Solution for Kosovo "must respect Serbia's interests"
Aleksandar Vulin says that Serbia is ready for dialogue on Kosovo and wants a solution - "and for its arguments to be heard and national interests respected."
If Srbija wanted Kosova then why did they start the war there? 2 Kosova is not SRBIjA! because it has more Albanians then serbs! Which i dont understand why serbia wants kosova even though it has 50,000
sorry Mary, it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments, not sure why. anyways, here goes: The Romans had Kosova earlier and longer than the Serbs did. The Ottomans had it for longer than Serbs did, so I was right both times :-). perhaps its Daniel who needs to read a book or two...and you
(Nikolle, 16 April 2013 11:57)
The important thing is that the albanians never had it.
It is imperative that Serbias’ interests should be respected. For Christ sake, it is Serbias’ territory, no matter that USA and its puppets are trying to steal it.
agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
(Koha, 15 April 2013 14:04)
Vojvodina (and Sandjak) aint going anywhere folks and you can take it from some one who lives there. As I have said before, Presevo and Kosovo are two entirely different issues so I do not know why are some people here bringing it up.
Why is this place full of ultra-nationalist trolls? Winston is a diamond in the s**t here. Spot on.
sorry Mary, it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments, not sure why. anyways, here goes: The Romans had Kosova earlier and longer than the Serbs did. The Ottomans had it for longer than Serbs did, so I was right both times :-). perhaps its Daniel who needs to read a book or two...and you
(Nikolle, 15 April 2013 21:40)
You really need to go back to school, or at least think, not once, but ten times, before you write a comment like this one. Why didn’t you mention the dinosaurs. They were on that territory probably longer than anyone else.
River, there will be no exchange of territories, the West is quite adamant about that. I also do not agree with you that Presevo should be even considered in these talks. There are unhappy minorities in many countries, not just Serbia. We cannot solve all their grievances now through the Kosovo talks. Each nation is unique, and the situations different. There are unhappy minorities in Albania, in Macedonia, in Montenegro, in Greece, in Spain, and on and on. You are obviously Albanian, so you pull for Albanians in Presevo, that is understandable, but let's solve one dispute at a time - besides, the West will not have it any other way.
this is funny. Kosova has been a part of the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire for far longer than it has EVER been either Albanian or Serbian. Serbia itself has been Roman longer than it has been Serbian :-)
"It is very frivolous of Mr. Thaci to behave like that - to threaten with war one day, and say that he will not negotiate the next," Vulin told Belgrade-based TV Pink outlet early on Monday.
--This is BS and most people know it. This is intended for the likes of Ari, Jovan and Peggy. The ones who cannot go one meal without the usual BS Serb propaganda. Thaci's video is still out there; go watch it and please let us know where he threatens with war. Albanian is my native language but obviously Serbs must understand it better to have a version that nobody else but them heard.
Also, what kind of an idiot would agree to negotiate with Serbia without a third party being present. Are these guys nuts? Especially after all the nightmares of the 90's.
There's a lot of stirrers placing comments on this website which appears to have been infiltrated by a bunch of separatist misfits who can't live with anyone but themselves.The more I read from these racists the more I realise that the only GOOD people in the this area of Europe are the Serbians who have at no point instigated separatist intentions except in response to moves in this direction by the other ethnic groups living amongst them.I encourage all Serbs to hold your heads high you have nothing to be ashamed of and even less to apologise for.
GILE, 15 April 2013 16:00)
Not the most logical comment ever posted. You say "Serbs need to have own police,army,law,schools and etc. because that is only way to have peace. Other way we will have same situation like we have between Israel and Palestinia "never peacefull""
Palestine has its own police army law schools and etc.
Actually that is the formula that will guarantee instability for decades.
What north Serbia needs is that the Serb communities of north and south should have the right to keep their schools and hospitals etc with ties to Serbia, their police should be KPS with ethnic mixture same as community and preferable from community itself, Kosovo laws and justice system with Serb and international judges, Customs at border with majority of monies going to fund the communities of the north, including the Albanian communities. The right to dual citizenship Kosovo and Serbia but with license plates and taxes to Kosovo. Guaranteed seats in the parliament with guarantees to certain ministries but no veto power. Kfor and Eulex stationed for at least 10 years, with UNMIK liason offices in most major communities. Serb patrimonial sites to have guards of a special unit of KPS with Serb command.
