Another round of Kosovo talks ends without agreement
<a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=04&dd=17&nav_id=85739" class="text-link" target= "_blank">Wednesday's negotiations</a> between the delegations of Priština and Belgrade, under the mediation of the European Union, have ended in Brussels.
Unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo it will go no further than Palestine, i.e. a state in limbo. (T, 19. april 2013 08:55) Kosovo can exercise it's power and authority in Kosovo (apart from the North), Palestine's power is very limited in Palestine and can only be applied to certain enclaves. Palestine doesn't have the power to decide what goods can enter Palestine, Isreal control's it's borders. Kosovo is in a far better situation than Palestine. Kosovo is more than capable of getting Observer member status in the UN and Russia will be powerless to stop it, just like the US was powerless to stop Palestine.
Yes Kosova does mean field of blackbirds. Can you please tell me what two headed creature is on Albania's flag and what is Albania's national bird?
No it doesn´t, Kosovo polje means field of blackbirds. And Kos is a serbian word for blackbird. And can u tell me what 2headed creature is on the serbian flag?
'I don't care about Albanian opinion' says Daniel. When will otherwise intelligent people realise that every comment like this adds grist to the mill of those who supported the UDI. Full marks for honesty as I am sure that Daniel and many others really don't care what Albanians think or want, but at the same time it needs to be accepted that these deep seated views are at the root of the desire of Kosovo Albanians to run their own lives.
I dont care about albanian opinion. You can read international newspapers and nowhere does it say Kosova but Kosovo and I dont need to ask an albanian if its a serbian word since I am serbian and I know that it is a serbian word. Here is the translation for you,
"Kosovo" is a Serbian place name, more fully "kosovo polje", meaning the 'field (or plain) of blackbirds'. "Kosovo Polje" lies just outside the city of Prishtina.
Ornithology lesson: Among North Americans, Australians, and South Africans, only ornithologists can identify the species in question. Kosovo's "black bird" is no crow, nor raven, no starling nor grackle, but "turdus merula", European cousin of the North American rusty-bellied thrush ("turdus migratorius"), which Yanks call the "robin".
Last but not least we all know how well "educated" you albanians are so I dont really need to comment that just laugh at it hahahahha
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 20:44)
Yes Kosova does mean field of blackbirds. Can you please tell me what two headed creature is on Albania's flag and what is Albania's national bird?
@ Kosovo-USA,
When the UN was founded in 1945, the Swiss government ruled out membership. It saw the organisation as incompatible with neutrality. For other neutral states, including Sweden and Austria, their neutrality was not a barrier to taking part.
Nobody blocked these countries from becoming members. The choice was theirs. Palestine has been blocked but now has observer status. Unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo it will go no further than Palestine, i.e. a state in limbo.
but since Vlora Citaku confirms Đurić's version, it is obvious that Dacic lied.
(John, 18 April 2013 13:08)
Yeah Vlora Citaku is obviously a very neutral source Hahahhahaha hungarian/albanian fool.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 18:18)
# Comment link
It is not only Citaku but also Duric. They are diplomatic adversaries and say exactly same.
And I have no idea with whom you are confusing me, since I'm neither Hungarian nor ever have been there. But this false assumptions matches with the rest of your epic failure statements.
One should know Kosovo Albanians. In every possible way they will try to sneak the issue of their membership in international organizations, not mentioning UN. That is why the negotiation is fruitless, and that is why Serbs are not to blame for not reaching the agreement.
You should leave your beloved west and go to Kosova and see what is the real name of Kosova, and ask the Albanians if KOSOVA is a serbian word. And another thing Danny Boy, we Albanians unlike 30 years ago are a bit educated now and we know what belongs to us and what does not.
B92 Please publish my comment. Thanks
(Eagleeye, 18 April 2013 19:30)
I dont care about albanian opinion. You can read international newspapers and nowhere does it say Kosova but Kosovo and I dont need to ask an albanian if its a serbian word since I am serbian and I know that it is a serbian word. Here is the translation for you,
"Kosovo" is a Serbian place name, more fully "kosovo polje", meaning the 'field (or plain) of blackbirds'. "Kosovo Polje" lies just outside the city of Prishtina.
Ornithology lesson: Among North Americans, Australians, and South Africans, only ornithologists can identify the species in question. Kosovo's "black bird" is no crow, nor raven, no starling nor grackle, but "turdus merula", European cousin of the North American rusty-bellied thrush ("turdus migratorius"), which Yanks call the "robin".
Last but not least we all know how well "educated" you albanians are so I dont really need to comment that just laugh at it hahahahha
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
There is no such thing as KosovA only Kosovo exists which is a serbian word by the way. Educate yourself before u comment.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 18:12)
@ Daniel
You should leave your beloved west and go to Kosova and see what is the real name of Kosova, and ask the Albanians if KOSOVA is a serbian word. And another thing Danny Boy, we Albanians unlike 30 years ago are a bit educated now and we know what belongs to us and what does not.
Daniel: I respectively disagree with you. Serbia has no any power to stop Kosovo from doing anything. If some country does not want to accept Kosovo as an independent state it is up to that particular country, not Serbia. As an example, if Kosovo would like to be recognised by Russia, they should approach Russia directly. Don't tell me that Serbia is so powerful to direct Russia or China what they need to do? It is unfair to ask from Serbia what is outside of her power.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 13:52)
It has nothing to do with power but international laws since Serbia hasn´t recognized Kosovo independent its still considered as a disputed territory and therefore it can not get a UN seat unless Serbia recognizes its independence.
Means that when Serbia signs point 14 in the agreement, Russia will not object and Kosovo will enter UN.
Is it now clear enough?
(John, 18 April 2013 15:00)
Serbia will never sign point 14 and has stated thousands of times that it will never recognize Kosovo as independent. When will u ever get that through your thick head?Isn´t that clear enough for you?
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
There is no such thing as KosovA only Kosovo exists which is a serbian word by the way. Educate yourself before u comment.
I read only this sentence of your post and it is enough because it shows me that you are just issuing hot air. If you don't want to join EU then withdraw EU application right now. I have nothing against it, in the contrary. You need to stay out and live in misery for at least another or two decades to be cured from the Kosovo myth. What's the problem? As long as you don't do this, your claim that you don't want to join is just utter bulls***.
I live better than you will ever, I can employ you so u can be my private hungarian-american garden keeper. I´ll give you 200 euro and food every month so u dont have to live on welfare any more, 25 years is enough.
@John: I see that you are joking. Friends? I wouldn't call them friends. You seem to believe that Serbia tells Russia what to do, while USA is a Kosovo's puppet.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 14:35)
Well, I would not call Russia friend to Serbia either, but I think that Russia's interest will not go that far that they will be more Serbian than Serbs, as they have stated in numerous cases. Means that when Serbia signs point 14 in the agreement, Russia will not object and Kosovo will enter UN.
Yup...Thaci would like to say something what would convince people that he is realy been asked for something...yeah right...Come on Thaci try to say something realy true like "we have 0 economy" "we'r gonna be washed with no money from EU" "without Serbias aproval there is no Kosovo in UN or anywhere else" try sayng that to your tribes down there...I dare you
Membership of the UN means you exist as a country. It is 'the icing on the cake'.
If I understand it correctly Thaci needs Serbia to endorse this recognition at the UN so that Kosovo(a) can exist as independent. Without this endorsement Kosovo(a) will never truly be independent.
(T, 18 April 2013 14:23)
According to your logic, Switzerland was never an independent country till 2002!
Why would Dacic go to Brussels if he thought that; "Kosova is part of Serbia"!
(Kosova-USA, 18 April 2013 11:19)
What is Kosova?
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 12:56)
Daniel,
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
@John: I see that you are joking. Friends? I wouldn't call them friends. You seem to believe that Serbia tells Russia what to do, while USA is a Kosovo's puppet.
Membership of the UN means you exist as a country. It is 'the icing on the cake'.
If I understand it correctly Thaci needs Serbia to endorse this recognition at the UN so that Kosovo(a) can exist as independent. Without this endorsement Kosovo(a) will never truly be independent.
