PM: We reached best possible solution

According to the prime minister, Serbia will by Monday inform EU High Representative Catherine Ashton whether it accepts the offer. He stressed that this was the first time that the international community had been on Serbia’s side.

“It is certain that these were long and difficult talks, they lasted more than six months, we met ten times and we did not only negotiate with (Kosovo PM) Hashim Thaci but with the entire West and we were alone against them all most of the time,” he stressed.

In the first paragraph he says that this was the first time that the international community stood on Serbia's side and in the very next sentence he contradicts himself by saying that Serbia was alone against Thaci and the entire West. This guy must have the IQ of a twelve year old. It's really a shame for Serbia to have such people in such offices in such a crucial time.

Serbia de facto recognized kosovo. Serb police in north ok but under kosovo law. So you have one law in kosovo and another outside kosovo? two diffrent laws? And also the court in north ( run by serbs..fine ) but under kosovo law again. If this would've been " serb kosovo police in north under serbian law " it would've been a diffrent story. So you don't recognize kosovo as a state but you recognize it's laws?

I can advise you Serbians to save Vojvodina and Sandjak,but Kosova is end of story,I ve been personally deported end of march 1999 from your bandits that u released from prisons We didn't retaliate what u deserved but best punishment is Independent Kosova . That inmature person Dacic from Prizren is not smart at all comparing to Thaqi,and your boring president tries to fool u that u will never recognised Kosova .Thats bs.. In few years slowly we will join NATO and u will see Albanian soldiers from All parts of ethnic Albania in the border.Bye Bye

I agree this this is a good deal. I do hope that this will improve life of people in Kosovo and foster EU integrations. Maybe somebody is able to advise me where is the best place to eat burek in Pristina?

Funny, Dacic thinks that he achieved something for the Kosovo Serbs. They will be implementing Kosovo's laws in the courts in N. Kosovo. But keep playing your non-recognition game. No one really cares. If Kosovo is still Serbia, go to Pristina Mr. Dacic, and explain that to the citizens there.

well, if best possible solution means a collection of municipalities who have to apply Kosova law, then yes, they have done the best. it seems to me, there is a certain realization that has set in amongst the ruling politicians in Serbia. truth is, you will not be able to get control of Kosova without getting the 93% Albanian population think that they'd be better of under Serbian jurisdiction. i have yet to hear a Serb articulate how they will control a territory where the overwhelming majority is dead set against it. Kosova doesn't come without the Albanians. little by little reality is taking over in Serbia

"The people don't recognize anything other than an occupation"

No one's appointed you spokesman for any "the people", Ari.

Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia, not Australians for whom "Serbia" is some kind of hobby practised at the computer after homework is finished) would love this issue to be over and done with.

@ARI

Clearly you are extremely upset with the agreements signed by your Serbian government, Kosova will do everything necessary to get it through those Serbians thick heads in N. Kosova that Serbia is no longer their daddy. Serbia just handed over Northern part, did u read the agreement Ari? Kosovar Troops cannot eneter North without NATO's consent. Exactly how long will it be before Kosova gets the green light from NATO to get control over North, while Serbia will sit by and do nothing because they have signed off already. Ari you will keep on getting disappointed even more in near future remember that.

I do not think that you grasped the essence of the agreement. It provides max protection to Serbs while it freezes current (limbo) status of Kosovo (if you can not understand how, ask me and I will explain). This is much better than the status quo and certainly much better than the alternative (see under "Oluja"). Dacic had few days ago discussions with Russia and he knows well what they told him, i.e. that they will defend us as they did in 1999.

"the best Belgrade can get at the moment" says Dacic, whatever it is, it had better not include selling-out Kosovo because "Kosovo" is not "Mladic" and the people of Serbia will not quietly just accept it. The deal will have historical implications, Dacic and gang will go down in history as the losers that gave up the heart of Serbia, they will never recover from this just like the last Serbian "Royals" never recovered from their cowardly running away from Serbia when the Germans invaded during World War 2 which paved the way for Tito. Ultimately another political party will be destroyed just like the Democratic party is now and the Church will more or less get stronger and rule but proxy. There is no "the best Belgrade can get at the moment" it will be a permanent thing and no way to improve it later. Dacic and gang do not have the right to negotiate away Kosovo not without consulting with the people of Serbia which would require a referendum, if they do, its criminal.

This is not the best deal for Serbia and Serbian people in Kosovo. Mr Dacic you sold the Serbian people and there souls to the sinking Titanic.Its not true that this is the only option for Serbia, Serbia has Russia, China, Africa and Middle East to do business with.If their is one dissent Politician in Beograd then for the sake of Serbia and Serbian people don't sign this agreement.

This is not even second best. It's somewhere in the distance I believe. I bow my head in shame which most Serbs will probably do too. The slid continues for Serbia...oh shame, shame, shame. Forget the EU and get Serbia in order as the people at home need the help more than those in Kosovo. Help will come their way in time.

i have yet to hear a Serb articulate how they will control a territory where the overwhelming majority is dead set against it. Kosova doesn't come without the Albanians. little by little reality is taking over in Serbia
(adriatik, 20 April 2013 12:21)

Nobody really wants to control Albanian populated areas. But at the same time, it doesn't mean the Serbian gov't should give the KLA legitimacy by being in the same room with them.

This agreement if the Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija will not accept it means nothing really. Daciq will just like his Slobo mentor be but a sh*t stain in Serbian history. What was signed is not even as important as meeting with representatives of terrorist organizations to begin with.

However, I would like to point out that Albanians on here posting with Anglo-Saxon names act as if their side "won" anything. All this proves is what we have known all along, the current Serbian Government is compliant with occupation of its southern province.

But even with such a treasonous Serb gov't you still cannot go to Mitrovica (and would probably lose if you did) and cannot have a seat at the UN. And you won something? You only 'won' anything at all when Serbia's government shook hands with Albanian terrorists.

Put the agreement to a vote by the people! See if they choose Kosovo or the EU. This is nothing short of treason by Dacic and Nikolic, all for an EU that offers Serbia nothing. Now that Serbia has recognized Kosovo, can the loss of the Presevo Valley and Vojvodina be far behind? Will Serbia become nothing but a vassal to Germany? Serbia has been betrayed and destroyed by leaders who swore to defend her! Let the people answer this betrayal.

So you don't recognize kosovo as a state but you recognize it's laws?
(Bridge, 20 April 2013 13:08)

The people don't recognize anything other than an occupation.

"Before surrendering to despair, remember that the People is above the State, and the State is above the Government. Not the other way around."

There must be something wrong with my laptop screen. I can't see any text in agreement mentioning a word about Kosovo armed forces being able or not being able to enter the Northern Kosovo. You think this is caused by a Serbian or Albanian virus?

Then I read that "Serbian negotiators have received guarantees from NATO that the Kosovo Security Forces (KSF) will not be able to "come to northern Kosovo", and a creepy feeling started to grow inside of me. Are Serbian official falling for this? Where are the details of these guarantees? Does a signed document exist?

Then I read Petrit Selimi, Kosovo’s deputy minister of foreign affairs, saying that Kosovo agreed not to deploy its security forces in the North for an unspecified number of years, except during emergencies like earthquakes.

An unspecified number of years?

It's not my business to tell Serbian people what to do, to accept or not the agreement. I only hope they take time to read and understand the agreement. They MUST see how the other side WILL READ the agreement. And how the EU , NATO, the USA will read it, because that's the way how it will be put in force.