The rights of Albanians in Preshevo and Bujanovac must be addressed once and for all. They can't successfully deal with Belgrade as you suggest since the same blood-thirsty goons of the 90s are in power in Serbia.
Let's treat the problem and not just symptoms.
If exchanging territoires will bring lasting peace than I'm all for it.
There is more than enough land for both sides.
(cry me a river, 15 April 2013 17:58)
Kosovo is and has always been serbian, Presevo has never ever belonged to albania and the serbs are a majority in Bujanovac aswell as in Medvedja and in Presevo its 50 50 so I dont really know what you are a talking about.
agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
(Koha, 15 April 2013 14:04)
Vojvodina on its way where?I live in Pancevo and I dont see Vojvodina going anywhere but apparently you who live 5000km from Serbia knows the situation better than me. Dont you know that 75%of the Vojvodina population are serbs?Wtf r u talking about?The fuzz is all about Pajtic and his greedy colleagues, has nothing to do with the will and desire of the people in Vojvodina whatsoever. Go ask any average slovak, romanian or hungarian and 99%of the answers you will get is that Vojvodina isn´t going anywhere. Last but not least even the "belgrade pasaluk" alone would be bigger than Kosovo. Remember we have RS too.
winston, 15 April 2013 14:18)
A most excellent post!. Preshevo should not be in the Kosovo dialogue at all. Now I do agree that Albanians in Serbia should be afforded the same rights as Serbs in Kosovo but that is an issue between Albanians in Serbia and Belgrade and not even mentioned in the Kosovo dialogue. However, some movement in that direction may convince internationals of feasibility of it working in Kosovo.
But a mini state of Serbs in Kosovo is no more possible than a mini-state of Albanians(more than autonomy less than independence) in Serbia.
... And let's stop bringing Presevo into the Kosovo equation. If the minorities in the South of Serbia have issues with Belgrade, they are capable of fighting for those issues themselves. The Kosovo situation is complicated enough without involving other areas in the Balkans. I do agree though, you cannot create a mini State, within a State, that only leads to more chaos, and would in essence become a frozen conflict, which is of no value to either side. The Serbs are in an undesirable position in Kosovo, but then, they did place themselves in it.
(winston
Winston, the problem, in this case, revolves around two different ethnic groups and not necessarily in one area in this case N Mitro.
The rights of Albanians in Preshevo and Bujanovac must be addressed once and for all. They can't successfully deal with Belgrade as you suggest since the same blood-thirsty goons of the 90s are in power in Serbia.
Let's treat the problem and not just symptoms.
If exchanging territoires will bring lasting peace than I'm all for it.
There is more than enough land for both sides.
Kosovo was always Serbian land and need to stay that way. Serbian people need to stay on north part of Kosovo and have rite on freedom from people like HT. Serbs need to have own police,army,law,schools and etc. because that is only way to have peace. Other way we will have same situation like we have between Israel and Palestinia "never peacefull"
Demi, your rhetoric reminds me of the way Milosevic's gang use to speak. Interesting how nationalistic tones never change, but simply shift sides. And let's stop bringing Presevo into the Kosovo equation. If the minorities in the South of Serbia have issues with Belgrade, they are capable of fighting for those issues themselves. The Kosovo situation is complicated enough without involving other areas in the Balkans. I do agree though, you cannot create a mini State, within a State, that only leads to more chaos, and would in essence become a frozen conflict, which is of no value to either side. The Serbs are in an undesirable position in Kosovo, but then, they did place themselves in it.
I agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
You want a solution, that respects Serbia's interests???? Serbia lost this argument long ago. Either concede or walk away from the negotiations, quit wasting everyone's time.
One could see a pattern here...problem-reaction-solution. in other words Serbia created a problem in 90s, which ended in bloodshed of innoccents, Albanians reacted by resisting the oppression and now Serbia want to propose a solution hmmm something s'not right here...luckily NATO is there otherwise it smells like another spring cleaning in Kosovo Serbian style...never to forget and never to forgive 99.
He say's:
"according to him, the head of the government in Priština "does not have much of a say in this.""
This was the one from many other reasons why Serbia was left alone in "YU". All others have gone away and they have created their states. At all the time, it was only serbs to be heard, its only their solution to be accepted, only they were right, only they had right to speak... The others, they had no saying. The Serbs still live in the past, in the time when they decided who can speak and whop has anything to say.
