Serbia has highest number of refugees in Europe

I'm confused, according to the BBC, other Western media and the Croatian and Albanian trolls on this site it was the Serbs who were the ethnic cleansers, so why does Serbia have the most refugees in the region? Can anyone help me with my confusion?

And the number would be 100.000 or so higher if you add all the people mentioned as 'internally displaces persons', most of them being Serbs expelled by Albanians from Kosovo. These are nothing else but refugees, the 'internally' is only because Serbia is seeing Kosovo as a Serbian province.

H.elper.... All sides in the war suffered proportionate casualties. The only difference is that the serbs would arrange buses for anyone wanting to leave where as the other sides would shell civilians as they were trying to find refuge.

'Humanitarian' ethnic cleansing is seen as good in the West and by the media. Any other type is bad. Onviously.

And the number would be 100.000 or so higher if you add all the people mentioned as 'internally displaces persons', most of them being Serbs expelled by Albanians from Kosovo. These are nothing else but refugees, the 'internally' is only because Serbia is seeing Kosovo as a Serbian province.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 June 2013 12:42)

How can there be 100,000+ displaced Serbs from Kosovo in Serbia if there was 194,190 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 (per the 1991 Yugoslav Census) and there are between 140,000-150,000 Serbs in Kosovo today?

The maths simply doesn't add up with your inflated figure... unless recently, there was a massive baby boom among the Serb population of Kosovo; but that would be the first I've heard of that.

Well, Serbia's wars of ethnic cleansing are to blame! Now, she must permently shelter all those poor refugees! Have fun Serbia, u got what u asked for!!!

Yeah, and Serbia has the largest number of Albanians outside of Albania too.

Don't forget tha the peacelovin' albanians expelled a huge number of roma. Why do you lot always forget them? Are they officially subhuman or something?

I'm confused, according to the BBC, other Western media and the Croatian and Albanian trolls on this site it was the Serbs who were the ethnic cleansers, so why does Serbia have the most refugees in the region? Can anyone help me with my confusion?
(miles, 20 June 2013 12:04)

Because life in Croatia and anywhere Albanians control is a living hell for anyone. Plus those governments do nothing to encourage return. It shows you the level of their tolerance and support for multiethnicity from two of the most racist peoples in Europe.

"how can there be 100,000+ displaced Serbs from Kosovo in Serbia if there was 194,190 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 (per the 1991 Yugoslav Census) and there are between 140,000-150,000 Serbs in Kosovo today? "
(Ian, UK, 20 June 2013 15:05)

Oh, according to this funny census from 1991, there were only 9.091 Albanians in Kosovo. How can there be more than 1.000.000 today? The Serbs must be right when they say they all immigrated to Kosovo from Albania only some years ago.

Joking aside, when you like these census data so much, what about the 25.000 Serbs* in Kosovo according to the census in 2011 (*=The number of Serbs in Kosovo is twice as big than these number's, because of the boycott in the north).

Take the 194.000, subtract 25.000 twice, and you still have the 100.000+

Or take this: Kosovo War refugees:

The total list of countries in which the refugees took refuge and in what numbers:
Montenegro - 61,900
Serbia - 180,000

Subtract the few 1.000 that dared to return to Kosovo, and you have still the 100.000+

ian,
you're willing to trust a yugo census, from wikipedia...
hmm, interesting.
even the maths on your source don't work out according to your simple maths.
it says serb pop 1991 (190k), serb pop 2011 (25k), refugee count (current estimate) = 180k.
pretty impressive non-cleansing cleansing that happened there.
what is interesting on that page is this:
alb pop 1991 (1.59M), alb pop 2011 (1.61M) = gain of 100k+. pretty impressive numbers for a population that was supposedly cleansed.

there have been a number of painstaking efforts to catalogue all those that have been displaced, with a name for each cleansed person. those numbers reflect the article, not the wiki-numbers.

Any that were loaded up in trucks and driven to the border by govt forces like the Serbs did the Albanians were expelled.
(a New Day, 20 June 2013 18:41)

No you drove them to the yellow house and feasted on their organs. And Ian, in the beginning of the 80´s there were more than 240 000 serbs in Kosovo now the number is merely 70 000 nowhere near the numbers you estimate. In the meantime the rats population have risen more than 100k. Now the rats still accuse the serbs of ethnic cleansing when, in fact, their population is larger than it ever was and the serbs are 60-70%less, dont you think that that is twisting the reality when it comes to ethnic cleansing?

