Papoulias: Greece will always stand by Serbia

sometimes money isn't everything Rob.
better to be poor and have friends than be rich and have none...like yourself.!!

Rocky, your endeavor to attach yourself to a "glorious" past would be commendable if it wasn't so damn pitiful. I'm not gonna pass judgement on the illyrian theory, which is at least controversial and has been disputed by many. I'm gonna take it as accurate. So what? So what if modern day Albanians are descendants of the ancient Illyrians? Does that alone make them a better people? And who were the ancient Illyrians? An utterly insignificant bunch of people. What's their contribution to human history? Let's not kid ourselves. The only reason that the Albanians have embraced the illyrian theory of their origin is because they wanna prove (to themselves first and foremost) that they're an ancient people with deep roots in the Balkans whereas the Slavs are newcomers and have fewer territorial rights. Well as far as we Greeks are concerned you're both newcomers. And it is true that after the 14th century we blended with the Albanians but before that we also blended with the Slavs. That doesn't make us neither Albanians nor Slavs because our nation is based on culture and education, not some weird western nationalistic ideas of racial purity. Pure and clean nations exist only in dirty minds.
As for being a member of the NATO alliance of which you take pride, that only means that you get to die some thousands of miles away from your country. Nothing more really.

I reckon the only country which is not bankrupt is mighty Albania.I wonder why albanians are flocking into bankrupt countries.

Ha,ha,ha you've made my day Rocky.Albanians ancient?You could make a good living in a comedy show.

Two bankrupt countries supporting each other, isn't it nice......

Hey Rocky, you wanna go bowling?

My interpretation, Greece is somewhat telling Serbia that she will guide her to the understanding of Kosova's loss! I am 100% sure that Greece will, in the very near future recognize Kosova as a independent country!!! The Greeks, are very well known for making sure the nail is in the right place, before they drop the hammer! Kosova & Albania, thru secondary parties should pry open strategic economic talks with Greece! Their is a huge potential, for both the Greeks & Albanians to make great strives in economic advances!!! The Serbs & Greeks do enjoy good relations! But, the Albanians & Greeks historically much closer to each other! No nation of the Balkans, can go back further in history , then the Albanians & Greeks! Yes, their has been many times in history when both were a adversary to each other, but their has also been times in history when both were allies to each other! As is the case with Albania & Greece today, both members of the NATO alliance!!! Thru NATO, both Greece & Albania, have a great opportunity at hand to positively effect the course of their relations, into the future! Lets us see, if these 2 ancient nations, have inherited some of the wisdom that was made available to both, with the passing of so much time on Mother Earth together!

@nikolle

I told you some time ago that we'd eventually find something to agree upon so i'm happy that the time has come. And yes the modern greek nation has indeed been forged by the greek orthodox priests. But you know what? For us Greeks that's not a necessarily bad thing because not all orthodox priest are backward, narrow-minded people. Of course there is that type of priest but there are also educated, bright people who belong to the clergy. As a matter of fact some of the most promiment figures of greek illuminism during the 18th and 19th centuries were priests. You've propably never heard of names like Evgenios Voulgaris, Neofytos Doukas, Athanasios Psalidas or Kosmas Etolos but those were the people that prepared the enslaved greek nation for its uprising in 1821 and they were all priests. And illuminism in Greece never had the anticlerical characteristics that such movements had in Western Europe. You must always bear in mind Nikolle that in many aspects Greece is a sui generis case. So the orthodox church may have its faults and weaknesses but it is also the only institution that preserved both our national and religious identity. It's literally what kept us going during the long ottoman night.

(Rocky, 19 June 2013 14:43)


“100% sure that Greece will, in the very near future recognize Kosova as a independent country”

Considering you have been wrong at every point so far I suggest that we call you Wrong Way Rocky.


“Kosova & Albania, thru secondary parties should pry open strategic economic talks with Greece”

Strategic economic talks; are you joking? When were you in Albania the last time? I was there about 14 months ago and apart from some development in spots along the coast and the capital, the rest is third world rural conditions.

The Greeks hate Albanians even more than the Serbs.


Oh Please cut this NATO crap out. It’s not Club Med. It’s a war machine that is about to declare victory in Afghanistan and leave with its tail between its legs in utter and complete defeat.

Papoulias: Greece will always stand by Serbia

Rocky: I am 100% sure that Greece will, in the very near future recognize Kosova as a independent country!!!

Conclusion: If you don't like what you read, make up a completely different story to believe.

