Referendum on Kosovo deal - "but with one condition"
Aleksandar Vučić addressed a news conference to say that the authorities are prepared to call a referendum on the Kosovo agreement recently reached in Brussels.
Unity of Serbian people is the only guarantee for the prosperity of Serbia. No matter the subjective opinion, we all have to support the decision of the majority, and the future will show if we were right
Dacic is wise with Serbian traditional mentality of inat..
They delay the inevitable and then dispute the outcome when final decision is not in their favor.
Sort of like a sportsman first agreeing to abide by the rules and then towards the end when he senses himself loseing he cowardly changes the rules or created excuses for his failure.
Then to promote revenge they celebrate " heroic" lose.
Serbs are fortunate to have Dacic attempt to bring them to their assumed senses.
I am reading your comments and it seems that they are all about food. In the last one you mentioned stew, and in this one a sandwich. This is not an article about cooking, but about a very important issue for Serbia. And Vucic gave a fair proposition. Ok for referendum but if you respect what was voted.
"for example they made a deal with Greeks to give Albanian territory away so they can fill their own pockets, and they are letting the turkes change our history to make turkey look like they were not occupiers, when in fact Albanian suffered the most from Turkish occupation."
--Toni, the constitutional court in Albania declared the deal to be unconstitutional. It prevented the deal from even reaching the parliament. Now compare this with Serbia. Their constitutional court copped- out on all these deals with Kosova. All they have is talk about a promised, illusory referendum which most likely wont happen. K. Serbs will get angry and then they will hold a referendum just for them.
The govt in Albania is sucky but when it comes to important issues such as territory even Berisha's hand-picked judges where able to see the stupidity of their leader and stop it before it was too late. Not sure this is happening in Belgrade.
At least the government in Serbia is leaving it up to the people to decide, and not like Albania where the ruling party decide for everything, in Serbia government thinks for the future of their country, even though I don't agree with their policy toward Albanians, the Albanian and Kosova government decide on their own without asking the people much, for example they made a deal with Greeks to give Albanian territory away so they can fill their own pockets, and they are letting the turkes change our history to make turkey look like they were not occupiers, when in fact Albanian suffered the most from Turkish occupation.
IT IS TRUE NOT ONLY ALBANIANS BUT EVERYONE COULD POSSIBLY BENEFIT,EVEN THE PATIENT....Since we are neighbors........
OUR CONCERN IS YOU DON'T GO TO DR. INFAMOUS KARADZIC.
I assune Serbs are old enough to make their own decisions for their own sake.
If a referendum is held I predict that the vast majority of Serbians will stand behind the Church and not the politicians. It is a mistake to underestimate the influence of the Church. Vucic's threat to resign and the fall of the government should the referendum not go his way is nothing short of dirty blackmail but at least I give the man credit for agreeing to put this very important matter to a public vote. And all this fuss to just get a date to get into the European Union! The Union is alsomt dead, once Spain falls its all over, one by one the union will fall apart. One needs only to see what is happening in Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Romania and of course Spain. One only needs to see that France and England want out! This is the club that Vucicic is so desperate to get into!? And at what cost, the heart of Serbia!? "Kosovo"? I predicate that if a referendum is held over 60% will be against this deal! But I do not think Vuicic will make good on his threat and resign.
In the end it is utmost dramatic. KSerbs and their supporter defend not their people but their expected wealth as many for the risks of a siege had tried to - see the fatal consequences after WWII - reach out to your neighbour and find business and understand to support him - no need to love him. After all security measures and assistance by your Leaders can be requested in unjust questions. Do not down turn your excellent future.
Again we come back to my prediction. There will be a referendum and Serbs in Serbia proper will say yes to letting Kosovo go. mark my words and then Spain and the rest of the world will soon extend their warm recognitions.
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
(azir, 25 April 2013 23:17)
Comment -
God has alreasdy decided - there will be a Hell for the Albanians,
Further -
It's entertaining how many Serbs try to ignore the inevitable fact that they will fight a vicious civil war worse than Srebnica.
Serbia is doomed to collapse and eventualy disappear from Europe.
(azir, 25 April 2013 21:03)
Comment - Civil War - You will rejoce - but Serbia will Rise.
PART III
Even more:
“…integration of all police in northern Kosovo to the Kosovo Police.”
