"We have not, and will not recognize Kosovo"

"With this Serbia did not recognize Kosovo's independence, nor will it ever do so," Vučić concluded.

Mister Vucic, life is all about building FACTORIES, us reading FACTs - you telling sTORIES. This is the time for both nations to start building, all kind of FACTORIES.

Stop talking now all of you, start building a future for your children.

As a Kosovar, I believe Thaçi is stupid. Good night.

Correct Mr Vucic , Serbia didn`t recognize Kosovo officially in fact
Serbia doesn`t have to recognize Kosovo , if Serbia doesn`t block Kosovo from the EU path (point 14) and gets the same treatment just like any country in europe then what can we call Kosovo? A province?Pff please...provinces are not given these treatments.

Much as I very much respect Vucic and despise Thaci, from a cursory reading of the text, it seems Thaci is correct in that there is an implicit recognition of Kosovo in that it talks about Kosovo law, Kosovo Police, etc. Will this mean an increase in the number of recognitions of the 'state' of Kosovo? Just my take on it.

Kosovo will never be recognized, neither de facto nor de jure.

Thank you, but no thank you. We lived with Kosovo Albanians for a long time, and we know what to expect. Give them a small piece, they will steal a whole cake. If Serbia recognizes Kosovo they will ask for more.

Thaci is wrong. He cannot distinguish a recognition from simple agreement. He only wishes, but the Geeny does not live in his lamp anymore.

I simply can't understand how Taci lied just before the building of the European External Action Service in Brussels. Serbia hasn't recognized Kosovo.The agreement was initialed by Serbian PM and will be represented to the Serbian Parliament. That s truth and nothing but the truth.

We're pass the time anyone could believe Mr. Taci's fabrications...long time now! I don' think people are aware of the gravity of this situation, but, somehow, I am sure the time will tell that this was the inly reasonable solution. Now it is clear that Mr. Vucic is THE politian of the net era, and I am glad that the global decission makers know that!

We have not, and will not recognize Kosovo"

So once again the Serbs want to distance themselves from Europe. When are you people ever going to learn that if you don't play the game you will end up like poverty stricken Bulgaria. That's why they ( Serbs ) killed Zoran Djindjic because he was trying to strengthen Serbia economically and politically. Make a choice Serbia - Russia or E.U, you can't have it both ways.

Kosovo* ( hahaha remember the asterisks?) has a definite border that collects taxes with Serbia. All vital records are being sent to Prishtina from Belgrade. Exchange of ambassadors. Sitting at conferences with all the states of Balkans including Kosova. Agreeing not to stop Kosova integration into Europe (are any eu members not part of UN?). Different license plates. Asking permission to enter Kosova ( sometimes not being allowed) agreeing to everything in the atsaharri plan.

Nope doesn't look like recognition to me.

"Thaci is correct in that there is an implicit recognition of Kosovo in that it talks about Kosovo law, Kosovo Police, etc. "
(David Crowley, 19 April 2013 23:29)

Well, Mr. Thaci already considered it an 'implicit recognition' when Serbia accepted talks with him, when Serbia attended some meeting where representatives of Kosovo were present, too.

All the talks about 'implicit recognitions' only say one thing: There's no explicit recognition. You know, these recognitions Pacolli was used to 'lobby' from corrupt African kingdoms and tropical Island states with some 10.000 citizens :)

And about the UN membership: This never depended on Serbia, but Russia and China won't allow a country proclaimed by separatist ethnic minorities to become a member state.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/MagrittePipe.jpg/300px-MagrittePipe.jpg

Stop lying. If Serbia accepts the proposal then Serbia has recognised Kosovo, pure and simple.
Just because there is no sentence saying "Serbia to recognise Kosovo" means nothing. There is more than one way to skin the cat as they say.

I am sick to my stomach thinking that people of Serbia would accept this rubbish. Let's see what the people think.

What is this IDIOT talking about,if you will not stand in their way when it comes to the EU letting them join the EU ,what good is a useless WE DON'T RECOGNIZE AN INDEPENDENT KOSOVO,those remarks are SHALLOW.Even Serbs in Serbia have become COLLABORATORS against their OWN PEOPLE! God help the SERBS in Kosovo for they STAND ALONE!

