Mass brawl between Macedonian, ethnic Albanian students

I dont understand.
I thought Albanians and Macedonians were best friends!
Didnt they both support Kosovos illegal independence?

Macedonians are now starting to realize that when you lay with dogs, you will wake up with flees!

Probably the Albanians got upset the Macedonians were celebrating the return of their very own war criminal, the Albanians shouldn't get upset, this is as per Albanian intellectual ISO standard. They want to kill but not be killed.

The Slavs of FYR Macedonia need to reassess their priorities. They have spent years and millions of dollars on attempting to steal a part of Greek history & identity. This a pipe-dream which will never get any legitimacy in the world and there are more serious problems in front of them right now. Today, those Slavs have to pick between their territorial integrity or continue this unsuccessful identity theft. Because the Albanians in FYR Macedonia could give a damn about Alexander of Macedon and all that nonsense. They are going to attempt to split that country in two even if it means instigating problems such as the ones today.

And so it begins.
Just wondering if FYROMs are going to expect Serbia to support them. Maybe they will even ask Serbia not to recognise a new country in the making.

"A celebration marking the return of Johan Tarchulovski, the only Macedonian citizen convicted of war crimes during an armed conflict in Macedonia in 2001 by the Hague Tribunal, was held last night."

Some extremists were celebrating convicted war criminals? Or was it an official 'celebration' by the government, like in Croatia and Kosovo when they celebrated the return of their war criminals which were freed in a suspicious second process, after they were convicted in the first one.

Peggy? This was a high-school brawl, not a harbinger of the chaos you're waiting for.
(Danilo, 12 April 2013 12:53)

What about last year when 8 FYR Macedonian Slavs were murdered in cold blood by Islamist inspired Albanian nationalists? This clearly does seem like social tensions are brewing between the Slavs and the Albanians in that country. I don't think its anyone's wish, it seems like reality.

I don't know anything about this person but I think the FYROMians should build a monument for this person, somewhere deep in FYROM surrounded by Albanians. Lets see how Albanians react to that.

Oh, as we can see, the NATO court in the Hague has done wonders for the reconciliation of Balkan peoples. LOL!

BTW, did any Albanians get convicted for crimes committed in FYROM?

"And so it begins. "

Ha. Weird how diaspora Serbs seem to be desperate for further collapse of ex-yu states, even Serbia.

Peggy? This was a high-school brawl, not a harbinger of the chaos you're waiting for.
(Danilo, 12 April 2013 12:53)
Poor comment (-13)

let's split all countries half Macedonia to albs vojvodina to Hungarian k.mit to serbs preshevo vally buj.medveg.to albs part of montonegro to albs cameria to albs and join eu then all be one country together and you mis ech athers.
(ciftelia, 12 April 2013 12:28)

LOL here we have "danilo" aka "alban" once again hating on Serbs, saying they are desperate for further collapse of ex yu states. Meanwhile right below his comment, some albo troll continues the official albo troll code of posting on b92 how parts of Serbia should go to the hngarians and albanians, parts of Macedonia should go to the albanians, parts of Greece to the albanians and parts of CG to the albanians.

Now really "danilo" why are you always trying to call out Serbs and never ever say anything about these albo trolls?

Albanians getting beat up more and more.its funny but they cause the trouble and then get it in the end

How do you know it was Albanians who instigated the brawl Ari Gold?

(bulgar of ohrid, 12 April 2013 14:06)

That's fine if these Slavs from FYR Macedonia choose Bulgaria over Serbia. However what it must do is make a decision regarding what your identity ought to be and stop trying to steal Greek identity.

While you guys are trying to decide if you are really Serb, Bulgarian or the descendants of Alexander-the Albanians will pounce and tear you guys apart. I know personally that many Slavs in FYR Macedonia feel more Serb than Bulgarian, although there are some pro-Bulgarians as well. It would probably be smart if you aligned with Serbia seeing as you shared one country together at one point. Makes more sense because Serbia is experiencing the same problems you are when it comes to territorial integrity.

However, I'd decide soon because the Albs know who they are and want they want. They have districts in your capital city and will clearly try to separate. They will take your entire country before you guys get it together.

let's split all countries half Macedonia to albs vojvodina to Hungarian k.mit to serbs preshevo vally buj.medveg.to albs part of montonegro to albs cameria to albs and join eu then all be one country together and you mis ech athers.
(ciftelia, 12 April 2013 12:28)

All I got out of that is that you want everything to be given to "albs". Sorry pal, doesn't work that way. And what makes you think anyone can live alongside Albs in an EU country? Nobody can today! They would instantly start a civil war.

"And so it begins. "

Ha. Weird how diaspora Serbs seem to be desperate for further collapse of ex-yu states, even Serbia.

Peggy? This was a high-school brawl, not a harbinger of the chaos you're waiting for.

To the tribesmen

This time I support you ! Thank you very much for punishing the traitors ! I am so pleased that I even promise a 3 day moratorium for telling you who the hell you are ! No matter what you bark at me I’ll keep silent for 3 days. I want you to bring nightmares (what else can you do ?) to all traitors of the Serbs. Macedonians believed that the beasts will forgive you or Uncle Sam will defend you. So they reap the harvest they had sewn.