Nothing ugly about this for us, this is great news since the majority of the people dont want to join the EU we couldn´t care less.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 11:47)
I read only this sentence of your post and it is enough because it shows me that you are just issuing hot air. If you don't want to join EU then withdraw EU application right now. I have nothing against it, in the contrary. You need to stay out and live in misery for at least another or two decades to be cured from the Kosovo myth. What's the problem? As long as you don't do this, your claim that you don't want to join is just utter bulls***.
@ Kosta
When there is an agreement that Kosovo joins all international organizations, then Serbia's allies will stop opposing it. However, if Serbia continues to oppose it then Kosovo's allies will make sure that Serbia will be blocked from EU. Very simple..
But what's really funny is that Marko Đurić himself said that Ashton proposed the 15 points, containing point number 14 which refers Kosovo's admission to UN, while Dacic claimed in this news that it was Thaci who offered it. So either Đurić or Dacic are lying, but since Vlora Citaku confirms Đurić's version, it is obvious that Dacic lied.
John: I read your post carefully and what I do not understand is what Serbia has to do with admission of Kosovo into international organizations? Any admission into any organization is an issue to this particular organization. It is up to those organizations whether they want Kosovo in or out. What this has to do with Serbia? If this point is a problem, just remove it.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 12:19)
Not true, Serbia can block Kosovo from joining UN.
@John: You are effectively saying that Serbia is so powerful that controls a range of world organisations? I think that you are mistaken. I am sure that you will be the first to admit that Serbia is a small country without much power and many friends. It is unfair to ask Serbia something that is out of her power.
@Daniel: I respectively disagree with you. Serbia has no any power to stop Kosovo from doing anything. If some country does not want to accept Kosovo as an independent state it is up to that particular country, not Serbia. As an example, if Kosovo would like to be recognised by Russia, they should approach Russia directly. Don't tell me that Serbia is so powerful to direct Russia or China what they need to do? It is unfair to ask from Serbia what is outside of her power.
Brussels has in effect given Thaci a veto on Serbia's EU membership. Progress in talks depends on goodwill on both sides and all he needs to do if an agreement that falls short of his goal looks as if it is close is make an unreasonable demand. Everything then stops and no EU talks date for Serbia is the outcome. Dacic needs to give a 'bottom line' to both Ashton and Thaci and then walk away for good. If membership of the EU is sacrificed at least the dignity of the Serb people will be in tact. At the risk of repeating myself, this obsession with joining the EU is crippling the Balkans countries. What goes Macedonia have in common with Sweden? What are the common characteristics of the Albanians and the Dutch? Europe thrives on its diversity, not by creating a formula for the 'model state' and then insisting that everyone plays along. Don't be fooled into thinking that Brussels wants Serbia/Bosnia/Macedonia et al to become members for the benefit of the citizens of these countries. They simply want a potential security problem removed from their doorstep.
@John: I read your post carefully and what I do not understand is what Serbia has to do with admission of Kosovo into international organizations? Any admission into any organization is an issue to this particular organization. It is up to those organizations whether they want Kosovo in or out. What this has to do with Serbia? If this point is a problem, just remove it.
Vlora Citaku posted clearly that the 15 points plan which came from Ashton was accepted by Albanians. Point 14 was to admit Kosovo to all international organizations. Most likely this was the point which Dacic and Vucic which they did not tell the (Serbian) public.
Kosovo made his points clear and did not change them. Serbia failed. That is the whole and (for Serbs) ugly truth.
(John, 18 April 2013 08:17)
Nothing ugly about this for us, this is great news since the majority of the people dont want to join the EU we couldn´t care less. The most important thing is that the albanians dont get a un seat and that they finally realize that we will neeeeeeeeeeeeeeever recognize kosovo independent. That point wasn´t even included until Taci in the last second wanted to include it so no wonder it wasn´t told to the serbian public when even themselves didn´t know about it.
We have made our things clear a long long time ago with the platform and once again showed that we will not stand in to any kind of blackmail whatsoever. As far as we are concerned this can go on for 10 or 100 yrs. Couldnt care less about the EU, time is on our side.
Kosovo can be taken, but never lost. It would be indeed difficult to find anybody to sign a document accepting that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia. I would bet that even those who say that this should be done (Jovanovic, Kandic, Srbljanovic etc.), would change their minds if they would be signatories. If you have a drop of Serbian blood in yourself, you just can't do it, whatever is the price for not doing it.
Membership of the UN was never on the cards and was not even to be discussed at these talks. Thaci knows that, but puts it in anyway. Sometimes I wonder if the kalbs know what they are doing? Maybe they really are not participating in good faith.
If Kosovo was as "independent" as they claim, there is no reason for Thaci to participate at all. Serbia is in the UN already, and Pristina is in nothing. UNSC 1244 governs Thaci's desperation.
(Michael, 18 April 2013 06:14)
Why would Dacic go to Brussels if he thought that; "Kosova is part of Serbia"!
yes, because when Kosova actually was under Blegrade's jurisdiction, there really was a lot of economic development :-). yes I remember the period 1989-1999...continues growth, full employment, exemplary human rights records and free ice cream for every citizen on Tuesday at 8, courtesy of the big economic success. face it, Serbia itself is an economic basket case and a general election from bankruptcy.
It would be a lot easier for people on KiM if they remained under Serbias borders and administration. In that case they could do nothing as they always were, Serbia would be in charge for their lives and only thing which would be on their back is to say to EU that there is a lot of poverty and unemployment...then Serbia must improve that situation and send money to KiM. Now when they have a state of their own they will see the problems of real living in country with no economy and with no proper workers
Serbia is loosing her territory anyway and that is sad. Arnauts are selling property which Serbia made...but that is life, and at this point there is no way to bring it back. With good politics and excellent diplomacy there is lot of things that can be improved. That story how Serbia didnt accept the deal is nonsense. Taci is trying to fool KiM publics and to mask the fact that hi must accept that deal because Serbia gave it all, and they got a their so called state like a gift from heaven...hard part is comming they must maintain economy which is no 0 level, people are unemployed and hungry. They thought if they have a state their own then problem is solved but real problems are on their way. That is Tacis problem...elections on KiM are comming...and he havent don anything to improve bad economics...
EVERYTHING WAS GOING SO WELL, SERBIA WAS GOING TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT FINALLY!! UNTILL THE SNAKE THACI IMPOSED HIS STUPID IDEA OF MEMBERSHIP OF KOSOVO IN THE UN ! SERIOUSLY? THE SERBS WILL BE UNDER PRESSURE TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE LATER MAYBE BUT WHY TO BE SO DESTRUCTIVE IN THE DIALOGUE???
Considering the following statement by German foreign minister, I would say that all this excitement from the Serbian camp is all for nothing (lies and hopes as usual)
BRUSSELS - German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle has bluntly told Serbia it cannot open EU accession talks unless it cedes control of north Kosovo.
"An agreement on starting negotiations on Serbia joining the EU, which it would like to see this summer, will be significantly delayed if it does not reach a deal with Kosovo," he said in Berlin on Tuesday (16 April), according to French and German news agencies.
He indicated that even if Serbia is left on the shelf, the EU should start talks on a pre-accession pact, a so-called Stabilisation and Association Agreement, with Kosovo.
"When one country [Kosovo] delivers results and another doesn't, the one that is taking steps... that is doing its homework must not be held responsible for the lack of good will by the other," he added.
Dacic is panicking because Thaci threatens to fully integrate Kosovo into Serbia. This would lead to Thaci becoming a Serbian Prime Minister and Dacic would be out. Everybody knows that Thaci would never resort to violence; the man is Gandhi.
Taci is playing games and he keeps saying nonsense. That is his "must" because he cant admit to public at Kosovo that he lost the challenge. He also needs to close this problem as soon as possible because there is no money on KiM and everybody downthere expects that money from EU.
No deal? Surprise, surprise.
Both sides are sticking to their guns. Both blame each other for failure and won't budge on their demands. The diplomats of the EU have failed as mediators because they are not capable of understanding the Balkan mentality, mostly stubborn and proud.
Maybe we should call in the divorce lawyers to finish the job since both sides are quibbling like man and wife who know the marriage is over but can't let go till each one has got the most out of a bad situation.
