbia. He remembers how badly he was humiliated in Chechnya, imagine how he would feel after getting his nose bloodied in Kosova. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
I think this is why the Serbian government ignores the 63% of serbia who say Kosovo is independent! They are trying to have good ties with Russia who is using Kosovo being part of Serbia to deal with he humiliation of 1999 when Russia was totally ignored when NATO went to war! So dacic and nikolic have to just stop short of saying Kosovo is independent and there is a laison officer not ambassador and the border custom people deal with eulex! There also the old Serbia constitution too!
A misleading headline. He said: Kosovo is legally Serbian territory, which is totally correct, knowing that UN1244 defines Kosovo as a province of EX-YU under temporary administration, and Serbia is the legal successor of Ex-YU.
The comments from dizzy diaspora Serbs here show what kind of thinking they follow, and it certainly has nothing to do with what we call democratic.
I had the distinct pleasure of experiencing Serbia first hand during this past week and I must say these Serb ex-pads have not much to do with the Serb population in general. They live in a different world, still wrapped up in the old Milosevic thinking, where the real Serb population is faced with completely different problems. When it comes to the economic condition there is no big difference between Kosovo and Serbia; it's equally bad. Some people here call Kosovo a hell hole, well the same can be said about big parts of Serbia. People in Serbia had it with all the old talk and want to see a future. They do not want to fight a loosing battle about Kosovo, and finally want a future, just like the kosovars. All this energy list with fighting against each other is a wast of time and money. Kosovo will never be part if Serbia ever again, and most people in Serbia actually agree with that. Looks as if those politicians in Belgrade actually do not represent what their own people want....
We have to count on the Patriarch to save Serbia from its politicians. It really says a lot about the people running Serbia. I do not blame the Russians when they say that they cannot be bigger Serbs than Serbs themselves however, in this case they will have to be if they want to keep Serbia on their side, otherwise the corrupt gutless government will sell the country entire out.
Putin: "Moscow will continue to consistently support Serbia in the righteous fight to preserve its territory, population and churches in Kosovo and Metohija, the Russian president said. "
97% of Kosova's population doesn't want to have anything to do with Serbia.
Take a sleeping pill old man, you look very tired.
"And that's all this is too, just another occupation."
funny how 93% of those who live here prefer this occupation to the freedom serbia is offering them :-)....perhaps you people are not good at setting others free eh?
As one poster already said, your forefathers were saying Kosovo does not look Serbian during the Ottoman and Nazi occupations of Serbia. And that's all this is too, just another occupation. And just like those were lifted, so will this one.
Put it this way Roberto, should Kosova ever fall into Serbian hands again (it's never going to), you'll have been long dead. So enjoy talking about, you sure as hell won't get to see it
Nikolle,That is exactly what your forefathers said during the ottoman and nazi occupation of Serbia's southern province of KiM. If you currently live in KiM, you should brush up on your Serbian language skills.
Or perhaps albanians need actual brains instead of living in their little dream fantasy land ... don't worry albanians I hear the organ trafficking is huge in kosovo where you can get any organ you need, I suggest you call that terrorist thaci in order to make this happen ... last time I checked kosovo wasn't in any intl organizations where it will never join anything including the un, eu, osce, sports federations, and etc .. and for all of kosovos "diplomacy" it can't even partake in the olympics ... when russia says something it means it and is willing to back it up, unlike america who will either not try or will back out of a fight that it knows will be tough or that it cannot win, see vietnam and syria for further proof .. oh nice job in syria america, looks like assad is remaining in power against your terrorists .. same thing will happen in kosovo eventually as it will come under serbian control .. putin isn't just saying kosovo is legally serbian territory,but that they will help serbia fight to preserve it ..something tells me kosovo will be coming under new management in the future, have your fun now albanians because it will not last, history has shown us that changes are dynamic and inevitable in the balkans
Or perhaps albanians need actual brains instead of living in their little dream fantasy land ... don't worry albanians I hear the organ trafficking is huge in kosovo where you can get any organ you need, I suggest you call that terrorist thaci in order to make this happen ... last time I checked kosovo wasn't in any intl organizations where it will never join anything including the un, eu, osce, sports federations, and etc .. and for all of kosovos "diplomacy" it can't even partake in the olympics ... when russia says something it means it and is willing to back it up, unlike america who will either not try or will back out of a fight that it knows will be tough or that it cannot win, see vietnam and syria for further proof .. oh nice job in syria america, looks like assad is remaining in power against your terrorists .. same thing will happen in kosovo eventually as it will come under serbian control .. putin isn't just saying kosovo is legally serbian territory,but that they will help serbia fight to preserve it ..something tells me kosovo will be coming under new management in the future, have your fun now albanians because it will not last, history has shown us that changes are dynamic and inevitable in the balkans
As one poster already said, your forefathers were saying Kosovo does not look Serbian during the Ottoman and Nazi occupations of Serbia. And that's all this is too, just another occupation. And just like those were lifted, so will this one.
Nikolle,That is exactly what your forefathers said during the ottoman and nazi occupation of Serbia's southern province of KiM. If you currently live in KiM, you should brush up on your Serbian language skills.
"And that's all this is too, just another occupation."
funny how 93% of those who live here prefer this occupation to the freedom serbia is offering them :-)....perhaps you people are not good at setting others free eh?
We have to count on the Patriarch to save Serbia from its politicians. It really says a lot about the people running Serbia. I do not blame the Russians when they say that they cannot be bigger Serbs than Serbs themselves however, in this case they will have to be if they want to keep Serbia on their side, otherwise the corrupt gutless government will sell the country entire out.
Putin: "Moscow will continue to consistently support Serbia in the righteous fight to preserve its territory, population and churches in Kosovo and Metohija, the Russian president said. "
97% of Kosova's population doesn't want to have anything to do with Serbia.
Take a sleeping pill old man, you look very tired.
The comments from dizzy diaspora Serbs here show what kind of thinking they follow, and it certainly has nothing to do with what we call democratic.
I had the distinct pleasure of experiencing Serbia first hand during this past week and I must say these Serb ex-pads have not much to do with the Serb population in general. They live in a different world, still wrapped up in the old Milosevic thinking, where the real Serb population is faced with completely different problems. When it comes to the economic condition there is no big difference between Kosovo and Serbia; it's equally bad. Some people here call Kosovo a hell hole, well the same can be said about big parts of Serbia. People in Serbia had it with all the old talk and want to see a future. They do not want to fight a loosing battle about Kosovo, and finally want a future, just like the kosovars. All this energy list with fighting against each other is a wast of time and money. Kosovo will never be part if Serbia ever again, and most people in Serbia actually agree with that. Looks as if those politicians in Belgrade actually do not represent what their own people want....