НЕТ ХУДА БЕЗ ДОБРА !

And so it begins.
Just wondering if FYROMs are going to expect Serbia to support them. Maybe they will even ask Serbia not to recognise a new country in the making.
(Peggy, 12 April 2013 12:15)

So what begins? This was a school fight, why would they need Serbia's support? LOL

I remember race related fights when I was a school, but thankfully we had the support of the US. LOL

Zoran,

You are right on the money, the macedonian governement needs tobuild a monument dedicated to Johan in the heart of Tetovo.

100 years the Serbs assisted/conspired against us, as a result northern Greece has been ethnically cleansed of bulgarians bar 50 000 and dwindling, additionally we have todays Macedonia, wiped from it's Bulgarian roots by Serb and communist occupation...
(bulgar of ohrid, 12 April 2013 14:06)


You can show off your anti-Greek loathing in writing freely. But you cannot deny the Bulgarian atrocities during WWII against an innocent Greek population (ca 30.000 dead) since those have been recorded even by the Germans and confirmed by the Allies. Look up the entry ‘Axis occupation of Greece’ in Wikipedia, for instance. And after WWII, Bulgaria got away without any punishment thanks to its communist 'metamorphosis'So, read first before you utter any nonsense again.
BTW, I hold nothing against nowadays Bulgaria, since the bilateral Greek-Bulgarian relations are OK.

Sorry Peggy Serbia can't help themselves let alone us, naturally, logically our Bulgarian brothers will assist accordingly, correct me if IM wrong, 100 years the Serbs assisted/conspired against us, as a result northern Greece has been ethnically cleansed of bulgarians bar 50 000 and dwindling, additionally we have todays Macedonia, wiped from it's Bulgarian roots by Serb and communist occupation... As much as I support the Serbs morrally, thanks for the offer of support but no thanks, if I were u I'd worry about rep srpska and north Kosovo.

Why exactly would it be smart for the Macedonians to align themselves with Serbia rather than Bulgaria? Yes they didn't share a country with Serbia due to Serbian Imperialism, but that doesn't say why it would be smart for them to align themselves with Serbia. And why can't Macedonia just remain as Macedonia?

Keep dreaming mate!
(Ian, UK, 12 April 2013 16:52)

I never said FYR Macedonia was going to become a part of Serbia. All I know is it would probably be best for them to have Serbia as an ally for the similarities between the two country's.

Why this country can't just be "Macedonia" is because of the fact that it isn't. This Greek antiquity period their government is trying to pull is doomed to failure. While they continue to swear they are the direct decedents of Alexander the Great, the hostile Albanian population is ready willing and able to tear them apart unless they ask for help.

So for them its either keep fantasizing about an identity that is not theirs and watching the country disintegrate...or turn to Serbia or Bulgaria and beg for help. Whichever one they pick is not really an issue to me but if they don't they will be defeated by the Albanians.

That's fine if these Slavs from FYR Macedonia choose Bulgaria over Serbia. However what it must do is make a decision regarding what your identity ought to be and stop trying to steal Greek identity.

While you guys are trying to decide if you are really Serb, Bulgarian or the descendants of Alexander-the Albanians will pounce and tear you guys apart. I know personally that many Slavs in FYR Macedonia feel more Serb than Bulgarian, although there are some pro-Bulgarians as well. It would probably be smart if you aligned with Serbia seeing as you shared one country together at one point. Makes more sense because Serbia is experiencing the same problems you are when it comes to territorial integrity.

However, I'd decide soon because the Albs know who they are and want they want. They have districts in your capital city and will clearly try to separate. They will take your entire country before you guys get it together.
(Ari Gold, 12 April 2013 15:45)

Nice to see Ari dreaming about a Greater Serbia and fear-mongering about Albanians once again.

When exactly are Montenegero, Kosovo, Macedonia and the RS going to join Serbia?

Why exactly would it be smart for the Macedonians to align themselves with Serbia rather than Bulgaria? Yes they didn't share a country with Serbia due to Serbian Imperialism, but that doesn't say why it would be smart for them to align themselves with Serbia. And why can't Macedonia just remain as Macedonia?

Keep dreaming mate!

let's split all countries half Macedonia to albs vojvodina to Hungarian k.mit to serbs preshevo vally buj.medveg.to albs part of montonegro to albs cameria to albs and join eu then all be one country together and you mis ech athers.

Hello, ???

I'm still a little melancholic that you said nothing after I rose to your challenge of "proving I was in Belgrade and not an Albo troll".

First of all, you post a false dilemma. It can both be true that Serbian nationalists (perversely) cheer for the further break-up of ex-yu AND for some "albo troll", as you would say, to also cheer it from his computer in Pristina or Australia.