NOOOOO... This is over. That time will never come back. Each side has a saying and this and each side should be heard. We don't ignore anyone. You want to speak to others about us?!!! Thats very wrong. You should speak to us for us. Accept it. We should be considered equall and not 2nd level citizens as you have considered us in the past.
Negotiate and come to an agreement is good. But nothing that goes outside the statehood and sovregnity of Kosova will be accepted.
Serbs can have rights but nothing more than what they deserve to take care of them self. They already have more rights than what albanians have in Preshevo valley.
You will never get association of serb community with executive or legaslive powers !! Realise that or leave the negotiation table. The deal you have got is more than an compromise !!!
Our dear OM Mr.Hashim Thaqi will show you your place and where you belong !!
Mr. Black Shirt from Mirjana Markovic's JUL party, communist lefties, is now campaigning for Serbia's interests, and wants it to be heard. Well, what is there to say. If you, Mr. Vulin, and the radical and socilaist parties now in office in Belgrade had a different policy towards the Balkans and Kosovo in the 90's, under your beloved leader Slobo Milosevic, the international community would probably be willing to listen to what you have to say today. You guys waged wars, and lost big time, so you are in no position to make demands. Work with the EU/US, or go off to your isolated black hole, and stir problems in Vojvodina now. I am simply in shock that most of you old characters from Slobo's club are even still around in Serbian politics. October 5th, 2000, was not a complete success, obviously.
1. "According to this official, Belgrade has been engaged in negotiations "more with the international community than with Mr. Thaci," because, according to him, the head of the government in Priština "does not have much of a say in this." Vulin
= It really does not matter who calls the shots, if the Kosovar freinds UK, Germany and the US decide and clearly they do in how the EU looks like in 50/100 years time, why is Serbia going against them and then trying to join the same union.
2. "If she comes here, it will mean that she has some proposal, that something will move forward," he stated, and added that Ashton's visit "unfortunately, does not depend only on her." Vulin
= It completely depends on her and her report if you get a yes (billions of euros) and no (zero), stop sticking your head on the sand.
3. "because nobody expected that Serbia would unilaterally abolish its independence", and added that "a certain amount of respect has even been won in this way." Vulin
= really, you have created so much respect that you have to run to old allies like France and your brother in Russia who evidently turned their backs on supporting Serbia. They did that becouse Serbia is trying to play the doubles game like Tito did in the 60/70s but look where that got to.
Mr now off solution for Kosovo every Serbian no that and you no that stop wasting or time and your time and sin in the job has ben don you like or not.
When you are scratching your head and say why does the international community not take Serbia's interest seriously, come back and read this interview. Number one Thaci has never threatened war, Pristina knows it the US knows it and the EU knows it. Number two he has not refused to negotiate, just that it is senseless not to have a mediator. Number three while it has not been released exactly what the deal was that Serbia was offered, no one believes it was a blank sheet of paper. Serbia you really need to choose your leaders a little wiser!
When you are scratching your head and say why does the international community not take Serbia's interest seriously, come back and read this interview. Number one Thaci has never threatened war, Pristina knows it the US knows it and the EU knows it. Number two he has not refused to negotiate, just that it is senseless not to have a mediator. Number three while it has not been released exactly what the deal was that Serbia was offered, no one believes it was a blank sheet of paper. Serbia you really need to choose your leaders a little wiser!
Mr. Black Shirt from Mirjana Markovic's JUL party, communist lefties, is now campaigning for Serbia's interests, and wants it to be heard. Well, what is there to say. If you, Mr. Vulin, and the radical and socilaist parties now in office in Belgrade had a different policy towards the Balkans and Kosovo in the 90's, under your beloved leader Slobo Milosevic, the international community would probably be willing to listen to what you have to say today. You guys waged wars, and lost big time, so you are in no position to make demands. Work with the EU/US, or go off to your isolated black hole, and stir problems in Vojvodina now. I am simply in shock that most of you old characters from Slobo's club are even still around in Serbian politics. October 5th, 2000, was not a complete success, obviously.
Negotiate and come to an agreement is good. But nothing that goes outside the statehood and sovregnity of Kosova will be accepted.
Serbs can have rights but nothing more than what they deserve to take care of them self. They already have more rights than what albanians have in Preshevo valley.
You will never get association of serb community with executive or legaslive powers !! Realise that or leave the negotiation table. The deal you have got is more than an compromise !!!
