Thaci's ex-advisor "main suspect" in organ transplants case

Hmmm, so we are getting sequels to these Medicus horror events. Maybe we will see the prequels one day also? The ones where they were kidnapping Serbs and others to extract organs. What a class act, they are fortunate to have the US and EU as partners in crime.

According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."

Does it mean: Advising the gentleman Thaci about to make some mafia money with 'healthcare' (in a broader sense)?

You albanians are really sad.

First off it is not the Serbs claming anything, this is an international investigation in which Serbia is cooperating with. Notice who the investigators are and who the chief prosecutors are. NONE are Serbs, so now what?

and secondly... everyone knows what albanians are capable of, look no further than the "Racak massacre".

A shameful act by a shameful people!

Haitian, why do you discount the possibility that the KLA was involved in organ-harvesting during the war? There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time. Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.

"According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."
Muja was one of the witnesses in the original case, now referred to as Medicus 1."

Health adviser and witness now suspect?

The prosecution is stupid or corrupt to use him as a witness. If this wasn't serious, it would actually be funny.

If this wasn't serious, it would actually be funny.
(Roger7, 2 May 2013 13:40)

Trust me Roger, it's serious and hilarious. Fits perfectly with Kosovo Albanian officials have titles and duties that run completely counter to what they actually do :)

Hmmm, so we are getting sequels to these Medicus horror events. Maybe we will see the prequels one day also? The ones where they were kidnapping Serbs and others to extract organs. What a class act, they are fortunate to have the US and EU as partners in crime.
(Zoran, 2 May 2013 13:59)

Rather than it being a sequal, it is more like one story in two halves.

That story about Serbs being murdered for their organs will be found in the Fiction section of your local library. I bet your hoping that crime thriller author Dick Marty publishes a sequel.

Those lucky Turks getting Serbian hearts and kidneys. I bet they are working perfectly.

Jeff, what kind of comment is that to make?
I hope these criminals lead the trail back up to Thaci, and this criminal is put behind bars once and for all. He belongs in the Hague..and fast. These are some of the most horrible crimes committed ever.

According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."

He supplied Thaci with organs.

Only serb camp would conclude that a bunch of volunteers with no military or medical experience could in middle of no where harvest organs and ship them across the world. Notice that the case of Medicus involved bringing outside doctors who know their craft? Not a single UCK member had the guts or the sturdy hands to do operation.


Tung,

Wait a minute. Muja = chief KLA doctor in 99. It gets better. where was he in 99, was he in Kosovo? No. He was in northern Albania. You know what I'm saying here don't you. The truth is almost exposed and it will hurt Albanians badly.

"There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)

It's simple: It was Albanian mafia, hiding behind the mask of 'freedom fighters': Like every good mafia member, they don't care at all about 'love and hate', it's all about money, they take every opportunity they find to make some more of it in an easy way. You know, mafia members would sell their mother if the price is good.

According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."

He supplied Thaci with organs.
(aaayyy, 2 May 2013 22:22)

That explains Thaci's vision, decision-making and the reason they now always have Thaci with a pen in his hand. I assume the reason for the pen in hand is to make him appear literate, intelligent and important.
If I were Thaci's image advisor I would also recommend bifocal glasses and a black or brown pair of suede Birkenstock sandals. Also, definitely get rid of those high $ ties and suits.
For Ceku I recommend a saw.

Haitian

Some have said that the holocaust never happened and that it was "ALL LIES" etc. But history has proven that it did happen, now how do YOU know that this organ theft never happened, where do you get your information from to say that it did not???

organisations like the KLA will go to any lengths to hide and cover things up just like the Nazis did and much like the USA does today to hide the atrocities that they have and still commit.

You would do well to wait and see what history and a little time will uncover. You might find that you'll end up eating your words.

Haitian, why do you discount the possibility that the KLA was involved in organ-harvesting during the war? There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time. Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)

winston,

There are no victims, otherwise why have they not been identified. So far there has been no evidence to indicate that a crime has been committed. Therefore, how could there possibly be any suspects. It should be clear that this is just the figment of someone's overactive or devious imagination. Why waste further money when it could be used to help some actual Albanian victims.

Interesting - this adviser of Thaci's was used as a witness for the prosecution, meaning he's already been questioned, and the prosecutor says he has seen "absolutely no evidence" connecting the Medicus and the "Yellow House" cases. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/kosovo-trial-sheds-light-on-international-organ-smuggling-1.1378406

@Haitian: I have to disagree in this one with my friend Haitian. Whether something happened will be known after investigation. However, there are indirect signs to suggest that something did happen:
1) Defensive attitude of Albanian politicians and public. If I am confident that something did not happen, why would I try to interfere with investigation and stop it? On the contrary, I would wholeheartedly support such investigation and insist on it.
2) Very unusual and nervous response of Kouchner when he was questioned about it. In nineties Serbs were demonised to the extent that you could do everything to them with impunity. Stoltenberg said few months ago that in that time any Western politician depicting more balanced picture about conflicts involving Serbs would become soon isolated and jobless. It is quite possible that Kuchner knew something, but it was "unhealthy" for him to “rock the boat”.
3) Accusations are so bizarre that it is difficult to invent them. Who would be so stupid to try to invent this, when it sounds such incredible?
4) There are gangs in Kosovo/Albania involved in some illegal/immoral practices of organ transplantations.