Secondly, perhaps you missed the humour in ciftelia's post. Yes, let's all separate, then join under the same umbrella

Finally, thank you for valuing my input so much that it upsets you when I don't comment on every single thing. what can I say, this isn't some sort of tribunal or deposition.
(Danilo, 12 April 2013 16:55)

By the time I saw your pictures, the article was no longer on the homepage so I didnt bother replying figuring no one would see it. But thank you for posting them, they r not as drastic as the crats protesting the use of cirilica and u still can be an albo troll living in Bgd. working in one of the many bakeries that albos tend to work in. As for the other albo trolls comments, they do not joke about land theft. Them saying take this for that then live under EU is what is realistic to them. They actually think they will be in the EU. I do not value your input, i just like pointing out how you say anti Serb things yet never call out a single albo on anything they say.

(mick, 13 April 2013 10:12)

I agree with you that in the year 2013 AD any country claiming exclusively the people 2500 years ago is ridiculous, what is even more ridiculous though is giving a country a name that they have no historic right to given the fact that its inhabitants are Slavs and Albanians (the first arriving there about 1000 years after the Macedonians) and secondly of living in a territory which in the ancient times was occupied by Dardanians and Paionians .

As to your rejection of the Greekness of ancient Macedonians, the thousands of Archaeological finds and 5000 surviving ancient Macedonian inscriptions written in Greek testify completely the opposite.The Macedonians themselves, claimed an Argive decent, from the Peloponnesian city of Argos and traced their origin to the legendary Hercules, the inscription "ΗΡΑΚΛΗΙ ΠΑΤΡΩΙΩΙ"2 was found in one of the rooms of the palace in Aegae.There are too numerous to count documents from ancient times that testify to the Greekness of the Macedonians, most of them from the Macedonians themselves. Even the Persians identified them as Greeks as recorded in ancient documents.

Sure, Ari. There are tensions. Doesn't mean the Big Collapse is right around the corner.

Hello, ???

I'm still a little melancholic that you said nothing after I rose to your challenge of "proving I was in Belgrade and not an Albo troll".

First of all, you post a false dilemma. It can both be true that Serbian nationalists (perversely) cheer for the further break-up of ex-yu AND for some "albo troll", as you would say, to also cheer it from his computer in Pristina or Australia.

Secondly, perhaps you missed the humour in ciftelia's post. Yes, let's all separate, then join under the same umbrella

Finally, thank you for valuing my input so much that it upsets you when I don't comment on every single thing. what can I say, this isn't some sort of tribunal or deposition.

Macedonia will be free and independent from the ravenous wolfs surrounding it waiting to devour them. Macedonia turned to Croatia for help we are training their army and is modelled on Croatia's. From Croatian made equipment uniforms to weaponry you ravenous wolves will get a nasty surprise if you try anything.

It's Makedonija or Macedonia to you guys. Yes I don't like what the government has done with the situation with the Albanians, but if we stayed with you guys (Serbs), we would have lost more of our boys in Croatia and might I remind you how many Macedonians were killed in Slovenia when the war broke out (and we would have been bombed over Kosovo in 1999 as well). I'm glad you guys are backing the Greeks, but no one really cares what the Greeks have to say with their 28%+ unemployment rate. Yes, we might not be that much better and I am not one of the Macedonians who claims to be a decedent of Alexander's, but some of you with your slick comments need to get over yourselves because we have more countries that recognized us under our legal name than Kosovo. But what ever makes you feel better...

"I remember race related fights when I was a school, but thankfully we had the support of the US. LOL"

Ian, UK

Well of course you got the help from the US. You never could do your own fighting.

BTW did they teach you at schooke that the byzantine empire was a greek empire
(Bulgar Of Ohrid, 13 April 2013 01:16)

What a silly comment to make.One certainly doesn't need to attend a Greek School to establish the Greekness of the Byzantine empire.The following Byzantine historians can testify to that,Michael Attaliates,Doukas,John Zonaras,George Akropolites,John Kaminiatos,Eftathius of Thessaloniki,Nikiphoros Xanthopoulos to name a few.As you can see from their names there're all Greek and so were the Byzantine Empire which was based on Greek Language,culture and religion.

(Ari Gold, 12 April 2013 17:55)

Macedonia are allies with Serbia, they're very friendly neighbours and the same applies to Bulgaria as well. Macedonia enjoys good neighbourly relations with both of them due to religious, historical, cultural and political reasons.

I know Macedonians are not descendants of Alex the Great, they're pretty much Bulgarians as you can tell by their DNA, language and names. They're like Bulgarians the same way Montenegrins are Serbs, Austrians are Germans, Cypriots are Greeks and Moldovans are Romanians. They're all just different for regional and historical reasons.

Don't over-exaggerate the threat of Albanians in Macedonia. Macedonia will be in NATO within ten years and NATO has no plans/ desire to support any secessionist movements in Macedonia. Any secessionist group will need international support and they will lack that. The UN, EU and NATO will not allow it.

As for the naming dispute, the Republic of Macedonia lies within the geographical region of Macedonia but they should call their country the 'Republic of Vardar Macedonia' and Greece should call their province 'Aegean Macedonia', just like Bulgarian Macedonia is known as 'Pirin Macedonia'. As for them celebrating Alex the Great, I see no problem with that. Us English celebrate Boudica as a National Hero yet she wasn't the same Ethnic group as present day English. She was an Ancient Brythonic/ Iceni Celt. She is actually of a similar Ethnic group to Welsh, Cornish and Bretons.

