Dačić says "there'll be no referendum" on deal

Shoving this down everyone's throat is not good for you Mr Dacic.
Maybe you don't want to be re elected. Maybe your Swiss account has enough blood dollars already and you won't need to face your people any more.

You will go down in history as a traitor who betrayed Serbia. Nobody before has done anything like it before. You are truly a trailblazer.

Serbia in its way to recognize Kosova .. Finally we start to see peace in the balkans.

Kosova is independent as has no reason to be or becoma an part of Serbia or some other country. This must be respected and accepted. History is going forward and not backward.

Just think about how wonderful the Balkan region would have been if the countrys and the people would live in peace and harmony. It would be the best place on earth from my point of view.

Life is to short for an human to live in hate and be in war with an other human. And for what ?

(Zoran, 1 May 2013 11:00)

Don't you miss the DS times Zoran? When there was no agreement. Don't you miss poor Stefanovic who got so much mud thrown at him by the same people who are in power today?

Hey, at least we have "Nikolic, Dacic & Vucic" on board! As for the Serb minority within Kosova, they soon will have no choice, but to also come on board as well, or they will all join A. Vulin and resign with him!
Welcome aboard the luxury cruise liner Kosova, were we will make your dreams come true!!!

Well, there is no legitimacy in accepting the ultimatum and this government has no right to sell KiM. They neither have a mandate nor do the people accept it. They are full of spin, turning against Serbia and Serbs, while pointing the finger at Kosovo Serbs and using scare tactics like Albanians. Every survey where citizens were asked to choose Kosovo or the EU, they have always overwhelmingly chosen KiM.

So, I'm not surprised it has come to this. This is exactly what I have been informed would happen. For those denying that Serbia is under occupation, I would like to see them deny it now. After the initial positive rhetoric coming from this government, there was nothing new when it came to implementing the agenda of the occupiers.

Also, as we will all see, the person who did all the negotiating with the occupation is not Dacic but rather Nikolic. These photos we see of Nikolic in Israel in front of "Jasenovac" is just a cover. Dacic will end up arrested soon enough, wait and see. He is the fall guy.

The only option we have now is the reject the ultimatum and to reject this government. That will wake up the EU. As mentioned, without executive powers for Serbs, a fair compromise has not been achieved.

Why are we not surprised ? democratic dictatorship ?

This guy is not only a traitor of nis nation he's also stupid. He's so stupid that a new word has to be invented only to characterize his level of stupidity. Holding a referendum would be a great way for him to redeem himself and hide behind the will of the people. If the people approved of the Kosovo agreement, he would be a winner, the Kosovo Serbs would be isolated and noone would have the right to call him a traitor because that guilt would necessarily be selective. This way people who now easily accuse him of treason would have to put their money where their mouth is and vote against the agreement facing the consequences. If the people rejected the agreement then he would say that he as a democratic politician had turned to the people giving them the opportunity to decide on sush a crucial national issue. Either way he would have saved his face by sharing responsibility with his compatriots but he's so stupid he can't realize even that.

Can we now get back to rebuilding Serbia please? Job Creation, foreign investments, paying off debt, increasing tourism.

Referendum on having a referendum NOW!!!!!

Oh well...it's expected. The Serbian Govt is floundering in the high seas of politics. Let the Govt step down, forget the EU and Kosovo, and elect those who will serve the people...but who???

You will go down in history as a traitor who betrayed Serbia. Nobody before has done anything like it before. You are truly a trailblazer.
(Peggy, 1 May 2013 10:41)


Wrong Peggy from Ausi,
Finally somebody had the guts to set the course of history on right track. Serbia has reached a dead end street, and somebody had to make the hard decisions, and I applaud Dacic for having the guts to tell Serb nation, about celebrating defeats all the time.

I want to say LUCKY CROATIA! They don't have a crazy albanian population in the south which would broke away from them, they don't have a big gypsy population, they were never bombed by nato, they don't have a name dispute with greece, they don't have crazy nationalists that hinder the country's progress, they have a long coast to the adriatic sea, they don't need to hate americans or even russians for that matter, they are not the trash can of italian garbage, they were never the north korea of europe, they were never ruled by a crazy communist man called Enver Hoxha, they have the best economy among the western balkan nations, they don't have 2 entities and 3 presidents, they manufacture their own trains and trams, they don't need to obtain a visa to go to 120 countries including canada and australia (and soon the USA), they have an excellent football team, they do very well in summer and winter olympics, they don't have 2 writing systems in their language, their country is very safe and peaceful, they don't have a bad reputation anywhere in the world! Montenegro is also becoming lucky now after they broke away from a mischance country but the curse they had needs some time to go away!