The agreement is not even signed, and Tachi is talking about chair in EU and world wide recognition of Kosovo. Give them a finger they will bite your head off. Kosovo Albanians are like that, and with those people we had to reach an agreement.

"and gets the same treatment just like any country in europe then what can we call Kosovo? A province?Pff please...provinces are not given these treatments."
(iso, 19 April 2013 22:23)

No, we call Kosovo a disputed territory, as before. Check Wikipedia, they have a nice compilation of disputed territories which consider themselves countries, but which are not recognized stated, i.e. UN members.

What should have changed with this agreement? Not much, adapting to reality, some only some stabilization and normalization of relations, as demanded by EU.

Furthermore, Serbia was never in a position to 'block' Kosovo. But this chapter was nice to include, so in the far future, maybe 2030, when Serbia is an EU member for 10 years and Kosovo might have managed to adapt to EU standards, fights the drug mafia and politicians there stopped to fake elections and wants to become a member to, Serbia is not allowed to block the access.

On the other hand, why should any country that didn't recognize Kosovo so far should change its stand? And why should a unilaterally self-proclaimed split-off country like Kosovo become an UN member? Thaci must be dreaming. He'd better give some of his drug money to Pacolli, to buy more recognitions :)

@(Jane, 19 April 2013 21:35)
I simply can't understand how Taci lied just before the building of the European External Action Service in Brussels. Serbia hasn't recognized Kosovo.The agreement was initialed by Serbian PM and will be represented to the Serbian Parliament. That s truth and nothing but the truth.

Thaci needs to create a story for Kosovo's internal needs when he returns from Bruxelles, so he is forced to lie. It is completely obvious that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo, and Vucic stated that fact very clearly! Mr. Thaci, the game is over!

what's going to happen to our Australian gang when Serbia recognizes Kosovo?

Maybe a fund should be set up for their therapy!

" but Russia and China won't allow a country proclaimed by separatist ethnic minorities to become a member state."

says who? within 10 years, Kosova will have become a UN member. this, i guanrantee you

"says who? within 10 years, Kosova will have become a UN member. this, i guanrantee you"

10 years? 5 tops, probably 3.

No, we call Kosovo a disputed territory, as before. Check Wikipedia, they have a nice compilation of disputed territories which consider themselves countries, but which are not recognized stated, i.e. UN members.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 April 2013 09:19)

Wikipedia? Really ?! Kosovo is not in the list of territorial disputes in Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

As for the UN, according to UN itself, they can't recognize states, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you could ask Vuk to illuminate you what UN can and cannot do :)

@Nikolle

says russia and china thats who, and it aint just russia and china, its pretty much half the planet that says so too ... the dinosaurs have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming a un member

@Aleks

bookmark this thread, and if we're lucky enough to still be alive in 10 years time, you'll see that i'll have been right

As I see this is round two. Round one was in 1999(even 30 years earlier but culminated in 99) when Serbia was bombed by NATO as a support for Albanians whose " human rights were violated". This was step one in creating worlds first NATO state...state only named Kosovo actualy its NATO...but OK...America has military budget as whole world multiplayed six times(only idiot would oppose), and she is leading NATO, comapring to America and NATO, Serbia is weak. But this is righteous country with wonderuful people and so rich history, which could offer much more then you can imagine. Untouched nature and plenty of love for all. Unfortunaly wars at ex YUG have closed this love inside and that ony brought bad marketing to Serbias side. Surrounded by other cultures and countries who had support from Vatican and Germany, Serbia lost a media war. After this, bad image about Serbia and its people has been sent worldwide. Then we imposed sanctions, and at late 90' NATO bombed Serbia with excuse of "protecting Albanian minority human rights". That was crown in making first NATO state. Wars in EX YUG were provoked just to reduce the territory and financially weaken Serbia who was finaly put in war with Albanian minority on south of Serbia. Lame but effective excuse to put Serbia in confrontation with the rest of the world.