@Toni (USA)

No matter what you do or say, no matter how many red buses you buy, how many wall stress bulls you buy, how many fake old buildings you build, you are still a third world country.

Good luck trying to keep your borders intact...

but then again..who really cares if you live or die

Why can't Macedonians not be direct descendants of Macedonians?
Macedonians did not start with Alexander, but have a greater history earlier.
Alexander the great was not a Greek, that is proven by many facts just research some on the internet.
The People of Greece now are not the same as the Hellenes of 2000 years ago, plus at that time the majority population of the city states were Slaves from Africa!

Even up to 100-200 years ago it did not matter if you were from Hercegovina/eastern Bulgaria, Serbia/Macedonia/Montenegro, the people were the same, that changed due to the rise of nationalism.

The Slavic migration theories are total bs! How can some people somewhere from Ukraine/Belarus conquer and subdue/kill/takeover/assimilate etc people from Germany/Central Europe/Russia and the Balkans in a very short time frame... I believe that's impossible.

The ancestors of the Russian people come from the Balkans, and many places-es in eastern Germany (sorbs) are named after places from the Balkans.
As i pointed out some time ago , Nino Belov long before the Hellenes were in the Balkans he ruled the Balkans, Alexander the great was an Ancestor of him and Like Nino Belov conquered the known world!

What is the common name for Slavs? there isn't one that I can think of, But I know that the name Serb/Sorb/Sarb is older then Slav same for Ras/Rus/Res.
The discussion here is too short too point out everything but the facts stay Alexander was Just Macedonian Slavic(Glorious).

May i ask because i always realy wondered this the slavic population of Vardaska(lets face it thats what it was called till 1947)setting aside the name issue with Greece if they had to what would they associate themselves with bulgarians or serbs?

You can show off your anti-Greek loathing in writing freely. But you cannot deny the Bulgarian atrocities during WWII against an innocent Greek population (ca 30.000 dead) since those have been recorded even by the Germans and confirmed by the Allies. Look up the entry ‘Axis occupation of Greece’ in Wikipedia, for instance. And after WWII, Bulgaria got away without any punishment thanks to its communist 'metamorphosis'So, read first before you utter any nonsense again.
BTW, I hold nothing against nowadays Bulgaria, since the bilateral Greek-Bulgarian relations are OK.
(Leonidas, 12 April 2013 21:41)

yes yes leonidas, lets not use apply history selectively selectively...

How about the Greek Atrocities, pre balkan wars, world war one and the genocide of Slavs from norther greece?

Greeks killed greeks during the greek civil war, more then 30 000 thats for sure, as for Bulgarian atrocities in Greece, the winners write the history.. im sure it was not greater then greek atrocities against slavs generally.

BTW did they teach you at schooke that the byzantine empire was a greek empire

While you guys are trying to decide if you are really Serb, Bulgarian or the descendants of Alexander-the Albanians will pounce and tear you guys apart. I know personally that many Slavs in FYR Macedonia feel more Serb than Bulgarian, although there are some pro-Bulgarians as well

Ari gold

We were under Serbia, it didnt work, just ask my grandfather

Look at the names, the language, History.. While yes there are some in FYROM that are alligned with the Serbs, but hey have been brainwashed since the Balkan wars...

"Why can't Macedonians not be direct descendants of Macedonians?"

The modern Maceodnians today, are a Slavic group. the Macedonians of Alexander the Great were a different ethnic group completely. you are as much descendents of Alexander the Great as I am a direct descendent of Jesus.

BTW did they teach you at schooke that the byzantine empire was a greek empire
(Bulgar Of Ohrid, 13 April 2013 01:16)

Yes that's exactly what they taught us and our teachers were right. When you have an empire with emperors' names like Andronikos, Vasilios, Theofilos, Nikiforos then that empire sounds pretty greek to me. It wasn't bulgarian, that's for sure. Btw, does the name Vasilios II Voulgaroktonos ring any bells to you?
As for this guy mick's comment, it is so absurd that it makes the albanian commentators suddenly seem a lot more rational.

It's Makedonija or Macedonia to you guys. Yes I don't like what the government has done with the situation with the Albanians, but if we stayed with you guys (Serbs), we would have lost more of our boys in Croatia and might I remind you how many Macedonians were killed in Slovenia when the war broke out
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I appreciate your honesty and respect your views.
But, when sh!t hits the fan don't expect a single Serb to help you. Don't fool yourself, sh!t will hit the fan sooner than you think and you will need allies.
First Serbia will recognise a new Albanian country born out of FYROM and then stand back and watch all your 10,000 strong "army" try to defend you.
Good luck with that.

So what begins? This was a school fight, why would they need Serbia's support? LOL
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No, this was not a school fight. School fight implies that kids got angry over all sorts of things. This was racially motivated and kids mimicking their parents.
This is a sign of a lot more than just a school fight.

Yes baby, you got to love this; here we have the so called “brothers’ fighting against one another.

Serbs- Greeks-Bulgarians and Macedonians; I thought you were “one”!!!

LOL, this just made my weekend; keep it up: you know who the winner is going to be, don’t ya?

