PM: We have chance to defend interests differently

It's scary when a Titoist fat commie traitor like Daciq is the one 'defending Serbian interests'. This guy is the most repuslive type of human, a pure opportunist who says different things depending on who are his audience, and will definitely sell his grandmother for a few schillings. Now let's watch the NATO war criminals and their quislings in Belgrade start the brainwashing campaign on why a democratic referendum is bad, uncalled for, and 'undemocratic'. These is truly Orwellian times we are living in.

Cheers!!

Clearly Serbians are confused and frustrated, Dacic said we should no longer celebrate defeats as we have for centuries.
WOW

One thing Serbians don't need is a sarcastic Albanian telling them how they feel. And Dacic was wrong by the way. Serbia was on the winning side in two of the most momentous conflicts in human history. Which is more than can be said for the Albanians.

Serbia should follow the example of the former communist countries of eastern europe that have joined the EU. Look at poland, hungary, slovenia, slovakia, czech republic, latvia, lithuania and estonia. Take a good look at those nations, especially poland which used to be such a poor nation. Now a small look at their capital warsaw gives someone the impression he is in paris or frankfourt! economic growth in eastern europe was so numorous that now those countries are not even considered eastern europe any more (as eastern europe means poverty!).

He added that the DSS MPs were a minority and that it did not mean that they were right but that they should respect the opinion of the majority and work in the interest of Serbia.
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Dacic is sounding more and more like the Albanians here. This government does not have a mandate to accept such an ultimatum so it must organise an unconditional referendum.

Since the stakes are so high, it is obvious the EU and US will meddle in this vote, so if it goes against KiM Serbs, they will have no choice but to declare independence themselves. Without executive powers, there is no way KiM Serbs will accept living under Pristina's rule. We have seen what Albanians have done to our churches and cemeteries. We have seen how Albanians get rewarded for murdering Serbs.

Bring on the referendum!

instead of celebrating defeats as we have been doing for centuries”.


Very true, and I am glad somebody has the guts to tell the truth as IS.

Now a small look at their capital warsaw gives someone the impression he is in paris or frankfourt! economic growth in eastern europe was so numorous that now those countries are not even considered eastern europe any more (as eastern europe means poverty!).
(Mark, 26 April 2013 13:46)
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LOL! Please take you head out of the sand. We can see the economic growth achieved in Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Ireland, Spain, UK, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Belgium, France, etc....

Unless you haven't read, the EU is in an economic crisis. It is a sinking Titanic with third class tickets remaining.

It would be pretty hard to argue that Bulgaria and Romania (and Poland, as mentioned. all small eastern european countries, in fact) aren't better off with the EU, Zoran.

If you disagree, could you explain?

Chief Economist, sj.

Some of your illustrations are off.

Poles working outside of poland sent back money. That, in turn helped build the local economy and Poles are returning because they can get good jobs in Poland

Estonia as a solid IT industry - they're not just picking fruit in France. Skype, that many of use use today, was and continues to be developed in Estonia.

Dacic said we should no longer celebrate defeats..... This should be the quote of the month, finally some Serb admitted that most of their victories are in reality defeats. Bravo Dacicu for telling the truth.

Zoran: "Without executive powers, there is no way KiM Serbs will accept living under Pristina's rule."

Yeah, every little girl wants to be a princess. However there's only one queen.
Since you think executive powers are a great thing, apply them in Presheva.

Maybe you've never been to Romania and Bulgaria? I've been and I can see that life is better in Serbia. Just my observation.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 16:13)

I have. My observations, talking to people, is that people earn more money, more younger people have jobs or are doing something entrepreneurial. More young people buying apartments for themselves also cheaper cost of living.

Admittedly I was in neither much (and only in Sofia and Timisoara) and just passing through. However, I didn't run into anyone, in either country, who thought they'd be better off out of the EU.

For both Romania and Bulgaria, the process of EU integration was a valuable blueprint for reducing corruption and improving their economies.

Life in Serbia? Yes in Vojvodina and in Belgrade its quite ok, but the rest?

The prime minister stressed that many opportunities had been missed, adding that this was an opportunity to “try to defend our interests in a different way, instead of celebrating defeats as we have been doing for centuries”.

Well said Dacic!

I agree with you Dacic Serbs are losers that celebrate out of insanity.

Dacic said we should no longer celebrate defeats..... This should be the quote of the month, finally some Serb admitted that most of their victories are in reality defeats. Bravo Dacicu for telling the truth.

(Mark, 26 April 2013 13:46)

Let’s look at the nations which used to be poor but are now bursting at the seams with wealth. Poland – like the Philippines its greatest earner is sending its qualified people outside to look for work. Perhaps you might ask the thousands now in the UK why they are returning to the bounty of Poland.
Hungary – on the edge of bankruptcy.
Slovenia – Mark are you joking? Where have you been these last couple of months? It’s the next to implode.
Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia – Is that the reason their professional people leave to work in jobs no Frenchman would do i.e. pick fruit or vegetables?????
Get a grip on reality. The good times are over and all that is left is huge debt.