I think your own YouTube channel is turning you into an idiot Mr. Cimaj.

To Graham

I assume you are an Englishman, you people soon won't be able to stand either my friend, God almighty, you can't even stop the extremism in your own country where an off duty soldier can't walk on his own streets without being almost beheaded my nut job Islamists. Your city of London where the Englishman is in the minority as they are in a number of other cities in your country. You soon won't have a country, why, because of your damned arrogance and aggression and interference in other peoples affairs. Your government robs the sick and venerable yet bomb and kill other people. You won't stand soon enough, it's only a matter of time.

My advice to you is look at your own problems and affairs and try and save your own country before you don't have one anymore. Greece is in trouble now, but it will bounce back which is more than can be said about your sorry country. You think about that now.

Good day to you.

thanasis

everyone knows about Greek history and it's ancient past of that there is no dispute, however mr. rocky cannot give any ancient history of the Albanians because there is none to speak of as you have said, the Illyrians?.....who are they?????????? what did they ever do to leave their mark on history????? nothing important enough to talk about in the history books unlike Greece.

Rocky the mythologist, maybe you should take up juggling or something because your historical knowledge is laughable.

thanasis

completely agree with you, have never cared for the Illyrians, will never care in the future either. outside of my historical curiosity, it makes no difference to me whether Albanians are their descendants or whether they come from South Africa. it is not the reason for my political position on Kosova and it never will be. and you are also right about the mingling of people, especially in Southern Albania and Northern Greece, most people can probably lay claim to both Albanian and Greek heritage. most probably 1 in 10000 people in the Balkans would have Turkish origin of one form of another, you don't get ruled by the Ottoman scimitar for 500 years and not have it leave and imprint.
I disagree with you on one thing however, the modern Greek nation has been shaped by priests and the fighting-the-Muslim-horde narrative has taken centre stage. greeks have abandon the noble and secular teachings of Socartes and Epicurus long ago

@thanasis,
May I am wrong but the message from Rocky is about the future cooperation and friendship between albanians and greeks.Like it or not we are direct neighbores,and unlike serbs that are far away from Greece,greeks and albanians should look forward and not keep insulting each other.
You have a greek minority in Albania and we have 500 thousand emigrants for 20 years which now are becoming second genaration emigrants and their kids will contribute pozitively to Greek society,as arvanites did before them.
The biggest victory of turks was not that they conquered our countries,but they left us stabbing each other on the back.
in 1389 serbs,albanians,greeks etc were fighting the same enemy and were allies.Now serbs kill albanians,greeks try to satisfy both and not satisfying at least albanians,serbs are fighting everyone who in 1389 was their ally,greeks instead of colaborating with albanians did what they did and albanians were pushed to be with Italy,Austro-Hungary or Turkey.

I am not excpesting serbs to change,because they never will,but greeks are more flexible and since they have direct ties with albanians they have to change and slowely I see greek poltics taking more pragmatic steps toward Albania and Kosovo.

Oh, *please*.
The Greeks can't even stand by themselves...

Hi eric( nice name,is it albanian?)

We all know albanians are turkish immigrants brought into balkans in the 14th century by rhe turks.This is why all names of places in kosovo are serbian and not albanian.No matter how hard
albanians try they cant convince themselves let alone others.

Thanks for the free lesson on modern greek history. Such lessons are always welcome when they come from brainwashed albanian diaspora trolls with absolutely no touch with reality. I have some questions though: King Otto, who was a Bavarian, made the 19th century Greeks speak Greek against their will? So he obliged them to learn a foreign language? Is that what you're actually saying? And modern Greeks have nothing in common with the ancient ones and that's an undeniable fact according to you? You on the other hand are direct, pure-blooded descendants of the ancient Illyrians and that fact is also undeniable, am i right? So what you deny for others you claim for yourselves with the greatest of ease. And what about the Arvanites? Which greek government forced them to take part in the cause of greek independence in 1821? The one that did not exist at the time? And why would the Arvanites fight for the liberty of the greek nation if they didn't feel part of that nation? Did someone force them to do that against their will?
And by the way when was the last time you visited the "albanian village"
of Athens? Because nowadays it seems more nigerian or paqistani rather than albanian. Maybe you should come and restore its "albanian" character.

that's very good for you thanasis, we on the other hand have had a secular national development because we are a nation of 3 faiths (or 4 if you consider the Bektashis different from mainstream Islam, which it is). I do agree with you, I very much doubt Albanians and Greeks can develop or for that matter will ever create ties to rival that of Greeks and Serbs. you share a common religion with them, which you don't do with us and though some seem to view this as tragic, I am unperturbed by it. it wasn't that long ago that you had the Greek army chant anti-Albanian songs at one of their parades.

