“Agreement will prevent Kosovo from getting UN seat”

Is it in Serbia's hands whether Kosovo can or can not have a UN seat? How will the above help Serbia in re~establish territorial integrity and soverignity over Kosovo?

Totally wrong! In the contrary, this agreement will make sure that Kosovo will get an UN seat, thanks to point 14, since EU member countries will insist now that Serbia recognizes Kosovo once it comes to the final admission to the union. Germany (and others) will say that they recognized Kosovo and that they can admit Kosovo to the EU only as as a UN country, and if Serbia objects there it will confirm that Serbia violates point 14, stopping Serbia's EU accession process. Very clever..

How?

Title doesn't match quote. He said "Serbia does not have to accept Kosovo’s UN membership". How does that become "Agreement will prevent Kosovo from getting UN seat"??

According to him, Serbia has ensured safety and security for Kosovo Serbs and “legalized Serbian institutions” in the eyes of the international community.

hahaha, yep, you legalized Serbian institution according to Kosova Laws and you (I mean them,K-Serbs) have to obey Kosova laws.
As for Cataloni, Basque, etc... , you sound like you are living in another country and got some extra rights. Good thinking, and welcome to Kosova.

Serbian politicans aproach Serbian citizens like if they were idiots. I'm not saying they are but cant serbian people se the lies coming from their politicans ?

The agreement was an way for Serbia to withdraw from northern Kosova without losing face. At the same time Serbia have accepted The borders of Kosova.

As for point 14 in the agreement both parties Will not block each others EU pathway. You cannot be an member of Eu without being an member of EU. That sayes it all...

If our Serbian government has accepted the separatist authority over all of Kosovo through this treaty between in what can only be described as pact between two states, it is a lie to pretend that this government has not betrayed the Serbs in the occupied territory and legalized the wretched pro narco and apartheid Kosovo authority as its own country. So what use is there to block their UN bid? what good has UN protection and membership done to Serbia?

If our Serbian government has accepted the separatist authority over all of Kosovo through this treaty between in what can only be described as pact between two states, it is a lie to pretend that this government has not betrayed the Serbs in the occupied territory and legalized the wretched pro narco and apartheid Kosovo authority as its own country. So what use is there to block their UN bid? what good has UN protection and membership done to Serbia?
(marKo, 21 April 2013 18:11)

Marko,

Speaking as a Serb, I must agree you are correct. I believe Serbia has lost enormasly in this so-called agreement. How could our leaders be so stupid. They do not represent the Serb people, they are just careerists.

What is the expression: hoisted by our own petard.

"“Nobody, from Catalonia to Basque Country, has managed to get what we have. We did not let them join international organizations and we will create institutions that will be controlled by Serbs,” the advisor explained."

Just for the advisor's information (not for the Serbian populace - I have nothing against Serbian populace being told what they like to hear), Kosovo is already member of international organizations. Of course, similarly to Serbia and all other countries, Kosovo is not a member of ALL international organizations that exist.

"Nobody, from Catalonia to Basque Country, has managed to get what we have. "

Ehh? Isn't it more like: Nobody from Catalonia to Basque country, has managed to get what the Kosovo Albanians got.

And once again: Serbia is in no position to prevent Kosovo from getting an UN seat, only Russia and China is.

April 1 is long gone bruh

So let me break it down real quick, concerning point 14 in the agreement and some people claiming that Kosovo cant get an UN seat.

The deal is that Kosovo and Serbia dont block each others EU aspirations and dont encourage others to do so. Lets do it in conversation style:

Kosovo: We wanna join the EU!
Serbia: (by then already a EU member) We would love you to join our group, but you gotta be a recognized country by the UN to do so. Sorry...
Kosovo: Well then, stop asking others (Russia, China)to block us in the UN, so we can join the EU! That was the deal!
Serbia: But...but...NO!
Germany, GB, and the rest of EU: They are right, by hindering Kosovos UN membership you're directly blocking their EU membership which is against the agreement you signed in April 2013.
Serbia: Oh...okay... :(

Exactly. Point 14 guarantees UN membership and serb support. I son understand why the government is lying and Who theyre lying for? 63% of Serbs recognize Kosova independence! Who are they trying to lie to? I dint get them. They completely recognize Kosova independence and they say they don't why? 63 approve.

what do the Serbs want in Kosova there is 1,300,000 Albanians and only 150,000 Serbs your the minority and you think you could have land that their is barely any of you in it, you make no kids in kosova and in Serbia.in the future even in Serbia you will be a minority ,I say in 20 years.....