This agreement does provide protection to Serbs in Kosova.
This is much better than the status quo and certainly much better than the alternative!!!

The Kosovar Albanians were masterful in the negotiations. Their strategy was to not budge an inch. They knew full well that the Serbs were at a disadvantage and they made that an advantage. the Kosovars asked for everything and gave nothing. When the time came...they knew they can give up a few things that didnt matter and that Serbia would take it and be happy and play it up like a "victory". Example: regional police commander working on Pristinas laws and being employed by Pristina.

The so called "fight" is over. Serbs accepted what they got in return to make peace. Now, the thugs in the north will be dealt with that create problems. Pristina will send the orders to arrest scum and Serbs will arrest their own on behalf of the independent country of Kosova that they work for and that they pay taxes too and that they get a pay check from.

Congratulations Kosova! If you dont see it now...you will eventually. This is a great moment.

It's not my business to tell Serbian people what to do, to accept or not the agreement. I only hope they take time to read and understand the agreement. They MUST see how the other side WILL READ the agreement. And how the EU , NATO, the USA will read it, because that's the way how it will be put in force.
(Olli, 20 April 2013 15:37)
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I agree with you 100%.
It is so scary, so very scary that Serbia is going to sign this. I had a horrible feeling when Tadic agreed to EULEX knowing that nobody is going to keep their end of the bargain and they totally tossed out all the rules they signed for and allowed Albanians to terrorize Serbs and go wreak havoc.

Now they are going to trust that Albanians are not going to keep attacking. Who are they not protecting? Let's see. What deal did the Serbs in the south get? Is there any mention?
North is going to adhere to Kosovo laws. How come? If any part of Kosovo is not recognized then the north should use Serbia's laws which are not written by the EU.

Why are Serbs here kidding themselves? Why are they still thinking there is anything good in this agreement?

If this is signed off on then SERBIA HAS RECOGNIZED KOSOVO. Simple.

(Albanian, 20 April 2013 13:50)

I am more upset that the meetings took place at all, rather than the signature itself. Whatever was signed is only worth the person who had the pen in their hand. Best example- Alija Izetbegovic signed to finish the war in Bosnia back in 93', and after "consultations" said his signature is no longer valid.

Your military already tried to make their way to Northern Kosovo i Metohija, and were defeated in 2011. The Serbian military wasn't there to enter Kosovo i Metohija then either. The Serbs in the province will apply whatever laws are in their interests.

Dacic is right, this is the best Serbia could get now. I think Serbs have caught on that in the future, even this would not have been possible. Time is not on Serbia's side.
Having said that, this is a major cave from Serbia. I frankly didn't expect them to cave this much, this easy. But as I think more about this, I think Serbs had no alternative. They could not let 60k Serbs on the north of Kosovo hold 7m Serbs hostage. So, they made a rational decision.
Folks, read the 15 point agreement posted on B92 site and make your own conclusion. Don't take Dacic's and Thaci's word-they are politicians and will spin to make themselves look good. I read it and what Dacic is saying is simply a spinn.
1. Nothing in the agreement about "future" Kosovo Army not being able to got to the north. Dacic says he has received verbal agreement from current NATO head that he will not let KSF to go to the north. Fine, and this will probably be the case for the next few years, but there will be a new NATO head and he has no obligation to honor what in effect is a verbal promise from his predecessor. I am sure Dacic knows better, but he needs to latch on to anything that makes the agreement more acceptable to Serbs.
2. Agreement says that the association is to be formed based on the framework of how the other muncipal association are formed in Kosovo. Don't kid anyone, this is basic local self government.
3. Police Commander selected from the center
4. Thaci did a minor cave regarding UN.

“This is the first time that the international community is on our side and this should open up a new era in Serbia’s relations with the West,” the prime minister added.

LOVE THE SENTENCE FOR SOME REASON!

Danilo, tut, tut, tut. Overseas Serbs have as much right to make comment as yours seems to 'slide'away. Serbs are one, no matter which part of the world they live.

Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia, not Australians for whom "Serbia" is some kind of hobby practised at the computer after homework is finished) would love this issue to be over and done with.
(Danilo, 20 April 2013 14:49)
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Now listen you closet Albanian, don't you dare speak for me or any other Serb.
I would love this issue to be over as soon as possible but no capitulation by Serbia. Those Serbs in Kosovo are the prey now and will be gotten rid of one way or the other.
I care about the Serbs in Kosovo very much and they are not a hobby for me.
When you presume so much you show us what a racist hateful person you are and don't use a Serbian name any longer unless you admit that you are not.
Danilo does not fool us at all.

All I can say is that if Serbs accept this BS then they deserve to lose Vojvodina as well. They don't have loyalty to their own and therefore don't deserve anything themselves.

Before these negotiations serbs in Kosovo had nothing, now they got something. To bad albanians can only accept a peace deal that is humiliating to serbs. However, savage albanian behavior has changed the sentiments in the west who now realize that serbs in Kosovo are threatened by albanian terrorists and need to have rights in order to survive and remain in their homeland.

The US and EU ultimate goal is to break up Serbia into as many peaces possible.If the Kosovo Serbs like the deal,fine .What Dacic did was a tentative agreement which is nothing until it gets approved or not approved back home.Nothing more nothing less.

Albanian

You actually think Nato will allow armed albanians to enter serb dominate north?
You will have bloodshed and your deranged if you think this will be allowed. By not recognizing Kosovo Serbia wont have to respect Kosovo boundries and could and shoul assist its people if attacked by organ snatchers and terrorists.

According to him, this is the first time that guarantees have been given that the Kosovo army will not be able to enter northern Kosovo without KFOR and NATO’s consent.

Look who he put in charge of security, the Serbs greatest ally. This is a recognition that Nato decides who is in charge.

This is Munich all over again.

This agreement if the Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija will not accept it means nothing really. Daciq will just like his Slobo mentor be but a sh*t stain in Serbian history. What was signed is not even as important as meeting with representatives of terrorist organizations to begin with.

However, I would like to point out that Albanians on here posting with Anglo-Saxon names act as if their side "won" anything. All this proves is what we have known all along, the current Serbian Government is compliant with occupation of its southern province.

But even with such a treasonous Serb gov't you still cannot go to Mitrovica (and would probably lose if you did) and cannot have a seat at the UN. And you won something? You only 'won' anything at all when Serbia's government shook hands with Albanian terrorists.
(Ari Gold, 20 April 2013 12:53)

I'm sure the Serbs in KiM will accept it because according to a certain Ari Gold this agreement should be taken as a win for the Serbs :)

Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia, not Australians for whom "Serbia" is some kind of hobby practised at the computer after homework is finished) would love this issue to be over and done with.
(Danilo, 20 April 2013 14:49)

My friends, here we arrive to the biggest threat to the future of Serbia-the self hating Serb. He primarily is located in Belgrade and is more concerned with the latest episode of Veliki Brat or Farma and could give a damn about the future of Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija.

The self hating Serbs is willing to compromise on absolutely everything because he hates the fact he is Serbian. The self-hating Serb waits for Natasa Kandic to come out with a statement before they are allowed to form an opinion on anything.

This was one of the worst things to come out of Serbia's occupation during communism. You get a certain demographic of morally corrupt people who have been so mind fu**ed that they hate themselves and everyone around them.

And this is Serbia's biggest threat. Not a snake in Pristina, not socialist bureaucrats in Brussels and not neo-Cons in Washington. Its the small minority of these crazies that usually reside in Belgrade.