the dinosaurs have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming a un member
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 03:44)

That's what you could say about Serbia in the 19th century, as well, but still Serbia became a UN member in 1945 and dinosaurs did not return from extintion :)

actually icj no its not the same thing because serbia was a country long before the ottomans invaded the balkans and even then it was inevitable that serbia, bulgaria and greece would eventually liberate themselves from ottoman rule, the fact is throughout history all empires fall apart and it was just a matter of timing when the ottomans fell apart which is why i say it was inevitable .. the kosovo situation is different today cuz of the existence of international laws, sepratist movements in other countries and the un .. i'll stand by my statement that dinosaurs would have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming independent/joining the un ... and nikolle i gurantee you this conflict will not be over anytime soon and it will eventually come to a war, but this time there will be no western intervention, cuz none of the big powers are gonna risk world war 3 starting up, plus russia and china will never allow after what happened last time, and i happen to favour the serbs odds greatly in that scenario

Aleks

it makes no difference to me who you favor or who you cheer for. bookmark this thread and when Kosova does join the UN, as it will, we'll talk again

actually icj no its not the same thing because serbia was a country long before the ottomans invaded the balkans
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 22:17)

And long before the UN even existed. So you are just confirming my point that being recognized by UN as a country is not necessary as it was not necessary for Serbia and many others. Otherwise we should say that all countries started to exist in 1945 or thereafter :)
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the kosovo situation is different today cuz of the existence of international laws, sepratist movements in other countries and the un ..
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 22:17)

But you guys have been saying all along that Kosovo’s situation is no different than other situations :) Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying whether that is correct or incorrect. Just advising you to pick up one version of the propaganda and stick to it.
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i'll stand by my statement that dinosaurs would have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming independent/joining the un ...
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 22:17)

I did not say that you should not stand by it… I was just applying that to Serbia’s situation and therefore I take it that the following also stands: that the same applies to Serbia in the 19th century, as well, but still Serbia became a UN member in 1945 and dinosaurs did not return from extintion :)

"With this Serbia did not recognize Kosovo's independence, nor will it ever do so," Vučić concluded.

Mister Vucic, life is all about building FACTORIES, us reading FACTs - you telling sTORIES. This is the time for both nations to start building, all kind of FACTORIES.

Stop talking now all of you, start building a future for your children.

Kosovo will never be recognized, neither de facto nor de jure.

Thank you, but no thank you. We lived with Kosovo Albanians for a long time, and we know what to expect. Give them a small piece, they will steal a whole cake. If Serbia recognizes Kosovo they will ask for more.

As a Kosovar, I believe Thaçi is stupid. Good night.

Thaci is wrong. He cannot distinguish a recognition from simple agreement. He only wishes, but the Geeny does not live in his lamp anymore.

I simply can't understand how Taci lied just before the building of the European External Action Service in Brussels. Serbia hasn't recognized Kosovo.The agreement was initialed by Serbian PM and will be represented to the Serbian Parliament. That s truth and nothing but the truth.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/MagrittePipe.jpg/300px-MagrittePipe.jpg

We're pass the time anyone could believe Mr. Taci's fabrications...long time now! I don' think people are aware of the gravity of this situation, but, somehow, I am sure the time will tell that this was the inly reasonable solution. Now it is clear that Mr. Vucic is THE politian of the net era, and I am glad that the global decission makers know that!

what's going to happen to our Australian gang when Serbia recognizes Kosovo?

Maybe a fund should be set up for their therapy!

"Thaci is correct in that there is an implicit recognition of Kosovo in that it talks about Kosovo law, Kosovo Police, etc. "
(David Crowley, 19 April 2013 23:29)

Well, Mr. Thaci already considered it an 'implicit recognition' when Serbia accepted talks with him, when Serbia attended some meeting where representatives of Kosovo were present, too.

All the talks about 'implicit recognitions' only say one thing: There's no explicit recognition. You know, these recognitions Pacolli was used to 'lobby' from corrupt African kingdoms and tropical Island states with some 10.000 citizens :)

And about the UN membership: This never depended on Serbia, but Russia and China won't allow a country proclaimed by separatist ethnic minorities to become a member state.

