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Suspect pleads guilty in Kosovo illegal transplants case

One of nine suspects charged with illegal organ trade in the Medicus Clinic in Kosovo has pleaded guilty to illegal medical activity charges.

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Joe Banana

pre 11 godina

Whereas The Serbian claim, which is covered in Dick Marty's report is about Guerrilla fighters killing Serbs for their organs. Two very different cases.
(Ian, UK, 5 April 2013 14:45)

The Serbian claim? Serbians did not claim to know anything that Carla Del Ponte did not know and Dick Marty did not find during his investigation.

You would be even more happier than Snake-Thaci if nothing is found. Lets see how much will be biased this investigation led by America prosecutor. I am sure that investigation is already obstructed by US, UK and countries which recognized Kosovo's UDI.

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

@ Trizo

"Maybe Albanians don't see Serbs as victims and Americans don't see them as victims but many people from other countries know what happened."

- Many people from other countries? Who? Russia, Greece? They would support you even if you invaded Italy! Good thing the rest of the world knows what kind of standards and "values" your supporters have. You don't think anybody sees what happens in these countries and how things are done there?

"You've already had your 'information' of Serb 'atrocities' come out into the media world. This was all the CNN and BBC propaganda of the 90s and early 00'."

- CNN and BBC are "news" channels and these aren't news anymore. There are still plenty of documentaries and special reports that document what happened.

"There are a lot more intellects out there than you think who don't believe mass media lies."

- What lies? We all saw the footage from the concentration camps. We all saw Srebrenica, Racak, we have all seen the footage of killed babies, women and elderly. These were all "KLA" to you I'm sure. Anyways we won't have to argue anymore. On Monday your government will recognize Kosova in its current borders and then maybe you'll start understanding who was at fault. Soon afterwards (I'll give it a year or two) before Serbia joins the EU, they will also apologize for all the war crimes.

You are just whining Trizo, nothing else. I'm done babysitting and pacifying you, you need adult supervision.

nenad

pre 11 godina

over history every single empire has fallen the persians , romans ,the ottomans,america your day is near and when this does happen europe will change for the better of man kind the 4 c's will fly over kosovo forever

trizo

pre 11 godina

Just keep on repeating claims of a handful of Serbs that were victimized during the wars and hopefully the world will forget about the hundreds of thousands you victimized and call it "an even war with victims on both sides". Cry me a river Trizo and good luck on getting any international sympathy.
(Shqiptar, 5 April 2013 15:49)

The problem for you is that any foreign person with no bias to this matter will clearly come across enough evidence from various resources to see that what you have said is ridiculous.

Maybe Albanians don't see Serbs as victims and Americans don't see them as victims but many people from other countries know what happened. All sides had victims. You guys waged war on us first and we just came and kicked your KLA to the ground. Then we were bombed by NATO from the air forcing us to retreat.

You've already had your 'information' of Serb 'atrocities' come out into the media world. This was all the CNN and BBC propaganda of the 90s and early 00'.

Our time has still not come where the real truths and 'other side' of the story/history is surfacing, but slowly and surely it's coming.

You won't be able to live in peace until all of this is unearthed. We won't stop fighting until the rest of the world has insight into the many reasons wars broke out.

There are a lot more intellects out there than you think who don't believe mass media lies. Now more than ever there are avenues for the less published media to come to the forefront.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

30 semi-willing victims and NOT ONE SINGLE SERB. Even if these 30 were Serbs, you would still need another 300000 (yes, count the zeros) for this story to ever eclipse Serbian crimes. One Kusturica propaganda movie will not change that fact, and will not surpass the tens of other international movies made about the 90s wars.
(Shqiptar, 5 April 2013 01:24)
Exaggeration won't get you too far man. Why not say 3 gazillion Albanians were murdered by Serb who ate their brains with maple syrup. You are creative, can't you come up with any other nonsense?

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Danilo,

The ethnicity of the doctor is irrelivant, if it is proven that this turkish doctor had dealings with the kla and was in KiM or albania in 1999 during which the organ harvesting took place, it will be game, set and match for the prosecutors of the organ harvesting investigation.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

"This proves that a Kosovan Doctor "

Turkish doctor from Turkey:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=29&nav_id=76624

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

Kusturica might even interview this guy and get some juicy details that will hopefully show the world what Albanians were doing.
(trizo, 5 April 2013 09:41)

- Your whole claims are based on "might have, should have, could have" and a fictional movie made by a Serbian producer. In the mean time, hundreds of thousands of bodies, the mass graves, the concentration camps and crimes perpetrated in the name of Greater Serbia have all been documented, filmed and shown to the world.

Somehow you and some of your people try to portray themselves as victims, which to me is already a lost battle. Just keep on repeating claims of a handful of Serbs that were victimized during the wars and hopefully the world will forget about the hundreds of thousands you victimized and call it "an even war with victims on both sides". Cry me a river Trizo and good luck on getting any international sympathy.