“…integration and functioning of all judicial authorities within the Kosovo legal framework”
“Municipal elections, according to the agreement will be organised in the northern
municipalities in 2013 with the facilitation of the OSCE.”
And if you think that’s all, you’re wrong:
"This agreement foresees inter alia that discussions on Energy and
Telecoms will be intensified by the two sides and completed by June 15 2013."
Since Kosovo hasn't anything to offer on those two topics, Serbia, again, will pay the bill.
“"The EU also expects that the two parties, in the spirit of the new understanding/relation
between them and without prejudice to the positions on the status of Kosovo, will continue to
work further for the normalisation of relations between them and in this framework will address, among other issues, Kosovo's integration/participation in international bodies."
“The Commission recalls its recommendation of October 2012 that the steps leading to the
normalisation of relations between Belgrade and Pristina should also be addressed in the
context of the framework for the conduct of future accession negotiations with Serbia.”
I think we all know how the EU reacts if their "expectations" are not met :)
REFERENDUM NOW!!!
"Several days after the initialing of the Brussels agreement there is a fierce campaign against it in a part of the public, a campaign that is understandable from the point of view of Kosovo Serbs, but which contains untruths, and I would dare say also lies."
Is that so Mr Vučić?
Let’s talk about the facts, for to finish with ALL lies:
PART I
The joint report of the EC and the High Representative (22/04/12) states:
"...the two parties agreed to adopt an implementation plan by 26 April"
This means, the same day parliament eventually will convene to discuss the agreement!
That's democracy in action, a real European value!
What has been done so far?
Until now you’ve established and implemented a border between Serbia and Kosovo :
“The most important was IBM implementation. By the end of December 2012 four Gates,
including the two Gates in northern Kosovo, were operational and, since the end of February
all six Gates between Serbia and Kosovo are operational.”
and you have recognized ID cards of the Republic of Kosovo:
“…Regarding free movement, the ID card travel regime is operational and works well.”
Kosovo Serbs now need ID papers and car plates of the Republic of Kosovo (without prejudice to the positions on the status of Kosovo, LOL)
wow I would never think they would even consider a referendum, this government is for real.
(trudsaam, 25 April 2013 18:04)
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Not sure. It will all depend on how the question is asked. They could still find a way to get the desired answer, after all, EU is guiding them.
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Referendum is against interests of of Serbs that live in Kosovo. The outcome would put them in a difficult position.
(Kiza, 25 April 2013 18:00)
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Serbs in Kosovo are already in a difficult if not impossible position. They are attacked on almost daily basis, whether it be their cemeteries, places of worship, homes and themselves.
The only thing left is for Albanians to declare war and mobilize. Is that what you are talking about?
Why a referenum? We have enough time lost from nineties fighting against Milosevic. We are tired of Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. We want peace and prosperity in the country. We want to work and order in the country. We want a European standard and European life. Now when we get a chance it's time to use it. Twenty years mend ends meet and look at how the individuals at the expense of the state rich, looting, killings ... I want my children to live in peace.
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
(the truth, 25 April 2013 17:57)
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You're so sure you are going to get 100% from Serbia?
What do you mean the entire Serb nation? I know you will get all the right answers from all the non Serbs who live in Serbia. That's a given and some more from misguided and greedy Serbs but I don't think you will get a majority.
Hey you man any referendum?! Do not waste our money for this nonsense! Assembly representing the people, if they provide 2/3 support then there is nothing to call a referendum. Why, then, if the Assembly does not represent the people?
Allowing Serbs to have referendum is like letting monkey drive airplane.
(Borat, 25 April 2013 19:15)
Don't you just love the racist stereotyping that goes on in here from the usual village idiots lacking in brain cells. What, you mean Serbs should not have the right to exercise their democratic right to universal suffrage in an election or referendum because to you they are 'monkeys' or subhuman.
Well sorry there Adolf, I didnt mean to piss on your parade but all the citizens of Serbia (including myself heaven forbid the shock and horror of it all) will have the right to vote in this referendum. Does that make me a 'monkey'?
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
(azir, 25 April 2013 23:17)
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OMG, you are so worried.
So rejecting this "agreement" is Hell? Grow up.
Let's see what Serbia wants but it will be tough because in Serbia not only Serbs live and all the other ethnic groups are very likely to side with the Albanians and want to accept this agreement.