Recognizing Kosovo as independent by 100 or so countries was therefore premature. I am not saying that they do not deserve it but obviously this is going nowhere resulting in that both Kosovo and Serbia will remain in limbo for the foreseeable future. Shame.
You could trash that Serbian version how that meeting was going on ever since they published the lie that Thaci was leaving the room because something bad was offered. Apparently it was a lie and the same people bring up this story now.
Vlora Citaku posted clearly that the 15 points plan which came from Ashton was accepted by Albanians. Point 14 was to admit Kosovo to all international organizations. Most likely this was the point which Dacic and Vucic which they did not tell the (Serbian) public.
Kosovo made his points clear and did not change them. Serbia failed. That is the whole and (for Serbs) ugly truth.
don't worry, serbia will get another "last chance" to become ridicolous province within eu and war criminal tacic will get another chance to turn from snake to rabbit that eats from vucics hand ...
simply because there is something in the air, that was taken out from platform but still makes brown pants in pristina and washington: nothing is reached until everything is negotiated ...
and of course the un, those skippy-terrorists and their western mentors fear the un ...
if i'm wrong and the eu-talks freeze, the better ...
I'm happy to see that Serbia has a spine and is capable of holding out for the deal that is acceptable. Ultimately, Serbia is in the driver's seat, and they can determine the situation in Northern Kosovo. Pristina will have to agree because their status under UNSC 1244 is in limbo. It will stay in limbo until Serbia says otherwise with Russian backing. Otherwise, Thaci wouldn't even be in Brussels. If Kosovo was as "independent" as they claim, there is no reason for Thaci to participate at all. Serbia is in the UN already, and Pristina is in nothing. UNSC 1244 governs Thaci's desperation.
@dardania flag
Serbia is not the blame, hmm Kosovo Albanians decided to rip apart the province from the Republic of Serbia so you solve this mess it's not up to Serbia.
@Mirel
Crawl back in your hole
About these talks, they should stop there is really no point in it. Serbia does not need EU, even if Serbia recognizes Kosovo as a independent state there would be a small chance to enter this union. Serbia should enter the EU when Anti Serb countries like Germany invite Serbia before then NO joining.
And without these talks Kosovo belongs officially to Serbia , deal with it!
Until this very hour Serbia did not belive that accesion talks would be held up.
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Now the goal is get Kosova up to date to start talks and then admit them at the same time in the Eu with well defined borders. The choice would be Serbia's come in and admit the borders or stay out and join Russian federation
(UNE, 18 April 2013 01:09)
Well, well.. The time has finally come, for the EU to expedite Kosovas EU bid. This policy, should have been adopted several years ago! Serbia, should have never been allowed to hold hostage, Kosova's EU ambitions! Serbia, has committed enough pain & misery amongst the peaceful citizens of Kosova, first, years & years of brutall oppression of basic human rights & democratic freedoms, second, a brutal Serbian Campaign of ethnic cleansing upon a mostly unarmed civilian population, with over 800.000 Kosovar albanians forced to leave there homes, and seek refuge in 3 neiboring countries! Kosova, and her 2 million citizens cannot continue to suffer Also, Kosova's security forces should take controll of her country's borders immediately, and in its entirety! If then, Serbia takes aggressive military operations against Kosova, yet again, the democratic world will see first hand, that Serbia has been playing a game of deception all along, and was only trying to enter the EU prematurely & with treachery on her mind!!!
According to Vlora Citaku, who was posting on Facebook throughout the day, Kosovo accepted Ashton's proposal from the start, but the Serbs wanted changes. One thing they wanted was an agreement that Kosovo and Serbia would work together on EU accession. Thaci countered with an offer to work together on international acceptance for Kosovo. I imagine he couldn't see Serbia treating Kosovo as a part of Serbia for the next few years in international meetings. Serbia didn't accept his counteroffer and is accusing Thaci of torpedoing the meeting. This is how I remember the argument - if I got it wrong, don't hold against my sources. Maybe we'll find out in a few days how it all came apart after seeming like such a sure thing in the morning.
With sick mind like Dacic,Vucic and Nikolic I dont see any solution.Serbs want only war.
No wonder that Croatia used their own way to solve their problem.
(Mirel from Albania, 18 April 2013 02:10)
So first you accuse the Serbian side of wanting war because you think they rejected a proposal and then you indirectly wish for ethnic cleansing against Serbs by Albanians as a way to "solve" a problem like Croatia did.
Is funny when u listen Dacic saying that he and Thaci will get an agreement directly without mediators.
There are nine rounds of meetings mediated by EU and USA and still Dacic thinks that Kosovo je Serbia.
If u want excecutive powers for serbs in North u should give Kosovo your consensus to have a UN seat,as Ahtisari Plan says.
With sick mind like Dacic,Vucic and Nikolic I dont see any solution.Serbs want only war.
No wonder that Croatia used their own way to solve their problem.
With thickhead politicians in Serbia none has got a deal through negotiations.
I'm wondering whether Thaci's need to suddenly adjourn the meeting for a few hours earlier today was because he needed to speed dial Washington to support him countering Ashton's proposals. Looks like they again delivered for their favorite puppet :)
Dear UNE,
why did you claim there would be no alternative for Serbia if rejected the new borders?You offered only two options. Serbia will join the EU or become the part of Russian Federation, you said. Serbia is an independent state and has many friends around the globe.If you choose only one side you can not find always economic benefits. I`m sure that Serbian government will find their own way.
Until this very hour Serbia did not belive that accesion talks would be held up.
http://euobserver.com/enlargement/119833
Now the goal is get Kosova up to date to start talks and then admit them at the same time in the Eu with well defined borders. The choice would be Serbia's come in and admit the borders or stay out and join Russian federation
Is funny when u listen Dacic saying that he and Thaci will get an agreement directly without mediators.
There are nine rounds of meetings mediated by EU and USA and still Dacic thinks that Kosovo je Serbia.
If u want excecutive powers for serbs in North u should give Kosovo your consensus to have a UN seat,as Ahtisari Plan says.
With sick mind like Dacic,Vucic and Nikolic I dont see any solution.Serbs want only war.
No wonder that Croatia used their own way to solve their problem.
With thickhead politicians in Serbia none has got a deal through negotiations.
I'm wondering whether Thaci's need to suddenly adjourn the meeting for a few hours earlier today was because he needed to speed dial Washington to support him countering Ashton's proposals. Looks like they again delivered for their favorite puppet :)
Dear UNE,
why did you claim there would be no alternative for Serbia if rejected the new borders?You offered only two options. Serbia will join the EU or become the part of Russian Federation, you said. Serbia is an independent state and has many friends around the globe.If you choose only one side you can not find always economic benefits. I`m sure that Serbian government will find their own way.
Until this very hour Serbia did not belive that accesion talks would be held up.
http://euobserver.com/enlargement/119833
Now the goal is get Kosova up to date to start talks and then admit them at the same time in the Eu with well defined borders. The choice would be Serbia's come in and admit the borders or stay out and join Russian federation
According to Vlora Citaku, who was posting on Facebook throughout the day, Kosovo accepted Ashton's proposal from the start, but the Serbs wanted changes. One thing they wanted was an agreement that Kosovo and Serbia would work together on EU accession. Thaci countered with an offer to work together on international acceptance for Kosovo. I imagine he couldn't see Serbia treating Kosovo as a part of Serbia for the next few years in international meetings. Serbia didn't accept his counteroffer and is accusing Thaci of torpedoing the meeting. This is how I remember the argument - if I got it wrong, don't hold against my sources. Maybe we'll find out in a few days how it all came apart after seeming like such a sure thing in the morning.
With sick mind like Dacic,Vucic and Nikolic I dont see any solution.Serbs want only war.
No wonder that Croatia used their own way to solve their problem.
(Mirel from Albania, 18 April 2013 02:10)
So first you accuse the Serbian side of wanting war because you think they rejected a proposal and then you indirectly wish for ethnic cleansing against Serbs by Albanians as a way to "solve" a problem like Croatia did.
Considering the following statement by German foreign minister, I would say that all this excitement from the Serbian camp is all for nothing (lies and hopes as usual)
BRUSSELS - German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle has bluntly told Serbia it cannot open EU accession talks unless it cedes control of north Kosovo.
