No agreement in talks on implementation

Best thing Kosovo delegation should do now is to stop wasting our time and say to Serbia that give us a call after you've recognised Kosovo. Untill then is total waste of time to talk with serbia. History has proven this.

Đurić also said that the EC officials "did not have any significant objections" to this plan.


Please, stop speaking on behalf of EC. What is wrong with Serb politicians, that tend to speak for someone else!? Vuk Jeremic used to speak on behalf of other countries when he was lobbying not to recognize Kosova, and the following week the same country recognized Kosova.

Serbia is already violating the agreement. The dismantling of the parallel structures is an integral part of the agreement. Especially the courts which are mentioned in this news are to integrated into the Kosovo structures since stipulated in point 10 of the agreement:

"10. The judicial authorities will be integrated and operate within the Kosovo legal framework. the Appellate Court in Pristina will establish a panel composed of a majority of K/S judges to deal with all Kosovo Serb majority municipalities. A division of the Appellate Court, composed both by administrative staff and judges, will sit permanently in northern Mitrovica (Mitrovica District Court). Each panel of the above division will be composed by a majority of K/S judges. Appropriate judges will sit dependent on the nature of the case involved."

Therefore, to say that the Serb delegation came "with the best intentions, and with the goal that the spirit and letter of the agreement be implemented" can be described as blatant lie.

However, I'm actually not so surprised that the Serb side reacts in that way since they clearly can't get their people in North Kosovo under control. Means that somebody else has to do that and in their way, using all means necessary.

I wish never had a southern province full of albanians, that way we'd have joined the EU a long time ago...

Pristina walked out. If Pristina felt like the agreement signed actually represented their point of view, then they wouldn't have walked out. I'm stunned to hear they walked out. If they really want the letter of the agreement to be implemented, then they should just stick around. Make the Serbs walk out. I think the Albanians have dropped the ball here. They are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Things are looking good for the Serbs again and the crew in charge is beginning to look like they are firing on cylinders again. But mostly because the Albanians walked out.

It was expected that the Albanian side would be less cooperative, because agreement is not well supported and well accepted among Kosovo Albanians. Actually, I think they do not want to start the implementation of the agreement, and will later blame the Serbian side for the obstruction. It is well-tried and repeatedly successful recipe for getting what they want. Serbian team should be very patient and persistent.

Paul,
I disagree that things are looking good for Serbia.
Serbia has a long history now of agreeing to one thing in Brussels and then changing it once back in Belgrade. It sounds like more of the same thing. This time Brussels did not rush into giving Serbia what they wanted and then wait to see if Serbia does what they said they would do. If implementation does not start, Serbia is back to the square where they were before. NO DATE.

Best thing Kosovo delegation should do now is to stop wasting our time and say to Serbia that give us a call after you've recognised Kosovo.
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I don't normally agree with Albanians here but I agree with this one.
You should totally do this.

@(Dardania-USAlbania, 8 May 2013 17:31)
Best thing Kosovo delegation should do now is to stop wasting our time and say to Serbia that give us a call after you've recognised Kosovo. Untill then is total waste of time to talk with serbia. History has proven this.

Yes, and that was a real goal? Please, the failure of negotiations is not an achievement, it is better to talk few times more than to cancel the agreement with the sentence: "The other side is responsible for failure of the dialogue!". This is not a game, what is signed must be implemented! Serbia will never recognize Kosovo as a state, their political position must be respected, Kosovo leaders should not expect such a reversal in which Serbia would recognize their province. What is important is that the agreement, which will be of mutual interest, be achieved!

The Serbs in North Kosovo have been going on lawless for awhile now. Killing a policeman, setting houses and cars in fire, blocking roads and throwing bombs, fighting with KFOR soldiers and now not listening to their paymaster.

Serbian diplomats have been trying to convince this people but they are not having it, and government still wants to keep their parallel institutions?

Representatives and diplomats Kosovo don't have to sit and agree with you on anything if you're just time waster.

They(arnauts)can not surrender at once...Arnauts have little to say and they must act like they have some space for maneuvering. Accepting all that our state negotiators are requesting would be bad for the image of Kosovo politicians back at home. Now ... if only our side insists on what was then signed Arnauts will have to pull the horns and sign. If they continue acting like they dont wont to play fair,Baroness Ashton will have to push Arnauts for deal.