Put it this way Roberto, should Kosova ever fall into Serbian hands again (it's never going to), you'll have been long dead. So enjoy talking about, you sure as hell won't get to see it
What most Serbs agree with-my German pretending Albanian friend, is that the current solution to the conflicts of ex-Yugoslavia are not just nor a sustainable reality but there are other more immediate problems facing the daily lives of Serbs living in the Balkans.
There are many living in Serbia that believe this Serbo-phobic policy by the West is permanent and here to stay, but those people are simply not looking at the bigger picture. Western policy changes all the time and is hardly consistent. It is however up to the diaspora Serbs to provide a more accurate image of Serbs within the communities they live in.
The discourse that actively supporting the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija is going to lead to a better future is a myth and many people are waking up to it even in Serbia.
As for "Milosevic dreams", Kosovo i Metohija is much more important than Slobo's entire existence. That's because Kosovo i Metohija is before this insignificant leader in Serbian history.
In case you really are German (doubt it), your hatred towards Serbs was before Milosevic too. While your traditional allies in the Balkans signed up for your oppressive attempts to control Europe, Serbs always took the responsibility of ridding the region of German domination.
97% of Kosova's population doesn't want to have anything to do with Serbia.
Take a sleeping pill old man, you look very tired.
(Dardani, 29 July 2013 15:06)
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HE'S looking tired?
Here we go again. Albanians commenting on what is going on between Serbia and Russia and predictably not happy about the real friendship. Something they will never know.
Kosovo will never be part if Serbia ever again, and most people in Serbia actually agree with that. Looks as if those politicians in Belgrade actually do not represent what their own people want....
(Willi Pfaff, 29 July 2013 15:57)
Hey Pfaff, learn this here about Kosovo* before the next time you write about Kosovo* so you don't continue making a fool of yourself like the rest of the Albanians here in front of all these various western monitors that frequent this site:
Kosovo* is Serbia and Kosova* is the name of the Stillborn that's often used by the thieving occupiers in the province, however with much less frequency now than before--which is a good thing. Got that???
Here we go again. Albanians commenting on what is going on between Serbia and Russia and predictably not happy about the real friendship. Something they will never know.
(Peggy, 29 July 2013 23:06)
Fool you Peggy. There is no real friendship, it is a one way friendship at the most. Everything Russia does is 100% self serving.
Is this the same Putin that sent the Russian troops out of Kosovo, say what you want about Yeltsin but he at least sent in troops. Putin talks a lot but there's little substance, you need to really really step on Russia's toes like Georgia did to get any kind of real reaction... and where are the S-300 for Iran and Syria, Putin? All talk while allies are left with nice words on paper.
Serbs should just nod their heads and thank for the nice words Putin utters once in a while and focus more on their economy and cooperating with neighbors that are in the same boat as Serbia vs hostile muslims.
Putin/Russia is not the answer to Serbia, our region has always fallen based on internal neglect, don't look for outside answers, there aren't, and the EU n NATO can go screw themselves!
A misleading headline. He said: Kosovo is legally Serbian territory, which is totally correct, knowing that UN1244 defines Kosovo as a province of EX-YU under temporary administration, and Serbia is the legal successor of Ex-YU.
Putin can't even control PUSSY RIOT after putting them in jail, let alone help Serbia. He remembers how badly he was humiliated in Chechnya, imagine how he would feel after getting his nose bloodied in Kosova. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
Hey Dardani you wally.....97% in KOSOVO want nothing to do with Serbia. That's the best news I've heard in ages. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to show them the door so that they can leave that part of SERBIA. Just make sure that you shut it once they've gone so that God-willing they don't come back !!!!,
Read your history and you will see had the United States of Windbags not recognised Kosovo South Ossetia and Abkhazia would never have been split from Georgia.
(sj, 30 July 2013 01:45)
South Ossetia and Abkhazia split from Georgia in 1992 (there have been Russian troops there ever since) and the US recognised Kosovo in 2008.
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
Putin can't even control PUSSY RIOT after putting them in jail, let alone help Serbia. He remembers how badly he was humiliated in Chechnya, imagine how he would feel after getting his nose bloodied in Kosova. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 July 2013 18:31)
With what are you going to bloody his nose? Last I recall Chechnya is still with Russia. With what are you going to chase him out with? The mighty Albo donkey brigades/ or perhaps the fierce goat riding bearded Albanian members of NATO?
South Ossetia and Abkhazia split from Georgia in 1992 (there have been Russian troops there ever since) and the US recognised Kosovo in 2008.
But as usual with you, the maths doesn't add up.
(Ian, UK, 30 July 2013 10:20)
South Ossetia and Abkhazia had troubles with Tbilisi since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Abkhazia only decaled its independence in 1999, while South Ossetia held a referendum in 2006, but both were not recognised by Russia until after the US engineered the so called independence of Kosovo not before.
Since you’re on the subject of maths it was very nice to hear that your Exchequer was again boasting at a conference in Singapore about 10 days ago of their skills at cutting the budget with another 40 000 of your civil servants to be made redundant. It seems this is on top of what is already planned. The conference was about enticing Asian economies to invest in the UK. Let’s hope you’re not one of the 40,000.
As usual Putin forgot to mention South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I wonder what is Georgia has to say about that?!
(Avni, 29 July 2013 22:07)
Read your history and you will see had the United States of Windbags not recognised Kosovo South Ossetia and Abkhazia would never have been split from Georgia.
. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 July 2013 18:31)
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Are you drunk?
Who cares? Russia will break up anyway. Chinese will take the East, Kazan will rise again and what will be left will be divided to the rest. Then China will break apart.
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
(Beth, 30 July 2013 14:45)
Beth,
I beg to differ with you. Most of us send money home to our families. I do honest work, like most Albanian Kosovars. I have nothing to be ashamed of. The Serb gov't forced many of us to leave Kosova many years before the 1999 war because Milosevic removed many of us from our jobs. Finding work in Western Europe or America was the only way to support our families. I'm sure you would have done the same if you found yourself in my position. I am glad you never had to go through what many Albanians from Kosova had to experience. However, this only made us stronger and probably helped us win the war.
Look who's talking, the guy who commited genocide in chechnya.
