Apostolic Nuncio to Serbia Orlando Antonini has said that the Holy See did not see any reason to change its position and recognize Kosovo’s independence.
The recognition of Kosovo is not 89, as of March 23, 2013 it's actually 99. This is well over half. And hopefully this typo is more of a sight into the future, "The Greek Embassy has said that their policy was clear – Greece does not recognize Kosovo and it will recognize it in the future" It's only a matter of time.
@Peggy....Beograd was the capital of the failed YU because the Serbs wanted it that way. In terms of dictatorship80% of Serbs were commissioned officers in the so called JNA. They also held all management positions within companies even though they weren't qualified for the position.. History has also witnessed Slobos attempt to carve up his YU to create a Greater Serbia. Seselj at the time publicy stated that Serbia will have its border 60km from ZG. Lets not twist the facts, we all know even that Serbia has alot to answer for.
"Serbia was trying to keep yugoslavia together ..."
(George, 24 March 2013 14:27)
Yes, but without asking the others people if they wanted to be 'kept together' under the Serbian rule...
(Comm. Parrisson, 24 March 2013 21:18)
===============================
What Serbian rule?
Are you seriously telling us that Belgrade and only Serbs were going to have any say in governing Yugoslavia? The rotating presidency was not real?
So what do you mean when you say that Yugoslavia was under Serbian rule? The capital was Belgrade but who represented Yugoslavia? C'mon, we all know that everyone had a say and armed forces consisted of non Serbs in high ranking positions too.
Am I wrong?
Looking at this situation from Canada I don't know why our government recognized Kosovo. The destruction of religious sites by the Albainians and continued persecution of minorities in this break away province is why other countries with a strong religious population will not give Kosovo Regognition. With so many years of Ottoman rule in the region even they had eneough respect and tolerance to allow people their religion. The Serbs are a proud people and rightfully so, who elese could go through what they did at the hands of the Ustahsa.
Yugoslavia was a beautiful country with Brotherhood and Unity a model for other countries to follow. No Country is perfect , but I do beleive that the Albainians in Kosovo had more rights and religious freedom under Tito than they have now. Kosovo is an occupied territory nothing more nothing less. Perhaps if their appointed representitives were to ask for forgivness for all the destruction they have caused they receive some understanding. Serbia was trying to keep yugoslavia together the region would be stornger today finacially and politically had it been left alone to do so.
A new day: I have made a similar point before, that each time a vitriolic Serb commentator pours forth his or her hatred they make the case for Kosovo independence. I have many Serb friends who genuinely believe that Kosovo is the cradle of Serbdom and that for this reason alone Kosovo should remain part of Serbia albeit with autonomy. Those at the other extreme believe that either a) Kosovo Albanians don't deserve a decent life and if they insist on inhabiting Serb lands they will have to put up with being treated as second class citizens or b) all Kosovo Albanians should leave and go to Albania proper thus leaving the land for those who 'should' be living there; ie Serbs. I don't know what the balance of views is amongst those who come on here but many have good reason for objecting to the worst excesses of Thaci and his gang of cronies. Unfortunately it is largely now a numbers game and the reality, however it was arrived at, is that Kosovo is more than 90% Albanian and only going to increase. Short of another conflict, which is highly unlikely given the international presence in the region, I struggle to see any resolution to this stalemate.
What does it matter if you have 89, 99, 101, or 150 recognitions? Kosovo is still begging, bribing, pleading, and demanding diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Serbia.
(Navi, 23 March 2013 15:52)
Serbia is still begging, bribing, pleading and demanding that countries don't extend diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Kosova.
No, there's really no reason. Maybe there would be a reason to recognize a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo like it was planned, but not the kleptocratic, election faking corrupt mafia-ruled state of Kosovo full of national extremists who don't even recognize Kosovo themselves, otherwise they would proudly use Kosovo flags instead of Albanian ones.
You albanians are disgusting hypocrits!
(MikeC, 23 March 2013 18:09)
I think they can turn that around and substitute Serbians quite easily.
