Ashton proposes “interim EU administration for north”

Surely the serbs can c the conclusion, blind Freddy can c this one a mile away.. Pristinas allies want to rule the north.... With what's happening in Greece, Cyprus and now this.. .. How about Russia runs the north, and the EU can govern Pristina... Is that not fair?

Albanian says, Serbia will throw in the white towel, why? Serbs in the North of KiM do not want to be ruled by Albanians, as their security and future there would be extremely jeopardized. Are you going to tell me that if Albanians establish their rule and police force in the North, that they would not discriminate and abuse the Serbs there? Get real. Allowing Albanian presence there would be signing their own death sentence for the Serbs. They would either stay and live under harsh conditions, or they would flee, or be ethnically cleansed from Kosovo. You know that that would be the scenario. IMHO, allow the Serbs in the North to decide what they want, and respect that. The rest of Serbia would stand behind them. As for this proposal by Ashton, creating a temporary situation like in a part of Bosnia, is a slow death, and ridiculous.

Just as we all knew, Serbia is about to throw the white towel and give up. It can no longer produce lies and manipulations.

Ari- I want to see your funny response to this topic lol.

Serbia should demand the most democratic way to solve the issue of North Kosovo. Let the people decide. Nothing can be more democratic than that. People in the North are going to be directly affected with whatever solution is agreed on, so let them decide. No democratic country in the world can deny them that right.

An "interim administration for the north"? That's pretty much a realization that the north is on its way towards functional autonomy whatever the outcome in Kosovo. I like the "until it accepted Kosovo’s laws". That was probably thrown in there to mollify Thaci into thinking there's a light at the end of some tunnel. Say what you want, the north will be Kosovo's RS :)

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. All of a sudden everyone's scrambling for some solution that *has* to be found by next Tuesday. Why? Serbia has been "out" of the EU all its life, so why now? You really think, with all the rhetoric of Serbia "belonging in the EU", and "deserving membership" and all that blah blah that Brussels is going to close the door to Belgrade after they reject - again - another one of the "take it or leave it" proposals? When has the EU ever acted that decisively? And let's also be clear on one other thing: no agreement/no EU date for Belgrade, but no agreement/no SAA status for Kosovo. Pristina has just as much to lose in this constructed dilemma as Belgrade. Thaci can and probably will be put out to pasture by the US after he's done doing what they want, but the overwhelming majority of Kosovo's inhabitants who desperately want a better life, will be collectively screwed if their government isn't flexible.

Think of it this way: no functioning Serbian Assembly for 10 Serbian ethnographic municipal oddities, no SAA and no future for Kosovo beyond the frozen conflict it is.

Isn't the whole Kosovo in its current state an interim solution, and the current government there an interim administration?

Take it from me. Don't have an interim-EU mission. Make it a UN mission, OSCE mission, CoE mission or even a Russian one.

EULEX was supposed to be status neutral and it screwed up royally. The EU office is even worse.

The EU wants a negotiation agreement at all costs says Catherine Ashton.

To the Serbs that is. Brussels sponsored ethnic cleansing. They've already done that with 250,000 roma, serbs and others.

"Are you going to tell me that if Albanians establish their rule and police force in the North, that they would not discriminate and abuse the Serbs there? Get real. "
(winston, 4 April 2013 14:33)

Yes, KPS has shown several times how 'professional' they act. Torturing prisoners is only the tip of the iceberg, not to mention the permanent downplaying of ethnical motivated crimes and the unwillingness or incompetence to find any perpetrators of crimes against Serbs and their property.

KPS and their actions against Serbs are not much different than Serbian police and their actions against Albanians under Milosevic.

KPS and their actions against Serbs are not much different than Serbian police and their actions against Albanians under Milosevic.
(Comm. Parrison, 4 April 2013 16:55)

LOL, your bs is getting funnier and funnier every day. Next, we will see NATO bomb Prishtina for violation of human rights, correct? And all that wonderful stuff of the nineties culminating with 1998-1999, correct?

i think it's a good idea actually, because serbs will not accept kosovo institutions any time soon, it might take them a decade, it will be the EU and prishtina's problem to solve while serbia is out and get the date

KPS and their actions against Serbs are not much different than Serbian police and their actions against Albanians under Milosevic.
(Comm. Parrison, 4 April 2013 16:55)
There was a day when even though I did not agree with some of your comments I felt that they were intelligently put together, not any more. There is NO comparison in these 2.

Serbia should demand the most democratic way to solve the issue of North Kosovo. Let the people decide. Nothing can be more democratic than that. People in the North are going to be directly affected with whatever solution is agreed on, so let them decide. No democratic country in the world can deny them that right.
(Teslavio, 4 April 2013 13:56)

I agree why Serbia did not allow Kosovo to do that when we did referendum in 1990?

