Kosovo negotiations resume again in Brussels

So, there is a next round of negotiations. Mr. Vucic was right. Nobody has the right to blackmail Serbia.

Amer,
it has already been 5 years since the declaration. So what exactly has been holding the Kosovo Albanians back?

Kosovo is a mirrior image of Albania and there is only doom and gloom ahead.

edi,

you wrote: "Negotiation can be successful only if Serbia does change all its history and replace that with true documented historical facts!"

Please, can you give those documented facts here?

(Amer, 17 April 2013 11:5

Kosovo has not moved one micro metre in the last 14 years and all of a sudden “it will not be held back if Serbia does not sign”. Who are you trying to kid? They are not talking to Belgrade because they are nice people, but simply because they have to.
How is Kosovo going to pull ahead of Serbia when it has nothing? Is this a Kosovo on Mars?
Please go to spin school and then try to post something that makes sense. The EU has its arse hanging out of its pants and Kosovo is going to perform an economic miracle.

Edi- you should throw out those hoxha schoolbooks.

Serbia cant be trusted because they have no vision apart from past era! Those talk are pointless unless some miracle happen on Serbia and Serbs. To evolve!And if they will evolve than they will realize that everything that has been told to them about Kosovo, are the biggest lies that a nation has been feed for as long as 150 years! from the myth of battle of Kosovo, to the myth of Kosovo being Serbia heart or foundation! From the wars of Milosevic to the Tito era! Negotiation can be successful only if Serbia does change all its history and replace that with true documented historical facts! That will help the Serbs and Serbia to evolve, and that will also make them have a clear vision! therefore the question to evolve or not to evolve is a question of real future for Serbia and Serbs!Thx

Were it not for Vucic attending the meeting I would have been very worried.

Agree.Negotiations will continue until an acceptable solution for both sides.Hope it will be soon.

Things are as they suppose to be not as Ashton and Taci hoped to. Or not? Tactics were to blackmail Serbia with EU future and make enormous pressure on Serbian side to fall down and sell all for nothing. Fortunately our negotiators didn fell on that, so we continue diferent way. What I am afraid of, is that last round was only decoy for this round. In last round they gave us nothing to choose. That way they have formed position for this round in which they will offer their final solution and that is Ahtisari plan that we rejected in the past. So we still stand on double nothing but now we have some better nothing to choose. All rounds were just a game to come to this, now we must carefuly make decisions and form a big selling prices for our belongings...after all we must continue to work in a direction of bringing things back on their right basics

Why hasn't Belgrade demanded the return of the 200,000+ ethnicly cleansed by the KLA as a pre-condition to any further talks? Germany even lets Croatia in for their paltry efforts.

Thaci took his bat and ball home, because Serbia will not play his game... Haha all Serbs have to do is be stubborn protect our interests and people in the Serbian province of Kosovo, and sit back and watch you kill each other for EU scraps, drug money and prostitution money...

Some call it blackmail some call it a solution.

In the end Serbia will have a choice. They can either begin to move forward like every country in the region that is surpassing them or continue to be the black hole of the Balkans where life is so bad that you have a negative birth rate and population decline as well as citizens fleeing to the West for a better life. Or you can remain drunk on Alcohol(Highest alcoholism in Europe and children between 11 and 13 drink twice as much as their peers in Europe) and continue to see your country crumble from within socially, economically and spiritually.

Regarding Kosova, they will be ok. Kosovars are the best friends the West especially the USA can have. USA will not abandon a friend like that. USA isn't Russia where they only give words and nothing else. USA provided cruise missile strikes!! haha

(pss, 17 April 2013 15:05)

True, Serbia is in an economic mess, but so is the EU with several of its members in the same shape.
Kosovo is 100% EU funded. The EU relief from this burden and wants Belgrade to recognise Kosovo and then allow the Albanians from Kosovo to look for work in Serbia – The EU will not permit the Kosovo Albanians to move around the EU looking for work and that is a fact. Now if that is going to happen then joining with Serbia is of little consequence.
My God man, the west is barely swimming with its head barely above water and you talk about aid as if this is 1970. Western aid is more bravado and BS than actual fact. The west can barely look a fter itself let alone throw around borrowed money.
“.....100% of the funds, in Serbia it would get the crumbs left over after Serbia siphoned off a huge part. So either way the funding is going to come from EU/US...”.

Don’t you get it? Kosovo is getting 100% of nothing. It’s the ruling elite not the people that get the money in Kosovo. The EU did not bail out Cyprus because the cash has run out – remember that Cyprus is a member of the EU and it’s not Russia’s job to bail it out. Next in crises is Slovenia – think about it.
“Just plain and simple what advantage is there for Kosovo to return to Serbia”

AS I said the plan is to allow Albanians to work in Serbia so if that is correct then your no worse off if you join with Serbia. Kosovo is unsustainable on its own.

Thaci didn't leave the meeting, he, like the Serbs, are there to reach and agreement, that is their assignment. Why else would they be back in Brussels, when things were so gloomy last week. This is all diplomatic theater, and the actors must play their parts. An agreement will be reached. The West has had enough of this nonsense. Besides, the BG government is slowly moving its attention towards Vojvodina, and a new stage is being set up.

@edi: Dear Edi, I am glad to read you here. I disagree with most of what you said, but it doesn't matter. I take this opportunity to wish you a nice and productive life. Enjoy the day.

It's not simply true..This is another attempt by Serbian Government to brain wash its people..According to REL in English Language it was actually Serbian Delegation who asked for 15 min pause…se they consult with each other

Thaci took his bat and ball home, because Serbia will not play his game... Haha all Serbs have to do is be stubborn protect our interests and people in the Serbian province of Kosovo, and sit back and watch you kill each other for EU scraps, drug money and prostitution money...
(Andrijevica UK, 17 April 2013 16:32)

I assume , Beta and Tanjug are your father and mother, and whatever they say, is "TRUE"!
YOU SHOULD WAIT, TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.

(Captain America, 17 April 2013 15:38)
Watch and learn lad. No agreement and no signatures unless the EU capitulates. On the cruse missiles part, what happen in North Korea? I hope the Chinese leadership washed their backsides before John Kerry came and kissed them on both cheeks to help them out.
The United States . The world’s most powerful windbag. When it came to show everyone it power with North Korea it just soiled its nappy and ran to Bejing.

Noel Malcolm will tech u a lot! and after u learn about true Kosovo history than the case will be seen diffidently from you Serbs! Thx (just trying to en-light you)
(edi, 17 April 2013 16:27)

Edi, in my opinion Noel Malcolm should not be described as a historian he is more a cheerleader for the Albanian re-write of history. If while reading Malcolm's book you care to check his sources you will discover a serious lack of Serbian sources - incredible when you consider Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian civilisation. His sources come from Albania and Croatia - go figure - did he even visited Belgrade in the preparation for his book? He also thanks Albanian acedamics for their help in writing the book, who he seems to be on personal terms with.

Not satisfied with Serb bashing in Kosovo he has written a book about Bosnia, I haven't bothered to read this as I can guess at its perspective. I daresay he will not write a book on Serbia.
(miles, 17 April 2013 17:16)

miles,

Noel Malcolm is fluent in Serbo-Croatian as well as several other languages. He, in fact, did read original sources of Serb historians. Remember, original Serb sources exist at many major libraries throughout the world. Your opinion hardly matters, Harvard University thought Malcolm was qualified as an historian since he spent a year teaching there. I suggest you read his work on the history of Kosovo, you may actually learn something.