BELGRADE -- I expect the ruling coalition to accept Brussels' offer which is the best Belgrade can get at the moment, Prime Minister Ivica Dačić has said.
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Why do you have to accept ANY offer from Brussels? Stick with your terms and don't cave it for some pie in the sky called EU.
Kosovo is part of Serbia and you have just given it away and condemned those poor Serbs to a life of misery and extinction.
You deserve to go there and live there yourself if you think the Serbs there have a good deal.

You DID NOT have a mandate for this. You did not go to the electorate with this and therefore HAVE NO RIGHT.

To Ari, the hobby-Serb,

Call people who have a different concept for your country than you "self hating" all you like. Frankly, it's ridiculous. It's a type of threat to a person's character who's only intent is to stifle conversation. It puts certain things outside the realm of "acceptable" topics.

If anyone hates (some, many) Serbs it's people like you. You've learned some very rigid parameters of what's acceptable and what's not acceptable for dialogue, and you hate those (Serbs) that fall outside of that.

THAT is the biggest threat to Serbia. Because of THAT Serbia has suffered. Why, because it's important for dialogue to flow so that people can grow and, if needed, change.

Look at Canada, for example. It's had lots of attacks to its very essence and many attempts from a province to separate. What happened? It became part of the dialogue. Separatists were part of the mainstream and separatism part of the mainstream dialogue. As a result, separatism slowly died a natural death as those concerns became part of the normal discourse.

I assure you, Canada would look a lot different today if they looked to Serbia for how to deal with an existential threat. That's one example of several.

So, no Ari, you can't bully me with your name-calling and you certainly can't bully actual Serbs (people that were born here and live all their lives here) with these silly attempts at "outcasting" from your computer in Australia.

Is "Peggy" YOUR real name, btw? Nice Serbian name :)

Danilo

And what albanian is really named Brian, John, Willie, Ian, Marko etc?
We serbs have international names but you albs don't.
Using foreign names to make us think anyone likes you. Here is a shocker. No one, and i mean no one, likes albanians. You give yourselves credit because no one else will.

your impotent rage is hilarious. As is your hatred of Serbs if they don't conform to your nostalgia-version.
(Danilo, 21 April 2013 15:00)
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Where do you see hatred for Serbs in what I wrote?
Again, you Albanians are really on my last nerve with trying to put words in my mouth.

How desperate are you?

Where do you see hatred for Serbs in what I wrote?
Again, you Albanians are really on my last nerve with trying to put words in my mouth.

How desperate are you?
(Peggy, 21 April 2013 22:21)

Danillo congrats you have been de-Serb-ed by your own people. Now as an "albanian" you can really see the lengths of mediocrity we had to deal with for decades. If you don't think like them, if you don't follow their dogma, you are worthless, you are sub-human, you are Albanian. That is Serb nationalism at its best for you. I hope you like this new position.

@Peggy, I've been on these boards for 3-4 years. 3-4 years ago you were claiming you were not Serb and that you only had connections with Serbs. I don't forget that as I was accused by you an Jovan why I chose as certain screen name; as if I needed to enter my passport information to write a post here on B92. You know like you're accusing Danillo today. You are capable of things like that seeing how you are treating Danillo.

According to the prime minister, Serbia will by Monday inform EU High Representative Catherine Ashton whether it accepts the offer. He stressed that this was the first time that the international community had been on Serbia’s side.

“It is certain that these were long and difficult talks, they lasted more than six months, we met ten times and we did not only negotiate with (Kosovo PM) Hashim Thaci but with the entire West and we were alone against them all most of the time,” he stressed.

In the first paragraph he says that this was the first time that the international community stood on Serbia's side and in the very next sentence he contradicts himself by saying that Serbia was alone against Thaci and the entire West. This guy must have the IQ of a twelve year old. It's really a shame for Serbia to have such people in such offices in such a crucial time.
(thanasis, 20 April 2013 11:33)

not really, what he is trying to say is that the west was against serbia untill the last 2 meetings where they decided to change their mind and accept serbia's proposals and force them upon kosovo...

I wasn't commenting on "his right to comment", silly girl. I was commenting on his ability to actually comprehend the situation and, therefore how fundamentally silly most of his imaginings of Serbia are.

"Serbs are one"? what the hell does that even mean? Whenever someone tries to sell me that line in Serbia, it's ALWAYS a prelude to a scam or being overcharged. always.

Well 63% of serbs in Serbia recognize Kosova independence and that was demanded at this talks and that was what was given by Serbia. Serbs are so powerless in Kosova that pristina will appoint the police chief!!!

@Captain America: Why in Koha Ditore most commentators want to hang Hashim?
(Puzzled?

Because they dislike him and they're ready for change in leadership.

For those who have an appreciation for movies I'd like to reference a scene from 'The Usual Suspects' where Kevin Spacey says

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

Similarly, the greatest trick that's being played on the Serbs is to convince them that the agreement favors them.'

So Ari, MIkeC, Zoran and the likes I'm here to congratulate you on your victory again. YOu've won! Kosovo is Serbia.

I hope the agreement is signed by all signed and no change of heart occurs.

MikeC what deal did you read? Serbs get nothing. They had much more before this deal but that was bad for Serbia being in the EU so now for Serbia to be in the EU serbs now have nothing in kosova at all. They have nothing so much so that pristina will appoint the police chief!!

"don't you dare speak for me or any other Serb."

I'm not. That's the point. You Australians on here love to appoint yourselves spokesmen for Serbia and I love pointing out how ridiculous that is.

As for your invitation to change my name, thanks, but I think I'll keep the one my parents gave me.

Is "Peggy" YOUR real name, btw? Nice Serbian name :)

"All I can say is that if Serbs accept this BS then they deserve to lose Vojvodina as well. They don't have loyalty to their own and therefore don't deserve anything themselves"

your impotent rage is hilarious. As is your hatred of Serbs if they don't conform to your nostalgia-version.

Is "Peggy" YOUR real name, btw? Nice Serbian name :)

Danilo
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No but I have NEVER claimed that I wasn't a Serb. Now you on the other hand are trying to fool us into thinking that you are a Serb by using a Serbian name.
Like I said, I don't mind what name you use as long as you don't use that name to imply that you are of that nationality.

BTW, most people I know call me Peggy and yes there is a reason for it.

"Brian"

If your not albanian then I'm Santa Claus. There are a couple of albs at this forum with multiple personalities and nicks, pretending to be everything from Europeans to aliens. And pretending to have the support from the whole universe. The west did help you steal Serbian territory, not because they love you but because they want to sent criminal albanians back without them complaining about Miloseviq treating them bad. Amazing thet after 12 years of international rule Kosovo is still a dump with people like you in it. And unless your boyfriend is albanian when did a westerner refer to Kosovo as Kosova?

So, no Ari, you can't bully me with your name-calling and you certainly can't bully actual Serbs (people that were born here and live all their lives here) with these silly attempts at "outcasting" from your computer in Australia.
(Danilo, 21 April 2013 14:36)
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Danilo, you seem very angry that us Serbs from diaspora care enough to take time, read the news and comment on what is happening in Serbia. Why does it bother you so much? Do you not want us to care?
I have NEVER seen you once talk like this to an Albanian who also lives abroad and comes here constantly and trashes Serbs and rejoices when things go wrong for Serbs.
Why is that? Why haven't you once condemned what Albanians do to us in Kosovo? Why haven't you once condemned any Albanian for being anti Serb?