What is so precious about Kosovo? We need to completely forget Kosovo and move on to build Serbia. You know the position in which you need to expand your territory is if the territory you currently hold is top notch. If you have a building full of shit you should focus on cleaning that up instead of looking for another apartment that's in the same condition. There is no benefit whatsoever to hold on Kosovo. Whatever resources Kosovo has will be completely miiked by the vampire european bankers that are stealing the world. So th only logical explanation for even considering to hold on Kosovo is if you need the territory for settling. Serbia doesn't have a big populatution, it's own territory it's more than big enough to hold the current population in great spacing. The only reason so far that I see on why Kosovo is still being fought for us because of the complete bullshit dogma that we get installed from childhood as Serbians. Nationalism has to go and with idiocy. There's absolutely no chance and benefit for Serbia holding Kosovo, just the fact that USA has one of the biggest underground bases in the world in it tells you that there is absolutely no chance. Time to wake up and move on. Te foreign powers have played us like the violin. They destroyed the strong Yugoslavia through nationalism and inflation and put as at wars with each other. The reason for this was because Yugoslavia would be a threatening block to the European Union if it sided with Russia.Divide and conquer

"There'll be no referendum"

Great Dacic! Speaking like a true mini Slobo and a true European.
If you are on the side of the Americans and the euoropeans you will get away with murder. Serbia has become another democratic dictatorship! We fought against Americans and Germans only to become their slaves.

And how do you go about the constitutionality of it all ?

PM Dacic is correct that Serbia and Kosova both agreed to not block each others EU membership goals.

The only problem is North Kosovar-Serbs didn't agree to act civilized.

How does Dacic control a monster they themselves created but now comes back to haunt them?

Storm 2?

Don't you miss the DS times Zoran? When there was no agreement. Don't you miss poor Stefanovic who got so much mud thrown at him by the same people who are in power today?
(Reader, 1 May 2013 12:10)
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We still end up with the same result, just the theatrics are different. No Tadic repeating "we will never recognise Kosova*" and then caving in at the last minute. We now have Dacic repeating "we got the best we could" and then being a little dictator while the person responsible is in Israel pretending he has nothing to do with it.

Anyways, not to worry. In some ways, it's fortunate that negotiations were taken away from the UN and given to the EU. The scope of any perceived legitimacy is narrowed quite considerably. In reality, it has no legitimacy and can only be enforced through blackmail, force and pressure. That's what happens when dealing with ultimatums and corrupt politicians.

Ivica Dačić has rejected the possibility of the holding of the referendum on the Brussels agreement reached with Priština.

B92

I didn't think so since you've already agreed not to hold one.Dacic is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.He could be in front of an open goal and he'd still miss. He still doesn’t realise the bankers-dominated EU is a one-way ratchet and the only way for Serbia to retain nationhood and manage its own affairs is to stay out.

I applaud Dacic for having the guts to tell Serb nation, about celebrating defeats all the time.
(the truth, 1 May 2013 13:43)
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We will always celebrate our defeats otherwise we wouldn't eventually end up victorious, as we always have and will.

Once again, all I will say is what a great shame we didn't come to an acceptable compromise. If we did, we could all move on and focus on improving the lives for all decent people.

If Dacic is so sure the Serbian people will vote for the "agreement," and according to him, this is reflected in the polls, then why not have a referendum if he is so sure to win? It would only validate his position and enhance his political stature. The reality is that this sellout knows what the outcome WILL BE, therefore, let's find an excuse to push this deal through. Dacic is not so much of a disappointment, he will turn against his own mother for power, however, I for one expected more from Vucic. Nikolic, I won't even consider that spineless coward. He's in Isreal while his country is being ripped apart.

I think that referendum is not an option since a majority of the people will say “yes” to the agreement.

@Zoran, you will always end up with the same result because those are the only good politics for serbia! When will you get it??

@the truth: It is easy and pleasant to remember a victory, but the real thing is to treasure a memory of a defeat. Kosovo Battle was ultimate defeat and yet we were back thanks to the memory of this defeat. I am sorry, but we will be back again. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day. I know that you know it. I am sorry man, it has to be.

'Also, as we will all see, the person who did all the negotiating with the occupation is not Dacic but rather Nikolic'

Its a shame then Zoran that you voted for the man selling out Kosovo. That does make you partially responsible.

As for the occupation point, nobody can deny that Serbia with Kosovo within its borders is occupied by international troops. And nobody can deny that Slobodan Milosevic signed Kumanovo to allow this to happen.

Only you were impressed by what you call the 'initial positive rhetoric' coming from the government. You may be impressed by words but others realise immediately that SNS/SPS would sell Kosovo down the river much more quickly and completely than the previous lot.
(bganon, 1 May 2013 17:22)

Remind us who you voted for? I keep asking yet you keep avoiding giving an answer. You have internet balls to bash people for who they voted for yet you are too big of a coward to let us know who you gave your vote(s) to

I think it's obvious that bganon and the self-hating Serb Danilo voted for Ceda Jovanovic. If Ceda was in power he would have given the KLA terrorist organ snatchers a UN seat and broken off ties with Republika Srpska - which would have made these two brainwashed Otporists ecstatic.
Daciq is a complete idiot, as thanais put it, and has no morals or principles, he's simply a stupid man who is easily corrupted - just the kind of politician the West loves because they are easy to control. He's a waste of skin. The NATO war criminals despise principled men who can't be bought like Kostunica. I expect nothing but the worst from an opportunistic commie scumbag like Daciq, and one day I think he'll wind up like Djindjic.
I will say this though, and you albo trolls who pollute this site daily should be listening, as bad as this deal is, you still won't get a UN seat, which means you're officialy NOT a country. This allows Serbia to claim the land later, legaly, when the geopolitical situation is more in our favour :). Think about that boys and girls. The day of reckoning is coming.