Who is it talks about another "banana republic" everytime an island nation recognizes and how it means nothing. Also do you think that the people that are not recognizing is doing so out of love for the Serbian people.
The world is pretty much in agreement to the fact of the horror Serbia unleashed upon the Albanian people in the 1990's. Most not doing so are because of issues within their own countries or out of hatred for the US and has nothing to do with Serbia itself.
Your posts alone if accepted as a generalization of Serbian opinion is enough to justify the independenc of Kosovo as with that level of hatred there is no way they could have a decent life under Serbian rule.
The issue is not how many countries have recognised Kosovo as an independent state but the identity of those countries. Recognition from Germany and the USA weighed against non-recognition of Cyprus and Romania is technically a 2-2 'draw' but clearly that is not the reality. If Barack and Angela say 'yes', whatever the issue, then that's how the world precedes. This is not to downplay the importance of China and Russia but neither are in the EU or NATO and do not currently possess sufficient influence to shape the policy of the big players to their will.
You albanians are disgusting hypocrits! "We don't need the Vaticans recognition". Trust me you would rejoice if they recognized Kosovo. Any country that doesn't want to recognize Kosovo is not important and every country that does recognize is. Take it like a man and accepte that the only reason someone would recognize Kosovo is if they got paid or were forced to do so. NOBODY would recognize Kosovo because they think albanians deserve to be independent and definately not because they like albanians.
You have it as only 89 countries recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Wrong. It is 98. You are entitled to your opinon but not to you facts. Please correct it.
(rudolfo hisena, 23 March 2013 14:01)
apparently the 'journalists' over there still make up their own facts, exactly like in the bad old days. hello...
There is no reason why some of the more powerful recognising countries should not change their stance.
Their policy is not a good one - there is no reason for them to stand by it.
They assume that what they are pushing for is somehow 'right' - but it is not, and it is not justified and it is not permanent. It is a rather weak and bigoted interim solution - no more than that. Realistically either there is a path to integrate Kosovo with Albania, or the EU brings about a relative dissolving of borders (I am leaving aside the possibility of future wars). The current two Albanias solution is not tenable for the long term. Also, it does not address the strong claim of Serbia for the province.
89 countries have so far recognized Kosovo, which is less than a half of the UN members. Even though Priština has stepped up its diplomatic activities in order to win new recognitions, chances of that happening are slim, Belgrade-based daily Večernje novosti writes.
Let's wait and see! Or one step at a time! The question is how the above is helping Serbia to re-establish its territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? NO ONE from the Serbian side is able or capable giving me an answer.
Serbia leftover best friends are Cyprus, Greece, Slovakia, Romania....the weakest link of Europe...I really mean it the weakest links....
The southern part of the province of Kosovo is nothing more than a ward of certain Western nations, as an orphan is completely dependent on his or her caregiver. It is "recognized" because certain Western nations are strong arming others to do so. The fact remains that the UNSC will not allow it to enter the UN, and even the EU does not unanimously recognize it. Why is universal recognition taking so long? What is the problem? Why is immense pressure from the US and Germany necessary for its "recognition"? Because the world knows that an "independent" Kosovo is a violation of international law. If not, it certainly would have been universally recognized by now if it had legitimacy. But it doesn't and it isn't. Dance for your masters, Pristina...they own you.
What does it matter if you have 89, 99, 101, or 150 recognitions? Kosovo is still begging, bribing, pleading, and demanding diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Serbia.
You have it as only 89 countries recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Wrong. It is 98. You are entitled to your opinon but not to you facts. Please correct it.
Do not really understand the importance of whether the Vatican recognizes or does not recognize Kosovo as an independent state.
To Serbia now it is of huge importance and to the people of Kosovo it is not.
Of course should they announce then it will be,
Kosovo places a huge importance on its recognition and Serbia will claim it as insignificant.
But as a religious organization, it is doubtful that relations with Kosovo people would be different either way.
89 recognition ?? Where did you get that false information from ?
Here is The truth:
As of 16 March 2013, tKosovo has received 101 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 99 out of 193 (51.3%) United Nations (UN) member states, 22 out of 27 (81%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 32 out of 57 (56%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo.