Kosovo has already been told it won't be held back if Serbia refuses to sign, so Serbia can either get on board this train or watch Kosovo pull ahead of it while Serbia spends the next two years waiting by the side of the track for the next one. All Thaci has to say is, "Ok, all documents will be printed in Arial rather than Times Roman" and everybody can cheer that he's made a concession, the Serbs win, and the party can begin.

it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments again, I'm not sure why, there's derogatory in them. here's my second attempt:

"AS I said the plan is to allow Albanians to work in Serbia..."

Allow them to work in Serbia? how would that work? as Kosovar citizens or Serbian citizens? This doesn't even tackle the real question of who on earth goes to Serbia to look for work? the average wage is around 350EURO's...same as in Kosova! then there is the Serbian economic crisis and unemployment crisis. what possible thing are you going to write next? The French enetring Serbia's labour force on masse? you are good for a chuckle :-)

Vlora Citaku said in Tweeter that Serbia is going to say NO again!
Hajredin Kuci says Kosovo side is for Yes on Ashton draft agreement.

"Why hasn't Belgrade demanded the return of the 200,000+ ethnicly cleansed by the KLA as a pre-condition to any further talks?"



Thats bcs they are living in sweet Vojvodina now and starting to cause problems there .

sj,
you say,
"How is Kosovo going to pull ahead of Serbia when it has nothing? Is this a Kosovo on Mars?
Please go to spin school and then try to post something that makes sense."
How come you have never answered my question of How is Serbia going to financially survive with Kosovo as part of it? Serbia is circling the drain and financially in far worse shape than EU or US.Kosovo whether in Serbia or alone is going to require a lot of aid from the west. The difference independently it will get 100% of the funds, in Serbia it would get the crumbs left over after Serbia siphoned off a huge part. So either way the funding is going to come from EU/US, now you with all the answers tell us a reason Kosovo should about face and return to Serbia.
We know you do not need to go to spin school as you already have a masters in it.
Try, though I know you will not be able to, to answer the question without clouding the answer with unemployment in the US or the next EU country ready to go under or Afghanistan etc,etc,etc. Just plain and simple what advantage is there for Kosovo to return to Serbia??

Albanian Hypocrisy !.

If the Albanians gave the 4 Serbian Principalities Full Independence,
this the Problem of Kosovo would be instantly Solved.

Why must The Kosovo Albanians want to Rule over Serbians.

This Albanian stanse will create another War.

Bad by Kosovoalbanians.

Arn.Sweden.

I assume , Beta and Tanjug are your father and mother, and whatever they say, is "TRUE"!
YOU SHOULD WAIT, TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.
(Ardi Asllani, 17 April 2013 17:47)

I dont have to wait even when i die, i will make sure my children and there children and there childrens children never give in after all we did that for 500 years while some sold there soul, culture and identity... BITE!!!

Someone is saying about Hoxha books! I don't know if that meant Enver Hoxha? or Hoxha religious muslim leader! If it mean Enver Hoxha than i must say to u that i have nothing to do with books from hoxha but books from oxford! If it mean hoxha religious leader than i must admit that i am not even Muslim! Let me suggest to you Serbs something! The history that you know about Kosovo is wrong. Even Albanians do have some untrue facts about Kosovo but Serbian version is worse than the toilet paper! One thing is very sure and clear! Kosovo was never the heart of Serbia and the first battle of Kosovo was not a battle that the myth portray! Clearly not as important as the battle of Marica! And sulltan was not even kill by some one that u see to day as hero! The point that i am trying to make is clear! Stop using u miss facts when u comment but go and search the Western historian books about Kosovo history! Noel Malcolm will tech u a lot! and after u learn about true Kosovo history than the case will be seen diffidently from you Serbs! Thx (just trying to en-light you)

The EU finally realised that serbia is right, now that we finally have the upper hand and that we got our dignity back, mr. thaci is very unhappy, i hope he does not hurt himself now, even the US is probably not answering his phone calls, he can cry forever, and, if no agreement is reached, OBVIOUSLY, it's prishtina's falt, therefore, like puppets, they will sign it, then go come up with a lie to make it seem they won the (non-existent) battle! I know you albanians won't agree with me but PLEASE do not rate my comment, ONLY SERBS RATE MY COMMENT, tell me if you agree :), my proof is that vucic went there, along with suzana and i know he wouldn't go if there is no fair offer!

my proof is that vucic went there, along with suzana and i know he wouldn't go if there is no fair offer!
(Bojan, 17 April 2013 18:48)

You are in for rude awakening. Having a field day with lies how talks are going on today.

Yess SERBIA wont sign, finally Thaci can crawl back to the stone he came from. Vucic is intelligent and he knows that if we say no to this one too we will get an even better one. Wait and see, they will beg us to "negotiate"again. Finally our politicans outsmarted EU and Mr.Snake. Good one Vucic!!

Thaci needs to understand that,KOSOVO has no power to negotiate.The negotiations are between Serbia,EU,USA.

You are in for a rude awakening. Having a field day with lies how talks are going on today.
(Ardi Asllani, 17 April 2013 19:22)
Ardi I bet you and your Albanian pals will cry at the end of the day. Europe knows who is worth the effort, and who is just a USA toy.

Despite the great support of the EU and the United States Albanian side was defeated. We can see it on their faces. Look at the pictures.

By saying “no” to the first offer Serbia showed self respect, and that is a quality which Pristina does not posses.

"We must never be afraid to go too far, for truth lies beyond" Proust.

Breaking News.... Serbia said No, So the new offer was made up by Serbian media. Vlora Citaku just tweeted the news.

Krevazi baku! I don't like to play cat and mouse in this type of sarcastic Balkan mentality that u using! Let me en light you just one time! the monastery's in Kosovo are not the monastery's that did create serbia in-contrarily they are monasteries done during Serbian era for the perpuse of expansion as a kingdom! The monasteries are financed from the Serbian kingdom but they were the work of mainly Greek artists (allso others) witch did escape from Constantinople and did found refuge in Serbian kingdom!There the left their art and their skills to build those wonderful monasteries which did not have a Serbian role but a role for all people including Albanians or Thracian or Greeks! The Gracanica monastery was the culmination of such byzantine art and to say that it was just Serbian is worse than saying that the chicken come before the egg! Even worse creating puzzles that are not for intelligent people but for naive and especially primitive Balkan nationalist people which are served with such big lies for such a long time! The answer to your dirty question is simple! That monastery is the work of art and not nationalistic therefore it is not a Serb or Albanian is religion art and cant be used to define borders! thx

I think they consume a lot of redbulls.

By saying “no” to the first offer Serbia showed self respect, and that is a quality which Pristina does not posses.
(Christine X., 17 April 2013 22:33)

Christine X,

Serbia lost all self respect twenty years ago when it went on a rampage of murder and rape of women, children, the elderly and the sick. Serbia will have to wait several generations to regain any respect from civilized nations.

@pss: The advantage of Kosovo being part of Serbia is that we would live together with our Albanian Brothers. This would be a big plus in my book.

Previously, there was speculation that Serbia had received a more favorable offer.


Pure speculation by Serb media. What else is new?

"AS I said the plan is to allow Albanians to work in Serbia..."

you have been writting this for a while, but have never provided any evidence for it, though i have challenged you on numerous occassions. out of curiosity, who goes to Serbia to look for employment when Serbs themselves can't find jobs there? which book are you reading now? Narnia Economics?