How do you know it was Albanians who instigated the brawl Ari Gold?

"And so it begins. "

Ha. Weird how diaspora Serbs seem to be desperate for further collapse of ex-yu states, even Serbia.

Peggy? This was a high-school brawl, not a harbinger of the chaos you're waiting for.

let's split all countries half Macedonia to albs vojvodina to Hungarian k.mit to serbs preshevo vally buj.medveg.to albs part of montonegro to albs cameria to albs and join eu then all be one country together and you mis ech athers.

I dont understand.
I thought Albanians and Macedonians were best friends!
Didnt they both support Kosovos illegal independence?

Macedonians are now starting to realize that when you lay with dogs, you will wake up with flees!

Probably the Albanians got upset the Macedonians were celebrating the return of their very own war criminal, the Albanians shouldn't get upset, this is as per Albanian intellectual ISO standard. They want to kill but not be killed.

The Slavs of FYR Macedonia need to reassess their priorities. They have spent years and millions of dollars on attempting to steal a part of Greek history & identity. This a pipe-dream which will never get any legitimacy in the world and there are more serious problems in front of them right now. Today, those Slavs have to pick between their territorial integrity or continue this unsuccessful identity theft. Because the Albanians in FYR Macedonia could give a damn about Alexander of Macedon and all that nonsense. They are going to attempt to split that country in two even if it means instigating problems such as the ones today.

Sure, Ari. There are tensions. Doesn't mean the Big Collapse is right around the corner.

And so it begins.
Just wondering if FYROMs are going to expect Serbia to support them. Maybe they will even ask Serbia not to recognise a new country in the making.

Sorry Peggy Serbia can't help themselves let alone us, naturally, logically our Bulgarian brothers will assist accordingly, correct me if IM wrong, 100 years the Serbs assisted/conspired against us, as a result northern Greece has been ethnically cleansed of bulgarians bar 50 000 and dwindling, additionally we have todays Macedonia, wiped from it's Bulgarian roots by Serb and communist occupation... As much as I support the Serbs morrally, thanks for the offer of support but no thanks, if I were u I'd worry about rep srpska and north Kosovo.

And so it begins.
Just wondering if FYROMs are going to expect Serbia to support them. Maybe they will even ask Serbia not to recognise a new country in the making.
(Peggy, 12 April 2013 12:15)

So what begins? This was a school fight, why would they need Serbia's support? LOL

I remember race related fights when I was a school, but thankfully we had the support of the US. LOL

Peggy? This was a high-school brawl, not a harbinger of the chaos you're waiting for.
(Danilo, 12 April 2013 12:53)

What about last year when 8 FYR Macedonian Slavs were murdered in cold blood by Islamist inspired Albanian nationalists? This clearly does seem like social tensions are brewing between the Slavs and the Albanians in that country. I don't think its anyone's wish, it seems like reality.

I don't know anything about this person but I think the FYROMians should build a monument for this person, somewhere deep in FYROM surrounded by Albanians. Lets see how Albanians react to that.

Oh, as we can see, the NATO court in the Hague has done wonders for the reconciliation of Balkan peoples. LOL!

BTW, did any Albanians get convicted for crimes committed in FYROM?

That's fine if these Slavs from FYR Macedonia choose Bulgaria over Serbia. However what it must do is make a decision regarding what your identity ought to be and stop trying to steal Greek identity.

While you guys are trying to decide if you are really Serb, Bulgarian or the descendants of Alexander-the Albanians will pounce and tear you guys apart. I know personally that many Slavs in FYR Macedonia feel more Serb than Bulgarian, although there are some pro-Bulgarians as well. It would probably be smart if you aligned with Serbia seeing as you shared one country together at one point. Makes more sense because Serbia is experiencing the same problems you are when it comes to territorial integrity.

However, I'd decide soon because the Albs know who they are and want they want. They have districts in your capital city and will clearly try to separate. They will take your entire country before you guys get it together.
(Ari Gold, 12 April 2013 15:45)

Nice to see Ari dreaming about a Greater Serbia and fear-mongering about Albanians once again.

When exactly are Montenegero, Kosovo, Macedonia and the RS going to join Serbia?

Why exactly would it be smart for the Macedonians to align themselves with Serbia rather than Bulgaria? Yes they didn't share a country with Serbia due to Serbian Imperialism, but that doesn't say why it would be smart for them to align themselves with Serbia. And why can't Macedonia just remain as Macedonia?

Keep dreaming mate!

Albanians getting beat up more and more.its funny but they cause the trouble and then get it in the end

It's Makedonija or Macedonia to you guys. Yes I don't like what the government has done with the situation with the Albanians, but if we stayed with you guys (Serbs), we would have lost more of our boys in Croatia and might I remind you how many Macedonians were killed in Slovenia when the war broke out (and we would have been bombed over Kosovo in 1999 as well). I'm glad you guys are backing the Greeks, but no one really cares what the Greeks have to say with their 28%+ unemployment rate. Yes, we might not be that much better and I am not one of the Macedonians who claims to be a decedent of Alexander's, but some of you with your slick comments need to get over yourselves because we have more countries that recognized us under our legal name than Kosovo. But what ever makes you feel better...