Is the Serbia's PM Dacic reading my comments cause I predicted that if Serbs don't sign then STORM 2 IN KOSOVA would be best solution.

If you disagree, could you explain?
(Danilo, 26 April 2013 14:47)
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Maybe you've never been to Romania and Bulgaria? I've been and I can see that life is better in Serbia. Just my observation.

Maybe you've never been to Romania and Bulgaria? I've been and I can see that life is better in Serbia. Just my observation.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 16:13)

That is true, but he asked you about romania and bulgaria before and after, poland before and after joining the EU! Besides i personally don't think life in serbia is better than in any EU nation accept those 2 you have mentioned due to their very high population and low income.

Is the Serbia's PM Dacic reading my comments cause I predicted that if Serbs don't sign then STORM 2 IN KOSOVA would be best solution.

Hahahha

@Zoran and sj:
And what do you both suggest serbia does? Remain poor and isolated forever? They have a huge potential for growth and they should use it, the only way is through joining the EU. Then here's the real challenge, after you join the EU you should be carefull with loans you take, manage your debt well and everything will be just ok, you should also take into consideration any possibility in another global economic crisis, so you don't take more loans and head towards eventual bankruptsy. It's all about good management of finances which many southern european countries were bad at. Serbia will not live beyond its means, don't worry i think everyone learned from the PIIGS countries.

I agree with you Dacic Serbs are losers that celebrate out of insanity.

The Agreement is a victory that preserves Kosovo’s institutional, legal, and administrative unity and functionality, as Serbia has accepted Kosovo’s political system and constitutional order.

The Agreement puts an end to the 14 years of status quo in the north of Kosovo, an end to 14 years of lack of effective, democratic governance in the north of Kosovo, and an end to 14 years of institutional parallelism which has obstructed the integration and participation of Serb population in the north of Kosovo into the entire social and political process of Kosovo.

Serbia as a country is wiping their hands clean with regards to Kosova. Goodbye and good riddance!

I never like dacic and his former boss! but he deserves respect for his bravery and honesty!

"...and after the fact that a significant number of countries recognized the unilaterally and illegally declared independence,” the prime minister said.

No, the ICJ ruled that Kosovo's declaration of independence was legal, i.e. it doesn't violate any international law (because there is no law about an UDI, so any UDI by any group of people is legal), and doesn't violate UN1244, because the UDI was not made by any Kosovo official of the temporary Kosovo administration under UN1244.

Dacic says " we have been celebrating defeats for centuries".
Isnt this a huge wake up call for all serb nationalists to start to live in the world of reality?
If Dacic has realized that its time to wake up then every other serb should wale up and not celebrate defeats.
This is the reality that i was mentioning it here many many times but i was always accused of being anti-serb.
Well now even your primeminister said that its time to stop celebrating defeats.

Then here's the real challenge, after you join the EU you should be carefull with loans you take, manage your debt well and everything will be just ok...
(Mark, 26 April 2013 15:01)
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Well Mark, the EU and US have not been careful with their debt so we should not look up to them as our mentors. They are applying pressure on Serbia as they know their time is running out. Germany is sucking the life out of the EU and as history has shown, Germany will destroy Europe once again. Serbia should remain distant but history has shown that our politicians have sided with evil temporarily, however, the people have rejected it. Time for a referendum I think!

@Zoran, Well let serbia have it's reforms and all the benefits of EU integration till the country reaches EU standards in human rights, health care, transport, enviroment, education.. + the economic growth which come with it, then when negotiations are over people will vote in a referendum and choose their future by themselves, and you just relax. You like ukip then go to the UK and vote for them and let's see if they ever win...

Serbs should defend their interests like the UKIP. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVr51ePCg-g

"LOL! Please take you head out of the sand. We can see the economic growth achieved in Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Ireland, Spain, UK, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Belgium, France, etc.... "
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 14:20)

Funny. I guess you know that each and every of thecountries you mentioned is, despite some recession, still years (in case of France, ITaly, Beligum more like: lightyears) ahead of Serbia, regarding almost any standards and numbers.

Of course, from a base that is only 20% of the European average, Serbia can have a growth of, say, 5% a year (which it doesn't have, btw.), and it still will take decades until the EU average is reached.

Dacic has a lot of explaining to do. Did he really sign that agreement, or did they just tell him that he signed it when he really thought he was initialling it? Did he just cave in? That's what it sounds like in which case he is not competant to make speeches about what the implications of the agreement are.

An independent Kosovo ruling over Serbs will not mean prosperity for Serbs in Kosovo. It means they will driven out into worse economic conditions away from their homes and livelihoods. Whatever the living conditions of Serbs in Kosovo are, they are still better than Albanians in Kosovo. Will life be better for Serbs under the EU? What matters is that life is always going to be better in Serbia and for Serbs than it is in Albania for Albanians. The Albanians have a lot of problems standing in their way to better lives and none of it is the fault of the Serbs. Serbs suffer more at the hands of the Albanians than Albanians have suffered at the hands of the Serbs.

And what do the Serbs get with this so-called agreement? They don't get EU membership. They get a date for an interview for EU membership. EU membership is not even guaranteed at this point. What else are the going to have to surrender for actual EU membership? Isn't that where they are going to have to actually sign away Kosovo? And why stop there? Why not make giving up Presevo a condition? Why not Vojvedina?