@edi: Dear Edi, thank you for your effort to provide accurate information. In your opinion, who built Monastery Gracanica and when?

Why must The Kosovo Albanians want to Rule over Serbians.

This Albanian stanse will create another War.

Bad by Kosovoalbanians.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 17 April 2013 18:21)

In the north there are 40 to 60K Serbs Majority of Serbs do live under Majority rule which happens to Be Albanians in Kosovo.

All this today has been theatrical play by both sides, now they both come home victorious I wish they scream Nike and both drop like the runner after race at Marathon. By Friday Serbs in this forum will be happy and Albanins as well and keep saying profanities at each other.

I read pice in Serbian version of how hard its to live with with 90,000 Dinnars a month same faces Albanins in Kosovo but fat cats will keep getting fatter.

poor lady ashton facing stubborn people on both sides of the table, both albanians and serbs i think are totally stuborn and frankly stupid, obviously you will all vote my comment down as you are all serbs/albanians. Either way it's really true, because, kosovo is not welling to accept serbia's proposal's nor is serbia willing to accept kosovo's proposals, every side is walking his separate way.. grow up both seriously!

Noel Malcolm will tech u a lot! and after u learn about true Kosovo history than the case will be seen diffidently from you Serbs! Thx (just trying to en-light you)
(edi, 17 April 2013 16:27)

Edi, in my opinion Noel Malcolm should not be described as a historian he is more a cheerleader for the Albanian re-write of history. If while reading Malcolm's book you care to check his sources you will discover a serious lack of Serbian sources - incredible when you consider Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian civilisation. His sources come from Albania and Croatia - go figure - did he even visited Belgrade in the preparation for his book? He also thanks Albanian acedamics for their help in writing the book, who he seems to be on personal terms with.

Not satisfied with Serb bashing in Kosovo he has written a book about Bosnia, I haven't bothered to read this as I can guess at its perspective. I daresay he will not write a book on Serbia.

take a good look at the photo, dacic is obviously happy ! look at thaci, clearly unhappy, vucic seems satisfied , suzana has a huge smile on her face. The albanian team has his eyes on the floor, interpret it the way you want, we are only minutes away from figuring out how things have went on :)

Another break=pause, and the talks will continue at 10pm, and ths is the last shot for Serbia. Snake aka Thaci did not budge, and Serb team is feeling the pain once again.Time will tell, when I wake up tomorrow how it all ended it.
Nite, nite ladies and gents.

--"Vlora Citaku said in Tweeter that Serbia is going to say NO again!
Hajredin Kuci says Kosovo side is for Yes on Ashton draft agreement.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 April 2013 20:24)"--

Yes, indeed. Serbian negotiators will sign Ashton's draft agreement just in case of fulfillment of all requirements.

I have just heard that Hasim Taci, if agreement is not reached, plans fully integration of Kosovo into Serbia. This would allow Kosovo to get more funds, and it would propel him personally into very strong position to become Prime Minister of Serbia. Dacic is panicking.

(Nikolle, 17 April 2013 19:41)

Now wash your ears out and listen carefully. I’m getting so tired spelling it out for people like you. In any business there are facts circulating that are not common knowledge in public regardless whether you work for GM or in a hospital or a dentist or a supermarket or a stockbroker.

The EU is NOT GOING TO ALLOW ALBANIANS from Kosovo to move around the EU looking for work because they already have too many people doing that in a very tight labour market. Is it sinking in now?

Of all the Balkan states Serbia has the greatest potential to rise from the ashes. It has every resource needed to do so. Kosovo has nothing that would sustain a population of 2 million – these are facts not Narnia economics, but if you see Kosovo doing better than Serbia please outline for me as I am interested to read real economics.

Krevazi baki! I am not from Kosovo! Therefore i cant say how life is there but i know is like most of Balkan Countries! Poor quality and weak mentality! I live in oxford ! And yes i am Albanian national but not Muslim like most of Serbs try to portray us and not naive or single minded like most Serbs or Balkan people are! Very well informed on the Balkan history and trust me i know what is a lie or what is not! Let me get short on this one! On the Serbian Kosovo issue Serbia is an has been always wrong! Anyhow Serbia has been so wrong for so long that they now should not even have the right to speak! the should learn from Germany and just say sorry and recognized Kosovo straight away! And that i will call progress! I don't speak the language of puzzle like u do! But i speak the realistic point of view! And after Serbia does that they should start a program of clearing up the historical manipulation that the Serb population has been feed for so long! Also compensation for their actions is needed! And trust me Serbia cant play dirty anymore! never ever! To Albanians in Kosovo i say this! This negotiation are not needed! Serbia has not evolved yet! and they cant go on Europe on your expense!I think that u should stay strong and focus on economy and when u do that will lead to become part of us! Mean Albania! and than u will go in Europe will us! Cause you are us! Despite that u are portray as Muslim u still are us! and we have the right to be one!Serbs have not evolved yet!

"If while reading Malcolm's book you care to check his sources you will discover a serious lack of Serbian sources - ..."

On the other hand, no one has ever disproved - as opposed to complained about - anything that he wrote.

In these days of advanced communication systems available it's rather stupid that Kosovo's and Serbia's negotiators must drag their bottoms to Brussels to say "no thank you". Particularly I find it harming the Serbian side. I wonder on which premises Serbs decided to get on plane to Brussels? That they will be offered something better than last time? Did they ask at all "what would it then be, and what's Kosovo's attitude on it?" If you tramp over and over again somewhere to give your no thank yous you simply look foolish, weaken your position and ridicule the whole process. All major questions, the toughest matters can be settled or left unsettled before negotiation teams travel anywhere, or just stay home.

Another issue now. This is what Noel Malcolm says about Kosovo: "Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until some time after 1918. Then, finally, it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslav one. And with one big interruption (the second world war) it remained part of some sort of Yugoslav state until June 2006."

I do contest that quite intentionally misleading view. Malcolm should know that Kosovo was incorporated to Kingdom of Serbia in 1913, and that also post WW2 Yugoslav constitution says Kosovo is part of Serbia. Well, more about that later, if needed.

Hahaha... Thaci must have read my previous post about him not having any documents in front of him. In this updated photo I can see one sheet of paper and a BIC pen. Thaci's PR department must have displayed those items for him so that he would look somewhat intelligent in this photo opportunity.

Guess what? It didn't work, as he is still sporting a goofy look on his face. It kind of looks as though he has stumbled upon a math equation and for the life of him he will never be able to figure it out.

Update 24:30, No agreement, Kosovo said YES, Serbia refused. We will see what happens tomorrow.

sj

oh no no, i am aware of your belief that Serbia is the Germnay of the Balkans, or iof not that, of all former ex Yugosalv entities. however, how would those K. Albanians wrok in Serbia? which documentation would they have to use? Serbian passports? Serbian social security numbers? serbian national insurance numbers? or would they work with Kosovar documentations? you really haven't thought this through have you? please, stick to doing what it is you do best, which I'm not really sure what it is. oh yes, fictional economics! thats the thing.

Vlora Citaku said in Tweeter that Serbia is going to say NO again!
Hajredin Kuci says Kosovo side is for Yes on Ashton draft agreement.

Well she is not an official source + she already tweeted before that it seems serbia will accept the agreement this time, and if you look at the article it had just been updated, and now they are taking a break, either way i really hope and agreement is reach for the sake of both sides!