Hello, ???

I'm still a little melancholic that you said nothing after I rose to your challenge of "proving I was in Belgrade and not an Albo troll".

First of all, you post a false dilemma. It can both be true that Serbian nationalists (perversely) cheer for the further break-up of ex-yu AND for some "albo troll", as you would say, to also cheer it from his computer in Pristina or Australia.

Secondly, perhaps you missed the humour in ciftelia's post. Yes, let's all separate, then join under the same umbrella

Finally, thank you for valuing my input so much that it upsets you when I don't comment on every single thing. what can I say, this isn't some sort of tribunal or deposition.

(Ari Gold, 12 April 2013 17:55)

Macedonia are allies with Serbia, they're very friendly neighbours and the same applies to Bulgaria as well. Macedonia enjoys good neighbourly relations with both of them due to religious, historical, cultural and political reasons.

I know Macedonians are not descendants of Alex the Great, they're pretty much Bulgarians as you can tell by their DNA, language and names. They're like Bulgarians the same way Montenegrins are Serbs, Austrians are Germans, Cypriots are Greeks and Moldovans are Romanians. They're all just different for regional and historical reasons.

Don't over-exaggerate the threat of Albanians in Macedonia. Macedonia will be in NATO within ten years and NATO has no plans/ desire to support any secessionist movements in Macedonia. Any secessionist group will need international support and they will lack that. The UN, EU and NATO will not allow it.

As for the naming dispute, the Republic of Macedonia lies within the geographical region of Macedonia but they should call their country the 'Republic of Vardar Macedonia' and Greece should call their province 'Aegean Macedonia', just like Bulgarian Macedonia is known as 'Pirin Macedonia'. As for them celebrating Alex the Great, I see no problem with that. Us English celebrate Boudica as a National Hero yet she wasn't the same Ethnic group as present day English. She was an Ancient Brythonic/ Iceni Celt. She is actually of a similar Ethnic group to Welsh, Cornish and Bretons.

(bulgar of ohrid, 12 April 2013 14:06)

That's fine if these Slavs from FYR Macedonia choose Bulgaria over Serbia. However what it must do is make a decision regarding what your identity ought to be and stop trying to steal Greek identity.

While you guys are trying to decide if you are really Serb, Bulgarian or the descendants of Alexander-the Albanians will pounce and tear you guys apart. I know personally that many Slavs in FYR Macedonia feel more Serb than Bulgarian, although there are some pro-Bulgarians as well. It would probably be smart if you aligned with Serbia seeing as you shared one country together at one point. Makes more sense because Serbia is experiencing the same problems you are when it comes to territorial integrity.

However, I'd decide soon because the Albs know who they are and want they want. They have districts in your capital city and will clearly try to separate. They will take your entire country before you guys get it together.

let's split all countries half Macedonia to albs vojvodina to Hungarian k.mit to serbs preshevo vally buj.medveg.to albs part of montonegro to albs cameria to albs and join eu then all be one country together and you mis ech athers.
(ciftelia, 12 April 2013 12:28)

All I got out of that is that you want everything to be given to "albs". Sorry pal, doesn't work that way. And what makes you think anyone can live alongside Albs in an EU country? Nobody can today! They would instantly start a civil war.

"A celebration marking the return of Johan Tarchulovski, the only Macedonian citizen convicted of war crimes during an armed conflict in Macedonia in 2001 by the Hague Tribunal, was held last night."

Some extremists were celebrating convicted war criminals? Or was it an official 'celebration' by the government, like in Croatia and Kosovo when they celebrated the return of their war criminals which were freed in a suspicious second process, after they were convicted in the first one.

Why exactly would it be smart for the Macedonians to align themselves with Serbia rather than Bulgaria? Yes they didn't share a country with Serbia due to Serbian Imperialism, but that doesn't say why it would be smart for them to align themselves with Serbia. And why can't Macedonia just remain as Macedonia?

Keep dreaming mate!
(Ian, UK, 12 April 2013 16:52)

I never said FYR Macedonia was going to become a part of Serbia. All I know is it would probably be best for them to have Serbia as an ally for the similarities between the two country's.

Why this country can't just be "Macedonia" is because of the fact that it isn't. This Greek antiquity period their government is trying to pull is doomed to failure. While they continue to swear they are the direct decedents of Alexander the Great, the hostile Albanian population is ready willing and able to tear them apart unless they ask for help.

So for them its either keep fantasizing about an identity that is not theirs and watching the country disintegrate...or turn to Serbia or Bulgaria and beg for help. Whichever one they pick is not really an issue to me but if they don't they will be defeated by the Albanians.

"And so it begins. "

Ha. Weird how diaspora Serbs seem to be desperate for further collapse of ex-yu states, even Serbia.

