Serbia marks decade since Đinđić assassination

During the bombings Zoran Djindjic said that Serbia should be bombed even harder. He was a treasonous leader not unlike the leaders we have today. He wasn't a dictator so his assassination was not called for but he should not be honored in any way. The only reason he has any supporters today is because he was simply murdered before the deceit of the Otpor-ista's could come to light. Look at the DS today, it is unpopular and hated by most Serbs. Djindjic was no different, if he was alive today the DS would be no less hated by ordinary Serbs.

Always interesting to hear the teenaged experts from Australia.

Tell me, Ari, could you count on one hand how many months you've spent in Serbia or would it take 2?

Dear Zoran Djindjic,

I will never forget the drive and energy you put into your work for better Serbia. It only took few days after your brutal assasination when even many of your opponents in citizenry realized what was lost.

That we have pre-puberty person like Ari Gold - a perfect mix of ignorance and arrogance - writing about you with hate in his heart ten years after your murder is a good example showing in which hell hole Serbia had been taken to during late 1980's and during 1990's.

I had the honour to meet you only once, in the school of Kralja Petra where our kids went to school. But the memory of that moment lives as long as me. I met a courageous man walking up the mountain of problems, slope filled with hateful and violent opponents.

I don't think you can still rest in piece. Maybe some day.

Yours,

Olli

I don't know about Ari but what I can say Danilo is that I know many young Serbs from different places in Serbia, most of which are completely disillusioned with Serbian politics but at the same time view pro-western policies in a very negative light, Djindjic is hardly considered a hero. While having only negative views about Milosevic what I can say is that the arrival of Djindjic was no improvement, both were corrupt snakes but what seperates Djindjic is how he never condemned the NATO bombing. The bombings saw greater bittnerness towards the west from both pro and anti-Milosevic Serbs. Danilo I would be interested to know why you worship Djindjic and why he was such a saint in your view, though I suppose any Serb who is willing to get on his knees and lick the backside of the EU and NATO is favourable in your opinion. You need to accept however that the Serbian youth is moving away from Djindjic ideals, most of the anti-western sentiment in Serbia comes from the youth.

Dindic was for Serbia to be part of Europe. That is the view of the current government and it is a correct view.

Good turnout today, although I wasn't there. I believe that some of the ideals of Djindjic still resonate today.

Above all this means to be energetic, to do something constructive and to try to change the future for the better.

There were a number of policies that Djindjic pushed through that I didn't agree with and I was vocal about that. However, that doesn't change the fact that he advocated positive principles.

Obsession with negative feelings was always a feature of his enemies and that remains true today. These days however his political opponents respect him and its only a minority that enjoy conjuring up hatred stored within.

Danilo,

Your comment against Ari seems to be a diversion from the question of whether Djindjic, who extradited Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic to the Hague on the most important date in the Serbian calendar, the day of the 1389 Battle of Kosovo, deserves to be honored as a hero mainly because he was assassinated.

There are many Serbs who see Djindjic as a foreign-financed operator who led Serbia toward colonization and economic collapse by selling out to America, Germany and their transnational enterprises in the form of the IMF, World Bank, the EU and NATO.

But rather than heed the millions of Serbs who have had to live through the destruction and Western-financed takeover, why not let's just hear from an expert contributor to England's Guardian. Neil Clark, in his commentary "The quisling of Belgrade" wrote "The murdered Serbian prime minister was a reviled western stooge whose economic reforms brought misery...". I believe a re-reading of that article can balance the coverage of Djindjic here at B92, which served as the main Western-financed media vehicle to parachute him into power in line with the demands of the US State Department.

Here's the URL for Clark's full text, published 2 days after the assassination: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/14/serbia.comment

A hearing of both sides will give a much more complete picture of the person named Zoran Djindjic.

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch
Journalist
john.b@imcnews.com

Obviously support for the ideals of Djindjic has increased recently judging by the number of people attending this commemoration today compared with previous years. That is clear. This is not so much due to Djindjic's policies but the emphasis Djindjic put on hard work, energy and looking to the future. This is something Serbian society still lacks today.

Tut tut Zoran lecturing Olli about personal attacks when you do that on a regular basis. And its most amusing listening to an Australian telling the rest of us what 'non Serbs' are.

