Remains of 56 Serb victims exhumed in Croatian town

.... and Croatia is not keen to let the expelled population come back!!

It has been reported that Croatia still engineers conditions so that return of Serbs is difficult and Croatia deliberately uses financial tricks and penalties to continue the effects of the ethnic cleansing.

The image used is of aggressive Serbs who deserved to be expelled, whereas most of the people driven out were innocent and normal people wanting to live a normal life.

In Kosovo, the Albanians returned. The same should apply to Serbs in Croatia. Both Croatians and Albanians have a history of nasty nationalism - that nationalism is as evil as any other (including Serb).

Time to address this issue more openly I think.

What a surprise! No Lenard and not other non-serbs to condem this horrific crime. Just proves that serbs should not now and not ever reconsile with the animals behind this and other crimes like it. Sending Mladic and Seselj to the Hague is a dissgrace. In not for them we'd have many more grave like this with serbs in them.

krajina to be independent in the future.thats the only solution and all to return to their ancient lands if they wish to return and the ones that do return and claim what is your....

The Hague does a necessary job in reviewing the undesirable behaviour of those two.
(Bob, 8 May 2013 02:07)

Spare is with that crap Bob. The Hague is a proven anti-Serb charade, and those are nothing but political show trials. If the Hague is not a sham run by NATO war criminals, then why did they release butchers like Naser Oric, Gotovina, Haradinaj, and why is organ snatcher Thaci still walking freely? You can't answer that can you?? I know you can't because you're an apologist for the NATO war criminals who supported the German (Fourth Reich) plan to carve up Yugoslavia and give all the bits to their old nazi allies.
You're an American, and don't you lecture anyone about 'warmongering', you are the biggest warmongers on the planet, and your leaders are guilty of war crimes in every corner of the world. Serbia never attacked anyone, never went outside their borders, and simply tried to protect their people from neofascist nazi puppets whom you supported. For that, they were attacked by your beloved war criminals! That's the cold hard truth, deal with it.

Cheers!!

"It has been reported that Croatia still engineers conditions so that return of Serbs is difficult and Croatia deliberately uses financial tricks and penalties to continue the effects of the ethnic cleansing."


This is true.

Also, they use tricks with personal documents to both keep people away and beef up their stats that people are returning.

Renew your Croatian documents in Serbia? Ok, here is is, but you loose your residency in Croatia.

Renew your Croatian documents in your hometown in Croatia? See? people are returning.

Fifty six human beings found in a mass grave yet no comments from the so-called loud-mouth "humanitarians" who spew their anti-Serb rants here.

Your silence, because these fifty six human beings are of Serbian ethnicity, speaks loudly of your hypocrisy.

Do you think croats,germans,austrians,hungarians,the vatican and others care about these victims?What about the thousands and thousands of other Serb and Roma men,women and children murdered by these EVIL BASTARDS! Wake up!

2000 Serbs killed/died during Operation Storm? Where do these numbers come from? Not the widely accepted number of around 600. Good old fashioned Eastern European propaganda from the days of WW2 continues.

Bob,

Ok so you finaly admit that the Hague is not fair. That's progress!! The next step, Bob, is to admit that Wesley Clark, Madeline Albright, Bill Clintonliar, are war criminals who need to be tried for illegaly bombing Serbia for 78 days.
As for where I'm from, born in Serbia raised in Canada Bob. I have nothing against China, they have done nothing bad to Serbia and have been very supportive - more than I can say for you and your yankee war criminal friends in the state department. You guys are TRUE war criminals, and I'm sure you'll all burn in hell for you war crimes against the small, proud, and independent minded nation of Serbia. The fact that you people can even sleep at night after your support of genocide against Serbs tells me that you have no conscience.

Cheers!!

To MikeC

I disagree with your weak logic. My politics is based on ordinary people leading ordinary lives. It is not based on nasty nationalism and the actions of dangerous idiots like Mladic and Seselj.

The Hague does a necessary job in reviewing the undesirable behaviour of those two. You may not like it - but that is good because it is your beliefs that justify nationalistic violence that are being stamped on too.