Our dear OM Mr.Hashim Thaqi will show you your place and where you belong !!
You want a solution, that respects Serbia's interests???? Serbia lost this argument long ago. Either concede or walk away from the negotiations, quit wasting everyone's time.
1. "According to this official, Belgrade has been engaged in negotiations "more with the international community than with Mr. Thaci," because, according to him, the head of the government in Priština "does not have much of a say in this." Vulin
= It really does not matter who calls the shots, if the Kosovar freinds UK, Germany and the US decide and clearly they do in how the EU looks like in 50/100 years time, why is Serbia going against them and then trying to join the same union.
2. "If she comes here, it will mean that she has some proposal, that something will move forward," he stated, and added that Ashton's visit "unfortunately, does not depend only on her." Vulin
= It completely depends on her and her report if you get a yes (billions of euros) and no (zero), stop sticking your head on the sand.
3. "because nobody expected that Serbia would unilaterally abolish its independence", and added that "a certain amount of respect has even been won in this way." Vulin
= really, you have created so much respect that you have to run to old allies like France and your brother in Russia who evidently turned their backs on supporting Serbia. They did that becouse Serbia is trying to play the doubles game like Tito did in the 60/70s but look where that got to.
Demi, your rhetoric reminds me of the way Milosevic's gang use to speak. Interesting how nationalistic tones never change, but simply shift sides. And let's stop bringing Presevo into the Kosovo equation. If the minorities in the South of Serbia have issues with Belgrade, they are capable of fighting for those issues themselves. The Kosovo situation is complicated enough without involving other areas in the Balkans. I do agree though, you cannot create a mini State, within a State, that only leads to more chaos, and would in essence become a frozen conflict, which is of no value to either side. The Serbs are in an undesirable position in Kosovo, but then, they did place themselves in it.
this is funny. Kosova has been a part of the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire for far longer than it has EVER been either Albanian or Serbian. Serbia itself has been Roman longer than it has been Serbian :-)
One could see a pattern here...problem-reaction-solution. in other words Serbia created a problem in 90s, which ended in bloodshed of innoccents, Albanians reacted by resisting the oppression and now Serbia want to propose a solution hmmm something s'not right here...luckily NATO is there otherwise it smells like another spring cleaning in Kosovo Serbian style...never to forget and never to forgive 99.
He say's:
"according to him, the head of the government in Priština "does not have much of a say in this.""
This was the one from many other reasons why Serbia was left alone in "YU". All others have gone away and they have created their states. At all the time, it was only serbs to be heard, its only their solution to be accepted, only they were right, only they had right to speak... The others, they had no saying. The Serbs still live in the past, in the time when they decided who can speak and whop has anything to say.
NOOOOO... This is over. That time will never come back. Each side has a saying and this and each side should be heard. We don't ignore anyone. You want to speak to others about us?!!! Thats very wrong. You should speak to us for us. Accept it. We should be considered equall and not 2nd level citizens as you have considered us in the past.
I agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
Mr now off solution for Kosovo every Serbian no that and you no that stop wasting or time and your time and sin in the job has ben don you like or not.
... And let's stop bringing Presevo into the Kosovo equation. If the minorities in the South of Serbia have issues with Belgrade, they are capable of fighting for those issues themselves. The Kosovo situation is complicated enough without involving other areas in the Balkans. I do agree though, you cannot create a mini State, within a State, that only leads to more chaos, and would in essence become a frozen conflict, which is of no value to either side. The Serbs are in an undesirable position in Kosovo, but then, they did place themselves in it.
(winston
Winston, the problem, in this case, revolves around two different ethnic groups and not necessarily in one area in this case N Mitro.
The rights of Albanians in Preshevo and Bujanovac must be addressed once and for all. They can't successfully deal with Belgrade as you suggest since the same blood-thirsty goons of the 90s are in power in Serbia.
Let's treat the problem and not just symptoms.
If exchanging territoires will bring lasting peace than I'm all for it.
There is more than enough land for both sides.
"It is very frivolous of Mr. Thaci to behave like that - to threaten with war one day, and say that he will not negotiate the next," Vulin told Belgrade-based TV Pink outlet early on Monday.
--This is BS and most people know it. This is intended for the likes of Ari, Jovan and Peggy. The ones who cannot go one meal without the usual BS Serb propaganda. Thaci's video is still out there; go watch it and please let us know where he threatens with war. Albanian is my native language but obviously Serbs must understand it better to have a version that nobody else but them heard.