(Bridge, 29 July 2013 23:19)
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Genocide? Who said he did that?
After the Beslan massacre one cannot deny he would have been justfied if he had done that, but he didn't.
Then again we have the Boston terrorist attack. Those poor innocent Chechens, so misunderstood.
Can u give a realistic solution of Kosovo issue?
I mean realistic not unrealistic such as substancial authonomy or kill 1.8 million albanians and take over Kosovo.
It seems to me that the only realistic solution is Serbia to move on by recognising Kosovo.Serbia gets EU membership,Kosovo enters in UN.Win-win situation.
Spreading hatered by Putin and serb natiolanists doesnt solve the Kosovo issue and by not solving Kosovo issue Serbia will lose milions of euros every day.
Make the math,Kosovo is not worth holding at any cost.
I think this is why the Serbian government ignores the 63% of serbia who say Kosovo is independent! They are trying to have good ties with Russia who is using Kosovo being part of Serbia to deal with he humiliation of 1999 when Russia was totally ignored when NATO went to war! So dacic and nikolic have to just stop short of saying Kosovo is independent and there is a laison officer not ambassador and the border custom people deal with eulex! There also the old Serbia constitution too!
who the f*** cares? It really amazes me how people both in Serbia/Kosovo can't have enough and are always creating headlines of stories like this, whether it is the US confirming their support for the independent state of Kosovo or Russia vowing never to recognize it, as if it were some striking new development. It further amazes me that they think that it has something to do with them. Truly sad, people.
Who cares? Russia will break up anyway. Chinese will take the East, Kazan will rise again and what will be left will be divided to the rest. Then China will break apart.
Easy..
(STFU, 30 July 2013 03:22)
The only one you're right about is that Kazan will rise again, but only after you STFU and start SMD.
Very easy.
helped you win the war??? hahahahahaha, you albanians didnt win anything ... if you won the war we wouldnt be where we are today now would we .. since 1999 you have been in a stalemate/no man's land and are not escaping that anytime soon or maybe even ever .. dont even think to blame milosevic for your misery in the 90s, you brought that on yourselves by rioting, killing civilians and police officers .. you started the trouble and milosevic rightly responded to stop the violence .. although not all albanians are responsible as some wanted to avoid violence and wanted to stay with serbia ...the serbians never wanted a war, and their intent was never to ethnically cleanse kosovo, it was to eliminate the kla, if they wanted to ethnically cleanse kosovo, the jna could have done that easily .. we lived in peace for 50+ years and all of a sudden some albanians started escalating tensions in kosovo, listen if your not happy in serbia then that is not a problem, leave serbia and go back to your own country albania .. you have no right to try and take away someones land when they helped you settle in and gave you jobs and support particular after ww2 when you left albania
Very interesting Comm. that you use the word society so freely. I'm sure you have no idea what society actually means. Tell me one thing, when has the Kosovar 'society' displayed ethnic hatred against say the Turks, Croats, Egyptians? Out of curiosity, are Serbs a society that is also based on ethnic hatred? Looking at The Hague, you'll notice I'm sure that most of the prisoners happen to belong to a particular ethnic group convicted of ethnically based genocide. You have no idea what you're on about. Very bizarre to me, that an apparent Euro enthusiast should resort to generalisations oh so freely.
OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
(Peggy, 31 July 2013 01:17)
A Russian would be friendly towards a Serb yes, but a Russian Politician would think of Russia only.
If you asked an average Brit what they think of Albanians, they'd say "they're Eastern Europeans" in a derogatory way. But that would be the same answer as to what a Brit would think about Serbs, Russians and anyone from a former Eastern Bloc country.
Did American Volunteers fight for Albanians during the Kosovo War? Yes
As did Australians such as Craig Jurisevic. He is of Serb heritage btw.
(Ian, UK, 31 July 2013 12:36)
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Can you point me to some link or reference that verifies that?
This is what he says.
"in the early '70s, we were surrounded fairly much by vast expanses of market gardens - lots of market gardens, run by mainly Italian immigrants, so it was a very multicultural part of Adelaide. Well, my father met my mum in 1959, when Mum arrived in Australia, as a refugee from Yugoslavia."
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He mentions Yugoslavia not Serbia.
Here is something else:
PETER THOMPSON: That grandfather of yours, Frank...
DR CRAIG JURISEVIC: Yes.
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Frank is not a Serbian name. Try Croatian Franjo which is Frank in English.
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And here are your non Albanian volunteers.
"DR CRAIG JURISEVIC: The KLA were by no means virtuous and angels. There were criminals and killers amongst the KLA, but where I found myself at that point in time, at that location, the majority of the KLA were refugees with guns. Many were also Kosovar or Albanian expatriates from Germany, the United States, who volunteered to come back and fight."
Since you love this doctor so much then you must trust what he says and what he clearly says is that Albanians from various countries came back to fight NOT Germans, French etc. but Albanians who live in those countries.
Actually you're the pollution. Just because you expelled most of Serbs doesn't mean it is not their land and you are the undesirable element there.
(Peggy, 1 August 2013 10:01)
So, you're saying that just because Serbs expelled most of whoever was in Kosovo before Serbs arrived there, doesn't mean it is not their land and Serbs are the undesirable element there.
South Ossetia declared independence on 28 November 1991. The 2006 referendum was on supporting the status quo. The 2006 referendum question was "Should South Ossetia preserve its present status of a de facto independent state?".
Abkhazia first declared 'sovereignty' aka independence on 25 August 1990. The 1999 DOI was just a reconfirmation of the status quo.
But both have been de facto Russian Oblasts since the early 90s, Russia's recognition didn't change anything; it was just an attempt to legitimise their occupation. Russia hasn't fulfilled their promise of independence, this is why popularity for Russia is declining in ABSO.
And yes you got something wrong but won't admit it, so you have to change the subject and bring up UK economics. Yes civil servants are going to be loosing their jobs as the Coalition has brought in Universal Credit aka one combined single benefit instead have people claiming benefits from 30+ different government agencies. This will reduce administration and benefits abuse/ culture. Some legitimate claimers will unfairly lose out on it, but it will stop hundreds of thousands of cheating the system, the lesser of two evils I say. These lazy work-shy sods will have to get a job or the lazy gits can live on the streets instead of living off the taxes which I pay! The UK should copy Germany's benefits system tbh!
I hope Asia does invest more in the UK, it will help our economy to grow even more.
The main point is that both were not recognised by Russia until after the US engineered the so called independence of Kosovo not before. I hope you understand that now. Who declared what is irrelevant as this is a game big powers play.