I wonder why Albanians are wanting us to accept this so badly. Geez, could it be because the agreement is good for them?
Do the thugs expect 1% pop. Serbs to dictate to the 99%?
Serbia's future is in the EU and the sooner the implanted settlers realize this the better.
Belgrade shouldn't no longer be hostage to Serb TERRORISTS.
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
Serbia doesn't need people voting esoterically without having to deal with the real-world consequences of such a decision
(Danilo, 25 April 2013 21:27)
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There goes that jealousy again.
Too bad, any Serb who has the right to vote should. If you don't like that then call for a referendum on that one.
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
(the truth, 25 April 2013 17:57)
It isn't KSerbs who are blackmailing the entire Serb nation, it's EU. KSerbs only want to live in safety and freedom in their land. Is it a crime?
Whatever will make a good starting point for Serbia in new era. Serbia finaly comes to enlightment so if this could help and put a stop sing on sad past ok, in fine with it. Where there is Ying there is Yang so let this be our bright side. Referendum ok, but if result comes as unexpected for some % of people then they will have to be satisfied with, because I think that this is just a waste of money unnecessarily...result will be consent with the government decision
I have stated several times that Belgrade made a mistake in not including a representative from Kosovo in rhe Brussels talks. An elected official that represents Serbs living in Kosovo would have made a lot more sense, than someone like Nikolic in Brussels. Maybe all parties woul have been satisfied, and a referrendum would not be needed now. It would be like Tirana making a deal for Albanians in Kosovo, without their voice being heard. Problem is, Serbian politicians are used to ruling, not governing.
Let all of Serbia vote for this referendum and what ever the outcome, deal with it. I doubt there will ever be true peace in the Balkans, no matter the vote outcome, thats what history teaches us!
The referendum would be held by all Kosovar serbs not just the portion in the northern part - DUH! The Agreement envisions the creation of the Association of communities (including majority of Serbs throughout Kosova).
"speaking about the future for the first time, and not history, and for the first time the international community is speaking as if they owe us something. That's a historic turnabout."
Correct me if I'm wrong but the last Serbian politician to speak such truths was Djindjic. Bravo Vucic but please take care!
Mr.Vucic have said it all and he said it right.If the final result of referendum shows that the majority of citizens positively articulate about asked question, then that must be the end of all talks. Full stop.
Because kosova Serbs have accepted the border guards and customs agents you can see that they are strongly in support of the independence of kosova from Serbia. Border guards and customs agents between Kosova and Serbia!!
Vučić, however, said that a referendum would be called "with the condition that everyone would be under obligation to accept the answer of the majority".
Sounds fair to me, under one condition however:
To agree on the question first, in order to avoid a remake of the ICJ disaster.
"The way this is going, it's obvious it will be anguish, and more anguish. If we're supposed to go for showdowns, blackmail - we have no intention of doing that, those are our people."
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
"The way this is going, it's obvious it will be anguish, and more anguish. If we're supposed to go for showdowns, blackmail - we have no intention of doing that, those are our people."
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
Mr.Vucic have said it all and he said it right.If the final result of referendum shows that the majority of citizens positively articulate about asked question, then that must be the end of all talks. Full stop.
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
(the truth, 25 April 2013 17:57)
It isn't KSerbs who are blackmailing the entire Serb nation, it's EU. KSerbs only want to live in safety and freedom in their land. Is it a crime?
"speaking about the future for the first time, and not history, and for the first time the international community is speaking as if they owe us something. That's a historic turnabout."
Correct me if I'm wrong but the last Serbian politician to speak such truths was Djindjic. Bravo Vucic but please take care!
Do the thugs expect 1% pop. Serbs to dictate to the 99%?
Serbia's future is in the EU and the sooner the implanted settlers realize this the better.
Belgrade shouldn't no longer be hostage to Serb TERRORISTS.
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
I have stated several times that Belgrade made a mistake in not including a representative from Kosovo in rhe Brussels talks. An elected official that represents Serbs living in Kosovo would have made a lot more sense, than someone like Nikolic in Brussels. Maybe all parties woul have been satisfied, and a referrendum would not be needed now. It would be like Tirana making a deal for Albanians in Kosovo, without their voice being heard. Problem is, Serbian politicians are used to ruling, not governing.
