Top Serbian officials have finished a meeting where they discussed further steps regarding the Kosovo issue after no agreement was reached with Priština.
Is it possible to keep the territory, but not Albanians on Kosovo? Or, if there are no Serbian people over there, I will vote for Kosovo to be amputated from Serbia. Life with that backstabbing people is completely impossible.
Venetia, you have a very skewed picture of the war. Serbs tartgeted civilians intentionally and there is no reports that say that Serbs had a higher percentage of casualties.
and yes it is to be condemned grenades thrown at children. A in this case it is highly suspect it was a Serb who was doing the throwing.
Serbia should ceep Quite on Kosovo hensefort and,
let the Kosovo Serbians begin a Guerilla Warfare,
for the Liberation of the Serbian Principalities.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden.,, 3 April 2013 15:44)
While you will watch sitting on the sofa of your warm apartment in Sweden. Funny!
(Simpatiku, 3 April 2013 17:08)
Comment -
I Will feel great "Simpatiku" for the Serbians,
when they Rise for Their Justice,
which has been trampled upon by The Albanians.
The Albanians dont give and grant the same Feedom to the Serbians,
as they Demand for themselves so,
War will be the only Solution and,
in that next Round because of that,
the West will not stand with the Albanians.
The Albanians will therefore loose everything,
just You wait and see.
Freedom is a Divine thing and must be Handled and executed in a Divine Way,
and if You dont,
The LORD of Hosts will come with Vengence and Rise up the Avengers.
While you will watch sitting on the sofa of your warm apartment in Sweden. Funny!
(Simpatiku, 3 April 2013 17:08)
Not only that, but also a country which recognized his precious "province" as independent. Those warmongering wheel chair generals like him are the most pathetic Serbian hypocrites of all.
winston, 3 April 2013 18:28
Can you not read without twisting the facts. They have never said it did happen, only that there were people who said it happened and Dick Marty said that NONE of the witnesses statements had been investigated or colloborated to verify their credibility. Del Ponte was hyping a book wanting to get rich. Marty said it warranted more investigation. Neither have said it did happen.
Marty, actions became very suspect but read his whole report. He also says that IF it happened it was no where on the scale of what Serbs allege. That the possible numbers were in the 10s and not the 100s.
Now do I believe that the idea was entertained, coming from the region and with human trafficking so prevalent, yes it is possible that on some small scale it could have been attempted by either side. But a large scale operation would have definite leads.
Now, if true it is a horrible crime but is it more horrendous than rape, torture, mass graves, no.
In the words of Marty.
"In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."
So you have one side of the story that is accepted as fact, another side that is alleged but to date unproven.
"Until then, the organ-harvesting accusations are proven false, Albanians, and their beloved KLA, will have to live with this very dark cloud over their heads."
Winston
Winston - This isn't North Korea or Stalinist Russia. In a democracy you are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on Serbia and whoever is investigating. To this day there is not one shred of evidence, only accusations. Thats like the dog that is going to bark all day and not bite.
The only dark cloud is the one that's raining cats and dogs over Serbia and the foolish Serbians in the north of Kosova. Serbia is finished. If Kosovar Serbs dont like the deal in which Serbia cut them loose, then they need to move to Serbia. Bon Voyage!
Kilo- I guess throwing grenades at children is acceptable. Or threatening and assaulting clergy. Harmless and defenceless. The Serbian army were fighting a counterinsurgency campaign against terrorists. Civilian casualties were low, with Serbs making a large proportion of them. Terrible things happen during war, and Serbia paid a heavily unjust price. Albanians aggression continues today in peacetime, without repercussion. Whilst the Serbs fought openly, and certainly not always honourably, the kalbs do it cowardly, with no honour. Believe me, the Serbs could have done much worse.
kilometers, who started the organ-harvesting accusations, and who supported and brought further accusations? It was not the Serbs, it was very credible European officials, a Hague lead prosecutor, and a distinguished Swiss minister. Don't you believe there may be some credibility to the accusation, coming from honorable people like that? The problem is, everyone is dragging their feet in investigating these accusations, because it is not in the interest of the West to reveal further information. And if they could have proven the matter false, they would have done that by now. Until then, the organ-harvesting accusations are proven false, Albanians, and their beloved KLA, will have to live with this very dark cloud over their heads. Maybe Kosturica's film, in a few years, will shed some positive conclusins to what actually happened concerning this horrific matter?