Notice this: if the expelled serbs are returned, they can make up a majority in many municipalities, which means kosovo can eventially be serbian again, how smart, we didn't lost anything, we are the winners!

Is it in Serbia's hands whether Kosovo can or can not have a UN seat? How will the above help Serbia in re~establish territorial integrity and soverignity over Kosovo?
(EA, 21 April 2013 15:53)

Not sure, but I guess if Kosovo accepts Serbia's offer of more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence, then Kosovo will get a UN seat :)

Our dear Serb friends can probably shed more light into that...

Politicians almost always say things they want you to hear and eventually believe after being repeated every so often. Cmon people Serbs Albanians etc...by reading comments its all about who screwed who really? Wake up Kosovo is already independent and North needs to be pacified, end the lawlessness and start to create better life for all Kosovars, when things start to get back to normal I think Serbs from the North should thank Thaci, afterall like it or not he is their prime minister. To all nationalistic commenters get back to life because people cant live out of thin ear and long speeches, do something for yourself, your family, neighbourhood people in need, politics is not made for masses only for the 'selected' ones;-)

As bad as it is, its whole lot better then what was offered a week or two ago.
(Michael, 22 April 2013 09:54)
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So what?
Doesn't mean that Serbia should accept it. Who the Hell are the EU to dictate to Serbia whether to give up Kosovo or not?
Dacic and the rest ARE TRAITORS. Did they have mandate to do this? Did they go to a referendum and get the go ahead from Serbs?
No, they treated Serbia as their own private property and sold it for a few dollars.

They will go down in history as traitors.
Like I said before, if Serbs accept this and sell out their own brothers and sisters in Kosovo then they deserve what's coming to them.
I can tell you that it's not going to stop here.

"what good has UN protection and membership done to Serbia?
(marKo, 21 April 2013 18:11) "

What good did it do Bosnia, which was a UN member, when it was attacked? The SC called for an arms embargo, meaning those with weapons already or having factories on their territory were unaffected, while Bosnia had to do its best to evade an embargo as well as fight.

Uh oh for the poor little Albanian trolls.

Our foot is in the door and you can't shut it.

We'll have our sacred grounds back soon enough.

Enjoy it while you still can :)

Notice this: if the expelled serbs are returned, they can make up a majority in many municipalities, which means kosovo can eventially be serbian again, how smart, we didn't lost anything, we are the winners! (Marko, 21. april 2013 16:06) There is only around 40,000 of them. Them have to take it consideration the expelled K-Albanians in Germany, Switzerland, Macedonia, US ect.

This is one big lie according to point 14 .

@Questioner

True, all true but Russia has always supported Serbia, and if Russia want to deny Kosovo a mambership, Serbia surely won't argue.

(Daniel, 22 April 2013 13:16)'
You are missing the point, the agreement prohibits either side from trying to block the others ascension into the EU. Both countries were against Kosovo independence because there was no agreement between them and Serbia. If they continue to block Kosovo in the name of Serbia they will also block Serbia, as it will be perceived that Serbia is somehow manipulating that.
They are 2 of the weakest links in the EU chain, do you not think they are in a position to continue to block. Remember the Danish were utterly opposed to Serbia at one time and they caved before Serbia handed over Mladic.
Anyone who thinks the EU has gone to all this trouble to open the door for both Serbia and Kosovo and are going to just say "oh well, we tried" is just a plain fool.
Serbia and Kosovo's ascension will be closely tied together the whole way.

“With this agreement we have received a permanent guarantee that Serbia does not have to accept Kosovo’s UN membership, that it will not be forced to recognize its independence, that we have control in a series of areas from the beginning until the end. - Said Marko Duric,.. This guy is a fool who does not know what he is talking about, no one could force Serbia to recognize Kosovo even without a deal and Kosovo could never get a Union seat because of more then just Serbia's objection to it. This guy Marko is trying to sell the agreement to the Serbian people, why sell it, if its so great it should sell it self to the people. Where oh where did they find this guy!?