89 recognition ?? Where did you get that false information from ?
Here is The truth:
As of 16 March 2013, tKosovo has received 101 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 99 out of 193 (51.3%) United Nations (UN) member states, 22 out of 27 (81%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 32 out of 57 (56%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo.
You albanians are disgusting hypocrits! "We don't need the Vaticans recognition". Trust me you would rejoice if they recognized Kosovo. Any country that doesn't want to recognize Kosovo is not important and every country that does recognize is. Take it like a man and accepte that the only reason someone would recognize Kosovo is if they got paid or were forced to do so. NOBODY would recognize Kosovo because they think albanians deserve to be independent and definately not because they like albanians.
What does it matter if you have 89, 99, 101, or 150 recognitions? Kosovo is still begging, bribing, pleading, and demanding diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Serbia.
You have it as only 89 countries recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Wrong. It is 98. You are entitled to your opinon but not to you facts. Please correct it.
The southern part of the province of Kosovo is nothing more than a ward of certain Western nations, as an orphan is completely dependent on his or her caregiver. It is "recognized" because certain Western nations are strong arming others to do so. The fact remains that the UNSC will not allow it to enter the UN, and even the EU does not unanimously recognize it. Why is universal recognition taking so long? What is the problem? Why is immense pressure from the US and Germany necessary for its "recognition"? Because the world knows that an "independent" Kosovo is a violation of international law. If not, it certainly would have been universally recognized by now if it had legitimacy. But it doesn't and it isn't. Dance for your masters, Pristina...they own you.
You have it as only 89 countries recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Wrong. It is 98. You are entitled to your opinon but not to you facts. Please correct it.
(rudolfo hisena, 23 March 2013 14:01)
apparently the 'journalists' over there still make up their own facts, exactly like in the bad old days. hello...
89 countries have so far recognized Kosovo, which is less than a half of the UN members. Even though Priština has stepped up its diplomatic activities in order to win new recognitions, chances of that happening are slim, Belgrade-based daily Večernje novosti writes.
Let's wait and see! Or one step at a time! The question is how the above is helping Serbia to re-establish its territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? NO ONE from the Serbian side is able or capable giving me an answer.
Serbia leftover best friends are Cyprus, Greece, Slovakia, Romania....the weakest link of Europe...I really mean it the weakest links....
The issue is not how many countries have recognised Kosovo as an independent state but the identity of those countries. Recognition from Germany and the USA weighed against non-recognition of Cyprus and Romania is technically a 2-2 'draw' but clearly that is not the reality. If Barack and Angela say 'yes', whatever the issue, then that's how the world precedes. This is not to downplay the importance of China and Russia but neither are in the EU or NATO and do not currently possess sufficient influence to shape the policy of the big players to their will.
Do not really understand the importance of whether the Vatican recognizes or does not recognize Kosovo as an independent state.
To Serbia now it is of huge importance and to the people of Kosovo it is not.
Of course should they announce then it will be,
Kosovo places a huge importance on its recognition and Serbia will claim it as insignificant.
But as a religious organization, it is doubtful that relations with Kosovo people would be different either way.
You albanians are disgusting hypocrits!
(MikeC, 23 March 2013 18:09)
I think they can turn that around and substitute Serbians quite easily.
Who is it talks about another "banana republic" everytime an island nation recognizes and how it means nothing. Also do you think that the people that are not recognizing is doing so out of love for the Serbian people.
The world is pretty much in agreement to the fact of the horror Serbia unleashed upon the Albanian people in the 1990's. Most not doing so are because of issues within their own countries or out of hatred for the US and has nothing to do with Serbia itself.
Your posts alone if accepted as a generalization of Serbian opinion is enough to justify the independenc of Kosovo as with that level of hatred there is no way they could have a decent life under Serbian rule.
No, there's really no reason. Maybe there would be a reason to recognize a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo like it was planned, but not the kleptocratic, election faking corrupt mafia-ruled state of Kosovo full of national extremists who don't even recognize Kosovo themselves, otherwise they would proudly use Kosovo flags instead of Albanian ones.