Jeff could you use some other name as I have been posting for many years now. I wouldn't compare Serbia with its southern province. Kosovo is a black hole of horror. Serbia is poor, yes, but stronger than you might think.
Organ trading anyone?
(miles, 3 April 2013 14:13)
You condemn the west because they do not print your point of view. You say they cleanse the stories of the truth. You equate turning over a head stone with putting families on trucks and dumping at the border with threats to shoot if they return.
And then you end you comment with the Serb rallying cry, something that has never been proven past the point that some people claim it happened. You cannot even bring to the table real accusations.
Why if Albanians can't live under Serbian authority, should Serbs be expected to live under Albanian authority? Now that rational question seems to have escaped the Western media.
Organ trading anyone?
(miles
Miles, I was going to answer your question until I read the part that says 'organ trading anyone'. You're obviously of no sound mind to comprehend any logical answer so I won't bother.
Keep baning your head against a brick wall.
The problem is that Serbia from the start says we will not recognize Kosovo. When you start with such a strong premise then why even bother going to negotiate. Realistically Serbia is aware that Kosovo is lost, but for some strange reason it keeps Kosovo in its constitution and yet none of its leaders can set foot in Kosovo without the consent of Prishtina.
Serbia has been very lucky because it is dealing with Thaqi and we all know it he is ready to sell his soul for a right price. Unfortunately both sides are lacking a strong statesman which can make difficult but historical decisions. On the Kosovo side Thaqi is so weak and so corrupt that he needs those few bandits in the North to keep him in power. On the other side Serbian politicians are not any better. They are willing to sacrifice Serbias entire future for a bunch of thugs in the north which guaranteed in the old days of Yugo they would all be behind the bars for various crimes. Serbia has become a stone around our neck; we(Kosovo) have become even heavier stone on Serbias neck. So we keep both sinking deeper and deeper into poverty. Which side has the courage to unchain first remains to be seen. With the current breed of politicians chances are slim to none.
Reliable sources from Tanjug said that the Serbian negotiating team is expecting to stand in a circle once and agreement is reached and pass around a hot potato to determine who will end up telling Serbians that Kosova is lost forever! LOL
Have just been reading the reports on the breakdown of the talks in Western media. It makes for depressing reading, the stories are being written as if Serbia is being difficult by holding onto the north with its ethnic Serbian population.
Now here's a word they like to use in the Western media 'cleansing' - the stories have been completely cleansed of the reality of the situation on the ground- Serbians in Kosovo want to remain a part of Serbia, Albanians are committing racist crimes against the Serbs, the institutions of Kosovo are anti-Serbian. The failure to reconcile with the return of refugees is not mentioned. Its all clean and nice, with guys in suits as equals arguing over details- the Serbian side being awkward.
Why if Albanians can't live under Serbian authority, should Serbs be expected to live under Albanian authority? Now that rational question seems to have escaped the Western media.
Have just been reading the reports on the breakdown of the talks in Western media. It makes for depressing reading, the stories are being written as if Serbia is being difficult by holding onto the north with its ethnic Serbian population.
Now here's a word they like to use in the Western media 'cleansing' - the stories have been completely cleansed of the reality of the situation on the ground- Serbians in Kosovo want to remain a part of Serbia, Albanians are committing racist crimes against the Serbs, the institutions of Kosovo are anti-Serbian. The failure to reconcile with the return of refugees is not mentioned. Its all clean and nice, with guys in suits as equals arguing over details- the Serbian side being awkward.
Why if Albanians can't live under Serbian authority, should Serbs be expected to live under Albanian authority? Now that rational question seems to have escaped the Western media.
The problem is that Serbia from the start says we will not recognize Kosovo. When you start with such a strong premise then why even bother going to negotiate. Realistically Serbia is aware that Kosovo is lost, but for some strange reason it keeps Kosovo in its constitution and yet none of its leaders can set foot in Kosovo without the consent of Prishtina.