Also, what kind of an idiot would agree to negotiate with Serbia without a third party being present. Are these guys nuts? Especially after all the nightmares of the 90's.
Kosovo was always Serbian land and need to stay that way. Serbian people need to stay on north part of Kosovo and have rite on freedom from people like HT. Serbs need to have own police,army,law,schools and etc. because that is only way to have peace. Other way we will have same situation like we have between Israel and Palestinia "never peacefull"
The rights of Albanians in Preshevo and Bujanovac must be addressed once and for all. They can't successfully deal with Belgrade as you suggest since the same blood-thirsty goons of the 90s are in power in Serbia.
Let's treat the problem and not just symptoms.
If exchanging territoires will bring lasting peace than I'm all for it.
There is more than enough land for both sides.
(cry me a river, 15 April 2013 17:58)
Kosovo is and has always been serbian, Presevo has never ever belonged to albania and the serbs are a majority in Bujanovac aswell as in Medvedja and in Presevo its 50 50 so I dont really know what you are a talking about.
There's a lot of stirrers placing comments on this website which appears to have been infiltrated by a bunch of separatist misfits who can't live with anyone but themselves.The more I read from these racists the more I realise that the only GOOD people in the this area of Europe are the Serbians who have at no point instigated separatist intentions except in response to moves in this direction by the other ethnic groups living amongst them.I encourage all Serbs to hold your heads high you have nothing to be ashamed of and even less to apologise for.
River, there will be no exchange of territories, the West is quite adamant about that. I also do not agree with you that Presevo should be even considered in these talks. There are unhappy minorities in many countries, not just Serbia. We cannot solve all their grievances now through the Kosovo talks. Each nation is unique, and the situations different. There are unhappy minorities in Albania, in Macedonia, in Montenegro, in Greece, in Spain, and on and on. You are obviously Albanian, so you pull for Albanians in Presevo, that is understandable, but let's solve one dispute at a time - besides, the West will not have it any other way.
GILE, 15 April 2013 16:00)
Not the most logical comment ever posted. You say "Serbs need to have own police,army,law,schools and etc. because that is only way to have peace. Other way we will have same situation like we have between Israel and Palestinia "never peacefull""
Palestine has its own police army law schools and etc.
Actually that is the formula that will guarantee instability for decades.
What north Serbia needs is that the Serb communities of north and south should have the right to keep their schools and hospitals etc with ties to Serbia, their police should be KPS with ethnic mixture same as community and preferable from community itself, Kosovo laws and justice system with Serb and international judges, Customs at border with majority of monies going to fund the communities of the north, including the Albanian communities. The right to dual citizenship Kosovo and Serbia but with license plates and taxes to Kosovo. Guaranteed seats in the parliament with guarantees to certain ministries but no veto power. Kfor and Eulex stationed for at least 10 years, with UNMIK liason offices in most major communities. Serb patrimonial sites to have guards of a special unit of KPS with Serb command.
winston, 15 April 2013 14:18)
A most excellent post!. Preshevo should not be in the Kosovo dialogue at all. Now I do agree that Albanians in Serbia should be afforded the same rights as Serbs in Kosovo but that is an issue between Albanians in Serbia and Belgrade and not even mentioned in the Kosovo dialogue. However, some movement in that direction may convince internationals of feasibility of it working in Kosovo.
But a mini state of Serbs in Kosovo is no more possible than a mini-state of Albanians(more than autonomy less than independence) in Serbia.
agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
(Koha, 15 April 2013 14:04)
Vojvodina on its way where?I live in Pancevo and I dont see Vojvodina going anywhere but apparently you who live 5000km from Serbia knows the situation better than me. Dont you know that 75%of the Vojvodina population are serbs?Wtf r u talking about?The fuzz is all about Pajtic and his greedy colleagues, has nothing to do with the will and desire of the people in Vojvodina whatsoever. Go ask any average slovak, romanian or hungarian and 99%of the answers you will get is that Vojvodina isn´t going anywhere. Last but not least even the "belgrade pasaluk" alone would be bigger than Kosovo. Remember we have RS too.
sorry Mary, it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments, not sure why. anyways, here goes: The Romans had Kosova earlier and longer than the Serbs did. The Ottomans had it for longer than Serbs did, so I was right both times :-). perhaps its Daniel who needs to read a book or two...and you
(Nikolle, 15 April 2013 21:40)
You really need to go back to school, or at least think, not once, but ten times, before you write a comment like this one. Why didn’t you mention the dinosaurs. They were on that territory probably longer than anyone else.
agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
(Koha, 15 April 2013 14:04)
Vojvodina (and Sandjak) aint going anywhere folks and you can take it from some one who lives there. As I have said before, Presevo and Kosovo are two entirely different issues so I do not know why are some people here bringing it up.
