Autonomy is acceptable, statehood isn’t, patriarch says

Zoran go get a job seriously! you are 24/7 on this website, stop wasting your time!

This Patriarch is disgrace to the church and to whom believes in God!

Not much to say. SPC constant interference into politics is well-known. It is also one of the reasons why SPC is a target in Kosovo. What is worth mentioning, however, is the s***storm coming from Serbian commentators on the Serbian version of B92, attacking SPC. Some excerpts: "Who gave you the mandate?" "Don't you have not even a little bit shame to stop interfering in politics, not even on Easter?"

Irinej just deserves life-time ban from Kosovo and that's it. Chapter closed..

It is Easter and this person is sappose to be a spiritual leader??????

there there

So the Serbs in KiM reject the ultimatum. The Serbian Orthodox church rejects it and the majority of Serbs also reject it. However, we have our little dictatorship attempting to force something that will not be tolerated.

Looks like the time for reckoning is coming soon. Hope our Albanian friends have their Nike/Adidas tracksuits and runners all ready for the long journey home. The Balkans needs lasting peace. The EU, US and Albanians have failed to deliver it. Too bad!

The Hague charged the Serbian Govenment of the 1990's with OPERATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

WAR CRIMES

CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

GENOCIDE

Let me guess "holy man" you was actually "DEFENDING KOSOVA" ..........

YOUR WORDS HAVE TOO MANY WHOLES IN THEM.

What happened to peace and promoting reconciliation?

Since you're into ploitics why can't the majority rule?

So what you are saying is that all those who don't agree with you albs deserv to be targeted?
(MikeC, 4 May 2013 14:33)

There is no other religious institution in the Balkans or Europe which interferes so much in politics than the SPC. For THAT, it deserves what it gets

He said that his churches stand has been clear since the early 90's!!! That means he still fully supports the Milosevic policies and everything that was done through this dad part of Serbia!s history. Shake on thin man. We do and will not tolerate people and believes like his in Europe or the EU. He places himself and his church in a corner where they simply are outside of anything Europe stands for.

Between this guy and Zurkolic I don't know which sounds more stupid!

The state should start treating this organization like a political lobby group for tax purposes

"Autonomy is acceptable, statehood isn’t, patriarch says"

Acceptable for whom ? God ?

Keep in mind people. This guy believes in imaginary stories.

well, yes,they are "european values" - but from the 19th century, the worst of the 19th century values... what a "religion"!

So the Serbs in KiM reject the ultimatum. The Serbian Orthodox church rejects it and the majority of Serbs also reject it. However, we have our little dictatorship attempting to force something that will not be tolerated.
(Zoran, 4 May 2013 13:06)

The "Serbs in KiM" are not elected by the majority of the Serbs to represent them. The "Serbian Orthodox church" also is not elected by the majority of the Serbs to represent them. However, the "little dictatorship" is elected by the majority of the Serbs to represent them...

"Even a self hating Serb would not say this about his Orthodox church."


Hey Peggy. Thanks for your regular indications that you really don't know much about today's Serbia :)

(azir, 4 May 2013 13:42)

Yes the temple of western justice, the Hague Tribunal where Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians went into a revolving door while the Serbs were tried for crimes against humanity. Perhaps some US military might be tried for their abuses in Iraq like Abu Grahib prison? Of course not they committed them in a shroud of democracy, humanity and freedom. That’s different.
I believe that majority should rule and we should ask the whole of Serbia if Kosovo should be independent. Considering it’s a province of Serbia surely you don’t object to democratic principles or do you believe is selected democracy like your US, only when it suits you?

John aka Burim

So what you are saying is that all those who don't agree with you albs deserv to be targeted? You are just a horrible bunch of individuals.

Sj I am not sure if you noticed but your leadership has taken on the responsibilty of permanently solving the Kosova issue by recognizing Kosovars have AUTHORITY over all of KOSOVA.

ALSO your PM Dacic confessed that "Kosova is Serbia" mantra to be classic case of fraud.

While the Balkans strives to prosper in the EU you can continue living in the past and it will get you absolutely no where Good luck with celebrateing lost battles.
And that too was mentioned as Serb bad habit by Dacic........

Perhaps some US military might be tried for their abuses in Iraq like Abu Grahib prison?
(sj, 4 May 2013 14:26)

That's done already so you must happy.
----------

I believe that majority should rule and we should ask the whole of Serbia if Kosovo should be independent.
(sj, 4 May 2013 14:26)

Please feel free to do that. Hopefully you convince Vojislav this time that the whole of Serbia should vote not like he did in 2006 when he excluded part of Serbia.