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Ian,

Where do you supose that "kosovan doctor" got his training. The investigation will prove that the "kosovan doctor" spent his residency and fellowship in a yellow house in burel, albania

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(robert1899, 4 April 2013 15:47)

This proves that a Kosovan Doctor in May 2008 was able to remove a human organ with CONSENT from a person for the use of a transplant in return for money.

This is very different to the Serbian claim that Kosovan Guerrilla Fighters without medical backgrounds learned in two days how to extract organs fit for a transplant, by only using a rubber dummy with a hole cut out of it and filled with water and animal organs. The reason the were taught to do this according to the so-called witness Serbia has, was encase a fellow fighter required an emergency organ transplant on the battle field. Then these Guerrilla fighters would kill people for their organs and misuse their 'surgical training'.

The Medicus Clincil Case is mentioned in Dick Marty's report, but his report focuses on events which supposedly happened during 1999-2000. The The Medicus Clincil Case is a separate case.

The Medicus Clincil Case is about "Poor people from Turkey, Russia, Moldova and Kazakhstan were allegedly lured to the clinic with false promises that they would receive up to EUR 15,000 for their organs" in 2008. Whereas The Serbian claim, which is covered in Dick Marty's report is about Guerrilla fighters killing Serbs for their organs. Two very different cases.

bacco

pre 11 godina

"In the small southern Serbian town of Doljevac, the government had to intervene when local residents tried to organise and register an official agency for the sale of organs and blood. With an unemployment rate of about 50 percent, more than 3,000 people wanted to participate. Given the legal situation, many are now looking to link up to the organ trade through Bulgaria and Kosovo"

An article in the New York Times describes the inhuman situation that many Serbs now face.

The piece describes the fate of Pavel Mircov and his wife Daniella. After the 50-year-old became unemployed during the winter, the father of two children could not find a job. When his own father recently died, he was no longer able to afford a gravestone. The phone has already been cut off.

Now, Pavel and Daniella are desperately trying to find a buyer for their kidneys over the Internet. A transplant could bring nearly $40,000.

trizo

pre 11 godina

Serbian lies and propaganda?
Emir Kusturica is just a traitor and is making the movie based on lies?

You Albanians who tried to cover this up are pathetic. The truth prevails and there's a lot more in the future of where this came from.

Kusturica might even interview this guy and get some juicy details that will hopefully show the world what Albanians were doing.

Thank you universe for at least giving some justice to the victims and their families.

Thank you for pleading guilty for the crimes you participated in. At least you won't live the rest of your life with a guilty conscience, which many Albanians seem to be able to do quite easily.

He risked getting murdered by the Albanian mafia clan by pleading guilty. He might even be found dead due to unknown circumstances in a few days, who knows?

At least we're one step closer and at least Albanians can no longer defend this and call it lies.

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

(Daniel, 4 April 2013 17:04)
I'm only replying to you and not to the other ridiculous whining going on here. Yes Daniel, it is bad that some people would do this. But, really, organ trafficking in the Balkans...where are the news here?

30 semi-willing victims and NOT ONE SINGLE SERB. Even if these 30 were Serbs, you would still need another 300000 (yes, count the zeros) for this story to ever eclipse Serbian crimes. One Kusturica propaganda movie will not change that fact, and will not surpass the tens of other international movies made about the 90s wars.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

Srboljub,

Not getting killed for stating the obvious is a pretty low standard for "the most tolerant people on earth".

Serbia is definitely less tolerant than whichever western democracy you happen to live in.

Have you ever lived in Serbia?

Could you count on one hand the number of weeks you've spent in Serbia, or would you need two?

Danilo

pre 11 godina

" If there are any doubts about what some kalbs are capable of, this should dispel them. "

The doctor and clinic owner arrested was Turkish and had clinics (and criminal charges) all around the world.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

oh dear, this is what happens when a people have been so programmed to believe in bs that they can't see wood from the trees. lets try again:

this case has NOTHING to do with Dr Maty's report. nada. nul. NOT A THING. that people like SPCUK and MikeC don't see it, is down to the fact that you maybe still lack the most basic comprehension skills. there is acure for that, read a book or two

Stan

pre 11 godina

If there are any doubts about what some kalbs are capable of, this should dispel them. Just another story that leads to the Yellow House. Different cases and methods, yes, but it is all part of the same organization. If the Kalbs cant see the connection, well maybe they had their brains gouged out by those evil Serbs.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Adrian Koka kola

Did this article distort the "fine" image of you albanians? For to long you have lives of the lie that serbs are guilty to all the evils in the balkans. So this covicted albanian is innocent. Well perhaps he is but so are all those serbs in the Hague. Albanians are known all over Europe for their criminal behaviour yet you come here and deny any news that shows the truth about albanians. If B92 write propaganda why would it allow you alb fanatics to spread your crap at this forum?

koko

pre 11 godina

"Poor people from Turkey, Russia, Moldova and Kazakhstan were allegedly lured to the clinic with false promises that they would receive up to EUR 15,000 for their organs."