"An agreement on starting negotiations on Serbia joining the EU, which it would like to see this summer, will be significantly delayed if it does not reach a deal with Kosovo," he said in Berlin on Tuesday (16 April), according to French and German news agencies.
He indicated that even if Serbia is left on the shelf, the EU should start talks on a pre-accession pact, a so-called Stabilisation and Association Agreement, with Kosovo.
"When one country [Kosovo] delivers results and another doesn't, the one that is taking steps... that is doing its homework must not be held responsible for the lack of good will by the other," he added.
don't worry, serbia will get another "last chance" to become ridicolous province within eu and war criminal tacic will get another chance to turn from snake to rabbit that eats from vucics hand ...
simply because there is something in the air, that was taken out from platform but still makes brown pants in pristina and washington: nothing is reached until everything is negotiated ...
and of course the un, those skippy-terrorists and their western mentors fear the un ...
if i'm wrong and the eu-talks freeze, the better ...
I'm happy to see that Serbia has a spine and is capable of holding out for the deal that is acceptable. Ultimately, Serbia is in the driver's seat, and they can determine the situation in Northern Kosovo. Pristina will have to agree because their status under UNSC 1244 is in limbo. It will stay in limbo until Serbia says otherwise with Russian backing. Otherwise, Thaci wouldn't even be in Brussels. If Kosovo was as "independent" as they claim, there is no reason for Thaci to participate at all. Serbia is in the UN already, and Pristina is in nothing. UNSC 1244 governs Thaci's desperation.
Serbia is loosing her territory anyway and that is sad. Arnauts are selling property which Serbia made...but that is life, and at this point there is no way to bring it back. With good politics and excellent diplomacy there is lot of things that can be improved. That story how Serbia didnt accept the deal is nonsense. Taci is trying to fool KiM publics and to mask the fact that hi must accept that deal because Serbia gave it all, and they got a their so called state like a gift from heaven...hard part is comming they must maintain economy which is no 0 level, people are unemployed and hungry. They thought if they have a state their own then problem is solved but real problems are on their way. That is Tacis problem...elections on KiM are comming...and he havent don anything to improve bad economics...
You could trash that Serbian version how that meeting was going on ever since they published the lie that Thaci was leaving the room because something bad was offered. Apparently it was a lie and the same people bring up this story now.
Vlora Citaku posted clearly that the 15 points plan which came from Ashton was accepted by Albanians. Point 14 was to admit Kosovo to all international organizations. Most likely this was the point which Dacic and Vucic which they did not tell the (Serbian) public.
Kosovo made his points clear and did not change them. Serbia failed. That is the whole and (for Serbs) ugly truth.
Taci is playing games and he keeps saying nonsense. That is his "must" because he cant admit to public at Kosovo that he lost the challenge. He also needs to close this problem as soon as possible because there is no money on KiM and everybody downthere expects that money from EU.
yes, because when Kosova actually was under Blegrade's jurisdiction, there really was a lot of economic development :-). yes I remember the period 1989-1999...continues growth, full employment, exemplary human rights records and free ice cream for every citizen on Tuesday at 8, courtesy of the big economic success. face it, Serbia itself is an economic basket case and a general election from bankruptcy.
Membership of the UN means you exist as a country. It is 'the icing on the cake'.
If I understand it correctly Thaci needs Serbia to endorse this recognition at the UN so that Kosovo(a) can exist as independent. Without this endorsement Kosovo(a) will never truly be independent.
(T, 18 April 2013 14:23)
According to your logic, Switzerland was never an independent country till 2002!
EVERYTHING WAS GOING SO WELL, SERBIA WAS GOING TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT FINALLY!! UNTILL THE SNAKE THACI IMPOSED HIS STUPID IDEA OF MEMBERSHIP OF KOSOVO IN THE UN ! SERIOUSLY? THE SERBS WILL BE UNDER PRESSURE TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE LATER MAYBE BUT WHY TO BE SO DESTRUCTIVE IN THE DIALOGUE???
If Kosovo was as "independent" as they claim, there is no reason for Thaci to participate at all. Serbia is in the UN already, and Pristina is in nothing. UNSC 1244 governs Thaci's desperation.
(Michael, 18 April 2013 06:14)
Why would Dacic go to Brussels if he thought that; "Kosova is part of Serbia"!
Kosovo can be taken, but never lost. It would be indeed difficult to find anybody to sign a document accepting that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia. I would bet that even those who say that this should be done (Jovanovic, Kandic, Srbljanovic etc.), would change their minds if they would be signatories. If you have a drop of Serbian blood in yourself, you just can't do it, whatever is the price for not doing it.
John: I read your post carefully and what I do not understand is what Serbia has to do with admission of Kosovo into international organizations? Any admission into any organization is an issue to this particular organization. It is up to those organizations whether they want Kosovo in or out. What this has to do with Serbia? If this point is a problem, just remove it.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 12:19)
Not true, Serbia can block Kosovo from joining UN.
Until this very hour Serbia did not belive that accesion talks would be held up.
[link]
Now the goal is get Kosova up to date to start talks and then admit them at the same time in the Eu with well defined borders. The choice would be Serbia's come in and admit the borders or stay out and join Russian federation
(UNE, 18 April 2013 01:09)
Well, well.. The time has finally come, for the EU to expedite Kosovas EU bid. This policy, should have been adopted several years ago! Serbia, should have never been allowed to hold hostage, Kosova's EU ambitions! Serbia, has committed enough pain & misery amongst the peaceful citizens of Kosova, first, years & years of brutall oppression of basic human rights & democratic freedoms, second, a brutal Serbian Campaign of ethnic cleansing upon a mostly unarmed civilian population, with over 800.000 Kosovar albanians forced to leave there homes, and seek refuge in 3 neiboring countries! Kosova, and her 2 million citizens cannot continue to suffer Also, Kosova's security forces should take controll of her country's borders immediately, and in its entirety! If then, Serbia takes aggressive military operations against Kosova, yet again, the democratic world will see first hand, that Serbia has been playing a game of deception all along, and was only trying to enter the EU prematurely & with treachery on her mind!!!
@dardania flag
Serbia is not the blame, hmm Kosovo Albanians decided to rip apart the province from the Republic of Serbia so you solve this mess it's not up to Serbia.
@Mirel
Crawl back in your hole
About these talks, they should stop there is really no point in it. Serbia does not need EU, even if Serbia recognizes Kosovo as a independent state there would be a small chance to enter this union. Serbia should enter the EU when Anti Serb countries like Germany invite Serbia before then NO joining.
And without these talks Kosovo belongs officially to Serbia , deal with it!
It would be a lot easier for people on KiM if they remained under Serbias borders and administration. In that case they could do nothing as they always were, Serbia would be in charge for their lives and only thing which would be on their back is to say to EU that there is a lot of poverty and unemployment...then Serbia must improve that situation and send money to KiM. Now when they have a state of their own they will see the problems of real living in country with no economy and with no proper workers
Vlora Citaku posted clearly that the 15 points plan which came from Ashton was accepted by Albanians. Point 14 was to admit Kosovo to all international organizations. Most likely this was the point which Dacic and Vucic which they did not tell the (Serbian) public.
Kosovo made his points clear and did not change them. Serbia failed. That is the whole and (for Serbs) ugly truth.
(John, 18 April 2013 08:17)
Nothing ugly about this for us, this is great news since the majority of the people dont want to join the EU we couldn´t care less. The most important thing is that the albanians dont get a un seat and that they finally realize that we will neeeeeeeeeeeeeeever recognize kosovo independent. That point wasn´t even included until Taci in the last second wanted to include it so no wonder it wasn´t told to the serbian public when even themselves didn´t know about it.
We have made our things clear a long long time ago with the platform and once again showed that we will not stand in to any kind of blackmail whatsoever. As far as we are concerned this can go on for 10 or 100 yrs. Couldnt care less about the EU, time is on our side.
You should leave your beloved west and go to Kosova and see what is the real name of Kosova, and ask the Albanians if KOSOVA is a serbian word. And another thing Danny Boy, we Albanians unlike 30 years ago are a bit educated now and we know what belongs to us and what does not.