I wonder when are they scheduled to sit and come to a conclusion on reparations for Kosovo ?

@edi: Dear Edi, thank you for your response. I really appreciate your effort. It seems that the agreement is near and I hope that this pleases you. Tell me something about you; Do you live in Kosovo?; how is your life? etc?

I wish you all the best.

@edi: Dear Edi, you are effectively telling me that you have never lived (even visited) Kosovo at any time, but, anyway, you are going to tell me how it was to live there in 1945-1980 period. It is like me explaining to you how it is to live in Oxford.

Thaci needs to understand that,KOSOVO has no power to negotiate.The negotiations are between Serbia,EU,USA.
(George, 17 April 2013 21:24)

George, you are so right. Everyone understands this in the whole world except the Albanians.
Serbia has ALL to gain from this and they are doing just fine. Does anyone really believe that Kosovo will come in to the EU in 50 years, 100 years ?? First of all, every EU country must recognize Kosovo and this will not happen. Secondly, every country must confirm it. Third, there is at least 20-25 years of criminality and corruption to deal with for the EU police.

I believe the odds are quite bad.
What I also believe is bad is that the EU and also US are sticking carrots to the Albanians that they are in good hands and that Kosovo will eventually come in to the EU. I believe this is foul play and not fair to promise something that is impossible. I know that the US could not care less for the K Albanians. They want their base and that is fine with me. But its not fine to fool.

According to breaking news in Brussels tonight there was some improvements in Serbian and K Albanian dialogue . It continues in coming days.

sj,
After all the words and a thousand directions the answer is there is no way Serbia could financially survive having Kosovo to return, right? And Kosovo would be worse off in Serbia than alone even if abandoned by everyone.

Staff, 17 April 2013 23:58)
Got news for you, all your Serb brethren fully agree with you, the rest of the world--not!

Krevaza baki! i doesn't matter what i do! But let me get to you question! Kosovo never existed before 1945 as a administration province! It was created than cause the hidden negotiation to give that part to Albania dint work due to the broken relations in 1949-1950! Therefore it become a province not cause Slavic people wanted that but cause the policy of anti nationalism was the base of Yugoslav communist system! to say that Kosovo did progress during Tito times is a weak analyses! Tito had a plan to send Albanians in turkey and a pact was done despite the fact that was not implemented fully! But this hidden agenda did continue with Albanians going in the west and not returning! In the begging the communists helped especially from Enver Hoxha did kill all the Kosovo Albanian elite! So when u kill the elite there is not much emancipation to bee archived! But in 1974 a sort of light did come to accept autonomy despite the fact that was a sort of controlled autonomy cause the province should have had the republic status due to high population! But yes during tito era the regime was not as harsh as Milosevic era! But my opinion is different to this! And that is that Yugoslavia collapsed because tito did give a form of fakeisem to Yugoslavia and not realism! So i cant call fake era a progressiveness era ! sorry to disappointing you but that is a intelligent analyses! Therefore the answer to your question is: not it was not!thx

Krezavi Baki

Not one of those things happened under Serbia, all under Yugoslavia. i know that some here confuse the two, but there is a big difference. want an example? Slovenes and Croats both opposed the removal of Kosova's autonomy, Sloba called them both traitors. Now, look at Kosova when it was under direct serbian control 1989-1999, no economy, no development, poor human rights records. Yugoslavia is dead and i for one have no nostalgia for it

Krevazi baku it seems to me that now u are talking nonsense! I never said i did live in Kosovo! and i am not from kosovo! But i did respond to you question! NOw let me say to u which time was the mos progressiveness time! The present time! ok! Apart from that was from was in 19 century during prizren leage! ok! therefore dont come and try to say things which for sure i know quiet well! That time was peaceful in surface but inside was different! anyway pointless to go to more details!

@Ardi Asllani: Ardi, please do not go. I like to read you.

:-) we have been over that before sj. i see no reason to repeat myself here. but its you who 'educates' us on what is really being discussed. so tell me, what documents will those K. Albanians seeking work in Serbia be presenting to potential employers? go ahead, i'm at your mercy.

(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 10:34)
.. so tell me, what documents will those K. Albanians seeking work in Serbia be presenting to potential employers? go ahead, i'm at your mercy”
The purpose of these talks was to accept Kosovo as independent and once that is done Pristina can issue their papers which Belgrade would have to honour as valid.

oh dear, you want me to repeat myself again and again? why? i refer you to the following threads:

[http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=82049]
[http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=82580]

now, what documentation would i need to bring with me, if I was to look for a job in that economic paradise of Serbia ? My Kosova passport? would I need a Visa? a work permit :-) ?

@edi: Dear Edi, based on your response I am confident that you have never lived in Kosovo in period 1945-1980. To say that this was the best time for Albanians in their history is understatement. They prospered as never before and never since. I know that as I lived it and anybody who says any differently has not got a clue what he is talking about. During that time everything the first happen (university, education, sport, first Albanian woman to graduate, to do PhD etc.; all parameters of society were hugely improved). I am telling you this just because it is the truth and it seems that there is in you enough honesty to be able to think about it.

Read those two other threads where we discussed the same thing. There's no need to repeat myself, read what I put on those two links

@edi: Dear Edi, thank you for your response. I hope that you enjoy Oxford. You can tell me about your life there. Are you a Professor, a student or nothing to do with the University? Regarding Kosovo, would you agree with me that a period 1945-1980 (when Kosovo was part of RS and SFRJ) was a period of fastest cultural and economical development in the history of Kosovo Albanians?

(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 01:24)

From your postings there seems to be a lot of things you are not aware in life. However let’s put that aside and I ask that you tell me how will Kosovo survive on its own “two feet”?
I am interested to hear your version of how Kosovo is going to thrive?

:-) we have been over that before sj. i see no reason to repeat myself here. but its you who 'educates' us on what is really being discussed. so tell me, what documents will those K. Albanians seeking work in Serbia be presenting to potential employers? go ahead, i'm at your mercy.
(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 10:34)

Just for my edification please tell me how it is going to work?

(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 13:43)

Now I’ll ask the question once more. Please tell me how is Kosovo going to function as a state, where is the income stream coming from? Do you think there will be any industry and what kind?
I don’t need you to post my statements as I have not waivered for one moment in what I have said.
I await your version of a future Kosovo.

Read those two other threads where we discussed the same thing. There's no need to repeat myself, read what I put on those two links
(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 16:14)

As I have shown many times before when asked to show how Kosovo will survive, NOT ONE Albanian is able to explain it rationally. Earlier you said that Kosovo will never be Dubai, but it can survive; if that is the case then why are all your young people leaving paradise? Why is the Serbian police constantly returning your youth from the rest of Serbia? Why are your youth trying to pass themselves off as Serbs when looking for work in Kragujevac????? Imagine working with people that killed theirs????

You have been writing this for a while sj, yet you've never shown any evidence for it. What sane rational person goes to work in Serbia for an average wage of 350 EUROs? That's the same as in Kosova. So, please do show me where it is that you've read about this stream of Albanians heading of to Serbia to work. I certainly have NEVER read anything of the like. Quote me a source sj so I can educate myself.

P.s. we've been through the other stuff before, no point to repeat myself.

@Nikolle: Albanians are the best (strongest, most hardworking) manual workers I had opportunity to work with. In old days they would come every morning around Vuk Karadzic in Belgrade monument to get a day work (Vukovci). The pay was very good and a lot of them made nice living for their families. I look foward for them coming back.

