Normal Croat wants to live a decent life, being a nice nationalist .... immigrant in Austria just wont cut it. Same stands for Serbs. Yugoslavia lost SO MANY BRAINS to the west, that this delayed retro hate speech is so ..... 90s. The slavs all over were sold in hatred against their own and finally abandoned in the cold. Time to wake up.
PS
I see good and sincere moves from the Croats lately. And this feels so natural. Croats would be always friendly to Serbs if they had no believed in the western promises of death against their own back in the 90s.
Mamic has nothing against serbs and I would love him to be head of our football association instead of the incompetent idiot Tole Karadzic. I really like Mamic and this statement just shows some sort of personal vendetta against that minister. This guy is not a hateful person and has lots of serbian friends and companions. In fact, he is a very popular figure in Serbia. Drzi se Mamicu!
I don't think I've ever heard a more idiotic statement. In other words, is he a Croat right? Wow, how inclusive you sound. If you followed your twisted logic, half the politicians of Europe wouldn't be eligible to be a minister in their respective governments. It's because of attitudes like yours Croatia has just about scraped into the EU after 13 years of effort, and huge German backing.
Sorry Michael but you are being disingenuous to use this man's words and the reaction to them as some sort of assault on free speech. It is patently clear to all, not just some invisible organs of the state, that these statements went beyond the normal bounds of 'free' speech. I live in Britain and feel under no pressure whatsoever to keep my opinions to myself on any matter but I am aware of the limits of free speech and the need to show responsible restraint when expressing those opinions. Racially aggravated assault is an offence in Britain and does cause some consternation but only in the complexities of its interpretation rather than the fact that it exists at all.Insulting a person purely on the basis of their race or religion is unacceptable in any civilised society not least in a country that will be an EU member shortly. As for insulting Islam, it cuts both ways. Many radical Islamic preachers have found themselves on the wrong end of UK law for fomenting racial hatred including a few who are now in the hands of the 'Great Satan' for their troubles.
Some may be forgiven for believing that it is this man and his views that you wish to defend rather than the principle of free speech itself.
I as well was going to make references to the U.S. where if Mamic was a resident (perhaps at least a legal resident) or traveler to the U.S. that he'd probably not be in jeopardy of being subject to an arrest all because the U.S constitution or whatever guarantees the right to free speech even if it's offensive or appalling to certain "walks of life." But since there are Serbs who don't think highly of the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if they accuse the U.S. of showing Croats who reside or are visitors to the U.S. favoritism but then again I try to be doubtful that the U.S. bestows favoritism or preferential treatment to Croat nationals residing or visiting the U.S. and besides there are occasional Ku Klux Klan rallies ( Ku Klux Klan or KKK for short for some who are unaware is a white supremacist group) in the U.S. where free speech guarantees them the right to preach hate (most notably the KKK preaches racism against black folks and probably against Jews as well.)
Free Speech is by definition unrestrained. If governments impose restrictions on what we can say, then we are not free.
Should offensive speech be restrained? Who decides if some words are offensive? It'll be someone in government who is pressured by powerful forces to have certain subjects declared offensive and therefore illegal.
We know it is impossible to be critical of Islam in most Moslem countries, but it is become increasing difficult to discuss that subject in Britain without having the police breakdown you front door and charge you with religious intolerance.
I would rather live in a society where all shades of opinion can be heard rather than a society where we hear only what our Masters consider decent.
What else would you expect from a nazi sympathizer. Croatia will make him a national hero and the vatican will glorify him{?}Scum bag!Wake up SERBIA!The clock is ticking!
I really couldn't care less what this man thinks or even says as long as he is not calling anyone to arms. Putting this man in jail is not going to change his mind or feelings nor anyone else's mind or feelings. It might even do the opposite.
Anyone who thinks like him is going to continue and even worse now and anyone who doesn't think like him is going to see this man in a very bad light.
His own words will be his undoing, not the law. I think it's a waste of time prosecuting him. It will achieve nothing except to keep people like him hidden and develop a whole underground of this which will be even harder to detect.
Whether he says it or not, nothing changes. At least if he is allowed to speak his mind and others like him, we as a society will be in a better position to detect problems.