Vučić, however, said that a referendum would be called "with the condition that everyone would be under obligation to accept the answer of the majority".
Sounds fair to me, under one condition however:
To agree on the question first, in order to avoid a remake of the ICJ disaster.
Let all of Serbia vote for this referendum and what ever the outcome, deal with it. I doubt there will ever be true peace in the Balkans, no matter the vote outcome, thats what history teaches us!
Because kosova Serbs have accepted the border guards and customs agents you can see that they are strongly in support of the independence of kosova from Serbia. Border guards and customs agents between Kosova and Serbia!!
The referendum would be held by all Kosovar serbs not just the portion in the northern part - DUH! The Agreement envisions the creation of the Association of communities (including majority of Serbs throughout Kosova).
Allowing Serbs to have referendum is like letting monkey drive airplane.
(Borat, 25 April 2013 19:15)
Don't you just love the racist stereotyping that goes on in here from the usual village idiots lacking in brain cells. What, you mean Serbs should not have the right to exercise their democratic right to universal suffrage in an election or referendum because to you they are 'monkeys' or subhuman.
Well sorry there Adolf, I didnt mean to piss on your parade but all the citizens of Serbia (including myself heaven forbid the shock and horror of it all) will have the right to vote in this referendum. Does that make me a 'monkey'?
Whatever will make a good starting point for Serbia in new era. Serbia finaly comes to enlightment so if this could help and put a stop sing on sad past ok, in fine with it. Where there is Ying there is Yang so let this be our bright side. Referendum ok, but if result comes as unexpected for some % of people then they will have to be satisfied with, because I think that this is just a waste of money unnecessarily...result will be consent with the government decision
Why a referenum? We have enough time lost from nineties fighting against Milosevic. We are tired of Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. We want peace and prosperity in the country. We want to work and order in the country. We want a European standard and European life. Now when we get a chance it's time to use it. Twenty years mend ends meet and look at how the individuals at the expense of the state rich, looting, killings ... I want my children to live in peace.
wow I would never think they would even consider a referendum, this government is for real.
(trudsaam, 25 April 2013 18:04)
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Not sure. It will all depend on how the question is asked. They could still find a way to get the desired answer, after all, EU is guiding them.
=======
Referendum is against interests of of Serbs that live in Kosovo. The outcome would put them in a difficult position.
(Kiza, 25 April 2013 18:00)
===========================
Serbs in Kosovo are already in a difficult if not impossible position. They are attacked on almost daily basis, whether it be their cemeteries, places of worship, homes and themselves.
The only thing left is for Albanians to declare war and mobilize. Is that what you are talking about?
If a referendum is held I predict that the vast majority of Serbians will stand behind the Church and not the politicians. It is a mistake to underestimate the influence of the Church. Vucic's threat to resign and the fall of the government should the referendum not go his way is nothing short of dirty blackmail but at least I give the man credit for agreeing to put this very important matter to a public vote. And all this fuss to just get a date to get into the European Union! The Union is alsomt dead, once Spain falls its all over, one by one the union will fall apart. One needs only to see what is happening in Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Romania and of course Spain. One only needs to see that France and England want out! This is the club that Vucicic is so desperate to get into!? And at what cost, the heart of Serbia!? "Kosovo"? I predicate that if a referendum is held over 60% will be against this deal! But I do not think Vuicic will make good on his threat and resign.
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
(azir, 25 April 2013 23:17)
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OMG, you are so worried.
So rejecting this "agreement" is Hell? Grow up.
Let's see what Serbia wants but it will be tough because in Serbia not only Serbs live and all the other ethnic groups are very likely to side with the Albanians and want to accept this agreement.
I wonder why Albanians are wanting us to accept this so badly. Geez, could it be because the agreement is good for them?
PART III
Even more:
“…integration of all police in northern Kosovo to the Kosovo Police.”
“…integration and functioning of all judicial authorities within the Kosovo legal framework”
“Municipal elections, according to the agreement will be organised in the northern
municipalities in 2013 with the facilitation of the OSCE.”
And if you think that’s all, you’re wrong:
"This agreement foresees inter alia that discussions on Energy and
Telecoms will be intensified by the two sides and completed by June 15 2013."
Since Kosovo hasn't anything to offer on those two topics, Serbia, again, will pay the bill.