Then will Serbia allow referendum in Sandjak, Presevo vally.

I have a question how can Serbs south live under Kosovo rule and not leaving even they are majority of Serb population but Norht they can not.

North is issue as 40% are refugees from Croatia and they are not having it any more I feel bad they got duped in 1990s and they are not giving in second time around.

Balkan Anthropologist, 4 April 2013 15:33)
If ever there was a genetic gift given to a group of people it would have to be that of the Serbs. It seems almost exclusive that they have the ability to twist every negative thing in their mind in such a way as to fool themselves that is actually a good thing. They can convince themselves that if it is bad for them it is worse for someone else. It is a great psych mechanism that should be studied. If we could harness it we would be able to save many a person from that bridge jump.

Teslavio if you interpret democracy as "let the 3 neighborhoods decide"........

THEN.....by the same token we need to let everyone DECIDE.........

Hungarian-Vojvodina

Sanxhak

Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc

Basicly all of Serbia's MINORITIES also should be able to DECIDE where their future awaits.

I agree with your concept of Democracy if you also apply it to YOURSELF.

If ever there was a genetic gift given to a group of people it would have to be that of the Serbs. It seems almost exclusive that they have the ability to twist every negative thing in their mind in such a way as to fool themselves that is actually a good thing.
(amazing, 4 April 2013 22:29)

Prove what I've said wrong. Five years ago we were presented with a "fair accompli". Five years later, we're negotiating over an already agreed upon autonomous administration for Kosovo Serbs, with northern Kosovo as its political core - you know, that area that for years was predicted to collapse amid "realities on the ground". Amazing what a few barricades by ordinary people can do.

We've been resilient little bastards over the centuries, haven't we? True we haven't gotten everything we've wanted, but we've been able to annoy the world around us to take us seriously from time to time. We've put up with worse than what the American sock puppets in Pristina are huffing and puffing :)

Think of it this way: no functioning Serbian Assembly for 10 Serbian ethnographic municipal oddities, no SAA and no future for Kosovo beyond the frozen conflict it is.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 April 2013 15:33)

Kosovo's SAA is EU's to decide not Serbia's, at least if and until Serbia becomes an EU member. As for Kosovo being a frozen conflict, Kosovo has no conflict with anybody - it solved it in 1999. If Serbia wants something to have a conflict with, I'm sure that some windmills can be found for that purpose together with refrigerators for the freezing part :)

Teslavio if you interpret democracy as "let the 3 neighborhoods decide"........

THEN.....by the same token we need to let everyone DECIDE.........

Hungarian-Vojvodina

Sanxhak

Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc

Basicly all of Serbia's MINORITIES also should be able to DECIDE where their future awaits.

I agree with your concept of Democracy if you also apply it to YOURSELF.
(azir, 5 April 2013 01:56)

705 of the population in Vojvodina are serbs. What is Sanxhak?Why do u always mention Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja need I to remind you that serbs are majority in Bujanovac and Medvedja and in Presevo its 50/50?

Daniel my comment went completely over your head........

Once again........

WHAT IF SERBIA TRIED THEIR HARDEST TO NOT BE HYPOCRITES

WHEN THEY DEMAND SPECIAL ,EXECUTIVE,AND UNHEARD OF RIGHTS FOR THEIR PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRY BUT REFUSE TO DO THE SAME FOR HER OWN MINORITIES......

GET IT NOW??

Peggy why are we so stubborn?

America and 98 countries recognize Kosova's Independence.
With many more to follow.

Serb INAT will get you nowhere.

Did you understand that Serbia can prove they aren't hypocrites by granting equal rights to Albanians in Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc as the North Kosovar-Serbs have in Kosova.

Tuesday for Serbia is DO OR DIE.

WHEN THEY DEMAND SPECIAL ,EXECUTIVE,AND UNHEARD OF RIGHTS FOR THEIR PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRY BUT REFUSE TO DO THE SAME FOR HER OWN MINORITIES......

GET IT NOW??
(azir, 5 April 2013 16:14)
=================================

KOSOVO IS NOT A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY BUT A PROVINCE OF SERBIA.

GET IT NOW??????????

Why are we shouting?

Peggy .......the United States and 98 others countries don't agree with you.

The majority of the world with more recognitions to come prove you wrong.

Why doesn't your PM Dacic just come out and declare our Kosova your "province" during EU peace talks?

Serbia will never enter the EU and not because of the Kosovars but because of the Croatians.

Peggy .......the United States and 98 others countries don't agree with you.

The majority of the world with more recognitions to come prove you wrong.

Why doesn't your PM Dacic just come out and declare our Kosova your "province" during EU peace talks?

Serbia will never enter the EU and not because of the Kosovars but because of the Croatians.

