Dačić: What did God do to deserve this

I think that Dacic is finally realizing, that its these fanatical religious leaders, which have caused all these problems past & present! Dacic, also realizes that inorder for serbia to move forward, the state must alienate these fanatical religious figures, once & for all...

In a telephone statement for the Beta news agency, Dačić said he was "sometimes wondering what dear God did to deserve to be represented on earth by such people."

Some wise man said: "If there would be a god, and he would be almighty, he wouldn't allow that people on earth abuse his name."

Just like these bishops do, and the same goes for Allah and the Mullahs.

Ian, thank God your views are your own. There are many believers, all over the world, and religious beliefs certainly do shape the world. Maybe you have noticed that there have been a few international events in the last 15 years or so, that have had quite a dramatic effect on the world. To disclaim religious beliefs, simply because they are not your own, is quite ignorant. I agree, church and state should be separate, but Serbian politicians should not ride both sides of the fence, and use the church when it is to their advantage. As for Dacic, you are correct, he is a socialist, ex communist really, that never had an appetite for religion. So his statements condemning the church is no surprise, especially when it is not in his favor.

Albanians burn churches, vandalize graveyards and provoke Serbs when they try to visit religious sites, all in Kosovo. It's way past due for somebody to express offense over this and the silence from Belgrade. I don't think he was threatening anyone, just warning. With Dacic off on his little tour of high tech US, maybe he was warned already. Dacic has certainly been free with threatening Kosovo Serbs with violence.

Dacic is a former communist, he's no Christian, such an unholy man cannot make these statements.

There isn't a 'God' therefore something which doesn't exist can't deserve anything. These religious nutters believe in an invisble man in the sky due ancient supersitions. I'm not stupid enough to actually believe in that BS! Dacic, please ignore these looneys, you're supposed to be a Socialist, be an Athiest and tell them they're full of ****!

"...dear God did to deserve to be represented on earth by such people."

These are fundamentalists...it doesn't matter what religion someone is trying to "protect"

Dačić: What did God do to deserve this?

God allowed the serbs to live in this planet.

Comm. Parrison: Some wise man said: "If there would be a god, and he would be almighty, he wouldn't allow that people on earth abuse his name."

"Just like these bishops do, and the same goes for Allah and the Mullahs."


First time I fully agree with your comment.

a traitor is wondering...

Separation of church and state is paramount in having a good functioning society. State should focus on REAL issues, not bs that some bearded men in dresses and flashy jewelry spew on the population. By all means express yourself as a free citizen, but not as a representative of imaginary deity up high.

Well said Dacic, deluded and self satisfying religious men (not women, they're not allowed to join the madness) have spread their poison long enough.

Well I am Albanian, not religious but I hate religious extremists on both sides but especially muslims because they hold on to their religion like its some kind of a drug and abuse it. But yeah both sides are bad especially when they try to get involved in state politics.

these so called religious leaders in serbia aren't any better than the leaders of the fundementalist islamic movement of or religious nuts in the catholic church or the freaky religious fundementalist in the US. But in Serbia this has a different quality. They have (hopefully we can say had soon) a much higher influence in society, and have more power over political decisions in their country than in any other other country in the West. They supported the Milosevic regime, and provided the basis for the sick glorification of Serbias past history full of mystical fairytales of a past which never exitested the way they tried their followers to believe.

They see that power slipping away now and just like any of the above mentioned groups they come with treats, start violence, and it won't be long till the will openly call for the overthrow of the government. These people aren't people of god, they just use people's religious believes for push their own agenda.

Spartan - I don't need to prove there isn't a God as there isn't any proof there is a God. There is a scientific explanation to everything you can possibly to say about 'proof' of a God. And no, I won't mourn. I am an Athiest, death is what I believe in. You too are an Athiest, I just believe in one less God than you. The reason why you reject all the other Gods (Hindu Gods, Ancient Egyptian, Ancient Greek, Roman, Viking ect) is the same reason why I reject your claim about your so called God. If anyone is a fool, it is those who follow a religion.