I say, let him talk. He can't benefit from it but the society then has a chance to know who they are dealing with and make informed decisions.
(robert1899, 18 March 2013 19:22) - we also have laws against slander and libel - not being able to hurl every insult you'd like to is not simply "political correctness." The Croatian officials behaved admirably.
Michael: Oh dear me. Firstly, there is no such thing as complete freedom of speech. It would not be unreasonable to suggest that what Mamic said is close to incitement to racial hatred. What if I incite people to murder, is that OK? There are limits placed on all our 'freedoms' as we do not exist in separate bubbles. As for what would make Serbia and Croatia better countries, fewer people like Mamic would be a good start.
Hate crimes are a waste of courts, law enforcement and time. Let the fool speak. If he hadn't we would all have remained ignorant of the existence of something called the "Croatian brain".
And about the "ethnic Serb" in some ministry in Croatia. How did he manage that? Is he Catholic?
Your load of bull doesn't even fly in the the United States, where freedom of speech is a protected right. In the US they call it political correctness.
"In a free society people should be able to voice their true feelings. If they offend some people, so what?"
(Michael Thomas, 18 March 2013 16:54)
You have a s strange idea of 'free society' and 'free speech' if you can insult other people with the rudest words. I'm not advocating the western type of 'PC speech' where it is not allowed to tell obvious things, but there must be limits - and this guy clearly overstepped them.
"In a free society people should be able to voice their true feelings. If they offend some people, so what?"
(Michael Thomas, 18 March 2013 16:54)
You have a s strange idea of 'free society' and 'free speech' if you can insult other people with the rudest words. I'm not advocating the western type of 'PC speech' where it is not allowed to tell obvious things, but there must be limits - and this guy clearly overstepped them.
What else would you expect from a nazi sympathizer. Croatia will make him a national hero and the vatican will glorify him{?}Scum bag!Wake up SERBIA!The clock is ticking!
Your load of bull doesn't even fly in the the United States, where freedom of speech is a protected right. In the US they call it political correctness.
Hate crimes are a waste of courts, law enforcement and time. Let the fool speak. If he hadn't we would all have remained ignorant of the existence of something called the "Croatian brain".
And about the "ethnic Serb" in some ministry in Croatia. How did he manage that? Is he Catholic?
Michael: Oh dear me. Firstly, there is no such thing as complete freedom of speech. It would not be unreasonable to suggest that what Mamic said is close to incitement to racial hatred. What if I incite people to murder, is that OK? There are limits placed on all our 'freedoms' as we do not exist in separate bubbles. As for what would make Serbia and Croatia better countries, fewer people like Mamic would be a good start.
Mamic has nothing against serbs and I would love him to be head of our football association instead of the incompetent idiot Tole Karadzic. I really like Mamic and this statement just shows some sort of personal vendetta against that minister. This guy is not a hateful person and has lots of serbian friends and companions. In fact, he is a very popular figure in Serbia. Drzi se Mamicu!
I really couldn't care less what this man thinks or even says as long as he is not calling anyone to arms. Putting this man in jail is not going to change his mind or feelings nor anyone else's mind or feelings. It might even do the opposite.
Anyone who thinks like him is going to continue and even worse now and anyone who doesn't think like him is going to see this man in a very bad light.
His own words will be his undoing, not the law. I think it's a waste of time prosecuting him. It will achieve nothing except to keep people like him hidden and develop a whole underground of this which will be even harder to detect.
Whether he says it or not, nothing changes. At least if he is allowed to speak his mind and others like him, we as a society will be in a better position to detect problems.
I say, let him talk. He can't benefit from it but the society then has a chance to know who they are dealing with and make informed decisions.
(robert1899, 18 March 2013 19:22) - we also have laws against slander and libel - not being able to hurl every insult you'd like to is not simply "political correctness." The Croatian officials behaved admirably.
I don't think I've ever heard a more idiotic statement. In other words, is he a Croat right? Wow, how inclusive you sound. If you followed your twisted logic, half the politicians of Europe wouldn't be eligible to be a minister in their respective governments. It's because of attitudes like yours Croatia has just about scraped into the EU after 13 years of effort, and huge German backing.
