“Only talks, deals guarantee Serbs’ survival in Kosovo”

There is no other way to guarantee survival and prosperity of the Serbian people in Kosovo except through talks and agreements, Milovan Drecun told B92.
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So exactly where are the talks and agreements? All I can see are ultimatums and threats. Why not let the Serbian people decide so if we reject the ultimatum then we will accept the consequences. In fact, I'd say we will get a better deal as a result.

Shouldn't NATO as occupational force guarantee Serbs’ survival in Kosovo according to international law?

icj1,

1. How could KSerbs declare independence from Kosovo* if they don't recognize Kosovo* (just like Serbia doesn't).

2. Let's suppose just in the sake of argument that KSerbs do declare independence from Kosovo*, what does it change? Which occupational force would recognize it? US? Germany? Great Britain? No chances.

“The fact that Priština will enter newborn Serb children into their birth records and give them citizenship and nationality of Kosovo does not mean anything to us, we will have our own birth records, for example in northern Kosovo, where we will register newborn children and give them the Republic of Serbia’s citizenship,” Drecun added.

Wow, now we find out that newborn Serbs will be registered as citizens of Kosovo, and their records held in Kosovo institutions? Oh, I almost forgot, Serbia will also issue them Serbian citizenship, but there is 1 problem here, I was raised & educated to believe that Kosovo, was Serbia!

He stressed that everything was being done in accordance with the so-called “double key” principle where Serbia respected
the reality of the self-proclaimed state but without recognition.

Double key principle? Respecting the self proclaimed state, but without recognition?
That is recognition you idiots! Yes, you are not verbally stating it, but you are supporting & accepting it in a indirect way, which will further legitimize this so called republic of Kosovo! This policy, will directly lead to more international recognitions of the illegal NATO & EU creation, called Kosovo. I thought the government of Boris Tadic was destructive to Serbia's cause, but this policy by this current government is beyond destructive, for Serbia retaining any-kind of sovereignty over Kosovo, it is oblivion.
The "DSS" must demand a immediate "REFERENDUM " NOW!

1. How could KSerbs declare independence from Kosovo* if they don't recognize Kosovo* (just like Serbia doesn't).
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 13:12)

They don't have to. Only if they don't want to do anything with Pristina, they have to declare independence from Kosovo*. Note that this has nothing to do whether they recognize Kosovo*'s independence or not. Even if Kosovo* is a Serbian province according to Serbia's Constitution, North Kosovo would still be governed by Pristina, unless North Kosovo declares independence from Kosovo*.
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2. Let's suppose just in the sake of argument that KSerbs do declare independence from Kosovo*, what does it change? Which occupational force would recognize it? US? Germany? Great Britain? No chances.
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 13:12)

I'm not aware of any occupational forces, other than NATO which has been sent there by Russia and China with UNSCR 1244. And, in any case, the CE of B92 forums sj had already ruled that NATO, US, Germany, GB, etc... are all p.... and wind and have collapsed and are certainly no match for the heroic Serbs. The only recognitions that matter are those of superpowers like China and Russia and since Serbs are China and Russia's top national priority, they will certainly recognize immediately the independence of North Kosovo.

Everything he says makes perfect sense!

I was raised & educated to believe that Kosovo, was Serbia!
(Triva, 5 May 2013 15:07)

I know Triva, I feel you, bad education is a problem in many parts of the world, Balkans included. Hopefully, with the entrance in the EU the education system in Serbia will improve raise and educate kids to at least believe in reality.

“Only talks, deals guarantee Serbs’ survival in Kosovo”

Wrong again Mister. Only CCCC guarantees Serb survival, wether it be in Kosovo or any other place on the Balkans!

Here we have somebody telling us that "parallel institutions" are a part of the agreement. That's just nuts. Nobody believes that Serbian government institutions are going to exist side by side with Albanian government instituions. This guy is just babbling.

"I'm not aware of any occupational forces, other than NATO which has been sent there by Russia and China with UNSCR 1244. "
(icj1, 5 May 2013 15:05)

No, UNSCR1244 sent KFOR. Strange that Serbs and Albanians confuse NATO with KFOR. It's so simple: Do some googling, or check Wikipedia, or the official KFOR website, and you will easily find out that most soldiers come from NATO states, but there are some 100s that don't.