Serbia cant be trusted because they have no vision apart from past era! Those talk are pointless unless some miracle happen on Serbia and Serbs. To evolve!And if they will evolve than they will realize that everything that has been told to them about Kosovo, are the biggest lies that a nation has been feed for as long as 150 years! from the myth of battle of Kosovo, to the myth of Kosovo being Serbia heart or foundation! From the wars of Milosevic to the Tito era! Negotiation can be successful only if Serbia does change all its history and replace that with true documented historical facts! That will help the Serbs and Serbia to evolve, and that will also make them have a clear vision! therefore the question to evolve or not to evolve is a question of real future for Serbia and Serbs!Thx

Kosovo has already been told it won't be held back if Serbia refuses to sign, so Serbia can either get on board this train or watch Kosovo pull ahead of it while Serbia spends the next two years waiting by the side of the track for the next one. All Thaci has to say is, "Ok, all documents will be printed in Arial rather than Times Roman" and everybody can cheer that he's made a concession, the Serbs win, and the party can begin.

Yess SERBIA wont sign, finally Thaci can crawl back to the stone he came from. Vucic is intelligent and he knows that if we say no to this one too we will get an even better one. Wait and see, they will beg us to "negotiate"again. Finally our politicans outsmarted EU and Mr.Snake. Good one Vucic!!

So, there is a next round of negotiations. Mr. Vucic was right. Nobody has the right to blackmail Serbia.

Some call it blackmail some call it a solution.

In the end Serbia will have a choice. They can either begin to move forward like every country in the region that is surpassing them or continue to be the black hole of the Balkans where life is so bad that you have a negative birth rate and population decline as well as citizens fleeing to the West for a better life. Or you can remain drunk on Alcohol(Highest alcoholism in Europe and children between 11 and 13 drink twice as much as their peers in Europe) and continue to see your country crumble from within socially, economically and spiritually.

Regarding Kosova, they will be ok. Kosovars are the best friends the West especially the USA can have. USA will not abandon a friend like that. USA isn't Russia where they only give words and nothing else. USA provided cruise missile strikes!! haha

@pss: The advantage of Kosovo being part of Serbia is that we would live together with our Albanian Brothers. This would be a big plus in my book.

The EU finally realised that serbia is right, now that we finally have the upper hand and that we got our dignity back, mr. thaci is very unhappy, i hope he does not hurt himself now, even the US is probably not answering his phone calls, he can cry forever, and, if no agreement is reached, OBVIOUSLY, it's prishtina's falt, therefore, like puppets, they will sign it, then go come up with a lie to make it seem they won the (non-existent) battle! I know you albanians won't agree with me but PLEASE do not rate my comment, ONLY SERBS RATE MY COMMENT, tell me if you agree :), my proof is that vucic went there, along with suzana and i know he wouldn't go if there is no fair offer!

Thaci took his bat and ball home, because Serbia will not play his game... Haha all Serbs have to do is be stubborn protect our interests and people in the Serbian province of Kosovo, and sit back and watch you kill each other for EU scraps, drug money and prostitution money...

I assume , Beta and Tanjug are your father and mother, and whatever they say, is "TRUE"!
YOU SHOULD WAIT, TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.
(Ardi Asllani, 17 April 2013 17:47)

I dont have to wait even when i die, i will make sure my children and there children and there childrens children never give in after all we did that for 500 years while some sold there soul, culture and identity... BITE!!!

edi,

you wrote: "Negotiation can be successful only if Serbia does change all its history and replace that with true documented historical facts!"

Please, can you give those documented facts here?

Someone is saying about Hoxha books! I don't know if that meant Enver Hoxha? or Hoxha religious muslim leader! If it mean Enver Hoxha than i must say to u that i have nothing to do with books from hoxha but books from oxford! If it mean hoxha religious leader than i must admit that i am not even Muslim! Let me suggest to you Serbs something! The history that you know about Kosovo is wrong. Even Albanians do have some untrue facts about Kosovo but Serbian version is worse than the toilet paper! One thing is very sure and clear! Kosovo was never the heart of Serbia and the first battle of Kosovo was not a battle that the myth portray! Clearly not as important as the battle of Marica! And sulltan was not even kill by some one that u see to day as hero! The point that i am trying to make is clear! Stop using u miss facts when u comment but go and search the Western historian books about Kosovo history! Noel Malcolm will tech u a lot! and after u learn about true Kosovo history than the case will be seen diffidently from you Serbs! Thx (just trying to en-light you)

Albanian Hypocrisy !.

If the Albanians gave the 4 Serbian Principalities Full Independence,
this the Problem of Kosovo would be instantly Solved.

Why must The Kosovo Albanians want to Rule over Serbians.

This Albanian stanse will create another War.

Bad by Kosovoalbanians.

Arn.Sweden.

Edi- you should throw out those hoxha schoolbooks.

Amer,
it has already been 5 years since the declaration. So what exactly has been holding the Kosovo Albanians back?

Kosovo is a mirrior image of Albania and there is only doom and gloom ahead.

Why hasn't Belgrade demanded the return of the 200,000+ ethnicly cleansed by the KLA as a pre-condition to any further talks? Germany even lets Croatia in for their paltry efforts.

sj,
you say,
"How is Kosovo going to pull ahead of Serbia when it has nothing? Is this a Kosovo on Mars?
Please go to spin school and then try to post something that makes sense."
How come you have never answered my question of How is Serbia going to financially survive with Kosovo as part of it? Serbia is circling the drain and financially in far worse shape than EU or US.Kosovo whether in Serbia or alone is going to require a lot of aid from the west. The difference independently it will get 100% of the funds, in Serbia it would get the crumbs left over after Serbia siphoned off a huge part. So either way the funding is going to come from EU/US, now you with all the answers tell us a reason Kosovo should about face and return to Serbia.
We know you do not need to go to spin school as you already have a masters in it.
Try, though I know you will not be able to, to answer the question without clouding the answer with unemployment in the US or the next EU country ready to go under or Afghanistan etc,etc,etc. Just plain and simple what advantage is there for Kosovo to return to Serbia??

(pss, 17 April 2013 15:05)

True, Serbia is in an economic mess, but so is the EU with several of its members in the same shape.
Kosovo is 100% EU funded. The EU relief from this burden and wants Belgrade to recognise Kosovo and then allow the Albanians from Kosovo to look for work in Serbia – The EU will not permit the Kosovo Albanians to move around the EU looking for work and that is a fact. Now if that is going to happen then joining with Serbia is of little consequence.
My God man, the west is barely swimming with its head barely above water and you talk about aid as if this is 1970. Western aid is more bravado and BS than actual fact. The west can barely look a fter itself let alone throw around borrowed money.
“.....100% of the funds, in Serbia it would get the crumbs left over after Serbia siphoned off a huge part. So either way the funding is going to come from EU/US...”.

Don’t you get it? Kosovo is getting 100% of nothing. It’s the ruling elite not the people that get the money in Kosovo. The EU did not bail out Cyprus because the cash has run out – remember that Cyprus is a member of the EU and it’s not Russia’s job to bail it out. Next in crises is Slovenia – think about it.
“Just plain and simple what advantage is there for Kosovo to return to Serbia”

AS I said the plan is to allow Albanians to work in Serbia so if that is correct then your no worse off if you join with Serbia. Kosovo is unsustainable on its own.

By saying “no” to the first offer Serbia showed self respect, and that is a quality which Pristina does not posses.