" but Russia and China won't allow a country proclaimed by separatist ethnic minorities to become a member state."

says who? within 10 years, Kosova will have become a UN member. this, i guanrantee you

Much as I very much respect Vucic and despise Thaci, from a cursory reading of the text, it seems Thaci is correct in that there is an implicit recognition of Kosovo in that it talks about Kosovo law, Kosovo Police, etc. Will this mean an increase in the number of recognitions of the 'state' of Kosovo? Just my take on it.

Stop lying. If Serbia accepts the proposal then Serbia has recognised Kosovo, pure and simple.
Just because there is no sentence saying "Serbia to recognise Kosovo" means nothing. There is more than one way to skin the cat as they say.

I am sick to my stomach thinking that people of Serbia would accept this rubbish. Let's see what the people think.

@Nikolle

says russia and china thats who, and it aint just russia and china, its pretty much half the planet that says so too ... the dinosaurs have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming a un member

"and gets the same treatment just like any country in europe then what can we call Kosovo? A province?Pff please...provinces are not given these treatments."
(iso, 19 April 2013 22:23)

No, we call Kosovo a disputed territory, as before. Check Wikipedia, they have a nice compilation of disputed territories which consider themselves countries, but which are not recognized stated, i.e. UN members.

What should have changed with this agreement? Not much, adapting to reality, some only some stabilization and normalization of relations, as demanded by EU.

Furthermore, Serbia was never in a position to 'block' Kosovo. But this chapter was nice to include, so in the far future, maybe 2030, when Serbia is an EU member for 10 years and Kosovo might have managed to adapt to EU standards, fights the drug mafia and politicians there stopped to fake elections and wants to become a member to, Serbia is not allowed to block the access.

On the other hand, why should any country that didn't recognize Kosovo so far should change its stand? And why should a unilaterally self-proclaimed split-off country like Kosovo become an UN member? Thaci must be dreaming. He'd better give some of his drug money to Pacolli, to buy more recognitions :)

@(Jane, 19 April 2013 21:35)
I simply can't understand how Taci lied just before the building of the European External Action Service in Brussels. Serbia hasn't recognized Kosovo.The agreement was initialed by Serbian PM and will be represented to the Serbian Parliament. That s truth and nothing but the truth.

Thaci needs to create a story for Kosovo's internal needs when he returns from Bruxelles, so he is forced to lie. It is completely obvious that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo, and Vucic stated that fact very clearly! Mr. Thaci, the game is over!

Correct Mr Vucic , Serbia didn`t recognize Kosovo officially in fact
Serbia doesn`t have to recognize Kosovo , if Serbia doesn`t block Kosovo from the EU path (point 14) and gets the same treatment just like any country in europe then what can we call Kosovo? A province?Pff please...provinces are not given these treatments.

The agreement is not even signed, and Tachi is talking about chair in EU and world wide recognition of Kosovo. Give them a finger they will bite your head off. Kosovo Albanians are like that, and with those people we had to reach an agreement.

We have not, and will not recognize Kosovo"

So once again the Serbs want to distance themselves from Europe. When are you people ever going to learn that if you don't play the game you will end up like poverty stricken Bulgaria. That's why they ( Serbs ) killed Zoran Djindjic because he was trying to strengthen Serbia economically and politically. Make a choice Serbia - Russia or E.U, you can't have it both ways.

What is this IDIOT talking about,if you will not stand in their way when it comes to the EU letting them join the EU ,what good is a useless WE DON'T RECOGNIZE AN INDEPENDENT KOSOVO,those remarks are SHALLOW.Even Serbs in Serbia have become COLLABORATORS against their OWN PEOPLE! God help the SERBS in Kosovo for they STAND ALONE!

Kosovo* ( hahaha remember the asterisks?) has a definite border that collects taxes with Serbia. All vital records are being sent to Prishtina from Belgrade. Exchange of ambassadors. Sitting at conferences with all the states of Balkans including Kosova. Agreeing not to stop Kosova integration into Europe (are any eu members not part of UN?). Different license plates. Asking permission to enter Kosova ( sometimes not being allowed) agreeing to everything in the atsaharri plan.