"I'm confused, according to the BBC, other Western media and the Croatian and Albanian trolls on this site it was the Serbs who were the ethnic cleansers, so why does Serbia have the most refugees in the region? Can anyone help me with my confusion?"

Simple: Ethnic cleansing the Serbian way was done like in Srebrenica, which didn't yield people being refugees, but corpses filling mass graves.

Comm. Parrisson, 20 June 2013 12:42)
One of the most comical, ironic but sad things I know of is how you all call Serbs who participated in the abuse and expulsion of Albanians from Kosovo then fled because they feared either retribution or punishment for their crimes as having been "expelled" by Albanians.
People who commit crimes and then flee jurisdiction are not expelled.
Also those who left because they did not want to live under a government of the majority and not the minority do so willingly and are not expelled.
Any that were loaded up in trucks and driven to the border by govt forces like the Serbs did the Albanians were expelled.

Ian ignores >125,000 expelled roma. Why? Aren't these serbian citizens they worth counting or is it too embarassing for his magic numbers?

@ Comm. Parrisson and coco


Wikipedia? No
Academic Books? Yes

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9gGKtLTQlUcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Political+Parties+of+Eastern+Europe&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Lw_EUcd-pYrQBcOtgLAP&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Political%20Parties%20of%20Eastern%20Europe&f=false

You will find it on page 479

The Serbs didn't boycott the 1991 census, therefore it is a reliable source for the amount of Serbs in Kosovo. However as Albanians boycotted it, therefore it isn't a reliable source for the amount of Albanians in Kosovo. The same way the 2011 census is reliable for the amount of Albanians but not Serbs because most boycotted it.

I know there is more than 100,000 Serbs in Kosovo. I even said in my previous comment that there are between 140,000 to 150,000 Serbs in Kosovo today. What I'm saying is that over 100,000 Serbs were not ethnically cleansed from Kosovo.

194,000 (amount of Serbs in 1991) - 140,000 (amount of Serbs today) = a difference of 54,000.

Apparently there are 180,000 Serb refugees in Serbia and 61,900 Serb refugees in Montenegro from the Kosovo War, despite the fact there weren't even that many Serbs in Kosovo in the first place. So how can that be?

Who is the one telling porkie pies here?

woooooo so its final !!! Croatia and Bosnia did in fact win the war. Only the Serbs got ethnical cleansed.

The problem with posters like IAN UK, who is an Albanian spewing his crap under a false pretense of being some 'third party' in the UK, is they are full of their own crap. First off your 1991 census proves nothing. Second it's well known that the population of Serbs was going down by the 90's. Kosovo was Italian controlled and pulled in as part of greater Albania in WW2 where a huge shift in population happened as Serbs fled. After WW2 it was reabsorbed into Yugoslavia but the demographics changed. Tito gave Kosovo autonomy in the 70's and Albanian dreams of stealing Kosovo were building steam. In 1990 Kosovo actually filed for independence. Nobody talks about it, and the Serbs squashed that. They didn't brutally kill or murder, or ethnically cleanse. The KLA then rose, a know terrorist group and labeled as such until 1998 when suddenly they were a 'freedom fighting rebel group'. Through the 90's Serbs faced harassment and attacks from Albanians. The KLA ambushing police, military personnel, tossing grenades into cafes, etc. Hiding and sheltering in civilian homes while firing at police/military?

Dummies like IAN search long and hard to spew garbage 'data' or 'evidence' that suits his needs to people who were there and lived through it. Don't tell someone skies are clear and sunny while it's pouring rain and thundering on them. IAN is clueless, always has been, always will be. He'll probably tell you he knows how to fly to the moon because he read a book on how to do it.

Daniel, 21 June 2013 14:11)
Curious as to where you get your numbers as no one puts the number that low as Serbs in Kosovo but that just means that there were more war criminals that fled Kosovo fearing international jurisdiction than previously thought.
(just a thought, 23 June 2013 14:48

No they fleed because they didnt want to live in paradise with their lovely neighbours who are not bloodthirsty at all. Take a look at the pogrom 2004 and you will understand why they fled when you put churches and monesterys on fire. Jurisdiction?What jurisdiction?You are a lawless narcostate led by druglords and clans that live by bloodfeud. The only people in europe that still have bloodfeud are you rats. If someone would fear your "justice" the first person would be your drugdealing terrorist prime minister.

