7th round of Kosovo dialogue ends, no agreement

I would rather say that Kosovo should commit in writing or in front of the cameras. The problem lies in Kosovo, not in Serbia.
(Milli, 20 March 2013 10:11)

Sorry milli, the entire world sees first hand that Serbia is the one playing these dirty games of deception! Every civilized nation involved with trying to promote stability in the Balkans, is fed up with these Serbian smokescreen politics!!!

Milli vanilli you have to be joking, right? It is Serbia who has time after time after time agreed to things in Brussels and then came back and told a totally different story once back in Serbia. Remember the nameplate fiasco where the EU representative had to come out and say that Serbia was saying one thing that was no where near what was agreed to.
That is why they want it on camera so no longer the 2 tales.

@Rocky. Trying to promote stability in the Balkans, by robbing the territory, and ethnically cleansing the very same territory is a joke.
Serbia is not playing " dirty games" but only defending Serbs in the province which was taken by force. If one can be proud of being thief for any reason then there is no morality in this world.

I would rather say that Kosovo should commit in writing or in front of the cameras. The problem lies in Kosovo, not in Serbia.

"the US has already forgotten about you albanians."

ok....so what? why don't you come and take over then?

A clip from US press,

"Perhaps only foreign policy nerds (guilty!) will note that Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci’s meeting with Biden on Monday was unveiled at the last minute, after the announcement that the vice president would meet with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic."

The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!

Look at Ashton and Thaci all smile, and look at Dacic's sad face.

"The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!"(robert1899, 20 March 2013 14:32)

For your information the battle of Kosovo in 1899, was a joint war when the serbs and albanians joind forces to remove the automan invadors.

@John
"I don't think so that the US will leave any time soon. Why should they? Camp Bondsteel has been built for at least a century, strategically perfectly located and the sting which p***es many Anti-Americans of. So, simply perfect."

Why would they leave you ask? I'll give you $16 TRILLION reasons and counting. The USA is broke. There is no national security threat to the USA from the balkans. It simply can't afford it!! I'm sure the Serbian Army will put Bondsteel to good use once the US leaves.

Dragan, yes Kosovo was taken from Serbia because she mishandled the human rights of 2 millions of her citizens.

The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!
(robert1899

And the big bad wolf will come again??? You have us scared. Except, the rest of us don't live in the middle ages to believe that crap.
Dragan, grow up and act your age.

"Normalisation".

What's 'normal'?

War? Hatred? Division?

The normal status would be strong autonomy under Serbia.

Le'ts have that - but within the EU please.

There is nothing normal about trying to create a new country on another countriy's land.

After spending so many hours together, I hear that Thaci and Dacic are now hanging out together after hours, and thinking of starting an Albanian/Serbian dating site, for hetero and homo interested parties. Serbia and Kosovo have come a long way indeed since they stopped killing each other. let's get this crap over with, and move on. People need jobs and a future, not the redrawing of borders.

Nikolle,

From your lips to gods ears. It will happen, can count on it!

Serbia is not playing "dirty games" but only defending Serbs in the province which was taken by force.If one can be proud of being thief of any reason then there is no morality in this world.
Dragan,20 March 2013.

Tell us more about it please!
When Yugosllavia was formed ,didn't all countreis have borders,Croatia ,Bosnia and Serbia.Wouldn't those borders would be respected in the case the union will break up?!If EU will break up today shouldn't each EU country have its original borders that got in the Union in the first place??

Now tell us please How come that Serbia got in the Yugoslavia with its original borders , only Beligrade pasaluk, but along the way got "pregnad" with Kosova and Vojvodina and Bulgar ,Romanian teritories?!!
And further more wanted more teritoreis in Croatia ,Krahina Srpska,and Bosnia,Rep.Srpska,and now wants North Kosova.

You must be talking about Srb morality or not??

A pic is worth thousand words.
Ashton has loads of paper in front of her, and Tadic has his most likely Serbian platform, which was approved by Serb parliament. On mean time look in front of Thaci and his aids, there is not one single paper. If anybody wonders why, I will tell you: " Kosova side needs nothing since is not negotiation anything at all.