Serbs should return to Croatia - but at a human level that has nothing to do with Mladic and Seselj or with any who indulge in nationalist warmongering. Be they Serb or Croatian.

Bob (No 1)

@Bob
'I am glad it is there to counter the evils of nasty nationalism that dragged Serbia into the pit it is now wanting to climb out of.'

Yes it countered the nazi Croat nationalists by releasing Gotovina and convinced that sick nation that the Krajina Serbs ethnicaly cleansed themselves. Same goes for the release of Naser Oric to try to convince Bosnian muslims that when he butchered 3000 Serb civilians it was 'humanitarian' work.

'If the US messed you about, it was because the politics of Milosevic were such rubbish that there was a decision to stamp on him in every way possible.'

How is dropping cluster bombs on open markets, poisoning the soil of Serbia with depleted uranium, murdering janitors and technicians in the RTS building, bombing civilian trains, bombing power plants, bombing cigarette factories....how is that 'stamping on Milosevic'? Those are blatant war crimes against Serbian civilians. It's truly scary that people as obtuse as you were driving foreign policy, no wonder the Balkans is such a mess and the US is bankrupt. Why didn't you 'stamp on' the neo-nazi Tudjman? Or the terrorist KLA organ snatchers? Or the islamist Izetbegovic? You're an incompetent ignorant. You've got blood on your hands, I don't.

'I don't need your 'cheers' either.
(Bob, 8 May 2013 22:57)'

Cheers!!

Dragan

I put Tudjman in the same bucket of rubbish that contains Milosevic, Mladic, etc..

(Bob, 9 May 2013 20:04)

Of course you do, because that's what ignorant people do. Tudjman was actually a Nazi in his beliefs, whereas Slobo was just a typical communist who preached 'brotherhood and unity' - big difference.

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php?topic=42139.0
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/tudjman-cashes-in-on-nazi-past-1435998.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/31/world/pro-nazi-rulers-legacy-still-lingers-for-croatia.html

And even if you consider Tudjman somehow 'equal' to Slobo, then why didn't you bomb the hell out of Croatia for 78 days around the clock you hypocrite? No, you didn't did you? In FACT, you armed the Croat extremists, you provided air support to their butchers, and Operation Storm was US sponsored genocide.
It's too easy Bob, it's too easy ripping apart you and your colleagues' BS arguments. Keep trying though, even though you don't have a truth and justice on your side like I do. I'd love to have a battle of wits with you, but that would leave you unarmed.

Cheers!!! (and kiss my Serbian a%$)

In Kosovo, the Albanians returned. The same should apply to Serbs in Croatia. Both Croatians and Albanians have a history of nasty nationalism - that nationalism is as evil as any other (including Serb).

Time to address this issue more openly I think.
(Bob, 7 May 2013 19:23)

Bob,

Don't you think this is a case of sour grapes.

Dragan

You keep making assumptions about me - I won't answer them. Neither did I make any judgement for or against The Hague other than that I am glad it is there to counter the evils of nasty nationalism that dragged Serbia into the pit it is now wanting to climb out of.

Your comments show a complete disregard for the actual politics of Serbia for the years when everything was dragged in the mire. My comments are drawn from some personal experience of people from Krajina arriving at the Red Cross looking for missing relatives or needing clothes to stand up in.

If the US messed you about, it was because the politics of Milosevic were such rubbish that there was a decision to stamp on him in every way possible. What was wrong with the politics of Serbia of that era was that it was good at making enemies and a total failure at making friends.

I don't need your 'cheers' either.

Bob,

More garbage from you which is not backed up by any facts and doesn't address any of my main points. I'll ask you again since you and your criminal warmongering friends in the state department have Serbian blood on your hands:

Why didn't you 'stamp on' the neo-nazi Tudjman? Or the terrorist KLA organ snatchers? Or the islamist Izetbegovic?

I'm waiting for an answer.

Cheers!!!

Dragan

I don't care about The Hague - just about the ordinary people who suffered because of the idiots previously referred to.