Looking at this situation from Canada I don't know why our government recognized Kosovo. The destruction of religious sites by the Albainians and continued persecution of minorities in this break away province is why other countries with a strong religious population will not give Kosovo Regognition. With so many years of Ottoman rule in the region even they had eneough respect and tolerance to allow people their religion. The Serbs are a proud people and rightfully so, who elese could go through what they did at the hands of the Ustahsa.
Yugoslavia was a beautiful country with Brotherhood and Unity a model for other countries to follow. No Country is perfect , but I do beleive that the Albainians in Kosovo had more rights and religious freedom under Tito than they have now. Kosovo is an occupied territory nothing more nothing less. Perhaps if their appointed representitives were to ask for forgivness for all the destruction they have caused they receive some understanding. Serbia was trying to keep yugoslavia together the region would be stornger today finacially and politically had it been left alone to do so.
A new day: I have made a similar point before, that each time a vitriolic Serb commentator pours forth his or her hatred they make the case for Kosovo independence. I have many Serb friends who genuinely believe that Kosovo is the cradle of Serbdom and that for this reason alone Kosovo should remain part of Serbia albeit with autonomy. Those at the other extreme believe that either a) Kosovo Albanians don't deserve a decent life and if they insist on inhabiting Serb lands they will have to put up with being treated as second class citizens or b) all Kosovo Albanians should leave and go to Albania proper thus leaving the land for those who 'should' be living there; ie Serbs. I don't know what the balance of views is amongst those who come on here but many have good reason for objecting to the worst excesses of Thaci and his gang of cronies. Unfortunately it is largely now a numbers game and the reality, however it was arrived at, is that Kosovo is more than 90% Albanian and only going to increase. Short of another conflict, which is highly unlikely given the international presence in the region, I struggle to see any resolution to this stalemate.
What does it matter if you have 89, 99, 101, or 150 recognitions? Kosovo is still begging, bribing, pleading, and demanding diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Serbia.
(Navi, 23 March 2013 15:52)
Serbia is still begging, bribing, pleading and demanding that countries don't extend diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Kosova.
There is no reason why some of the more powerful recognising countries should not change their stance.
Their policy is not a good one - there is no reason for them to stand by it.
They assume that what they are pushing for is somehow 'right' - but it is not, and it is not justified and it is not permanent. It is a rather weak and bigoted interim solution - no more than that. Realistically either there is a path to integrate Kosovo with Albania, or the EU brings about a relative dissolving of borders (I am leaving aside the possibility of future wars). The current two Albanias solution is not tenable for the long term. Also, it does not address the strong claim of Serbia for the province.
"Serbia was trying to keep yugoslavia together ..."
(George, 24 March 2013 14:27)
Yes, but without asking the others people if they wanted to be 'kept together' under the Serbian rule...
(Comm. Parrisson, 24 March 2013 21:18)
===============================
What Serbian rule?
Are you seriously telling us that Belgrade and only Serbs were going to have any say in governing Yugoslavia? The rotating presidency was not real?
So what do you mean when you say that Yugoslavia was under Serbian rule? The capital was Belgrade but who represented Yugoslavia? C'mon, we all know that everyone had a say and armed forces consisted of non Serbs in high ranking positions too.
Am I wrong?
@Peggy....Beograd was the capital of the failed YU because the Serbs wanted it that way. In terms of dictatorship80% of Serbs were commissioned officers in the so called JNA. They also held all management positions within companies even though they weren't qualified for the position.. History has also witnessed Slobos attempt to carve up his YU to create a Greater Serbia. Seselj at the time publicy stated that Serbia will have its border 60km from ZG. Lets not twist the facts, we all know even that Serbia has alot to answer for.
The recognition of Kosovo is not 89, as of March 23, 2013 it's actually 99. This is well over half. And hopefully this typo is more of a sight into the future, "The Greek Embassy has said that their policy was clear – Greece does not recognize Kosovo and it will recognize it in the future" It's only a matter of time.