A pic is worth thousand words.
Ashton has loads of paper in front of her, and Tadic has his most likely Serbian platform, which was approved by Serb parliament. On mean time look in front of Thaci and his aids, there is not one single paper. If anybody wonders why, I will tell you: " Kosova side needs nothing since is not negotiation anything at all.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 March 2013 18:29)

Ardi, I don't know what picture your looking at, but that is not Tadic. Tadic is only in your dreams.

The third round has started and all this within the same day. Something is cooking, but we will wait for final results. All I know is that; Ivica is not a happy camper. Time will tell.

Look at Ashton and Thaci all smile, and look at Dacic's sad face"

How it is seen in Asia? If somebody is starting really smiling, it becomes dangerous for you.

"Ashton has loads of paper in front of her, and Tadic has his most likely Serbian platform, Thaci and his aids, there is not one single paper. If anybody wonders why, I will tell you: " Kosova side needs nothing since is not negotiation anything at all."

Ardi Asllani

The reason Thaqi doesn't have any papers in front of his is because he can't read. By the way, I didn't know Thaqi had aids.

The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!
(robert1899, 20 March 2013 14:32)

Like the Russians left you 2003? Maybe you project your fate with poor friends upon others. But hey, what else can you say..
I don't think so that the US will leave any time soon. Why should they? Camp Bondsteel has been built for at least a century, strategically perfectly located and the sting which p***es many Anti-Americans of. So, simply perfect.

Aloha!

"The normal status would be strong autonomy under Serbia. "

because this worked so well in the past didn't it?

Why would they leave you ask? I'll give you $16 TRILLION reasons and counting.
(robert1899, 20 March 2013 18:02)

LOL, and who holds primarily the debt papers? Answer: American individuals, companies and banks. US corporations e.g. Apple, Boeing, General Electric, Exxon, Google, Microsoft, etc. are several multi-trillion dollar companies which dominate unchallenged their markets and are still expanding. Those are the real assets of the US. The rest is just accounting.

Furthermore, the US are about to make them even in the energetic sector independent, exceeding in oil and gas Saudi Arabia and Russia. Then the US steam hammer works not only perfectly but also makes another trillion earnings, while screwing up all Russian ambitions and flooding the market with cheap energy. The US are perfectly safe for another century and maintaining a few nukes is never so affordable.

Nevertheless, your Serbian soldiers are welcome in Camp Bondsteel as well. POW are always treated well.

Cheers!

"The USA is broke. ...
(robert1899, 20 March 2013 18:02) "

Don't get your hopes up too high. The scary numbers come from worst-case projections by the Congressional Budget Office, and these are already improving (from June 2012 to Feb 2013) based on changes that have already been made. If Congress does not behave over the next 10 years as stupidly as assumed in the "alternate scenario," things will be in reasonable shape. In any case, Turkey stands ready and willing to help Kosovo militarily. (BTW, if you have a mortgage, do you consider that you are fatally indebted because the outstanding amount on the loan is multiples of your annual income?)

John, you are absolutely right. Serbian soldiers as POWs would definitely be well treated. They would say afterward that the "room and board" they received was much, much better than life in Serbian barracks.

robert1899, the financial world is apparently not your area of expertise. What Bondsteel costs the US is a tiny drop in the bucket, absolutely nothing compared to the 16 trillions. And if more money is needed we just print more (currently about 65 billion more per month). We can afford to do it contrary to small states like Serbia because the big part of foreign currency reserves in the world is still in dollars and will remain so. As a result - if there is a world wide financial crisis again - the world shares our debts and problems. So your dreams will remain for ever dreams.

Interesting picture and comments. It also could be that Ashton and Thachi proposed something they think is really cool and are waiting in anticipation of the response and Dacic is reading through and thinking something very negative. It's really hard to read into what one is thinking from a picture. Who knows, may Thaci cracked a joke and is hoping for a response....

Everything is easy now with serbias ardent support of Kosovo independence bt what about Kosovo Serbs?

How could it come so far? Ms. Ashton featuring Dači&Thaćič, who once pretended to be the spearheads of two antagonized groups.
Could it be the one is not insisting on independence while the other guy is telling him, he is not taking Kosovo back under no circumstance, last of all that troublesome northern Part.