While Serbs whine about The Hague, the rest of the world gets the message that Sebia still is supported by the kinds of nasty nationalists that will no longer be tolerated. Tough luck on them that they are being stamped on by the UN empowered Hague. Whoever said that it had to be fair?

By the way, where are you from? China?

Dragan

I put Tudjman in the same bucket of rubbish that contains Milosevic, Mladic, etc..

Nothing that others have done makes their (or your) evils right.

The whole region degenerated sadly and was allowed to go its own wy for three years before international intervention.

.....and international intervention is still stopping possible murder.

The intervention could have been done better, but was called for - given the terrible state of things.

By the way, I very much support Serbia as my top priority - I just don't want the country back in the mess we lived through in the 90s or back in the hands of those awful destructive, selfish, insular and nasty nationalists who hadn't got a clue about how to do well in international politics and who used criminal Mafiosi means to finance their grip on power. They didn't love Serbia, they loved their pockets.

I note too your insulting lack of self control.

End of conversation. Bye.

Dragan

Your point of view is very selective and is more at the level of clutching at a few available straws than making a convincing case. You miss the fundamental point that It was Milosevic who chose a provocative and law breaking political path, and Serbia has been stamped on because of that stupidity. That violent path will not be rewarded as a matter of international policy. Whether you like it or not.

Please don't greet me with your false bonhomie. I don't want it, so please control yourself.

That said, I don't like what Croatia did to ordinary people, and this post was about the effects on them and not about the dangerous idiots you are eager to keep out of the jails where they probably (almost certainly) deserve to be.

Dragan

Sad man. Your choice of language is of the gutter.

You certainly lack the wit you would wish you could use.

I am a Serb in the States (I had to come with my parents, I want to go home) From here, I am so disgusted to constantly read about atrocities againt Serbs, the world does not seem to care about us, and the West is to blame although people here only consider Serbia a failed state if they think about it at all. Do no join EU- from what I know in the US of Propaganda , i warn you, please, DO NOT JOIN!!!

2000 Serbs killed/died during Operation Storm? Where do these numbers come from? Not the widely accepted number of around 600. Good old fashioned Eastern European propaganda from the days of WW2 continues.

In Kosovo, the Albanians returned. The same should apply to Serbs in Croatia. Both Croatians and Albanians have a history of nasty nationalism - that nationalism is as evil as any other (including Serb).

Time to address this issue more openly I think.
(Bob, 7 May 2013 19:23)

Bob,

Don't you think this is a case of sour grapes.

Dragan

I don't care about The Hague - just about the ordinary people who suffered because of the idiots previously referred to.

While Serbs whine about The Hague, the rest of the world gets the message that Sebia still is supported by the kinds of nasty nationalists that will no longer be tolerated. Tough luck on them that they are being stamped on by the UN empowered Hague. Whoever said that it had to be fair?

By the way, where are you from? China?

Dragan

You keep making assumptions about me - I won't answer them. Neither did I make any judgement for or against The Hague other than that I am glad it is there to counter the evils of nasty nationalism that dragged Serbia into the pit it is now wanting to climb out of.

Your comments show a complete disregard for the actual politics of Serbia for the years when everything was dragged in the mire. My comments are drawn from some personal experience of people from Krajina arriving at the Red Cross looking for missing relatives or needing clothes to stand up in.

If the US messed you about, it was because the politics of Milosevic were such rubbish that there was a decision to stamp on him in every way possible. What was wrong with the politics of Serbia of that era was that it was good at making enemies and a total failure at making friends.

I don't need your 'cheers' either.

What a surprise! No Lenard and not other non-serbs to condem this horrific crime. Just proves that serbs should not now and not ever reconsile with the animals behind this and other crimes like it. Sending Mladic and Seselj to the Hague is a dissgrace. In not for them we'd have many more grave like this with serbs in them.

.... and Croatia is not keen to let the expelled population come back!!