B92 Please publish my comment. Thanks
(Eagleeye, 18 April 2013 19:30)
I dont care about albanian opinion. You can read international newspapers and nowhere does it say Kosova but Kosovo and I dont need to ask an albanian if its a serbian word since I am serbian and I know that it is a serbian word. Here is the translation for you,
"Kosovo" is a Serbian place name, more fully "kosovo polje", meaning the 'field (or plain) of blackbirds'. "Kosovo Polje" lies just outside the city of Prishtina.
Ornithology lesson: Among North Americans, Australians, and South Africans, only ornithologists can identify the species in question. Kosovo's "black bird" is no crow, nor raven, no starling nor grackle, but "turdus merula", European cousin of the North American rusty-bellied thrush ("turdus migratorius"), which Yanks call the "robin".
Last but not least we all know how well "educated" you albanians are so I dont really need to comment that just laugh at it hahahahha
No deal? Surprise, surprise.
Both sides are sticking to their guns. Both blame each other for failure and won't budge on their demands. The diplomats of the EU have failed as mediators because they are not capable of understanding the Balkan mentality, mostly stubborn and proud.
Maybe we should call in the divorce lawyers to finish the job since both sides are quibbling like man and wife who know the marriage is over but can't let go till each one has got the most out of a bad situation.
Recognizing Kosovo as independent by 100 or so countries was therefore premature. I am not saying that they do not deserve it but obviously this is going nowhere resulting in that both Kosovo and Serbia will remain in limbo for the foreseeable future. Shame.
Nothing ugly about this for us, this is great news since the majority of the people dont want to join the EU we couldn´t care less.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 11:47)
I read only this sentence of your post and it is enough because it shows me that you are just issuing hot air. If you don't want to join EU then withdraw EU application right now. I have nothing against it, in the contrary. You need to stay out and live in misery for at least another or two decades to be cured from the Kosovo myth. What's the problem? As long as you don't do this, your claim that you don't want to join is just utter bulls***.
@ Kosta
When there is an agreement that Kosovo joins all international organizations, then Serbia's allies will stop opposing it. However, if Serbia continues to oppose it then Kosovo's allies will make sure that Serbia will be blocked from EU. Very simple..
But what's really funny is that Marko Đurić himself said that Ashton proposed the 15 points, containing point number 14 which refers Kosovo's admission to UN, while Dacic claimed in this news that it was Thaci who offered it. So either Đurić or Dacic are lying, but since Vlora Citaku confirms Đurić's version, it is obvious that Dacic lied.
@John: You are effectively saying that Serbia is so powerful that controls a range of world organisations? I think that you are mistaken. I am sure that you will be the first to admit that Serbia is a small country without much power and many friends. It is unfair to ask Serbia something that is out of her power.
@Daniel: I respectively disagree with you. Serbia has no any power to stop Kosovo from doing anything. If some country does not want to accept Kosovo as an independent state it is up to that particular country, not Serbia. As an example, if Kosovo would like to be recognised by Russia, they should approach Russia directly. Don't tell me that Serbia is so powerful to direct Russia or China what they need to do? It is unfair to ask from Serbia what is outside of her power.
Membership of the UN was never on the cards and was not even to be discussed at these talks. Thaci knows that, but puts it in anyway. Sometimes I wonder if the kalbs know what they are doing? Maybe they really are not participating in good faith.
@John: I read your post carefully and what I do not understand is what Serbia has to do with admission of Kosovo into international organizations? Any admission into any organization is an issue to this particular organization. It is up to those organizations whether they want Kosovo in or out. What this has to do with Serbia? If this point is a problem, just remove it.
Brussels has in effect given Thaci a veto on Serbia's EU membership. Progress in talks depends on goodwill on both sides and all he needs to do if an agreement that falls short of his goal looks as if it is close is make an unreasonable demand. Everything then stops and no EU talks date for Serbia is the outcome. Dacic needs to give a 'bottom line' to both Ashton and Thaci and then walk away for good. If membership of the EU is sacrificed at least the dignity of the Serb people will be in tact. At the risk of repeating myself, this obsession with joining the EU is crippling the Balkans countries. What goes Macedonia have in common with Sweden? What are the common characteristics of the Albanians and the Dutch? Europe thrives on its diversity, not by creating a formula for the 'model state' and then insisting that everyone plays along. Don't be fooled into thinking that Brussels wants Serbia/Bosnia/Macedonia et al to become members for the benefit of the citizens of these countries. They simply want a potential security problem removed from their doorstep.
Membership of the UN means you exist as a country. It is 'the icing on the cake'.
If I understand it correctly Thaci needs Serbia to endorse this recognition at the UN so that Kosovo(a) can exist as independent. Without this endorsement Kosovo(a) will never truly be independent.
Yup...Thaci would like to say something what would convince people that he is realy been asked for something...yeah right...Come on Thaci try to say something realy true like "we have 0 economy" "we'r gonna be washed with no money from EU" "without Serbias aproval there is no Kosovo in UN or anywhere else" try sayng that to your tribes down there...I dare you
Means that when Serbia signs point 14 in the agreement, Russia will not object and Kosovo will enter UN.
Is it now clear enough?
(John, 18 April 2013 15:00)
Serbia will never sign point 14 and has stated thousands of times that it will never recognize Kosovo as independent. When will u ever get that through your thick head?Isn´t that clear enough for you?
but since Vlora Citaku confirms Đurić's version, it is obvious that Dacic lied.
(John, 18 April 2013 13:08)
Yeah Vlora Citaku is obviously a very neutral source Hahahhahaha hungarian/albanian fool.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 18:18)
# Comment link
It is not only Citaku but also Duric. They are diplomatic adversaries and say exactly same.
And I have no idea with whom you are confusing me, since I'm neither Hungarian nor ever have been there. But this false assumptions matches with the rest of your epic failure statements.
Dacic is panicking because Thaci threatens to fully integrate Kosovo into Serbia. This would lead to Thaci becoming a Serbian Prime Minister and Dacic would be out. Everybody knows that Thaci would never resort to violence; the man is Gandhi.
@John: I see that you are joking. Friends? I wouldn't call them friends. You seem to believe that Serbia tells Russia what to do, while USA is a Kosovo's puppet.
@John: I see that you are joking. Friends? I wouldn't call them friends. You seem to believe that Serbia tells Russia what to do, while USA is a Kosovo's puppet.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 14:35)
Well, I would not call Russia friend to Serbia either, but I think that Russia's interest will not go that far that they will be more Serbian than Serbs, as they have stated in numerous cases. Means that when Serbia signs point 14 in the agreement, Russia will not object and Kosovo will enter UN.
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
There is no such thing as KosovA only Kosovo exists which is a serbian word by the way. Educate yourself before u comment.
I read only this sentence of your post and it is enough because it shows me that you are just issuing hot air. If you don't want to join EU then withdraw EU application right now. I have nothing against it, in the contrary. You need to stay out and live in misery for at least another or two decades to be cured from the Kosovo myth. What's the problem? As long as you don't do this, your claim that you don't want to join is just utter bulls***.
I live better than you will ever, I can employ you so u can be my private hungarian-american garden keeper. I´ll give you 200 euro and food every month so u dont have to live on welfare any more, 25 years is enough.
Why would Dacic go to Brussels if he thought that; "Kosova is part of Serbia"!
(Kosova-USA, 18 April 2013 11:19)
What is Kosova?
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 12:56)
Daniel,
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
Daniel: I respectively disagree with you. Serbia has no any power to stop Kosovo from doing anything. If some country does not want to accept Kosovo as an independent state it is up to that particular country, not Serbia. As an example, if Kosovo would like to be recognised by Russia, they should approach Russia directly. Don't tell me that Serbia is so powerful to direct Russia or China what they need to do? It is unfair to ask from Serbia what is outside of her power.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 13:52)
It has nothing to do with power but international laws since Serbia hasn´t recognized Kosovo independent its still considered as a disputed territory and therefore it can not get a UN seat unless Serbia recognizes its independence.
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
There is no such thing as KosovA only Kosovo exists which is a serbian word by the way. Educate yourself before u comment.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 18:12)
@ Daniel
You should leave your beloved west and go to Kosova and see what is the real name of Kosova, and ask the Albanians if KOSOVA is a serbian word. And another thing Danny Boy, we Albanians unlike 30 years ago are a bit educated now and we know what belongs to us and what does not.