After the trilateral meeting between Serbian PM Ivica Dačić, Kosovo PM Hashim Thaci and EU High Representative Catherine Ashton, the Serbian and Kosovo representatives met separately with Ashton.Before he met with Thaci and Ashton, Dačić had met separately with U.S. diplomat in charge of the Western Balkans Philip Reeker. "

Too many chefs are never good preparing a meal. This is no the problem for Serbia to "negotiate" all details on such high, but normally not so perfect prepared level like experts. In other parts of the world this involvement of Dacic in each little talk would mean loosing the face. But this was done long before.

"Normalisation".

Yes, that the problem, whats the meaning of normalization here? Is normal relations like between US and Canada or is normal relations like between Pakistan and India? You cannot ignore the historical and the cultural differences, and here are real differences/disputes. Otherwise you are trying to built a house on sand or illusions. Once I asked a wise old person in a region with historical tensions about the prospects for peace. His answer with a wise smile was "Never". And this understanding what is not possible makes a solution within a limited framework possible. Only this: after to both sides it was clear, in which areas no compromises are possible, the way was free for an agreement. But for such a situation you need many years and very intelligent people. I cannot see them in Belgrade or Prishtina.

Well-informed German media are reporting the main issues are solved and on April 2nd only the final details will be clarified. It shows the weak Serbian position to held in this moment a joint press-conference in Brussels. The EU/US are doing all to press Serbia to demonstrate the u-turn in all important questions. The meeting of Nikolic and Thaci in Rome was well prepared b the Austrians. One of the real US-Balkan-experts made very clear that Nikolic got some messages from the US-Vice-president, which were not nice for him. To make a statement, that the US is not well informed, was one of the most stupid words Nikolic took in his mouth. It will be interesting what Dacic & Nikolic are doing now with the Serbs in Kosovo after the coming capitulation.

"From your lips to gods ears."

yes...because I type with my lips, thats how weird I am

Media is reporting that Serbia has agreed for most of the Ahtisari plan and for the tel code for Kosovo 383.
They are going to sign the agreement on April 2.
In September will disscus,in expert levels,the missing people,the pensions for K-Alb who worked under YU etc.
If this is true,it will be a really good for both peoples.
Peace and prosperity!The future will be brighter my friends!

[http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151503435339329&set=a.10150440606254329.381418.794154328&type=1&theater]

This is what Serbs living in Serbia think :)

I would rather say that Kosovo should commit in writing or in front of the cameras. The problem lies in Kosovo, not in Serbia.

@Rocky. Trying to promote stability in the Balkans, by robbing the territory, and ethnically cleansing the very same territory is a joke.
Serbia is not playing " dirty games" but only defending Serbs in the province which was taken by force. If one can be proud of being thief for any reason then there is no morality in this world.

A clip from US press,

"Perhaps only foreign policy nerds (guilty!) will note that Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci’s meeting with Biden on Monday was unveiled at the last minute, after the announcement that the vice president would meet with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic."

The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!

I would rather say that Kosovo should commit in writing or in front of the cameras. The problem lies in Kosovo, not in Serbia.
(Milli, 20 March 2013 10:11)

Sorry milli, the entire world sees first hand that Serbia is the one playing these dirty games of deception! Every civilized nation involved with trying to promote stability in the Balkans, is fed up with these Serbian smokescreen politics!!!

Dragan, yes Kosovo was taken from Serbia because she mishandled the human rights of 2 millions of her citizens.

"The normal status would be strong autonomy under Serbia. "

because this worked so well in the past didn't it?

Milli vanilli you have to be joking, right? It is Serbia who has time after time after time agreed to things in Brussels and then came back and told a totally different story once back in Serbia. Remember the nameplate fiasco where the EU representative had to come out and say that Serbia was saying one thing that was no where near what was agreed to.
That is why they want it on camera so no longer the 2 tales.

Look at Ashton and Thaci all smile, and look at Dacic's sad face.

"Normalisation".

What's 'normal'?

War? Hatred? Division?

The normal status would be strong autonomy under Serbia.

Le'ts have that - but within the EU please.

There is nothing normal about trying to create a new country on another countriy's land.

"the US has already forgotten about you albanians."

ok....so what? why don't you come and take over then?

The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!
(robert1899, 20 March 2013 14:32)

Like the Russians left you 2003? Maybe you project your fate with poor friends upon others. But hey, what else can you say..
I don't think so that the US will leave any time soon. Why should they? Camp Bondsteel has been built for at least a century, strategically perfectly located and the sting which p***es many Anti-Americans of. So, simply perfect.