I can suspect the reason.
Also might you just be a tad jealous that you don't live in Australia and resent Serbs that do even more?

Danilo said, "Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia)..."

What a stupid comment.

It is horrifying that some people live in the belief that:
1 America and the European Union is about to go bankrupt
2 As soon as the USA and the EU fail, Russians, Chinese and Brazilians establish a new world order
3 The new world order that was established in the previous section is suitable for Serbs
4 Serbs to return to Kosovo of military, in Eastern Slavonia, Serbian Krajina ...

@Olli: Issue of Kosovo Army presence/absance in different parts of Kosovo is irrelevant after agreement is reached. The only (previous) problem with army presence was a possibility of a military action. However, the agreement effectively legalises current political structures of the North (it will be election, but guess who will win) while any military action against Serbs would be a gross violation of the agreement. Kosovo low as a term is there to secure that Hasim Taci is not hanged when he is back, as there is no difference between Kosovo and Serbian low; both are the same as they were both written by EU. Note that throughut agreement there is not a single reference to Kosovo as a state, and the term is used more in a teritorrial sense.

@Captain America: Why in Koha Ditore most commentators want to hang Hashim?

"According to him, this is the first time that guarantees have been given that the Kosovo army will not be able to enter northern Kosovo without KFOR and NATO’s consent."

Huh! But according to what the true Serb patriots in these forums have been saying for years, Kosovo already could do nothing without the approval of their masters KFOR and NATO...

Brian

You as an albanian would of course like to think serbs got nothing. But serbs had nothning going in to the negotiations. What we had was unrecognized self rule. Belgrade agreed to this deal and will get an date. Its a totaly different story if it will at all be possible to implement the deal without violence. And who's fault would that be? Not Belgrades for sure. You albanians are such misserable people. You need to think you got it all and serbs got nothing to feel good about yourselves. For me its a victory to see that serbs have remained in Kosovo and that your campaign of ethnic clensing has failed. As long as there are serbs in Kosovo it will never be trully independent and always unrecognized by Serbia.

"And what albanian is really named Brian, John, Willie, Ian, Marko etc? "

I don't know, Mike. unlike you, I'm not an expert on all Albanians the world over.

Mike C

I am not an Albanian. I can read though! Pristina laws says Kosova and this deal eliminates any self rule of serbs based on Serbia's law. Serbia now says it is Kosova. Kosova will appoint the police chiefs and write all laws on education and healthcare in serb areas. Before serbs did everything based on Serbia law now they have to do it on Kosova law. This could not be more total recognition of kosova by Serbia. Just read the agreement. I used to write Kosovo but that makes no sense now at all. Belgrade has recognized Kosova.

I'm not trying to fool anyone, Peggy.

I don't understand why you're so obsessed with my ethnic heritage. I've already told you it's Serbian. I'm in mid-age and haven't had much contact with Serbia until recently, so I'm not really Serbian culturally. I was born in North America and lives most of my life there. I have few distant relatives in Serbia.

Not really sure why any of this matters or why you care.

Perhaps it bothers you because you think "All Serbs think such and such" or "no Serb would think such and such" or "only an albanian would say such a thing".

Anyway, it's a bit annoying you having this, "admit ur albanian!!!111" conversation with you or whoever.

What difference does it make anyway? We're talking about ideas here, who cares who I am even. Does the ethnicity of the person behind the computer really matter when listening to their ideas? Do you have this standard in all your interactions in life? Do you demand to know the ethnic heritage of your boss and coworkers, for example, so you can filter what they say through that.

Honestly, I don't get it, but I know that there's nothing I can really say. You'll be frothing, "shut up albo troll", along with a few others no matter what I say, so I'll just leave it at that.

No Peggy,

Once again you misunderstand.

I can pour my heart out on here and all I'll get is, "ya, right, jealous Alb" in return.

I've never been to Australia. I hear it's nice. Not sure why I'd be jealous, though. I could go anytime I wanted to, if the course of my life took me in that direction.

I've never been to Australia. I hear it's nice. Not sure why I'd be jealous, though. I could go anytime I wanted to, if the course of my life took me in that direction.
(Danilo, 22 April 2013 10:28)
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Really?
Then why don't you? What's stopping you?
You are jealous of all the people who have migrated to the west so much that you can't stand to hear from them.
Typical Albanian attitude.
And yes, you are Albanian because no Serb not even a self hating Serb would call Kosovo Kosova.
You are one mean, jealous, full of hangups little guy.

I'm not trying to fool anyone, Peggy.

I don't understand why you're so obsessed with my ethnic heritage. I've already told you it's Serbian. I'm in mid-age and haven't had much contact with Serbia until recently, so I'm not really Serbian culturally. I was born in North America and lives most of my life there. I have few distant relatives in Serbia.
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So now you are American. Make up your mind little Albo.
First you say that you have a business in Serbia (implication that you live there) and now you are saying that you only have distant relatives there.
Also you are so keen to get through to me that it doesn't matter what you are.
Sure, it doesn't but then why do you say you are Serbian? Why lie about it? Do you think that your opinion will carry more weight if you are a Serb and constantly condemn the Serbs?
Why is that anyway?
One question I have asked already and you have not bothered to answer is why don't you ever condemn anything Albanians say here or do?
Not once have to said anything negative about Albanians but always about Serbs.
So no Danilo, you are not a Serb that's for sure.
So it matter a great deal then what ethnicity you are because it shows bias.
At least we Serbs here are honest about who we are. Seems that Albanians just cannot be honest about anything.

BTW, No Serbs would ever say KosovA no matter how much they didn't agree with certain policies or Serbian opinions here.
That gives you away.

@Peggy, I've been on these boards for 3-4 years. 3-4 years ago you were claiming you were not Serb and that you only had connections with Serbs. I don't forget that as I was accused by you an Jovan why I chose as certain screen name; as if I needed to enter my passport information to write a post here on B92. You know like you're accusing Danillo today. You are capable of things like that seeing how you are treating Danillo.
(j, 21 April 2013 23:53)
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BS, show me where I have ever claimed that I was not Serbian.
I am 100% certain that I have never done that so do prove it or you can go to Hell.
You Albanians really lie a lot.
Go one, show me where I said that.
I do remember saying that I had connections to Serbian refugees here but that is not what you are saying.

You people lie so much it makes me sick.

@Peggy, I've been on these boards for 3-4 years. 3-4 years ago you were claiming you were not Serb
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ha ha ha! you know, just out of curiosity, I did a google search of the forums in the time range of 3-4 years ago. I didn't find any posts of Peggy's claiming she wasn't a Serb, but I found a lot of her accusing people they weren't Serbian. LOL! Someone might need a new hobby. You know, Peggy, you might be able to save some time and write a script for that. Something that scans the page and compares it to a list of Serbian names you compile and post that they're not Serbian. It would free up a lot of time.

ha ha ha! you know, just out of curiosity, I did a google search of the forums in the time range of 3-4 years ago. I didn't find any posts of Peggy's claiming she wasn't a Serb,
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Do you have that much free time on your hands? I am glad that you did that because it proves what I said. I never, ever claimed that I was not a Serb so why all the lies?
Why is this silly person saying something which he can't prove?
Is he hoping someone is just going to take his word for it?
Yes, you're right, I have said that some people pretend not to be of a certain ethnicity and I am right. Too many people try to get away with a lie here.
So what is wrong with saying that I don't believe these people?