Just as we all knew, Serbia is about to throw the white towel and give up. It can no longer produce lies and manipulations.

Ari- I want to see your funny response to this topic lol.

Surely the serbs can c the conclusion, blind Freddy can c this one a mile away.. Pristinas allies want to rule the north.... With what's happening in Greece, Cyprus and now this.. .. How about Russia runs the north, and the EU can govern Pristina... Is that not fair?

Isn't the whole Kosovo in its current state an interim solution, and the current government there an interim administration?

"Are you going to tell me that if Albanians establish their rule and police force in the North, that they would not discriminate and abuse the Serbs there? Get real. "
(winston, 4 April 2013 14:33)

Yes, KPS has shown several times how 'professional' they act. Torturing prisoners is only the tip of the iceberg, not to mention the permanent downplaying of ethnical motivated crimes and the unwillingness or incompetence to find any perpetrators of crimes against Serbs and their property.

KPS and their actions against Serbs are not much different than Serbian police and their actions against Albanians under Milosevic.

Serbia should demand the most democratic way to solve the issue of North Kosovo. Let the people decide. Nothing can be more democratic than that. People in the North are going to be directly affected with whatever solution is agreed on, so let them decide. No democratic country in the world can deny them that right.

Take it from me. Don't have an interim-EU mission. Make it a UN mission, OSCE mission, CoE mission or even a Russian one.

EULEX was supposed to be status neutral and it screwed up royally. The EU office is even worse.

The EU wants a negotiation agreement at all costs says Catherine Ashton.

To the Serbs that is. Brussels sponsored ethnic cleansing. They've already done that with 250,000 roma, serbs and others.

Albanian says, Serbia will throw in the white towel, why? Serbs in the North of KiM do not want to be ruled by Albanians, as their security and future there would be extremely jeopardized. Are you going to tell me that if Albanians establish their rule and police force in the North, that they would not discriminate and abuse the Serbs there? Get real. Allowing Albanian presence there would be signing their own death sentence for the Serbs. They would either stay and live under harsh conditions, or they would flee, or be ethnically cleansed from Kosovo. You know that that would be the scenario. IMHO, allow the Serbs in the North to decide what they want, and respect that. The rest of Serbia would stand behind them. As for this proposal by Ashton, creating a temporary situation like in a part of Bosnia, is a slow death, and ridiculous.

An "interim administration for the north"? That's pretty much a realization that the north is on its way towards functional autonomy whatever the outcome in Kosovo. I like the "until it accepted Kosovo’s laws". That was probably thrown in there to mollify Thaci into thinking there's a light at the end of some tunnel. Say what you want, the north will be Kosovo's RS :)

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. All of a sudden everyone's scrambling for some solution that *has* to be found by next Tuesday. Why? Serbia has been "out" of the EU all its life, so why now? You really think, with all the rhetoric of Serbia "belonging in the EU", and "deserving membership" and all that blah blah that Brussels is going to close the door to Belgrade after they reject - again - another one of the "take it or leave it" proposals? When has the EU ever acted that decisively? And let's also be clear on one other thing: no agreement/no EU date for Belgrade, but no agreement/no SAA status for Kosovo. Pristina has just as much to lose in this constructed dilemma as Belgrade. Thaci can and probably will be put out to pasture by the US after he's done doing what they want, but the overwhelming majority of Kosovo's inhabitants who desperately want a better life, will be collectively screwed if their government isn't flexible.

Think of it this way: no functioning Serbian Assembly for 10 Serbian ethnographic municipal oddities, no SAA and no future for Kosovo beyond the frozen conflict it is.

i think it's a good idea actually, because serbs will not accept kosovo institutions any time soon, it might take them a decade, it will be the EU and prishtina's problem to solve while serbia is out and get the date

KPS and their actions against Serbs are not much different than Serbian police and their actions against Albanians under Milosevic.
(Comm. Parrison, 4 April 2013 16:55)
There was a day when even though I did not agree with some of your comments I felt that they were intelligently put together, not any more. There is NO comparison in these 2.

If ever there was a genetic gift given to a group of people it would have to be that of the Serbs. It seems almost exclusive that they have the ability to twist every negative thing in their mind in such a way as to fool themselves that is actually a good thing.
(amazing, 4 April 2013 22:29)

Prove what I've said wrong. Five years ago we were presented with a "fair accompli". Five years later, we're negotiating over an already agreed upon autonomous administration for Kosovo Serbs, with northern Kosovo as its political core - you know, that area that for years was predicted to collapse amid "realities on the ground". Amazing what a few barricades by ordinary people can do.