Admittedly I was in neither much (and only in Sofia and Timisoara) and just passing through. However, I didn't run into anyone, in either country, who thought they'd be better off out of the EU.
(Danilo, 26 April 2013 16:31)
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I have seen both countries to a larger extent and I can say that Serbia does not differ much to Romania except Serbia has much better infrastructure while the Bulgarian country towns are bleak. Driving back into Serbia I saw life again. The reason they don't regret being in the EU (at least the younger generation) is a good way for them to escape.

It is a matter of, during communism, we had money but it was difficult to get everything but now we have everything and no money. Economic growth in the EU is built on debt.

(Mark, 26 April 2013 15:01)

I really get frustrated with people who espouse the greatness of the EU when it’s teetering on the edge of bankruptcy itself trying to help out the failing EU members. Do you actually believe that it’s the PIIGS that are in trouble? France is in a very serious situation and now the Germans are in recession with an expected growth rate for 2013 to be 0.3%.
The financial problems experienced by Serbia is because of the GFC. The US is now officially 110% of GDP in debt.
Stop reading EU CRAP and open your eyes.

Ivica Dačić one Serb in a million who sees and finally understands even has the brain power to acknowledge reality. Zoran Đinđić was a another imagine how far Serbia would be ahead if he was not murdered. Hope Serbia has turned the corner and it's not just another flash in the pan

As the Country shrinks ,Sad thing is how Media Buyers will pay less and less for add space on Serbian Media, pretty soon the add buys will only be the population of BG...next layoffs in media due to the"economic "down turn coming soon.

(Mark, 26 April 2013 15:01)

Are you joking? I’ve been to those wealthy parts of the EU in eastern Europe and have seen for myself the “wealth” they live in. Get real mate. What has happened to Bulgaria or Romania? Or even better Slovenia???????? Hello is anyone home or are the lights just left on to give the appearance of intelligence.
If there is another GFC, the EU will collapse. You talk about loans; well the EU members are more indebt than Serbia. Germany 80% of GDP, UK 82% of GDP; France 85% of GDP.

(Danilo, 26 April 2013 14:57)

Oh Lord! If there is one thing I learnt in all the years I have worked is that you can’t even legislate against stupidity.
:’’’’’ sent back money. That, in turn helped build the local economy..”
Well Einstein, it has not turned the Polish economy at all. Now clean the wax out of your ears and listen carefully. All it has done is made the Polish economy reliant on those funds – its economy has not expanded. There is a difference, go and read up on the Philippines; it’s the same principle.
After the GSF hit in 2008 thousands of Poles in the UK decided to stay because even as bad as it was there it was worse in Poland.
Yeah I have to admit that Skype has saved Estonia and it happiness is unlimited today. IT has saved Estonia? Ireland’s two major industries pre GFC were IT and real estate.

And why stop there? Why not make giving up Presevo a condition? Why not Vojvedina?
(Paul, 26 April 2013 22:59)

All in good time, my boy.

You talk about loans; well the EU members are more indebt than Serbia. Germany 80% of GDP, UK 82% of GDP; France 85% of GDP.
(sj, 27 April 2013 08:51)

I really apologize for not following the advice of the great and brilliant analysis above, but I'm a bit too materialistic and I prefer to be have debt equal to 80% of income and live a good life than be 0% in debt and live in poverty. Again, I really apologize for not following the debt-free principles of the CE of B92 forums sj. The evil debt should have no place in a moral and prosperous society, so I apologize for my immorality. That's why the USA is going to collapse because those immoral yankees take on debt which is 500% of their annual income in order to buy a house. They should rather be homeless but proud of following the moral way of life of being debt free.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Skype, that many of use use today, was and continues to be developed in Estonia.
(Danilo, 26 April 2013 14:57)

Not true, Skype was devloped and founded in Sweden.

@azir: Bravo. I always knew that you are on Serbian side.

What is dacic doing? Everything he is doing indicated total and complete recognition of Kosovo indeldnence but he is denying it! Why? What is the final status? He seems to be doing recognition but saying no recognition? What is the relationship between Serbia and Kosovo to dacic? What is going on with him?

No, the ICJ ruled that Kosovo's declaration of independence was legal, i.e. it doesn't violate any international law (because there is no law about an UDI, so any UDI by any group of people is legal), and doesn't violate UN1244, because the UDI was not made by any Kosovo official of the temporary Kosovo administration under UN1244.
(Comm. Parrisson, 26 April 2013 17:11)

Just a small correction, that the ICJ never wrote that "any UDI by any group of people is legal". Just a disclaimer that I am referring to the English version of ICJ's opinion. I'm sure that the Serbian states what you say.

The reason why ICJ did not wrote that sweeping statement is because the judges did not analyze the law applicable to any hypothetical UDI anywhere in the world, at any time in the future.