Serbia has been very lucky because it is dealing with Thaqi and we all know it he is ready to sell his soul for a right price. Unfortunately both sides are lacking a strong statesman which can make difficult but historical decisions. On the Kosovo side Thaqi is so weak and so corrupt that he needs those few bandits in the North to keep him in power. On the other side Serbian politicians are not any better. They are willing to sacrifice Serbias entire future for a bunch of thugs in the north which guaranteed in the old days of Yugo they would all be behind the bars for various crimes. Serbia has become a stone around our neck; we(Kosovo) have become even heavier stone on Serbias neck. So we keep both sinking deeper and deeper into poverty. Which side has the courage to unchain first remains to be seen. With the current breed of politicians chances are slim to none.
Why if Albanians can't live under Serbian authority, should Serbs be expected to live under Albanian authority? Now that rational question seems to have escaped the Western media.
Organ trading anyone?
(miles
Miles, I was going to answer your question until I read the part that says 'organ trading anyone'. You're obviously of no sound mind to comprehend any logical answer so I won't bother.
Keep baning your head against a brick wall.
Reliable sources from Tanjug said that the Serbian negotiating team is expecting to stand in a circle once and agreement is reached and pass around a hot potato to determine who will end up telling Serbians that Kosova is lost forever! LOL
Organ trading anyone?
(miles, 3 April 2013 14:13)
You condemn the west because they do not print your point of view. You say they cleanse the stories of the truth. You equate turning over a head stone with putting families on trucks and dumping at the border with threats to shoot if they return.
And then you end you comment with the Serb rallying cry, something that has never been proven past the point that some people claim it happened. You cannot even bring to the table real accusations.
Jeff could you use some other name as I have been posting for many years now. I wouldn't compare Serbia with its southern province. Kosovo is a black hole of horror. Serbia is poor, yes, but stronger than you might think.
Kilo- I guess throwing grenades at children is acceptable. Or threatening and assaulting clergy. Harmless and defenceless. The Serbian army were fighting a counterinsurgency campaign against terrorists. Civilian casualties were low, with Serbs making a large proportion of them. Terrible things happen during war, and Serbia paid a heavily unjust price. Albanians aggression continues today in peacetime, without repercussion. Whilst the Serbs fought openly, and certainly not always honourably, the kalbs do it cowardly, with no honour. Believe me, the Serbs could have done much worse.
kilometers, who started the organ-harvesting accusations, and who supported and brought further accusations? It was not the Serbs, it was very credible European officials, a Hague lead prosecutor, and a distinguished Swiss minister. Don't you believe there may be some credibility to the accusation, coming from honorable people like that? The problem is, everyone is dragging their feet in investigating these accusations, because it is not in the interest of the West to reveal further information. And if they could have proven the matter false, they would have done that by now. Until then, the organ-harvesting accusations are proven false, Albanians, and their beloved KLA, will have to live with this very dark cloud over their heads. Maybe Kosturica's film, in a few years, will shed some positive conclusins to what actually happened concerning this horrific matter?
winston, 3 April 2013 18:28
Can you not read without twisting the facts. They have never said it did happen, only that there were people who said it happened and Dick Marty said that NONE of the witnesses statements had been investigated or colloborated to verify their credibility. Del Ponte was hyping a book wanting to get rich. Marty said it warranted more investigation. Neither have said it did happen.
Marty, actions became very suspect but read his whole report. He also says that IF it happened it was no where on the scale of what Serbs allege. That the possible numbers were in the 10s and not the 100s.
Now do I believe that the idea was entertained, coming from the region and with human trafficking so prevalent, yes it is possible that on some small scale it could have been attempted by either side. But a large scale operation would have definite leads.
Now, if true it is a horrible crime but is it more horrendous than rape, torture, mass graves, no.
In the words of Marty.
"In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."
So you have one side of the story that is accepted as fact, another side that is alleged but to date unproven.
"Until then, the organ-harvesting accusations are proven false, Albanians, and their beloved KLA, will have to live with this very dark cloud over their heads."
Winston
Winston - This isn't North Korea or Stalinist Russia. In a democracy you are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on Serbia and whoever is investigating. To this day there is not one shred of evidence, only accusations. Thats like the dog that is going to bark all day and not bite.
The only dark cloud is the one that's raining cats and dogs over Serbia and the foolish Serbians in the north of Kosova. Serbia is finished. If Kosovar Serbs dont like the deal in which Serbia cut them loose, then they need to move to Serbia. Bon Voyage!
While you will watch sitting on the sofa of your warm apartment in Sweden. Funny!