And those poor people who willingly chose the path, will turn out to be 600 Serbs...


It is pathetic that Serbs can turn such an international phenomenon and try to use it for their continuation of demented myths.


Legalize private healthcare practice, and get rid of this monopoly!

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

As for the "serbian propaganda" it's not propaganda these inhumane and henious crimes did happen.
(Ratko, 4 April 2013 17:00)


After all this years, and still you do not have one shred of evidence. Actually, you don't have a single name of victim from so called 'yellow house". Get a life and move on.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Of course this is no the same as the allegations from Dick Marty. HOWEVER, it's not good for any Albanian to know that this illegal organ trading took place in Pristina. It certainly makes the Marty allegations more plausible. Here you have greedy people who are tricking the poor with false promises and then extracting their internal organs for ILLEGAL sale. Perhaps some got greedier and why not extract them from prisoners for free? It's within the realm of possibility.

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Were they kidnapped?
Were they murdered?
No! People gave up their organs for money.

Trying to turn this into something else shows how desperate some Serbs are.
Don't ever underestimate the Serbs ability to over exaggerate.

What you should talk about is the orchestrated murder of children by Mladic, Karadzic, Milosevic, Hadzic, etc.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

SCP UK,

In case you're actually confused and not being intentionally disingenuous, there are two separate cases here. The Medicus clinic where people sold their kidneys and submitted willingly to surgery. This is a true thing. As you say, the doctor pleaded guilty.

Then there is the unproven, never-found-a-victim story about Serbian victims being kidnapped during war and having their organs extracted and then killed.

Ratko

pre 11 godina

@ adrian

Really albanians never committed any crimes? You only carried out an aggression against Serbia from albania uck + albanian army + nato special forces on ground + nato attacks from air. Who the hell do you think you are? Serbs need to apologize for their crimes bla bla bla go get a life!

As for the "serbian propaganda" it's not propaganda these inhumane and henious crimes did happen.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

No actually Nikolle it is the same, its all part of the wider organ trafficking case. You people spend so much time commenting on a Serbian site denying the truth of the case yet this happens and you're trying to come up with more rubbish to dodge the issue, face it and stop with the lies please it is so boring.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

What? No Albos commenting that it's all just propaganda? Maybe hell froze over today while I was asleep...
(Maso, 4 April 2013 14:39)

Did you bother to read the article?

adrian kola

pre 11 godina

"The Medicus Clincil, which was closed in 2008 when the investigation started, is also mentioned in Council of Europe (CoE) Special Rapporteur Dick Marty’s report on the involvement of the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in trafficking of organs of kidnapped Serbs and other prisoners in 1999."

The allegation is nothing but a vicious smear, anti-Albanian campaign propogated by Serbia's cronies and stooges. Soon everything will come to light and Belgrade's deluded nationalists will invent another crime committed by KLA just to hide their hideous atrocities against Albanian women and children.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

different cases Maso. this is Dr Marty's allegation: that some, Serbs, Albanians & Roma were murdered for their organs. this here is something else. if you can't see that, i can't help you

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Listen up boys and girls, this case demonstates that the technology and knowledge of organ transplanting was held by k albanians. With this admission of guilt the EU and the US have no choice but to expand the investigation into the allegations brought on by Mr. Marty and Ms. Del Ponte or they lose credibility.

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Listen up boys and girls, this case demonstates that the technology and knowledge of organ transplanting was held by k albanians. With this admission of guilt the EU and the US have no choice but to expand the investigation into the allegations brought on by Mr. Marty and Ms. Del Ponte or they lose credibility.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

No actually Nikolle it is the same, its all part of the wider organ trafficking case. You people spend so much time commenting on a Serbian site denying the truth of the case yet this happens and you're trying to come up with more rubbish to dodge the issue, face it and stop with the lies please it is so boring.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

different cases Maso. this is Dr Marty's allegation: that some, Serbs, Albanians & Roma were murdered for their organs. this here is something else. if you can't see that, i can't help you

Ratko

pre 11 godina

@ adrian

Really albanians never committed any crimes? You only carried out an aggression against Serbia from albania uck + albanian army + nato special forces on ground + nato attacks from air. Who the hell do you think you are? Serbs need to apologize for their crimes bla bla bla go get a life!

As for the "serbian propaganda" it's not propaganda these inhumane and henious crimes did happen.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Adrian Koka kola

Did this article distort the "fine" image of you albanians? For to long you have lives of the lie that serbs are guilty to all the evils in the balkans. So this covicted albanian is innocent. Well perhaps he is but so are all those serbs in the Hague. Albanians are known all over Europe for their criminal behaviour yet you come here and deny any news that shows the truth about albanians. If B92 write propaganda why would it allow you alb fanatics to spread your crap at this forum?

adrian kola

pre 11 godina

"The Medicus Clincil, which was closed in 2008 when the investigation started, is also mentioned in Council of Europe (CoE) Special Rapporteur Dick Marty’s report on the involvement of the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in trafficking of organs of kidnapped Serbs and other prisoners in 1999."