Your criteria seems to be a case of 'if he mirrors my views then he's a Serb, if he doesn't he is a non Serb'. Classy!

(Danilo, 12 March 2013 10:56)

What is the hate for? Did I insult your treasonous and traitorous idol?? What does it matter if I live in the Diaspora anyway? The diaspora sends billions of dollars every year to Serbia. Israel survives on its diaspora, Armenia and Greece have large and influential diaspora's as well. Serbia needs to take advantage of its resources in the West, not insult because they happen to be living outside of Serbia.

You blame Serbian patriotism every time it rains outside. Does it even matter if you live in Serbia if your such a self-hating person? No I don't think so. And to answer your question I moved from Serbia when I was 5 and when work/school permits I go during the summer for 2-3 months.

"Danilo I would be interested to know why you worship Djindjic and why he was such a saint in your view"


Where do you get this idea? I don't think I've ever made a comment about him.

I would be interested in knowing why you love making things up :)

There has been an ongoing campaign to paint Đinđić as some kind of visionary but most Serbs are not fooled. Practically everyone I talk to know him for what he is - a sell-out involved with the mafia, who ended up killing him.

It is the likes of Ceda Jovanovic and other anti-Serbs with their media, NGOs, foreigners and foreign governments who attempt to elevate one of their own but I'm glad to say that it has failed.

Finally, I am saying that as a Serb who has lived in Serbia for many years.

1. Zoran, I beg your pardon if I hurt Ari Gold calling him ignorant and arrogant. I don't know what went in me. Maybe his hate filled comment took me to a wrong track. Maybe I should just have digested his well reasoned and coherent knowledge of Djindjic as "a treasonous leader" and "hated by ordinary Serbs [if he was alive today]". But my not-hate-muddled experience and contact with Serbian citizenry (of varied ethnicity and varied "social classes"), as well as my not-hate-muddled experience and contact with the countries of Yugoslavia and Serbia during span of 30 years, strongly suggest that Ari Gold is a writer who is under the influence of other factors than observations and experience of his own. But I agree, calling him ignorant and arrogant wasn't polite. That's why I just call him contaminated. So, let's say he's a victim. And don't we all feel sorry and compassion for victims?

2. John Bosnitch, the journalist. Heaven help us... If you have time and want to wonder the peculiarities of our world (and smile) go and read another Guardian article written by Neil Clark whom Bosnitch recommends as some kind of expert contributor of information. The article is about Václav Havel, and titled "another side to the story". Read also the comments to the article, they are essential. I lived in CSSR during communist years, in that "system which put the economic needs of the majority first".

Bganon the great has returned. Why werent you out at the gay parade bganon? Do you even leave where you are hiding out now or are you afraid you will be arrested for your treason?

Djindjic was loved by albanians. That alone should show you what kind of a man he was. Sad he is not rotting in jail right now but eventually Serbia will wake up and end their love with traitors like him. Be afraid bganon be very afraid (btw are you ever going to let us know who you voted for or will you weasel out of it again?)

That we have pre-puberty person like Ari Gold - a perfect mix of ignorance and arrogance - writing about you with hate in his heart ten years after your murder is a good example showing in which hell hole Serbia had been taken to during late 1980's and during 1990's.
(Olli, 12 March 2013 13:11)
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Come on Olli, for as long as you have been posting here, it is not in your character to attack other posters personally like you have above. What exactly did Đinđić do for Serbia? I'm kind of stuck thinking of one.

I have read many Western commentators and journalists accusing him of leading a rival mafia so when he came into power, he just replaced the previous mafia. With such accusations, I would be very cautious about honouring such a character. In the Balkans at least, the US is known for supporting underworld characters, like in "Kosovahh"* and Montenegro, so why not Serbia?

But I maintain, his support from grass roots Serbs is negligible although support from non-Serbs is high as can be seen by yourself, bganon and Danilo.

I have never once commented Djindjic.

Anyone older than a teenager should be able to recognize that I was making fun of how confidently Ari speaks about Serbia given that he's also a teenager and probably has only been to Serbia a few times.

Thought that was pretty obvious.

Keep staring into the Rorschach, though. It's obvious that it gives you a thrill.

I wasn't insulting you because you don't live in Serbia, Ari. I'm laughing at how confidently you think you know what's best for Serbia when you're an Australian teenager who's been to Serbia a handful of times on vacation.