(Simpatiku, 3 April 2013 17:08)
Not only that, but also a country which recognized his precious "province" as independent. Those warmongering wheel chair generals like him are the most pathetic Serbian hypocrites of all.
Serbia should ceep Quite on Kosovo hensefort and,
let the Kosovo Serbians begin a Guerilla Warfare,
for the Liberation of the Serbian Principalities.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden.,, 3 April 2013 15:44)
While you will watch sitting on the sofa of your warm apartment in Sweden. Funny!
(Simpatiku, 3 April 2013 17:08)
Comment -
I Will feel great "Simpatiku" for the Serbians,
when they Rise for Their Justice,
which has been trampled upon by The Albanians.
The Albanians dont give and grant the same Feedom to the Serbians,
as they Demand for themselves so,
War will be the only Solution and,
in that next Round because of that,
the West will not stand with the Albanians.
The Albanians will therefore loose everything,
just You wait and see.
Freedom is a Divine thing and must be Handled and executed in a Divine Way,
and if You dont,
The LORD of Hosts will come with Vengence and Rise up the Avengers.
Venetia, you have a very skewed picture of the war. Serbs tartgeted civilians intentionally and there is no reports that say that Serbs had a higher percentage of casualties.
and yes it is to be condemned grenades thrown at children. A in this case it is highly suspect it was a Serb who was doing the throwing.
Is it possible to keep the territory, but not Albanians on Kosovo? Or, if there are no Serbian people over there, I will vote for Kosovo to be amputated from Serbia. Life with that backstabbing people is completely impossible.
Reliable sources from Tanjug said that the Serbian negotiating team is expecting to stand in a circle once and agreement is reached and pass around a hot potato to determine who will end up telling Serbians that Kosova is lost forever! LOL
Have just been reading the reports on the breakdown of the talks in Western media. It makes for depressing reading, the stories are being written as if Serbia is being difficult by holding onto the north with its ethnic Serbian population.
Now here's a word they like to use in the Western media 'cleansing' - the stories have been completely cleansed of the reality of the situation on the ground- Serbians in Kosovo want to remain a part of Serbia, Albanians are committing racist crimes against the Serbs, the institutions of Kosovo are anti-Serbian. The failure to reconcile with the return of refugees is not mentioned. Its all clean and nice, with guys in suits as equals arguing over details- the Serbian side being awkward.
Why if Albanians can't live under Serbian authority, should Serbs be expected to live under Albanian authority? Now that rational question seems to have escaped the Western media.
Why if Albanians can't live under Serbian authority, should Serbs be expected to live under Albanian authority? Now that rational question seems to have escaped the Western media.
Organ trading anyone?
(miles
Miles, I was going to answer your question until I read the part that says 'organ trading anyone'. You're obviously of no sound mind to comprehend any logical answer so I won't bother.
Keep baning your head against a brick wall.
Jeff could you use some other name as I have been posting for many years now. I wouldn't compare Serbia with its southern province. Kosovo is a black hole of horror. Serbia is poor, yes, but stronger than you might think.
"Until then, the organ-harvesting accusations are proven false, Albanians, and their beloved KLA, will have to live with this very dark cloud over their heads."
Winston
Winston - This isn't North Korea or Stalinist Russia. In a democracy you are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on Serbia and whoever is investigating. To this day there is not one shred of evidence, only accusations. Thats like the dog that is going to bark all day and not bite.
The only dark cloud is the one that's raining cats and dogs over Serbia and the foolish Serbians in the north of Kosova. Serbia is finished. If Kosovar Serbs dont like the deal in which Serbia cut them loose, then they need to move to Serbia. Bon Voyage!
The problem is that Serbia from the start says we will not recognize Kosovo. When you start with such a strong premise then why even bother going to negotiate. Realistically Serbia is aware that Kosovo is lost, but for some strange reason it keeps Kosovo in its constitution and yet none of its leaders can set foot in Kosovo without the consent of Prishtina.
Serbia has been very lucky because it is dealing with Thaqi and we all know it he is ready to sell his soul for a right price. Unfortunately both sides are lacking a strong statesman which can make difficult but historical decisions. On the Kosovo side Thaqi is so weak and so corrupt that he needs those few bandits in the North to keep him in power. On the other side Serbian politicians are not any better. They are willing to sacrifice Serbias entire future for a bunch of thugs in the north which guaranteed in the old days of Yugo they would all be behind the bars for various crimes. Serbia has become a stone around our neck; we(Kosovo) have become even heavier stone on Serbias neck. So we keep both sinking deeper and deeper into poverty. Which side has the courage to unchain first remains to be seen. With the current breed of politicians chances are slim to none.