“"The EU also expects that the two parties, in the spirit of the new understanding/relation
between them and without prejudice to the positions on the status of Kosovo, will continue to
work further for the normalisation of relations between them and in this framework will address, among other issues, Kosovo's integration/participation in international bodies."
“The Commission recalls its recommendation of October 2012 that the steps leading to the
normalisation of relations between Belgrade and Pristina should also be addressed in the
context of the framework for the conduct of future accession negotiations with Serbia.”
I think we all know how the EU reacts if their "expectations" are not met :)
REFERENDUM NOW!!!
Again we come back to my prediction. There will be a referendum and Serbs in Serbia proper will say yes to letting Kosovo go. mark my words and then Spain and the rest of the world will soon extend their warm recognitions.
"for example they made a deal with Greeks to give Albanian territory away so they can fill their own pockets, and they are letting the turkes change our history to make turkey look like they were not occupiers, when in fact Albanian suffered the most from Turkish occupation."
--Toni, the constitutional court in Albania declared the deal to be unconstitutional. It prevented the deal from even reaching the parliament. Now compare this with Serbia. Their constitutional court copped- out on all these deals with Kosova. All they have is talk about a promised, illusory referendum which most likely wont happen. K. Serbs will get angry and then they will hold a referendum just for them.
The govt in Albania is sucky but when it comes to important issues such as territory even Berisha's hand-picked judges where able to see the stupidity of their leader and stop it before it was too late. Not sure this is happening in Belgrade.
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
(the truth, 25 April 2013 17:57)
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You're so sure you are going to get 100% from Serbia?
What do you mean the entire Serb nation? I know you will get all the right answers from all the non Serbs who live in Serbia. That's a given and some more from misguided and greedy Serbs but I don't think you will get a majority.
Hey you man any referendum?! Do not waste our money for this nonsense! Assembly representing the people, if they provide 2/3 support then there is nothing to call a referendum. Why, then, if the Assembly does not represent the people?
Serbia doesn't need people voting esoterically without having to deal with the real-world consequences of such a decision
(Danilo, 25 April 2013 21:27)
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There goes that jealousy again.
Too bad, any Serb who has the right to vote should. If you don't like that then call for a referendum on that one.
"Several days after the initialing of the Brussels agreement there is a fierce campaign against it in a part of the public, a campaign that is understandable from the point of view of Kosovo Serbs, but which contains untruths, and I would dare say also lies."
Is that so Mr Vučić?
Let’s talk about the facts, for to finish with ALL lies:
PART I
The joint report of the EC and the High Representative (22/04/12) states:
"...the two parties agreed to adopt an implementation plan by 26 April"
This means, the same day parliament eventually will convene to discuss the agreement!
That's democracy in action, a real European value!
What has been done so far?
Until now you’ve established and implemented a border between Serbia and Kosovo :
“The most important was IBM implementation. By the end of December 2012 four Gates,
including the two Gates in northern Kosovo, were operational and, since the end of February
all six Gates between Serbia and Kosovo are operational.”
and you have recognized ID cards of the Republic of Kosovo:
“…Regarding free movement, the ID card travel regime is operational and works well.”
Kosovo Serbs now need ID papers and car plates of the Republic of Kosovo (without prejudice to the positions on the status of Kosovo, LOL)
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
(azir, 25 April 2013 23:17)
Comment -
God has alreasdy decided - there will be a Hell for the Albanians,
Further -
It's entertaining how many Serbs try to ignore the inevitable fact that they will fight a vicious civil war worse than Srebnica.
Serbia is doomed to collapse and eventualy disappear from Europe.
(azir, 25 April 2013 21:03)
Comment - Civil War - You will rejoce - but Serbia will Rise.
IT IS TRUE NOT ONLY ALBANIANS BUT EVERYONE COULD POSSIBLY BENEFIT,EVEN THE PATIENT....Since we are neighbors........
OUR CONCERN IS YOU DON'T GO TO DR. INFAMOUS KARADZIC.
I assune Serbs are old enough to make their own decisions for their own sake.
Dacic is wise with Serbian traditional mentality of inat..
They delay the inevitable and then dispute the outcome when final decision is not in their favor.
Sort of like a sportsman first agreeing to abide by the rules and then towards the end when he senses himself loseing he cowardly changes the rules or created excuses for his failure.