The allegation is nothing but a vicious smear, anti-Albanian campaign propogated by Serbia's cronies and stooges. Soon everything will come to light and Belgrade's deluded nationalists will invent another crime committed by KLA just to hide their hideous atrocities against Albanian women and children.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Of course this is no the same as the allegations from Dick Marty. HOWEVER, it's not good for any Albanian to know that this illegal organ trading took place in Pristina. It certainly makes the Marty allegations more plausible. Here you have greedy people who are tricking the poor with false promises and then extracting their internal organs for ILLEGAL sale. Perhaps some got greedier and why not extract them from prisoners for free? It's within the realm of possibility.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

SCP UK,

In case you're actually confused and not being intentionally disingenuous, there are two separate cases here. The Medicus clinic where people sold their kidneys and submitted willingly to surgery. This is a true thing. As you say, the doctor pleaded guilty.

Then there is the unproven, never-found-a-victim story about Serbian victims being kidnapped during war and having their organs extracted and then killed.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

What? No Albos commenting that it's all just propaganda? Maybe hell froze over today while I was asleep...
(Maso, 4 April 2013 14:39)

Did you bother to read the article?

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Were they kidnapped?
Were they murdered?
No! People gave up their organs for money.

Trying to turn this into something else shows how desperate some Serbs are.
Don't ever underestimate the Serbs ability to over exaggerate.

What you should talk about is the orchestrated murder of children by Mladic, Karadzic, Milosevic, Hadzic, etc.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

oh dear, this is what happens when a people have been so programmed to believe in bs that they can't see wood from the trees. lets try again:

this case has NOTHING to do with Dr Maty's report. nada. nul. NOT A THING. that people like SPCUK and MikeC don't see it, is down to the fact that you maybe still lack the most basic comprehension skills. there is acure for that, read a book or two

Stan

pre 11 godina

If there are any doubts about what some kalbs are capable of, this should dispel them. Just another story that leads to the Yellow House. Different cases and methods, yes, but it is all part of the same organization. If the Kalbs cant see the connection, well maybe they had their brains gouged out by those evil Serbs.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

As for the "serbian propaganda" it's not propaganda these inhumane and henious crimes did happen.
(Ratko, 4 April 2013 17:00)


After all this years, and still you do not have one shred of evidence. Actually, you don't have a single name of victim from so called 'yellow house". Get a life and move on.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

" If there are any doubts about what some kalbs are capable of, this should dispel them. "

The doctor and clinic owner arrested was Turkish and had clinics (and criminal charges) all around the world.

koko

pre 11 godina

"Poor people from Turkey, Russia, Moldova and Kazakhstan were allegedly lured to the clinic with false promises that they would receive up to EUR 15,000 for their organs."


And those poor people who willingly chose the path, will turn out to be 600 Serbs...


It is pathetic that Serbs can turn such an international phenomenon and try to use it for their continuation of demented myths.


Legalize private healthcare practice, and get rid of this monopoly!

trizo

pre 11 godina

Serbian lies and propaganda?
Emir Kusturica is just a traitor and is making the movie based on lies?

You Albanians who tried to cover this up are pathetic. The truth prevails and there's a lot more in the future of where this came from.

Kusturica might even interview this guy and get some juicy details that will hopefully show the world what Albanians were doing.

Thank you universe for at least giving some justice to the victims and their families.

Thank you for pleading guilty for the crimes you participated in. At least you won't live the rest of your life with a guilty conscience, which many Albanians seem to be able to do quite easily.

He risked getting murdered by the Albanian mafia clan by pleading guilty. He might even be found dead due to unknown circumstances in a few days, who knows?

At least we're one step closer and at least Albanians can no longer defend this and call it lies.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

Srboljub,

Not getting killed for stating the obvious is a pretty low standard for "the most tolerant people on earth".

Serbia is definitely less tolerant than whichever western democracy you happen to live in.

Have you ever lived in Serbia?

Could you count on one hand the number of weeks you've spent in Serbia, or would you need two?

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

(Daniel, 4 April 2013 17:04)
I'm only replying to you and not to the other ridiculous whining going on here. Yes Daniel, it is bad that some people would do this. But, really, organ trafficking in the Balkans...where are the news here?

30 semi-willing victims and NOT ONE SINGLE SERB. Even if these 30 were Serbs, you would still need another 300000 (yes, count the zeros) for this story to ever eclipse Serbian crimes. One Kusturica propaganda movie will not change that fact, and will not surpass the tens of other international movies made about the 90s wars.

bacco

pre 11 godina

"In the small southern Serbian town of Doljevac, the government had to intervene when local residents tried to organise and register an official agency for the sale of organs and blood. With an unemployment rate of about 50 percent, more than 3,000 people wanted to participate. Given the legal situation, many are now looking to link up to the organ trade through Bulgaria and Kosovo"

An article in the New York Times describes the inhuman situation that many Serbs now face.