Organ trading anyone?
(miles, 3 April 2013 14:13)
You condemn the west because they do not print your point of view. You say they cleanse the stories of the truth. You equate turning over a head stone with putting families on trucks and dumping at the border with threats to shoot if they return.
And then you end you comment with the Serb rallying cry, something that has never been proven past the point that some people claim it happened. You cannot even bring to the table real accusations.
Kilo- I guess throwing grenades at children is acceptable. Or threatening and assaulting clergy. Harmless and defenceless. The Serbian army were fighting a counterinsurgency campaign against terrorists. Civilian casualties were low, with Serbs making a large proportion of them. Terrible things happen during war, and Serbia paid a heavily unjust price. Albanians aggression continues today in peacetime, without repercussion. Whilst the Serbs fought openly, and certainly not always honourably, the kalbs do it cowardly, with no honour. Believe me, the Serbs could have done much worse.
kilometers, who started the organ-harvesting accusations, and who supported and brought further accusations? It was not the Serbs, it was very credible European officials, a Hague lead prosecutor, and a distinguished Swiss minister. Don't you believe there may be some credibility to the accusation, coming from honorable people like that? The problem is, everyone is dragging their feet in investigating these accusations, because it is not in the interest of the West to reveal further information. And if they could have proven the matter false, they would have done that by now. Until then, the organ-harvesting accusations are proven false, Albanians, and their beloved KLA, will have to live with this very dark cloud over their heads. Maybe Kosturica's film, in a few years, will shed some positive conclusins to what actually happened concerning this horrific matter?
While you will watch sitting on the sofa of your warm apartment in Sweden. Funny!
(Simpatiku, 3 April 2013 17:08)
Not only that, but also a country which recognized his precious "province" as independent. Those warmongering wheel chair generals like him are the most pathetic Serbian hypocrites of all.
winston, 3 April 2013 18:28
Can you not read without twisting the facts. They have never said it did happen, only that there were people who said it happened and Dick Marty said that NONE of the witnesses statements had been investigated or colloborated to verify their credibility. Del Ponte was hyping a book wanting to get rich. Marty said it warranted more investigation. Neither have said it did happen.
Marty, actions became very suspect but read his whole report. He also says that IF it happened it was no where on the scale of what Serbs allege. That the possible numbers were in the 10s and not the 100s.
Now do I believe that the idea was entertained, coming from the region and with human trafficking so prevalent, yes it is possible that on some small scale it could have been attempted by either side. But a large scale operation would have definite leads.
Now, if true it is a horrible crime but is it more horrendous than rape, torture, mass graves, no.
In the words of Marty.
"In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."
So you have one side of the story that is accepted as fact, another side that is alleged but to date unproven.
Serbia should ceep Quite on Kosovo hensefort and,
let the Kosovo Serbians begin a Guerilla Warfare,
for the Liberation of the Serbian Principalities.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden.,, 3 April 2013 15:44)
While you will watch sitting on the sofa of your warm apartment in Sweden. Funny!
(Simpatiku, 3 April 2013 17:08)
Comment -
I Will feel great "Simpatiku" for the Serbians,
when they Rise for Their Justice,
which has been trampled upon by The Albanians.
The Albanians dont give and grant the same Feedom to the Serbians,
as they Demand for themselves so,
War will be the only Solution and,
in that next Round because of that,
the West will not stand with the Albanians.
The Albanians will therefore loose everything,
just You wait and see.
Freedom is a Divine thing and must be Handled and executed in a Divine Way,
and if You dont,
The LORD of Hosts will come with Vengence and Rise up the Avengers.
Venetia, you have a very skewed picture of the war. Serbs tartgeted civilians intentionally and there is no reports that say that Serbs had a higher percentage of casualties.
and yes it is to be condemned grenades thrown at children. A in this case it is highly suspect it was a Serb who was doing the throwing.
Is it possible to keep the territory, but not Albanians on Kosovo? Or, if there are no Serbian people over there, I will vote for Kosovo to be amputated from Serbia. Life with that backstabbing people is completely impossible.
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