In addition, the UDI was not in violation of UNSCR 1244 for two reasons, and you mentioned only one. The other one that you forgot is that (I quote from the ICJ opinion), "under the terms of resolution 1244 (1999) the Security Council did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo and remained silent on the conditions for the final status of Kosovo. Resolution 1244 (1999) thus does not preclude the issuance of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008...".

I have seen both countries to a larger extent and I can say that Serbia does not differ much to Romania except Serbia has much better infrastructure while the Bulgarian country towns are bleak. Driving back into Serbia I saw life again. The reason they don't regret being in the EU (at least the younger generation) is a good way for them to escape.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 23:53)

Huh! Are you out of your mind ?! Haven't you read the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj that the EU is sinking or has collapsed?! Who would want to escape to the EU?! Bases on sj's analysis, your arguments above would point to Serbia joining China, Malaysia or India in order to ensure prosperity.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The reason they don't regret being in the EU (at least the younger generation) is a good way for them to escape.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 23:53)

I really get frustrated with people who espouse the greatness of the EU when it’s teetering on the edge of bankruptcy itself trying to help out the failing EU members.
(sj, 27 April 2013 01:41)

You have all the right to be frustrated with Zoran for not understanding your brilliant analysis…

Huh! Are you out of your mind ?! Haven't you read the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj that the EU is sinking or has collapsed?! Who would want to escape to the EU?!
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ICJ, do you even know what you are saying?
What Zoran is saying is that citizens of Romania and Bulgaria are happy to be in the EU becuse they have a chance to escape their own countries. They are not escaping to EU because they are already in EU. They are just trying to escape their own country.

Now this means that even if Serbia gets in EU nothing will change. They are going to get even poorer because the EU will zap what they can out of Serbia and leave a shell behind.

How can someone escape to EU when they are already in EU? Are you that stupid not to see it?

“Estonia as a solid IT industry - they're not just picking fruit in France. Skype, that many of use use today, was and continues to be developed in Estonia.”
Ireland had IT and real estate as solid industries. But developing Skype in Estonia is What? One swallow does not make a summer.
That is my point.

Absolute proof of what I said earlier – you can’t even legislate against stupidity.
Stick to delivering pizzas that way your head will not hurt from trying to think too much.
(sj, 28 April 2013 01:36)

Interesting... Didn't know that can't be legislated in Malaysia :) Anyway, I do not agree calling stupid the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj. It's true that I'm not following for this part and I'm thinking more about the good life than being poor but proud of being free of the evil debt, but I apologized several times for that and I certainly do follow all of the rest of his/her analysis and I've made huge profits trading on information that only we can get in the B92 forums due to the brilliant contribution of our CE.

I'm also against your proposal of having the CE of B92 forums sj stick to delivering pizzas. Such a giant of the economic theory cannot waste his/her talent on dirty jobs and deprive these forums of economic and financial analysis that can't be found anywhere else.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(icj1, 27 April 2013 21:49)

“I really apologize for not following the advice of the great and brilliant analysis above, but I'm a bit too materialistic and I prefer to be have debt equal to 80% of income and live a good life than be 0% in debt and live in poverty.
“....That's why the USA is going to collapse because those immoral yankees take on debt which is 500% of their annual income in order to buy a house. They should rather be homeless but proud of following the moral way of life of being debt free".


I've emailed this to several colleagues and they can’t stop laughing. As one said “Albanian economics. Brilliant. I have never seen it put so plainly." Perhaps one should tell him about the story of the boiling frog.

(Albanian, 26 April 2013 13:28)
Wrong again! He just wanted to say that Kosovo will not be recognized, and Serbia will use other methods to achieve that.

(icj1, 27 April 2013 21:49)

“I really apologize for not following the advice of the great and brilliant analysis above, but I'm a bit too materialistic and I prefer to be have debt equal to 80% of income and live a good life than be 0% in debt and live in poverty.
“....That's why the USA is going to collapse because those immoral yankees take on debt which is 500% of their annual income in order to buy a house. They should rather be homeless but proud of following the moral way of life of being debt free.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

This really sums it up. The US is in debt because of the good life and they are buying homes. Absolute proof of what I said earlier – you can’t even legislate against stupidity.
Stick to delivering pizzas that way your head will not hurt from trying to think too much.

no true, Daniel.

Swedish businessmen opened a base in Estonia and developed skype there.

That is my point.
(sj, 28 April 2013 02:05)

and my point is that small european countries have been better off in the EU and none of them are complaining about the EU.

No shortage of Serb-fans abroad complaining on their behalf, however.

(Danilo, 28 April 2013 12:54)
Tell me when you’re moving to Estonia and I’ll waive you off at the airport. Old saying never talk through your arse as all that comes out is either sh** or wind and little comment sense. As I have said before one swallow does not make it a summer, you need a whole flock.

ICJ, do you even know what you are saying?
What Zoran is saying is that citizens of Romania and Bulgaria are happy to be in the EU becuse they have a chance to escape their own countries.
(Peggy, 28 April 2013 01:24)

No, I don't know because I said nothing :) I just quoted Zoran who said what you say and the CE of B92 forums who said "I really get frustrated with people who espouse the greatness of the EU when it’s teetering on the edge of bankruptcy itself trying to help out the failing EU members".