Those "Church" leaders have nothing to do with god, and everything to doo with nationalist politics - please!

"And what did the Serbs do to deserve the likes of you?"
(Peggy, 11 May 2013 11:32)

One thing: Unlike these so-called 'religious leaders' which have no democratic legitimation at all (especially not to meddle in politics), Dacic was elected as prime minister after a fair and democratic voting.

If someone tells you a ship is sailing on the ocean without a pilot would you believe him? obviously no, then why would you believe it if some one says planets are orbiting the sun without a "driver"? Besides why would people come up with a lie called god if it makes people better human beings, god certainly exists there should be no doubt about it.

What did God do to deserve this?God allowed the serbs to live in this planet. (Mark, 10. maj 2013 21:32) Don't be racist!

“Nobody has the right to threaten others and to behave as if they live in the time of the Inquisition,” Dacic said.

First time, and I believe will be the last one, that I agree with Dacic.

It is good to laugh.

Only 8.4% of the population voted for this man and now he is Prime Minister. He clearly owes his position to support from Serbia's NATO enemies and not to support from the Serbian public.

Religious people can't prove there is a God by atheists like yourself can't prove there isn't. I'm tired of listening to people who want to lecture the world of how it is and how it should be.
(MikeC, 11 May 2013 08:19)

Ok, so you are saying there is no truth to what Mr. Gavrilovic said that international recognition of Kosovo is a sin.

the belief in god is the stupidy of mankind you believers need to read prof richard dawkins books.

Paul,
I have never condoned the burning of religious sites whether it was Albanians burning churches or Serbs burning mosques (Serbs seem to like to omit that happened) but the most appropriate comment here comes from God himself:

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Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD

Interesting, when Serbian priest cautions Dacic not to to speak words that will infuriate some people who might decide to do unspeakable act of killing, everyone is at his throat. People, he did not ask someone to do that, he asked people to chose their words in such a hot subject as Kosovo. Another thing, talking about how much influence should religion have in political decision, just remember world biggest politician, Pope Paul from Poland. No one ever thought he should be out of political decisions even thaw most world leaders were getting advises from him. DOUBLE STANDARD AMAZES ME, BUT NOT SURPRISING.

Mr Dacic - You know nothing about God.

I Quote -

Dačić told Tanjug that SPC representatives have no right to threaten anyone.

Comment - GOD HAS - !.

And that threath can be Voiced by His Reprecentatives !.

God is Sovreighn and can use Anybody for whatever purpose He have.

Arn.Sweden.

Ian UK

Tell me, how do you know that there is no God? where is your definite proof??? please explain, I am intrigued to know that you can definitely prove that God does not exist.

On the other hand, I can say to you that everything around us denotes a creation, do you deny this?? do you deny your existence??? do you deny that you came into being by an act of pro-creation???

When people like you can give us absolute proof that God does not exist maybe you will have some credibility, but now you most certainly do not and your statement to me is a very foolish one, foolish because I know that you cannot prove that God does not exist, there is no proof to say that he does not. Look around you at all the complex life forms on your own planet and your own existence, all of that denotes a creation that did not just happen by chance, anyone who says otherwise is a fool. I say to you that a time will come when you will verily eat your words and I would certainly not like to be in your shoes for bearing a foolish falsehood such as you have done. God help you because no-one else will.

Cheerio Ian UK, have a nice day I hope God will forgive you your foolishness.

PS Fools mock but they shall mourn.

And what did the Serbs do to deserve the likes of you?

Whilst no one can prove for sure that God or some kind of prime mover doesn't exist (which would be a deistic position), the God in which the Abrahamic religions believe in, for sure is fiction.