Nope doesn't look like recognition to me.

As I see this is round two. Round one was in 1999(even 30 years earlier but culminated in 99) when Serbia was bombed by NATO as a support for Albanians whose " human rights were violated". This was step one in creating worlds first NATO state...state only named Kosovo actualy its NATO...but OK...America has military budget as whole world multiplayed six times(only idiot would oppose), and she is leading NATO, comapring to America and NATO, Serbia is weak. But this is righteous country with wonderuful people and so rich history, which could offer much more then you can imagine. Untouched nature and plenty of love for all. Unfortunaly wars at ex YUG have closed this love inside and that ony brought bad marketing to Serbias side. Surrounded by other cultures and countries who had support from Vatican and Germany, Serbia lost a media war. After this, bad image about Serbia and its people has been sent worldwide. Then we imposed sanctions, and at late 90' NATO bombed Serbia with excuse of "protecting Albanian minority human rights". That was crown in making first NATO state. Wars in EX YUG were provoked just to reduce the territory and financially weaken Serbia who was finaly put in war with Albanian minority on south of Serbia. Lame but effective excuse to put Serbia in confrontation with the rest of the world.

"says who? within 10 years, Kosova will have become a UN member. this, i guanrantee you"

10 years? 5 tops, probably 3.

No, we call Kosovo a disputed territory, as before. Check Wikipedia, they have a nice compilation of disputed territories which consider themselves countries, but which are not recognized stated, i.e. UN members.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 April 2013 09:19)

Wikipedia? Really ?! Kosovo is not in the list of territorial disputes in Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

As for the UN, according to UN itself, they can't recognize states, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you could ask Vuk to illuminate you what UN can and cannot do :)

@Aleks

bookmark this thread, and if we're lucky enough to still be alive in 10 years time, you'll see that i'll have been right

the dinosaurs have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming a un member
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 03:44)

That's what you could say about Serbia in the 19th century, as well, but still Serbia became a UN member in 1945 and dinosaurs did not return from extintion :)

Aleks

it makes no difference to me who you favor or who you cheer for. bookmark this thread and when Kosova does join the UN, as it will, we'll talk again

actually icj no its not the same thing because serbia was a country long before the ottomans invaded the balkans
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 22:17)

And long before the UN even existed. So you are just confirming my point that being recognized by UN as a country is not necessary as it was not necessary for Serbia and many others. Otherwise we should say that all countries started to exist in 1945 or thereafter :)
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the kosovo situation is different today cuz of the existence of international laws, sepratist movements in other countries and the un ..
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 22:17)

But you guys have been saying all along that Kosovo’s situation is no different than other situations :) Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying whether that is correct or incorrect. Just advising you to pick up one version of the propaganda and stick to it.
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i'll stand by my statement that dinosaurs would have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming independent/joining the un ...
(Aleks, 21 April 2013 22:17)

I did not say that you should not stand by it… I was just applying that to Serbia’s situation and therefore I take it that the following also stands: that the same applies to Serbia in the 19th century, as well, but still Serbia became a UN member in 1945 and dinosaurs did not return from extintion :)

actually icj no its not the same thing because serbia was a country long before the ottomans invaded the balkans and even then it was inevitable that serbia, bulgaria and greece would eventually liberate themselves from ottoman rule, the fact is throughout history all empires fall apart and it was just a matter of timing when the ottomans fell apart which is why i say it was inevitable .. the kosovo situation is different today cuz of the existence of international laws, sepratist movements in other countries and the un .. i'll stand by my statement that dinosaurs would have a better chance of returning from extinction than kosovo does of ever becoming independent/joining the un ... and nikolle i gurantee you this conflict will not be over anytime soon and it will eventually come to a war, but this time there will be no western intervention, cuz none of the big powers are gonna risk world war 3 starting up, plus russia and china will never allow after what happened last time, and i happen to favour the serbs odds greatly in that scenario