Normal Croat wants to live a decent life, being a nice nationalist .... immigrant in Austria just wont cut it. Same stands for Serbs. Yugoslavia lost SO MANY BRAINS to the west, that this delayed retro hate speech is so ..... 90s. The slavs all over were sold in hatred against their own and finally abandoned in the cold. Time to wake up.
PS
I see good and sincere moves from the Croats lately. And this feels so natural. Croats would be always friendly to Serbs if they had no believed in the western promises of death against their own back in the 90s.
Free Speech is by definition unrestrained. If governments impose restrictions on what we can say, then we are not free.
Should offensive speech be restrained? Who decides if some words are offensive? It'll be someone in government who is pressured by powerful forces to have certain subjects declared offensive and therefore illegal.
We know it is impossible to be critical of Islam in most Moslem countries, but it is become increasing difficult to discuss that subject in Britain without having the police breakdown you front door and charge you with religious intolerance.
I would rather live in a society where all shades of opinion can be heard rather than a society where we hear only what our Masters consider decent.
Sorry Michael but you are being disingenuous to use this man's words and the reaction to them as some sort of assault on free speech. It is patently clear to all, not just some invisible organs of the state, that these statements went beyond the normal bounds of 'free' speech. I live in Britain and feel under no pressure whatsoever to keep my opinions to myself on any matter but I am aware of the limits of free speech and the need to show responsible restraint when expressing those opinions. Racially aggravated assault is an offence in Britain and does cause some consternation but only in the complexities of its interpretation rather than the fact that it exists at all.Insulting a person purely on the basis of their race or religion is unacceptable in any civilised society not least in a country that will be an EU member shortly. As for insulting Islam, it cuts both ways. Many radical Islamic preachers have found themselves on the wrong end of UK law for fomenting racial hatred including a few who are now in the hands of the 'Great Satan' for their troubles.
Some may be forgiven for believing that it is this man and his views that you wish to defend rather than the principle of free speech itself.
I as well was going to make references to the U.S. where if Mamic was a resident (perhaps at least a legal resident) or traveler to the U.S. that he'd probably not be in jeopardy of being subject to an arrest all because the U.S constitution or whatever guarantees the right to free speech even if it's offensive or appalling to certain "walks of life." But since there are Serbs who don't think highly of the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if they accuse the U.S. of showing Croats who reside or are visitors to the U.S. favoritism but then again I try to be doubtful that the U.S. bestows favoritism or preferential treatment to Croat nationals residing or visiting the U.S. and besides there are occasional Ku Klux Klan rallies ( Ku Klux Klan or KKK for short for some who are unaware is a white supremacist group) in the U.S. where free speech guarantees them the right to preach hate (most notably the KKK preaches racism against black folks and probably against Jews as well.)
What else would you expect from a nazi sympathizer. Croatia will make him a national hero and the vatican will glorify him{?}Scum bag!Wake up SERBIA!The clock is ticking!
Your load of bull doesn't even fly in the the United States, where freedom of speech is a protected right. In the US they call it political correctness.
(robert1899, 18 March 2013 19:22) - we also have laws against slander and libel - not being able to hurl every insult you'd like to is not simply "political correctness." The Croatian officials behaved admirably.
"In a free society people should be able to voice their true feelings. If they offend some people, so what?"
(Michael Thomas, 18 March 2013 16:54)
You have a s strange idea of 'free society' and 'free speech' if you can insult other people with the rudest words. I'm not advocating the western type of 'PC speech' where it is not allowed to tell obvious things, but there must be limits - and this guy clearly overstepped them.
I really couldn't care less what this man thinks or even says as long as he is not calling anyone to arms. Putting this man in jail is not going to change his mind or feelings nor anyone else's mind or feelings. It might even do the opposite.
Anyone who thinks like him is going to continue and even worse now and anyone who doesn't think like him is going to see this man in a very bad light.
His own words will be his undoing, not the law. I think it's a waste of time prosecuting him. It will achieve nothing except to keep people like him hidden and develop a whole underground of this which will be even harder to detect.
Whether he says it or not, nothing changes. At least if he is allowed to speak his mind and others like him, we as a society will be in a better position to detect problems.