@Haitan: I am glad that you are not against investigation and I commend your approach. I take exception of your statement that Albanians were demonized from 1960 to 1999. I remember when Azem Vlasi was my President, as well as Fadilj Hodza and Sinan Hasani. From 1945 to 1987 in Kosovo it is fair to say that this was the time of highest rate of development for any Albanian Community ever.

"I don't believe that it happened for the same reason I don't believe that millions of Chinese people were murdered by Brazilians in the 1980s (I just invented a crime that is meant to have happened, just like the crime of Serbs vbeing killed for their organs was invented and made up). Neither are true. Neither happened!"
(Haitian, 3 May 2013 12:16)

Most people didn't believe the CIA had illegal prison camps in Europe, and was transporting prisoners secretly with planes from and to these places. How could it all happen, in Europe, behind the back of the public? It's impossible, isn't it?

But some investigator did his job and found it to be true, and when there was no more way to deny it, CIA admitted the existence and the transports. Do you know the name of the person who discovered all that? Little hint: He's from Switzerland, and his name starts with an 'M'.

Danilo

Are you an Albanian posing as a non-Albanian?

I'm a Serb and I have no idea as to whether or not the organ trafficking is true or not, having said that I would not put it past Albanian gangsters to practice such a heinous crime as they do most other criminal activities.

It is not an impossibility, truth is stranger than fiction as they say. Time will tell what the truth really is, it almost always comes out in the end.

Cheerio Danilo.

Danilo

Yes, you sound very much like a martian, but are you related to an Albanian??

@Haitan: With all due respect, but I have to tell you that you don't know what are you talking about. You definitely didn't live in Kosovo in period 1945-1987 (what you are saying rings a bell for period after 1987 when Stambolic, Ckrebic etc. were out; why and how it is a long story). If you lived there, you would know what "kljuc" meant in those times. It was positive discrimination policy towards Albanians, i.e. in all services there was required that number proportion of employees reflects the proportion of Kosovo national structure. You have to inform yourself better. Discuss with your elders (but they have to be at least over 55 to know the time), particularly intellectuals what changes in Albanian society were experienced from 1945 to 1987. Albanians were stars in whole Serbia and SFRJ, not just Kosovo (Bekim Fehmiu, Faruk Begoli, Abdulrahman Salja, Zana Nimani, Dzevad Prekazi, Aziz Salihu, Memet Bogojevci, etc.).

This proves that they have the know-how and will to do it. It's hard to believe they only started doing this after the war (especially with all the accusations).

One can suppose it doesn't demonstrate conclusively it doesn't involve Serb prisoners but it certainly gives the claims much credibility. If you've got the know how, are already doing it, require the money and think very lowly of your prisoner, I'm hard pressed to think it didn't happen to some degree (perhaps not as high as claimed... to be determined).

Coincidence the timing of the verdict (shortly after the signing of the agreement). It's unfortunate this investigation needs to be so tied to politics.... questions the amount of justice that will be received by the victims.

Here let me help you.

1.Islamic Albanian terrorists kidnap persons.

2.Extract organs/sell them to clients.

3.Dispose of bodies by filling them with Heroin.

4.Transport them to west as dead "albanian " loved ones with false identity papers.

5.Once in west bodies emptied of Heroin. Bodies either cremated or parts/limbs sold for medical research.

Source over hearing 2 police officers talking about it in Detroit at morning coffee.

@cry me a river: You have either never lived in SFRJ or you deliberately lie hoping that people who did not live in SFRJ will believe in what you have written. They had as much power as any Serb, Croat, Slovenian etc. had when executing these functions. No more and no less.

I mean think about it. Nazis went to great lengths to cover up what they did, so what makes anyone think that the Albanians wouldn't do the same thing to cover up their moon-base activities.
(Danilo, 3 May 2013 14:32)
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Auschwitz is kind of hard to hide.

Doing things on a small scale (and this is a small operation compared to what Nazis did) has a much better chance of being covered up.

It amazes me how many Albanians are against this investigation and yet they scream how there is nothing to find. If that is true, then why all the opposition to it? If people want to conducts an investigation at their expense why do you care so much?

Some have said that the holocaust never happened and that it was "ALL LIES" etc. But history has proven that it did happen, now how do YOU know that this organ theft never happened, where do you get your information from to say that it did not???

organisations like the KLA will go to any lengths to hide and cover things up just like the Nazis did and much like the USA does today to hide the atrocities that they have and still commit.