Why is this place full of ultra-nationalist trolls? Winston is a diamond in the s**t here. Spot on.
It is imperative that Serbias’ interests should be respected. For Christ sake, it is Serbias’ territory, no matter that USA and its puppets are trying to steal it.
sorry Mary, it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments, not sure why. anyways, here goes: The Romans had Kosova earlier and longer than the Serbs did. The Ottomans had it for longer than Serbs did, so I was right both times :-). perhaps its Daniel who needs to read a book or two...and you
(Nikolle, 16 April 2013 11:57)
The important thing is that the albanians never had it.
If Srbija wanted Kosova then why did they start the war there? 2 Kosova is not SRBIjA! because it has more Albanians then serbs! Which i dont understand why serbia wants kosova even though it has 50,000
I agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
When you are scratching your head and say why does the international community not take Serbia's interest seriously, come back and read this interview. Number one Thaci has never threatened war, Pristina knows it the US knows it and the EU knows it. Number two he has not refused to negotiate, just that it is senseless not to have a mediator. Number three while it has not been released exactly what the deal was that Serbia was offered, no one believes it was a blank sheet of paper. Serbia you really need to choose your leaders a little wiser!
Negotiate and come to an agreement is good. But nothing that goes outside the statehood and sovregnity of Kosova will be accepted.
Serbs can have rights but nothing more than what they deserve to take care of them self. They already have more rights than what albanians have in Preshevo valley.
You will never get association of serb community with executive or legaslive powers !! Realise that or leave the negotiation table. The deal you have got is more than an compromise !!!
Our dear OM Mr.Hashim Thaqi will show you your place and where you belong !!
You want a solution, that respects Serbia's interests???? Serbia lost this argument long ago. Either concede or walk away from the negotiations, quit wasting everyone's time.
One could see a pattern here...problem-reaction-solution. in other words Serbia created a problem in 90s, which ended in bloodshed of innoccents, Albanians reacted by resisting the oppression and now Serbia want to propose a solution hmmm something s'not right here...luckily NATO is there otherwise it smells like another spring cleaning in Kosovo Serbian style...never to forget and never to forgive 99.
There's a lot of stirrers placing comments on this website which appears to have been infiltrated by a bunch of separatist misfits who can't live with anyone but themselves.The more I read from these racists the more I realise that the only GOOD people in the this area of Europe are the Serbians who have at no point instigated separatist intentions except in response to moves in this direction by the other ethnic groups living amongst them.I encourage all Serbs to hold your heads high you have nothing to be ashamed of and even less to apologise for.
He say's:
"according to him, the head of the government in Priština "does not have much of a say in this.""
This was the one from many other reasons why Serbia was left alone in "YU". All others have gone away and they have created their states. At all the time, it was only serbs to be heard, its only their solution to be accepted, only they were right, only they had right to speak... The others, they had no saying. The Serbs still live in the past, in the time when they decided who can speak and whop has anything to say.
NOOOOO... This is over. That time will never come back. Each side has a saying and this and each side should be heard. We don't ignore anyone. You want to speak to others about us?!!! Thats very wrong. You should speak to us for us. Accept it. We should be considered equall and not 2nd level citizens as you have considered us in the past.