You use the lazy sods -you know the funny thing is that your officials used those exact words during conversations after the conference but they were talking about civil servants. Lets hope your not one
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
(Beth, 30 July 2013 14:45)
I beg to differ here because I'm a big fan of the excellent analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj which has shown beyond any doubt that the corrupt West is broken and has collapsed and thus in no position to hand out anything. Only powerful and rich countries like Serbia, Russia and China can make handouts.
There are many living in Serbia that believe this Serbo-phobic policy by the West is permanent and here to stay, but those people are simply not looking at the bigger picture. Western policy changes all the time and is hardly consistent.
(Ari Gold, 29 July 2013 18:48)
You are absolutely right. If Serbs behave, the West is with the Serbs (like it's been in the past). If Serbs misbehave, it's obvious the West will be "Serbo-phobic". It's not about the West waking up one morning and saying today I want to be Serbo-phobic just for hobby...
@ Yvan Lou, 30 July 2013 10:47
Can Putin ask Serbian authority to get a visa for visiting Kosovo?
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Yes, I think this can be easily and effortlessly arranged. Although, frankly, as the President of the permanent member of the UN Security Council, which safeguards and guarantees Serbian sovereignty in Kosovo pursuant to the UNSC Res. 1244, he almost certainly does not require a formal visa from his Serbian hosts. I am doubtful that he will be stopped by the Serbian immigration officials to check his status on his entry to the territory. And I do not recommend that Eulex officials do anything of a kind either.
Of course, he and his entourage may be harassed by the Albanian chauvinists and extremists, but this has nothing to do with the host country's (Serbia's) visa policy.
I can tell you what the poms think of Albanians. Albanian criminality is entrenched in the UK so you can guess what the poms think..
(sj, 31 July 2013 14:27)
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Albanians are deluding themselves if they think they are wanted anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b1qHSZQZNY
We unfortunately have to put up with them because Tito made it very easy for them to pour in and breed like crazy.
Ever wondered why the non Orthodox republics don't have Albanians? Someone made sure that only Serbia was polluted the most and their lovely Croatia or Slovenia wasn't. All the bad element went to Orthodox republics.
Croatia in the last 500 years has been polluted by Orthodox elements. With pollution remaining at 4% I'm sure we can clear the air once and for all so we can all breathe alot easier.
(Bam Bam, 1 August 2013 02:23)
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Actually you're the pollution. Just because you expelled most of Serbs doesn't mean it is not their land and you are the undesirable element there.
Tell you what, why don't you invite all the Albanians living in Serbia to take their place. The population can exchange their residences and all will be happy.
Will that make you happy?
Fool you Peggy. There is no real friendship, it is a one way friendship at the most. Everything Russia does is 100% self serving.
(Ian, UK, 30 July 2013 08:03)
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OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
(Peggy, 31 July 2013 01:17)
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: http://iwpr.net/report-news/kosovars-refute-islamic-terror-claims
From France, source: http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/199904/90420-001-trae-tir.htm
And from Croatia, source: http://www.cfiva.org/cfiva/history/index.cfm
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: [link]
From France, source: [link]
And from Croatia, source: [link]
(Ian, UK, 31 July 2013 12:53)
What foreigners are you talking about? These volunteers are all Albanians working in those countries. The Croats wouldn’t give you guys the time of day as they threw out all Albanians out of Croatia during their operation storm just like your Albanians kicked out all Croats from Kosovo in 1999.
Where do you get this stuff form? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands lately. Have they made you redundant from teh civil service?
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: [link]
From France, source: [link]
And from Croatia, source: [link]
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Croatian volunteers I can believe, but the others are Albanians from those countries.
Yes, two from Australia, David Hicks and the good doctor from Adelaide. But who is the doctor and what ethnic background is he? David Hicks was also fighting in Afghanistan because he is a Muslim convert and we all know that converts are nuttier than the ones born Muslim.
Croatians will join the devil if it meant killing Serbs.
@Peggy..Ever wondered why the non Orthodox republics don't have Albanians? Someone made sure that only Serbia was polluted the most and their lovely Croatia or Slovenia wasn't. All the bad element went to Orthodox republics.
Croatia in the last 500 years has been polluted by Orthodox elements. With pollution remaining at 4% I'm sure we can clear the air once and for all so we can all breathe alot easier.
So, you're saying that just because Serbs expelled most of whoever was in Kosovo before Serbs arrived there, doesn't mean it is not their land and Serbs are the undesirable element there.
(icj1, 2 August 2013 06:31)
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I am really sick of you guys making ridiculous claims. How about you show some proof of what you are saying instead of just shooting your mouth off.
Go on, offer some proof or just shut up.
"Can u give a realistic solution of Kosovo issue?
I mean realistic not unrealistic such as substancial authonomy or kill 1.8 million albanians and take over Kosovo. "
(Mirel from Albania, 30 July 2013 16:45)
I'm not a Serbian commentator, but a realistic solution would be a split of Kosovo along ethnic lines, the Ibar would be a great border. For the remaining Serbs in the southern parts, there should be autonomy and protection, and if the ethnically motivated crimes in Kosovo still continue, there should be a territorial exchange: Presevo against the Serbian enclaves.
The Serbian cultural heritage in Kosovo, some of them being UN world cultural heritage, should be guarded and protected by internationals against Kosovo Albanians trying to desecrate or damage it.
The idea of a democratic multi-ethnic Kosovo was good, but it was only an idea, and maybe naive from western powers to think you can bring democracy and tolerance to a society based on ethnic hate and clan mentality. Smart people try to find something else if an idea turns out not to work.
(Nikolle, 31 July 2013 10:01)
“...., when has the Kosovar 'society' displayed ethnic hatred against say the Turks, Croats, Egyptians? “
I have yet to see an intelligent Albanian making comment on this site. But you my friend have taken the proverbial cake. In 1999 after NATO came into Kosovo your Albanian human rights loving brothers kicked out ethnic Turks, your brother Croats, Roma and everyone that was not an Albanian. In fact Roma of Muslim faith suffered terribly under the kind hands of their Albania friends so they live close to Serbs settlements. This is very well documented by EULEX, UN and even NATO officials. You have no idea what you're on about
Now on the issue of crime, yes they have shut a few Serbs but that was to be expected as star chambers are nothing but that. However, the Albanians fill European prisons and even Hollywood uses Albanians as the new criminals not Serbs.