Hell is not only for those that committ evil but also for those that support evil.

"Zoran go get a job seriously! you are 24/7 on this website, stop wasting your time!"

Mark

You kidding me or what? 9 out of 10 comments are from albanians. Albanians who even use 5-6 different names. If you have time for that then there is no way in hell you have a job. Then again albanians are not known to be a working people. Wellfare receivers is what you are and always will be.

"his Orthodox church."

MY orthodox church? Screw that. I was baptized as an infant. It's not MY church.

Zoran go get a job seriously! you are 24/7 on this website, stop wasting your time!
(Mark, 4 May 2013 13:38)
===========================
You must be on this website just as often to know this.
Is he too much competition for you? Can't you use reason and argument to dismiss his posts or do you have to resort to trying to run him off in order to have a chance?
Now be a good boy and goto your own news site and stop polluting ours.

The state should start treating this organization like a political lobby group for tax purposes
(Danilo, 4 May 2013 14:12)
===========================

Mr Albanian, please start being honest about who you really are so that we can start taking you just a little bit seriously.
Even a self hating Serb would not say this about his Orthodox church.

This Patriarch is disgrace to the church and to whom believes in God!
(gjon fusha, 4 May 2013 15:33)

Albanians commenting on Serbian Church and God. LOL, The next thing they'll be commenting is on proper behavior in a Serbian cemetery.

Acceptable for whom ? God ?
(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:30)
===…==
Yep.

BTW, silly question deserves a silly answer.
(Peggy, 5 May 2013 09:39)

Not sure what's silly about it! Mr. Gavrilovic is the representative of God, isn't him ? I hope you are not supporting some heretics in these forums who say that the SPC is more of a political organization than a religious one!

Now be a good boy and goto your own news site and stop polluting ours.
(Peggy, 4 May 2013 16:30)
I love everytime one of you ultranationalists print this. You cannot stand an opinion different from your own or rather any comment from someone different from you(remember the cause of the problems in the Balkans) so first you start with the insults and claim anything different is HATE SPEECH, then you try to claim this as YOUR site.
What makes it so funny is that B92 has full editorial power. If the actual owners of the site do not wish to have a comment posted they simply do not post it. So apparently the owners of the site do not share your opinion that it is YOUR site. Maybe you should start your own blog that way you can pick and choose who may or may not post on it. There are lots of other groups out there that do that, there are numerous Aryan nation and skinhead groups that would never dare publish opinions or comments that oppose their own.

"I am convinced that we are defending the greatest values of the European civilization."

I think what he is trying to say is that Serbia is defending Europe against the Asian hordes, Attila and the Huns, Genghis Khan and Sultan Murad. And not metaphorically, I think he truly believes that the Sultans, all of them, are still physically alive in Constantinople and are preparing a massive expedition in the fertile lands of Serbia. The janitsaries, the spahi-s, etc etc, are two maybe three weeks away from Serbia.

(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:36)

If I haven’t done so before let me just say that you’re a person who writes unbelievable comments smd these are two very good examples.
(sj, 5 May 2013 05:05)

I agree that it was unbelievable for Vojislav to exclude 1/4 of Serbia's population from voting for Serbia's Constitution in 2006 and I fully support your call for the WHOLE of Serbia to be allowed to vote this time.

there there
(Nikolle, 4 May 2013 12:51)

Funny that you wrote that. That's exactly what the fat lady told me before she started to sing.

Peggy,

I know you probably don't speak or understand Serbian well, but here are some people to counter your example of "no Serb would say" such and such.

http://ateisti.com/

Will you now counter with, "no TRUE Serb would say..."

Look, Peggy,

Just because you identify with some bearded ponce in a dress doesn't mean that I'm angry or hate myself because I don't

The Patriarch said, "We are aware of the importance of Europe’s integration and we support Serbia’s participation in the process. But not at the price of renouncing a part of our state, our holy places and our people,” the patriarch stressed."

Bravo!

Danilo said, "MY orthodox church? Screw that. I was baptized as an infant. It's not MY church."

...and from your comments this infant baptism eats away at you.

Your self-loathing is very, very sad. It is clearly reflected in your chronically negative comments.

"Why don't you convert to anything else? "


Why would I do that?

All religion is BS.

If anyone needs "healing" it seems to be you. So much anger....

(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:36)

If I haven’t done so before let me just say that you’re a person who writes unbelievable comments smd these are two very good examples.