Danilo I am not making anything up, I merely saw your comment towards Ari Gold in which you clearly were not happy about his comment against Djindjic, thus suggesting you have sympathies with Djindjic. Though my comment is also taking into account many previous comments you have made in the past siding with those like Cedo Jovanovic, and others who are blinded by a love for the west, no matter what disgraceful acts they have done to the Serbian people.

Your criteria seems to be a case of 'if he mirrors my views then he's a Serb, if he doesn't he is a non Serb'. Classy!
(bganon, 12 March 2013 22:34)
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LOL! You are not going to admit that you are a Serb now are you? I know you won't as you are like Danilo, someone who has a Serbian name and parents but prefers to disassociate themselves from any kind of ethnicity.

So what happened? Did someone call you a war criminal one day and embarrassed your ego so you decided to become a Brit instead?

Here's link to Neil Clark's observations and notions of Vaclav Havel in Guardian.

It is VERY recommended reading with the comments, as it also reflects a way to see, think and write about Serbia whatever way one finds beneficial to own goals and intensions, without paying too much attention to actualities.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/19/vaclav-havel-another-side-to-story


Then something only for Danilo and bganon (others, STAY AWAY... O.K., Zoran may have a peek):

This much madness
is too much sorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QsSc95pPPY

Ari Gold. You want us here to believe that you are a teenager. And you might be, but the way you come across on your posts is more like a 60-80 year old nationalist, who was heavily infected with the nationalism in the 80s and 90s.

Zoran Dindigj
I, for once believe that he had a vision for his country that very few politician in the Balkans had and have. He must of been brave. He challenged Milosevic’s regime at the most difficult time and gave to the peace loving Serb people hope.
As a Kosovan I very much hoped at that time that Dindigj succeeds and a settlement between Serbia and Kosova could be reached amicably.
He has made me personally to have a bit more faith that someday lasting peace and reconciliation in the whole of the Balkan Peninsula will take place.
I have nothing but respect for him who clearly was a politician ahead of time with the rest of us in the region. His ideas still live and will prevail.

Obviously support for the ideals of Djindjic has increased recently judging by the number of people attending this commemoration today compared with previous years. That is clear. This is not so much due to Djindjic's policies but the emphasis Djindjic put on hard work, energy and looking to the future. This is something Serbian society still lacks today.
(bganon, 12 March 2013 22:34)
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Since your favourite party has descended into the dumps, this public relations exercise attempting to elevate a known underground figure, whose main achievements were to remove the main opposition party leaders against the constitutions, sell-off valuable state assets and cheat his way into government.

Watching and reading certain media on Monday in Belgrade (B92), it was obvious that this campaign was to get as many people on the streets as possible. It has nothing to do with support for his ideals as you would like to spin it. The DS is in the dumps and they will try anything to regain public support.

During the bombings Zoran Djindjic said that Serbia should be bombed even harder. He was a treasonous leader not unlike the leaders we have today. He wasn't a dictator so his assassination was not called for but he should not be honored in any way. The only reason he has any supporters today is because he was simply murdered before the deceit of the Otpor-ista's could come to light. Look at the DS today, it is unpopular and hated by most Serbs. Djindjic was no different, if he was alive today the DS would be no less hated by ordinary Serbs.

Always interesting to hear the teenaged experts from Australia.

Tell me, Ari, could you count on one hand how many months you've spent in Serbia or would it take 2?

Dindic was for Serbia to be part of Europe. That is the view of the current government and it is a correct view.

I don't know about Ari but what I can say Danilo is that I know many young Serbs from different places in Serbia, most of which are completely disillusioned with Serbian politics but at the same time view pro-western policies in a very negative light, Djindjic is hardly considered a hero. While having only negative views about Milosevic what I can say is that the arrival of Djindjic was no improvement, both were corrupt snakes but what seperates Djindjic is how he never condemned the NATO bombing. The bombings saw greater bittnerness towards the west from both pro and anti-Milosevic Serbs. Danilo I would be interested to know why you worship Djindjic and why he was such a saint in your view, though I suppose any Serb who is willing to get on his knees and lick the backside of the EU and NATO is favourable in your opinion. You need to accept however that the Serbian youth is moving away from Djindjic ideals, most of the anti-western sentiment in Serbia comes from the youth.