You would do well to wait and see what history and a little time will uncover. You might find that you'll end up eating your words.
(Spartan, 3 May 2013 10:57)

There is lots and lots of evidence proving that the holocaust happened however there isn't any evidence suggesting that Serbs were murdered by the UCK for their organs. One single 'victim' hasn't been named yet. It is all made up.

I don't believe that it happened for the same reason I don't believe that millions of Chinese people were murdered by Brazilians in the 1980s (I just invented a crime that is meant to have happened, just like the crime of Serbs vbeing killed for their organs was invented and made up). Neither are true. Neither happened!

MikeC, Which shameful people are you talking about, The Turkish people since it was a Turkish Dr that did the surgeries or the Israeli people(whom your president noted that had a lot in common with the Serbian people)because it was masterminded by an Israeli and the recipients of the organs were Israelis, or the Russians that aided in recruiting and transporting the victims(not many other mafias work within the Russian area of influence.
Momcilio, do you really believe these crimes hold a candle to the atrocities inflicted on the Albanian people by the Serb forces in the 90's, maybe you should reexamine your moral base.

Spartan,

I agree. One theory (mine), is that the Albanians had a secret moon-base (funded by the americans) where they did these ghoulish deeds.

No one has any information that it's not true, so therefore it is.

I mean think about it. Nazis went to great lengths to cover up what they did, so what makes anyone think that the Albanians wouldn't do the same thing to cover up their moon-base activities.

@cry me a river: You have either never lived in SFRJ or you deliberately lie hoping that people who did not live in SFRJ will believe in what you have written. They had as much power as any Serb, Croat, Slovenian etc. had when executing these functions. No more and no less.
(Srba, 4 May 2013 00:01)

Oh, I see it now. So they must have not been aware of the great life and privileges they enjoyed in the SFRJ. So all of this is just a big misunderstanding. What a shame we are realising it this late in the game :)

Haitian, why do you discount the possibility that the KLA was involved in organ-harvesting during the war? There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time. Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)

I discount the possibility that the UCK were involved with organ harvesting because there isn't a single piece of reliable evidence suggesting that it happened. Why should I believe it happened?

The UN and EU are conducting their 3rd investigation and the result will be the same as the first two, they will be unable to find any evidence to suggest it happened. They won't find any evidence because there isn't any. There isn't any evidence because it didn't happen.

It has been invented to oppose Kosova!

"It amazes me how many Albanians are against this investigation "

I haven't seem much evidence of this.

How many investigations have there been, btw? was it 3 or only 2?
(Danilo, 4 May 2013 13:04)
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You see evidence of this every day on this site. What do you mean you haven't seen much evidence?
Are you not reading your brothers' posts?

(Srba, 4 May 2013 12:23)

I was born in 1986 but my father and grandfather were alive then and I know from them and other elders that life was not great being an Albanian in yugo. You never lived then in Kosova either. A small minority of ethnic Albanian celebrities doesn't mean that every day normal Albanians in Yugo Kosova had a good quality of life. You've been reading propaganda. Propaganda which wants you to believe Albanians had a good standard of life in Yugo Kosova. We didn't. We were encouraged to declare ourselves as being Turks, not Albanians in state Censuses. We were encouraged to move from Kosova to Turkey. This was state policy under Tito. This is one reason why there are many Albanians in Turkey today, due to Tito's policy. Albanians were bullied and singled out when doing compulsory military service by officers, most of which were Serbs., even though we were doing our bit to serve and defend a country we didn't want to be part of.

Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)
You know Winston you would have had a good post if you went on to say and Serbs should wait until the evidence is gathered to show it did happen before rushing to judgement and arguing that it did definitely happen. I think you are guilty in that respect along with most nearly every Serb poster on here.
By saying that no one exposes evidence before arraignment and trial, are you asserting that the recent release by Serb prosecutors the taped interview of the supposed KLA informant was actually a hoax since it was released???
Actually the most sensitive evidence is not released but follow any criminal investigation and some evidence is released. In this case nothing has been released. Most certainly any victims found would be identified. But nada, zip. Also the fact that it has already been announced that the investigation will end by 2014 tells you that they have not uncovered any leads to follow.
So if you are really expecting Albanians not to dismiss the allegations until the investigation is completed you should also expect Serbs and yourself to not insist it did happen without evidence!

According to serbs and their serbiphile lapdog Dick Martin,there are 300-400 serbs being killed in Fush-Kruja they were taken all the organs and have shipped in EU or Arab countries.
Also accoring to Martin more the the half of UCK or KLA mambers took part in this giant operation,meaing than more 15 000 people were involve.

Yet there is no one shred of evidence and proves,but just accusation,halucinatuions and propoganda against albanians to look guilty.