It has been reported that Croatia still engineers conditions so that return of Serbs is difficult and Croatia deliberately uses financial tricks and penalties to continue the effects of the ethnic cleansing.

The image used is of aggressive Serbs who deserved to be expelled, whereas most of the people driven out were innocent and normal people wanting to live a normal life.

In Kosovo, the Albanians returned. The same should apply to Serbs in Croatia. Both Croatians and Albanians have a history of nasty nationalism - that nationalism is as evil as any other (including Serb).

Time to address this issue more openly I think.

krajina to be independent in the future.thats the only solution and all to return to their ancient lands if they wish to return and the ones that do return and claim what is your....

To MikeC

I disagree with your weak logic. My politics is based on ordinary people leading ordinary lives. It is not based on nasty nationalism and the actions of dangerous idiots like Mladic and Seselj.

The Hague does a necessary job in reviewing the undesirable behaviour of those two. You may not like it - but that is good because it is your beliefs that justify nationalistic violence that are being stamped on too.

Serbs should return to Croatia - but at a human level that has nothing to do with Mladic and Seselj or with any who indulge in nationalist warmongering. Be they Serb or Croatian.

Bob (No 1)

The Hague does a necessary job in reviewing the undesirable behaviour of those two.
(Bob, 8 May 2013 02:07)

Spare is with that crap Bob. The Hague is a proven anti-Serb charade, and those are nothing but political show trials. If the Hague is not a sham run by NATO war criminals, then why did they release butchers like Naser Oric, Gotovina, Haradinaj, and why is organ snatcher Thaci still walking freely? You can't answer that can you?? I know you can't because you're an apologist for the NATO war criminals who supported the German (Fourth Reich) plan to carve up Yugoslavia and give all the bits to their old nazi allies.
You're an American, and don't you lecture anyone about 'warmongering', you are the biggest warmongers on the planet, and your leaders are guilty of war crimes in every corner of the world. Serbia never attacked anyone, never went outside their borders, and simply tried to protect their people from neofascist nazi puppets whom you supported. For that, they were attacked by your beloved war criminals! That's the cold hard truth, deal with it.

Cheers!!

"It has been reported that Croatia still engineers conditions so that return of Serbs is difficult and Croatia deliberately uses financial tricks and penalties to continue the effects of the ethnic cleansing."


This is true.

Also, they use tricks with personal documents to both keep people away and beef up their stats that people are returning.

Renew your Croatian documents in Serbia? Ok, here is is, but you loose your residency in Croatia.

Renew your Croatian documents in your hometown in Croatia? See? people are returning.

Do you think croats,germans,austrians,hungarians,the vatican and others care about these victims?What about the thousands and thousands of other Serb and Roma men,women and children murdered by these EVIL BASTARDS! Wake up!

Dragan

Your point of view is very selective and is more at the level of clutching at a few available straws than making a convincing case. You miss the fundamental point that It was Milosevic who chose a provocative and law breaking political path, and Serbia has been stamped on because of that stupidity. That violent path will not be rewarded as a matter of international policy. Whether you like it or not.

Please don't greet me with your false bonhomie. I don't want it, so please control yourself.

That said, I don't like what Croatia did to ordinary people, and this post was about the effects on them and not about the dangerous idiots you are eager to keep out of the jails where they probably (almost certainly) deserve to be.

Dragan

I put Tudjman in the same bucket of rubbish that contains Milosevic, Mladic, etc..

Nothing that others have done makes their (or your) evils right.

The whole region degenerated sadly and was allowed to go its own wy for three years before international intervention.

.....and international intervention is still stopping possible murder.

The intervention could have been done better, but was called for - given the terrible state of things.

By the way, I very much support Serbia as my top priority - I just don't want the country back in the mess we lived through in the 90s or back in the hands of those awful destructive, selfish, insular and nasty nationalists who hadn't got a clue about how to do well in international politics and who used criminal Mafiosi means to finance their grip on power. They didn't love Serbia, they loved their pockets.

I note too your insulting lack of self control.

End of conversation. Bye.