@ Comm. Parrisson and coco


Wikipedia? No
Academic Books? Yes

[link]

(IAN UK)
**************

And once again IAN UK, an Albanian, posts a link to a pro Albanian, pro-Greater Albania author Janusz Bugajski. He always posts links that if looked into, are Albanian or Albanian supporters like Janusz. Amazing how someone who is 'objective' and just 'an interested party' always always always posts such links and defends Albanians in such a manner. Do us all a favor, quit being such a fake piece of you know what and at least be a man. Grow a set. Typical Albanian though, he doesn't know how.

its always funny to read the inflated numbers of 'expelled' serbs that are tossed about in here. at first, it was 250000,

20 years ago there wer more than 200 000 serbs in Kosovo now its merely 90-100. Where did the rest go?To Mars?Use your logic if the heroin didnt totally destroy your brain. But of course we all know that you albanians are innocent angels, and not the subhuman morbid race that most of us think you are. Didnt u read the article that said that Pristina once had 45 000 serb citizens and now 17?Dont u call that ethnic cleansing?

its always funny to read the inflated numbers of 'expelled' serbs that are tossed about in here. at first, it was 250000, now it seems to have settled at 100000. which serbs do you consider Kosovar Serbs, the ones from Krajina who were placed around Kosova, like in Hotel Bozhur in Prishtina or in various other derelict buildings in Kosova? serbia's own statistics, put the number of eligible serbian voters in kosova at last year's election at 110000, this means people only 18 and over, but then, we know people like Comm and Daniel have a habit of believing in odd things. i'm genuinely surprised people don't say 500K have been expelled, if you're going to quote nonsense figures, you should be ambitious

Daniel, 21 June 2013 14:11)
Curious as to where you get your numbers as no one puts the number that low as Serbs in Kosovo but that just means that there were more war criminals that fled Kosovo fearing international jurisdiction than previously thought.

Vojislav SESELJ once said 'All Serbs in one state'. So these so called refugees aren't refugees after all when they have followed Seselj's dream of all Serbs in one state ( Serbia ). What is the problem here...Seriously..These Serbs in Serbia should be happy and not constantly complain. We in Croatia don't want them nor does BiH or Kosova. Stay in Serbia where you belong and be happy for a change. This is not some twisted and deranged YU where you had your own way !

Well, Serbia's wars of ethnic cleansing are to blame! Now, she must permently shelter all those poor refugees! Have fun Serbia, u got what u asked for!!!

"I'm confused, according to the BBC, other Western media and the Croatian and Albanian trolls on this site it was the Serbs who were the ethnic cleansers, so why does Serbia have the most refugees in the region? Can anyone help me with my confusion?"

Simple: Ethnic cleansing the Serbian way was done like in Srebrenica, which didn't yield people being refugees, but corpses filling mass graves.

And the number would be 100.000 or so higher if you add all the people mentioned as 'internally displaces persons', most of them being Serbs expelled by Albanians from Kosovo. These are nothing else but refugees, the 'internally' is only because Serbia is seeing Kosovo as a Serbian province.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 June 2013 12:42)

How can there be 100,000+ displaced Serbs from Kosovo in Serbia if there was 194,190 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 (per the 1991 Yugoslav Census) and there are between 140,000-150,000 Serbs in Kosovo today?

The maths simply doesn't add up with your inflated figure... unless recently, there was a massive baby boom among the Serb population of Kosovo; but that would be the first I've heard of that.

H.elper.... All sides in the war suffered proportionate casualties. The only difference is that the serbs would arrange buses for anyone wanting to leave where as the other sides would shell civilians as they were trying to find refuge.

I'm confused, according to the BBC, other Western media and the Croatian and Albanian trolls on this site it was the Serbs who were the ethnic cleansers, so why does Serbia have the most refugees in the region? Can anyone help me with my confusion?

@ Comm. Parrisson and coco


Wikipedia? No
Academic Books? Yes

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9gGKtLTQlUcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Political+Parties+of+Eastern+Europe&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Lw_EUcd-pYrQBcOtgLAP&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Political%20Parties%20of%20Eastern%20Europe&f=false

You will find it on page 479

The Serbs didn't boycott the 1991 census, therefore it is a reliable source for the amount of Serbs in Kosovo. However as Albanians boycotted it, therefore it isn't a reliable source for the amount of Albanians in Kosovo. The same way the 2011 census is reliable for the amount of Albanians but not Serbs because most boycotted it.