If some one of you guys go to Fush-Kruje,and see the town you will know that there is no way that such an giant operation took place there.
300-400 serbs being shot in a town where houses are next to each other and you can hear the neighbore making love, let alone a gun shot,is just impossible to even think.
However the investigation will end next year and if it will be like the other previous investigations,I hope serbs will accept the outcome.

Secondly,the Medicus clinic case is simething else,and has nothing to do with Dick Martins "findings".
Hope Dick Marty goes to hell if the investigation doesnt prove the mud he throw to Albanians who were the real victims in 1990s.

@ Srba No one has a problem with the investigations, like I say this the 3rd investigation and they haven't found anything. These allegations were made up to further demonize Albanians as we couldn't be physically demonized after 1999 like we were from 1960s to 1999. I bet Serbian politicans would be opposed if the international community conducted an investigation on all the dead Albanian bodies chucked in the Danube and it mass graves during the Kosova War, many of which had their kidneys missing. I have no problem with the investigation because if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. This Turkish-Kosovan-Isreali scheme at the Medicus clinic has been stopped by Kosovan Police and people have been brought to justice. That is a good thing! The only evidence which supports Beograd's claim about organ harvesting is that mysterious so called witness they have. But nothing more. No real evidence.

I take exception of your statement that Albanians were demonized from 1960 to 1999. I remember when Azem Vlasi was my President, as well as Fadilj Hodza and Sinan Hasani. From 1945 to 1987 in Kosovo it is fair to say that this was the time of highest rate of development for any Albanian Community ever.
(Srba

They might've held the role but had very little power. That was all for show and you know this!

"I have no idea as to whether or not the organ trafficking is true or not"

Neither do I. Neither does anyone. That's the point.


"Time will tell what the truth really is, it almost always comes out in the end. "

Agreed.



I'm a Martian, btw.

@ Srba Breograd did have ethnic Albanians puppets in powerless roles in Kosova but this didn't improve life on the ground, nor did it anul the demonization towards Albanians. Serbs got all the top jobs in business, police and army. Most of the police were Serbs. Kosova was intentionally kept economic backwards compared to the rest of Yugo. No job creation and mass unemployment in this 'Communist State'. Our rights were slowly taken away from us. Secret Police and normal Police would harrass and follow us. Albanian language and media and educatio was taken away from us. When we protested, we were brutally beaten by the Police and Imprisoned. This is all before the war. I don't understand how you can consider this to be good development for the 'Albanian community'.

Peggy: Who is against this investigation? I'm only pointing out that this'll be number 3, 2 others found nothing. and when number 3 funds nothing again, you'll still cry foul and believe the west is hiding something

Peggy, I'm not sure we're reading the same site.

I read people pointing out that there's not a shred of evidence for this organ harvesting from kidnapped victims story, not "oh please, let's not have an investigation"

I challenge you to point out even one instance where people have been saying there should be no investigation.

There have already been two. Bring on the third, why not.

Theatrics and horror fiction aside, there really is a need to discover the fate of all victims in the war. Otherwise, when you're left with back holes, people will fill it with all kinds of half-truths and straight-up fiction, as we see plainly, regularly.

So if this person was Thaci's health advisor, then Dacic and Nikolic were Thaci's partners and colleagues. After all, they were all working together for several months on a deal in Brussels.

Maybe Thaci should be held responsible for all the mafia deals that his partners, Nikolic and Dacic are involved in. Hey, maybe Thaci is behind the Zemun clan too! Let's dig up some bodies from the last mafia wars in Belgrade. Surely one of them is missing a heart or lung that we can attribute to KLA organ trafficking! What can I say, Serbian logic is a funny concept indeed.

"It's simple: It was Albanian mafia,"

now the KLA were the Albanian mafia. amazing. oh and winston, no one is to say that this didn't happen. however, 2 previous investigations found nothing. this is number three. dick marty, for all his protestations, has as of yet, refused to disclose what he allegedly knows. not one person has been accused, not one victim named, not one recipient of an organ found. we are now into year 3 of the report, its not as if this was alleged just after tea time, last tue. no no, there is absolutely nothing, to corroborate these claims.

Spartan,

What does my pointing out that you can't disprove the existence of a secret moon-base (or the non-existence of anything) have to do with my relatives?

What does ethnicity have to do with logic.

These questions are boring and non-sequitorish.

Does ethnicity compel you to think a certain way?

Another way of putting it could be, is being Serbian some sort of neurological disorder that forces you to think a certain way?

It isn't for me, at least. Can't speak for everyone.

"It amazes me how many Albanians are against this investigation "

I haven't seem much evidence of this.

How many investigations have there been, btw? was it 3 or only 2?

disgusted american, 3 May 2013 23:54)
Even if true, great resource!