@bekim

I understand that English isn't your native language but still...

What he is trying to say is that Serbia prevented Kosovo's acceptance into the UN by rejecting the first offer (8 pts). In no shape or form will this agreement prevent our accession into that organization as well. On the contrary this agreement will empower our diplomacy to persuade those five EU members and others; two of them are already sending positive signals to Pristina.

As any one person will tell you in negotiations your goal is to increase the other sides skin in the game: in this context, skin implies time and effort. The closer that Belgrade gets towards membership the more the pressure will increase on Belgrade not to interfere in Kosovo's foreign affairs; it's simply un-neighborly (lol).

Moving on... I'm interested to see these agreements to their implementation. Belgrade will have to cease funding those pesky illegals if they want, "legal institutions recognized by the international community including Pristina". Barricades have to go, exchange of ambassadors, etc.


Tung,

Those who say that this agreement is good for Serbia are lying, same as those who claim that Serbia recognized independence. I would suggest reading the text before claiming anything. As bad as it is, its whole lot better then what was offered a week or two ago.

Mr Marko Duric you sir are a lair, just like the rest of your friends in Beograd. Again and again you are turning your back on your own people whom need your help so much.Is their a one honest politician that would stand up for serbs in Kosovo.It will take Serbia 15 years to become EU member if she is lucky.By then Kosovo will be in the UN.Mr Duric you said that you are proud of what you have achieved, I say SHAME on you and your friends in Beograd.

Kosovo, as a part of Serbia, already has UN seat.

(Michael, 22 April 2013 09:54)
Michael you are right because this is a no win situation for both sides. It is a little better for Serbia because most of its demands get accepted, while Kosovo did not get the main thing they wanted- recognition from Serbia.

At least it will slow it down, until others realize that Kosovo is not a state, and doesn’t belong in EU.

The agreement does not mention the independence of Kosovo, but the obligations of both parties not to prevent access to international organizations.I`m not sure that Kosovo government is able to access the international organizations without help aside. Sooner or later northern part will be reunited with Serbia but another part of Kosovo will be forgotten.

Totally wrong! In the contrary, this agreement will make sure that Kosovo will get an UN seat, thanks to point 14, since EU member countries will insist now that Serbia recognizes Kosovo once it comes to the final admission to the union. Germany (and others) will say that they recognized Kosovo and that they can admit Kosovo to the EU only as as a UN country, and if Serbia objects there it will confirm that Serbia violates point 14, stopping Serbia's EU accession process. Very clever..

Not true at all Germany and other eu countries have stated numerous times that recognition is not a must for Serbia to join the Eu. Other than that Cyprus and Spain have said that they will NEVER recognize Kosovo independent and so with 2 EU members not recognizing Kosovo they can not force a possible eu member to do what not every eu country has done.

You are missing the point, the agreement prohibits either side from trying to block the others ascension into the EU. Both countries were against Kosovo independence because there was no agreement between them and Serbia. If they continue to block Kosovo in the name of Serbia they will also block Serbia, as it will be perceived that Serbia is somehow manipulating that.


That still doesnt mean that Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo before entering the EU. Serbia has done more than enough on making this deal come true. Serbia gave up everything and you gave nothing to the serbs in return and yet you have the guts to ask for recognitnion?Will never happen and the EU have stated multiple times that its not a must for Serbia to recognize in order to join the EU. And yes if Spain or Greece opposes Kosovo un seat I wish you good luck to proove that Serbia manipulated them, do u really think Serbia is that powerful?Spain will not recognize Kosovo because of internal matters and not because of Serbia.

". Barricades have to go, exchange of ambassadors, etc.


Tung,
(KOSO, 22 April 2013 00:43)

Exchange of amabassadors?Are you for real?How many times do we need to tell you albanians that we will NOT RECOGNIZE Kosovo independent?

I do not understand why K-Albanians had been looking forward to this Agreement when they got nothing in particular. We have witnessed that Serbia has made great diplomatic efforts to protect K-Serbs and to halt the establishment of Kosovo's statehood of the total area. Furthermore, Serbia managed to obtain a positive opinion for negotiating date for joining the EU.