Aloha!

Serbia is not playing "dirty games" but only defending Serbs in the province which was taken by force.If one can be proud of being thief of any reason then there is no morality in this world.
Dragan,20 March 2013.

Tell us more about it please!
When Yugosllavia was formed ,didn't all countreis have borders,Croatia ,Bosnia and Serbia.Wouldn't those borders would be respected in the case the union will break up?!If EU will break up today shouldn't each EU country have its original borders that got in the Union in the first place??

Now tell us please How come that Serbia got in the Yugoslavia with its original borders , only Beligrade pasaluk, but along the way got "pregnad" with Kosova and Vojvodina and Bulgar ,Romanian teritories?!!
And further more wanted more teritoreis in Croatia ,Krahina Srpska,and Bosnia,Rep.Srpska,and now wants North Kosova.

You must be talking about Srb morality or not??

How could it come so far? Ms. Ashton featuring Dači&Thaćič, who once pretended to be the spearheads of two antagonized groups.
Could it be the one is not insisting on independence while the other guy is telling him, he is not taking Kosovo back under no circumstance, last of all that troublesome northern Part.

"The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!"(robert1899, 20 March 2013 14:32)

For your information the battle of Kosovo in 1899, was a joint war when the serbs and albanians joind forces to remove the automan invadors.

The US has already forgotten about you albanians. They will leave you one day, as they have so many!
(robert1899

And the big bad wolf will come again??? You have us scared. Except, the rest of us don't live in the middle ages to believe that crap.
Dragan, grow up and act your age.

"Ashton has loads of paper in front of her, and Tadic has his most likely Serbian platform, Thaci and his aids, there is not one single paper. If anybody wonders why, I will tell you: " Kosova side needs nothing since is not negotiation anything at all."

Ardi Asllani

The reason Thaqi doesn't have any papers in front of his is because he can't read. By the way, I didn't know Thaqi had aids.

"From your lips to gods ears."

yes...because I type with my lips, thats how weird I am

robert1899, the financial world is apparently not your area of expertise. What Bondsteel costs the US is a tiny drop in the bucket, absolutely nothing compared to the 16 trillions. And if more money is needed we just print more (currently about 65 billion more per month). We can afford to do it contrary to small states like Serbia because the big part of foreign currency reserves in the world is still in dollars and will remain so. As a result - if there is a world wide financial crisis again - the world shares our debts and problems. So your dreams will remain for ever dreams.

"The USA is broke. ...
(robert1899, 20 March 2013 18:02) "

Don't get your hopes up too high. The scary numbers come from worst-case projections by the Congressional Budget Office, and these are already improving (from June 2012 to Feb 2013) based on changes that have already been made. If Congress does not behave over the next 10 years as stupidly as assumed in the "alternate scenario," things will be in reasonable shape. In any case, Turkey stands ready and willing to help Kosovo militarily. (BTW, if you have a mortgage, do you consider that you are fatally indebted because the outstanding amount on the loan is multiples of your annual income?)

Why would they leave you ask? I'll give you $16 TRILLION reasons and counting.
(robert1899, 20 March 2013 18:02)

LOL, and who holds primarily the debt papers? Answer: American individuals, companies and banks. US corporations e.g. Apple, Boeing, General Electric, Exxon, Google, Microsoft, etc. are several multi-trillion dollar companies which dominate unchallenged their markets and are still expanding. Those are the real assets of the US. The rest is just accounting.

Furthermore, the US are about to make them even in the energetic sector independent, exceeding in oil and gas Saudi Arabia and Russia. Then the US steam hammer works not only perfectly but also makes another trillion earnings, while screwing up all Russian ambitions and flooding the market with cheap energy. The US are perfectly safe for another century and maintaining a few nukes is never so affordable.

Nevertheless, your Serbian soldiers are welcome in Camp Bondsteel as well. POW are always treated well.

Cheers!

The third round has started and all this within the same day. Something is cooking, but we will wait for final results. All I know is that; Ivica is not a happy camper. Time will tell.

John, you are absolutely right. Serbian soldiers as POWs would definitely be well treated. They would say afterward that the "room and board" they received was much, much better than life in Serbian barracks.