89 recognition ?? Where did you get that false information from ?
Here is The truth:
As of 16 March 2013, tKosovo has received 101 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 99 out of 193 (51.3%) United Nations (UN) member states, 22 out of 27 (81%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 32 out of 57 (56%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo.
89 countries have so far recognized Kosovo, which is less than a half of the UN members. Even though Priština has stepped up its diplomatic activities in order to win new recognitions, chances of that happening are slim, Belgrade-based daily Večernje novosti writes.
Let's wait and see! Or one step at a time! The question is how the above is helping Serbia to re-establish its territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? NO ONE from the Serbian side is able or capable giving me an answer.
Serbia leftover best friends are Cyprus, Greece, Slovakia, Romania....the weakest link of Europe...I really mean it the weakest links....
You have it as only 89 countries recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Wrong. It is 98. You are entitled to your opinon but not to you facts. Please correct it.
You albanians are disgusting hypocrits!
(MikeC, 23 March 2013 18:09)
I think they can turn that around and substitute Serbians quite easily.
Who is it talks about another "banana republic" everytime an island nation recognizes and how it means nothing. Also do you think that the people that are not recognizing is doing so out of love for the Serbian people.
The world is pretty much in agreement to the fact of the horror Serbia unleashed upon the Albanian people in the 1990's. Most not doing so are because of issues within their own countries or out of hatred for the US and has nothing to do with Serbia itself.
Your posts alone if accepted as a generalization of Serbian opinion is enough to justify the independenc of Kosovo as with that level of hatred there is no way they could have a decent life under Serbian rule.
You albanians are disgusting hypocrits! "We don't need the Vaticans recognition". Trust me you would rejoice if they recognized Kosovo. Any country that doesn't want to recognize Kosovo is not important and every country that does recognize is. Take it like a man and accepte that the only reason someone would recognize Kosovo is if they got paid or were forced to do so. NOBODY would recognize Kosovo because they think albanians deserve to be independent and definately not because they like albanians.
What does it matter if you have 89, 99, 101, or 150 recognitions? Kosovo is still begging, bribing, pleading, and demanding diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Serbia.
The issue is not how many countries have recognised Kosovo as an independent state but the identity of those countries. Recognition from Germany and the USA weighed against non-recognition of Cyprus and Romania is technically a 2-2 'draw' but clearly that is not the reality. If Barack and Angela say 'yes', whatever the issue, then that's how the world precedes. This is not to downplay the importance of China and Russia but neither are in the EU or NATO and do not currently possess sufficient influence to shape the policy of the big players to their will.
What does it matter if you have 89, 99, 101, or 150 recognitions? Kosovo is still begging, bribing, pleading, and demanding diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Serbia.
(Navi, 23 March 2013 15:52)
Serbia is still begging, bribing, pleading and demanding that countries don't extend diplomatic recognition and has to make nice with Kosova.
Do not really understand the importance of whether the Vatican recognizes or does not recognize Kosovo as an independent state.
To Serbia now it is of huge importance and to the people of Kosovo it is not.
Of course should they announce then it will be,
Kosovo places a huge importance on its recognition and Serbia will claim it as insignificant.
But as a religious organization, it is doubtful that relations with Kosovo people would be different either way.
There is no reason why some of the more powerful recognising countries should not change their stance.
Their policy is not a good one - there is no reason for them to stand by it.
They assume that what they are pushing for is somehow 'right' - but it is not, and it is not justified and it is not permanent. It is a rather weak and bigoted interim solution - no more than that. Realistically either there is a path to integrate Kosovo with Albania, or the EU brings about a relative dissolving of borders (I am leaving aside the possibility of future wars). The current two Albanias solution is not tenable for the long term. Also, it does not address the strong claim of Serbia for the province.
You have it as only 89 countries recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Wrong. It is 98. You are entitled to your opinon but not to you facts. Please correct it.
(rudolfo hisena, 23 March 2013 14:01)
apparently the 'journalists' over there still make up their own facts, exactly like in the bad old days. hello...