Cheers!!

Remind us who you voted for?
(???, 1 May 2013 18:35)


Remind us how this is your business.

I Saw a Vision !.

" A Woman called Victoria(pobednica),
did make me notice a red House.
Smoke was coming out of every Window in the House,
so it was obviously burning on the inside" !.

Comment -

I think every - "Political Right and Left-Hearted Individual"- would understand what this Vision could mean.

Arn.Sweden.

(Komatoza, 1 May 2013 17:48)

Bog ti Pogomo !.

Arn.Sweden.

What is this crap about the polls agreeing with the deal. I have yet to read one. Can someone please tell me, what kind of pressure are these guys receiving from the west that would make them betray their country? I ask this question seriously because I do not understand?

Anyways, not to worry.
(Zoran, 1 May 2013 14:24)

Nope, no worries, keep up the optimism and good spirit. Everything is gonna be just fine.

Right ???, if you want to know which presidential candidate I voted for then go back and check on this site. I don't spoon feed, particularly with people who don't have any serious point to make. But I didn't vote for the current President and government which is about to sign away Kosovo. I assume you didn't bother to report to your nearest North American embassy to vote for those selling Kosovo out?

Now, remind me what my voting preference has to do with Nikolic or government policy on Kosovo? You might want to remember that it isn't me who is selling Kosovo down the river.

Te foreign powers have played us like the violin. They destroyed the strong Yugoslavia through nationalism and inflation and put as at wars with each other. The reason for this was because Yugoslavia would be a threatening block to the European Union if it sided with Russia.Divide and conquer
(Ivan, 1 May 2013 18:53)

If your theory is that Yugoslavia was destroyed because the foreign powers have played you like the violin, it means that it still is your fault for Yugoslavia's destruction because you allowed yourself to be played like the violin by others. Stop blaming others for all your ills... it does not do you any good!

Remind us how this is your business.
(Danilo, 1 May 2013 18:57)

What part of my question did you not understand? He is allowed to bash posters for who they voted for yet hides who he voted for? A lot of these albo trolls are making silly comments yet you once again go after Serbs, why is that?

'Also, as we will all see, the person who did all the negotiating with the occupation is not Dacic but rather Nikolic'

Its a shame then Zoran that you voted for the man selling out Kosovo. That does make you partially responsible.

As for the occupation point, nobody can deny that Serbia with Kosovo within its borders is occupied by international troops. And nobody can deny that Slobodan Milosevic signed Kumanovo to allow this to happen.

Only you were impressed by what you call the 'initial positive rhetoric' coming from the government. You may be impressed by words but others realise immediately that SNS/SPS would sell Kosovo down the river much more quickly and completely than the previous lot.

Its a shame then Zoran that you voted for the man selling out Kosovo. That does make you partially responsible.
(bganon, 1 May 2013 17:22)
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Not really, you should go back and check why I voted. In fact, I voted DSS in the last election and only voted in the presidential election to neutralise your Tadic vote. Remember, you thought it was bizarre?

I wasn't going to vote in the presidential election and neither were you. Someone here pissed you off so you decided to go and vote Tadic. I would simply neutralised your vote. Either way, it wouldn't have mattered because the vote was manipulated anyway. The EU had enough of Tadic and his poor leadership.

Peggy you are more intelligent than to believe politicians - as are most Serbs. Like all voters they chose what they believed to be the lesser of two evils or to be more precise they had enough of the previous government (which they rightly saw as ineffective) and Nikolic's SNS seemed like a change and those people (former SRS) no longer held extreme views that some Serbs could not stomach.

People with experience of previous elections or those who study the subject look at the indicators, not at the lies. The degree of victory, how capable party diplomats are, who officials were meeting with behind closed doors, how weak the opposition, signals from abroad etc. The signs were all there that this is / was a prime opportunity for a 'deal' on Kosovo that would not be a good one for Serbia.

Zoran I voted for Tadic in the Pres election not for a trivial reason that somebody upset me here - thats what you did. I voted for Tadic in disgust against the supposed electoral fraud, which SNS and its followers said would be investigated and proved. As soon as Nikolic won the election the election fraud was forgotten and swept under the carpet. In your enthusiasm to be rid of DS you believed it though didn't you?

You sow what you reap Zoran, you may have voted Nikolic just because of me (rather than because of an issue), but that doesn't matter. You despise Nikolic but voted him in. You look like a fool now and bear a share of responsibility for selling out of Kosovo.

You know Sach, I heard a lot about Nikolic and what he has agreed to. So far it has pretty much gone that way. It was three weeks ago that I mentioned the agreement would only include some form of "autonomy" for the north. Nikolic agreed to this two years ago. He also has other plans in store, to be realised by the end of 2014.

As for Daciq, I kind of feel sorry for him. He has the crappy job now and is absorbing all the blame. In the end, they will dump him and he'll end up like Miskovic. Nobody will care either, as he is the fall guy for the situation in KiM.