...Albanians because there is none to speak of as you have said, the Illyrians?.....who are they?????????? what did they ever do to leave their mark on history????? nothing important enough to talk about in the history books unlike Greece....
@Spartan,
u better tell arvanites, that they come from some unimportant people and I am pretty sure they will kick u out of their villages.

As for the origine of Albanians,
They may be thousands of theories,but only illyrian -albanian make sense.
None of the theories have any documented how albanians come in Balkans and when.They dont say this fact because albanians ..were there and didnt come from Russia.
U r telling me that Muzaka,Topia,Kastrioti,Komneni,Balshaj,Dukagjini and other albananian noble families come migrated to albania from different places of the Europe and happened to speak the same language?Cmon man grow up!
The migration of Albanians never happaned.What happened is that Albani tribe which was located near Tirana and mentioned since 400 before Christ, grew up and took over other tribes.

Anyway,this doesnt make us and u better than others.What matters is how to look forward and not backword.
I know that with serbs lokking forward is Mission Impossible since their time tells 1389.But I am excpecting greeks,bulgarians ,croatians,montenegrins etc to move on and look forward.

Bur of course Greece will always stand by Serbia. After all, thieves always band together when they have plundered and stolen other's possessions.
Illyrian lover

thanasis

greece is based on western ideology
if it wasnt for king otto, greece was going to speak albanian today
learn the history of your country before you talk. Ancient greeks have no connection with modern greece.Greece was 500 years under ottoman rule..thats a long time. athens was an albanian village and still is but the arvanites are threatened by the greek government to speak albanian.
AGAIN, greece was created by the wast ideology, meaning creating modern greece, we will create ancient greece and link the ancient history to the modern so people fell for it.

Dear Serbs
Serbs and Greeks only have something in common virtually, but not otherwise
All 100 heroes who died for the independence of Greece (1821)are of Albanian origin, in Greek Arvanites, so i don't know that a serbian or serbin died for greece,dear serbs, your origin is from russia. you invaded the balkans as strangers.

Two bankrupt countries supporting each other, isn't it nice......

My interpretation, Greece is somewhat telling Serbia that she will guide her to the understanding of Kosova's loss! I am 100% sure that Greece will, in the very near future recognize Kosova as a independent country!!! The Greeks, are very well known for making sure the nail is in the right place, before they drop the hammer! Kosova & Albania, thru secondary parties should pry open strategic economic talks with Greece! Their is a huge potential, for both the Greeks & Albanians to make great strives in economic advances!!! The Serbs & Greeks do enjoy good relations! But, the Albanians & Greeks historically much closer to each other! No nation of the Balkans, can go back further in history , then the Albanians & Greeks! Yes, their has been many times in history when both were a adversary to each other, but their has also been times in history when both were allies to each other! As is the case with Albania & Greece today, both members of the NATO alliance!!! Thru NATO, both Greece & Albania, have a great opportunity at hand to positively effect the course of their relations, into the future! Lets us see, if these 2 ancient nations, have inherited some of the wisdom that was made available to both, with the passing of so much time on Mother Earth together!

thanasis

completely agree with you, have never cared for the Illyrians, will never care in the future either. outside of my historical curiosity, it makes no difference to me whether Albanians are their descendants or whether they come from South Africa. it is not the reason for my political position on Kosova and it never will be. and you are also right about the mingling of people, especially in Southern Albania and Northern Greece, most people can probably lay claim to both Albanian and Greek heritage. most probably 1 in 10000 people in the Balkans would have Turkish origin of one form of another, you don't get ruled by the Ottoman scimitar for 500 years and not have it leave and imprint.
I disagree with you on one thing however, the modern Greek nation has been shaped by priests and the fighting-the-Muslim-horde narrative has taken centre stage. greeks have abandon the noble and secular teachings of Socartes and Epicurus long ago

Bur of course Greece will always stand by Serbia. After all, thieves always band together when they have plundered and stolen other's possessions.
Illyrian lover