Danilo,

Your comment against Ari seems to be a diversion from the question of whether Djindjic, who extradited Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic to the Hague on the most important date in the Serbian calendar, the day of the 1389 Battle of Kosovo, deserves to be honored as a hero mainly because he was assassinated.

There are many Serbs who see Djindjic as a foreign-financed operator who led Serbia toward colonization and economic collapse by selling out to America, Germany and their transnational enterprises in the form of the IMF, World Bank, the EU and NATO.

But rather than heed the millions of Serbs who have had to live through the destruction and Western-financed takeover, why not let's just hear from an expert contributor to England's Guardian. Neil Clark, in his commentary "The quisling of Belgrade" wrote "The murdered Serbian prime minister was a reviled western stooge whose economic reforms brought misery...". I believe a re-reading of that article can balance the coverage of Djindjic here at B92, which served as the main Western-financed media vehicle to parachute him into power in line with the demands of the US State Department.

Here's the URL for Clark's full text, published 2 days after the assassination: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/14/serbia.comment

A hearing of both sides will give a much more complete picture of the person named Zoran Djindjic.

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch
Journalist
john.b@imcnews.com

Dear Zoran Djindjic,

I will never forget the drive and energy you put into your work for better Serbia. It only took few days after your brutal assasination when even many of your opponents in citizenry realized what was lost.

That we have pre-puberty person like Ari Gold - a perfect mix of ignorance and arrogance - writing about you with hate in his heart ten years after your murder is a good example showing in which hell hole Serbia had been taken to during late 1980's and during 1990's.

I had the honour to meet you only once, in the school of Kralja Petra where our kids went to school. But the memory of that moment lives as long as me. I met a courageous man walking up the mountain of problems, slope filled with hateful and violent opponents.

I don't think you can still rest in piece. Maybe some day.

Yours,

Olli

There has been an ongoing campaign to paint Đinđić as some kind of visionary but most Serbs are not fooled. Practically everyone I talk to know him for what he is - a sell-out involved with the mafia, who ended up killing him.

It is the likes of Ceda Jovanovic and other anti-Serbs with their media, NGOs, foreigners and foreign governments who attempt to elevate one of their own but I'm glad to say that it has failed.

Finally, I am saying that as a Serb who has lived in Serbia for many years.

(Danilo, 12 March 2013 10:56)

What is the hate for? Did I insult your treasonous and traitorous idol?? What does it matter if I live in the Diaspora anyway? The diaspora sends billions of dollars every year to Serbia. Israel survives on its diaspora, Armenia and Greece have large and influential diaspora's as well. Serbia needs to take advantage of its resources in the West, not insult because they happen to be living outside of Serbia.

You blame Serbian patriotism every time it rains outside. Does it even matter if you live in Serbia if your such a self-hating person? No I don't think so. And to answer your question I moved from Serbia when I was 5 and when work/school permits I go during the summer for 2-3 months.

"Danilo I would be interested to know why you worship Djindjic and why he was such a saint in your view"


Where do you get this idea? I don't think I've ever made a comment about him.

I would be interested in knowing why you love making things up :)

Good turnout today, although I wasn't there. I believe that some of the ideals of Djindjic still resonate today.

Above all this means to be energetic, to do something constructive and to try to change the future for the better.

There were a number of policies that Djindjic pushed through that I didn't agree with and I was vocal about that. However, that doesn't change the fact that he advocated positive principles.

Obsession with negative feelings was always a feature of his enemies and that remains true today. These days however his political opponents respect him and its only a minority that enjoy conjuring up hatred stored within.

Bganon the great has returned. Why werent you out at the gay parade bganon? Do you even leave where you are hiding out now or are you afraid you will be arrested for your treason?

Djindjic was loved by albanians. That alone should show you what kind of a man he was. Sad he is not rotting in jail right now but eventually Serbia will wake up and end their love with traitors like him. Be afraid bganon be very afraid (btw are you ever going to let us know who you voted for or will you weasel out of it again?)

Danilo I am not making anything up, I merely saw your comment towards Ari Gold in which you clearly were not happy about his comment against Djindjic, thus suggesting you have sympathies with Djindjic. Though my comment is also taking into account many previous comments you have made in the past siding with those like Cedo Jovanovic, and others who are blinded by a love for the west, no matter what disgraceful acts they have done to the Serbian people.