Kosovo was always Serbian land and need to stay that way. Serbian people need to stay on north part of Kosovo and have rite on freedom from people like HT. Serbs need to have own police,army,law,schools and etc. because that is only way to have peace. Other way we will have same situation like we have between Israel and Palestinia "never peacefull"
Demi, your rhetoric reminds me of the way Milosevic's gang use to speak. Interesting how nationalistic tones never change, but simply shift sides. And let's stop bringing Presevo into the Kosovo equation. If the minorities in the South of Serbia have issues with Belgrade, they are capable of fighting for those issues themselves. The Kosovo situation is complicated enough without involving other areas in the Balkans. I do agree though, you cannot create a mini State, within a State, that only leads to more chaos, and would in essence become a frozen conflict, which is of no value to either side. The Serbs are in an undesirable position in Kosovo, but then, they did place themselves in it.
agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
(Koha, 15 April 2013 14:04)
Vojvodina on its way where?I live in Pancevo and I dont see Vojvodina going anywhere but apparently you who live 5000km from Serbia knows the situation better than me. Dont you know that 75%of the Vojvodina population are serbs?Wtf r u talking about?The fuzz is all about Pajtic and his greedy colleagues, has nothing to do with the will and desire of the people in Vojvodina whatsoever. Go ask any average slovak, romanian or hungarian and 99%of the answers you will get is that Vojvodina isn´t going anywhere. Last but not least even the "belgrade pasaluk" alone would be bigger than Kosovo. Remember we have RS too.
The rights of Albanians in Preshevo and Bujanovac must be addressed once and for all. They can't successfully deal with Belgrade as you suggest since the same blood-thirsty goons of the 90s are in power in Serbia.
Let's treat the problem and not just symptoms.
If exchanging territoires will bring lasting peace than I'm all for it.
There is more than enough land for both sides.
(cry me a river, 15 April 2013 17:58)
Kosovo is and has always been serbian, Presevo has never ever belonged to albania and the serbs are a majority in Bujanovac aswell as in Medvedja and in Presevo its 50 50 so I dont really know what you are a talking about.
Mr now off solution for Kosovo every Serbian no that and you no that stop wasting or time and your time and sin in the job has ben don you like or not.
Mr. Black Shirt from Mirjana Markovic's JUL party, communist lefties, is now campaigning for Serbia's interests, and wants it to be heard. Well, what is there to say. If you, Mr. Vulin, and the radical and socilaist parties now in office in Belgrade had a different policy towards the Balkans and Kosovo in the 90's, under your beloved leader Slobo Milosevic, the international community would probably be willing to listen to what you have to say today. You guys waged wars, and lost big time, so you are in no position to make demands. Work with the EU/US, or go off to your isolated black hole, and stir problems in Vojvodina now. I am simply in shock that most of you old characters from Slobo's club are even still around in Serbian politics. October 5th, 2000, was not a complete success, obviously.
1. "According to this official, Belgrade has been engaged in negotiations "more with the international community than with Mr. Thaci," because, according to him, the head of the government in Priština "does not have much of a say in this." Vulin
= It really does not matter who calls the shots, if the Kosovar freinds UK, Germany and the US decide and clearly they do in how the EU looks like in 50/100 years time, why is Serbia going against them and then trying to join the same union.
2. "If she comes here, it will mean that she has some proposal, that something will move forward," he stated, and added that Ashton's visit "unfortunately, does not depend only on her." Vulin
= It completely depends on her and her report if you get a yes (billions of euros) and no (zero), stop sticking your head on the sand.
3. "because nobody expected that Serbia would unilaterally abolish its independence", and added that "a certain amount of respect has even been won in this way." Vulin
= really, you have created so much respect that you have to run to old allies like France and your brother in Russia who evidently turned their backs on supporting Serbia. They did that becouse Serbia is trying to play the doubles game like Tito did in the 60/70s but look where that got to.
... And let's stop bringing Presevo into the Kosovo equation. If the minorities in the South of Serbia have issues with Belgrade, they are capable of fighting for those issues themselves. The Kosovo situation is complicated enough without involving other areas in the Balkans. I do agree though, you cannot create a mini State, within a State, that only leads to more chaos, and would in essence become a frozen conflict, which is of no value to either side. The Serbs are in an undesirable position in Kosovo, but then, they did place themselves in it.
(winston
Winston, the problem, in this case, revolves around two different ethnic groups and not necessarily in one area in this case N Mitro.
The rights of Albanians in Preshevo and Bujanovac must be addressed once and for all. They can't successfully deal with Belgrade as you suggest since the same blood-thirsty goons of the 90s are in power in Serbia.
Let's treat the problem and not just symptoms.
If exchanging territoires will bring lasting peace than I'm all for it.