The real culprit is Nikolic and it has been very interesting to see how the media/occupation is manipulating this. The theatrics of the whole process is really clear to me now. Seeing Nikolic in Israel, with priests and professional photographers painting a nice image of him whereas Daciq is acting like a little dictator. Everything is being set-up nicely.

As for the elections, don't you realise it was manipulated in the same way? Tadic was a spent rod and the EU had enough of his poor leadership. As for Nikolic, I did have some hope, even though I was made aware of his intentions. I thought he might outsmart them in some way. The DSS endorsed him as president on the understanding that no changes will be made to the constitution without their agreement.

Anyway, both are the same. It doesn't matter whether Tadic or Nikolic won. We would still be here, just different paths.

Storm 2?
(azir, 1 May 2013 20:45)
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You are a funny guy. Who is going to participate in Storm 2?
Talk about the tail trying to wag the dog. Get real.

Only you were impressed by what you call the 'initial positive rhetoric' coming from the government.
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To be fair we can only made decisions based on information we have at the time.
Celarly these sellouts lied before election and lied big. They kept the lie going for a long time and it's normal that they would have convinced many of their determination to hold onto Kosovo.
We have the exact same situation here. Labor lied before election. Ms Gillard said in no uncertain terms that "there will be no carbo tax under my government". Well now we have it. Claarly she had no mandate to implement it and when put in those words many believed her.

For that she will be a very high price come September.
I am sure the same can be said of Nikolic.

People voted for Nikolic becuase he was a clear distinction to Tadic on the issue of Kosovo. You can't blame people to believing him then. If they vote for him and the rest of them again then you can say people are stupid.
You know the old saying 'fool me once etc.'.

It's ironic how the same government that was spoiling kosovo serbs, paying them double salaries and doing everything they could so they don't turn to prishtina institutions are doing the exact opposite now...

How does Dacic control a monster they themselves created but now comes back to haunt them?

Storm 2?
(azir, 1 May 2013 20:45)

What do you think Dacic should do with KSerbs? Storm them to make them leave Kosovo and go to central Serbia as refugees?

BTW you agitate for war (storm), isn't it forbidden?

Finally, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" (read apparatchiks of the SPS) have shown their true authoritarian "red army" styled colour. They are hell-bent on preventing any meddling by the common Serbian peoples into the Eurocrats grand "fourth Reich" plans. The "Polit-bureau" of the SPS are getting ready to run down the Serbian people like tanks on Tiananmen Square, and elect themselves a new "Homo Europeanus" people instead of these damn stubborn Serbs.
It's time to undress these self appointed SPS emperors, as the liers they are.

The only problem is North Kosovar-Serbs didn't agree to act civilized.

How does Dacic control a monster they themselves created but now comes back to haunt them?

Storm 2?
(azir, 1 May 2013 20:45)

Kosovo Serbs act civilized. Supposed agreement is against their interest, so they struggle against it, what's wrong with it?

I understand you want Serbs to fight their fellow Serbs.

I think a referendum would be a good idea, even if it cost 8 million euros. A convincing win would make it easier to convince the Serb leaders in the north that it's time to change direction, or to get out and let the people there choose new leaders.

The problem is the date by which implementation has to occur. The EU is not going to rejigger its schedule just to accommodate Serbia's need to check whether they will be allowed by a referendum to comply with an agreement ratified by their parliament. No hard feelings, of course, but if Serbia misses the train, there won't be another for months or maybe a couple of years (depending on other countries' election schedules.)

While Serbia is waiting for another chance, Kosovo will be making steady progress. They've already signed their first bilateral agreement with an EU country, three of The Five are hinting about recognition, it's been admitted to 22 EU associations at the same level as candidate-country Serbia ... And this is before Ashton's final report. The two countries are going to be treated individually - Serbia's failure will not affect Kosovo.

So despite my sentimental wish that there could be a referendum - Let the People Be Heard! and all that - I reluctantly conclude that there probably isn't time. Some times you just have to cross your fingers and hope that your elected government has made the right decision.

@(aaayyy).............
You asked what is wrong with North Kosovar-Serbs struggling with this agreeement that is "against their interests".
You are correct it is not in the 1% interest.........

NOW WHAT ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE OTHER 99% IN SERBIA PEOPER?

I WANT NO ONE "TO FIGHT".
My question remains how does Serbia that created this problem solve it.

Since you asked what Dacic should do with the K-Serbs I suggest communication and best effort to come to an agreement.this was do by Kosovars and Belgrade...it could also be done amongst Serbs.
If North Kosovar-Serbs refuse reality and the goals of the 99% then they must suffer the consquences by blocking pensions,salaries,money transfers,no income to any North K-Serbs

Storm (prompt evacuation) means physical relocation to a safe place in Serbia.Serbia is must experienced in these activities so there should be no problems.

Krajiana Serbs is a good example .

Peggy I was referring to Dacic statement where he said North Kosova-Serbs might experience a "storm".

This problem was created and must be solved by Belgrade or else Kosova has their own means of communicating.

I suggest they come to a quick agreement amongst themselves will it is pleasant to do so.