Notice this: if the expelled serbs are returned, they can make up a majority in many municipalities, which means kosovo can eventially be serbian again, how smart, we didn't lost anything, we are the winners!

what do the Serbs want in Kosova there is 1,300,000 Albanians and only 150,000 Serbs your the minority and you think you could have land that their is barely any of you in it, you make no kids in kosova and in Serbia.in the future even in Serbia you will be a minority ,I say in 20 years.....

Is it in Serbia's hands whether Kosovo can or can not have a UN seat? How will the above help Serbia in re~establish territorial integrity and soverignity over Kosovo?

Exactly. Point 14 guarantees UN membership and serb support. I son understand why the government is lying and Who theyre lying for? 63% of Serbs recognize Kosova independence! Who are they trying to lie to? I dint get them. They completely recognize Kosova independence and they say they don't why? 63 approve.

"“Nobody, from Catalonia to Basque Country, has managed to get what we have. We did not let them join international organizations and we will create institutions that will be controlled by Serbs,” the advisor explained."

Just for the advisor's information (not for the Serbian populace - I have nothing against Serbian populace being told what they like to hear), Kosovo is already member of international organizations. Of course, similarly to Serbia and all other countries, Kosovo is not a member of ALL international organizations that exist.

According to him, Serbia has ensured safety and security for Kosovo Serbs and “legalized Serbian institutions” in the eyes of the international community.

hahaha, yep, you legalized Serbian institution according to Kosova Laws and you (I mean them,K-Serbs) have to obey Kosova laws.
As for Cataloni, Basque, etc... , you sound like you are living in another country and got some extra rights. Good thinking, and welcome to Kosova.

Totally wrong! In the contrary, this agreement will make sure that Kosovo will get an UN seat, thanks to point 14, since EU member countries will insist now that Serbia recognizes Kosovo once it comes to the final admission to the union. Germany (and others) will say that they recognized Kosovo and that they can admit Kosovo to the EU only as as a UN country, and if Serbia objects there it will confirm that Serbia violates point 14, stopping Serbia's EU accession process. Very clever..

How?

Is it in Serbia's hands whether Kosovo can or can not have a UN seat? How will the above help Serbia in re~establish territorial integrity and soverignity over Kosovo?
(EA, 21 April 2013 15:53)

Not sure, but I guess if Kosovo accepts Serbia's offer of more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence, then Kosovo will get a UN seat :)

Our dear Serb friends can probably shed more light into that...

"what good has UN protection and membership done to Serbia?
(marKo, 21 April 2013 18:11) "

What good did it do Bosnia, which was a UN member, when it was attacked? The SC called for an arms embargo, meaning those with weapons already or having factories on their territory were unaffected, while Bosnia had to do its best to evade an embargo as well as fight.

Those who say that this agreement is good for Serbia are lying, same as those who claim that Serbia recognized independence. I would suggest reading the text before claiming anything. As bad as it is, its whole lot better then what was offered a week or two ago.

As bad as it is, its whole lot better then what was offered a week or two ago.
(Michael, 22 April 2013 09:54)
===========================
So what?
Doesn't mean that Serbia should accept it. Who the Hell are the EU to dictate to Serbia whether to give up Kosovo or not?
Dacic and the rest ARE TRAITORS. Did they have mandate to do this? Did they go to a referendum and get the go ahead from Serbs?
No, they treated Serbia as their own private property and sold it for a few dollars.

They will go down in history as traitors.
Like I said before, if Serbs accept this and sell out their own brothers and sisters in Kosovo then they deserve what's coming to them.
I can tell you that it's not going to stop here.

Serbian politicans aproach Serbian citizens like if they were idiots. I'm not saying they are but cant serbian people se the lies coming from their politicans ?

The agreement was an way for Serbia to withdraw from northern Kosova without losing face. At the same time Serbia have accepted The borders of Kosova.

As for point 14 in the agreement both parties Will not block each others EU pathway. You cannot be an member of Eu without being an member of EU. That sayes it all...

Uh oh for the poor little Albanian trolls.

Our foot is in the door and you can't shut it.

We'll have our sacred grounds back soon enough.