Acceptable for whom ? God ?
(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:30)
======================
Yep.

BTW, silly question deserves a silly answer.

Not sure what's silly about it! Mr. Gavrilovic is the representative of God,
===========================

NO smart arse. We don't have anyone representing God. That's the Pope.
Get your religions right.

MY orthodox church? Screw that. I was baptized as an infant. It's not MY church.
(Danilo, 4 May 2013 23:10)
=======================

Yep. it's always the parents who are at fault. Have to had a go at them yet for doing this horrible thing to you?
I have an idea. Why don't you convert to anything else? Anything, really it would help you heal.

If anyone needs "healing" it seems to be you. So much anger....
(Danilo, 6 May 2013 12:07)
====================
No it's you. So much anger at Serbia and Orthodox coming from you.

NO smart arse. We don't have anyone representing God. That's the Pope.
Get your religions right.
(Peggy, 5 May 2013 23:15)

Huh! We've noticed already that you don't know much about Kosovo, even though it's the so-called heart of Serbdom, but didn't expect you, the only true Serb patriot in these forums, not to know about the leader of the SPC. Is it news to you that Mr. Gravrilovic is there by the grace of God?!

Will you now counter with, "no TRUE Serb would say..."
(Danilo, 6 May 2013 12:35)
=================

No of course not. I never said that atheists were not good people or they cannot be good Serbs.
What I am saying is that you obviously hate the Orthodox church and only the Orthodox church. You have proven that much because I have never seen you post anything bad about any other church or mosque.
So don't give me some atheist cr@p here. Being one does not make you a good or a bad person. My opinion of you is not based on whether you believe or don't believe but on how much you seem to resent Serbs.
That makes you at best a self hating Serb or an Albanian who is trying to pass as a Serb who has seen the light.

, the only true Serb patriot in these forums, not to know about the leader of the SPC.
==================================
He represents the church but where has he claimed that he represents God?

You try to hard but always end up looking silly.

, the only true Serb patriot in these forums, not to know about the leader of the SPC.
===…==
He represents the church but where has he claimed that he represents God?

You try to hard but always end up looking silly.
(Peggy, 9 May 2013 07:09)

Well, the SPC says that he is there by the Grace of God... But I'm sure the SPC would be happy to clarify that silliness for you if you ask them :)

So the Serbs in KiM reject the ultimatum. The Serbian Orthodox church rejects it and the majority of Serbs also reject it. However, we have our little dictatorship attempting to force something that will not be tolerated.

Looks like the time for reckoning is coming soon. Hope our Albanian friends have their Nike/Adidas tracksuits and runners all ready for the long journey home. The Balkans needs lasting peace. The EU, US and Albanians have failed to deliver it. Too bad!

John aka Burim

So what you are saying is that all those who don't agree with you albs deserv to be targeted? You are just a horrible bunch of individuals.

(azir, 4 May 2013 13:42)

Yes the temple of western justice, the Hague Tribunal where Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians went into a revolving door while the Serbs were tried for crimes against humanity. Perhaps some US military might be tried for their abuses in Iraq like Abu Grahib prison? Of course not they committed them in a shroud of democracy, humanity and freedom. That’s different.
I believe that majority should rule and we should ask the whole of Serbia if Kosovo should be independent. Considering it’s a province of Serbia surely you don’t object to democratic principles or do you believe is selected democracy like your US, only when it suits you?

Not much to say. SPC constant interference into politics is well-known. It is also one of the reasons why SPC is a target in Kosovo. What is worth mentioning, however, is the s***storm coming from Serbian commentators on the Serbian version of B92, attacking SPC. Some excerpts: "Who gave you the mandate?" "Don't you have not even a little bit shame to stop interfering in politics, not even on Easter?"

Irinej just deserves life-time ban from Kosovo and that's it. Chapter closed..

The Hague charged the Serbian Govenment of the 1990's with OPERATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

WAR CRIMES

CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

GENOCIDE

Let me guess "holy man" you was actually "DEFENDING KOSOVA" ..........

YOUR WORDS HAVE TOO MANY WHOLES IN THEM.

What happened to peace and promoting reconciliation?

Since you're into ploitics why can't the majority rule?

The state should start treating this organization like a political lobby group for tax purposes
(Danilo, 4 May 2013 14:12)
===========================

Mr Albanian, please start being honest about who you really are so that we can start taking you just a little bit seriously.
Even a self hating Serb would not say this about his Orthodox church.

"Zoran go get a job seriously! you are 24/7 on this website, stop wasting your time!"