Shoving this down everyone's throat is not good for you Mr Dacic.
Maybe you don't want to be re elected. Maybe your Swiss account has enough blood dollars already and you won't need to face your people any more.

You will go down in history as a traitor who betrayed Serbia. Nobody before has done anything like it before. You are truly a trailblazer.

I want to say LUCKY CROATIA! They don't have a crazy albanian population in the south which would broke away from them, they don't have a big gypsy population, they were never bombed by nato, they don't have a name dispute with greece, they don't have crazy nationalists that hinder the country's progress, they have a long coast to the adriatic sea, they don't need to hate americans or even russians for that matter, they are not the trash can of italian garbage, they were never the north korea of europe, they were never ruled by a crazy communist man called Enver Hoxha, they have the best economy among the western balkan nations, they don't have 2 entities and 3 presidents, they manufacture their own trains and trams, they don't need to obtain a visa to go to 120 countries including canada and australia (and soon the USA), they have an excellent football team, they do very well in summer and winter olympics, they don't have 2 writing systems in their language, their country is very safe and peaceful, they don't have a bad reputation anywhere in the world! Montenegro is also becoming lucky now after they broke away from a mischance country but the curse they had needs some time to go away!

Serbia in its way to recognize Kosova .. Finally we start to see peace in the balkans.

Kosova is independent as has no reason to be or becoma an part of Serbia or some other country. This must be respected and accepted. History is going forward and not backward.

Just think about how wonderful the Balkan region would have been if the countrys and the people would live in peace and harmony. It would be the best place on earth from my point of view.

Life is to short for an human to live in hate and be in war with an other human. And for what ?

Hey, at least we have "Nikolic, Dacic & Vucic" on board! As for the Serb minority within Kosova, they soon will have no choice, but to also come on board as well, or they will all join A. Vulin and resign with him!
Welcome aboard the luxury cruise liner Kosova, were we will make your dreams come true!!!

Well, there is no legitimacy in accepting the ultimatum and this government has no right to sell KiM. They neither have a mandate nor do the people accept it. They are full of spin, turning against Serbia and Serbs, while pointing the finger at Kosovo Serbs and using scare tactics like Albanians. Every survey where citizens were asked to choose Kosovo or the EU, they have always overwhelmingly chosen KiM.

So, I'm not surprised it has come to this. This is exactly what I have been informed would happen. For those denying that Serbia is under occupation, I would like to see them deny it now. After the initial positive rhetoric coming from this government, there was nothing new when it came to implementing the agenda of the occupiers.

Also, as we will all see, the person who did all the negotiating with the occupation is not Dacic but rather Nikolic. These photos we see of Nikolic in Israel in front of "Jasenovac" is just a cover. Dacic will end up arrested soon enough, wait and see. He is the fall guy.

The only option we have now is the reject the ultimatum and to reject this government. That will wake up the EU. As mentioned, without executive powers for Serbs, a fair compromise has not been achieved.

Can we now get back to rebuilding Serbia please? Job Creation, foreign investments, paying off debt, increasing tourism.

Why are we not surprised ? democratic dictatorship ?

What is so precious about Kosovo? We need to completely forget Kosovo and move on to build Serbia. You know the position in which you need to expand your territory is if the territory you currently hold is top notch. If you have a building full of shit you should focus on cleaning that up instead of looking for another apartment that's in the same condition. There is no benefit whatsoever to hold on Kosovo. Whatever resources Kosovo has will be completely miiked by the vampire european bankers that are stealing the world. So th only logical explanation for even considering to hold on Kosovo is if you need the territory for settling. Serbia doesn't have a big populatution, it's own territory it's more than big enough to hold the current population in great spacing. The only reason so far that I see on why Kosovo is still being fought for us because of the complete bullshit dogma that we get installed from childhood as Serbians. Nationalism has to go and with idiocy. There's absolutely no chance and benefit for Serbia holding Kosovo, just the fact that USA has one of the biggest underground bases in the world in it tells you that there is absolutely no chance. Time to wake up and move on. Te foreign powers have played us like the violin. They destroyed the strong Yugoslavia through nationalism and inflation and put as at wars with each other. The reason for this was because Yugoslavia would be a threatening block to the European Union if it sided with Russia.Divide and conquer

"There'll be no referendum"

Great Dacic! Speaking like a true mini Slobo and a true European.
If you are on the side of the Americans and the euoropeans you will get away with murder. Serbia has become another democratic dictatorship! We fought against Americans and Germans only to become their slaves.

Remind us who you voted for?
(???, 1 May 2013 18:35)


Remind us how this is your business.

Referendum on having a referendum NOW!!!!!

Oh well...it's expected. The Serbian Govt is floundering in the high seas of politics. Let the Govt step down, forget the EU and Kosovo, and elect those who will serve the people...but who???

You will go down in history as a traitor who betrayed Serbia. Nobody before has done anything like it before. You are truly a trailblazer.
(Peggy, 1 May 2013 10:41)


Wrong Peggy from Ausi,
Finally somebody had the guts to set the course of history on right track. Serbia has reached a dead end street, and somebody had to make the hard decisions, and I applaud Dacic for having the guts to tell Serb nation, about celebrating defeats all the time.