Be my guest sj and provide a link for this supposed anti Turkish pogrom that apparently happened in Kosova after the withdrawal of Serbian forces. Same applies for the Croats. Go ahead, prove me wrong. As for Hollywood, is this what you cling on to now? Movies? Well, a case of being defeated if I ever saw one. If we're lucky, they'll typecast us in the Star Wars franchise next, hopefully on the dark side.
This is very well documented by EULEX, UN and even NATO officials.
However, here is an extract from Croatian sources:
“…. the newspaper quotes the words of Croats from Janjevo, who state that, with the arrival of the KLA to this town, provocation from Albanians has commenced, provocation that "the Croats found increasingly hard to bear".
A couple of days ago, disturbing information on the destiny of the Croats from Janjevo has arrived to the Croat embassy in Skopje. It was said that the members of the KLA maltreat them and that the Croats were once even lined before a firing squad…”
Zagreb newspaper quote the words of the Croats from Janjevo, who state that it was easy for them while "the Serbs were in power" in their town. No one bothered them, they could get food and cigarettes through Serb policemen and the Serb army and, when leaving, a Yugoslav Army unit left 350 kilograms of flour for the Croats at the local bakery…”
The newspaper adds that parish priest Matej Palic tried to negotiated with the Albanians, in the hope that "reason will triumph, but they had to move".
Croat sources not Serb.
ian,
not only do you have portraits of the queen and margaret thatcher hanging in your bedroom wall you have also added jurisevic next to them.
fitting really for someone like yourself who lives in a land of fairytales.
you make me laugh..good for my health!
The comments from dizzy diaspora Serbs here show what kind of thinking they follow, and it certainly has nothing to do with what we call democratic.
I had the distinct pleasure of experiencing Serbia first hand during this past week and I must say these Serb ex-pads have not much to do with the Serb population in general. They live in a different world, still wrapped up in the old Milosevic thinking, where the real Serb population is faced with completely different problems. When it comes to the economic condition there is no big difference between Kosovo and Serbia; it's equally bad. Some people here call Kosovo a hell hole, well the same can be said about big parts of Serbia. People in Serbia had it with all the old talk and want to see a future. They do not want to fight a loosing battle about Kosovo, and finally want a future, just like the kosovars. All this energy list with fighting against each other is a wast of time and money. Kosovo will never be part if Serbia ever again, and most people in Serbia actually agree with that. Looks as if those politicians in Belgrade actually do not represent what their own people want....
Putin: "Moscow will continue to consistently support Serbia in the righteous fight to preserve its territory, population and churches in Kosovo and Metohija, the Russian president said. "
97% of Kosova's population doesn't want to have anything to do with Serbia.
Take a sleeping pill old man, you look very tired.
Put it this way Roberto, should Kosova ever fall into Serbian hands again (it's never going to), you'll have been long dead. So enjoy talking about, you sure as hell won't get to see it
"And that's all this is too, just another occupation."
funny how 93% of those who live here prefer this occupation to the freedom serbia is offering them :-)....perhaps you people are not good at setting others free eh?
Or perhaps albanians need actual brains instead of living in their little dream fantasy land ... don't worry albanians I hear the organ trafficking is huge in kosovo where you can get any organ you need, I suggest you call that terrorist thaci in order to make this happen ... last time I checked kosovo wasn't in any intl organizations where it will never join anything including the un, eu, osce, sports federations, and etc .. and for all of kosovos "diplomacy" it can't even partake in the olympics ... when russia says something it means it and is willing to back it up, unlike america who will either not try or will back out of a fight that it knows will be tough or that it cannot win, see vietnam and syria for further proof .. oh nice job in syria america, looks like assad is remaining in power against your terrorists .. same thing will happen in kosovo eventually as it will come under serbian control .. putin isn't just saying kosovo is legally serbian territory,but that they will help serbia fight to preserve it ..something tells me kosovo will be coming under new management in the future, have your fun now albanians because it will not last, history has shown us that changes are dynamic and inevitable in the balkans
As one poster already said, your forefathers were saying Kosovo does not look Serbian during the Ottoman and Nazi occupations of Serbia. And that's all this is too, just another occupation. And just like those were lifted, so will this one.
Nikolle,That is exactly what your forefathers said during the ottoman and nazi occupation of Serbia's southern province of KiM. If you currently live in KiM, you should brush up on your Serbian language skills.
Putin can't even control PUSSY RIOT after putting them in jail, let alone help Serbia. He remembers how badly he was humiliated in Chechnya, imagine how he would feel after getting his nose bloodied in Kosova. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
What most Serbs agree with-my German pretending Albanian friend, is that the current solution to the conflicts of ex-Yugoslavia are not just nor a sustainable reality but there are other more immediate problems facing the daily lives of Serbs living in the Balkans.
There are many living in Serbia that believe this Serbo-phobic policy by the West is permanent and here to stay, but those people are simply not looking at the bigger picture. Western policy changes all the time and is hardly consistent. It is however up to the diaspora Serbs to provide a more accurate image of Serbs within the communities they live in.
The discourse that actively supporting the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija is going to lead to a better future is a myth and many people are waking up to it even in Serbia.
As for "Milosevic dreams", Kosovo i Metohija is much more important than Slobo's entire existence. That's because Kosovo i Metohija is before this insignificant leader in Serbian history.
In case you really are German (doubt it), your hatred towards Serbs was before Milosevic too. While your traditional allies in the Balkans signed up for your oppressive attempts to control Europe, Serbs always took the responsibility of ridding the region of German domination.
97% of Kosova's population doesn't want to have anything to do with Serbia.
Take a sleeping pill old man, you look very tired.
(Dardani, 29 July 2013 15:06)
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HE'S looking tired?
Here we go again. Albanians commenting on what is going on between Serbia and Russia and predictably not happy about the real friendship. Something they will never know.
Kosovo will never be part if Serbia ever again, and most people in Serbia actually agree with that. Looks as if those politicians in Belgrade actually do not represent what their own people want....
(Willi Pfaff, 29 July 2013 15:57)
Hey Pfaff, learn this here about Kosovo* before the next time you write about Kosovo* so you don't continue making a fool of yourself like the rest of the Albanians here in front of all these various western monitors that frequent this site:
Kosovo* is Serbia and Kosova* is the name of the Stillborn that's often used by the thieving occupiers in the province, however with much less frequency now than before--which is a good thing. Got that???