I think that Dacic is finally realizing, that its these fanatical religious leaders, which have caused all these problems past & present! Dacic, also realizes that inorder for serbia to move forward, the state must alienate these fanatical religious figures, once & for all...
(Rocky, 10 May 2013 23:16)

Not really, Dacic and Company grew them, supported them, filled their heads with propaganda and their pockets with money in exchange for their services as stormtroopers. Maybe you do not remember the day after the elections Dacic and the head of the Red Star (some other team) hooligans partying together. There was a photo on B92 too. Now, Dacic and Co do not need their services anymore. Ends of relationships are always harder on one of the parties.

"In a telephone statement for the Beta news agency, Dačić said he was "sometimes wondering what dear God did to deserve to be represented on earth by such people."

-- As an Atheist, for the lack of a better word; Amen to that. MikeC and Spartan, the burden of proof is on your side. You can't expect others to prove a negative. That would be like us insisting for you to prove that you are not major drug dealers. It's completely a ridiculous claim. You are the ones that come up with the notion of God. The difference is that you have a belief system and as such you have the burden of proof to show that your belief system is valid. We on the other side lack such a belief system. As such there is no need to prove or show the lack of a belief system. It simply isn't there.

P.S Also those who brought you the bible are the same people who insisted that that the earth was flat and even burned people alive for proving the opposite because God said so . You'd think that in those thousands of pages in the bible God wouldn't have missed such an important message. He could have simply said it in the end. "Hey by the way; that earth I created- yea it is not flat but round". I guess he forgot. For such an omnipotent, benevolent, it is interesting that he allows all kinds of evil to roam freely in this world. Or maybe he is not omnipotent or benevolent at all? Then what kind of God is that?

What I'm wondering is what the Serbian people ever did to deserve being represented by you Mr.Dacic !!!As Serbia gets smaller your wasteline gets bigger you really are living off the fat of the land.Do the decent thing and resign and let's have someone who actually represents Serbian interests and not those of the EU,NATO and the other western quangos that seem determined to imasculate Serbia.Good on the clergy for having the balls to say what many Serbians are thinking.

you pathetic sell- outs even our holy church is against you communist

@ mark you albo troll we Serbs live on this planet not in it ...

Ian, UK

Who are you to tell us if there is a God or not? Religious people can't prove there is a God by atheists like yourself can't prove there isn't. I'm tired of listening to people who want to lecture the world of how it is and how it should be.

"Yes, you do have to prove that there "IS NO GOD", you make a statement so now you must back it up with positive proof."

You're wrong.

It's elementary logic that you can't prove a negative.

You can't prove conclusively that there is no tooth-fairy, for example. The burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim, ie "there is a toothfairy".

You can't say, "there is a toothfairy and you can't prove that there isn't, so therefore there is"

Never mind Dacic, even though he is right, but Patrijarch Irinej said that Atanasije did not have his permission to speak for the church in Belgrade. Especially for what he said.

"There are countless worlds and galaxies out there in the universe, just because I cannot see them does not mean they don't exist, the same goes for advanced beings or other life forms, I know they are there but I have not seen them."

Spartan, was Jesus crucified in these other worlds on these other galaxies by these other life forms as well? Is God in these other galaxies the God of Jews for these other life forms? Did he kill the first born son in these galaxies as well? Did the Catholic church burn these advanced life forms for going against the church? Is christianity the one and true religion for these other life forms? When these other advanced beings die, do they go to the same heaven as us or does god have segregatrd heavens based on galaxies, solar systems, planets, etc? Did Jesus appear in these galaxies as a human or as their own life form? Where any discioles following him there? What about prostitutes?

Also for someone accusing Ian of searching for absolute truths it is quite ironic that you are so absolute in your attitude. You speak of other worlds and beings without a shred of evidence as if you went there and lived in those worlds. Faith requires no evidence, just blind belief. Some people are not ok with that just because a funny dressed man says so. We want absolute evidence for everything else in life but not for religion? Why the f... should that get a pass? But wanting absolute evidence for other religions is ok? Scientology for example? Why?

If they ran on the platform of giving Kosovo away they would not have been elected. They were elected on a lie. How many times do you need to hear that?
(Peggy, 12 May 2013 07:08)

They were elected for improving Serbia's economy and certainly wasting money in Kosovo to pay double salaries to "businessman" there while Serb children are malnurished and live in poverty, does not make economic sense.