And how do you go about the constitutionality of it all ?

I think that referendum is not an option since a majority of the people will say “yes” to the agreement.

I applaud Dacic for having the guts to tell Serb nation, about celebrating defeats all the time.
(the truth, 1 May 2013 13:43)
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We will always celebrate our defeats otherwise we wouldn't eventually end up victorious, as we always have and will.

Once again, all I will say is what a great shame we didn't come to an acceptable compromise. If we did, we could all move on and focus on improving the lives for all decent people.

@Zoran, you will always end up with the same result because those are the only good politics for serbia! When will you get it??

What is this crap about the polls agreeing with the deal. I have yet to read one. Can someone please tell me, what kind of pressure are these guys receiving from the west that would make them betray their country? I ask this question seriously because I do not understand?

'Also, as we will all see, the person who did all the negotiating with the occupation is not Dacic but rather Nikolic'

Its a shame then Zoran that you voted for the man selling out Kosovo. That does make you partially responsible.

As for the occupation point, nobody can deny that Serbia with Kosovo within its borders is occupied by international troops. And nobody can deny that Slobodan Milosevic signed Kumanovo to allow this to happen.

Only you were impressed by what you call the 'initial positive rhetoric' coming from the government. You may be impressed by words but others realise immediately that SNS/SPS would sell Kosovo down the river much more quickly and completely than the previous lot.

This guy is not only a traitor of nis nation he's also stupid. He's so stupid that a new word has to be invented only to characterize his level of stupidity. Holding a referendum would be a great way for him to redeem himself and hide behind the will of the people. If the people approved of the Kosovo agreement, he would be a winner, the Kosovo Serbs would be isolated and noone would have the right to call him a traitor because that guilt would necessarily be selective. This way people who now easily accuse him of treason would have to put their money where their mouth is and vote against the agreement facing the consequences. If the people rejected the agreement then he would say that he as a democratic politician had turned to the people giving them the opportunity to decide on sush a crucial national issue. Either way he would have saved his face by sharing responsibility with his compatriots but he's so stupid he can't realize even that.

Anyways, not to worry.
(Zoran, 1 May 2013 14:24)

Nope, no worries, keep up the optimism and good spirit. Everything is gonna be just fine.

I think it's obvious that bganon and the self-hating Serb Danilo voted for Ceda Jovanovic. If Ceda was in power he would have given the KLA terrorist organ snatchers a UN seat and broken off ties with Republika Srpska - which would have made these two brainwashed Otporists ecstatic.
Daciq is a complete idiot, as thanais put it, and has no morals or principles, he's simply a stupid man who is easily corrupted - just the kind of politician the West loves because they are easy to control. He's a waste of skin. The NATO war criminals despise principled men who can't be bought like Kostunica. I expect nothing but the worst from an opportunistic commie scumbag like Daciq, and one day I think he'll wind up like Djindjic.
I will say this though, and you albo trolls who pollute this site daily should be listening, as bad as this deal is, you still won't get a UN seat, which means you're officialy NOT a country. This allows Serbia to claim the land later, legaly, when the geopolitical situation is more in our favour :). Think about that boys and girls. The day of reckoning is coming.

Cheers!!

Don't you miss the DS times Zoran? When there was no agreement. Don't you miss poor Stefanovic who got so much mud thrown at him by the same people who are in power today?
(Reader, 1 May 2013 12:10)
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We still end up with the same result, just the theatrics are different. No Tadic repeating "we will never recognise Kosova*" and then caving in at the last minute. We now have Dacic repeating "we got the best we could" and then being a little dictator while the person responsible is in Israel pretending he has nothing to do with it.

Anyways, not to worry. In some ways, it's fortunate that negotiations were taken away from the UN and given to the EU. The scope of any perceived legitimacy is narrowed quite considerably. In reality, it has no legitimacy and can only be enforced through blackmail, force and pressure. That's what happens when dealing with ultimatums and corrupt politicians.

@the truth: It is easy and pleasant to remember a victory, but the real thing is to treasure a memory of a defeat. Kosovo Battle was ultimate defeat and yet we were back thanks to the memory of this defeat. I am sorry, but we will be back again. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day. I know that you know it. I am sorry man, it has to be.

'Also, as we will all see, the person who did all the negotiating with the occupation is not Dacic but rather Nikolic'

Its a shame then Zoran that you voted for the man selling out Kosovo. That does make you partially responsible.

As for the occupation point, nobody can deny that Serbia with Kosovo within its borders is occupied by international troops. And nobody can deny that Slobodan Milosevic signed Kumanovo to allow this to happen.

Only you were impressed by what you call the 'initial positive rhetoric' coming from the government. You may be impressed by words but others realise immediately that SNS/SPS would sell Kosovo down the river much more quickly and completely than the previous lot.
(bganon, 1 May 2013 17:22)

Remind us who you voted for? I keep asking yet you keep avoiding giving an answer. You have internet balls to bash people for who they voted for yet you are too big of a coward to let us know who you gave your vote(s) to

(Zoran, 1 May 2013 11:00)

Don't you miss the DS times Zoran? When there was no agreement. Don't you miss poor Stefanovic who got so much mud thrown at him by the same people who are in power today?