Thaci needs to understand that,KOSOVO has no power to negotiate.The negotiations are between Serbia,EU,USA.
(George, 17 April 2013 21:24)

George, you are so right. Everyone understands this in the whole world except the Albanians.
Serbia has ALL to gain from this and they are doing just fine. Does anyone really believe that Kosovo will come in to the EU in 50 years, 100 years ?? First of all, every EU country must recognize Kosovo and this will not happen. Secondly, every country must confirm it. Third, there is at least 20-25 years of criminality and corruption to deal with for the EU police.

I believe the odds are quite bad.
What I also believe is bad is that the EU and also US are sticking carrots to the Albanians that they are in good hands and that Kosovo will eventually come in to the EU. I believe this is foul play and not fair to promise something that is impossible. I know that the US could not care less for the K Albanians. They want their base and that is fine with me. But its not fine to fool.

(Amer, 17 April 2013 11:5

Kosovo has not moved one micro metre in the last 14 years and all of a sudden “it will not be held back if Serbia does not sign”. Who are you trying to kid? They are not talking to Belgrade because they are nice people, but simply because they have to.
How is Kosovo going to pull ahead of Serbia when it has nothing? Is this a Kosovo on Mars?
Please go to spin school and then try to post something that makes sense. The EU has its arse hanging out of its pants and Kosovo is going to perform an economic miracle.

@edi: Dear Edi, I am glad to read you here. I disagree with most of what you said, but it doesn't matter. I take this opportunity to wish you a nice and productive life. Enjoy the day.

Thaci took his bat and ball home, because Serbia will not play his game... Haha all Serbs have to do is be stubborn protect our interests and people in the Serbian province of Kosovo, and sit back and watch you kill each other for EU scraps, drug money and prostitution money...
(Andrijevica UK, 17 April 2013 16:32)

I assume , Beta and Tanjug are your father and mother, and whatever they say, is "TRUE"!
YOU SHOULD WAIT, TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.

it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments again, I'm not sure why, there's derogatory in them. here's my second attempt:

"AS I said the plan is to allow Albanians to work in Serbia..."

Allow them to work in Serbia? how would that work? as Kosovar citizens or Serbian citizens? This doesn't even tackle the real question of who on earth goes to Serbia to look for work? the average wage is around 350EURO's...same as in Kosova! then there is the Serbian economic crisis and unemployment crisis. what possible thing are you going to write next? The French enetring Serbia's labour force on masse? you are good for a chuckle :-)

Were it not for Vucic attending the meeting I would have been very worried.

Things are as they suppose to be not as Ashton and Taci hoped to. Or not? Tactics were to blackmail Serbia with EU future and make enormous pressure on Serbian side to fall down and sell all for nothing. Fortunately our negotiators didn fell on that, so we continue diferent way. What I am afraid of, is that last round was only decoy for this round. In last round they gave us nothing to choose. That way they have formed position for this round in which they will offer their final solution and that is Ahtisari plan that we rejected in the past. So we still stand on double nothing but now we have some better nothing to choose. All rounds were just a game to come to this, now we must carefuly make decisions and form a big selling prices for our belongings...after all we must continue to work in a direction of bringing things back on their right basics

Noel Malcolm will tech u a lot! and after u learn about true Kosovo history than the case will be seen diffidently from you Serbs! Thx (just trying to en-light you)
(edi, 17 April 2013 16:27)

Edi, in my opinion Noel Malcolm should not be described as a historian he is more a cheerleader for the Albanian re-write of history. If while reading Malcolm's book you care to check his sources you will discover a serious lack of Serbian sources - incredible when you consider Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian civilisation. His sources come from Albania and Croatia - go figure - did he even visited Belgrade in the preparation for his book? He also thanks Albanian acedamics for their help in writing the book, who he seems to be on personal terms with.

Not satisfied with Serb bashing in Kosovo he has written a book about Bosnia, I haven't bothered to read this as I can guess at its perspective. I daresay he will not write a book on Serbia.
(miles, 17 April 2013 17:16)

miles,

Noel Malcolm is fluent in Serbo-Croatian as well as several other languages. He, in fact, did read original sources of Serb historians. Remember, original Serb sources exist at many major libraries throughout the world. Your opinion hardly matters, Harvard University thought Malcolm was qualified as an historian since he spent a year teaching there. I suggest you read his work on the history of Kosovo, you may actually learn something.

Despite the great support of the EU and the United States Albanian side was defeated. We can see it on their faces. Look at the pictures.

"Why hasn't Belgrade demanded the return of the 200,000+ ethnicly cleansed by the KLA as a pre-condition to any further talks?"



Thats bcs they are living in sweet Vojvodina now and starting to cause problems there .

It's not simply true..This is another attempt by Serbian Government to brain wash its people..According to REL in English Language it was actually Serbian Delegation who asked for 15 min pause…se they consult with each other

(Captain America, 17 April 2013 15:38)
Watch and learn lad. No agreement and no signatures unless the EU capitulates. On the cruse missiles part, what happen in North Korea? I hope the Chinese leadership washed their backsides before John Kerry came and kissed them on both cheeks to help them out.
The United States . The world’s most powerful windbag. When it came to show everyone it power with North Korea it just soiled its nappy and ran to Bejing.

my proof is that vucic went there, along with suzana and i know he wouldn't go if there is no fair offer!
(Bojan, 17 April 2013 18:48)

You are in for rude awakening. Having a field day with lies how talks are going on today.

Thaci needs to understand that,KOSOVO has no power to negotiate.The negotiations are between Serbia,EU,USA.

You are in for a rude awakening. Having a field day with lies how talks are going on today.
(Ardi Asllani, 17 April 2013 19:22)
Ardi I bet you and your Albanian pals will cry at the end of the day. Europe knows who is worth the effort, and who is just a USA toy.

Noel Malcolm will tech u a lot! and after u learn about true Kosovo history than the case will be seen diffidently from you Serbs! Thx (just trying to en-light you)
(edi, 17 April 2013 16:27)

Edi, in my opinion Noel Malcolm should not be described as a historian he is more a cheerleader for the Albanian re-write of history. If while reading Malcolm's book you care to check his sources you will discover a serious lack of Serbian sources - incredible when you consider Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian civilisation. His sources come from Albania and Croatia - go figure - did he even visited Belgrade in the preparation for his book? He also thanks Albanian acedamics for their help in writing the book, who he seems to be on personal terms with.

Not satisfied with Serb bashing in Kosovo he has written a book about Bosnia, I haven't bothered to read this as I can guess at its perspective. I daresay he will not write a book on Serbia.

take a good look at the photo, dacic is obviously happy ! look at thaci, clearly unhappy, vucic seems satisfied , suzana has a huge smile on her face. The albanian team has his eyes on the floor, interpret it the way you want, we are only minutes away from figuring out how things have went on :)

Another break=pause, and the talks will continue at 10pm, and ths is the last shot for Serbia. Snake aka Thaci did not budge, and Serb team is feeling the pain once again.Time will tell, when I wake up tomorrow how it all ended it.
Nite, nite ladies and gents.

(Nikolle, 17 April 2013 19:41)

Now wash your ears out and listen carefully. I’m getting so tired spelling it out for people like you. In any business there are facts circulating that are not common knowledge in public regardless whether you work for GM or in a hospital or a dentist or a supermarket or a stockbroker.

The EU is NOT GOING TO ALLOW ALBANIANS from Kosovo to move around the EU looking for work because they already have too many people doing that in a very tight labour market. Is it sinking in now?