Rocky, your endeavor to attach yourself to a "glorious" past would be commendable if it wasn't so damn pitiful. I'm not gonna pass judgement on the illyrian theory, which is at least controversial and has been disputed by many. I'm gonna take it as accurate. So what? So what if modern day Albanians are descendants of the ancient Illyrians? Does that alone make them a better people? And who were the ancient Illyrians? An utterly insignificant bunch of people. What's their contribution to human history? Let's not kid ourselves. The only reason that the Albanians have embraced the illyrian theory of their origin is because they wanna prove (to themselves first and foremost) that they're an ancient people with deep roots in the Balkans whereas the Slavs are newcomers and have fewer territorial rights. Well as far as we Greeks are concerned you're both newcomers. And it is true that after the 14th century we blended with the Albanians but before that we also blended with the Slavs. That doesn't make us neither Albanians nor Slavs because our nation is based on culture and education, not some weird western nationalistic ideas of racial purity. Pure and clean nations exist only in dirty minds.
As for being a member of the NATO alliance of which you take pride, that only means that you get to die some thousands of miles away from your country. Nothing more really.

Ha,ha,ha you've made my day Rocky.Albanians ancient?You could make a good living in a comedy show.

sometimes money isn't everything Rob.
better to be poor and have friends than be rich and have none...like yourself.!!

I reckon the only country which is not bankrupt is mighty Albania.I wonder why albanians are flocking into bankrupt countries.

@thanasis,
May I am wrong but the message from Rocky is about the future cooperation and friendship between albanians and greeks.Like it or not we are direct neighbores,and unlike serbs that are far away from Greece,greeks and albanians should look forward and not keep insulting each other.
You have a greek minority in Albania and we have 500 thousand emigrants for 20 years which now are becoming second genaration emigrants and their kids will contribute pozitively to Greek society,as arvanites did before them.
The biggest victory of turks was not that they conquered our countries,but they left us stabbing each other on the back.
in 1389 serbs,albanians,greeks etc were fighting the same enemy and were allies.Now serbs kill albanians,greeks try to satisfy both and not satisfying at least albanians,serbs are fighting everyone who in 1389 was their ally,greeks instead of colaborating with albanians did what they did and albanians were pushed to be with Italy,Austro-Hungary or Turkey.

I am not excpesting serbs to change,because they never will,but greeks are more flexible and since they have direct ties with albanians they have to change and slowely I see greek poltics taking more pragmatic steps toward Albania and Kosovo.

Oh, *please*.
The Greeks can't even stand by themselves...

...Albanians because there is none to speak of as you have said, the Illyrians?.....who are they?????????? what did they ever do to leave their mark on history????? nothing important enough to talk about in the history books unlike Greece....
@Spartan,
u better tell arvanites, that they come from some unimportant people and I am pretty sure they will kick u out of their villages.

As for the origine of Albanians,
They may be thousands of theories,but only illyrian -albanian make sense.
None of the theories have any documented how albanians come in Balkans and when.They dont say this fact because albanians ..were there and didnt come from Russia.
U r telling me that Muzaka,Topia,Kastrioti,Komneni,Balshaj,Dukagjini and other albananian noble families come migrated to albania from different places of the Europe and happened to speak the same language?Cmon man grow up!
The migration of Albanians never happaned.What happened is that Albani tribe which was located near Tirana and mentioned since 400 before Christ, grew up and took over other tribes.

Anyway,this doesnt make us and u better than others.What matters is how to look forward and not backword.
I know that with serbs lokking forward is Mission Impossible since their time tells 1389.But I am excpecting greeks,bulgarians ,croatians,montenegrins etc to move on and look forward.

Papoulias: Greece will always stand by Serbia

Rocky: I am 100% sure that Greece will, in the very near future recognize Kosova as a independent country!!!

Conclusion: If you don't like what you read, make up a completely different story to believe.

I think your own YouTube channel is turning you into an idiot Mr. Cimaj.

thanasis

greece is based on western ideology
if it wasnt for king otto, greece was going to speak albanian today
learn the history of your country before you talk. Ancient greeks have no connection with modern greece.Greece was 500 years under ottoman rule..thats a long time. athens was an albanian village and still is but the arvanites are threatened by the greek government to speak albanian.
AGAIN, greece was created by the wast ideology, meaning creating modern greece, we will create ancient greece and link the ancient history to the modern so people fell for it.

that's very good for you thanasis, we on the other hand have had a secular national development because we are a nation of 3 faiths (or 4 if you consider the Bektashis different from mainstream Islam, which it is). I do agree with you, I very much doubt Albanians and Greeks can develop or for that matter will ever create ties to rival that of Greeks and Serbs. you share a common religion with them, which you don't do with us and though some seem to view this as tragic, I am unperturbed by it. it wasn't that long ago that you had the Greek army chant anti-Albanian songs at one of their parades.