Then to promote revenge they celebrate " heroic" lose.
Serbs are fortunate to have Dacic attempt to bring them to their assumed senses.
At least the government in Serbia is leaving it up to the people to decide, and not like Albania where the ruling party decide for everything, in Serbia government thinks for the future of their country, even though I don't agree with their policy toward Albanians, the Albanian and Kosova government decide on their own without asking the people much, for example they made a deal with Greeks to give Albanian territory away so they can fill their own pockets, and they are letting the turkes change our history to make turkey look like they were not occupiers, when in fact Albanian suffered the most from Turkish occupation.
In the end it is utmost dramatic. KSerbs and their supporter defend not their people but their expected wealth as many for the risks of a siege had tried to - see the fatal consequences after WWII - reach out to your neighbour and find business and understand to support him - no need to love him. After all security measures and assistance by your Leaders can be requested in unjust questions. Do not down turn your excellent future.
Unity of Serbian people is the only guarantee for the prosperity of Serbia. No matter the subjective opinion, we all have to support the decision of the majority, and the future will show if we were right
I am reading your comments and it seems that they are all about food. In the last one you mentioned stew, and in this one a sandwich. This is not an article about cooking, but about a very important issue for Serbia. And Vucic gave a fair proposition. Ok for referendum but if you respect what was voted.
"The way this is going, it's obvious it will be anguish, and more anguish. If we're supposed to go for showdowns, blackmail - we have no intention of doing that, those are our people."
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
Because kosova Serbs have accepted the border guards and customs agents you can see that they are strongly in support of the independence of kosova from Serbia. Border guards and customs agents between Kosova and Serbia!!
Do the thugs expect 1% pop. Serbs to dictate to the 99%?
Serbia's future is in the EU and the sooner the implanted settlers realize this the better.
Belgrade shouldn't no longer be hostage to Serb TERRORISTS.
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
(the truth, 25 April 2013 17:57)
It isn't KSerbs who are blackmailing the entire Serb nation, it's EU. KSerbs only want to live in safety and freedom in their land. Is it a crime?
The referendum would be held by all Kosovar serbs not just the portion in the northern part - DUH! The Agreement envisions the creation of the Association of communities (including majority of Serbs throughout Kosova).
Vučić, however, said that a referendum would be called "with the condition that everyone would be under obligation to accept the answer of the majority".
Sounds fair to me, under one condition however:
To agree on the question first, in order to avoid a remake of the ICJ disaster.
"speaking about the future for the first time, and not history, and for the first time the international community is speaking as if they owe us something. That's a historic turnabout."
Correct me if I'm wrong but the last Serbian politician to speak such truths was Djindjic. Bravo Vucic but please take care!
Mr.Vucic have said it all and he said it right.If the final result of referendum shows that the majority of citizens positively articulate about asked question, then that must be the end of all talks. Full stop.
Again we come back to my prediction. There will be a referendum and Serbs in Serbia proper will say yes to letting Kosovo go. mark my words and then Spain and the rest of the world will soon extend their warm recognitions.
Whatever will make a good starting point for Serbia in new era. Serbia finaly comes to enlightment so if this could help and put a stop sing on sad past ok, in fine with it. Where there is Ying there is Yang so let this be our bright side. Referendum ok, but if result comes as unexpected for some % of people then they will have to be satisfied with, because I think that this is just a waste of money unnecessarily...result will be consent with the government decision
wow I would never think they would even consider a referendum, this government is for real.
(trudsaam, 25 April 2013 18:04)
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Not sure. It will all depend on how the question is asked. They could still find a way to get the desired answer, after all, EU is guiding them.
=======
Referendum is against interests of of Serbs that live in Kosovo. The outcome would put them in a difficult position.
(Kiza, 25 April 2013 18:00)
===========================
Serbs in Kosovo are already in a difficult if not impossible position. They are attacked on almost daily basis, whether it be their cemeteries, places of worship, homes and themselves.
The only thing left is for Albanians to declare war and mobilize. Is that what you are talking about?
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
(azir, 25 April 2013 23:17)
Comment -
God has alreasdy decided - there will be a Hell for the Albanians,
Further -
It's entertaining how many Serbs try to ignore the inevitable fact that they will fight a vicious civil war worse than Srebnica.