Again, I am not against people using names of any sort as long as they don't use those names to lie.

i have yet to hear a Serb articulate how they will control a territory where the overwhelming majority is dead set against it. Kosova doesn't come without the Albanians. little by little reality is taking over in Serbia
(adriatik, 20 April 2013 12:21)

Nobody really wants to control Albanian populated areas. But at the same time, it doesn't mean the Serbian gov't should give the KLA legitimacy by being in the same room with them.

This agreement if the Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija will not accept it means nothing really. Daciq will just like his Slobo mentor be but a sh*t stain in Serbian history. What was signed is not even as important as meeting with representatives of terrorist organizations to begin with.

However, I would like to point out that Albanians on here posting with Anglo-Saxon names act as if their side "won" anything. All this proves is what we have known all along, the current Serbian Government is compliant with occupation of its southern province.

But even with such a treasonous Serb gov't you still cannot go to Mitrovica (and would probably lose if you did) and cannot have a seat at the UN. And you won something? You only 'won' anything at all when Serbia's government shook hands with Albanian terrorists.

So you don't recognize kosovo as a state but you recognize it's laws?
(Bridge, 20 April 2013 13:08)

The people don't recognize anything other than an occupation.

"Before surrendering to despair, remember that the People is above the State, and the State is above the Government. Not the other way around."

"the best Belgrade can get at the moment" says Dacic, whatever it is, it had better not include selling-out Kosovo because "Kosovo" is not "Mladic" and the people of Serbia will not quietly just accept it. The deal will have historical implications, Dacic and gang will go down in history as the losers that gave up the heart of Serbia, they will never recover from this just like the last Serbian "Royals" never recovered from their cowardly running away from Serbia when the Germans invaded during World War 2 which paved the way for Tito. Ultimately another political party will be destroyed just like the Democratic party is now and the Church will more or less get stronger and rule but proxy. There is no "the best Belgrade can get at the moment" it will be a permanent thing and no way to improve it later. Dacic and gang do not have the right to negotiate away Kosovo not without consulting with the people of Serbia which would require a referendum, if they do, its criminal.

(Albanian, 20 April 2013 13:50)

I am more upset that the meetings took place at all, rather than the signature itself. Whatever was signed is only worth the person who had the pen in their hand. Best example- Alija Izetbegovic signed to finish the war in Bosnia back in 93', and after "consultations" said his signature is no longer valid.

Your military already tried to make their way to Northern Kosovo i Metohija, and were defeated in 2011. The Serbian military wasn't there to enter Kosovo i Metohija then either. The Serbs in the province will apply whatever laws are in their interests.

This is not the best deal for Serbia and Serbian people in Kosovo. Mr Dacic you sold the Serbian people and there souls to the sinking Titanic.Its not true that this is the only option for Serbia, Serbia has Russia, China, Africa and Middle East to do business with.If their is one dissent Politician in Beograd then for the sake of Serbia and Serbian people don't sign this agreement.

"The people don't recognize anything other than an occupation"

No one's appointed you spokesman for any "the people", Ari.

Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia, not Australians for whom "Serbia" is some kind of hobby practised at the computer after homework is finished) would love this issue to be over and done with.

Before these negotiations serbs in Kosovo had nothing, now they got something. To bad albanians can only accept a peace deal that is humiliating to serbs. However, savage albanian behavior has changed the sentiments in the west who now realize that serbs in Kosovo are threatened by albanian terrorists and need to have rights in order to survive and remain in their homeland.

Serbia de facto recognized kosovo. Serb police in north ok but under kosovo law. So you have one law in kosovo and another outside kosovo? two diffrent laws? And also the court in north ( run by serbs..fine ) but under kosovo law again. If this would've been " serb kosovo police in north under serbian law " it would've been a diffrent story. So you don't recognize kosovo as a state but you recognize it's laws?

well, if best possible solution means a collection of municipalities who have to apply Kosova law, then yes, they have done the best. it seems to me, there is a certain realization that has set in amongst the ruling politicians in Serbia. truth is, you will not be able to get control of Kosova without getting the 93% Albanian population think that they'd be better of under Serbian jurisdiction. i have yet to hear a Serb articulate how they will control a territory where the overwhelming majority is dead set against it. Kosova doesn't come without the Albanians. little by little reality is taking over in Serbia

I agree this this is a good deal. I do hope that this will improve life of people in Kosovo and foster EU integrations. Maybe somebody is able to advise me where is the best place to eat burek in Pristina?

@ARI

Clearly you are extremely upset with the agreements signed by your Serbian government, Kosova will do everything necessary to get it through those Serbians thick heads in N. Kosova that Serbia is no longer their daddy. Serbia just handed over Northern part, did u read the agreement Ari? Kosovar Troops cannot eneter North without NATO's consent. Exactly how long will it be before Kosova gets the green light from NATO to get control over North, while Serbia will sit by and do nothing because they have signed off already. Ari you will keep on getting disappointed even more in near future remember that.

I can advise you Serbians to save Vojvodina and Sandjak,but Kosova is end of story,I ve been personally deported end of march 1999 from your bandits that u released from prisons We didn't retaliate what u deserved but best punishment is Independent Kosova . That inmature person Dacic from Prizren is not smart at all comparing to Thaqi,and your boring president tries to fool u that u will never recognised Kosova .Thats bs.. In few years slowly we will join NATO and u will see Albanian soldiers from All parts of ethnic Albania in the border.Bye Bye

This agreement does provide protection to Serbs in Kosova.
This is much better than the status quo and certainly much better than the alternative!!!

@Olli: Issue of Kosovo Army presence/absance in different parts of Kosovo is irrelevant after agreement is reached. The only (previous) problem with army presence was a possibility of a military action. However, the agreement effectively legalises current political structures of the North (it will be election, but guess who will win) while any military action against Serbs would be a gross violation of the agreement. Kosovo low as a term is there to secure that Hasim Taci is not hanged when he is back, as there is no difference between Kosovo and Serbian low; both are the same as they were both written by EU. Note that throughut agreement there is not a single reference to Kosovo as a state, and the term is used more in a teritorrial sense.

Albanian

You actually think Nato will allow armed albanians to enter serb dominate north?
You will have bloodshed and your deranged if you think this will be allowed. By not recognizing Kosovo Serbia wont have to respect Kosovo boundries and could and shoul assist its people if attacked by organ snatchers and terrorists.

I do not think that you grasped the essence of the agreement. It provides max protection to Serbs while it freezes current (limbo) status of Kosovo (if you can not understand how, ask me and I will explain). This is much better than the status quo and certainly much better than the alternative (see under "Oluja"). Dacic had few days ago discussions with Russia and he knows well what they told him, i.e. that they will defend us as they did in 1999.

This is not even second best. It's somewhere in the distance I believe. I bow my head in shame which most Serbs will probably do too. The slid continues for Serbia...oh shame, shame, shame. Forget the EU and get Serbia in order as the people at home need the help more than those in Kosovo. Help will come their way in time.

There must be something wrong with my laptop screen. I can't see any text in agreement mentioning a word about Kosovo armed forces being able or not being able to enter the Northern Kosovo. You think this is caused by a Serbian or Albanian virus?

Then I read that "Serbian negotiators have received guarantees from NATO that the Kosovo Security Forces (KSF) will not be able to "come to northern Kosovo", and a creepy feeling started to grow inside of me. Are Serbian official falling for this? Where are the details of these guarantees? Does a signed document exist?