Paul I think that's a biased view. All EU cares about is stability. They don't want a conflict or war. Most members have realized that stability will not come with Kosova being under Serbia (even nominally). Most also have realized that Serbia will not recognize Kosova at least for a few other generations. So what is left for the EU is to operate within these margins. They can't push either side too much or they'd risk stability and conflicts and that is bad for the EU, for Serbs and for Albanians. So they appease the Serbs, and they appease the Albanians. This appeasement is in the form of money. Both sides get a significant amount of financial help, free of charge from the EU. In return for that they are asked to iron out a few kinks. One side is told that this ironing out doesn't mean you're recognizing; the other side is told these EU deals are proof of your sovereignty. It will be like this for decades. Of course this is not the EU's or US, Russia's or China's fault. It just shows the inability of our two peoples to work collectively together towards a better future. That is why foreigners are involved. It brings out the deep levels of distrust among our people and the festering anger and hate between us. That is the difference between us (Serbs and Albanians) and Western Europe. The Scandinavian countries for example don't need the EU or NATO to meddle in and solve their differences. Typical balkanian way of doing things, or not doing things, I should say.

Things are looking good for the Serbs again and the crew in charge is beginning to look like they are firing on cylinders again. But mostly because the Albanians walked out.
(Paul, 8 May 2013 23:19)

Paul,

When did the Albanians walk out. Reading comprehension is necessary in order to be able to follow what is going on.

All the pressure to make this agreement work is on Serbs. They have to agree to dismantle first and then work with pristina. That is the deal now and Serbia must realize it. All the pressure is in them. Serbia will be blames for this and no get eu talks.

There is no need for emphasizing that Arnauts are not negotiators, and that all their ideas are achieved through violence instead of through negotiations, so do not expect them beside table in negotiations. What was once reportedly seen as Arnauts success at the table, was in reality purchased concession to the west, and dishonoring of Serbian side. Never in the past, there was no negotiation, it's always been blackmailing and forcing orders to our side...Of course such ease was purchased with money made from criminal clans of Kosovo...

Pristina walked out. If Pristina felt like the agreement signed actually represented their point of view, then they wouldn't have walked out. I'm stunned to hear they walked out. If they really want the letter of the agreement to be implemented, then they should just stick around. Make the Serbs walk out. I think the Albanians have dropped the ball here. They are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Things are looking good for the Serbs again and the crew in charge is beginning to look like they are firing on cylinders again. But mostly because the Albanians walked out.
(Paul, 8 May 2013 23:19)

Paul, word on the street is that Serbia wanted to include decisions about property rights, the church etc. during the implementation phase. These were not part of the agreement. Obviously a stalling tactic from them. It gives them time to calm down their own hotheads in the north. As a result of this, implementation talks were stopped and new talks btw Thaci and Dacic were called that will discuss those same exact things: property rights, church, telecommunication. Looking at it this way I wouldn't be surprised if there was a tacit agreement from all sides for the implementation talks to fail so new talks btw Dacic and Thaci could start as a justification of that failure. Implementation will be done behind the curtains.

J, Stavros,

I think we all give the Albanians more credit than they deserve. I think what everyone is beginning to realize -- Albanians included -- is that the Albanians are not fit to negotiate. That they are participating in these negotiations as a learning process. Ashton is holding their hands and trying to make them look dignified and the Serbs are being held to account for everything to further prop up that false dignity. The other problem is that nobody in the EU really wants Serbia as a member. The whole thing is an engine to make the Serbs babysit the Albanians in Kosovo.

Consider the issue of the border between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia. This was a hot problem for a while. What happened? It remains that nobody wants Albanians controlling any border with Serbia. Albanians can't be trusted with their own borders anywhere. It remains that controlling borders is an important part of governing the EU. National accountability is still an issue.

What the Albanians do in Belgium is of no consequence to the negotiations, Ashton will never hold them to account. No matter what the Serbs do, they will always be blamed for anything that goes wrong. Having once realized this, the Serbs will always have the high ground. And once the Serbian public really understands this, then they will better form a unified front. Maybe that is what is happening now.