Mark

You kidding me or what? 9 out of 10 comments are from albanians. Albanians who even use 5-6 different names. If you have time for that then there is no way in hell you have a job. Then again albanians are not known to be a working people. Wellfare receivers is what you are and always will be.

Zoran go get a job seriously! you are 24/7 on this website, stop wasting your time!
(Mark, 4 May 2013 13:38)
===========================
You must be on this website just as often to know this.
Is he too much competition for you? Can't you use reason and argument to dismiss his posts or do you have to resort to trying to run him off in order to have a chance?
Now be a good boy and goto your own news site and stop polluting ours.

This Patriarch is disgrace to the church and to whom believes in God!
(gjon fusha, 4 May 2013 15:33)

Albanians commenting on Serbian Church and God. LOL, The next thing they'll be commenting is on proper behavior in a Serbian cemetery.

Acceptable for whom ? God ?
(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:30)
======================
Yep.

BTW, silly question deserves a silly answer.

there there

Zoran go get a job seriously! you are 24/7 on this website, stop wasting your time!

The state should start treating this organization like a political lobby group for tax purposes

This Patriarch is disgrace to the church and to whom believes in God!

So what you are saying is that all those who don't agree with you albs deserv to be targeted?
(MikeC, 4 May 2013 14:33)

There is no other religious institution in the Balkans or Europe which interferes so much in politics than the SPC. For THAT, it deserves what it gets

The Patriarch said, "We are aware of the importance of Europe’s integration and we support Serbia’s participation in the process. But not at the price of renouncing a part of our state, our holy places and our people,” the patriarch stressed."

Bravo!

Between this guy and Zurkolic I don't know which sounds more stupid!

It is Easter and this person is sappose to be a spiritual leader??????

well, yes,they are "european values" - but from the 19th century, the worst of the 19th century values... what a "religion"!

Sj I am not sure if you noticed but your leadership has taken on the responsibilty of permanently solving the Kosova issue by recognizing Kosovars have AUTHORITY over all of KOSOVA.

ALSO your PM Dacic confessed that "Kosova is Serbia" mantra to be classic case of fraud.

While the Balkans strives to prosper in the EU you can continue living in the past and it will get you absolutely no where Good luck with celebrateing lost battles.
And that too was mentioned as Serb bad habit by Dacic........

Keep in mind people. This guy believes in imaginary stories.

He said that his churches stand has been clear since the early 90's!!! That means he still fully supports the Milosevic policies and everything that was done through this dad part of Serbia!s history. Shake on thin man. We do and will not tolerate people and believes like his in Europe or the EU. He places himself and his church in a corner where they simply are outside of anything Europe stands for.

(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:36)

If I haven’t done so before let me just say that you’re a person who writes unbelievable comments smd these are two very good examples.

Not sure what's silly about it! Mr. Gavrilovic is the representative of God,
===========================

NO smart arse. We don't have anyone representing God. That's the Pope.
Get your religions right.

"Autonomy is acceptable, statehood isn’t, patriarch says"

Acceptable for whom ? God ?

So the Serbs in KiM reject the ultimatum. The Serbian Orthodox church rejects it and the majority of Serbs also reject it. However, we have our little dictatorship attempting to force something that will not be tolerated.
(Zoran, 4 May 2013 13:06)

The "Serbs in KiM" are not elected by the majority of the Serbs to represent them. The "Serbian Orthodox church" also is not elected by the majority of the Serbs to represent them. However, the "little dictatorship" is elected by the majority of the Serbs to represent them...

Hell is not only for those that committ evil but also for those that support evil.

MY orthodox church? Screw that. I was baptized as an infant. It's not MY church.
(Danilo, 4 May 2013 23:10)
=======================

Yep. it's always the parents who are at fault. Have to had a go at them yet for doing this horrible thing to you?
I have an idea. Why don't you convert to anything else? Anything, really it would help you heal.

Perhaps some US military might be tried for their abuses in Iraq like Abu Grahib prison?
(sj, 4 May 2013 14:26)

That's done already so you must happy.
----------

I believe that majority should rule and we should ask the whole of Serbia if Kosovo should be independent.
(sj, 4 May 2013 14:26)

Please feel free to do that. Hopefully you convince Vojislav this time that the whole of Serbia should vote not like he did in 2006 when he excluded part of Serbia.

Danilo said, "MY orthodox church? Screw that. I was baptized as an infant. It's not MY church."

...and from your comments this infant baptism eats away at you.

Your self-loathing is very, very sad. It is clearly reflected in your chronically negative comments.