(Komatoza, 1 May 2013 17:48)

Bog ti Pogomo !.

Arn.Sweden.

Remind us how this is your business.
(Danilo, 1 May 2013 18:57)

What part of my question did you not understand? He is allowed to bash posters for who they voted for yet hides who he voted for? A lot of these albo trolls are making silly comments yet you once again go after Serbs, why is that?

Peggy you are more intelligent than to believe politicians - as are most Serbs. Like all voters they chose what they believed to be the lesser of two evils or to be more precise they had enough of the previous government (which they rightly saw as ineffective) and Nikolic's SNS seemed like a change and those people (former SRS) no longer held extreme views that some Serbs could not stomach.

People with experience of previous elections or those who study the subject look at the indicators, not at the lies. The degree of victory, how capable party diplomats are, who officials were meeting with behind closed doors, how weak the opposition, signals from abroad etc. The signs were all there that this is / was a prime opportunity for a 'deal' on Kosovo that would not be a good one for Serbia.

Zoran I voted for Tadic in the Pres election not for a trivial reason that somebody upset me here - thats what you did. I voted for Tadic in disgust against the supposed electoral fraud, which SNS and its followers said would be investigated and proved. As soon as Nikolic won the election the election fraud was forgotten and swept under the carpet. In your enthusiasm to be rid of DS you believed it though didn't you?

You sow what you reap Zoran, you may have voted Nikolic just because of me (rather than because of an issue), but that doesn't matter. You despise Nikolic but voted him in. You look like a fool now and bear a share of responsibility for selling out of Kosovo.

Ivica Dačić has rejected the possibility of the holding of the referendum on the Brussels agreement reached with Priština.

B92

I didn't think so since you've already agreed not to hold one.Dacic is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.He could be in front of an open goal and he'd still miss. He still doesn’t realise the bankers-dominated EU is a one-way ratchet and the only way for Serbia to retain nationhood and manage its own affairs is to stay out.

I Saw a Vision !.

" A Woman called Victoria(pobednica),
did make me notice a red House.
Smoke was coming out of every Window in the House,
so it was obviously burning on the inside" !.

Comment -

I think every - "Political Right and Left-Hearted Individual"- would understand what this Vision could mean.

Arn.Sweden.

PM Dacic is correct that Serbia and Kosova both agreed to not block each others EU membership goals.

The only problem is North Kosovar-Serbs didn't agree to act civilized.

How does Dacic control a monster they themselves created but now comes back to haunt them?

Storm 2?

Te foreign powers have played us like the violin. They destroyed the strong Yugoslavia through nationalism and inflation and put as at wars with each other. The reason for this was because Yugoslavia would be a threatening block to the European Union if it sided with Russia.Divide and conquer
(Ivan, 1 May 2013 18:53)

If your theory is that Yugoslavia was destroyed because the foreign powers have played you like the violin, it means that it still is your fault for Yugoslavia's destruction because you allowed yourself to be played like the violin by others. Stop blaming others for all your ills... it does not do you any good!

I think a referendum would be a good idea, even if it cost 8 million euros. A convincing win would make it easier to convince the Serb leaders in the north that it's time to change direction, or to get out and let the people there choose new leaders.

The problem is the date by which implementation has to occur. The EU is not going to rejigger its schedule just to accommodate Serbia's need to check whether they will be allowed by a referendum to comply with an agreement ratified by their parliament. No hard feelings, of course, but if Serbia misses the train, there won't be another for months or maybe a couple of years (depending on other countries' election schedules.)

While Serbia is waiting for another chance, Kosovo will be making steady progress. They've already signed their first bilateral agreement with an EU country, three of The Five are hinting about recognition, it's been admitted to 22 EU associations at the same level as candidate-country Serbia ... And this is before Ashton's final report. The two countries are going to be treated individually - Serbia's failure will not affect Kosovo.

So despite my sentimental wish that there could be a referendum - Let the People Be Heard! and all that - I reluctantly conclude that there probably isn't time. Some times you just have to cross your fingers and hope that your elected government has made the right decision.

@(aaayyy).............
You asked what is wrong with North Kosovar-Serbs struggling with this agreeement that is "against their interests".
You are correct it is not in the 1% interest.........

NOW WHAT ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE OTHER 99% IN SERBIA PEOPER?

I WANT NO ONE "TO FIGHT".
My question remains how does Serbia that created this problem solve it.

Since you asked what Dacic should do with the K-Serbs I suggest communication and best effort to come to an agreement.this was do by Kosovars and Belgrade...it could also be done amongst Serbs.
If North Kosovar-Serbs refuse reality and the goals of the 99% then they must suffer the consquences by blocking pensions,salaries,money transfers,no income to any North K-Serbs

Storm (prompt evacuation) means physical relocation to a safe place in Serbia.Serbia is must experienced in these activities so there should be no problems.

Krajiana Serbs is a good example .