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

One thing Serbians don't need is a sarcastic Albanian telling them how they feel. And Dacic was wrong by the way. Serbia was on the winning side in two of the most momentous conflicts in human history. Which is more than can be said for the Albanians.

He added that the DSS MPs were a minority and that it did not mean that they were right but that they should respect the opinion of the majority and work in the interest of Serbia.
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Dacic is sounding more and more like the Albanians here. This government does not have a mandate to accept such an ultimatum so it must organise an unconditional referendum.

Since the stakes are so high, it is obvious the EU and US will meddle in this vote, so if it goes against KiM Serbs, they will have no choice but to declare independence themselves. Without executive powers, there is no way KiM Serbs will accept living under Pristina's rule. We have seen what Albanians have done to our churches and cemeteries. We have seen how Albanians get rewarded for murdering Serbs.

Bring on the referendum!

Clearly Serbians are confused and frustrated, Dacic said we should no longer celebrate defeats as we have for centuries.
WOW

Chief Economist, sj.

Some of your illustrations are off.

Poles working outside of poland sent back money. That, in turn helped build the local economy and Poles are returning because they can get good jobs in Poland

Estonia as a solid IT industry - they're not just picking fruit in France. Skype, that many of use use today, was and continues to be developed in Estonia.

Now a small look at their capital warsaw gives someone the impression he is in paris or frankfourt! economic growth in eastern europe was so numorous that now those countries are not even considered eastern europe any more (as eastern europe means poverty!).
(Mark, 26 April 2013 13:46)
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LOL! Please take you head out of the sand. We can see the economic growth achieved in Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Ireland, Spain, UK, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Belgium, France, etc....

Unless you haven't read, the EU is in an economic crisis. It is a sinking Titanic with third class tickets remaining.

Serbia should follow the example of the former communist countries of eastern europe that have joined the EU. Look at poland, hungary, slovenia, slovakia, czech republic, latvia, lithuania and estonia. Take a good look at those nations, especially poland which used to be such a poor nation. Now a small look at their capital warsaw gives someone the impression he is in paris or frankfourt! economic growth in eastern europe was so numorous that now those countries are not even considered eastern europe any more (as eastern europe means poverty!).

It would be pretty hard to argue that Bulgaria and Romania (and Poland, as mentioned. all small eastern european countries, in fact) aren't better off with the EU, Zoran.

If you disagree, could you explain?

(Mark, 26 April 2013 13:46)

Let’s look at the nations which used to be poor but are now bursting at the seams with wealth. Poland – like the Philippines its greatest earner is sending its qualified people outside to look for work. Perhaps you might ask the thousands now in the UK why they are returning to the bounty of Poland.
Hungary – on the edge of bankruptcy.
Slovenia – Mark are you joking? Where have you been these last couple of months? It’s the next to implode.
Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia – Is that the reason their professional people leave to work in jobs no Frenchman would do i.e. pick fruit or vegetables?????
Get a grip on reality. The good times are over and all that is left is huge debt.

It's scary when a Titoist fat commie traitor like Daciq is the one 'defending Serbian interests'. This guy is the most repuslive type of human, a pure opportunist who says different things depending on who are his audience, and will definitely sell his grandmother for a few schillings. Now let's watch the NATO war criminals and their quislings in Belgrade start the brainwashing campaign on why a democratic referendum is bad, uncalled for, and 'undemocratic'. These is truly Orwellian times we are living in.

Cheers!!

@Zoran and sj:
And what do you both suggest serbia does? Remain poor and isolated forever? They have a huge potential for growth and they should use it, the only way is through joining the EU. Then here's the real challenge, after you join the EU you should be carefull with loans you take, manage your debt well and everything will be just ok, you should also take into consideration any possibility in another global economic crisis, so you don't take more loans and head towards eventual bankruptsy. It's all about good management of finances which many southern european countries were bad at. Serbia will not live beyond its means, don't worry i think everyone learned from the PIIGS countries.

Maybe you've never been to Romania and Bulgaria? I've been and I can see that life is better in Serbia. Just my observation.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 16:13)

I have. My observations, talking to people, is that people earn more money, more younger people have jobs or are doing something entrepreneurial. More young people buying apartments for themselves also cheaper cost of living.

Admittedly I was in neither much (and only in Sofia and Timisoara) and just passing through. However, I didn't run into anyone, in either country, who thought they'd be better off out of the EU.

For both Romania and Bulgaria, the process of EU integration was a valuable blueprint for reducing corruption and improving their economies.

If you disagree, could you explain?
(Danilo, 26 April 2013 14:47)
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Maybe you've never been to Romania and Bulgaria? I've been and I can see that life is better in Serbia. Just my observation.

Then here's the real challenge, after you join the EU you should be carefull with loans you take, manage your debt well and everything will be just ok...
(Mark, 26 April 2013 15:01)
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Well Mark, the EU and US have not been careful with their debt so we should not look up to them as our mentors. They are applying pressure on Serbia as they know their time is running out. Germany is sucking the life out of the EU and as history has shown, Germany will destroy Europe once again. Serbia should remain distant but history has shown that our politicians have sided with evil temporarily, however, the people have rejected it. Time for a referendum I think!