The piece describes the fate of Pavel Mircov and his wife Daniella. After the 50-year-old became unemployed during the winter, the father of two children could not find a job. When his own father recently died, he was no longer able to afford a gravestone. The phone has already been cut off.

Now, Pavel and Daniella are desperately trying to find a buyer for their kidneys over the Internet. A transplant could bring nearly $40,000.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(robert1899, 4 April 2013 15:47)

This proves that a Kosovan Doctor in May 2008 was able to remove a human organ with CONSENT from a person for the use of a transplant in return for money.

This is very different to the Serbian claim that Kosovan Guerrilla Fighters without medical backgrounds learned in two days how to extract organs fit for a transplant, by only using a rubber dummy with a hole cut out of it and filled with water and animal organs. The reason the were taught to do this according to the so-called witness Serbia has, was encase a fellow fighter required an emergency organ transplant on the battle field. Then these Guerrilla fighters would kill people for their organs and misuse their 'surgical training'.

The Medicus Clincil Case is mentioned in Dick Marty's report, but his report focuses on events which supposedly happened during 1999-2000. The The Medicus Clincil Case is a separate case.

The Medicus Clincil Case is about "Poor people from Turkey, Russia, Moldova and Kazakhstan were allegedly lured to the clinic with false promises that they would receive up to EUR 15,000 for their organs" in 2008. Whereas The Serbian claim, which is covered in Dick Marty's report is about Guerrilla fighters killing Serbs for their organs. Two very different cases.

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

Kusturica might even interview this guy and get some juicy details that will hopefully show the world what Albanians were doing.
(trizo, 5 April 2013 09:41)

- Your whole claims are based on "might have, should have, could have" and a fictional movie made by a Serbian producer. In the mean time, hundreds of thousands of bodies, the mass graves, the concentration camps and crimes perpetrated in the name of Greater Serbia have all been documented, filmed and shown to the world.

Somehow you and some of your people try to portray themselves as victims, which to me is already a lost battle. Just keep on repeating claims of a handful of Serbs that were victimized during the wars and hopefully the world will forget about the hundreds of thousands you victimized and call it "an even war with victims on both sides". Cry me a river Trizo and good luck on getting any international sympathy.

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Ian,

Where do you supose that "kosovan doctor" got his training. The investigation will prove that the "kosovan doctor" spent his residency and fellowship in a yellow house in burel, albania

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Danilo,

The ethnicity of the doctor is irrelivant, if it is proven that this turkish doctor had dealings with the kla and was in KiM or albania in 1999 during which the organ harvesting took place, it will be game, set and match for the prosecutors of the organ harvesting investigation.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

"This proves that a Kosovan Doctor "

Turkish doctor from Turkey:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=29&nav_id=76624

Daniel

pre 11 godina

30 semi-willing victims and NOT ONE SINGLE SERB. Even if these 30 were Serbs, you would still need another 300000 (yes, count the zeros) for this story to ever eclipse Serbian crimes. One Kusturica propaganda movie will not change that fact, and will not surpass the tens of other international movies made about the 90s wars.
(Shqiptar, 5 April 2013 01:24)
Exaggeration won't get you too far man. Why not say 3 gazillion Albanians were murdered by Serb who ate their brains with maple syrup. You are creative, can't you come up with any other nonsense?

trizo

pre 11 godina

Just keep on repeating claims of a handful of Serbs that were victimized during the wars and hopefully the world will forget about the hundreds of thousands you victimized and call it "an even war with victims on both sides". Cry me a river Trizo and good luck on getting any international sympathy.
(Shqiptar, 5 April 2013 15:49)

The problem for you is that any foreign person with no bias to this matter will clearly come across enough evidence from various resources to see that what you have said is ridiculous.

Maybe Albanians don't see Serbs as victims and Americans don't see them as victims but many people from other countries know what happened. All sides had victims. You guys waged war on us first and we just came and kicked your KLA to the ground. Then we were bombed by NATO from the air forcing us to retreat.

You've already had your 'information' of Serb 'atrocities' come out into the media world. This was all the CNN and BBC propaganda of the 90s and early 00'.

Our time has still not come where the real truths and 'other side' of the story/history is surfacing, but slowly and surely it's coming.

You won't be able to live in peace until all of this is unearthed. We won't stop fighting until the rest of the world has insight into the many reasons wars broke out.

There are a lot more intellects out there than you think who don't believe mass media lies. Now more than ever there are avenues for the less published media to come to the forefront.

nenad

pre 11 godina

over history every single empire has fallen the persians , romans ,the ottomans,america your day is near and when this does happen europe will change for the better of man kind the 4 c's will fly over kosovo forever

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

@ Trizo

"Maybe Albanians don't see Serbs as victims and Americans don't see them as victims but many people from other countries know what happened."