Peggy? This was a high-school brawl, not a harbinger of the chaos you're waiting for.
(Danilo, 12 April 2013 12:53)
Poor comment (-13)

let's split all countries half Macedonia to albs vojvodina to Hungarian k.mit to serbs preshevo vally buj.medveg.to albs part of montonegro to albs cameria to albs and join eu then all be one country together and you mis ech athers.
(ciftelia, 12 April 2013 12:28)

LOL here we have "danilo" aka "alban" once again hating on Serbs, saying they are desperate for further collapse of ex yu states. Meanwhile right below his comment, some albo troll continues the official albo troll code of posting on b92 how parts of Serbia should go to the hngarians and albanians, parts of Macedonia should go to the albanians, parts of Greece to the albanians and parts of CG to the albanians.

Now really "danilo" why are you always trying to call out Serbs and never ever say anything about these albo trolls?

Macedonia will be free and independent from the ravenous wolfs surrounding it waiting to devour them. Macedonia turned to Croatia for help we are training their army and is modelled on Croatia's. From Croatian made equipment uniforms to weaponry you ravenous wolves will get a nasty surprise if you try anything.

100 years the Serbs assisted/conspired against us, as a result northern Greece has been ethnically cleansed of bulgarians bar 50 000 and dwindling, additionally we have todays Macedonia, wiped from it's Bulgarian roots by Serb and communist occupation...
(bulgar of ohrid, 12 April 2013 14:06)


You can show off your anti-Greek loathing in writing freely. But you cannot deny the Bulgarian atrocities during WWII against an innocent Greek population (ca 30.000 dead) since those have been recorded even by the Germans and confirmed by the Allies. Look up the entry ‘Axis occupation of Greece’ in Wikipedia, for instance. And after WWII, Bulgaria got away without any punishment thanks to its communist 'metamorphosis'So, read first before you utter any nonsense again.
BTW, I hold nothing against nowadays Bulgaria, since the bilateral Greek-Bulgarian relations are OK.

@Toni (USA)

No matter what you do or say, no matter how many red buses you buy, how many wall stress bulls you buy, how many fake old buildings you build, you are still a third world country.

Good luck trying to keep your borders intact...

but then again..who really cares if you live or die

Hello, ???

I'm still a little melancholic that you said nothing after I rose to your challenge of "proving I was in Belgrade and not an Albo troll".

First of all, you post a false dilemma. It can both be true that Serbian nationalists (perversely) cheer for the further break-up of ex-yu AND for some "albo troll", as you would say, to also cheer it from his computer in Pristina or Australia.

Secondly, perhaps you missed the humour in ciftelia's post. Yes, let's all separate, then join under the same umbrella

Finally, thank you for valuing my input so much that it upsets you when I don't comment on every single thing. what can I say, this isn't some sort of tribunal or deposition.
(Danilo, 12 April 2013 16:55)

By the time I saw your pictures, the article was no longer on the homepage so I didnt bother replying figuring no one would see it. But thank you for posting them, they r not as drastic as the crats protesting the use of cirilica and u still can be an albo troll living in Bgd. working in one of the many bakeries that albos tend to work in. As for the other albo trolls comments, they do not joke about land theft. Them saying take this for that then live under EU is what is realistic to them. They actually think they will be in the EU. I do not value your input, i just like pointing out how you say anti Serb things yet never call out a single albo on anything they say.

While you guys are trying to decide if you are really Serb, Bulgarian or the descendants of Alexander-the Albanians will pounce and tear you guys apart. I know personally that many Slavs in FYR Macedonia feel more Serb than Bulgarian, although there are some pro-Bulgarians as well

Ari gold

We were under Serbia, it didnt work, just ask my grandfather

Look at the names, the language, History.. While yes there are some in FYROM that are alligned with the Serbs, but hey have been brainwashed since the Balkan wars...

(mick, 13 April 2013 10:12)

I agree with you that in the year 2013 AD any country claiming exclusively the people 2500 years ago is ridiculous, what is even more ridiculous though is giving a country a name that they have no historic right to given the fact that its inhabitants are Slavs and Albanians (the first arriving there about 1000 years after the Macedonians) and secondly of living in a territory which in the ancient times was occupied by Dardanians and Paionians .

As to your rejection of the Greekness of ancient Macedonians, the thousands of Archaeological finds and 5000 surviving ancient Macedonian inscriptions written in Greek testify completely the opposite.The Macedonians themselves, claimed an Argive decent, from the Peloponnesian city of Argos and traced their origin to the legendary Hercules, the inscription "ΗΡΑΚΛΗΙ ΠΑΤΡΩΙΩΙ"2 was found in one of the rooms of the palace in Aegae.There are too numerous to count documents from ancient times that testify to the Greekness of the Macedonians, most of them from the Macedonians themselves. Even the Persians identified them as Greeks as recorded in ancient documents.

To the tribesmen

This time I support you ! Thank you very much for punishing the traitors ! I am so pleased that I even promise a 3 day moratorium for telling you who the hell you are ! No matter what you bark at me I’ll keep silent for 3 days. I want you to bring nightmares (what else can you do ?) to all traitors of the Serbs. Macedonians believed that the beasts will forgive you or Uncle Sam will defend you. So they reap the harvest they had sewn.

НЕТ ХУДА БЕЗ ДОБРА !