Serbs should defend their interests like the UKIP. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVr51ePCg-g

Is the Serbia's PM Dacic reading my comments cause I predicted that if Serbs don't sign then STORM 2 IN KOSOVA would be best solution.

"LOL! Please take you head out of the sand. We can see the economic growth achieved in Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Ireland, Spain, UK, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Belgium, France, etc.... "
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 14:20)

Funny. I guess you know that each and every of thecountries you mentioned is, despite some recession, still years (in case of France, ITaly, Beligum more like: lightyears) ahead of Serbia, regarding almost any standards and numbers.

Of course, from a base that is only 20% of the European average, Serbia can have a growth of, say, 5% a year (which it doesn't have, btw.), and it still will take decades until the EU average is reached.

Dacic said we should no longer celebrate defeats..... This should be the quote of the month, finally some Serb admitted that most of their victories are in reality defeats. Bravo Dacicu for telling the truth.

I agree with you Dacic Serbs are losers that celebrate out of insanity.

Dacic has a lot of explaining to do. Did he really sign that agreement, or did they just tell him that he signed it when he really thought he was initialling it? Did he just cave in? That's what it sounds like in which case he is not competant to make speeches about what the implications of the agreement are.

An independent Kosovo ruling over Serbs will not mean prosperity for Serbs in Kosovo. It means they will driven out into worse economic conditions away from their homes and livelihoods. Whatever the living conditions of Serbs in Kosovo are, they are still better than Albanians in Kosovo. Will life be better for Serbs under the EU? What matters is that life is always going to be better in Serbia and for Serbs than it is in Albania for Albanians. The Albanians have a lot of problems standing in their way to better lives and none of it is the fault of the Serbs. Serbs suffer more at the hands of the Albanians than Albanians have suffered at the hands of the Serbs.

And what do the Serbs get with this so-called agreement? They don't get EU membership. They get a date for an interview for EU membership. EU membership is not even guaranteed at this point. What else are the going to have to surrender for actual EU membership? Isn't that where they are going to have to actually sign away Kosovo? And why stop there? Why not make giving up Presevo a condition? Why not Vojvedina?

Life in Serbia? Yes in Vojvodina and in Belgrade its quite ok, but the rest?

I agree with you Dacic Serbs are losers that celebrate out of insanity.

I never like dacic and his former boss! but he deserves respect for his bravery and honesty!

@azir: Bravo. I always knew that you are on Serbian side.

And why stop there? Why not make giving up Presevo a condition? Why not Vojvedina?
(Paul, 26 April 2013 22:59)

All in good time, my boy.

"...and after the fact that a significant number of countries recognized the unilaterally and illegally declared independence,” the prime minister said.

No, the ICJ ruled that Kosovo's declaration of independence was legal, i.e. it doesn't violate any international law (because there is no law about an UDI, so any UDI by any group of people is legal), and doesn't violate UN1244, because the UDI was not made by any Kosovo official of the temporary Kosovo administration under UN1244.

Is the Serbia's PM Dacic reading my comments cause I predicted that if Serbs don't sign then STORM 2 IN KOSOVA would be best solution.

Hahahha

Zoran: "Without executive powers, there is no way KiM Serbs will accept living under Pristina's rule."

Yeah, every little girl wants to be a princess. However there's only one queen.
Since you think executive powers are a great thing, apply them in Presheva.

Ivica Dačić one Serb in a million who sees and finally understands even has the brain power to acknowledge reality. Zoran Đinđić was a another imagine how far Serbia would be ahead if he was not murdered. Hope Serbia has turned the corner and it's not just another flash in the pan

(Albanian, 26 April 2013 13:28)
Wrong again! He just wanted to say that Kosovo will not be recognized, and Serbia will use other methods to achieve that.

I have seen both countries to a larger extent and I can say that Serbia does not differ much to Romania except Serbia has much better infrastructure while the Bulgarian country towns are bleak. Driving back into Serbia I saw life again. The reason they don't regret being in the EU (at least the younger generation) is a good way for them to escape.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 23:53)

Huh! Are you out of your mind ?! Haven't you read the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj that the EU is sinking or has collapsed?! Who would want to escape to the EU?! Bases on sj's analysis, your arguments above would point to Serbia joining China, Malaysia or India in order to ensure prosperity.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The Agreement is a victory that preserves Kosovo’s institutional, legal, and administrative unity and functionality, as Serbia has accepted Kosovo’s political system and constitutional order.

The Agreement puts an end to the 14 years of status quo in the north of Kosovo, an end to 14 years of lack of effective, democratic governance in the north of Kosovo, and an end to 14 years of institutional parallelism which has obstructed the integration and participation of Serb population in the north of Kosovo into the entire social and political process of Kosovo.

Serbia as a country is wiping their hands clean with regards to Kosova. Goodbye and good riddance!