- Many people from other countries? Who? Russia, Greece? They would support you even if you invaded Italy! Good thing the rest of the world knows what kind of standards and "values" your supporters have. You don't think anybody sees what happens in these countries and how things are done there?

"You've already had your 'information' of Serb 'atrocities' come out into the media world. This was all the CNN and BBC propaganda of the 90s and early 00'."

- CNN and BBC are "news" channels and these aren't news anymore. There are still plenty of documentaries and special reports that document what happened.

"There are a lot more intellects out there than you think who don't believe mass media lies."

- What lies? We all saw the footage from the concentration camps. We all saw Srebrenica, Racak, we have all seen the footage of killed babies, women and elderly. These were all "KLA" to you I'm sure. Anyways we won't have to argue anymore. On Monday your government will recognize Kosova in its current borders and then maybe you'll start understanding who was at fault. Soon afterwards (I'll give it a year or two) before Serbia joins the EU, they will also apologize for all the war crimes.

You are just whining Trizo, nothing else. I'm done babysitting and pacifying you, you need adult supervision.

Joe Banana

pre 11 godina

Whereas The Serbian claim, which is covered in Dick Marty's report is about Guerrilla fighters killing Serbs for their organs. Two very different cases.
(Ian, UK, 5 April 2013 14:45)

The Serbian claim? Serbians did not claim to know anything that Carla Del Ponte did not know and Dick Marty did not find during his investigation.

You would be even more happier than Snake-Thaci if nothing is found. Lets see how much will be biased this investigation led by America prosecutor. I am sure that investigation is already obstructed by US, UK and countries which recognized Kosovo's UDI.

adrian kola

pre 11 godina

"The Medicus Clincil, which was closed in 2008 when the investigation started, is also mentioned in Council of Europe (CoE) Special Rapporteur Dick Marty’s report on the involvement of the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in trafficking of organs of kidnapped Serbs and other prisoners in 1999."

The allegation is nothing but a vicious smear, anti-Albanian campaign propogated by Serbia's cronies and stooges. Soon everything will come to light and Belgrade's deluded nationalists will invent another crime committed by KLA just to hide their hideous atrocities against Albanian women and children.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

different cases Maso. this is Dr Marty's allegation: that some, Serbs, Albanians & Roma were murdered for their organs. this here is something else. if you can't see that, i can't help you

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Were they kidnapped?
Were they murdered?
No! People gave up their organs for money.

Trying to turn this into something else shows how desperate some Serbs are.
Don't ever underestimate the Serbs ability to over exaggerate.

What you should talk about is the orchestrated murder of children by Mladic, Karadzic, Milosevic, Hadzic, etc.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

As for the "serbian propaganda" it's not propaganda these inhumane and henious crimes did happen.
(Ratko, 4 April 2013 17:00)


After all this years, and still you do not have one shred of evidence. Actually, you don't have a single name of victim from so called 'yellow house". Get a life and move on.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

What? No Albos commenting that it's all just propaganda? Maybe hell froze over today while I was asleep...
(Maso, 4 April 2013 14:39)

Did you bother to read the article?

Danilo

pre 11 godina

SCP UK,

In case you're actually confused and not being intentionally disingenuous, there are two separate cases here. The Medicus clinic where people sold their kidneys and submitted willingly to surgery. This is a true thing. As you say, the doctor pleaded guilty.

Then there is the unproven, never-found-a-victim story about Serbian victims being kidnapped during war and having their organs extracted and then killed.

koko

pre 11 godina

"Poor people from Turkey, Russia, Moldova and Kazakhstan were allegedly lured to the clinic with false promises that they would receive up to EUR 15,000 for their organs."


And those poor people who willingly chose the path, will turn out to be 600 Serbs...


It is pathetic that Serbs can turn such an international phenomenon and try to use it for their continuation of demented myths.


Legalize private healthcare practice, and get rid of this monopoly!

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

oh dear, this is what happens when a people have been so programmed to believe in bs that they can't see wood from the trees. lets try again:

this case has NOTHING to do with Dr Maty's report. nada. nul. NOT A THING. that people like SPCUK and MikeC don't see it, is down to the fact that you maybe still lack the most basic comprehension skills. there is acure for that, read a book or two

Danilo

pre 11 godina

Srboljub,

Not getting killed for stating the obvious is a pretty low standard for "the most tolerant people on earth".

Serbia is definitely less tolerant than whichever western democracy you happen to live in.

Have you ever lived in Serbia?

Could you count on one hand the number of weeks you've spent in Serbia, or would you need two?

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Listen up boys and girls, this case demonstates that the technology and knowledge of organ transplanting was held by k albanians. With this admission of guilt the EU and the US have no choice but to expand the investigation into the allegations brought on by Mr. Marty and Ms. Del Ponte or they lose credibility.