We've been resilient little bastards over the centuries, haven't we? True we haven't gotten everything we've wanted, but we've been able to annoy the world around us to take us seriously from time to time. We've put up with worse than what the American sock puppets in Pristina are huffing and puffing :)

WHEN THEY DEMAND SPECIAL ,EXECUTIVE,AND UNHEARD OF RIGHTS FOR THEIR PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRY BUT REFUSE TO DO THE SAME FOR HER OWN MINORITIES......

GET IT NOW??
(azir, 5 April 2013 16:14)
=================================

KOSOVO IS NOT A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY BUT A PROVINCE OF SERBIA.

GET IT NOW??????????

Why are we shouting?

KPS and their actions against Serbs are not much different than Serbian police and their actions against Albanians under Milosevic.
(Comm. Parrison, 4 April 2013 16:55)

LOL, your bs is getting funnier and funnier every day. Next, we will see NATO bomb Prishtina for violation of human rights, correct? And all that wonderful stuff of the nineties culminating with 1998-1999, correct?

Serbia should demand the most democratic way to solve the issue of North Kosovo. Let the people decide. Nothing can be more democratic than that. People in the North are going to be directly affected with whatever solution is agreed on, so let them decide. No democratic country in the world can deny them that right.
(Teslavio, 4 April 2013 13:56)

I agree why Serbia did not allow Kosovo to do that when we did referendum in 1990?

Then will Serbia allow referendum in Sandjak, Presevo vally.

I have a question how can Serbs south live under Kosovo rule and not leaving even they are majority of Serb population but Norht they can not.

North is issue as 40% are refugees from Croatia and they are not having it any more I feel bad they got duped in 1990s and they are not giving in second time around.

Teslavio if you interpret democracy as "let the 3 neighborhoods decide"........

THEN.....by the same token we need to let everyone DECIDE.........

Hungarian-Vojvodina

Sanxhak

Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc

Basicly all of Serbia's MINORITIES also should be able to DECIDE where their future awaits.

I agree with your concept of Democracy if you also apply it to YOURSELF.
(azir, 5 April 2013 01:56)

705 of the population in Vojvodina are serbs. What is Sanxhak?Why do u always mention Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja need I to remind you that serbs are majority in Bujanovac and Medvedja and in Presevo its 50/50?

Daniel my comment went completely over your head........

Once again........

WHAT IF SERBIA TRIED THEIR HARDEST TO NOT BE HYPOCRITES

WHEN THEY DEMAND SPECIAL ,EXECUTIVE,AND UNHEARD OF RIGHTS FOR THEIR PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRY BUT REFUSE TO DO THE SAME FOR HER OWN MINORITIES......

GET IT NOW??

Balkan Anthropologist, 4 April 2013 15:33)
If ever there was a genetic gift given to a group of people it would have to be that of the Serbs. It seems almost exclusive that they have the ability to twist every negative thing in their mind in such a way as to fool themselves that is actually a good thing. They can convince themselves that if it is bad for them it is worse for someone else. It is a great psych mechanism that should be studied. If we could harness it we would be able to save many a person from that bridge jump.

Teslavio if you interpret democracy as "let the 3 neighborhoods decide"........

THEN.....by the same token we need to let everyone DECIDE.........

Hungarian-Vojvodina

Sanxhak

Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc

Basicly all of Serbia's MINORITIES also should be able to DECIDE where their future awaits.

I agree with your concept of Democracy if you also apply it to YOURSELF.

Think of it this way: no functioning Serbian Assembly for 10 Serbian ethnographic municipal oddities, no SAA and no future for Kosovo beyond the frozen conflict it is.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 April 2013 15:33)

Kosovo's SAA is EU's to decide not Serbia's, at least if and until Serbia becomes an EU member. As for Kosovo being a frozen conflict, Kosovo has no conflict with anybody - it solved it in 1999. If Serbia wants something to have a conflict with, I'm sure that some windmills can be found for that purpose together with refrigerators for the freezing part :)

Peggy why are we so stubborn?

America and 98 countries recognize Kosova's Independence.
With many more to follow.

Serb INAT will get you nowhere.

Did you understand that Serbia can prove they aren't hypocrites by granting equal rights to Albanians in Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc as the North Kosovar-Serbs have in Kosova.

Tuesday for Serbia is DO OR DIE.

Peggy .......the United States and 98 others countries don't agree with you.

The majority of the world with more recognitions to come prove you wrong.

Why doesn't your PM Dacic just come out and declare our Kosova your "province" during EU peace talks?

Serbia will never enter the EU and not because of the Kosovars but because of the Croatians.

Peggy .......the United States and 98 others countries don't agree with you.

The majority of the world with more recognitions to come prove you wrong.

Why doesn't your PM Dacic just come out and declare our Kosova your "province" during EU peace talks?

Serbia will never enter the EU and not because of the Kosovars but because of the Croatians.