Of all the Balkan states Serbia has the greatest potential to rise from the ashes. It has every resource needed to do so. Kosovo has nothing that would sustain a population of 2 million – these are facts not Narnia economics, but if you see Kosovo doing better than Serbia please outline for me as I am interested to read real economics.

Previously, there was speculation that Serbia had received a more favorable offer.


Pure speculation by Serb media. What else is new?

"AS I said the plan is to allow Albanians to work in Serbia..."

you have been writting this for a while, but have never provided any evidence for it, though i have challenged you on numerous occassions. out of curiosity, who goes to Serbia to look for employment when Serbs themselves can't find jobs there? which book are you reading now? Narnia Economics?

Vlora Citaku said in Tweeter that Serbia is going to say NO again!
Hajredin Kuci says Kosovo side is for Yes on Ashton draft agreement.

In these days of advanced communication systems available it's rather stupid that Kosovo's and Serbia's negotiators must drag their bottoms to Brussels to say "no thank you". Particularly I find it harming the Serbian side. I wonder on which premises Serbs decided to get on plane to Brussels? That they will be offered something better than last time? Did they ask at all "what would it then be, and what's Kosovo's attitude on it?" If you tramp over and over again somewhere to give your no thank yous you simply look foolish, weaken your position and ridicule the whole process. All major questions, the toughest matters can be settled or left unsettled before negotiation teams travel anywhere, or just stay home.

Another issue now. This is what Noel Malcolm says about Kosovo: "Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until some time after 1918. Then, finally, it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslav one. And with one big interruption (the second world war) it remained part of some sort of Yugoslav state until June 2006."

I do contest that quite intentionally misleading view. Malcolm should know that Kosovo was incorporated to Kingdom of Serbia in 1913, and that also post WW2 Yugoslav constitution says Kosovo is part of Serbia. Well, more about that later, if needed.

Hahaha... Thaci must have read my previous post about him not having any documents in front of him. In this updated photo I can see one sheet of paper and a BIC pen. Thaci's PR department must have displayed those items for him so that he would look somewhat intelligent in this photo opportunity.

Guess what? It didn't work, as he is still sporting a goofy look on his face. It kind of looks as though he has stumbled upon a math equation and for the life of him he will never be able to figure it out.

@edi: Dear Edi, thank you for your effort to provide accurate information. In your opinion, who built Monastery Gracanica and when?

Breaking News.... Serbia said No, So the new offer was made up by Serbian media. Vlora Citaku just tweeted the news.

"If while reading Malcolm's book you care to check his sources you will discover a serious lack of Serbian sources - ..."

On the other hand, no one has ever disproved - as opposed to complained about - anything that he wrote.

I have just heard that Hasim Taci, if agreement is not reached, plans fully integration of Kosovo into Serbia. This would allow Kosovo to get more funds, and it would propel him personally into very strong position to become Prime Minister of Serbia. Dacic is panicking.

Krevazi baki! I am not from Kosovo! Therefore i cant say how life is there but i know is like most of Balkan Countries! Poor quality and weak mentality! I live in oxford ! And yes i am Albanian national but not Muslim like most of Serbs try to portray us and not naive or single minded like most Serbs or Balkan people are! Very well informed on the Balkan history and trust me i know what is a lie or what is not! Let me get short on this one! On the Serbian Kosovo issue Serbia is an has been always wrong! Anyhow Serbia has been so wrong for so long that they now should not even have the right to speak! the should learn from Germany and just say sorry and recognized Kosovo straight away! And that i will call progress! I don't speak the language of puzzle like u do! But i speak the realistic point of view! And after Serbia does that they should start a program of clearing up the historical manipulation that the Serb population has been feed for so long! Also compensation for their actions is needed! And trust me Serbia cant play dirty anymore! never ever! To Albanians in Kosovo i say this! This negotiation are not needed! Serbia has not evolved yet! and they cant go on Europe on your expense!I think that u should stay strong and focus on economy and when u do that will lead to become part of us! Mean Albania! and than u will go in Europe will us! Cause you are us! Despite that u are portray as Muslim u still are us! and we have the right to be one!Serbs have not evolved yet!

sj

oh no no, i am aware of your belief that Serbia is the Germnay of the Balkans, or iof not that, of all former ex Yugosalv entities. however, how would those K. Albanians wrok in Serbia? which documentation would they have to use? Serbian passports? Serbian social security numbers? serbian national insurance numbers? or would they work with Kosovar documentations? you really haven't thought this through have you? please, stick to doing what it is you do best, which I'm not really sure what it is. oh yes, fictional economics! thats the thing.

Vlora Citaku said in Tweeter that Serbia is going to say NO again!
Hajredin Kuci says Kosovo side is for Yes on Ashton draft agreement.

Well she is not an official source + she already tweeted before that it seems serbia will accept the agreement this time, and if you look at the article it had just been updated, and now they are taking a break, either way i really hope and agreement is reach for the sake of both sides!

poor lady ashton facing stubborn people on both sides of the table, both albanians and serbs i think are totally stuborn and frankly stupid, obviously you will all vote my comment down as you are all serbs/albanians. Either way it's really true, because, kosovo is not welling to accept serbia's proposal's nor is serbia willing to accept kosovo's proposals, every side is walking his separate way.. grow up both seriously!

Krevazi baku! I don't like to play cat and mouse in this type of sarcastic Balkan mentality that u using! Let me en light you just one time! the monastery's in Kosovo are not the monastery's that did create serbia in-contrarily they are monasteries done during Serbian era for the perpuse of expansion as a kingdom! The monasteries are financed from the Serbian kingdom but they were the work of mainly Greek artists (allso others) witch did escape from Constantinople and did found refuge in Serbian kingdom!There the left their art and their skills to build those wonderful monasteries which did not have a Serbian role but a role for all people including Albanians or Thracian or Greeks! The Gracanica monastery was the culmination of such byzantine art and to say that it was just Serbian is worse than saying that the chicken come before the egg! Even worse creating puzzles that are not for intelligent people but for naive and especially primitive Balkan nationalist people which are served with such big lies for such a long time! The answer to your dirty question is simple! That monastery is the work of art and not nationalistic therefore it is not a Serb or Albanian is religion art and cant be used to define borders! thx

(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 01:24)

From your postings there seems to be a lot of things you are not aware in life. However let’s put that aside and I ask that you tell me how will Kosovo survive on its own “two feet”?
I am interested to hear your version of how Kosovo is going to thrive?

Krezavi Baki

Not one of those things happened under Serbia, all under Yugoslavia. i know that some here confuse the two, but there is a big difference. want an example? Slovenes and Croats both opposed the removal of Kosova's autonomy, Sloba called them both traitors. Now, look at Kosova when it was under direct serbian control 1989-1999, no economy, no development, poor human rights records. Yugoslavia is dead and i for one have no nostalgia for it

"We must never be afraid to go too far, for truth lies beyond" Proust.

--"Vlora Citaku said in Tweeter that Serbia is going to say NO again!
Hajredin Kuci says Kosovo side is for Yes on Ashton draft agreement.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 April 2013 20:24)"--

Yes, indeed. Serbian negotiators will sign Ashton's draft agreement just in case of fulfillment of all requirements.