Hmmm, so we are getting sequels to these Medicus horror events. Maybe we will see the prequels one day also? The ones where they were kidnapping Serbs and others to extract organs. What a class act, they are fortunate to have the US and EU as partners in crime.
(Zoran, 2 May 2013 13:59)

Rather than it being a sequal, it is more like one story in two halves.

That story about Serbs being murdered for their organs will be found in the Fiction section of your local library. I bet your hoping that crime thriller author Dick Marty publishes a sequel.

Only serb camp would conclude that a bunch of volunteers with no military or medical experience could in middle of no where harvest organs and ship them across the world. Notice that the case of Medicus involved bringing outside doctors who know their craft? Not a single UCK member had the guts or the sturdy hands to do operation.


Tung,

Haitian, why do you discount the possibility that the KLA was involved in organ-harvesting during the war? There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time. Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)

winston,

There are no victims, otherwise why have they not been identified. So far there has been no evidence to indicate that a crime has been committed. Therefore, how could there possibly be any suspects. It should be clear that this is just the figment of someone's overactive or devious imagination. Why waste further money when it could be used to help some actual Albanian victims.

Those lucky Turks getting Serbian hearts and kidneys. I bet they are working perfectly.

Hmmm, so we are getting sequels to these Medicus horror events. Maybe we will see the prequels one day also? The ones where they were kidnapping Serbs and others to extract organs. What a class act, they are fortunate to have the US and EU as partners in crime.

According to serbs and their serbiphile lapdog Dick Martin,there are 300-400 serbs being killed in Fush-Kruja they were taken all the organs and have shipped in EU or Arab countries.
Also accoring to Martin more the the half of UCK or KLA mambers took part in this giant operation,meaing than more 15 000 people were involve.

Yet there is no one shred of evidence and proves,but just accusation,halucinatuions and propoganda against albanians to look guilty.

If some one of you guys go to Fush-Kruje,and see the town you will know that there is no way that such an giant operation took place there.
300-400 serbs being shot in a town where houses are next to each other and you can hear the neighbore making love, let alone a gun shot,is just impossible to even think.
However the investigation will end next year and if it will be like the other previous investigations,I hope serbs will accept the outcome.

Secondly,the Medicus clinic case is simething else,and has nothing to do with Dick Martins "findings".
Hope Dick Marty goes to hell if the investigation doesnt prove the mud he throw to Albanians who were the real victims in 1990s.

You albanians are really sad.

First off it is not the Serbs claming anything, this is an international investigation in which Serbia is cooperating with. Notice who the investigators are and who the chief prosecutors are. NONE are Serbs, so now what?

and secondly... everyone knows what albanians are capable of, look no further than the "Racak massacre".

Some have said that the holocaust never happened and that it was "ALL LIES" etc. But history has proven that it did happen, now how do YOU know that this organ theft never happened, where do you get your information from to say that it did not???

organisations like the KLA will go to any lengths to hide and cover things up just like the Nazis did and much like the USA does today to hide the atrocities that they have and still commit.

You would do well to wait and see what history and a little time will uncover. You might find that you'll end up eating your words.
(Spartan, 3 May 2013 10:57)

There is lots and lots of evidence proving that the holocaust happened however there isn't any evidence suggesting that Serbs were murdered by the UCK for their organs. One single 'victim' hasn't been named yet. It is all made up.

I don't believe that it happened for the same reason I don't believe that millions of Chinese people were murdered by Brazilians in the 1980s (I just invented a crime that is meant to have happened, just like the crime of Serbs vbeing killed for their organs was invented and made up). Neither are true. Neither happened!

If this wasn't serious, it would actually be funny.
(Roger7, 2 May 2013 13:40)

Trust me Roger, it's serious and hilarious. Fits perfectly with Kosovo Albanian officials have titles and duties that run completely counter to what they actually do :)

Haitian, why do you discount the possibility that the KLA was involved in organ-harvesting during the war? There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time. Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.

"There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)

It's simple: It was Albanian mafia, hiding behind the mask of 'freedom fighters': Like every good mafia member, they don't care at all about 'love and hate', it's all about money, they take every opportunity they find to make some more of it in an easy way. You know, mafia members would sell their mother if the price is good.

Spartan,

I agree. One theory (mine), is that the Albanians had a secret moon-base (funded by the americans) where they did these ghoulish deeds.

No one has any information that it's not true, so therefore it is.

I mean think about it. Nazis went to great lengths to cover up what they did, so what makes anyone think that the Albanians wouldn't do the same thing to cover up their moon-base activities.

Haitian, why do you discount the possibility that the KLA was involved in organ-harvesting during the war? There certainly was/is enough hate on the side of some Albanians towards serbs to have done something like that, plus it was war time. Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)

I discount the possibility that the UCK were involved with organ harvesting because there isn't a single piece of reliable evidence suggesting that it happened. Why should I believe it happened?

The UN and EU are conducting their 3rd investigation and the result will be the same as the first two, they will be unable to find any evidence to suggest it happened. They won't find any evidence because there isn't any. There isn't any evidence because it didn't happen.