We have to count on the Patriarch to save Serbia from its politicians. It really says a lot about the people running Serbia. I do not blame the Russians when they say that they cannot be bigger Serbs than Serbs themselves however, in this case they will have to be if they want to keep Serbia on their side, otherwise the corrupt gutless government will sell the country entire out.
Can u give a realistic solution of Kosovo issue?
I mean realistic not unrealistic such as substancial authonomy or kill 1.8 million albanians and take over Kosovo.
It seems to me that the only realistic solution is Serbia to move on by recognising Kosovo.Serbia gets EU membership,Kosovo enters in UN.Win-win situation.
Spreading hatered by Putin and serb natiolanists doesnt solve the Kosovo issue and by not solving Kosovo issue Serbia will lose milions of euros every day.
Make the math,Kosovo is not worth holding at any cost.
Here we go again. Albanians commenting on what is going on between Serbia and Russia and predictably not happy about the real friendship. Something they will never know.
(Peggy, 29 July 2013 23:06)
Fool you Peggy. There is no real friendship, it is a one way friendship at the most. Everything Russia does is 100% self serving.
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
(Beth, 30 July 2013 14:45)
Beth,
I beg to differ with you. Most of us send money home to our families. I do honest work, like most Albanian Kosovars. I have nothing to be ashamed of. The Serb gov't forced many of us to leave Kosova many years before the 1999 war because Milosevic removed many of us from our jobs. Finding work in Western Europe or America was the only way to support our families. I'm sure you would have done the same if you found yourself in my position. I am glad you never had to go through what many Albanians from Kosova had to experience. However, this only made us stronger and probably helped us win the war.
Putin can't even control PUSSY RIOT after putting them in jail, let alone help Serbia. He remembers how badly he was humiliated in Chechnya, imagine how he would feel after getting his nose bloodied in Kosova. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 July 2013 18:31)
With what are you going to bloody his nose? Last I recall Chechnya is still with Russia. With what are you going to chase him out with? The mighty Albo donkey brigades/ or perhaps the fierce goat riding bearded Albanian members of NATO?
. I can just see his beady little eyes tear up while being chased out of Kosova with his tail between his legs.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 July 2013 18:31)
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Are you drunk?
I think this is why the Serbian government ignores the 63% of serbia who say Kosovo is independent! They are trying to have good ties with Russia who is using Kosovo being part of Serbia to deal with he humiliation of 1999 when Russia was totally ignored when NATO went to war! So dacic and nikolic have to just stop short of saying Kosovo is independent and there is a laison officer not ambassador and the border custom people deal with eulex! There also the old Serbia constitution too!
Who cares? Russia will break up anyway. Chinese will take the East, Kazan will rise again and what will be left will be divided to the rest. Then China will break apart.
Who cares? Russia will break up anyway. Chinese will take the East, Kazan will rise again and what will be left will be divided to the rest. Then China will break apart.
Easy..
(STFU, 30 July 2013 03:22)
The only one you're right about is that Kazan will rise again, but only after you STFU and start SMD.
Very easy.
South Ossetia and Abkhazia split from Georgia in 1992 (there have been Russian troops there ever since) and the US recognised Kosovo in 2008.
But as usual with you, the maths doesn't add up.
(Ian, UK, 30 July 2013 10:20)
South Ossetia and Abkhazia had troubles with Tbilisi since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Abkhazia only decaled its independence in 1999, while South Ossetia held a referendum in 2006, but both were not recognised by Russia until after the US engineered the so called independence of Kosovo not before.
Since you’re on the subject of maths it was very nice to hear that your Exchequer was again boasting at a conference in Singapore about 10 days ago of their skills at cutting the budget with another 40 000 of your civil servants to be made redundant. It seems this is on top of what is already planned. The conference was about enticing Asian economies to invest in the UK. Let’s hope you’re not one of the 40,000.
Be my guest sj and provide a link for this supposed anti Turkish pogrom that apparently happened in Kosova after the withdrawal of Serbian forces. Same applies for the Croats. Go ahead, prove me wrong. As for Hollywood, is this what you cling on to now? Movies? Well, a case of being defeated if I ever saw one. If we're lucky, they'll typecast us in the Star Wars franchise next, hopefully on the dark side.
Is this the same Putin that sent the Russian troops out of Kosovo, say what you want about Yeltsin but he at least sent in troops. Putin talks a lot but there's little substance, you need to really really step on Russia's toes like Georgia did to get any kind of real reaction... and where are the S-300 for Iran and Syria, Putin? All talk while allies are left with nice words on paper.
Serbs should just nod their heads and thank for the nice words Putin utters once in a while and focus more on their economy and cooperating with neighbors that are in the same boat as Serbia vs hostile muslims.
Putin/Russia is not the answer to Serbia, our region has always fallen based on internal neglect, don't look for outside answers, there aren't, and the EU n NATO can go screw themselves!
Look who's talking, the guy who commited genocide in chechnya.
(Bridge, 29 July 2013 23:19)
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Genocide? Who said he did that?
After the Beslan massacre one cannot deny he would have been justfied if he had done that, but he didn't.
Then again we have the Boston terrorist attack. Those poor innocent Chechens, so misunderstood.
As usual Putin forgot to mention South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I wonder what is Georgia has to say about that?!
(Avni, 29 July 2013 22:07)
Read your history and you will see had the United States of Windbags not recognised Kosovo South Ossetia and Abkhazia would never have been split from Georgia.
Read your history and you will see had the United States of Windbags not recognised Kosovo South Ossetia and Abkhazia would never have been split from Georgia.
(sj, 30 July 2013 01:45)
South Ossetia and Abkhazia split from Georgia in 1992 (there have been Russian troops there ever since) and the US recognised Kosovo in 2008.
who the f*** cares? It really amazes me how people both in Serbia/Kosovo can't have enough and are always creating headlines of stories like this, whether it is the US confirming their support for the independent state of Kosovo or Russia vowing never to recognize it, as if it were some striking new development. It further amazes me that they think that it has something to do with them. Truly sad, people.
Fool you Peggy. There is no real friendship, it is a one way friendship at the most. Everything Russia does is 100% self serving.
(Ian, UK, 30 July 2013 08:03)
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OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
(Peggy, 31 July 2013 01:17)
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: http://iwpr.net/report-news/kosovars-refute-islamic-terror-claims
From France, source: http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/199904/90420-001-trae-tir.htm
And from Croatia, source: http://www.cfiva.org/cfiva/history/index.cfm
So, you're saying that just because Serbs expelled most of whoever was in Kosovo before Serbs arrived there, doesn't mean it is not their land and Serbs are the undesirable element there.