1. How could KSerbs declare independence from Kosovo* if they don't recognize Kosovo* (just like Serbia doesn't).
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 13:12)

They don't have to. Only if they don't want to do anything with Pristina, they have to declare independence from Kosovo*. Note that this has nothing to do whether they recognize Kosovo*'s independence or not. Even if Kosovo* is a Serbian province according to Serbia's Constitution, North Kosovo would still be governed by Pristina, unless North Kosovo declares independence from Kosovo*.
(icj1)

It isn't called declaration of independence, probably you mean that KSerbs could appeal to Serbian authority to change their administrative region - something like "we don't want to belong to Kosovo province any longer, we want to join other administrative region ot form our own one".

(Comm. Parrisson, 5 May 2013 21:24
You are right Kfor and NATO are not the same. UNSC Res 1244 says only that the military presence have substantial NATO involvement but at its creation it was decided that the commander of Kfor would always be from a NATO alliance country, the main reason Russia chose to withdraw participation.

Sandy

(Reader, 5 May 2013 16:36)
You must be kidding! If Serbia has bad education why do other counties, EU and USA, import our “uneducated” people in such a big number? And EU education system can teach our kids to believe only in reality shows, so no thank you. If you continue to read comic books rather then serious literature, your perception of reality will be seriously damaged.

It isn't called declaration of independence, probably you mean that KSerbs could appeal to Serbian authority to change their administrative region - something like "we don't want to belong to Kosovo province any longer, we want to join other administrative region ot form our own one".
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 18:11)

I think you meant to appeal to the UNSC about the above, because it is the UNSCR 1244 that governs Kosovo, not the Serbian authority...

Sure, whether you call it declaration of independece or appeal, the fact remains that they have not done it.

No, UNSCR1244 sent KFOR. Strange that Serbs and Albanians confuse NATO with KFOR. It's so simple: Do some googling, or check Wikipedia, or the official KFOR website, and you will easily find out that most soldiers come from NATO states, but there are some 100s that don't.
(Comm. Parrisson, 5 May 2013 21:24)

I did not say that forces in addition to NATO were not sent and that was of course allowed by UNSCR 1244... But NATO is the only one that is specifically sent by Russia and China via UNSCR 1244 where they wrote that an international security presence with substantial NATO participation must be deployed.

Shouldn't NATO as occupational force guarantee Serbs’ survival in Kosovo according to international law?

Everything he says makes perfect sense!

icj1,

1. How could KSerbs declare independence from Kosovo* if they don't recognize Kosovo* (just like Serbia doesn't).

2. Let's suppose just in the sake of argument that KSerbs do declare independence from Kosovo*, what does it change? Which occupational force would recognize it? US? Germany? Great Britain? No chances.

1. How could KSerbs declare independence from Kosovo* if they don't recognize Kosovo* (just like Serbia doesn't).
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 13:12)

They don't have to. Only if they don't want to do anything with Pristina, they have to declare independence from Kosovo*. Note that this has nothing to do whether they recognize Kosovo*'s independence or not. Even if Kosovo* is a Serbian province according to Serbia's Constitution, North Kosovo would still be governed by Pristina, unless North Kosovo declares independence from Kosovo*.
----------

2. Let's suppose just in the sake of argument that KSerbs do declare independence from Kosovo*, what does it change? Which occupational force would recognize it? US? Germany? Great Britain? No chances.
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 13:12)

I'm not aware of any occupational forces, other than NATO which has been sent there by Russia and China with UNSCR 1244. And, in any case, the CE of B92 forums sj had already ruled that NATO, US, Germany, GB, etc... are all p.... and wind and have collapsed and are certainly no match for the heroic Serbs. The only recognitions that matter are those of superpowers like China and Russia and since Serbs are China and Russia's top national priority, they will certainly recognize immediately the independence of North Kosovo.

“The fact that Priština will enter newborn Serb children into their birth records and give them citizenship and nationality of Kosovo does not mean anything to us, we will have our own birth records, for example in northern Kosovo, where we will register newborn children and give them the Republic of Serbia’s citizenship,” Drecun added.

Wow, now we find out that newborn Serbs will be registered as citizens of Kosovo, and their records held in Kosovo institutions? Oh, I almost forgot, Serbia will also issue them Serbian citizenship, but there is 1 problem here, I was raised & educated to believe that Kosovo, was Serbia!

He stressed that everything was being done in accordance with the so-called “double key” principle where Serbia respected
the reality of the self-proclaimed state but without recognition.