It has been invented to oppose Kosova!

@ Srba No one has a problem with the investigations, like I say this the 3rd investigation and they haven't found anything. These allegations were made up to further demonize Albanians as we couldn't be physically demonized after 1999 like we were from 1960s to 1999. I bet Serbian politicans would be opposed if the international community conducted an investigation on all the dead Albanian bodies chucked in the Danube and it mass graves during the Kosova War, many of which had their kidneys missing. I have no problem with the investigation because if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. This Turkish-Kosovan-Isreali scheme at the Medicus clinic has been stopped by Kosovan Police and people have been brought to justice. That is a good thing! The only evidence which supports Beograd's claim about organ harvesting is that mysterious so called witness they have. But nothing more. No real evidence.

According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."

Does it mean: Advising the gentleman Thaci about to make some mafia money with 'healthcare' (in a broader sense)?

A shameful act by a shameful people!

Interesting - this adviser of Thaci's was used as a witness for the prosecution, meaning he's already been questioned, and the prosecutor says he has seen "absolutely no evidence" connecting the Medicus and the "Yellow House" cases. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/kosovo-trial-sheds-light-on-international-organ-smuggling-1.1378406

I take exception of your statement that Albanians were demonized from 1960 to 1999. I remember when Azem Vlasi was my President, as well as Fadilj Hodza and Sinan Hasani. From 1945 to 1987 in Kosovo it is fair to say that this was the time of highest rate of development for any Albanian Community ever.
(Srba

They might've held the role but had very little power. That was all for show and you know this!

So if this person was Thaci's health advisor, then Dacic and Nikolic were Thaci's partners and colleagues. After all, they were all working together for several months on a deal in Brussels.

Maybe Thaci should be held responsible for all the mafia deals that his partners, Nikolic and Dacic are involved in. Hey, maybe Thaci is behind the Zemun clan too! Let's dig up some bodies from the last mafia wars in Belgrade. Surely one of them is missing a heart or lung that we can attribute to KLA organ trafficking! What can I say, Serbian logic is a funny concept indeed.

MikeC, Which shameful people are you talking about, The Turkish people since it was a Turkish Dr that did the surgeries or the Israeli people(whom your president noted that had a lot in common with the Serbian people)because it was masterminded by an Israeli and the recipients of the organs were Israelis, or the Russians that aided in recruiting and transporting the victims(not many other mafias work within the Russian area of influence.
Momcilio, do you really believe these crimes hold a candle to the atrocities inflicted on the Albanian people by the Serb forces in the 90's, maybe you should reexamine your moral base.

"According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."
Muja was one of the witnesses in the original case, now referred to as Medicus 1."

Health adviser and witness now suspect?

The prosecution is stupid or corrupt to use him as a witness. If this wasn't serious, it would actually be funny.

"It's simple: It was Albanian mafia,"

now the KLA were the Albanian mafia. amazing. oh and winston, no one is to say that this didn't happen. however, 2 previous investigations found nothing. this is number three. dick marty, for all his protestations, has as of yet, refused to disclose what he allegedly knows. not one person has been accused, not one victim named, not one recipient of an organ found. we are now into year 3 of the report, its not as if this was alleged just after tea time, last tue. no no, there is absolutely nothing, to corroborate these claims.

"I have no idea as to whether or not the organ trafficking is true or not"

Neither do I. Neither does anyone. That's the point.


"Time will tell what the truth really is, it almost always comes out in the end. "

Agreed.



I'm a Martian, btw.

@ Srba Breograd did have ethnic Albanians puppets in powerless roles in Kosova but this didn't improve life on the ground, nor did it anul the demonization towards Albanians. Serbs got all the top jobs in business, police and army. Most of the police were Serbs. Kosova was intentionally kept economic backwards compared to the rest of Yugo. No job creation and mass unemployment in this 'Communist State'. Our rights were slowly taken away from us. Secret Police and normal Police would harrass and follow us. Albanian language and media and educatio was taken away from us. When we protested, we were brutally beaten by the Police and Imprisoned. This is all before the war. I don't understand how you can consider this to be good development for the 'Albanian community'.

Let's allow the authorities to conduct their investigations, before we all start using terms like fiction, fantasy, lie, etc., we certainly don't know all the facts, nor all the evidence that has thus been collected. No one disclose evidence until time of an arraignment, then trial.
(winston, 2 May 2013 15:31)
You know Winston you would have had a good post if you went on to say and Serbs should wait until the evidence is gathered to show it did happen before rushing to judgement and arguing that it did definitely happen. I think you are guilty in that respect along with most nearly every Serb poster on here.
By saying that no one exposes evidence before arraignment and trial, are you asserting that the recent release by Serb prosecutors the taped interview of the supposed KLA informant was actually a hoax since it was released???
Actually the most sensitive evidence is not released but follow any criminal investigation and some evidence is released. In this case nothing has been released. Most certainly any victims found would be identified. But nada, zip. Also the fact that it has already been announced that the investigation will end by 2014 tells you that they have not uncovered any leads to follow.
So if you are really expecting Albanians not to dismiss the allegations until the investigation is completed you should also expect Serbs and yourself to not insist it did happen without evidence!