Ratko

pre 11 godina

@ adrian

Really albanians never committed any crimes? You only carried out an aggression against Serbia from albania uck + albanian army + nato special forces on ground + nato attacks from air. Who the hell do you think you are? Serbs need to apologize for their crimes bla bla bla go get a life!

As for the "serbian propaganda" it's not propaganda these inhumane and henious crimes did happen.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

No actually Nikolle it is the same, its all part of the wider organ trafficking case. You people spend so much time commenting on a Serbian site denying the truth of the case yet this happens and you're trying to come up with more rubbish to dodge the issue, face it and stop with the lies please it is so boring.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Adrian Koka kola

Did this article distort the "fine" image of you albanians? For to long you have lives of the lie that serbs are guilty to all the evils in the balkans. So this covicted albanian is innocent. Well perhaps he is but so are all those serbs in the Hague. Albanians are known all over Europe for their criminal behaviour yet you come here and deny any news that shows the truth about albanians. If B92 write propaganda why would it allow you alb fanatics to spread your crap at this forum?

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

(Daniel, 4 April 2013 17:04)
I'm only replying to you and not to the other ridiculous whining going on here. Yes Daniel, it is bad that some people would do this. But, really, organ trafficking in the Balkans...where are the news here?

30 semi-willing victims and NOT ONE SINGLE SERB. Even if these 30 were Serbs, you would still need another 300000 (yes, count the zeros) for this story to ever eclipse Serbian crimes. One Kusturica propaganda movie will not change that fact, and will not surpass the tens of other international movies made about the 90s wars.

Stan

pre 11 godina

If there are any doubts about what some kalbs are capable of, this should dispel them. Just another story that leads to the Yellow House. Different cases and methods, yes, but it is all part of the same organization. If the Kalbs cant see the connection, well maybe they had their brains gouged out by those evil Serbs.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Of course this is no the same as the allegations from Dick Marty. HOWEVER, it's not good for any Albanian to know that this illegal organ trading took place in Pristina. It certainly makes the Marty allegations more plausible. Here you have greedy people who are tricking the poor with false promises and then extracting their internal organs for ILLEGAL sale. Perhaps some got greedier and why not extract them from prisoners for free? It's within the realm of possibility.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

" If there are any doubts about what some kalbs are capable of, this should dispel them. "

The doctor and clinic owner arrested was Turkish and had clinics (and criminal charges) all around the world.

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

Kusturica might even interview this guy and get some juicy details that will hopefully show the world what Albanians were doing.
(trizo, 5 April 2013 09:41)

- Your whole claims are based on "might have, should have, could have" and a fictional movie made by a Serbian producer. In the mean time, hundreds of thousands of bodies, the mass graves, the concentration camps and crimes perpetrated in the name of Greater Serbia have all been documented, filmed and shown to the world.

Somehow you and some of your people try to portray themselves as victims, which to me is already a lost battle. Just keep on repeating claims of a handful of Serbs that were victimized during the wars and hopefully the world will forget about the hundreds of thousands you victimized and call it "an even war with victims on both sides". Cry me a river Trizo and good luck on getting any international sympathy.

trizo

pre 11 godina

Serbian lies and propaganda?
Emir Kusturica is just a traitor and is making the movie based on lies?

You Albanians who tried to cover this up are pathetic. The truth prevails and there's a lot more in the future of where this came from.

Kusturica might even interview this guy and get some juicy details that will hopefully show the world what Albanians were doing.

Thank you universe for at least giving some justice to the victims and their families.

Thank you for pleading guilty for the crimes you participated in. At least you won't live the rest of your life with a guilty conscience, which many Albanians seem to be able to do quite easily.

He risked getting murdered by the Albanian mafia clan by pleading guilty. He might even be found dead due to unknown circumstances in a few days, who knows?

At least we're one step closer and at least Albanians can no longer defend this and call it lies.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(robert1899, 4 April 2013 15:47)

This proves that a Kosovan Doctor in May 2008 was able to remove a human organ with CONSENT from a person for the use of a transplant in return for money.

This is very different to the Serbian claim that Kosovan Guerrilla Fighters without medical backgrounds learned in two days how to extract organs fit for a transplant, by only using a rubber dummy with a hole cut out of it and filled with water and animal organs. The reason the were taught to do this according to the so-called witness Serbia has, was encase a fellow fighter required an emergency organ transplant on the battle field. Then these Guerrilla fighters would kill people for their organs and misuse their 'surgical training'.

The Medicus Clincil Case is mentioned in Dick Marty's report, but his report focuses on events which supposedly happened during 1999-2000. The The Medicus Clincil Case is a separate case.