One should know Kosovo Albanians. In every possible way they will try to sneak the issue of their membership in international organizations, not mentioning UN. That is why the negotiation is fruitless, and that is why Serbs are not to blame for not reaching the agreement.
I dont care about albanian opinion. You can read international newspapers and nowhere does it say Kosova but Kosovo and I dont need to ask an albanian if its a serbian word since I am serbian and I know that it is a serbian word. Here is the translation for you,
"Kosovo" is a Serbian place name, more fully "kosovo polje", meaning the 'field (or plain) of blackbirds'. "Kosovo Polje" lies just outside the city of Prishtina.
Ornithology lesson: Among North Americans, Australians, and South Africans, only ornithologists can identify the species in question. Kosovo's "black bird" is no crow, nor raven, no starling nor grackle, but "turdus merula", European cousin of the North American rusty-bellied thrush ("turdus migratorius"), which Yanks call the "robin".
Last but not least we all know how well "educated" you albanians are so I dont really need to comment that just laugh at it hahahahha
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 20:44)
Yes Kosova does mean field of blackbirds. Can you please tell me what two headed creature is on Albania's flag and what is Albania's national bird?
'I don't care about Albanian opinion' says Daniel. When will otherwise intelligent people realise that every comment like this adds grist to the mill of those who supported the UDI. Full marks for honesty as I am sure that Daniel and many others really don't care what Albanians think or want, but at the same time it needs to be accepted that these deep seated views are at the root of the desire of Kosovo Albanians to run their own lives.
@ Kosovo-USA,
When the UN was founded in 1945, the Swiss government ruled out membership. It saw the organisation as incompatible with neutrality. For other neutral states, including Sweden and Austria, their neutrality was not a barrier to taking part.
Nobody blocked these countries from becoming members. The choice was theirs. Palestine has been blocked but now has observer status. Unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo it will go no further than Palestine, i.e. a state in limbo.
Unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo it will go no further than Palestine, i.e. a state in limbo. (T, 19. april 2013 08:55) Kosovo can exercise it's power and authority in Kosovo (apart from the North), Palestine's power is very limited in Palestine and can only be applied to certain enclaves. Palestine doesn't have the power to decide what goods can enter Palestine, Isreal control's it's borders. Kosovo is in a far better situation than Palestine. Kosovo is more than capable of getting Observer member status in the UN and Russia will be powerless to stop it, just like the US was powerless to stop Palestine.
Yes Kosova does mean field of blackbirds. Can you please tell me what two headed creature is on Albania's flag and what is Albania's national bird?
No it doesn´t, Kosovo polje means field of blackbirds. And Kos is a serbian word for blackbird. And can u tell me what 2headed creature is on the serbian flag?
Is funny when u listen Dacic saying that he and Thaci will get an agreement directly without mediators.
There are nine rounds of meetings mediated by EU and USA and still Dacic thinks that Kosovo je Serbia.
If u want excecutive powers for serbs in North u should give Kosovo your consensus to have a UN seat,as Ahtisari Plan says.
With sick mind like Dacic,Vucic and Nikolic I dont see any solution.Serbs want only war.
No wonder that Croatia used their own way to solve their problem.
With thickhead politicians in Serbia none has got a deal through negotiations.
Until this very hour Serbia did not belive that accesion talks would be held up.
http://euobserver.com/enlargement/119833
Now the goal is get Kosova up to date to start talks and then admit them at the same time in the Eu with well defined borders. The choice would be Serbia's come in and admit the borders or stay out and join Russian federation
I'm wondering whether Thaci's need to suddenly adjourn the meeting for a few hours earlier today was because he needed to speed dial Washington to support him countering Ashton's proposals. Looks like they again delivered for their favorite puppet :)
Dear UNE,
why did you claim there would be no alternative for Serbia if rejected the new borders?You offered only two options. Serbia will join the EU or become the part of Russian Federation, you said. Serbia is an independent state and has many friends around the globe.If you choose only one side you can not find always economic benefits. I`m sure that Serbian government will find their own way.
According to Vlora Citaku, who was posting on Facebook throughout the day, Kosovo accepted Ashton's proposal from the start, but the Serbs wanted changes. One thing they wanted was an agreement that Kosovo and Serbia would work together on EU accession. Thaci countered with an offer to work together on international acceptance for Kosovo. I imagine he couldn't see Serbia treating Kosovo as a part of Serbia for the next few years in international meetings. Serbia didn't accept his counteroffer and is accusing Thaci of torpedoing the meeting. This is how I remember the argument - if I got it wrong, don't hold against my sources. Maybe we'll find out in a few days how it all came apart after seeming like such a sure thing in the morning.
Until this very hour Serbia did not belive that accesion talks would be held up.
[link]
Now the goal is get Kosova up to date to start talks and then admit them at the same time in the Eu with well defined borders. The choice would be Serbia's come in and admit the borders or stay out and join Russian federation
(UNE, 18 April 2013 01:09)
Well, well.. The time has finally come, for the EU to expedite Kosovas EU bid. This policy, should have been adopted several years ago! Serbia, should have never been allowed to hold hostage, Kosova's EU ambitions! Serbia, has committed enough pain & misery amongst the peaceful citizens of Kosova, first, years & years of brutall oppression of basic human rights & democratic freedoms, second, a brutal Serbian Campaign of ethnic cleansing upon a mostly unarmed civilian population, with over 800.000 Kosovar albanians forced to leave there homes, and seek refuge in 3 neiboring countries! Kosova, and her 2 million citizens cannot continue to suffer Also, Kosova's security forces should take controll of her country's borders immediately, and in its entirety! If then, Serbia takes aggressive military operations against Kosova, yet again, the democratic world will see first hand, that Serbia has been playing a game of deception all along, and was only trying to enter the EU prematurely & with treachery on her mind!!!
It would be a lot easier for people on KiM if they remained under Serbias borders and administration. In that case they could do nothing as they always were, Serbia would be in charge for their lives and only thing which would be on their back is to say to EU that there is a lot of poverty and unemployment...then Serbia must improve that situation and send money to KiM. Now when they have a state of their own they will see the problems of real living in country with no economy and with no proper workers
Dacic is panicking because Thaci threatens to fully integrate Kosovo into Serbia. This would lead to Thaci becoming a Serbian Prime Minister and Dacic would be out. Everybody knows that Thaci would never resort to violence; the man is Gandhi.
@dardania flag
Serbia is not the blame, hmm Kosovo Albanians decided to rip apart the province from the Republic of Serbia so you solve this mess it's not up to Serbia.
@Mirel
Crawl back in your hole
About these talks, they should stop there is really no point in it. Serbia does not need EU, even if Serbia recognizes Kosovo as a independent state there would be a small chance to enter this union. Serbia should enter the EU when Anti Serb countries like Germany invite Serbia before then NO joining.
And without these talks Kosovo belongs officially to Serbia , deal with it!
EVERYTHING WAS GOING SO WELL, SERBIA WAS GOING TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT FINALLY!! UNTILL THE SNAKE THACI IMPOSED HIS STUPID IDEA OF MEMBERSHIP OF KOSOVO IN THE UN ! SERIOUSLY? THE SERBS WILL BE UNDER PRESSURE TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE LATER MAYBE BUT WHY TO BE SO DESTRUCTIVE IN THE DIALOGUE???
Serbia is loosing her territory anyway and that is sad. Arnauts are selling property which Serbia made...but that is life, and at this point there is no way to bring it back. With good politics and excellent diplomacy there is lot of things that can be improved. That story how Serbia didnt accept the deal is nonsense. Taci is trying to fool KiM publics and to mask the fact that hi must accept that deal because Serbia gave it all, and they got a their so called state like a gift from heaven...hard part is comming they must maintain economy which is no 0 level, people are unemployed and hungry. They thought if they have a state their own then problem is solved but real problems are on their way. That is Tacis problem...elections on KiM are comming...and he havent don anything to improve bad economics...
Why would Dacic go to Brussels if he thought that; "Kosova is part of Serbia"!
(Kosova-USA, 18 April 2013 11:19)
What is Kosova?