There are countless worlds and galaxies out there in the universe, just because I cannot see them does not mean they don't exist, the same goes for advanced beings or other life forms, I know they are there but I have not seen them.
(Spartan, 12 May 2013 06:25)

But we do see those galaxies dear which is why we know they are there and yes, probability gives a reasonable chance for some other form of life to exist somewhere else, as well. But you have no proof that that form of life is God :)
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Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things Ian UK, if you have faith you believe in things which are not seen but which are true and you receive no witness until after the trial of your faith.
(Spartan, 12 May 2013 06:25)

That's exactly the point. That people, sometime, instead of trying to perfect their knowledge and understand, rather take the shortcut and explain things they don't understand by putting faith on God which is why the world stood still for almost a millemium in the Dark Ages because people did not try to think and understand but took the "faith in God" shortcut and burned to the stake those who dared to think.
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I have had such an experience and just because you have not does not make mine untrue or any less real just because people like you say so.
(Spartan, 12 May 2013 06:25)

You are free to believe for yourself whatever you want; just don't present them as truths without any evidence other than your visions.

Sounds like these priests try to put fun back into fundamentalism...

As for the question about existence of any matter, the burden of proof rests squarely with those who postulates something exists, not the other way around. Something doesn't become an objective truth just because its non-existence can't be proven. This applies whether the postulate is the existence of god or that Albanians are direct descendants from tribes that used to live on Mars...

I too am an atheist. But not all religious beliefs have equal validity or equal morality. Some religious beliefs are better than others. And I am a materialist, not just an atheist. Many religious beliefs also do not include a belief in any number of gods. Buddhism, for example is atheist.

But if one is to believe in the G_d of Abraham, then those religious believers who are most tied religiously to a nation are closest to that G_d. That G_d chose a people, the Jews, to be the first recipients of that G_d's teachings and rules for living and one of those most important lessons is that G_d promised a piece of land to the Jews. He delivered them from an empire that spread its power and dominion over other peoples and nations and their gods went with them. The Egyptions claimed to be gods themselves. But G_d never promised anything more to the Jews than Israel. And Serbs do not believe that God promises anything more to the Serbs than Serbia. There is no Greater Serbia in the Serbian Orthodoxy. There is only Kosovo.

The belief in the G_d of the Jews has done much to advance the cause of humanity and the corruption of that G_d's teachings to advance the cause of empires has been the source of all the world's misery in the last two thousand years.

Ian UK

Yes, you do have to prove that there "IS NO GOD", you make a statement so now you must back it up with positive proof.

You also said that basically death is the end, that is not so Ian UK.
You cannot say to me that this is the case when I have both seen and heard things with my own eyes and ears, just because you have had no experience in these matters doesn't mean that what I have seen for myself is untrue, you cannot say such a thing and you cannot disprove that I have had this experience just because you don't believe.

You are a person who would say "I'll believe it if I see it" There are countless worlds and galaxies out there in the universe, just because I cannot see them does not mean they don't exist, the same goes for advanced beings or other life forms, I know they are there but I have not seen them.

Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things Ian UK, if you have faith you believe in things which are not seen but which are true and you receive no witness until after the trial of your faith. I have had such an experience and just because you have not does not make mine untrue or any less real just because people like you say so.

I tell you now Ian UK, the day shall come that you will see the folly of your unproven statement, that day will come as sure as the sun rises and I will seek you out and then we shall see who looks the fool. That is my satisfaction because I know that time will come.

Cheerio Ian.

One thing: Unlike these so-called 'religious leaders' which have no democratic legitimation at all (especially not to meddle in politics), Dacic was elected as prime minister after a fair and democratic voting.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 May 2013 14:03)
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If they ran on the platform of giving Kosovo away they would not have been elected. They were elected on a lie. How many times do you need to hear that?
This means that they are not legitimate representatives. They have no mandate to do what they are doing.