If anyone needs "healing" it seems to be you. So much anger....
(Danilo, 6 May 2013 12:07)
====================
No it's you. So much anger at Serbia and Orthodox coming from you.

there there
(Nikolle, 4 May 2013 12:51)

Funny that you wrote that. That's exactly what the fat lady told me before she started to sing.

Will you now counter with, "no TRUE Serb would say..."
(Danilo, 6 May 2013 12:35)
=================

No of course not. I never said that atheists were not good people or they cannot be good Serbs.
What I am saying is that you obviously hate the Orthodox church and only the Orthodox church. You have proven that much because I have never seen you post anything bad about any other church or mosque.
So don't give me some atheist cr@p here. Being one does not make you a good or a bad person. My opinion of you is not based on whether you believe or don't believe but on how much you seem to resent Serbs.
That makes you at best a self hating Serb or an Albanian who is trying to pass as a Serb who has seen the light.

"his Orthodox church."

MY orthodox church? Screw that. I was baptized as an infant. It's not MY church.

(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:36)

If I haven’t done so before let me just say that you’re a person who writes unbelievable comments smd these are two very good examples.
(sj, 5 May 2013 05:05)

I agree that it was unbelievable for Vojislav to exclude 1/4 of Serbia's population from voting for Serbia's Constitution in 2006 and I fully support your call for the WHOLE of Serbia to be allowed to vote this time.

Acceptable for whom ? God ?
(icj1, 4 May 2013 19:30)
===…==
Yep.

BTW, silly question deserves a silly answer.
(Peggy, 5 May 2013 09:39)

Not sure what's silly about it! Mr. Gavrilovic is the representative of God, isn't him ? I hope you are not supporting some heretics in these forums who say that the SPC is more of a political organization than a religious one!

Peggy,

I know you probably don't speak or understand Serbian well, but here are some people to counter your example of "no Serb would say" such and such.

http://ateisti.com/

Will you now counter with, "no TRUE Serb would say..."

Now be a good boy and goto your own news site and stop polluting ours.
(Peggy, 4 May 2013 16:30)
I love everytime one of you ultranationalists print this. You cannot stand an opinion different from your own or rather any comment from someone different from you(remember the cause of the problems in the Balkans) so first you start with the insults and claim anything different is HATE SPEECH, then you try to claim this as YOUR site.
What makes it so funny is that B92 has full editorial power. If the actual owners of the site do not wish to have a comment posted they simply do not post it. So apparently the owners of the site do not share your opinion that it is YOUR site. Maybe you should start your own blog that way you can pick and choose who may or may not post on it. There are lots of other groups out there that do that, there are numerous Aryan nation and skinhead groups that would never dare publish opinions or comments that oppose their own.

"Why don't you convert to anything else? "


Why would I do that?

All religion is BS.

If anyone needs "healing" it seems to be you. So much anger....

Look, Peggy,

Just because you identify with some bearded ponce in a dress doesn't mean that I'm angry or hate myself because I don't

NO smart arse. We don't have anyone representing God. That's the Pope.
Get your religions right.
(Peggy, 5 May 2013 23:15)

Huh! We've noticed already that you don't know much about Kosovo, even though it's the so-called heart of Serbdom, but didn't expect you, the only true Serb patriot in these forums, not to know about the leader of the SPC. Is it news to you that Mr. Gravrilovic is there by the grace of God?!

"Even a self hating Serb would not say this about his Orthodox church."


Hey Peggy. Thanks for your regular indications that you really don't know much about today's Serbia :)

"I am convinced that we are defending the greatest values of the European civilization."

I think what he is trying to say is that Serbia is defending Europe against the Asian hordes, Attila and the Huns, Genghis Khan and Sultan Murad. And not metaphorically, I think he truly believes that the Sultans, all of them, are still physically alive in Constantinople and are preparing a massive expedition in the fertile lands of Serbia. The janitsaries, the spahi-s, etc etc, are two maybe three weeks away from Serbia.

, the only true Serb patriot in these forums, not to know about the leader of the SPC.
==================================
He represents the church but where has he claimed that he represents God?

You try to hard but always end up looking silly.

, the only true Serb patriot in these forums, not to know about the leader of the SPC.
===…==
He represents the church but where has he claimed that he represents God?

You try to hard but always end up looking silly.
(Peggy, 9 May 2013 07:09)

Well, the SPC says that he is there by the Grace of God... But I'm sure the SPC would be happy to clarify that silliness for you if you ask them :)