Best thing Kosovo delegation should do now is to stop wasting our time and say to Serbia that give us a call after you've recognised Kosovo. Untill then is total waste of time to talk with serbia. History has proven this.

Đurić also said that the EC officials "did not have any significant objections" to this plan.


Please, stop speaking on behalf of EC. What is wrong with Serb politicians, that tend to speak for someone else!? Vuk Jeremic used to speak on behalf of other countries when he was lobbying not to recognize Kosova, and the following week the same country recognized Kosova.

Serbia is already violating the agreement. The dismantling of the parallel structures is an integral part of the agreement. Especially the courts which are mentioned in this news are to integrated into the Kosovo structures since stipulated in point 10 of the agreement:

"10. The judicial authorities will be integrated and operate within the Kosovo legal framework. the Appellate Court in Pristina will establish a panel composed of a majority of K/S judges to deal with all Kosovo Serb majority municipalities. A division of the Appellate Court, composed both by administrative staff and judges, will sit permanently in northern Mitrovica (Mitrovica District Court). Each panel of the above division will be composed by a majority of K/S judges. Appropriate judges will sit dependent on the nature of the case involved."

Therefore, to say that the Serb delegation came "with the best intentions, and with the goal that the spirit and letter of the agreement be implemented" can be described as blatant lie.

However, I'm actually not so surprised that the Serb side reacts in that way since they clearly can't get their people in North Kosovo under control. Means that somebody else has to do that and in their way, using all means necessary.

Pristina walked out. If Pristina felt like the agreement signed actually represented their point of view, then they wouldn't have walked out. I'm stunned to hear they walked out. If they really want the letter of the agreement to be implemented, then they should just stick around. Make the Serbs walk out. I think the Albanians have dropped the ball here. They are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Things are looking good for the Serbs again and the crew in charge is beginning to look like they are firing on cylinders again. But mostly because the Albanians walked out.

I wish never had a southern province full of albanians, that way we'd have joined the EU a long time ago...

The Serbs in North Kosovo have been going on lawless for awhile now. Killing a policeman, setting houses and cars in fire, blocking roads and throwing bombs, fighting with KFOR soldiers and now not listening to their paymaster.

Serbian diplomats have been trying to convince this people but they are not having it, and government still wants to keep their parallel institutions?

Representatives and diplomats Kosovo don't have to sit and agree with you on anything if you're just time waster.

They(arnauts)can not surrender at once...Arnauts have little to say and they must act like they have some space for maneuvering. Accepting all that our state negotiators are requesting would be bad for the image of Kosovo politicians back at home. Now ... if only our side insists on what was then signed Arnauts will have to pull the horns and sign. If they continue acting like they dont wont to play fair,Baroness Ashton will have to push Arnauts for deal.

Paul,
I disagree that things are looking good for Serbia.
Serbia has a long history now of agreeing to one thing in Brussels and then changing it once back in Belgrade. It sounds like more of the same thing. This time Brussels did not rush into giving Serbia what they wanted and then wait to see if Serbia does what they said they would do. If implementation does not start, Serbia is back to the square where they were before. NO DATE.

Things are looking good for the Serbs again and the crew in charge is beginning to look like they are firing on cylinders again. But mostly because the Albanians walked out.
(Paul, 8 May 2013 23:19)

Paul,

When did the Albanians walk out. Reading comprehension is necessary in order to be able to follow what is going on.

It was expected that the Albanian side would be less cooperative, because agreement is not well supported and well accepted among Kosovo Albanians. Actually, I think they do not want to start the implementation of the agreement, and will later blame the Serbian side for the obstruction. It is well-tried and repeatedly successful recipe for getting what they want. Serbian team should be very patient and persistent.

@(Dardania-USAlbania, 8 May 2013 17:31)
Best thing Kosovo delegation should do now is to stop wasting our time and say to Serbia that give us a call after you've recognised Kosovo. Untill then is total waste of time to talk with serbia. History has proven this.

Yes, and that was a real goal? Please, the failure of negotiations is not an achievement, it is better to talk few times more than to cancel the agreement with the sentence: "The other side is responsible for failure of the dialogue!". This is not a game, what is signed must be implemented! Serbia will never recognize Kosovo as a state, their political position must be respected, Kosovo leaders should not expect such a reversal in which Serbia would recognize their province. What is important is that the agreement, which will be of mutual interest, be achieved!