According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."

He supplied Thaci with organs.

Spartan,

What does my pointing out that you can't disprove the existence of a secret moon-base (or the non-existence of anything) have to do with my relatives?

What does ethnicity have to do with logic.

These questions are boring and non-sequitorish.

Does ethnicity compel you to think a certain way?

Another way of putting it could be, is being Serbian some sort of neurological disorder that forces you to think a certain way?

It isn't for me, at least. Can't speak for everyone.

Peggy: Who is against this investigation? I'm only pointing out that this'll be number 3, 2 others found nothing. and when number 3 funds nothing again, you'll still cry foul and believe the west is hiding something

"It amazes me how many Albanians are against this investigation "

I haven't seem much evidence of this.

How many investigations have there been, btw? was it 3 or only 2?

Jeff, what kind of comment is that to make?
I hope these criminals lead the trail back up to Thaci, and this criminal is put behind bars once and for all. He belongs in the Hague..and fast. These are some of the most horrible crimes committed ever.

According to the report, he was previously Thaci's "health advisor."

He supplied Thaci with organs.
(aaayyy, 2 May 2013 22:22)

That explains Thaci's vision, decision-making and the reason they now always have Thaci with a pen in his hand. I assume the reason for the pen in hand is to make him appear literate, intelligent and important.
If I were Thaci's image advisor I would also recommend bifocal glasses and a black or brown pair of suede Birkenstock sandals. Also, definitely get rid of those high $ ties and suits.
For Ceku I recommend a saw.

@cry me a river: You have either never lived in SFRJ or you deliberately lie hoping that people who did not live in SFRJ will believe in what you have written. They had as much power as any Serb, Croat, Slovenian etc. had when executing these functions. No more and no less.
(Srba, 4 May 2013 00:01)

Oh, I see it now. So they must have not been aware of the great life and privileges they enjoyed in the SFRJ. So all of this is just a big misunderstanding. What a shame we are realising it this late in the game :)

Peggy, I'm not sure we're reading the same site.

I read people pointing out that there's not a shred of evidence for this organ harvesting from kidnapped victims story, not "oh please, let's not have an investigation"

I challenge you to point out even one instance where people have been saying there should be no investigation.

There have already been two. Bring on the third, why not.

Theatrics and horror fiction aside, there really is a need to discover the fate of all victims in the war. Otherwise, when you're left with back holes, people will fill it with all kinds of half-truths and straight-up fiction, as we see plainly, regularly.

(Srba, 4 May 2013 12:23)

I was born in 1986 but my father and grandfather were alive then and I know from them and other elders that life was not great being an Albanian in yugo. You never lived then in Kosova either. A small minority of ethnic Albanian celebrities doesn't mean that every day normal Albanians in Yugo Kosova had a good quality of life. You've been reading propaganda. Propaganda which wants you to believe Albanians had a good standard of life in Yugo Kosova. We didn't. We were encouraged to declare ourselves as being Turks, not Albanians in state Censuses. We were encouraged to move from Kosova to Turkey. This was state policy under Tito. This is one reason why there are many Albanians in Turkey today, due to Tito's policy. Albanians were bullied and singled out when doing compulsory military service by officers, most of which were Serbs., even though we were doing our bit to serve and defend a country we didn't want to be part of.

Haitian

Some have said that the holocaust never happened and that it was "ALL LIES" etc. But history has proven that it did happen, now how do YOU know that this organ theft never happened, where do you get your information from to say that it did not???

organisations like the KLA will go to any lengths to hide and cover things up just like the Nazis did and much like the USA does today to hide the atrocities that they have and still commit.

You would do well to wait and see what history and a little time will uncover. You might find that you'll end up eating your words.

Wait a minute. Muja = chief KLA doctor in 99. It gets better. where was he in 99, was he in Kosovo? No. He was in northern Albania. You know what I'm saying here don't you. The truth is almost exposed and it will hurt Albanians badly.

@Haitan: I am glad that you are not against investigation and I commend your approach. I take exception of your statement that Albanians were demonized from 1960 to 1999. I remember when Azem Vlasi was my President, as well as Fadilj Hodza and Sinan Hasani. From 1945 to 1987 in Kosovo it is fair to say that this was the time of highest rate of development for any Albanian Community ever.