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 12:56)
Daniel,
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
I'm happy to see that Serbia has a spine and is capable of holding out for the deal that is acceptable. Ultimately, Serbia is in the driver's seat, and they can determine the situation in Northern Kosovo. Pristina will have to agree because their status under UNSC 1244 is in limbo. It will stay in limbo until Serbia says otherwise with Russian backing. Otherwise, Thaci wouldn't even be in Brussels. If Kosovo was as "independent" as they claim, there is no reason for Thaci to participate at all. Serbia is in the UN already, and Pristina is in nothing. UNSC 1244 governs Thaci's desperation.
You could trash that Serbian version how that meeting was going on ever since they published the lie that Thaci was leaving the room because something bad was offered. Apparently it was a lie and the same people bring up this story now.
Vlora Citaku posted clearly that the 15 points plan which came from Ashton was accepted by Albanians. Point 14 was to admit Kosovo to all international organizations. Most likely this was the point which Dacic and Vucic which they did not tell the (Serbian) public.
Kosovo made his points clear and did not change them. Serbia failed. That is the whole and (for Serbs) ugly truth.
Taci is playing games and he keeps saying nonsense. That is his "must" because he cant admit to public at Kosovo that he lost the challenge. He also needs to close this problem as soon as possible because there is no money on KiM and everybody downthere expects that money from EU.
Membership of the UN was never on the cards and was not even to be discussed at these talks. Thaci knows that, but puts it in anyway. Sometimes I wonder if the kalbs know what they are doing? Maybe they really are not participating in good faith.
Kosovo can be taken, but never lost. It would be indeed difficult to find anybody to sign a document accepting that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia. I would bet that even those who say that this should be done (Jovanovic, Kandic, Srbljanovic etc.), would change their minds if they would be signatories. If you have a drop of Serbian blood in yourself, you just can't do it, whatever is the price for not doing it.
John: I read your post carefully and what I do not understand is what Serbia has to do with admission of Kosovo into international organizations? Any admission into any organization is an issue to this particular organization. It is up to those organizations whether they want Kosovo in or out. What this has to do with Serbia? If this point is a problem, just remove it.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 12:19)
Not true, Serbia can block Kosovo from joining UN.
@John: I see that you are joking. Friends? I wouldn't call them friends. You seem to believe that Serbia tells Russia what to do, while USA is a Kosovo's puppet.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 14:35)
Well, I would not call Russia friend to Serbia either, but I think that Russia's interest will not go that far that they will be more Serbian than Serbs, as they have stated in numerous cases. Means that when Serbia signs point 14 in the agreement, Russia will not object and Kosovo will enter UN.
With sick mind like Dacic,Vucic and Nikolic I dont see any solution.Serbs want only war.
No wonder that Croatia used their own way to solve their problem.
(Mirel from Albania, 18 April 2013 02:10)
So first you accuse the Serbian side of wanting war because you think they rejected a proposal and then you indirectly wish for ethnic cleansing against Serbs by Albanians as a way to "solve" a problem like Croatia did.
don't worry, serbia will get another "last chance" to become ridicolous province within eu and war criminal tacic will get another chance to turn from snake to rabbit that eats from vucics hand ...
simply because there is something in the air, that was taken out from platform but still makes brown pants in pristina and washington: nothing is reached until everything is negotiated ...
and of course the un, those skippy-terrorists and their western mentors fear the un ...
if i'm wrong and the eu-talks freeze, the better ...
No deal? Surprise, surprise.
Both sides are sticking to their guns. Both blame each other for failure and won't budge on their demands. The diplomats of the EU have failed as mediators because they are not capable of understanding the Balkan mentality, mostly stubborn and proud.
Maybe we should call in the divorce lawyers to finish the job since both sides are quibbling like man and wife who know the marriage is over but can't let go till each one has got the most out of a bad situation.
Recognizing Kosovo as independent by 100 or so countries was therefore premature. I am not saying that they do not deserve it but obviously this is going nowhere resulting in that both Kosovo and Serbia will remain in limbo for the foreseeable future. Shame.
If Kosovo was as "independent" as they claim, there is no reason for Thaci to participate at all. Serbia is in the UN already, and Pristina is in nothing. UNSC 1244 governs Thaci's desperation.
(Michael, 18 April 2013 06:14)
Why would Dacic go to Brussels if he thought that; "Kosova is part of Serbia"!
Vlora Citaku posted clearly that the 15 points plan which came from Ashton was accepted by Albanians. Point 14 was to admit Kosovo to all international organizations. Most likely this was the point which Dacic and Vucic which they did not tell the (Serbian) public.
Kosovo made his points clear and did not change them. Serbia failed. That is the whole and (for Serbs) ugly truth.
(John, 18 April 2013 08:17)
Nothing ugly about this for us, this is great news since the majority of the people dont want to join the EU we couldn´t care less. The most important thing is that the albanians dont get a un seat and that they finally realize that we will neeeeeeeeeeeeeeever recognize kosovo independent. That point wasn´t even included until Taci in the last second wanted to include it so no wonder it wasn´t told to the serbian public when even themselves didn´t know about it.
We have made our things clear a long long time ago with the platform and once again showed that we will not stand in to any kind of blackmail whatsoever. As far as we are concerned this can go on for 10 or 100 yrs. Couldnt care less about the EU, time is on our side.
Membership of the UN means you exist as a country. It is 'the icing on the cake'.
If I understand it correctly Thaci needs Serbia to endorse this recognition at the UN so that Kosovo(a) can exist as independent. Without this endorsement Kosovo(a) will never truly be independent.
yes, because when Kosova actually was under Blegrade's jurisdiction, there really was a lot of economic development :-). yes I remember the period 1989-1999...continues growth, full employment, exemplary human rights records and free ice cream for every citizen on Tuesday at 8, courtesy of the big economic success. face it, Serbia itself is an economic basket case and a general election from bankruptcy.
@John: I read your post carefully and what I do not understand is what Serbia has to do with admission of Kosovo into international organizations? Any admission into any organization is an issue to this particular organization. It is up to those organizations whether they want Kosovo in or out. What this has to do with Serbia? If this point is a problem, just remove it.
@John: I see that you are joking. Friends? I wouldn't call them friends. You seem to believe that Serbia tells Russia what to do, while USA is a Kosovo's puppet.
Membership of the UN means you exist as a country. It is 'the icing on the cake'.
If I understand it correctly Thaci needs Serbia to endorse this recognition at the UN so that Kosovo(a) can exist as independent. Without this endorsement Kosovo(a) will never truly be independent.
(T, 18 April 2013 14:23)
According to your logic, Switzerland was never an independent country till 2002!
Daniel: I respectively disagree with you. Serbia has no any power to stop Kosovo from doing anything. If some country does not want to accept Kosovo as an independent state it is up to that particular country, not Serbia. As an example, if Kosovo would like to be recognised by Russia, they should approach Russia directly. Don't tell me that Serbia is so powerful to direct Russia or China what they need to do? It is unfair to ask from Serbia what is outside of her power.
(Kosta, 18 April 2013 13:52)
It has nothing to do with power but international laws since Serbia hasn´t recognized Kosovo independent its still considered as a disputed territory and therefore it can not get a UN seat unless Serbia recognizes its independence.
Considering the following statement by German foreign minister, I would say that all this excitement from the Serbian camp is all for nothing (lies and hopes as usual)
BRUSSELS - German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle has bluntly told Serbia it cannot open EU accession talks unless it cedes control of north Kosovo.
"An agreement on starting negotiations on Serbia joining the EU, which it would like to see this summer, will be significantly delayed if it does not reach a deal with Kosovo," he said in Berlin on Tuesday (16 April), according to French and German news agencies.
He indicated that even if Serbia is left on the shelf, the EU should start talks on a pre-accession pact, a so-called Stabilisation and Association Agreement, with Kosovo.
"When one country [Kosovo] delivers results and another doesn't, the one that is taking steps... that is doing its homework must not be held responsible for the lack of good will by the other," he added.
Nothing ugly about this for us, this is great news since the majority of the people dont want to join the EU we couldn´t care less.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 11:47)
I read only this sentence of your post and it is enough because it shows me that you are just issuing hot air. If you don't want to join EU then withdraw EU application right now. I have nothing against it, in the contrary. You need to stay out and live in misery for at least another or two decades to be cured from the Kosovo myth. What's the problem? As long as you don't do this, your claim that you don't want to join is just utter bulls***.