Double key principle? Respecting the self proclaimed state, but without recognition?
That is recognition you idiots! Yes, you are not verbally stating it, but you are supporting & accepting it in a indirect way, which will further legitimize this so called republic of Kosovo! This policy, will directly lead to more international recognitions of the illegal NATO & EU creation, called Kosovo. I thought the government of Boris Tadic was destructive to Serbia's cause, but this policy by this current government is beyond destructive, for Serbia retaining any-kind of sovereignty over Kosovo, it is oblivion.
The "DSS" must demand a immediate "REFERENDUM " NOW!

I was raised & educated to believe that Kosovo, was Serbia!
(Triva, 5 May 2013 15:07)

I know Triva, I feel you, bad education is a problem in many parts of the world, Balkans included. Hopefully, with the entrance in the EU the education system in Serbia will improve raise and educate kids to at least believe in reality.

There is no other way to guarantee survival and prosperity of the Serbian people in Kosovo except through talks and agreements, Milovan Drecun told B92.
--
So exactly where are the talks and agreements? All I can see are ultimatums and threats. Why not let the Serbian people decide so if we reject the ultimatum then we will accept the consequences. In fact, I'd say we will get a better deal as a result.

“Only talks, deals guarantee Serbs’ survival in Kosovo”

Wrong again Mister. Only CCCC guarantees Serb survival, wether it be in Kosovo or any other place on the Balkans!

1. How could KSerbs declare independence from Kosovo* if they don't recognize Kosovo* (just like Serbia doesn't).
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 13:12)

They don't have to. Only if they don't want to do anything with Pristina, they have to declare independence from Kosovo*. Note that this has nothing to do whether they recognize Kosovo*'s independence or not. Even if Kosovo* is a Serbian province according to Serbia's Constitution, North Kosovo would still be governed by Pristina, unless North Kosovo declares independence from Kosovo*.
(icj1)

It isn't called declaration of independence, probably you mean that KSerbs could appeal to Serbian authority to change their administrative region - something like "we don't want to belong to Kosovo province any longer, we want to join other administrative region ot form our own one".

Here we have somebody telling us that "parallel institutions" are a part of the agreement. That's just nuts. Nobody believes that Serbian government institutions are going to exist side by side with Albanian government instituions. This guy is just babbling.

Sandy

(Reader, 5 May 2013 16:36)
You must be kidding! If Serbia has bad education why do other counties, EU and USA, import our “uneducated” people in such a big number? And EU education system can teach our kids to believe only in reality shows, so no thank you. If you continue to read comic books rather then serious literature, your perception of reality will be seriously damaged.

"I'm not aware of any occupational forces, other than NATO which has been sent there by Russia and China with UNSCR 1244. "
(icj1, 5 May 2013 15:05)

No, UNSCR1244 sent KFOR. Strange that Serbs and Albanians confuse NATO with KFOR. It's so simple: Do some googling, or check Wikipedia, or the official KFOR website, and you will easily find out that most soldiers come from NATO states, but there are some 100s that don't.

It isn't called declaration of independence, probably you mean that KSerbs could appeal to Serbian authority to change their administrative region - something like "we don't want to belong to Kosovo province any longer, we want to join other administrative region ot form our own one".
(aaayyy, 5 May 2013 18:11)

I think you meant to appeal to the UNSC about the above, because it is the UNSCR 1244 that governs Kosovo, not the Serbian authority...

Sure, whether you call it declaration of independece or appeal, the fact remains that they have not done it.

No, UNSCR1244 sent KFOR. Strange that Serbs and Albanians confuse NATO with KFOR. It's so simple: Do some googling, or check Wikipedia, or the official KFOR website, and you will easily find out that most soldiers come from NATO states, but there are some 100s that don't.
(Comm. Parrisson, 5 May 2013 21:24)

I did not say that forces in addition to NATO were not sent and that was of course allowed by UNSCR 1244... But NATO is the only one that is specifically sent by Russia and China via UNSCR 1244 where they wrote that an international security presence with substantial NATO participation must be deployed.

(Comm. Parrisson, 5 May 2013 21:24
You are right Kfor and NATO are not the same. UNSC Res 1244 says only that the military presence have substantial NATO involvement but at its creation it was decided that the commander of Kfor would always be from a NATO alliance country, the main reason Russia chose to withdraw participation.