(Danilo, 26 April 2013 14:57)

Oh Lord! If there is one thing I learnt in all the years I have worked is that you can’t even legislate against stupidity.
:’’’’’ sent back money. That, in turn helped build the local economy..”
Well Einstein, it has not turned the Polish economy at all. Now clean the wax out of your ears and listen carefully. All it has done is made the Polish economy reliant on those funds – its economy has not expanded. There is a difference, go and read up on the Philippines; it’s the same principle.
After the GSF hit in 2008 thousands of Poles in the UK decided to stay because even as bad as it was there it was worse in Poland.
Yeah I have to admit that Skype has saved Estonia and it happiness is unlimited today. IT has saved Estonia? Ireland’s two major industries pre GFC were IT and real estate.

Dacic says " we have been celebrating defeats for centuries".
Isnt this a huge wake up call for all serb nationalists to start to live in the world of reality?
If Dacic has realized that its time to wake up then every other serb should wale up and not celebrate defeats.
This is the reality that i was mentioning it here many many times but i was always accused of being anti-serb.
Well now even your primeminister said that its time to stop celebrating defeats.

The reason they don't regret being in the EU (at least the younger generation) is a good way for them to escape.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 23:53)

I really get frustrated with people who espouse the greatness of the EU when it’s teetering on the edge of bankruptcy itself trying to help out the failing EU members.
(sj, 27 April 2013 01:41)

You have all the right to be frustrated with Zoran for not understanding your brilliant analysis…

You talk about loans; well the EU members are more indebt than Serbia. Germany 80% of GDP, UK 82% of GDP; France 85% of GDP.
(sj, 27 April 2013 08:51)

I really apologize for not following the advice of the great and brilliant analysis above, but I'm a bit too materialistic and I prefer to be have debt equal to 80% of income and live a good life than be 0% in debt and live in poverty. Again, I really apologize for not following the debt-free principles of the CE of B92 forums sj. The evil debt should have no place in a moral and prosperous society, so I apologize for my immorality. That's why the USA is going to collapse because those immoral yankees take on debt which is 500% of their annual income in order to buy a house. They should rather be homeless but proud of following the moral way of life of being debt free.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Absolute proof of what I said earlier – you can’t even legislate against stupidity.
Stick to delivering pizzas that way your head will not hurt from trying to think too much.
(sj, 28 April 2013 01:36)

Interesting... Didn't know that can't be legislated in Malaysia :) Anyway, I do not agree calling stupid the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj. It's true that I'm not following for this part and I'm thinking more about the good life than being poor but proud of being free of the evil debt, but I apologized several times for that and I certainly do follow all of the rest of his/her analysis and I've made huge profits trading on information that only we can get in the B92 forums due to the brilliant contribution of our CE.

I'm also against your proposal of having the CE of B92 forums sj stick to delivering pizzas. Such a giant of the economic theory cannot waste his/her talent on dirty jobs and deprive these forums of economic and financial analysis that can't be found anywhere else.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Maybe you've never been to Romania and Bulgaria? I've been and I can see that life is better in Serbia. Just my observation.
(Zoran, 26 April 2013 16:13)

That is true, but he asked you about romania and bulgaria before and after, poland before and after joining the EU! Besides i personally don't think life in serbia is better than in any EU nation accept those 2 you have mentioned due to their very high population and low income.

Dacic said we should no longer celebrate defeats..... This should be the quote of the month, finally some Serb admitted that most of their victories are in reality defeats. Bravo Dacicu for telling the truth.

(Mark, 26 April 2013 15:01)

I really get frustrated with people who espouse the greatness of the EU when it’s teetering on the edge of bankruptcy itself trying to help out the failing EU members. Do you actually believe that it’s the PIIGS that are in trouble? France is in a very serious situation and now the Germans are in recession with an expected growth rate for 2013 to be 0.3%.
The financial problems experienced by Serbia is because of the GFC. The US is now officially 110% of GDP in debt.
Stop reading EU CRAP and open your eyes.

(Mark, 26 April 2013 15:01)

Are you joking? I’ve been to those wealthy parts of the EU in eastern Europe and have seen for myself the “wealth” they live in. Get real mate. What has happened to Bulgaria or Romania? Or even better Slovenia???????? Hello is anyone home or are the lights just left on to give the appearance of intelligence.
If there is another GFC, the EU will collapse. You talk about loans; well the EU members are more indebt than Serbia. Germany 80% of GDP, UK 82% of GDP; France 85% of GDP.

No, the ICJ ruled that Kosovo's declaration of independence was legal, i.e. it doesn't violate any international law (because there is no law about an UDI, so any UDI by any group of people is legal), and doesn't violate UN1244, because the UDI was not made by any Kosovo official of the temporary Kosovo administration under UN1244.
(Comm. Parrisson, 26 April 2013 17:11)

Just a small correction, that the ICJ never wrote that "any UDI by any group of people is legal". Just a disclaimer that I am referring to the English version of ICJ's opinion. I'm sure that the Serbian states what you say.

The reason why ICJ did not wrote that sweeping statement is because the judges did not analyze the law applicable to any hypothetical UDI anywhere in the world, at any time in the future.