There isn't a 'God' therefore something which doesn't exist can't deserve anything. These religious nutters believe in an invisble man in the sky due ancient supersitions. I'm not stupid enough to actually believe in that BS! Dacic, please ignore these looneys, you're supposed to be a Socialist, be an Athiest and tell them they're full of ****!

I think that Dacic is finally realizing, that its these fanatical religious leaders, which have caused all these problems past & present! Dacic, also realizes that inorder for serbia to move forward, the state must alienate these fanatical religious figures, once & for all...

Albanians burn churches, vandalize graveyards and provoke Serbs when they try to visit religious sites, all in Kosovo. It's way past due for somebody to express offense over this and the silence from Belgrade. I don't think he was threatening anyone, just warning. With Dacic off on his little tour of high tech US, maybe he was warned already. Dacic has certainly been free with threatening Kosovo Serbs with violence.

Dačić: What did God do to deserve this?

God allowed the serbs to live in this planet.

"...dear God did to deserve to be represented on earth by such people."

These are fundamentalists...it doesn't matter what religion someone is trying to "protect"

Dacic is a former communist, he's no Christian, such an unholy man cannot make these statements.

In a telephone statement for the Beta news agency, Dačić said he was "sometimes wondering what dear God did to deserve to be represented on earth by such people."

Some wise man said: "If there would be a god, and he would be almighty, he wouldn't allow that people on earth abuse his name."

Just like these bishops do, and the same goes for Allah and the Mullahs.

a traitor is wondering...

And what did the Serbs do to deserve the likes of you?

Well said Dacic, deluded and self satisfying religious men (not women, they're not allowed to join the madness) have spread their poison long enough.

Separation of church and state is paramount in having a good functioning society. State should focus on REAL issues, not bs that some bearded men in dresses and flashy jewelry spew on the population. By all means express yourself as a free citizen, but not as a representative of imaginary deity up high.

Ian, thank God your views are your own. There are many believers, all over the world, and religious beliefs certainly do shape the world. Maybe you have noticed that there have been a few international events in the last 15 years or so, that have had quite a dramatic effect on the world. To disclaim religious beliefs, simply because they are not your own, is quite ignorant. I agree, church and state should be separate, but Serbian politicians should not ride both sides of the fence, and use the church when it is to their advantage. As for Dacic, you are correct, he is a socialist, ex communist really, that never had an appetite for religion. So his statements condemning the church is no surprise, especially when it is not in his favor.

@ mark you albo troll we Serbs live on this planet not in it ...

Ian, UK

Who are you to tell us if there is a God or not? Religious people can't prove there is a God by atheists like yourself can't prove there isn't. I'm tired of listening to people who want to lecture the world of how it is and how it should be.

Only 8.4% of the population voted for this man and now he is Prime Minister. He clearly owes his position to support from Serbia's NATO enemies and not to support from the Serbian public.

Comm. Parrison: Some wise man said: "If there would be a god, and he would be almighty, he wouldn't allow that people on earth abuse his name."

"Just like these bishops do, and the same goes for Allah and the Mullahs."


First time I fully agree with your comment.

Mr Dacic - You know nothing about God.

I Quote -

Dačić told Tanjug that SPC representatives have no right to threaten anyone.

Comment - GOD HAS - !.

And that threath can be Voiced by His Reprecentatives !.

God is Sovreighn and can use Anybody for whatever purpose He have.

Arn.Sweden.

Ian UK

Tell me, how do you know that there is no God? where is your definite proof??? please explain, I am intrigued to know that you can definitely prove that God does not exist.

On the other hand, I can say to you that everything around us denotes a creation, do you deny this?? do you deny your existence??? do you deny that you came into being by an act of pro-creation???