There is more than enough land for both sides.
this is funny. Kosova has been a part of the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire for far longer than it has EVER been either Albanian or Serbian. Serbia itself has been Roman longer than it has been Serbian :-)
It is imperative that Serbias’ interests should be respected. For Christ sake, it is Serbias’ territory, no matter that USA and its puppets are trying to steal it.
sorry Mary, it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments, not sure why. anyways, here goes: The Romans had Kosova earlier and longer than the Serbs did. The Ottomans had it for longer than Serbs did, so I was right both times :-). perhaps its Daniel who needs to read a book or two...and you
(Nikolle, 16 April 2013 11:57)
The important thing is that the albanians never had it.
River, there will be no exchange of territories, the West is quite adamant about that. I also do not agree with you that Presevo should be even considered in these talks. There are unhappy minorities in many countries, not just Serbia. We cannot solve all their grievances now through the Kosovo talks. Each nation is unique, and the situations different. There are unhappy minorities in Albania, in Macedonia, in Montenegro, in Greece, in Spain, and on and on. You are obviously Albanian, so you pull for Albanians in Presevo, that is understandable, but let's solve one dispute at a time - besides, the West will not have it any other way.
agree, Thaci was right when he said if Serbia continues with these rhetoric's and politics that Serbia will be left to only "Pashallak of Belgrade" Vojvodina its on his way next Sandjak and Presheva valley.
Mr. Thaci knew what he was talking about.
Bells are ringing, for those who can hear :)
(Koha, 15 April 2013 14:04)
Vojvodina (and Sandjak) aint going anywhere folks and you can take it from some one who lives there. As I have said before, Presevo and Kosovo are two entirely different issues so I do not know why are some people here bringing it up.
Why is this place full of ultra-nationalist trolls? Winston is a diamond in the s**t here. Spot on.
winston, 15 April 2013 14:18)
A most excellent post!. Preshevo should not be in the Kosovo dialogue at all. Now I do agree that Albanians in Serbia should be afforded the same rights as Serbs in Kosovo but that is an issue between Albanians in Serbia and Belgrade and not even mentioned in the Kosovo dialogue. However, some movement in that direction may convince internationals of feasibility of it working in Kosovo.
But a mini state of Serbs in Kosovo is no more possible than a mini-state of Albanians(more than autonomy less than independence) in Serbia.
"It is very frivolous of Mr. Thaci to behave like that - to threaten with war one day, and say that he will not negotiate the next," Vulin told Belgrade-based TV Pink outlet early on Monday.
--This is BS and most people know it. This is intended for the likes of Ari, Jovan and Peggy. The ones who cannot go one meal without the usual BS Serb propaganda. Thaci's video is still out there; go watch it and please let us know where he threatens with war. Albanian is my native language but obviously Serbs must understand it better to have a version that nobody else but them heard.
Also, what kind of an idiot would agree to negotiate with Serbia without a third party being present. Are these guys nuts? Especially after all the nightmares of the 90's.
(Nikolle, 15 April 2013 21:40)
You really need to go back to school, or at least think, not once, but ten times, before you write a comment like this one. Why didn’t you mention the dinosaurs. They were on that territory probably longer than anyone else.
sorry Mary, it seems B92 has taken to censoring my comments, not sure why. anyways, here goes: The Romans had Kosova earlier and longer than the Serbs did. The Ottomans had it for longer than Serbs did, so I was right both times :-). perhaps its Daniel who needs to read a book or two...and you
GILE, 15 April 2013 16:00)
Not the most logical comment ever posted. You say "Serbs need to have own police,army,law,schools and etc. because that is only way to have peace. Other way we will have same situation like we have between Israel and Palestinia "never peacefull""
Palestine has its own police army law schools and etc.
Actually that is the formula that will guarantee instability for decades.
What north Serbia needs is that the Serb communities of north and south should have the right to keep their schools and hospitals etc with ties to Serbia, their police should be KPS with ethnic mixture same as community and preferable from community itself, Kosovo laws and justice system with Serb and international judges, Customs at border with majority of monies going to fund the communities of the north, including the Albanian communities. The right to dual citizenship Kosovo and Serbia but with license plates and taxes to Kosovo. Guaranteed seats in the parliament with guarantees to certain ministries but no veto power. Kfor and Eulex stationed for at least 10 years, with UNMIK liason offices in most major communities. Serb patrimonial sites to have guards of a special unit of KPS with Serb command.
If Srbija wanted Kosova then why did they start the war there? 2 Kosova is not SRBIjA! because it has more Albanians then serbs! Which i dont understand why serbia wants kosova even though it has 50,000
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