@ Kosta
When there is an agreement that Kosovo joins all international organizations, then Serbia's allies will stop opposing it. However, if Serbia continues to oppose it then Kosovo's allies will make sure that Serbia will be blocked from EU. Very simple..
But what's really funny is that Marko Đurić himself said that Ashton proposed the 15 points, containing point number 14 which refers Kosovo's admission to UN, while Dacic claimed in this news that it was Thaci who offered it. So either Đurić or Dacic are lying, but since Vlora Citaku confirms Đurić's version, it is obvious that Dacic lied.
@John: You are effectively saying that Serbia is so powerful that controls a range of world organisations? I think that you are mistaken. I am sure that you will be the first to admit that Serbia is a small country without much power and many friends. It is unfair to ask Serbia something that is out of her power.
@Daniel: I respectively disagree with you. Serbia has no any power to stop Kosovo from doing anything. If some country does not want to accept Kosovo as an independent state it is up to that particular country, not Serbia. As an example, if Kosovo would like to be recognised by Russia, they should approach Russia directly. Don't tell me that Serbia is so powerful to direct Russia or China what they need to do? It is unfair to ask from Serbia what is outside of her power.
Yup...Thaci would like to say something what would convince people that he is realy been asked for something...yeah right...Come on Thaci try to say something realy true like "we have 0 economy" "we'r gonna be washed with no money from EU" "without Serbias aproval there is no Kosovo in UN or anywhere else" try sayng that to your tribes down there...I dare you
You should leave your beloved west and go to Kosova and see what is the real name of Kosova, and ask the Albanians if KOSOVA is a serbian word. And another thing Danny Boy, we Albanians unlike 30 years ago are a bit educated now and we know what belongs to us and what does not.
B92 Please publish my comment. Thanks
(Eagleeye, 18 April 2013 19:30)
I dont care about albanian opinion. You can read international newspapers and nowhere does it say Kosova but Kosovo and I dont need to ask an albanian if its a serbian word since I am serbian and I know that it is a serbian word. Here is the translation for you,
"Kosovo" is a Serbian place name, more fully "kosovo polje", meaning the 'field (or plain) of blackbirds'. "Kosovo Polje" lies just outside the city of Prishtina.
Ornithology lesson: Among North Americans, Australians, and South Africans, only ornithologists can identify the species in question. Kosovo's "black bird" is no crow, nor raven, no starling nor grackle, but "turdus merula", European cousin of the North American rusty-bellied thrush ("turdus migratorius"), which Yanks call the "robin".
Last but not least we all know how well "educated" you albanians are so I dont really need to comment that just laugh at it hahahahha
Brussels has in effect given Thaci a veto on Serbia's EU membership. Progress in talks depends on goodwill on both sides and all he needs to do if an agreement that falls short of his goal looks as if it is close is make an unreasonable demand. Everything then stops and no EU talks date for Serbia is the outcome. Dacic needs to give a 'bottom line' to both Ashton and Thaci and then walk away for good. If membership of the EU is sacrificed at least the dignity of the Serb people will be in tact. At the risk of repeating myself, this obsession with joining the EU is crippling the Balkans countries. What goes Macedonia have in common with Sweden? What are the common characteristics of the Albanians and the Dutch? Europe thrives on its diversity, not by creating a formula for the 'model state' and then insisting that everyone plays along. Don't be fooled into thinking that Brussels wants Serbia/Bosnia/Macedonia et al to become members for the benefit of the citizens of these countries. They simply want a potential security problem removed from their doorstep.
I read only this sentence of your post and it is enough because it shows me that you are just issuing hot air. If you don't want to join EU then withdraw EU application right now. I have nothing against it, in the contrary. You need to stay out and live in misery for at least another or two decades to be cured from the Kosovo myth. What's the problem? As long as you don't do this, your claim that you don't want to join is just utter bulls***.
I live better than you will ever, I can employ you so u can be my private hungarian-american garden keeper. I´ll give you 200 euro and food every month so u dont have to live on welfare any more, 25 years is enough.
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
There is no such thing as KosovA only Kosovo exists which is a serbian word by the way. Educate yourself before u comment.
One should know Kosovo Albanians. In every possible way they will try to sneak the issue of their membership in international organizations, not mentioning UN. That is why the negotiation is fruitless, and that is why Serbs are not to blame for not reaching the agreement.
Means that when Serbia signs point 14 in the agreement, Russia will not object and Kosovo will enter UN.
Is it now clear enough?
(John, 18 April 2013 15:00)
Serbia will never sign point 14 and has stated thousands of times that it will never recognize Kosovo as independent. When will u ever get that through your thick head?Isn´t that clear enough for you?
but since Vlora Citaku confirms Đurić's version, it is obvious that Dacic lied.
(John, 18 April 2013 13:08)
Yeah Vlora Citaku is obviously a very neutral source Hahahhahaha hungarian/albanian fool.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 18:18)
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It is not only Citaku but also Duric. They are diplomatic adversaries and say exactly same.
And I have no idea with whom you are confusing me, since I'm neither Hungarian nor ever have been there. But this false assumptions matches with the rest of your epic failure statements.
@ Kosovo-USA,
When the UN was founded in 1945, the Swiss government ruled out membership. It saw the organisation as incompatible with neutrality. For other neutral states, including Sweden and Austria, their neutrality was not a barrier to taking part.
Nobody blocked these countries from becoming members. The choice was theirs. Palestine has been blocked but now has observer status. Unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo it will go no further than Palestine, i.e. a state in limbo.
Kosova Borders Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia, It is beautiful.
And I do not think you should comment on what you don't know about the Balkans especially if you do not live there.
There is no such thing as KosovA only Kosovo exists which is a serbian word by the way. Educate yourself before u comment.
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 18:12)
@ Daniel
You should leave your beloved west and go to Kosova and see what is the real name of Kosova, and ask the Albanians if KOSOVA is a serbian word. And another thing Danny Boy, we Albanians unlike 30 years ago are a bit educated now and we know what belongs to us and what does not.
I dont care about albanian opinion. You can read international newspapers and nowhere does it say Kosova but Kosovo and I dont need to ask an albanian if its a serbian word since I am serbian and I know that it is a serbian word. Here is the translation for you,
"Kosovo" is a Serbian place name, more fully "kosovo polje", meaning the 'field (or plain) of blackbirds'. "Kosovo Polje" lies just outside the city of Prishtina.
Ornithology lesson: Among North Americans, Australians, and South Africans, only ornithologists can identify the species in question. Kosovo's "black bird" is no crow, nor raven, no starling nor grackle, but "turdus merula", European cousin of the North American rusty-bellied thrush ("turdus migratorius"), which Yanks call the "robin".
Last but not least we all know how well "educated" you albanians are so I dont really need to comment that just laugh at it hahahahha
(Daniel, 18 April 2013 20:44)
Yes Kosova does mean field of blackbirds. Can you please tell me what two headed creature is on Albania's flag and what is Albania's national bird?
'I don't care about Albanian opinion' says Daniel. When will otherwise intelligent people realise that every comment like this adds grist to the mill of those who supported the UDI. Full marks for honesty as I am sure that Daniel and many others really don't care what Albanians think or want, but at the same time it needs to be accepted that these deep seated views are at the root of the desire of Kosovo Albanians to run their own lives.
Unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo it will go no further than Palestine, i.e. a state in limbo. (T, 19. april 2013 08:55) Kosovo can exercise it's power and authority in Kosovo (apart from the North), Palestine's power is very limited in Palestine and can only be applied to certain enclaves. Palestine doesn't have the power to decide what goods can enter Palestine, Isreal control's it's borders. Kosovo is in a far better situation than Palestine. Kosovo is more than capable of getting Observer member status in the UN and Russia will be powerless to stop it, just like the US was powerless to stop Palestine.
Yes Kosova does mean field of blackbirds. Can you please tell me what two headed creature is on Albania's flag and what is Albania's national bird?
No it doesn´t, Kosovo polje means field of blackbirds. And Kos is a serbian word for blackbird. And can u tell me what 2headed creature is on the serbian flag?
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