Enjoy it while you still can :)

"Nobody, from Catalonia to Basque Country, has managed to get what we have. "

Ehh? Isn't it more like: Nobody from Catalonia to Basque country, has managed to get what the Kosovo Albanians got.

And once again: Serbia is in no position to prevent Kosovo from getting an UN seat, only Russia and China is.

@bekim

I understand that English isn't your native language but still...

If our Serbian government has accepted the separatist authority over all of Kosovo through this treaty between in what can only be described as pact between two states, it is a lie to pretend that this government has not betrayed the Serbs in the occupied territory and legalized the wretched pro narco and apartheid Kosovo authority as its own country. So what use is there to block their UN bid? what good has UN protection and membership done to Serbia?

If our Serbian government has accepted the separatist authority over all of Kosovo through this treaty between in what can only be described as pact between two states, it is a lie to pretend that this government has not betrayed the Serbs in the occupied territory and legalized the wretched pro narco and apartheid Kosovo authority as its own country. So what use is there to block their UN bid? what good has UN protection and membership done to Serbia?
(marKo, 21 April 2013 18:11)

Marko,

Speaking as a Serb, I must agree you are correct. I believe Serbia has lost enormasly in this so-called agreement. How could our leaders be so stupid. They do not represent the Serb people, they are just careerists.

What is the expression: hoisted by our own petard.

Totally wrong! In the contrary, this agreement will make sure that Kosovo will get an UN seat, thanks to point 14, since EU member countries will insist now that Serbia recognizes Kosovo once it comes to the final admission to the union. Germany (and others) will say that they recognized Kosovo and that they can admit Kosovo to the EU only as as a UN country, and if Serbia objects there it will confirm that Serbia violates point 14, stopping Serbia's EU accession process. Very clever..

Not true at all Germany and other eu countries have stated numerous times that recognition is not a must for Serbia to join the Eu. Other than that Cyprus and Spain have said that they will NEVER recognize Kosovo independent and so with 2 EU members not recognizing Kosovo they can not force a possible eu member to do what not every eu country has done.

April 1 is long gone bruh

Notice this: if the expelled serbs are returned, they can make up a majority in many municipalities, which means kosovo can eventially be serbian again, how smart, we didn't lost anything, we are the winners! (Marko, 21. april 2013 16:06) There is only around 40,000 of them. Them have to take it consideration the expelled K-Albanians in Germany, Switzerland, Macedonia, US ect.

What he is trying to say is that Serbia prevented Kosovo's acceptance into the UN by rejecting the first offer (8 pts). In no shape or form will this agreement prevent our accession into that organization as well. On the contrary this agreement will empower our diplomacy to persuade those five EU members and others; two of them are already sending positive signals to Pristina.

As any one person will tell you in negotiations your goal is to increase the other sides skin in the game: in this context, skin implies time and effort. The closer that Belgrade gets towards membership the more the pressure will increase on Belgrade not to interfere in Kosovo's foreign affairs; it's simply un-neighborly (lol).

Moving on... I'm interested to see these agreements to their implementation. Belgrade will have to cease funding those pesky illegals if they want, "legal institutions recognized by the international community including Pristina". Barricades have to go, exchange of ambassadors, etc.


Tung,

Mr Marko Duric you sir are a lair, just like the rest of your friends in Beograd. Again and again you are turning your back on your own people whom need your help so much.Is their a one honest politician that would stand up for serbs in Kosovo.It will take Serbia 15 years to become EU member if she is lucky.By then Kosovo will be in the UN.Mr Duric you said that you are proud of what you have achieved, I say SHAME on you and your friends in Beograd.

Politicians almost always say things they want you to hear and eventually believe after being repeated every so often. Cmon people Serbs Albanians etc...by reading comments its all about who screwed who really? Wake up Kosovo is already independent and North needs to be pacified, end the lawlessness and start to create better life for all Kosovars, when things start to get back to normal I think Serbs from the North should thank Thaci, afterall like it or not he is their prime minister. To all nationalistic commenters get back to life because people cant live out of thin ear and long speeches, do something for yourself, your family, neighbourhood people in need, politics is not made for masses only for the 'selected' ones;-)

So let me break it down real quick, concerning point 14 in the agreement and some people claiming that Kosovo cant get an UN seat.