I know there is more than 100,000 Serbs in Kosovo. I even said in my previous comment that there are between 140,000 to 150,000 Serbs in Kosovo today. What I'm saying is that over 100,000 Serbs were not ethnically cleansed from Kosovo.

194,000 (amount of Serbs in 1991) - 140,000 (amount of Serbs today) = a difference of 54,000.

Apparently there are 180,000 Serb refugees in Serbia and 61,900 Serb refugees in Montenegro from the Kosovo War, despite the fact there weren't even that many Serbs in Kosovo in the first place. So how can that be?

Who is the one telling porkie pies here?

Comm. Parrisson, 20 June 2013 12:42)
One of the most comical, ironic but sad things I know of is how you all call Serbs who participated in the abuse and expulsion of Albanians from Kosovo then fled because they feared either retribution or punishment for their crimes as having been "expelled" by Albanians.
People who commit crimes and then flee jurisdiction are not expelled.
Also those who left because they did not want to live under a government of the majority and not the minority do so willingly and are not expelled.
Any that were loaded up in trucks and driven to the border by govt forces like the Serbs did the Albanians were expelled.

I'm confused, according to the BBC, other Western media and the Croatian and Albanian trolls on this site it was the Serbs who were the ethnic cleansers, so why does Serbia have the most refugees in the region? Can anyone help me with my confusion?
(miles, 20 June 2013 12:04)

Because life in Croatia and anywhere Albanians control is a living hell for anyone. Plus those governments do nothing to encourage return. It shows you the level of their tolerance and support for multiethnicity from two of the most racist peoples in Europe.

And the number would be 100.000 or so higher if you add all the people mentioned as 'internally displaces persons', most of them being Serbs expelled by Albanians from Kosovo. These are nothing else but refugees, the 'internally' is only because Serbia is seeing Kosovo as a Serbian province.

'Humanitarian' ethnic cleansing is seen as good in the West and by the media. Any other type is bad. Onviously.

ian,
you're willing to trust a yugo census, from wikipedia...
hmm, interesting.
even the maths on your source don't work out according to your simple maths.
it says serb pop 1991 (190k), serb pop 2011 (25k), refugee count (current estimate) = 180k.
pretty impressive non-cleansing cleansing that happened there.
what is interesting on that page is this:
alb pop 1991 (1.59M), alb pop 2011 (1.61M) = gain of 100k+. pretty impressive numbers for a population that was supposedly cleansed.

there have been a number of painstaking efforts to catalogue all those that have been displaced, with a name for each cleansed person. those numbers reflect the article, not the wiki-numbers.

"how can there be 100,000+ displaced Serbs from Kosovo in Serbia if there was 194,190 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 (per the 1991 Yugoslav Census) and there are between 140,000-150,000 Serbs in Kosovo today? "
(Ian, UK, 20 June 2013 15:05)

Oh, according to this funny census from 1991, there were only 9.091 Albanians in Kosovo. How can there be more than 1.000.000 today? The Serbs must be right when they say they all immigrated to Kosovo from Albania only some years ago.

Joking aside, when you like these census data so much, what about the 25.000 Serbs* in Kosovo according to the census in 2011 (*=The number of Serbs in Kosovo is twice as big than these number's, because of the boycott in the north).

Take the 194.000, subtract 25.000 twice, and you still have the 100.000+

Or take this: Kosovo War refugees:

The total list of countries in which the refugees took refuge and in what numbers:
Montenegro - 61,900
Serbia - 180,000

Subtract the few 1.000 that dared to return to Kosovo, and you have still the 100.000+

Don't forget tha the peacelovin' albanians expelled a huge number of roma. Why do you lot always forget them? Are they officially subhuman or something?

Any that were loaded up in trucks and driven to the border by govt forces like the Serbs did the Albanians were expelled.
(a New Day, 20 June 2013 18:41)

No you drove them to the yellow house and feasted on their organs. And Ian, in the beginning of the 80´s there were more than 240 000 serbs in Kosovo now the number is merely 70 000 nowhere near the numbers you estimate. In the meantime the rats population have risen more than 100k. Now the rats still accuse the serbs of ethnic cleansing when, in fact, their population is larger than it ever was and the serbs are 60-70%less, dont you think that that is twisting the reality when it comes to ethnic cleansing?

Ian ignores >125,000 expelled roma. Why? Aren't these serbian citizens they worth counting or is it too embarassing for his magic numbers?

woooooo so its final !!! Croatia and Bosnia did in fact win the war. Only the Serbs got ethnical cleansed.