Serbia is doomed to collapse and eventualy disappear from Europe.
(azir, 25 April 2013 21:03)
Comment - Civil War - You will rejoce - but Serbia will Rise.
In the end it is utmost dramatic. KSerbs and their supporter defend not their people but their expected wealth as many for the risks of a siege had tried to - see the fatal consequences after WWII - reach out to your neighbour and find business and understand to support him - no need to love him. After all security measures and assistance by your Leaders can be requested in unjust questions. Do not down turn your excellent future.
Allowing Serbs to have referendum is like letting monkey drive airplane.
(Borat, 25 April 2013 19:15)
Don't you just love the racist stereotyping that goes on in here from the usual village idiots lacking in brain cells. What, you mean Serbs should not have the right to exercise their democratic right to universal suffrage in an election or referendum because to you they are 'monkeys' or subhuman.
Well sorry there Adolf, I didnt mean to piss on your parade but all the citizens of Serbia (including myself heaven forbid the shock and horror of it all) will have the right to vote in this referendum. Does that make me a 'monkey'?
Serbia doesn't need people voting esoterically without having to deal with the real-world consequences of such a decision
(Danilo, 25 April 2013 21:27)
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There goes that jealousy again.
Too bad, any Serb who has the right to vote should. If you don't like that then call for a referendum on that one.
If a referendum is held I predict that the vast majority of Serbians will stand behind the Church and not the politicians. It is a mistake to underestimate the influence of the Church. Vucic's threat to resign and the fall of the government should the referendum not go his way is nothing short of dirty blackmail but at least I give the man credit for agreeing to put this very important matter to a public vote. And all this fuss to just get a date to get into the European Union! The Union is alsomt dead, once Spain falls its all over, one by one the union will fall apart. One needs only to see what is happening in Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Romania and of course Spain. One only needs to see that France and England want out! This is the club that Vucicic is so desperate to get into!? And at what cost, the heart of Serbia!? "Kosovo"? I predicate that if a referendum is held over 60% will be against this deal! But I do not think Vuicic will make good on his threat and resign.
I am reading your comments and it seems that they are all about food. In the last one you mentioned stew, and in this one a sandwich. This is not an article about cooking, but about a very important issue for Serbia. And Vucic gave a fair proposition. Ok for referendum but if you respect what was voted.
I have stated several times that Belgrade made a mistake in not including a representative from Kosovo in rhe Brussels talks. An elected official that represents Serbs living in Kosovo would have made a lot more sense, than someone like Nikolic in Brussels. Maybe all parties woul have been satisfied, and a referrendum would not be needed now. It would be like Tirana making a deal for Albanians in Kosovo, without their voice being heard. Problem is, Serbian politicians are used to ruling, not governing.
Please all Serbs decide your future either it's heaven or hell.........
(azir, 25 April 2013 23:17)
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OMG, you are so worried.
So rejecting this "agreement" is Hell? Grow up.
Let's see what Serbia wants but it will be tough because in Serbia not only Serbs live and all the other ethnic groups are very likely to side with the Albanians and want to accept this agreement.
I wonder why Albanians are wanting us to accept this so badly. Geez, could it be because the agreement is good for them?
Why a referenum? We have enough time lost from nineties fighting against Milosevic. We are tired of Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. We want peace and prosperity in the country. We want to work and order in the country. We want a European standard and European life. Now when we get a chance it's time to use it. Twenty years mend ends meet and look at how the individuals at the expense of the state rich, looting, killings ... I want my children to live in peace.
Exactly. 40G Serbs in northern Mitro are blackmailing the entire Serb nation. You should call the referendum in Serbia and I am sure those Serbs, are smarter than 40G K-Serbs.
(the truth, 25 April 2013 17:57)
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You're so sure you are going to get 100% from Serbia?
What do you mean the entire Serb nation? I know you will get all the right answers from all the non Serbs who live in Serbia. That's a given and some more from misguided and greedy Serbs but I don't think you will get a majority.
"Several days after the initialing of the Brussels agreement there is a fierce campaign against it in a part of the public, a campaign that is understandable from the point of view of Kosovo Serbs, but which contains untruths, and I would dare say also lies."
Is that so Mr Vučić?