I say, let him talk. He can't benefit from it but the society then has a chance to know who they are dealing with and make informed decisions.
Michael: Oh dear me. Firstly, there is no such thing as complete freedom of speech. It would not be unreasonable to suggest that what Mamic said is close to incitement to racial hatred. What if I incite people to murder, is that OK? There are limits placed on all our 'freedoms' as we do not exist in separate bubbles. As for what would make Serbia and Croatia better countries, fewer people like Mamic would be a good start.
Mamic has nothing against serbs and I would love him to be head of our football association instead of the incompetent idiot Tole Karadzic. I really like Mamic and this statement just shows some sort of personal vendetta against that minister. This guy is not a hateful person and has lots of serbian friends and companions. In fact, he is a very popular figure in Serbia. Drzi se Mamicu!
Hate crimes are a waste of courts, law enforcement and time. Let the fool speak. If he hadn't we would all have remained ignorant of the existence of something called the "Croatian brain".
And about the "ethnic Serb" in some ministry in Croatia. How did he manage that? Is he Catholic?
I don't think I've ever heard a more idiotic statement. In other words, is he a Croat right? Wow, how inclusive you sound. If you followed your twisted logic, half the politicians of Europe wouldn't be eligible to be a minister in their respective governments. It's because of attitudes like yours Croatia has just about scraped into the EU after 13 years of effort, and huge German backing.
Normal Croat wants to live a decent life, being a nice nationalist .... immigrant in Austria just wont cut it. Same stands for Serbs. Yugoslavia lost SO MANY BRAINS to the west, that this delayed retro hate speech is so ..... 90s. The slavs all over were sold in hatred against their own and finally abandoned in the cold. Time to wake up.
PS
I see good and sincere moves from the Croats lately. And this feels so natural. Croats would be always friendly to Serbs if they had no believed in the western promises of death against their own back in the 90s.
Free Speech is by definition unrestrained. If governments impose restrictions on what we can say, then we are not free.
Should offensive speech be restrained? Who decides if some words are offensive? It'll be someone in government who is pressured by powerful forces to have certain subjects declared offensive and therefore illegal.
We know it is impossible to be critical of Islam in most Moslem countries, but it is become increasing difficult to discuss that subject in Britain without having the police breakdown you front door and charge you with religious intolerance.
I would rather live in a society where all shades of opinion can be heard rather than a society where we hear only what our Masters consider decent.
I as well was going to make references to the U.S. where if Mamic was a resident (perhaps at least a legal resident) or traveler to the U.S. that he'd probably not be in jeopardy of being subject to an arrest all because the U.S constitution or whatever guarantees the right to free speech even if it's offensive or appalling to certain "walks of life." But since there are Serbs who don't think highly of the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if they accuse the U.S. of showing Croats who reside or are visitors to the U.S. favoritism but then again I try to be doubtful that the U.S. bestows favoritism or preferential treatment to Croat nationals residing or visiting the U.S. and besides there are occasional Ku Klux Klan rallies ( Ku Klux Klan or KKK for short for some who are unaware is a white supremacist group) in the U.S. where free speech guarantees them the right to preach hate (most notably the KKK preaches racism against black folks and probably against Jews as well.)
Sorry Michael but you are being disingenuous to use this man's words and the reaction to them as some sort of assault on free speech. It is patently clear to all, not just some invisible organs of the state, that these statements went beyond the normal bounds of 'free' speech. I live in Britain and feel under no pressure whatsoever to keep my opinions to myself on any matter but I am aware of the limits of free speech and the need to show responsible restraint when expressing those opinions. Racially aggravated assault is an offence in Britain and does cause some consternation but only in the complexities of its interpretation rather than the fact that it exists at all.Insulting a person purely on the basis of their race or religion is unacceptable in any civilised society not least in a country that will be an EU member shortly. As for insulting Islam, it cuts both ways. Many radical Islamic preachers have found themselves on the wrong end of UK law for fomenting racial hatred including a few who are now in the hands of the 'Great Satan' for their troubles.
Some may be forgiven for believing that it is this man and his views that you wish to defend rather than the principle of free speech itself.
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