"I don't believe that it happened for the same reason I don't believe that millions of Chinese people were murdered by Brazilians in the 1980s (I just invented a crime that is meant to have happened, just like the crime of Serbs vbeing killed for their organs was invented and made up). Neither are true. Neither happened!"
(Haitian, 3 May 2013 12:16)

Most people didn't believe the CIA had illegal prison camps in Europe, and was transporting prisoners secretly with planes from and to these places. How could it all happen, in Europe, behind the back of the public? It's impossible, isn't it?

But some investigator did his job and found it to be true, and when there was no more way to deny it, CIA admitted the existence and the transports. Do you know the name of the person who discovered all that? Little hint: He's from Switzerland, and his name starts with an 'M'.

Danilo

Are you an Albanian posing as a non-Albanian?

I'm a Serb and I have no idea as to whether or not the organ trafficking is true or not, having said that I would not put it past Albanian gangsters to practice such a heinous crime as they do most other criminal activities.

It is not an impossibility, truth is stranger than fiction as they say. Time will tell what the truth really is, it almost always comes out in the end.

Cheerio Danilo.

This proves that they have the know-how and will to do it. It's hard to believe they only started doing this after the war (especially with all the accusations).

One can suppose it doesn't demonstrate conclusively it doesn't involve Serb prisoners but it certainly gives the claims much credibility. If you've got the know how, are already doing it, require the money and think very lowly of your prisoner, I'm hard pressed to think it didn't happen to some degree (perhaps not as high as claimed... to be determined).

Coincidence the timing of the verdict (shortly after the signing of the agreement). It's unfortunate this investigation needs to be so tied to politics.... questions the amount of justice that will be received by the victims.

"It amazes me how many Albanians are against this investigation "

I haven't seem much evidence of this.

How many investigations have there been, btw? was it 3 or only 2?
(Danilo, 4 May 2013 13:04)
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You see evidence of this every day on this site. What do you mean you haven't seen much evidence?
Are you not reading your brothers' posts?

@Haitian: I have to disagree in this one with my friend Haitian. Whether something happened will be known after investigation. However, there are indirect signs to suggest that something did happen:
1) Defensive attitude of Albanian politicians and public. If I am confident that something did not happen, why would I try to interfere with investigation and stop it? On the contrary, I would wholeheartedly support such investigation and insist on it.
2) Very unusual and nervous response of Kouchner when he was questioned about it. In nineties Serbs were demonised to the extent that you could do everything to them with impunity. Stoltenberg said few months ago that in that time any Western politician depicting more balanced picture about conflicts involving Serbs would become soon isolated and jobless. It is quite possible that Kuchner knew something, but it was "unhealthy" for him to “rock the boat”.
3) Accusations are so bizarre that it is difficult to invent them. Who would be so stupid to try to invent this, when it sounds such incredible?
4) There are gangs in Kosovo/Albania involved in some illegal/immoral practices of organ transplantations.

Danilo

Yes, you sound very much like a martian, but are you related to an Albanian??

Here let me help you.

1.Islamic Albanian terrorists kidnap persons.

2.Extract organs/sell them to clients.

3.Dispose of bodies by filling them with Heroin.

4.Transport them to west as dead "albanian " loved ones with false identity papers.

5.Once in west bodies emptied of Heroin. Bodies either cremated or parts/limbs sold for medical research.

Source over hearing 2 police officers talking about it in Detroit at morning coffee.

I mean think about it. Nazis went to great lengths to cover up what they did, so what makes anyone think that the Albanians wouldn't do the same thing to cover up their moon-base activities.
(Danilo, 3 May 2013 14:32)
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Auschwitz is kind of hard to hide.

Doing things on a small scale (and this is a small operation compared to what Nazis did) has a much better chance of being covered up.

It amazes me how many Albanians are against this investigation and yet they scream how there is nothing to find. If that is true, then why all the opposition to it? If people want to conducts an investigation at their expense why do you care so much?

@Haitan: With all due respect, but I have to tell you that you don't know what are you talking about. You definitely didn't live in Kosovo in period 1945-1987 (what you are saying rings a bell for period after 1987 when Stambolic, Ckrebic etc. were out; why and how it is a long story). If you lived there, you would know what "kljuc" meant in those times. It was positive discrimination policy towards Albanians, i.e. in all services there was required that number proportion of employees reflects the proportion of Kosovo national structure. You have to inform yourself better. Discuss with your elders (but they have to be at least over 55 to know the time), particularly intellectuals what changes in Albanian society were experienced from 1945 to 1987. Albanians were stars in whole Serbia and SFRJ, not just Kosovo (Bekim Fehmiu, Faruk Begoli, Abdulrahman Salja, Zana Nimani, Dzevad Prekazi, Aziz Salihu, Memet Bogojevci, etc.).

@cry me a river: You have either never lived in SFRJ or you deliberately lie hoping that people who did not live in SFRJ will believe in what you have written. They had as much power as any Serb, Croat, Slovenian etc. had when executing these functions. No more and no less.

disgusted american, 3 May 2013 23:54)
Even if true, great resource!