When people like you can give us absolute proof that God does not exist maybe you will have some credibility, but now you most certainly do not and your statement to me is a very foolish one, foolish because I know that you cannot prove that God does not exist, there is no proof to say that he does not. Look around you at all the complex life forms on your own planet and your own existence, all of that denotes a creation that did not just happen by chance, anyone who says otherwise is a fool. I say to you that a time will come when you will verily eat your words and I would certainly not like to be in your shoes for bearing a foolish falsehood such as you have done. God help you because no-one else will.

Cheerio Ian UK, have a nice day I hope God will forgive you your foolishness.

PS Fools mock but they shall mourn.

If someone tells you a ship is sailing on the ocean without a pilot would you believe him? obviously no, then why would you believe it if some one says planets are orbiting the sun without a "driver"? Besides why would people come up with a lie called god if it makes people better human beings, god certainly exists there should be no doubt about it.

you pathetic sell- outs even our holy church is against you communist

What I'm wondering is what the Serbian people ever did to deserve being represented by you Mr.Dacic !!!As Serbia gets smaller your wasteline gets bigger you really are living off the fat of the land.Do the decent thing and resign and let's have someone who actually represents Serbian interests and not those of the EU,NATO and the other western quangos that seem determined to imasculate Serbia.Good on the clergy for having the balls to say what many Serbians are thinking.

the belief in god is the stupidy of mankind you believers need to read prof richard dawkins books.

these so called religious leaders in serbia aren't any better than the leaders of the fundementalist islamic movement of or religious nuts in the catholic church or the freaky religious fundementalist in the US. But in Serbia this has a different quality. They have (hopefully we can say had soon) a much higher influence in society, and have more power over political decisions in their country than in any other other country in the West. They supported the Milosevic regime, and provided the basis for the sick glorification of Serbias past history full of mystical fairytales of a past which never exitested the way they tried their followers to believe.

They see that power slipping away now and just like any of the above mentioned groups they come with treats, start violence, and it won't be long till the will openly call for the overthrow of the government. These people aren't people of god, they just use people's religious believes for push their own agenda.

Whilst no one can prove for sure that God or some kind of prime mover doesn't exist (which would be a deistic position), the God in which the Abrahamic religions believe in, for sure is fiction.

Those "Church" leaders have nothing to do with god, and everything to doo with nationalist politics - please!

Never mind Dacic, even though he is right, but Patrijarch Irinej said that Atanasije did not have his permission to speak for the church in Belgrade. Especially for what he said.

Interesting, when Serbian priest cautions Dacic not to to speak words that will infuriate some people who might decide to do unspeakable act of killing, everyone is at his throat. People, he did not ask someone to do that, he asked people to chose their words in such a hot subject as Kosovo. Another thing, talking about how much influence should religion have in political decision, just remember world biggest politician, Pope Paul from Poland. No one ever thought he should be out of political decisions even thaw most world leaders were getting advises from him. DOUBLE STANDARD AMAZES ME, BUT NOT SURPRISING.

Ian UK

Yes, you do have to prove that there "IS NO GOD", you make a statement so now you must back it up with positive proof.

You also said that basically death is the end, that is not so Ian UK.
You cannot say to me that this is the case when I have both seen and heard things with my own eyes and ears, just because you have had no experience in these matters doesn't mean that what I have seen for myself is untrue, you cannot say such a thing and you cannot disprove that I have had this experience just because you don't believe.

You are a person who would say "I'll believe it if I see it" There are countless worlds and galaxies out there in the universe, just because I cannot see them does not mean they don't exist, the same goes for advanced beings or other life forms, I know they are there but I have not seen them.

Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things Ian UK, if you have faith you believe in things which are not seen but which are true and you receive no witness until after the trial of your faith. I have had such an experience and just because you have not does not make mine untrue or any less real just because people like you say so.

I tell you now Ian UK, the day shall come that you will see the folly of your unproven statement, that day will come as sure as the sun rises and I will seek you out and then we shall see who looks the fool. That is my satisfaction because I know that time will come.

Cheerio Ian.

It is good to laugh.

What did God do to deserve this?God allowed the serbs to live in this planet. (Mark, 10. maj 2013 21:32) Don't be racist!