Why can't Macedonians not be direct descendants of Macedonians?
Macedonians did not start with Alexander, but have a greater history earlier.
Alexander the great was not a Greek, that is proven by many facts just research some on the internet.
The People of Greece now are not the same as the Hellenes of 2000 years ago, plus at that time the majority population of the city states were Slaves from Africa!

Even up to 100-200 years ago it did not matter if you were from Hercegovina/eastern Bulgaria, Serbia/Macedonia/Montenegro, the people were the same, that changed due to the rise of nationalism.

The Slavic migration theories are total bs! How can some people somewhere from Ukraine/Belarus conquer and subdue/kill/takeover/assimilate etc people from Germany/Central Europe/Russia and the Balkans in a very short time frame... I believe that's impossible.

The ancestors of the Russian people come from the Balkans, and many places-es in eastern Germany (sorbs) are named after places from the Balkans.
As i pointed out some time ago , Nino Belov long before the Hellenes were in the Balkans he ruled the Balkans, Alexander the great was an Ancestor of him and Like Nino Belov conquered the known world!

What is the common name for Slavs? there isn't one that I can think of, But I know that the name Serb/Sorb/Sarb is older then Slav same for Ras/Rus/Res.
The discussion here is too short too point out everything but the facts stay Alexander was Just Macedonian Slavic(Glorious).

"Why can't Macedonians not be direct descendants of Macedonians?"

The modern Maceodnians today, are a Slavic group. the Macedonians of Alexander the Great were a different ethnic group completely. you are as much descendents of Alexander the Great as I am a direct descendent of Jesus.

Zoran,

You are right on the money, the macedonian governement needs tobuild a monument dedicated to Johan in the heart of Tetovo.

May i ask because i always realy wondered this the slavic population of Vardaska(lets face it thats what it was called till 1947)setting aside the name issue with Greece if they had to what would they associate themselves with bulgarians or serbs?

So what begins? This was a school fight, why would they need Serbia's support? LOL
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No, this was not a school fight. School fight implies that kids got angry over all sorts of things. This was racially motivated and kids mimicking their parents.
This is a sign of a lot more than just a school fight.

Yes baby, you got to love this; here we have the so called “brothers’ fighting against one another.

Serbs- Greeks-Bulgarians and Macedonians; I thought you were “one”!!!

LOL, this just made my weekend; keep it up: you know who the winner is going to be, don’t ya?

You can show off your anti-Greek loathing in writing freely. But you cannot deny the Bulgarian atrocities during WWII against an innocent Greek population (ca 30.000 dead) since those have been recorded even by the Germans and confirmed by the Allies. Look up the entry ‘Axis occupation of Greece’ in Wikipedia, for instance. And after WWII, Bulgaria got away without any punishment thanks to its communist 'metamorphosis'So, read first before you utter any nonsense again.
BTW, I hold nothing against nowadays Bulgaria, since the bilateral Greek-Bulgarian relations are OK.
(Leonidas, 12 April 2013 21:41)

yes yes leonidas, lets not use apply history selectively selectively...

How about the Greek Atrocities, pre balkan wars, world war one and the genocide of Slavs from norther greece?

Greeks killed greeks during the greek civil war, more then 30 000 thats for sure, as for Bulgarian atrocities in Greece, the winners write the history.. im sure it was not greater then greek atrocities against slavs generally.

BTW did they teach you at schooke that the byzantine empire was a greek empire

BTW did they teach you at schooke that the byzantine empire was a greek empire
(Bulgar Of Ohrid, 13 April 2013 01:16)

What a silly comment to make.One certainly doesn't need to attend a Greek School to establish the Greekness of the Byzantine empire.The following Byzantine historians can testify to that,Michael Attaliates,Doukas,John Zonaras,George Akropolites,John Kaminiatos,Eftathius of Thessaloniki,Nikiphoros Xanthopoulos to name a few.As you can see from their names there're all Greek and so were the Byzantine Empire which was based on Greek Language,culture and religion.

It's Makedonija or Macedonia to you guys. Yes I don't like what the government has done with the situation with the Albanians, but if we stayed with you guys (Serbs), we would have lost more of our boys in Croatia and might I remind you how many Macedonians were killed in Slovenia when the war broke out
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I appreciate your honesty and respect your views.
But, when sh!t hits the fan don't expect a single Serb to help you. Don't fool yourself, sh!t will hit the fan sooner than you think and you will need allies.
First Serbia will recognise a new Albanian country born out of FYROM and then stand back and watch all your 10,000 strong "army" try to defend you.
Good luck with that.

"I remember race related fights when I was a school, but thankfully we had the support of the US. LOL"

Ian, UK

Well of course you got the help from the US. You never could do your own fighting.

BTW did they teach you at schooke that the byzantine empire was a greek empire
(Bulgar Of Ohrid, 13 April 2013 01:16)

Yes that's exactly what they taught us and our teachers were right. When you have an empire with emperors' names like Andronikos, Vasilios, Theofilos, Nikiforos then that empire sounds pretty greek to me. It wasn't bulgarian, that's for sure. Btw, does the name Vasilios II Voulgaroktonos ring any bells to you?
As for this guy mick's comment, it is so absurd that it makes the albanian commentators suddenly seem a lot more rational.