Then I read Petrit Selimi, Kosovo’s deputy minister of foreign affairs, saying that Kosovo agreed not to deploy its security forces in the North for an unspecified number of years, except during emergencies like earthquakes.

An unspecified number of years?

It's not my business to tell Serbian people what to do, to accept or not the agreement. I only hope they take time to read and understand the agreement. They MUST see how the other side WILL READ the agreement. And how the EU , NATO, the USA will read it, because that's the way how it will be put in force.

The US and EU ultimate goal is to break up Serbia into as many peaces possible.If the Kosovo Serbs like the deal,fine .What Dacic did was a tentative agreement which is nothing until it gets approved or not approved back home.Nothing more nothing less.

Danilo, tut, tut, tut. Overseas Serbs have as much right to make comment as yours seems to 'slide'away. Serbs are one, no matter which part of the world they live.

Brian

You as an albanian would of course like to think serbs got nothing. But serbs had nothning going in to the negotiations. What we had was unrecognized self rule. Belgrade agreed to this deal and will get an date. Its a totaly different story if it will at all be possible to implement the deal without violence. And who's fault would that be? Not Belgrades for sure. You albanians are such misserable people. You need to think you got it all and serbs got nothing to feel good about yourselves. For me its a victory to see that serbs have remained in Kosovo and that your campaign of ethnic clensing has failed. As long as there are serbs in Kosovo it will never be trully independent and always unrecognized by Serbia.

The Kosovar Albanians were masterful in the negotiations. Their strategy was to not budge an inch. They knew full well that the Serbs were at a disadvantage and they made that an advantage. the Kosovars asked for everything and gave nothing. When the time came...they knew they can give up a few things that didnt matter and that Serbia would take it and be happy and play it up like a "victory". Example: regional police commander working on Pristinas laws and being employed by Pristina.

The so called "fight" is over. Serbs accepted what they got in return to make peace. Now, the thugs in the north will be dealt with that create problems. Pristina will send the orders to arrest scum and Serbs will arrest their own on behalf of the independent country of Kosova that they work for and that they pay taxes too and that they get a pay check from.

Congratulations Kosova! If you dont see it now...you will eventually. This is a great moment.

@Captain America: Why in Koha Ditore most commentators want to hang Hashim?

I wasn't commenting on "his right to comment", silly girl. I was commenting on his ability to actually comprehend the situation and, therefore how fundamentally silly most of his imaginings of Serbia are.

"Serbs are one"? what the hell does that even mean? Whenever someone tries to sell me that line in Serbia, it's ALWAYS a prelude to a scam or being overcharged. always.

"All I can say is that if Serbs accept this BS then they deserve to lose Vojvodina as well. They don't have loyalty to their own and therefore don't deserve anything themselves"

your impotent rage is hilarious. As is your hatred of Serbs if they don't conform to your nostalgia-version.

According to the prime minister, Serbia will by Monday inform EU High Representative Catherine Ashton whether it accepts the offer. He stressed that this was the first time that the international community had been on Serbia’s side.

“It is certain that these were long and difficult talks, they lasted more than six months, we met ten times and we did not only negotiate with (Kosovo PM) Hashim Thaci but with the entire West and we were alone against them all most of the time,” he stressed.

In the first paragraph he says that this was the first time that the international community stood on Serbia's side and in the very next sentence he contradicts himself by saying that Serbia was alone against Thaci and the entire West. This guy must have the IQ of a twelve year old. It's really a shame for Serbia to have such people in such offices in such a crucial time.

Put the agreement to a vote by the people! See if they choose Kosovo or the EU. This is nothing short of treason by Dacic and Nikolic, all for an EU that offers Serbia nothing. Now that Serbia has recognized Kosovo, can the loss of the Presevo Valley and Vojvodina be far behind? Will Serbia become nothing but a vassal to Germany? Serbia has been betrayed and destroyed by leaders who swore to defend her! Let the people answer this betrayal.

According to him, this is the first time that guarantees have been given that the Kosovo army will not be able to enter northern Kosovo without KFOR and NATO’s consent.

Look who he put in charge of security, the Serbs greatest ally. This is a recognition that Nato decides who is in charge.

This is Munich all over again.

BELGRADE -- I expect the ruling coalition to accept Brussels' offer which is the best Belgrade can get at the moment, Prime Minister Ivica Dačić has said.
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Why do you have to accept ANY offer from Brussels? Stick with your terms and don't cave it for some pie in the sky called EU.
Kosovo is part of Serbia and you have just given it away and condemned those poor Serbs to a life of misery and extinction.
You deserve to go there and live there yourself if you think the Serbs there have a good deal.

You DID NOT have a mandate for this. You did not go to the electorate with this and therefore HAVE NO RIGHT.

Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia, not Australians for whom "Serbia" is some kind of hobby practised at the computer after homework is finished) would love this issue to be over and done with.
(Danilo, 20 April 2013 14:49)

My friends, here we arrive to the biggest threat to the future of Serbia-the self hating Serb. He primarily is located in Belgrade and is more concerned with the latest episode of Veliki Brat or Farma and could give a damn about the future of Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija.

The self hating Serbs is willing to compromise on absolutely everything because he hates the fact he is Serbian. The self-hating Serb waits for Natasa Kandic to come out with a statement before they are allowed to form an opinion on anything.

This was one of the worst things to come out of Serbia's occupation during communism. You get a certain demographic of morally corrupt people who have been so mind fu**ed that they hate themselves and everyone around them.

And this is Serbia's biggest threat. Not a snake in Pristina, not socialist bureaucrats in Brussels and not neo-Cons in Washington. Its the small minority of these crazies that usually reside in Belgrade.

Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia, not Australians for whom "Serbia" is some kind of hobby practised at the computer after homework is finished) would love this issue to be over and done with.
(Danilo, 20 April 2013 14:49)
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Now listen you closet Albanian, don't you dare speak for me or any other Serb.
I would love this issue to be over as soon as possible but no capitulation by Serbia. Those Serbs in Kosovo are the prey now and will be gotten rid of one way or the other.
I care about the Serbs in Kosovo very much and they are not a hobby for me.
When you presume so much you show us what a racist hateful person you are and don't use a Serbian name any longer unless you admit that you are not.
Danilo does not fool us at all.

All I can say is that if Serbs accept this BS then they deserve to lose Vojvodina as well. They don't have loyalty to their own and therefore don't deserve anything themselves.

"don't you dare speak for me or any other Serb."

I'm not. That's the point. You Australians on here love to appoint yourselves spokesmen for Serbia and I love pointing out how ridiculous that is.

As for your invitation to change my name, thanks, but I think I'll keep the one my parents gave me.

Is "Peggy" YOUR real name, btw? Nice Serbian name :)

To Ari, the hobby-Serb,

Call people who have a different concept for your country than you "self hating" all you like. Frankly, it's ridiculous. It's a type of threat to a person's character who's only intent is to stifle conversation. It puts certain things outside the realm of "acceptable" topics.

If anyone hates (some, many) Serbs it's people like you. You've learned some very rigid parameters of what's acceptable and what's not acceptable for dialogue, and you hate those (Serbs) that fall outside of that.

THAT is the biggest threat to Serbia. Because of THAT Serbia has suffered. Why, because it's important for dialogue to flow so that people can grow and, if needed, change.

Look at Canada, for example. It's had lots of attacks to its very essence and many attempts from a province to separate. What happened? It became part of the dialogue. Separatists were part of the mainstream and separatism part of the mainstream dialogue. As a result, separatism slowly died a natural death as those concerns became part of the normal discourse.