All the pressure to make this agreement work is on Serbs. They have to agree to dismantle first and then work with pristina. That is the deal now and Serbia must realize it. All the pressure is in them. Serbia will be blames for this and no get eu talks.

There is no need for emphasizing that Arnauts are not negotiators, and that all their ideas are achieved through violence instead of through negotiations, so do not expect them beside table in negotiations. What was once reportedly seen as Arnauts success at the table, was in reality purchased concession to the west, and dishonoring of Serbian side. Never in the past, there was no negotiation, it's always been blackmailing and forcing orders to our side...Of course such ease was purchased with money made from criminal clans of Kosovo...

Best thing Kosovo delegation should do now is to stop wasting our time and say to Serbia that give us a call after you've recognised Kosovo.
===================================
I don't normally agree with Albanians here but I agree with this one.
You should totally do this.

Pristina walked out. If Pristina felt like the agreement signed actually represented their point of view, then they wouldn't have walked out. I'm stunned to hear they walked out. If they really want the letter of the agreement to be implemented, then they should just stick around. Make the Serbs walk out. I think the Albanians have dropped the ball here. They are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Things are looking good for the Serbs again and the crew in charge is beginning to look like they are firing on cylinders again. But mostly because the Albanians walked out.
(Paul, 8 May 2013 23:19)

Paul, word on the street is that Serbia wanted to include decisions about property rights, the church etc. during the implementation phase. These were not part of the agreement. Obviously a stalling tactic from them. It gives them time to calm down their own hotheads in the north. As a result of this, implementation talks were stopped and new talks btw Thaci and Dacic were called that will discuss those same exact things: property rights, church, telecommunication. Looking at it this way I wouldn't be surprised if there was a tacit agreement from all sides for the implementation talks to fail so new talks btw Dacic and Thaci could start as a justification of that failure. Implementation will be done behind the curtains.

J, Stavros,

I think we all give the Albanians more credit than they deserve. I think what everyone is beginning to realize -- Albanians included -- is that the Albanians are not fit to negotiate. That they are participating in these negotiations as a learning process. Ashton is holding their hands and trying to make them look dignified and the Serbs are being held to account for everything to further prop up that false dignity. The other problem is that nobody in the EU really wants Serbia as a member. The whole thing is an engine to make the Serbs babysit the Albanians in Kosovo.

Consider the issue of the border between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia. This was a hot problem for a while. What happened? It remains that nobody wants Albanians controlling any border with Serbia. Albanians can't be trusted with their own borders anywhere. It remains that controlling borders is an important part of governing the EU. National accountability is still an issue.

What the Albanians do in Belgium is of no consequence to the negotiations, Ashton will never hold them to account. No matter what the Serbs do, they will always be blamed for anything that goes wrong. Having once realized this, the Serbs will always have the high ground. And once the Serbian public really understands this, then they will better form a unified front. Maybe that is what is happening now.

Paul I think that's a biased view. All EU cares about is stability. They don't want a conflict or war. Most members have realized that stability will not come with Kosova being under Serbia (even nominally). Most also have realized that Serbia will not recognize Kosova at least for a few other generations. So what is left for the EU is to operate within these margins. They can't push either side too much or they'd risk stability and conflicts and that is bad for the EU, for Serbs and for Albanians. So they appease the Serbs, and they appease the Albanians. This appeasement is in the form of money. Both sides get a significant amount of financial help, free of charge from the EU. In return for that they are asked to iron out a few kinks. One side is told that this ironing out doesn't mean you're recognizing; the other side is told these EU deals are proof of your sovereignty. It will be like this for decades. Of course this is not the EU's or US, Russia's or China's fault. It just shows the inability of our two peoples to work collectively together towards a better future. That is why foreigners are involved. It brings out the deep levels of distrust among our people and the festering anger and hate between us. That is the difference between us (Serbs and Albanians) and Western Europe. The Scandinavian countries for example don't need the EU or NATO to meddle in and solve their differences. Typical balkanian way of doing things, or not doing things, I should say.