The deal is that Kosovo and Serbia dont block each others EU aspirations and dont encourage others to do so. Lets do it in conversation style:

Kosovo: We wanna join the EU!
Serbia: (by then already a EU member) We would love you to join our group, but you gotta be a recognized country by the UN to do so. Sorry...
Kosovo: Well then, stop asking others (Russia, China)to block us in the UN, so we can join the EU! That was the deal!
Serbia: But...but...NO!
Germany, GB, and the rest of EU: They are right, by hindering Kosovos UN membership you're directly blocking their EU membership which is against the agreement you signed in April 2013.
Serbia: Oh...okay... :(

Title doesn't match quote. He said "Serbia does not have to accept Kosovo’s UN membership". How does that become "Agreement will prevent Kosovo from getting UN seat"??

@Questioner

True, all true but Russia has always supported Serbia, and if Russia want to deny Kosovo a mambership, Serbia surely won't argue.

(Daniel, 22 April 2013 13:16)'
You are missing the point, the agreement prohibits either side from trying to block the others ascension into the EU. Both countries were against Kosovo independence because there was no agreement between them and Serbia. If they continue to block Kosovo in the name of Serbia they will also block Serbia, as it will be perceived that Serbia is somehow manipulating that.
They are 2 of the weakest links in the EU chain, do you not think they are in a position to continue to block. Remember the Danish were utterly opposed to Serbia at one time and they caved before Serbia handed over Mladic.
Anyone who thinks the EU has gone to all this trouble to open the door for both Serbia and Kosovo and are going to just say "oh well, we tried" is just a plain fool.
Serbia and Kosovo's ascension will be closely tied together the whole way.

This is one big lie according to point 14 .

At least it will slow it down, until others realize that Kosovo is not a state, and doesn’t belong in EU.

Kosovo, as a part of Serbia, already has UN seat.

“With this agreement we have received a permanent guarantee that Serbia does not have to accept Kosovo’s UN membership, that it will not be forced to recognize its independence, that we have control in a series of areas from the beginning until the end. - Said Marko Duric,.. This guy is a fool who does not know what he is talking about, no one could force Serbia to recognize Kosovo even without a deal and Kosovo could never get a Union seat because of more then just Serbia's objection to it. This guy Marko is trying to sell the agreement to the Serbian people, why sell it, if its so great it should sell it self to the people. Where oh where did they find this guy!?

". Barricades have to go, exchange of ambassadors, etc.


Tung,
(KOSO, 22 April 2013 00:43)

Exchange of amabassadors?Are you for real?How many times do we need to tell you albanians that we will NOT RECOGNIZE Kosovo independent?

(Michael, 22 April 2013 09:54)
Michael you are right because this is a no win situation for both sides. It is a little better for Serbia because most of its demands get accepted, while Kosovo did not get the main thing they wanted- recognition from Serbia.

You are missing the point, the agreement prohibits either side from trying to block the others ascension into the EU. Both countries were against Kosovo independence because there was no agreement between them and Serbia. If they continue to block Kosovo in the name of Serbia they will also block Serbia, as it will be perceived that Serbia is somehow manipulating that.


That still doesnt mean that Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo before entering the EU. Serbia has done more than enough on making this deal come true. Serbia gave up everything and you gave nothing to the serbs in return and yet you have the guts to ask for recognitnion?Will never happen and the EU have stated multiple times that its not a must for Serbia to recognize in order to join the EU. And yes if Spain or Greece opposes Kosovo un seat I wish you good luck to proove that Serbia manipulated them, do u really think Serbia is that powerful?Spain will not recognize Kosovo because of internal matters and not because of Serbia.

The agreement does not mention the independence of Kosovo, but the obligations of both parties not to prevent access to international organizations.I`m not sure that Kosovo government is able to access the international organizations without help aside. Sooner or later northern part will be reunited with Serbia but another part of Kosovo will be forgotten.

I do not understand why K-Albanians had been looking forward to this Agreement when they got nothing in particular. We have witnessed that Serbia has made great diplomatic efforts to protect K-Serbs and to halt the establishment of Kosovo's statehood of the total area. Furthermore, Serbia managed to obtain a positive opinion for negotiating date for joining the EU.