Krevazi baku it seems to me that now u are talking nonsense! I never said i did live in Kosovo! and i am not from kosovo! But i did respond to you question! NOw let me say to u which time was the mos progressiveness time! The present time! ok! Apart from that was from was in 19 century during prizren leage! ok! therefore dont come and try to say things which for sure i know quiet well! That time was peaceful in surface but inside was different! anyway pointless to go to more details!

Agree.Negotiations will continue until an acceptable solution for both sides.Hope it will be soon.

By saying “no” to the first offer Serbia showed self respect, and that is a quality which Pristina does not posses.
(Christine X., 17 April 2013 22:33)

Christine X,

Serbia lost all self respect twenty years ago when it went on a rampage of murder and rape of women, children, the elderly and the sick. Serbia will have to wait several generations to regain any respect from civilized nations.

@edi: Dear Edi, thank you for your response. I hope that you enjoy Oxford. You can tell me about your life there. Are you a Professor, a student or nothing to do with the University? Regarding Kosovo, would you agree with me that a period 1945-1980 (when Kosovo was part of RS and SFRJ) was a period of fastest cultural and economical development in the history of Kosovo Albanians?

oh dear, you want me to repeat myself again and again? why? i refer you to the following threads:

[http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=82049]
[http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=82580]

now, what documentation would i need to bring with me, if I was to look for a job in that economic paradise of Serbia ? My Kosova passport? would I need a Visa? a work permit :-) ?

@edi: Dear Edi, you are effectively telling me that you have never lived (even visited) Kosovo at any time, but, anyway, you are going to tell me how it was to live there in 1945-1980 period. It is like me explaining to you how it is to live in Oxford.

Why must The Kosovo Albanians want to Rule over Serbians.

This Albanian stanse will create another War.

Bad by Kosovoalbanians.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 17 April 2013 18:21)

In the north there are 40 to 60K Serbs Majority of Serbs do live under Majority rule which happens to Be Albanians in Kosovo.

All this today has been theatrical play by both sides, now they both come home victorious I wish they scream Nike and both drop like the runner after race at Marathon. By Friday Serbs in this forum will be happy and Albanins as well and keep saying profanities at each other.

I read pice in Serbian version of how hard its to live with with 90,000 Dinnars a month same faces Albanins in Kosovo but fat cats will keep getting fatter.

I wonder when are they scheduled to sit and come to a conclusion on reparations for Kosovo ?

According to breaking news in Brussels tonight there was some improvements in Serbian and K Albanian dialogue . It continues in coming days.

:-) we have been over that before sj. i see no reason to repeat myself here. but its you who 'educates' us on what is really being discussed. so tell me, what documents will those K. Albanians seeking work in Serbia be presenting to potential employers? go ahead, i'm at your mercy.
(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 10:34)

Just for my edification please tell me how it is going to work?

(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 13:43)

Now I’ll ask the question once more. Please tell me how is Kosovo going to function as a state, where is the income stream coming from? Do you think there will be any industry and what kind?
I don’t need you to post my statements as I have not waivered for one moment in what I have said.
I await your version of a future Kosovo.

Thaci didn't leave the meeting, he, like the Serbs, are there to reach and agreement, that is their assignment. Why else would they be back in Brussels, when things were so gloomy last week. This is all diplomatic theater, and the actors must play their parts. An agreement will be reached. The West has had enough of this nonsense. Besides, the BG government is slowly moving its attention towards Vojvodina, and a new stage is being set up.

@edi: Dear Edi, thank you for your response. I really appreciate your effort. It seems that the agreement is near and I hope that this pleases you. Tell me something about you; Do you live in Kosovo?; how is your life? etc?

I wish you all the best.

@Ardi Asllani: Ardi, please do not go. I like to read you.

Update 24:30, No agreement, Kosovo said YES, Serbia refused. We will see what happens tomorrow.

sj,
After all the words and a thousand directions the answer is there is no way Serbia could financially survive having Kosovo to return, right? And Kosovo would be worse off in Serbia than alone even if abandoned by everyone.

Staff, 17 April 2013 23:58)
Got news for you, all your Serb brethren fully agree with you, the rest of the world--not!

:-) we have been over that before sj. i see no reason to repeat myself here. but its you who 'educates' us on what is really being discussed. so tell me, what documents will those K. Albanians seeking work in Serbia be presenting to potential employers? go ahead, i'm at your mercy.

Krevaza baki! i doesn't matter what i do! But let me get to you question! Kosovo never existed before 1945 as a administration province! It was created than cause the hidden negotiation to give that part to Albania dint work due to the broken relations in 1949-1950! Therefore it become a province not cause Slavic people wanted that but cause the policy of anti nationalism was the base of Yugoslav communist system! to say that Kosovo did progress during Tito times is a weak analyses! Tito had a plan to send Albanians in turkey and a pact was done despite the fact that was not implemented fully! But this hidden agenda did continue with Albanians going in the west and not returning! In the begging the communists helped especially from Enver Hoxha did kill all the Kosovo Albanian elite! So when u kill the elite there is not much emancipation to bee archived! But in 1974 a sort of light did come to accept autonomy despite the fact that was a sort of controlled autonomy cause the province should have had the republic status due to high population! But yes during tito era the regime was not as harsh as Milosevic era! But my opinion is different to this! And that is that Yugoslavia collapsed because tito did give a form of fakeisem to Yugoslavia and not realism! So i cant call fake era a progressiveness era ! sorry to disappointing you but that is a intelligent analyses! Therefore the answer to your question is: not it was not!thx

(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 10:34)
.. so tell me, what documents will those K. Albanians seeking work in Serbia be presenting to potential employers? go ahead, i'm at your mercy”
The purpose of these talks was to accept Kosovo as independent and once that is done Pristina can issue their papers which Belgrade would have to honour as valid.

@edi: Dear Edi, based on your response I am confident that you have never lived in Kosovo in period 1945-1980. To say that this was the best time for Albanians in their history is understatement. They prospered as never before and never since. I know that as I lived it and anybody who says any differently has not got a clue what he is talking about. During that time everything the first happen (university, education, sport, first Albanian woman to graduate, to do PhD etc.; all parameters of society were hugely improved). I am telling you this just because it is the truth and it seems that there is in you enough honesty to be able to think about it.

Read those two other threads where we discussed the same thing. There's no need to repeat myself, read what I put on those two links
(Nikolle, 18 April 2013 16:14)

As I have shown many times before when asked to show how Kosovo will survive, NOT ONE Albanian is able to explain it rationally. Earlier you said that Kosovo will never be Dubai, but it can survive; if that is the case then why are all your young people leaving paradise? Why is the Serbian police constantly returning your youth from the rest of Serbia? Why are your youth trying to pass themselves off as Serbs when looking for work in Kragujevac????? Imagine working with people that killed theirs????

I think they consume a lot of redbulls.

Read those two other threads where we discussed the same thing. There's no need to repeat myself, read what I put on those two links

You have been writing this for a while sj, yet you've never shown any evidence for it. What sane rational person goes to work in Serbia for an average wage of 350 EUROs? That's the same as in Kosova. So, please do show me where it is that you've read about this stream of Albanians heading of to Serbia to work. I certainly have NEVER read anything of the like. Quote me a source sj so I can educate myself.

P.s. we've been through the other stuff before, no point to repeat myself.

@Nikolle: Albanians are the best (strongest, most hardworking) manual workers I had opportunity to work with. In old days they would come every morning around Vuk Karadzic in Belgrade monument to get a day work (Vukovci). The pay was very good and a lot of them made nice living for their families. I look foward for them coming back.