Well I am Albanian, not religious but I hate religious extremists on both sides but especially muslims because they hold on to their religion like its some kind of a drug and abuse it. But yeah both sides are bad especially when they try to get involved in state politics.

"And what did the Serbs do to deserve the likes of you?"
(Peggy, 11 May 2013 11:32)

One thing: Unlike these so-called 'religious leaders' which have no democratic legitimation at all (especially not to meddle in politics), Dacic was elected as prime minister after a fair and democratic voting.

Spartan - I don't need to prove there isn't a God as there isn't any proof there is a God. There is a scientific explanation to everything you can possibly to say about 'proof' of a God. And no, I won't mourn. I am an Athiest, death is what I believe in. You too are an Athiest, I just believe in one less God than you. The reason why you reject all the other Gods (Hindu Gods, Ancient Egyptian, Ancient Greek, Roman, Viking ect) is the same reason why I reject your claim about your so called God. If anyone is a fool, it is those who follow a religion.

I too am an atheist. But not all religious beliefs have equal validity or equal morality. Some religious beliefs are better than others. And I am a materialist, not just an atheist. Many religious beliefs also do not include a belief in any number of gods. Buddhism, for example is atheist.

But if one is to believe in the G_d of Abraham, then those religious believers who are most tied religiously to a nation are closest to that G_d. That G_d chose a people, the Jews, to be the first recipients of that G_d's teachings and rules for living and one of those most important lessons is that G_d promised a piece of land to the Jews. He delivered them from an empire that spread its power and dominion over other peoples and nations and their gods went with them. The Egyptions claimed to be gods themselves. But G_d never promised anything more to the Jews than Israel. And Serbs do not believe that God promises anything more to the Serbs than Serbia. There is no Greater Serbia in the Serbian Orthodoxy. There is only Kosovo.

The belief in the G_d of the Jews has done much to advance the cause of humanity and the corruption of that G_d's teachings to advance the cause of empires has been the source of all the world's misery in the last two thousand years.

One thing: Unlike these so-called 'religious leaders' which have no democratic legitimation at all (especially not to meddle in politics), Dacic was elected as prime minister after a fair and democratic voting.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 May 2013 14:03)
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If they ran on the platform of giving Kosovo away they would not have been elected. They were elected on a lie. How many times do you need to hear that?
This means that they are not legitimate representatives. They have no mandate to do what they are doing.

Religious people can't prove there is a God by atheists like yourself can't prove there isn't. I'm tired of listening to people who want to lecture the world of how it is and how it should be.
(MikeC, 11 May 2013 08:19)

Ok, so you are saying there is no truth to what Mr. Gavrilovic said that international recognition of Kosovo is a sin.

If they ran on the platform of giving Kosovo away they would not have been elected. They were elected on a lie. How many times do you need to hear that?
(Peggy, 12 May 2013 07:08)

They were elected for improving Serbia's economy and certainly wasting money in Kosovo to pay double salaries to "businessman" there while Serb children are malnurished and live in poverty, does not make economic sense.

There are countless worlds and galaxies out there in the universe, just because I cannot see them does not mean they don't exist, the same goes for advanced beings or other life forms, I know they are there but I have not seen them.
(Spartan, 12 May 2013 06:25)

But we do see those galaxies dear which is why we know they are there and yes, probability gives a reasonable chance for some other form of life to exist somewhere else, as well. But you have no proof that that form of life is God :)
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Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things Ian UK, if you have faith you believe in things which are not seen but which are true and you receive no witness until after the trial of your faith.
(Spartan, 12 May 2013 06:25)

That's exactly the point. That people, sometime, instead of trying to perfect their knowledge and understand, rather take the shortcut and explain things they don't understand by putting faith on God which is why the world stood still for almost a millemium in the Dark Ages because people did not try to think and understand but took the "faith in God" shortcut and burned to the stake those who dared to think.
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I have had such an experience and just because you have not does not make mine untrue or any less real just because people like you say so.
(Spartan, 12 May 2013 06:25)

You are free to believe for yourself whatever you want; just don't present them as truths without any evidence other than your visions.