@nikolle

I told you some time ago that we'd eventually find something to agree upon so i'm happy that the time has come. And yes the modern greek nation has indeed been forged by the greek orthodox priests. But you know what? For us Greeks that's not a necessarily bad thing because not all orthodox priest are backward, narrow-minded people. Of course there is that type of priest but there are also educated, bright people who belong to the clergy. As a matter of fact some of the most promiment figures of greek illuminism during the 18th and 19th centuries were priests. You've propably never heard of names like Evgenios Voulgaris, Neofytos Doukas, Athanasios Psalidas or Kosmas Etolos but those were the people that prepared the enslaved greek nation for its uprising in 1821 and they were all priests. And illuminism in Greece never had the anticlerical characteristics that such movements had in Western Europe. You must always bear in mind Nikolle that in many aspects Greece is a sui generis case. So the orthodox church may have its faults and weaknesses but it is also the only institution that preserved both our national and religious identity. It's literally what kept us going during the long ottoman night.

thanasis

everyone knows about Greek history and it's ancient past of that there is no dispute, however mr. rocky cannot give any ancient history of the Albanians because there is none to speak of as you have said, the Illyrians?.....who are they?????????? what did they ever do to leave their mark on history????? nothing important enough to talk about in the history books unlike Greece.

Rocky the mythologist, maybe you should take up juggling or something because your historical knowledge is laughable.

(Rocky, 19 June 2013 14:43)


“100% sure that Greece will, in the very near future recognize Kosova as a independent country”

Considering you have been wrong at every point so far I suggest that we call you Wrong Way Rocky.


“Kosova & Albania, thru secondary parties should pry open strategic economic talks with Greece”

Strategic economic talks; are you joking? When were you in Albania the last time? I was there about 14 months ago and apart from some development in spots along the coast and the capital, the rest is third world rural conditions.

The Greeks hate Albanians even more than the Serbs.


Oh Please cut this NATO crap out. It’s not Club Med. It’s a war machine that is about to declare victory in Afghanistan and leave with its tail between its legs in utter and complete defeat.

To Graham

I assume you are an Englishman, you people soon won't be able to stand either my friend, God almighty, you can't even stop the extremism in your own country where an off duty soldier can't walk on his own streets without being almost beheaded my nut job Islamists. Your city of London where the Englishman is in the minority as they are in a number of other cities in your country. You soon won't have a country, why, because of your damned arrogance and aggression and interference in other peoples affairs. Your government robs the sick and venerable yet bomb and kill other people. You won't stand soon enough, it's only a matter of time.

My advice to you is look at your own problems and affairs and try and save your own country before you don't have one anymore. Greece is in trouble now, but it will bounce back which is more than can be said about your sorry country. You think about that now.

Good day to you.

Hey Rocky, you wanna go bowling?

Thanks for the free lesson on modern greek history. Such lessons are always welcome when they come from brainwashed albanian diaspora trolls with absolutely no touch with reality. I have some questions though: King Otto, who was a Bavarian, made the 19th century Greeks speak Greek against their will? So he obliged them to learn a foreign language? Is that what you're actually saying? And modern Greeks have nothing in common with the ancient ones and that's an undeniable fact according to you? You on the other hand are direct, pure-blooded descendants of the ancient Illyrians and that fact is also undeniable, am i right? So what you deny for others you claim for yourselves with the greatest of ease. And what about the Arvanites? Which greek government forced them to take part in the cause of greek independence in 1821? The one that did not exist at the time? And why would the Arvanites fight for the liberty of the greek nation if they didn't feel part of that nation? Did someone force them to do that against their will?
And by the way when was the last time you visited the "albanian village"
of Athens? Because nowadays it seems more nigerian or paqistani rather than albanian. Maybe you should come and restore its "albanian" character.

Hi eric( nice name,is it albanian?)

We all know albanians are turkish immigrants brought into balkans in the 14th century by rhe turks.This is why all names of places in kosovo are serbian and not albanian.No matter how hard
albanians try they cant convince themselves let alone others.

Dear Serbs
Serbs and Greeks only have something in common virtually, but not otherwise
All 100 heroes who died for the independence of Greece (1821)are of Albanian origin, in Greek Arvanites, so i don't know that a serbian or serbin died for greece,dear serbs, your origin is from russia. you invaded the balkans as strangers.