In addition, the UDI was not in violation of UNSCR 1244 for two reasons, and you mentioned only one. The other one that you forgot is that (I quote from the ICJ opinion), "under the terms of resolution 1244 (1999) the Security Council did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo and remained silent on the conditions for the final status of Kosovo. Resolution 1244 (1999) thus does not preclude the issuance of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008...".

no true, Daniel.

Swedish businessmen opened a base in Estonia and developed skype there.

That is my point.
(sj, 28 April 2013 02:05)

and my point is that small european countries have been better off in the EU and none of them are complaining about the EU.

No shortage of Serb-fans abroad complaining on their behalf, however.

@Zoran, Well let serbia have it's reforms and all the benefits of EU integration till the country reaches EU standards in human rights, health care, transport, enviroment, education.. + the economic growth which come with it, then when negotiations are over people will vote in a referendum and choose their future by themselves, and you just relax. You like ukip then go to the UK and vote for them and let's see if they ever win...

The prime minister stressed that many opportunities had been missed, adding that this was an opportunity to “try to defend our interests in a different way, instead of celebrating defeats as we have been doing for centuries”.

Well said Dacic!

instead of celebrating defeats as we have been doing for centuries”.


Very true, and I am glad somebody has the guts to tell the truth as IS.

Admittedly I was in neither much (and only in Sofia and Timisoara) and just passing through. However, I didn't run into anyone, in either country, who thought they'd be better off out of the EU.
(Danilo, 26 April 2013 16:31)
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I have seen both countries to a larger extent and I can say that Serbia does not differ much to Romania except Serbia has much better infrastructure while the Bulgarian country towns are bleak. Driving back into Serbia I saw life again. The reason they don't regret being in the EU (at least the younger generation) is a good way for them to escape.

It is a matter of, during communism, we had money but it was difficult to get everything but now we have everything and no money. Economic growth in the EU is built on debt.

What is dacic doing? Everything he is doing indicated total and complete recognition of Kosovo indeldnence but he is denying it! Why? What is the final status? He seems to be doing recognition but saying no recognition? What is the relationship between Serbia and Kosovo to dacic? What is going on with him?

As the Country shrinks ,Sad thing is how Media Buyers will pay less and less for add space on Serbian Media, pretty soon the add buys will only be the population of BG...next layoffs in media due to the"economic "down turn coming soon.

Skype, that many of use use today, was and continues to be developed in Estonia.
(Danilo, 26 April 2013 14:57)

Not true, Skype was devloped and founded in Sweden.

Huh! Are you out of your mind ?! Haven't you read the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj that the EU is sinking or has collapsed?! Who would want to escape to the EU?!
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ICJ, do you even know what you are saying?
What Zoran is saying is that citizens of Romania and Bulgaria are happy to be in the EU becuse they have a chance to escape their own countries. They are not escaping to EU because they are already in EU. They are just trying to escape their own country.

Now this means that even if Serbia gets in EU nothing will change. They are going to get even poorer because the EU will zap what they can out of Serbia and leave a shell behind.

How can someone escape to EU when they are already in EU? Are you that stupid not to see it?

(Danilo, 28 April 2013 12:54)
Tell me when you’re moving to Estonia and I’ll waive you off at the airport. Old saying never talk through your arse as all that comes out is either sh** or wind and little comment sense. As I have said before one swallow does not make it a summer, you need a whole flock.

(icj1, 27 April 2013 21:49)

“I really apologize for not following the advice of the great and brilliant analysis above, but I'm a bit too materialistic and I prefer to be have debt equal to 80% of income and live a good life than be 0% in debt and live in poverty.
“....That's why the USA is going to collapse because those immoral yankees take on debt which is 500% of their annual income in order to buy a house. They should rather be homeless but proud of following the moral way of life of being debt free.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

This really sums it up. The US is in debt because of the good life and they are buying homes. Absolute proof of what I said earlier – you can’t even legislate against stupidity.
Stick to delivering pizzas that way your head will not hurt from trying to think too much.

“Estonia as a solid IT industry - they're not just picking fruit in France. Skype, that many of use use today, was and continues to be developed in Estonia.”
Ireland had IT and real estate as solid industries. But developing Skype in Estonia is What? One swallow does not make a summer.
That is my point.

ICJ, do you even know what you are saying?
What Zoran is saying is that citizens of Romania and Bulgaria are happy to be in the EU becuse they have a chance to escape their own countries.
(Peggy, 28 April 2013 01:24)

No, I don't know because I said nothing :) I just quoted Zoran who said what you say and the CE of B92 forums who said "I really get frustrated with people who espouse the greatness of the EU when it’s teetering on the edge of bankruptcy itself trying to help out the failing EU members".

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(icj1, 27 April 2013 21:49)

“I really apologize for not following the advice of the great and brilliant analysis above, but I'm a bit too materialistic and I prefer to be have debt equal to 80% of income and live a good life than be 0% in debt and live in poverty.
“....That's why the USA is going to collapse because those immoral yankees take on debt which is 500% of their annual income in order to buy a house. They should rather be homeless but proud of following the moral way of life of being debt free".


I've emailed this to several colleagues and they can’t stop laughing. As one said “Albanian economics. Brilliant. I have never seen it put so plainly." Perhaps one should tell him about the story of the boiling frog.