I assure you, Canada would look a lot different today if they looked to Serbia for how to deal with an existential threat. That's one example of several.

So, no Ari, you can't bully me with your name-calling and you certainly can't bully actual Serbs (people that were born here and live all their lives here) with these silly attempts at "outcasting" from your computer in Australia.

Is "Peggy" YOUR real name, btw? Nice Serbian name :)

Danilo

And what albanian is really named Brian, John, Willie, Ian, Marko etc?
We serbs have international names but you albs don't.
Using foreign names to make us think anyone likes you. Here is a shocker. No one, and i mean no one, likes albanians. You give yourselves credit because no one else will.

your impotent rage is hilarious. As is your hatred of Serbs if they don't conform to your nostalgia-version.
(Danilo, 21 April 2013 15:00)
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Where do you see hatred for Serbs in what I wrote?
Again, you Albanians are really on my last nerve with trying to put words in my mouth.

How desperate are you?

So, no Ari, you can't bully me with your name-calling and you certainly can't bully actual Serbs (people that were born here and live all their lives here) with these silly attempts at "outcasting" from your computer in Australia.
(Danilo, 21 April 2013 14:36)
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Danilo, you seem very angry that us Serbs from diaspora care enough to take time, read the news and comment on what is happening in Serbia. Why does it bother you so much? Do you not want us to care?
I have NEVER seen you once talk like this to an Albanian who also lives abroad and comes here constantly and trashes Serbs and rejoices when things go wrong for Serbs.
Why is that? Why haven't you once condemned what Albanians do to us in Kosovo? Why haven't you once condemned any Albanian for being anti Serb?

I can suspect the reason.
Also might you just be a tad jealous that you don't live in Australia and resent Serbs that do even more?

No Peggy,

Once again you misunderstand.

I can pour my heart out on here and all I'll get is, "ya, right, jealous Alb" in return.

I've never been to Australia. I hear it's nice. Not sure why I'd be jealous, though. I could go anytime I wanted to, if the course of my life took me in that direction.

I'm not trying to fool anyone, Peggy.

I don't understand why you're so obsessed with my ethnic heritage. I've already told you it's Serbian. I'm in mid-age and haven't had much contact with Serbia until recently, so I'm not really Serbian culturally. I was born in North America and lives most of my life there. I have few distant relatives in Serbia.
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So now you are American. Make up your mind little Albo.
First you say that you have a business in Serbia (implication that you live there) and now you are saying that you only have distant relatives there.
Also you are so keen to get through to me that it doesn't matter what you are.
Sure, it doesn't but then why do you say you are Serbian? Why lie about it? Do you think that your opinion will carry more weight if you are a Serb and constantly condemn the Serbs?
Why is that anyway?
One question I have asked already and you have not bothered to answer is why don't you ever condemn anything Albanians say here or do?
Not once have to said anything negative about Albanians but always about Serbs.
So no Danilo, you are not a Serb that's for sure.
So it matter a great deal then what ethnicity you are because it shows bias.
At least we Serbs here are honest about who we are. Seems that Albanians just cannot be honest about anything.

BTW, No Serbs would ever say KosovA no matter how much they didn't agree with certain policies or Serbian opinions here.
That gives you away.

@Peggy, I've been on these boards for 3-4 years. 3-4 years ago you were claiming you were not Serb and that you only had connections with Serbs. I don't forget that as I was accused by you an Jovan why I chose as certain screen name; as if I needed to enter my passport information to write a post here on B92. You know like you're accusing Danillo today. You are capable of things like that seeing how you are treating Danillo.
(j, 21 April 2013 23:53)
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BS, show me where I have ever claimed that I was not Serbian.
I am 100% certain that I have never done that so do prove it or you can go to Hell.
You Albanians really lie a lot.
Go one, show me where I said that.
I do remember saying that I had connections to Serbian refugees here but that is not what you are saying.

You people lie so much it makes me sick.

Funny, Dacic thinks that he achieved something for the Kosovo Serbs. They will be implementing Kosovo's laws in the courts in N. Kosovo. But keep playing your non-recognition game. No one really cares. If Kosovo is still Serbia, go to Pristina Mr. Dacic, and explain that to the citizens there.

Dacic is right, this is the best Serbia could get now. I think Serbs have caught on that in the future, even this would not have been possible. Time is not on Serbia's side.
Having said that, this is a major cave from Serbia. I frankly didn't expect them to cave this much, this easy. But as I think more about this, I think Serbs had no alternative. They could not let 60k Serbs on the north of Kosovo hold 7m Serbs hostage. So, they made a rational decision.
Folks, read the 15 point agreement posted on B92 site and make your own conclusion. Don't take Dacic's and Thaci's word-they are politicians and will spin to make themselves look good. I read it and what Dacic is saying is simply a spinn.
1. Nothing in the agreement about "future" Kosovo Army not being able to got to the north. Dacic says he has received verbal agreement from current NATO head that he will not let KSF to go to the north. Fine, and this will probably be the case for the next few years, but there will be a new NATO head and he has no obligation to honor what in effect is a verbal promise from his predecessor. I am sure Dacic knows better, but he needs to latch on to anything that makes the agreement more acceptable to Serbs.
2. Agreement says that the association is to be formed based on the framework of how the other muncipal association are formed in Kosovo. Don't kid anyone, this is basic local self government.
3. Police Commander selected from the center
4. Thaci did a minor cave regarding UN.

This agreement if the Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija will not accept it means nothing really. Daciq will just like his Slobo mentor be but a sh*t stain in Serbian history. What was signed is not even as important as meeting with representatives of terrorist organizations to begin with.

However, I would like to point out that Albanians on here posting with Anglo-Saxon names act as if their side "won" anything. All this proves is what we have known all along, the current Serbian Government is compliant with occupation of its southern province.

But even with such a treasonous Serb gov't you still cannot go to Mitrovica (and would probably lose if you did) and cannot have a seat at the UN. And you won something? You only 'won' anything at all when Serbia's government shook hands with Albanian terrorists.
(Ari Gold, 20 April 2013 12:53)

I'm sure the Serbs in KiM will accept it because according to a certain Ari Gold this agreement should be taken as a win for the Serbs :)

"And what albanian is really named Brian, John, Willie, Ian, Marko etc? "

I don't know, Mike. unlike you, I'm not an expert on all Albanians the world over.

Mike C

I am not an Albanian. I can read though! Pristina laws says Kosova and this deal eliminates any self rule of serbs based on Serbia's law. Serbia now says it is Kosova. Kosova will appoint the police chiefs and write all laws on education and healthcare in serb areas. Before serbs did everything based on Serbia law now they have to do it on Kosova law. This could not be more total recognition of kosova by Serbia. Just read the agreement. I used to write Kosovo but that makes no sense now at all. Belgrade has recognized Kosova.

I've never been to Australia. I hear it's nice. Not sure why I'd be jealous, though. I could go anytime I wanted to, if the course of my life took me in that direction.
(Danilo, 22 April 2013 10:28)
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Really?
Then why don't you? What's stopping you?
You are jealous of all the people who have migrated to the west so much that you can't stand to hear from them.
Typical Albanian attitude.
And yes, you are Albanian because no Serb not even a self hating Serb would call Kosovo Kosova.
You are one mean, jealous, full of hangups little guy.