A pic is worth thousand words.
Ashton has loads of paper in front of her, and Tadic has his most likely Serbian platform, which was approved by Serb parliament. On mean time look in front of Thaci and his aids, there is not one single paper. If anybody wonders why, I will tell you: " Kosova side needs nothing since is not negotiation anything at all.

Everything is easy now with serbias ardent support of Kosovo independence bt what about Kosovo Serbs?

After spending so many hours together, I hear that Thaci and Dacic are now hanging out together after hours, and thinking of starting an Albanian/Serbian dating site, for hetero and homo interested parties. Serbia and Kosovo have come a long way indeed since they stopped killing each other. let's get this crap over with, and move on. People need jobs and a future, not the redrawing of borders.

@John
"I don't think so that the US will leave any time soon. Why should they? Camp Bondsteel has been built for at least a century, strategically perfectly located and the sting which p***es many Anti-Americans of. So, simply perfect."

Why would they leave you ask? I'll give you $16 TRILLION reasons and counting. The USA is broke. There is no national security threat to the USA from the balkans. It simply can't afford it!! I'm sure the Serbian Army will put Bondsteel to good use once the US leaves.

Nikolle,

From your lips to gods ears. It will happen, can count on it!

A pic is worth thousand words.
Ashton has loads of paper in front of her, and Tadic has his most likely Serbian platform, which was approved by Serb parliament. On mean time look in front of Thaci and his aids, there is not one single paper. If anybody wonders why, I will tell you: " Kosova side needs nothing since is not negotiation anything at all.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 March 2013 18:29)

Ardi, I don't know what picture your looking at, but that is not Tadic. Tadic is only in your dreams.

"Normalisation".

Yes, that the problem, whats the meaning of normalization here? Is normal relations like between US and Canada or is normal relations like between Pakistan and India? You cannot ignore the historical and the cultural differences, and here are real differences/disputes. Otherwise you are trying to built a house on sand or illusions. Once I asked a wise old person in a region with historical tensions about the prospects for peace. His answer with a wise smile was "Never". And this understanding what is not possible makes a solution within a limited framework possible. Only this: after to both sides it was clear, in which areas no compromises are possible, the way was free for an agreement. But for such a situation you need many years and very intelligent people. I cannot see them in Belgrade or Prishtina.

Well-informed German media are reporting the main issues are solved and on April 2nd only the final details will be clarified. It shows the weak Serbian position to held in this moment a joint press-conference in Brussels. The EU/US are doing all to press Serbia to demonstrate the u-turn in all important questions. The meeting of Nikolic and Thaci in Rome was well prepared b the Austrians. One of the real US-Balkan-experts made very clear that Nikolic got some messages from the US-Vice-president, which were not nice for him. To make a statement, that the US is not well informed, was one of the most stupid words Nikolic took in his mouth. It will be interesting what Dacic & Nikolic are doing now with the Serbs in Kosovo after the coming capitulation.

After the trilateral meeting between Serbian PM Ivica Dačić, Kosovo PM Hashim Thaci and EU High Representative Catherine Ashton, the Serbian and Kosovo representatives met separately with Ashton.Before he met with Thaci and Ashton, Dačić had met separately with U.S. diplomat in charge of the Western Balkans Philip Reeker. "

Too many chefs are never good preparing a meal. This is no the problem for Serbia to "negotiate" all details on such high, but normally not so perfect prepared level like experts. In other parts of the world this involvement of Dacic in each little talk would mean loosing the face. But this was done long before.

Look at Ashton and Thaci all smile, and look at Dacic's sad face"

How it is seen in Asia? If somebody is starting really smiling, it becomes dangerous for you.

Interesting picture and comments. It also could be that Ashton and Thachi proposed something they think is really cool and are waiting in anticipation of the response and Dacic is reading through and thinking something very negative. It's really hard to read into what one is thinking from a picture. Who knows, may Thaci cracked a joke and is hoping for a response....

Media is reporting that Serbia has agreed for most of the Ahtisari plan and for the tel code for Kosovo 383.
They are going to sign the agreement on April 2.
In September will disscus,in expert levels,the missing people,the pensions for K-Alb who worked under YU etc.
If this is true,it will be a really good for both peoples.
Peace and prosperity!The future will be brighter my friends!

[http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151503435339329&set=a.10150440606254329.381418.794154328&type=1&theater]

This is what Serbs living in Serbia think :)