(icj1, 2 August 2013 06:31)
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I am really sick of you guys making ridiculous claims. How about you show some proof of what you are saying instead of just shooting your mouth off.
Go on, offer some proof or just shut up.
A misleading headline. He said: Kosovo is legally Serbian territory, which is totally correct, knowing that UN1244 defines Kosovo as a province of EX-YU under temporary administration, and Serbia is the legal successor of Ex-YU.
South Ossetia declared independence on 28 November 1991. The 2006 referendum was on supporting the status quo. The 2006 referendum question was "Should South Ossetia preserve its present status of a de facto independent state?".
Abkhazia first declared 'sovereignty' aka independence on 25 August 1990. The 1999 DOI was just a reconfirmation of the status quo.
But both have been de facto Russian Oblasts since the early 90s, Russia's recognition didn't change anything; it was just an attempt to legitimise their occupation. Russia hasn't fulfilled their promise of independence, this is why popularity for Russia is declining in ABSO.
And yes you got something wrong but won't admit it, so you have to change the subject and bring up UK economics. Yes civil servants are going to be loosing their jobs as the Coalition has brought in Universal Credit aka one combined single benefit instead have people claiming benefits from 30+ different government agencies. This will reduce administration and benefits abuse/ culture. Some legitimate claimers will unfairly lose out on it, but it will stop hundreds of thousands of cheating the system, the lesser of two evils I say. These lazy work-shy sods will have to get a job or the lazy gits can live on the streets instead of living off the taxes which I pay! The UK should copy Germany's benefits system tbh!
I hope Asia does invest more in the UK, it will help our economy to grow even more.
@ Yvan Lou, 30 July 2013 10:47
Can Putin ask Serbian authority to get a visa for visiting Kosovo?
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Yes, I think this can be easily and effortlessly arranged. Although, frankly, as the President of the permanent member of the UN Security Council, which safeguards and guarantees Serbian sovereignty in Kosovo pursuant to the UNSC Res. 1244, he almost certainly does not require a formal visa from his Serbian hosts. I am doubtful that he will be stopped by the Serbian immigration officials to check his status on his entry to the territory. And I do not recommend that Eulex officials do anything of a kind either.
Of course, he and his entourage may be harassed by the Albanian chauvinists and extremists, but this has nothing to do with the host country's (Serbia's) visa policy.
"Can u give a realistic solution of Kosovo issue?
I mean realistic not unrealistic such as substancial authonomy or kill 1.8 million albanians and take over Kosovo. "
(Mirel from Albania, 30 July 2013 16:45)
I'm not a Serbian commentator, but a realistic solution would be a split of Kosovo along ethnic lines, the Ibar would be a great border. For the remaining Serbs in the southern parts, there should be autonomy and protection, and if the ethnically motivated crimes in Kosovo still continue, there should be a territorial exchange: Presevo against the Serbian enclaves.
The Serbian cultural heritage in Kosovo, some of them being UN world cultural heritage, should be guarded and protected by internationals against Kosovo Albanians trying to desecrate or damage it.
The idea of a democratic multi-ethnic Kosovo was good, but it was only an idea, and maybe naive from western powers to think you can bring democracy and tolerance to a society based on ethnic hate and clan mentality. Smart people try to find something else if an idea turns out not to work.
Very interesting Comm. that you use the word society so freely. I'm sure you have no idea what society actually means. Tell me one thing, when has the Kosovar 'society' displayed ethnic hatred against say the Turks, Croats, Egyptians? Out of curiosity, are Serbs a society that is also based on ethnic hatred? Looking at The Hague, you'll notice I'm sure that most of the prisoners happen to belong to a particular ethnic group convicted of ethnically based genocide. You have no idea what you're on about. Very bizarre to me, that an apparent Euro enthusiast should resort to generalisations oh so freely.
(Nikolle, 31 July 2013 10:01)
“...., when has the Kosovar 'society' displayed ethnic hatred against say the Turks, Croats, Egyptians? “
I have yet to see an intelligent Albanian making comment on this site. But you my friend have taken the proverbial cake. In 1999 after NATO came into Kosovo your Albanian human rights loving brothers kicked out ethnic Turks, your brother Croats, Roma and everyone that was not an Albanian. In fact Roma of Muslim faith suffered terribly under the kind hands of their Albania friends so they live close to Serbs settlements. This is very well documented by EULEX, UN and even NATO officials. You have no idea what you're on about
Now on the issue of crime, yes they have shut a few Serbs but that was to be expected as star chambers are nothing but that. However, the Albanians fill European prisons and even Hollywood uses Albanians as the new criminals not Serbs.
Croatia in the last 500 years has been polluted by Orthodox elements. With pollution remaining at 4% I'm sure we can clear the air once and for all so we can all breathe alot easier.
(Bam Bam, 1 August 2013 02:23)
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Actually you're the pollution. Just because you expelled most of Serbs doesn't mean it is not their land and you are the undesirable element there.
Tell you what, why don't you invite all the Albanians living in Serbia to take their place. The population can exchange their residences and all will be happy.
Will that make you happy?
Actually you're the pollution. Just because you expelled most of Serbs doesn't mean it is not their land and you are the undesirable element there.
(Peggy, 1 August 2013 10:01)
So, you're saying that just because Serbs expelled most of whoever was in Kosovo before Serbs arrived there, doesn't mean it is not their land and Serbs are the undesirable element there.
Hey Dardani you wally.....97% in KOSOVO want nothing to do with Serbia. That's the best news I've heard in ages. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to show them the door so that they can leave that part of SERBIA. Just make sure that you shut it once they've gone so that God-willing they don't come back !!!!,
helped you win the war??? hahahahahaha, you albanians didnt win anything ... if you won the war we wouldnt be where we are today now would we .. since 1999 you have been in a stalemate/no man's land and are not escaping that anytime soon or maybe even ever .. dont even think to blame milosevic for your misery in the 90s, you brought that on yourselves by rioting, killing civilians and police officers .. you started the trouble and milosevic rightly responded to stop the violence .. although not all albanians are responsible as some wanted to avoid violence and wanted to stay with serbia ...the serbians never wanted a war, and their intent was never to ethnically cleanse kosovo, it was to eliminate the kla, if they wanted to ethnically cleanse kosovo, the jna could have done that easily .. we lived in peace for 50+ years and all of a sudden some albanians started escalating tensions in kosovo, listen if your not happy in serbia then that is not a problem, leave serbia and go back to your own country albania .. you have no right to try and take away someones land when they helped you settle in and gave you jobs and support particular after ww2 when you left albania
The main point is that both were not recognised by Russia until after the US engineered the so called independence of Kosovo not before. I hope you understand that now. Who declared what is irrelevant as this is a game big powers play.