The Medicus Clincil Case is about "Poor people from Turkey, Russia, Moldova and Kazakhstan were allegedly lured to the clinic with false promises that they would receive up to EUR 15,000 for their organs" in 2008. Whereas The Serbian claim, which is covered in Dick Marty's report is about Guerrilla fighters killing Serbs for their organs. Two very different cases.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

"This proves that a Kosovan Doctor "

Turkish doctor from Turkey:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=29&nav_id=76624

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Ian,

Where do you supose that "kosovan doctor" got his training. The investigation will prove that the "kosovan doctor" spent his residency and fellowship in a yellow house in burel, albania

Daniel

pre 11 godina

30 semi-willing victims and NOT ONE SINGLE SERB. Even if these 30 were Serbs, you would still need another 300000 (yes, count the zeros) for this story to ever eclipse Serbian crimes. One Kusturica propaganda movie will not change that fact, and will not surpass the tens of other international movies made about the 90s wars.
(Shqiptar, 5 April 2013 01:24)
Exaggeration won't get you too far man. Why not say 3 gazillion Albanians were murdered by Serb who ate their brains with maple syrup. You are creative, can't you come up with any other nonsense?

bacco

pre 11 godina

"In the small southern Serbian town of Doljevac, the government had to intervene when local residents tried to organise and register an official agency for the sale of organs and blood. With an unemployment rate of about 50 percent, more than 3,000 people wanted to participate. Given the legal situation, many are now looking to link up to the organ trade through Bulgaria and Kosovo"

An article in the New York Times describes the inhuman situation that many Serbs now face.

The piece describes the fate of Pavel Mircov and his wife Daniella. After the 50-year-old became unemployed during the winter, the father of two children could not find a job. When his own father recently died, he was no longer able to afford a gravestone. The phone has already been cut off.

Now, Pavel and Daniella are desperately trying to find a buyer for their kidneys over the Internet. A transplant could bring nearly $40,000.

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Danilo,

The ethnicity of the doctor is irrelivant, if it is proven that this turkish doctor had dealings with the kla and was in KiM or albania in 1999 during which the organ harvesting took place, it will be game, set and match for the prosecutors of the organ harvesting investigation.

trizo

pre 11 godina

Just keep on repeating claims of a handful of Serbs that were victimized during the wars and hopefully the world will forget about the hundreds of thousands you victimized and call it "an even war with victims on both sides". Cry me a river Trizo and good luck on getting any international sympathy.
(Shqiptar, 5 April 2013 15:49)

The problem for you is that any foreign person with no bias to this matter will clearly come across enough evidence from various resources to see that what you have said is ridiculous.

Maybe Albanians don't see Serbs as victims and Americans don't see them as victims but many people from other countries know what happened. All sides had victims. You guys waged war on us first and we just came and kicked your KLA to the ground. Then we were bombed by NATO from the air forcing us to retreat.

You've already had your 'information' of Serb 'atrocities' come out into the media world. This was all the CNN and BBC propaganda of the 90s and early 00'.

Our time has still not come where the real truths and 'other side' of the story/history is surfacing, but slowly and surely it's coming.

You won't be able to live in peace until all of this is unearthed. We won't stop fighting until the rest of the world has insight into the many reasons wars broke out.

There are a lot more intellects out there than you think who don't believe mass media lies. Now more than ever there are avenues for the less published media to come to the forefront.

nenad

pre 11 godina

over history every single empire has fallen the persians , romans ,the ottomans,america your day is near and when this does happen europe will change for the better of man kind the 4 c's will fly over kosovo forever

Shqiptar

pre 11 godina

@ Trizo

"Maybe Albanians don't see Serbs as victims and Americans don't see them as victims but many people from other countries know what happened."

- Many people from other countries? Who? Russia, Greece? They would support you even if you invaded Italy! Good thing the rest of the world knows what kind of standards and "values" your supporters have. You don't think anybody sees what happens in these countries and how things are done there?

"You've already had your 'information' of Serb 'atrocities' come out into the media world. This was all the CNN and BBC propaganda of the 90s and early 00'."

- CNN and BBC are "news" channels and these aren't news anymore. There are still plenty of documentaries and special reports that document what happened.

"There are a lot more intellects out there than you think who don't believe mass media lies."

- What lies? We all saw the footage from the concentration camps. We all saw Srebrenica, Racak, we have all seen the footage of killed babies, women and elderly. These were all "KLA" to you I'm sure. Anyways we won't have to argue anymore. On Monday your government will recognize Kosova in its current borders and then maybe you'll start understanding who was at fault. Soon afterwards (I'll give it a year or two) before Serbia joins the EU, they will also apologize for all the war crimes.

You are just whining Trizo, nothing else. I'm done babysitting and pacifying you, you need adult supervision.

Joe Banana

pre 11 godina

Whereas The Serbian claim, which is covered in Dick Marty's report is about Guerrilla fighters killing Serbs for their organs. Two very different cases.
(Ian, UK, 5 April 2013 14:45)

The Serbian claim? Serbians did not claim to know anything that Carla Del Ponte did not know and Dick Marty did not find during his investigation.

You would be even more happier than Snake-Thaci if nothing is found. Lets see how much will be biased this investigation led by America prosecutor. I am sure that investigation is already obstructed by US, UK and countries which recognized Kosovo's UDI.