Daniel, 21 June 2013 14:11)
Curious as to where you get your numbers as no one puts the number that low as Serbs in Kosovo but that just means that there were more war criminals that fled Kosovo fearing international jurisdiction than previously thought.

its always funny to read the inflated numbers of 'expelled' serbs that are tossed about in here. at first, it was 250000,

20 years ago there wer more than 200 000 serbs in Kosovo now its merely 90-100. Where did the rest go?To Mars?Use your logic if the heroin didnt totally destroy your brain. But of course we all know that you albanians are innocent angels, and not the subhuman morbid race that most of us think you are. Didnt u read the article that said that Pristina once had 45 000 serb citizens and now 17?Dont u call that ethnic cleansing?

Daniel, 21 June 2013 14:11)
Curious as to where you get your numbers as no one puts the number that low as Serbs in Kosovo but that just means that there were more war criminals that fled Kosovo fearing international jurisdiction than previously thought.
(just a thought, 23 June 2013 14:48

No they fleed because they didnt want to live in paradise with their lovely neighbours who are not bloodthirsty at all. Take a look at the pogrom 2004 and you will understand why they fled when you put churches and monesterys on fire. Jurisdiction?What jurisdiction?You are a lawless narcostate led by druglords and clans that live by bloodfeud. The only people in europe that still have bloodfeud are you rats. If someone would fear your "justice" the first person would be your drugdealing terrorist prime minister.

Yeah, and Serbia has the largest number of Albanians outside of Albania too.

Vojislav SESELJ once said 'All Serbs in one state'. So these so called refugees aren't refugees after all when they have followed Seselj's dream of all Serbs in one state ( Serbia ). What is the problem here...Seriously..These Serbs in Serbia should be happy and not constantly complain. We in Croatia don't want them nor does BiH or Kosova. Stay in Serbia where you belong and be happy for a change. This is not some twisted and deranged YU where you had your own way !

The problem with posters like IAN UK, who is an Albanian spewing his crap under a false pretense of being some 'third party' in the UK, is they are full of their own crap. First off your 1991 census proves nothing. Second it's well known that the population of Serbs was going down by the 90's. Kosovo was Italian controlled and pulled in as part of greater Albania in WW2 where a huge shift in population happened as Serbs fled. After WW2 it was reabsorbed into Yugoslavia but the demographics changed. Tito gave Kosovo autonomy in the 70's and Albanian dreams of stealing Kosovo were building steam. In 1990 Kosovo actually filed for independence. Nobody talks about it, and the Serbs squashed that. They didn't brutally kill or murder, or ethnically cleanse. The KLA then rose, a know terrorist group and labeled as such until 1998 when suddenly they were a 'freedom fighting rebel group'. Through the 90's Serbs faced harassment and attacks from Albanians. The KLA ambushing police, military personnel, tossing grenades into cafes, etc. Hiding and sheltering in civilian homes while firing at police/military?

Dummies like IAN search long and hard to spew garbage 'data' or 'evidence' that suits his needs to people who were there and lived through it. Don't tell someone skies are clear and sunny while it's pouring rain and thundering on them. IAN is clueless, always has been, always will be. He'll probably tell you he knows how to fly to the moon because he read a book on how to do it.

@ Comm. Parrisson and coco


Wikipedia? No
Academic Books? Yes

[link]

(IAN UK)
**************

And once again IAN UK, an Albanian, posts a link to a pro Albanian, pro-Greater Albania author Janusz Bugajski. He always posts links that if looked into, are Albanian or Albanian supporters like Janusz. Amazing how someone who is 'objective' and just 'an interested party' always always always posts such links and defends Albanians in such a manner. Do us all a favor, quit being such a fake piece of you know what and at least be a man. Grow a set. Typical Albanian though, he doesn't know how.

its always funny to read the inflated numbers of 'expelled' serbs that are tossed about in here. at first, it was 250000, now it seems to have settled at 100000. which serbs do you consider Kosovar Serbs, the ones from Krajina who were placed around Kosova, like in Hotel Bozhur in Prishtina or in various other derelict buildings in Kosova? serbia's own statistics, put the number of eligible serbian voters in kosova at last year's election at 110000, this means people only 18 and over, but then, we know people like Comm and Daniel have a habit of believing in odd things. i'm genuinely surprised people don't say 500K have been expelled, if you're going to quote nonsense figures, you should be ambitious