Fifty six human beings found in a mass grave yet no comments from the so-called loud-mouth "humanitarians" who spew their anti-Serb rants here.

Your silence, because these fifty six human beings are of Serbian ethnicity, speaks loudly of your hypocrisy.

Bob,

Ok so you finaly admit that the Hague is not fair. That's progress!! The next step, Bob, is to admit that Wesley Clark, Madeline Albright, Bill Clintonliar, are war criminals who need to be tried for illegaly bombing Serbia for 78 days.
As for where I'm from, born in Serbia raised in Canada Bob. I have nothing against China, they have done nothing bad to Serbia and have been very supportive - more than I can say for you and your yankee war criminal friends in the state department. You guys are TRUE war criminals, and I'm sure you'll all burn in hell for you war crimes against the small, proud, and independent minded nation of Serbia. The fact that you people can even sleep at night after your support of genocide against Serbs tells me that you have no conscience.

Cheers!!

@Bob
'I am glad it is there to counter the evils of nasty nationalism that dragged Serbia into the pit it is now wanting to climb out of.'

Yes it countered the nazi Croat nationalists by releasing Gotovina and convinced that sick nation that the Krajina Serbs ethnicaly cleansed themselves. Same goes for the release of Naser Oric to try to convince Bosnian muslims that when he butchered 3000 Serb civilians it was 'humanitarian' work.

'If the US messed you about, it was because the politics of Milosevic were such rubbish that there was a decision to stamp on him in every way possible.'

How is dropping cluster bombs on open markets, poisoning the soil of Serbia with depleted uranium, murdering janitors and technicians in the RTS building, bombing civilian trains, bombing power plants, bombing cigarette factories....how is that 'stamping on Milosevic'? Those are blatant war crimes against Serbian civilians. It's truly scary that people as obtuse as you were driving foreign policy, no wonder the Balkans is such a mess and the US is bankrupt. Why didn't you 'stamp on' the neo-nazi Tudjman? Or the terrorist KLA organ snatchers? Or the islamist Izetbegovic? You're an incompetent ignorant. You've got blood on your hands, I don't.

'I don't need your 'cheers' either.
(Bob, 8 May 2013 22:57)'

Cheers!!

Bob,

More garbage from you which is not backed up by any facts and doesn't address any of my main points. I'll ask you again since you and your criminal warmongering friends in the state department have Serbian blood on your hands:

Why didn't you 'stamp on' the neo-nazi Tudjman? Or the terrorist KLA organ snatchers? Or the islamist Izetbegovic?

I'm waiting for an answer.

Cheers!!!

Dragan

I put Tudjman in the same bucket of rubbish that contains Milosevic, Mladic, etc..

(Bob, 9 May 2013 20:04)

Of course you do, because that's what ignorant people do. Tudjman was actually a Nazi in his beliefs, whereas Slobo was just a typical communist who preached 'brotherhood and unity' - big difference.

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php?topic=42139.0
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/tudjman-cashes-in-on-nazi-past-1435998.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/31/world/pro-nazi-rulers-legacy-still-lingers-for-croatia.html

And even if you consider Tudjman somehow 'equal' to Slobo, then why didn't you bomb the hell out of Croatia for 78 days around the clock you hypocrite? No, you didn't did you? In FACT, you armed the Croat extremists, you provided air support to their butchers, and Operation Storm was US sponsored genocide.
It's too easy Bob, it's too easy ripping apart you and your colleagues' BS arguments. Keep trying though, even though you don't have a truth and justice on your side like I do. I'd love to have a battle of wits with you, but that would leave you unarmed.

Cheers!!! (and kiss my Serbian a%$)

Dragan

Sad man. Your choice of language is of the gutter.

You certainly lack the wit you would wish you could use.

I am a Serb in the States (I had to come with my parents, I want to go home) From here, I am so disgusted to constantly read about atrocities againt Serbs, the world does not seem to care about us, and the West is to blame although people here only consider Serbia a failed state if they think about it at all. Do no join EU- from what I know in the US of Propaganda , i warn you, please, DO NOT JOIN!!!