The southern part of the province of Kosovo is nothing more than a ward of certain Western nations, as an orphan is completely dependent on his or her caregiver. It is "recognized" because certain Western nations are strong arming others to do so. The fact remains that the UNSC will not allow it to enter the UN, and even the EU does not unanimously recognize it. Why is universal recognition taking so long? What is the problem? Why is immense pressure from the US and Germany necessary for its "recognition"? Because the world knows that an "independent" Kosovo is a violation of international law. If not, it certainly would have been universally recognized by now if it had legitimacy. But it doesn't and it isn't. Dance for your masters, Pristina...they own you.
Looking at this situation from Canada I don't know why our government recognized Kosovo. The destruction of religious sites by the Albainians and continued persecution of minorities in this break away province is why other countries with a strong religious population will not give Kosovo Regognition. With so many years of Ottoman rule in the region even they had eneough respect and tolerance to allow people their religion. The Serbs are a proud people and rightfully so, who elese could go through what they did at the hands of the Ustahsa.
Yugoslavia was a beautiful country with Brotherhood and Unity a model for other countries to follow. No Country is perfect , but I do beleive that the Albainians in Kosovo had more rights and religious freedom under Tito than they have now. Kosovo is an occupied territory nothing more nothing less. Perhaps if their appointed representitives were to ask for forgivness for all the destruction they have caused they receive some understanding. Serbia was trying to keep yugoslavia together the region would be stornger today finacially and politically had it been left alone to do so.
A new day: I have made a similar point before, that each time a vitriolic Serb commentator pours forth his or her hatred they make the case for Kosovo independence. I have many Serb friends who genuinely believe that Kosovo is the cradle of Serbdom and that for this reason alone Kosovo should remain part of Serbia albeit with autonomy. Those at the other extreme believe that either a) Kosovo Albanians don't deserve a decent life and if they insist on inhabiting Serb lands they will have to put up with being treated as second class citizens or b) all Kosovo Albanians should leave and go to Albania proper thus leaving the land for those who 'should' be living there; ie Serbs. I don't know what the balance of views is amongst those who come on here but many have good reason for objecting to the worst excesses of Thaci and his gang of cronies. Unfortunately it is largely now a numbers game and the reality, however it was arrived at, is that Kosovo is more than 90% Albanian and only going to increase. Short of another conflict, which is highly unlikely given the international presence in the region, I struggle to see any resolution to this stalemate.
"Serbia was trying to keep yugoslavia together ..."
(George, 24 March 2013 14:27)
Yes, but without asking the others people if they wanted to be 'kept together' under the Serbian rule...
(Comm. Parrisson, 24 March 2013 21:18)
===============================
What Serbian rule?
Are you seriously telling us that Belgrade and only Serbs were going to have any say in governing Yugoslavia? The rotating presidency was not real?
So what do you mean when you say that Yugoslavia was under Serbian rule? The capital was Belgrade but who represented Yugoslavia? C'mon, we all know that everyone had a say and armed forces consisted of non Serbs in high ranking positions too.
Am I wrong?
@Peggy....Beograd was the capital of the failed YU because the Serbs wanted it that way. In terms of dictatorship80% of Serbs were commissioned officers in the so called JNA. They also held all management positions within companies even though they weren't qualified for the position.. History has also witnessed Slobos attempt to carve up his YU to create a Greater Serbia. Seselj at the time publicy stated that Serbia will have its border 60km from ZG. Lets not twist the facts, we all know even that Serbia has alot to answer for.
No, there's really no reason. Maybe there would be a reason to recognize a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo like it was planned, but not the kleptocratic, election faking corrupt mafia-ruled state of Kosovo full of national extremists who don't even recognize Kosovo themselves, otherwise they would proudly use Kosovo flags instead of Albanian ones.
The recognition of Kosovo is not 89, as of March 23, 2013 it's actually 99. This is well over half. And hopefully this typo is more of a sight into the future, "The Greek Embassy has said that their policy was clear – Greece does not recognize Kosovo and it will recognize it in the future" It's only a matter of time.
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