You use the lazy sods -you know the funny thing is that your officials used those exact words during conversations after the conference but they were talking about civil servants. Lets hope your not one
OK Ian, ask an average Russian what he/she thinks of a Serb and then ask an American, English or any other western person what they think of Albanians. You will have your answer.
Did any American volunteer to fight for Albanians during the war like so many Russians volunteered to fight for Serbs?
Now that's real love not interests.
(Peggy, 31 July 2013 01:17)
A Russian would be friendly towards a Serb yes, but a Russian Politician would think of Russia only.
If you asked an average Brit what they think of Albanians, they'd say "they're Eastern Europeans" in a derogatory way. But that would be the same answer as to what a Brit would think about Serbs, Russians and anyone from a former Eastern Bloc country.
Did American Volunteers fight for Albanians during the Kosovo War? Yes
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: [link]
From France, source: [link]
And from Croatia, source: [link]
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Croatian volunteers I can believe, but the others are Albanians from those countries.
Yes, two from Australia, David Hicks and the good doctor from Adelaide. But who is the doctor and what ethnic background is he? David Hicks was also fighting in Afghanistan because he is a Muslim convert and we all know that converts are nuttier than the ones born Muslim.
Croatians will join the devil if it meant killing Serbs.
Pathetic comments here from supporters of Kosova. It's obvious that they don't have a clue, thus depend heavily on handouts from Kosova's corrupt Western allies and Kosova's drug trade. Nothing to be proud of there.
(Beth, 30 July 2013 14:45)
I beg to differ here because I'm a big fan of the excellent analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj which has shown beyond any doubt that the corrupt West is broken and has collapsed and thus in no position to hand out anything. Only powerful and rich countries like Serbia, Russia and China can make handouts.
There are many living in Serbia that believe this Serbo-phobic policy by the West is permanent and here to stay, but those people are simply not looking at the bigger picture. Western policy changes all the time and is hardly consistent.
(Ari Gold, 29 July 2013 18:48)
You are absolutely right. If Serbs behave, the West is with the Serbs (like it's been in the past). If Serbs misbehave, it's obvious the West will be "Serbo-phobic". It's not about the West waking up one morning and saying today I want to be Serbo-phobic just for hobby...
It wasn't just Aussies and Yanks fighting for the Kosovars in the Kosovo War. There were also Foreign Volunteers from Sweden, Belgium, the UK, Germany and the US (again), source: [link]
From France, source: [link]
And from Croatia, source: [link]
(Ian, UK, 31 July 2013 12:53)
What foreigners are you talking about? These volunteers are all Albanians working in those countries. The Croats wouldn’t give you guys the time of day as they threw out all Albanians out of Croatia during their operation storm just like your Albanians kicked out all Croats from Kosovo in 1999.
Where do you get this stuff form? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands lately. Have they made you redundant from teh civil service?
As did Australians such as Craig Jurisevic. He is of Serb heritage btw.
(Ian, UK, 31 July 2013 12:36)
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Can you point me to some link or reference that verifies that?
This is what he says.
"in the early '70s, we were surrounded fairly much by vast expanses of market gardens - lots of market gardens, run by mainly Italian immigrants, so it was a very multicultural part of Adelaide. Well, my father met my mum in 1959, when Mum arrived in Australia, as a refugee from Yugoslavia."
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He mentions Yugoslavia not Serbia.
Here is something else:
PETER THOMPSON: That grandfather of yours, Frank...
DR CRAIG JURISEVIC: Yes.
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Frank is not a Serbian name. Try Croatian Franjo which is Frank in English.
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And here are your non Albanian volunteers.
"DR CRAIG JURISEVIC: The KLA were by no means virtuous and angels. There were criminals and killers amongst the KLA, but where I found myself at that point in time, at that location, the majority of the KLA were refugees with guns. Many were also Kosovar or Albanian expatriates from Germany, the United States, who volunteered to come back and fight."
Since you love this doctor so much then you must trust what he says and what he clearly says is that Albanians from various countries came back to fight NOT Germans, French etc. but Albanians who live in those countries.
I can tell you what the poms think of Albanians. Albanian criminality is entrenched in the UK so you can guess what the poms think..
(sj, 31 July 2013 14:27)
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Albanians are deluding themselves if they think they are wanted anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b1qHSZQZNY
We unfortunately have to put up with them because Tito made it very easy for them to pour in and breed like crazy.
Ever wondered why the non Orthodox republics don't have Albanians? Someone made sure that only Serbia was polluted the most and their lovely Croatia or Slovenia wasn't. All the bad element went to Orthodox republics.
ian,
not only do you have portraits of the queen and margaret thatcher hanging in your bedroom wall you have also added jurisevic next to them.
fitting really for someone like yourself who lives in a land of fairytales.
you make me laugh..good for my health!
This is very well documented by EULEX, UN and even NATO officials.
However, here is an extract from Croatian sources:
“…. the newspaper quotes the words of Croats from Janjevo, who state that, with the arrival of the KLA to this town, provocation from Albanians has commenced, provocation that "the Croats found increasingly hard to bear".
A couple of days ago, disturbing information on the destiny of the Croats from Janjevo has arrived to the Croat embassy in Skopje. It was said that the members of the KLA maltreat them and that the Croats were once even lined before a firing squad…”
Zagreb newspaper quote the words of the Croats from Janjevo, who state that it was easy for them while "the Serbs were in power" in their town. No one bothered them, they could get food and cigarettes through Serb policemen and the Serb army and, when leaving, a Yugoslav Army unit left 350 kilograms of flour for the Croats at the local bakery…”
The newspaper adds that parish priest Matej Palic tried to negotiated with the Albanians, in the hope that "reason will triumph, but they had to move".
Croat sources not Serb.
@Peggy..Ever wondered why the non Orthodox republics don't have Albanians? Someone made sure that only Serbia was polluted the most and their lovely Croatia or Slovenia wasn't. All the bad element went to Orthodox republics.
Croatia in the last 500 years has been polluted by Orthodox elements. With pollution remaining at 4% I'm sure we can clear the air once and for all so we can all breathe alot easier.
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