@Peggy, I've been on these boards for 3-4 years. 3-4 years ago you were claiming you were not Serb
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ha ha ha! you know, just out of curiosity, I did a google search of the forums in the time range of 3-4 years ago. I didn't find any posts of Peggy's claiming she wasn't a Serb, but I found a lot of her accusing people they weren't Serbian. LOL! Someone might need a new hobby. You know, Peggy, you might be able to save some time and write a script for that. Something that scans the page and compares it to a list of Serbian names you compile and post that they're not Serbian. It would free up a lot of time.

According to the prime minister, Serbia will by Monday inform EU High Representative Catherine Ashton whether it accepts the offer. He stressed that this was the first time that the international community had been on Serbia’s side.

“It is certain that these were long and difficult talks, they lasted more than six months, we met ten times and we did not only negotiate with (Kosovo PM) Hashim Thaci but with the entire West and we were alone against them all most of the time,” he stressed.

In the first paragraph he says that this was the first time that the international community stood on Serbia's side and in the very next sentence he contradicts himself by saying that Serbia was alone against Thaci and the entire West. This guy must have the IQ of a twelve year old. It's really a shame for Serbia to have such people in such offices in such a crucial time.
(thanasis, 20 April 2013 11:33)

not really, what he is trying to say is that the west was against serbia untill the last 2 meetings where they decided to change their mind and accept serbia's proposals and force them upon kosovo...

Well 63% of serbs in Serbia recognize Kosova independence and that was demanded at this talks and that was what was given by Serbia. Serbs are so powerless in Kosova that pristina will appoint the police chief!!!

@Captain America: Why in Koha Ditore most commentators want to hang Hashim?
(Puzzled?

Because they dislike him and they're ready for change in leadership.

For those who have an appreciation for movies I'd like to reference a scene from 'The Usual Suspects' where Kevin Spacey says

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

Similarly, the greatest trick that's being played on the Serbs is to convince them that the agreement favors them.'

So Ari, MIkeC, Zoran and the likes I'm here to congratulate you on your victory again. YOu've won! Kosovo is Serbia.

I hope the agreement is signed by all signed and no change of heart occurs.

MikeC what deal did you read? Serbs get nothing. They had much more before this deal but that was bad for Serbia being in the EU so now for Serbia to be in the EU serbs now have nothing in kosova at all. They have nothing so much so that pristina will appoint the police chief!!

It's not my business to tell Serbian people what to do, to accept or not the agreement. I only hope they take time to read and understand the agreement. They MUST see how the other side WILL READ the agreement. And how the EU , NATO, the USA will read it, because that's the way how it will be put in force.
(Olli, 20 April 2013 15:37)
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I agree with you 100%.
It is so scary, so very scary that Serbia is going to sign this. I had a horrible feeling when Tadic agreed to EULEX knowing that nobody is going to keep their end of the bargain and they totally tossed out all the rules they signed for and allowed Albanians to terrorize Serbs and go wreak havoc.

Now they are going to trust that Albanians are not going to keep attacking. Who are they not protecting? Let's see. What deal did the Serbs in the south get? Is there any mention?
North is going to adhere to Kosovo laws. How come? If any part of Kosovo is not recognized then the north should use Serbia's laws which are not written by the EU.

Why are Serbs here kidding themselves? Why are they still thinking there is anything good in this agreement?

If this is signed off on then SERBIA HAS RECOGNIZED KOSOVO. Simple.

Is "Peggy" YOUR real name, btw? Nice Serbian name :)

Danilo
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No but I have NEVER claimed that I wasn't a Serb. Now you on the other hand are trying to fool us into thinking that you are a Serb by using a Serbian name.
Like I said, I don't mind what name you use as long as you don't use that name to imply that you are of that nationality.

BTW, most people I know call me Peggy and yes there is a reason for it.

Where do you see hatred for Serbs in what I wrote?
Again, you Albanians are really on my last nerve with trying to put words in my mouth.

How desperate are you?
(Peggy, 21 April 2013 22:21)

Danillo congrats you have been de-Serb-ed by your own people. Now as an "albanian" you can really see the lengths of mediocrity we had to deal with for decades. If you don't think like them, if you don't follow their dogma, you are worthless, you are sub-human, you are Albanian. That is Serb nationalism at its best for you. I hope you like this new position.

@Peggy, I've been on these boards for 3-4 years. 3-4 years ago you were claiming you were not Serb and that you only had connections with Serbs. I don't forget that as I was accused by you an Jovan why I chose as certain screen name; as if I needed to enter my passport information to write a post here on B92. You know like you're accusing Danillo today. You are capable of things like that seeing how you are treating Danillo.

I'm not trying to fool anyone, Peggy.

I don't understand why you're so obsessed with my ethnic heritage. I've already told you it's Serbian. I'm in mid-age and haven't had much contact with Serbia until recently, so I'm not really Serbian culturally. I was born in North America and lives most of my life there. I have few distant relatives in Serbia.

Not really sure why any of this matters or why you care.

Perhaps it bothers you because you think "All Serbs think such and such" or "no Serb would think such and such" or "only an albanian would say such a thing".

Anyway, it's a bit annoying you having this, "admit ur albanian!!!111" conversation with you or whoever.

What difference does it make anyway? We're talking about ideas here, who cares who I am even. Does the ethnicity of the person behind the computer really matter when listening to their ideas? Do you have this standard in all your interactions in life? Do you demand to know the ethnic heritage of your boss and coworkers, for example, so you can filter what they say through that.

Honestly, I don't get it, but I know that there's nothing I can really say. You'll be frothing, "shut up albo troll", along with a few others no matter what I say, so I'll just leave it at that.

"Brian"

If your not albanian then I'm Santa Claus. There are a couple of albs at this forum with multiple personalities and nicks, pretending to be everything from Europeans to aliens. And pretending to have the support from the whole universe. The west did help you steal Serbian territory, not because they love you but because they want to sent criminal albanians back without them complaining about Miloseviq treating them bad. Amazing thet after 12 years of international rule Kosovo is still a dump with people like you in it. And unless your boyfriend is albanian when did a westerner refer to Kosovo as Kosova?

Danilo said, "Lots of Serbs (real ones who live in Serbia)..."

What a stupid comment.

“This is the first time that the international community is on our side and this should open up a new era in Serbia’s relations with the West,” the prime minister added.

LOVE THE SENTENCE FOR SOME REASON!

"According to him, this is the first time that guarantees have been given that the Kosovo army will not be able to enter northern Kosovo without KFOR and NATO’s consent."

Huh! But according to what the true Serb patriots in these forums have been saying for years, Kosovo already could do nothing without the approval of their masters KFOR and NATO...

It is horrifying that some people live in the belief that:
1 America and the European Union is about to go bankrupt
2 As soon as the USA and the EU fail, Russians, Chinese and Brazilians establish a new world order
3 The new world order that was established in the previous section is suitable for Serbs
4 Serbs to return to Kosovo of military, in Eastern Slavonia, Serbian Krajina ...

ha ha ha! you know, just out of curiosity, I did a google search of the forums in the time range of 3-4 years ago. I didn't find any posts of Peggy's claiming she wasn't a Serb,
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Do you have that much free time on your hands? I am glad that you did that because it proves what I said. I never, ever claimed that I was not a Serb so why all the lies?
Why is this silly person saying something which he can't prove?
Is he hoping someone is just going to take his word for it?
Yes, you're right, I have said that some people pretend not to be of a certain ethnicity and I am right. Too many people try to get away with a lie here.
So what is wrong with saying that I don't believe these people?

Again, I am not against people using names of any sort as long as they don't use those names to lie.