Let’s talk about the facts, for to finish with ALL lies:
PART I
The joint report of the EC and the High Representative (22/04/12) states:
"...the two parties agreed to adopt an implementation plan by 26 April"
This means, the same day parliament eventually will convene to discuss the agreement!
That's democracy in action, a real European value!
What has been done so far?
Until now you’ve established and implemented a border between Serbia and Kosovo :
“The most important was IBM implementation. By the end of December 2012 four Gates,
including the two Gates in northern Kosovo, were operational and, since the end of February
all six Gates between Serbia and Kosovo are operational.”
and you have recognized ID cards of the Republic of Kosovo:
“…Regarding free movement, the ID card travel regime is operational and works well.”
Kosovo Serbs now need ID papers and car plates of the Republic of Kosovo (without prejudice to the positions on the status of Kosovo, LOL)
PART III
Even more:
“…integration of all police in northern Kosovo to the Kosovo Police.”
“…integration and functioning of all judicial authorities within the Kosovo legal framework”
“Municipal elections, according to the agreement will be organised in the northern
municipalities in 2013 with the facilitation of the OSCE.”
And if you think that’s all, you’re wrong:
"This agreement foresees inter alia that discussions on Energy and
Telecoms will be intensified by the two sides and completed by June 15 2013."
Since Kosovo hasn't anything to offer on those two topics, Serbia, again, will pay the bill.
“"The EU also expects that the two parties, in the spirit of the new understanding/relation
between them and without prejudice to the positions on the status of Kosovo, will continue to
work further for the normalisation of relations between them and in this framework will address, among other issues, Kosovo's integration/participation in international bodies."
“The Commission recalls its recommendation of October 2012 that the steps leading to the
normalisation of relations between Belgrade and Pristina should also be addressed in the
context of the framework for the conduct of future accession negotiations with Serbia.”
I think we all know how the EU reacts if their "expectations" are not met :)
REFERENDUM NOW!!!
IT IS TRUE NOT ONLY ALBANIANS BUT EVERYONE COULD POSSIBLY BENEFIT,EVEN THE PATIENT....Since we are neighbors........
OUR CONCERN IS YOU DON'T GO TO DR. INFAMOUS KARADZIC.
I assune Serbs are old enough to make their own decisions for their own sake.
"for example they made a deal with Greeks to give Albanian territory away so they can fill their own pockets, and they are letting the turkes change our history to make turkey look like they were not occupiers, when in fact Albanian suffered the most from Turkish occupation."
--Toni, the constitutional court in Albania declared the deal to be unconstitutional. It prevented the deal from even reaching the parliament. Now compare this with Serbia. Their constitutional court copped- out on all these deals with Kosova. All they have is talk about a promised, illusory referendum which most likely wont happen. K. Serbs will get angry and then they will hold a referendum just for them.
The govt in Albania is sucky but when it comes to important issues such as territory even Berisha's hand-picked judges where able to see the stupidity of their leader and stop it before it was too late. Not sure this is happening in Belgrade.
Hey you man any referendum?! Do not waste our money for this nonsense! Assembly representing the people, if they provide 2/3 support then there is nothing to call a referendum. Why, then, if the Assembly does not represent the people?
At least the government in Serbia is leaving it up to the people to decide, and not like Albania where the ruling party decide for everything, in Serbia government thinks for the future of their country, even though I don't agree with their policy toward Albanians, the Albanian and Kosova government decide on their own without asking the people much, for example they made a deal with Greeks to give Albanian territory away so they can fill their own pockets, and they are letting the turkes change our history to make turkey look like they were not occupiers, when in fact Albanian suffered the most from Turkish occupation.
Unity of Serbian people is the only guarantee for the prosperity of Serbia. No matter the subjective opinion, we all have to support the decision of the majority, and the future will show if we were right
Let all of Serbia vote for this referendum and what ever the outcome, deal with it. I doubt there will ever be true peace in the Balkans, no matter the vote outcome, thats what history teaches us!
Dacic is wise with Serbian traditional mentality of inat..
They delay the inevitable and then dispute the outcome when final decision is not in their favor.
Sort of like a sportsman first agreeing to abide by the rules and then towards the end when he senses himself loseing he cowardly changes the rules or created excuses for his failure.
Then to promote revenge they celebrate " heroic" lose.
Serbs are fortunate to have Dacic attempt to bring them to their assumed senses.
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