Paul,
I have never condoned the burning of religious sites whether it was Albanians burning churches or Serbs burning mosques (Serbs seem to like to omit that happened) but the most appropriate comment here comes from God himself:

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Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD

“Nobody has the right to threaten others and to behave as if they live in the time of the Inquisition,” Dacic said.

First time, and I believe will be the last one, that I agree with Dacic.

I think that Dacic is finally realizing, that its these fanatical religious leaders, which have caused all these problems past & present! Dacic, also realizes that inorder for serbia to move forward, the state must alienate these fanatical religious figures, once & for all...
(Rocky, 10 May 2013 23:16)

Not really, Dacic and Company grew them, supported them, filled their heads with propaganda and their pockets with money in exchange for their services as stormtroopers. Maybe you do not remember the day after the elections Dacic and the head of the Red Star (some other team) hooligans partying together. There was a photo on B92 too. Now, Dacic and Co do not need their services anymore. Ends of relationships are always harder on one of the parties.

"In a telephone statement for the Beta news agency, Dačić said he was "sometimes wondering what dear God did to deserve to be represented on earth by such people."

-- As an Atheist, for the lack of a better word; Amen to that. MikeC and Spartan, the burden of proof is on your side. You can't expect others to prove a negative. That would be like us insisting for you to prove that you are not major drug dealers. It's completely a ridiculous claim. You are the ones that come up with the notion of God. The difference is that you have a belief system and as such you have the burden of proof to show that your belief system is valid. We on the other side lack such a belief system. As such there is no need to prove or show the lack of a belief system. It simply isn't there.

P.S Also those who brought you the bible are the same people who insisted that that the earth was flat and even burned people alive for proving the opposite because God said so . You'd think that in those thousands of pages in the bible God wouldn't have missed such an important message. He could have simply said it in the end. "Hey by the way; that earth I created- yea it is not flat but round". I guess he forgot. For such an omnipotent, benevolent, it is interesting that he allows all kinds of evil to roam freely in this world. Or maybe he is not omnipotent or benevolent at all? Then what kind of God is that?

"Yes, you do have to prove that there "IS NO GOD", you make a statement so now you must back it up with positive proof."

You're wrong.

It's elementary logic that you can't prove a negative.

You can't prove conclusively that there is no tooth-fairy, for example. The burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim, ie "there is a toothfairy".

You can't say, "there is a toothfairy and you can't prove that there isn't, so therefore there is"

"There are countless worlds and galaxies out there in the universe, just because I cannot see them does not mean they don't exist, the same goes for advanced beings or other life forms, I know they are there but I have not seen them."

Spartan, was Jesus crucified in these other worlds on these other galaxies by these other life forms as well? Is God in these other galaxies the God of Jews for these other life forms? Did he kill the first born son in these galaxies as well? Did the Catholic church burn these advanced life forms for going against the church? Is christianity the one and true religion for these other life forms? When these other advanced beings die, do they go to the same heaven as us or does god have segregatrd heavens based on galaxies, solar systems, planets, etc? Did Jesus appear in these galaxies as a human or as their own life form? Where any discioles following him there? What about prostitutes?

Also for someone accusing Ian of searching for absolute truths it is quite ironic that you are so absolute in your attitude. You speak of other worlds and beings without a shred of evidence as if you went there and lived in those worlds. Faith requires no evidence, just blind belief. Some people are not ok with that just because a funny dressed man says so. We want absolute evidence for everything else in life but not for religion? Why the f... should that get a pass? But wanting absolute evidence for other religions is ok? Scientology for example? Why?

Sounds like these priests try to put fun back into fundamentalism...

As for the question about existence of any matter, the burden of proof rests squarely with those who postulates something exists, not the other way around. Something doesn't become an objective truth just because its non-existence can't be proven. This applies whether the postulate is the existence of god or that Albanians are direct descendants from tribes that used to live on Mars...