If Dacic is so sure the Serbian people will vote for the "agreement," and according to him, this is reflected in the polls, then why not have a referendum if he is so sure to win? It would only validate his position and enhance his political stature. The reality is that this sellout knows what the outcome WILL BE, therefore, let's find an excuse to push this deal through. Dacic is not so much of a disappointment, he will turn against his own mother for power, however, I for one expected more from Vucic. Nikolic, I won't even consider that spineless coward. He's in Isreal while his country is being ripped apart.

Its a shame then Zoran that you voted for the man selling out Kosovo. That does make you partially responsible.
(bganon, 1 May 2013 17:22)
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Not really, you should go back and check why I voted. In fact, I voted DSS in the last election and only voted in the presidential election to neutralise your Tadic vote. Remember, you thought it was bizarre?

I wasn't going to vote in the presidential election and neither were you. Someone here pissed you off so you decided to go and vote Tadic. I would simply neutralised your vote. Either way, it wouldn't have mattered because the vote was manipulated anyway. The EU had enough of Tadic and his poor leadership.

Storm 2?
(azir, 1 May 2013 20:45)
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You are a funny guy. Who is going to participate in Storm 2?
Talk about the tail trying to wag the dog. Get real.

Peggy I was referring to Dacic statement where he said North Kosova-Serbs might experience a "storm".

This problem was created and must be solved by Belgrade or else Kosova has their own means of communicating.

I suggest they come to a quick agreement amongst themselves will it is pleasant to do so.

Only you were impressed by what you call the 'initial positive rhetoric' coming from the government.
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To be fair we can only made decisions based on information we have at the time.
Celarly these sellouts lied before election and lied big. They kept the lie going for a long time and it's normal that they would have convinced many of their determination to hold onto Kosovo.
We have the exact same situation here. Labor lied before election. Ms Gillard said in no uncertain terms that "there will be no carbo tax under my government". Well now we have it. Claarly she had no mandate to implement it and when put in those words many believed her.

For that she will be a very high price come September.
I am sure the same can be said of Nikolic.

People voted for Nikolic becuase he was a clear distinction to Tadic on the issue of Kosovo. You can't blame people to believing him then. If they vote for him and the rest of them again then you can say people are stupid.
You know the old saying 'fool me once etc.'.

It's ironic how the same government that was spoiling kosovo serbs, paying them double salaries and doing everything they could so they don't turn to prishtina institutions are doing the exact opposite now...

Right ???, if you want to know which presidential candidate I voted for then go back and check on this site. I don't spoon feed, particularly with people who don't have any serious point to make. But I didn't vote for the current President and government which is about to sign away Kosovo. I assume you didn't bother to report to your nearest North American embassy to vote for those selling Kosovo out?

Now, remind me what my voting preference has to do with Nikolic or government policy on Kosovo? You might want to remember that it isn't me who is selling Kosovo down the river.

The only problem is North Kosovar-Serbs didn't agree to act civilized.

How does Dacic control a monster they themselves created but now comes back to haunt them?

Storm 2?
(azir, 1 May 2013 20:45)

Kosovo Serbs act civilized. Supposed agreement is against their interest, so they struggle against it, what's wrong with it?

I understand you want Serbs to fight their fellow Serbs.

How does Dacic control a monster they themselves created but now comes back to haunt them?

Storm 2?
(azir, 1 May 2013 20:45)

What do you think Dacic should do with KSerbs? Storm them to make them leave Kosovo and go to central Serbia as refugees?

BTW you agitate for war (storm), isn't it forbidden?

Finally, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" (read apparatchiks of the SPS) have shown their true authoritarian "red army" styled colour. They are hell-bent on preventing any meddling by the common Serbian peoples into the Eurocrats grand "fourth Reich" plans. The "Polit-bureau" of the SPS are getting ready to run down the Serbian people like tanks on Tiananmen Square, and elect themselves a new "Homo Europeanus" people instead of these damn stubborn Serbs.
It's time to undress these self appointed SPS emperors, as the liers they are.

You know Sach, I heard a lot about Nikolic and what he has agreed to. So far it has pretty much gone that way. It was three weeks ago that I mentioned the agreement would only include some form of "autonomy" for the north. Nikolic agreed to this two years ago. He also has other plans in store, to be realised by the end of 2014.

As for Daciq, I kind of feel sorry for him. He has the crappy job now and is absorbing all the blame. In the end, they will dump him and he'll end up like Miskovic. Nobody will care either, as he is the fall guy for the situation in KiM.

The real culprit is Nikolic and it has been very interesting to see how the media/occupation is manipulating this. The theatrics of the whole process is really clear to me now. Seeing Nikolic in Israel, with priests and professional photographers painting a nice image of him whereas Daciq is acting like a little dictator. Everything is being set-up nicely.

As for the elections, don't you realise it was manipulated in the same way? Tadic was a spent rod and the EU had enough of his poor leadership. As for Nikolic, I did have some hope, even though I was made aware of his intentions. I thought he might outsmart them in some way. The DSS endorsed him as president on the understanding that no changes will be made to the constitution without their agreement.

Anyway, both are the same. It doesn't matter whether Tadic or Nikolic won. We would still be here, just different paths.