Your criteria seems to be a case of 'if he mirrors my views then he's a Serb, if he doesn't he is a non Serb'. Classy!
(bganon, 12 March 2013 22:34)
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LOL! You are not going to admit that you are a Serb now are you? I know you won't as you are like Danilo, someone who has a Serbian name and parents but prefers to disassociate themselves from any kind of ethnicity.

So what happened? Did someone call you a war criminal one day and embarrassed your ego so you decided to become a Brit instead?

Ari Gold. You want us here to believe that you are a teenager. And you might be, but the way you come across on your posts is more like a 60-80 year old nationalist, who was heavily infected with the nationalism in the 80s and 90s.

Zoran Dindigj
I, for once believe that he had a vision for his country that very few politician in the Balkans had and have. He must of been brave. He challenged Milosevic’s regime at the most difficult time and gave to the peace loving Serb people hope.
As a Kosovan I very much hoped at that time that Dindigj succeeds and a settlement between Serbia and Kosova could be reached amicably.
He has made me personally to have a bit more faith that someday lasting peace and reconciliation in the whole of the Balkan Peninsula will take place.
I have nothing but respect for him who clearly was a politician ahead of time with the rest of us in the region. His ideas still live and will prevail.

That we have pre-puberty person like Ari Gold - a perfect mix of ignorance and arrogance - writing about you with hate in his heart ten years after your murder is a good example showing in which hell hole Serbia had been taken to during late 1980's and during 1990's.
(Olli, 12 March 2013 13:11)
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Come on Olli, for as long as you have been posting here, it is not in your character to attack other posters personally like you have above. What exactly did Đinđić do for Serbia? I'm kind of stuck thinking of one.

I have read many Western commentators and journalists accusing him of leading a rival mafia so when he came into power, he just replaced the previous mafia. With such accusations, I would be very cautious about honouring such a character. In the Balkans at least, the US is known for supporting underworld characters, like in "Kosovahh"* and Montenegro, so why not Serbia?

But I maintain, his support from grass roots Serbs is negligible although support from non-Serbs is high as can be seen by yourself, bganon and Danilo.

Obviously support for the ideals of Djindjic has increased recently judging by the number of people attending this commemoration today compared with previous years. That is clear. This is not so much due to Djindjic's policies but the emphasis Djindjic put on hard work, energy and looking to the future. This is something Serbian society still lacks today.
(bganon, 12 March 2013 22:34)
--
Since your favourite party has descended into the dumps, this public relations exercise attempting to elevate a known underground figure, whose main achievements were to remove the main opposition party leaders against the constitutions, sell-off valuable state assets and cheat his way into government.

Watching and reading certain media on Monday in Belgrade (B92), it was obvious that this campaign was to get as many people on the streets as possible. It has nothing to do with support for his ideals as you would like to spin it. The DS is in the dumps and they will try anything to regain public support.

I have never once commented Djindjic.

Anyone older than a teenager should be able to recognize that I was making fun of how confidently Ari speaks about Serbia given that he's also a teenager and probably has only been to Serbia a few times.

Thought that was pretty obvious.

Keep staring into the Rorschach, though. It's obvious that it gives you a thrill.

I wasn't insulting you because you don't live in Serbia, Ari. I'm laughing at how confidently you think you know what's best for Serbia when you're an Australian teenager who's been to Serbia a handful of times on vacation.

Obviously support for the ideals of Djindjic has increased recently judging by the number of people attending this commemoration today compared with previous years. That is clear. This is not so much due to Djindjic's policies but the emphasis Djindjic put on hard work, energy and looking to the future. This is something Serbian society still lacks today.

Tut tut Zoran lecturing Olli about personal attacks when you do that on a regular basis. And its most amusing listening to an Australian telling the rest of us what 'non Serbs' are.

Your criteria seems to be a case of 'if he mirrors my views then he's a Serb, if he doesn't he is a non Serb'. Classy!

Here's link to Neil Clark's observations and notions of Vaclav Havel in Guardian.

It is VERY recommended reading with the comments, as it also reflects a way to see, think and write about Serbia whatever way one finds beneficial to own goals and intensions, without paying too much attention to actualities.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/19/vaclav-havel-another-side-to-story


Then something only for Danilo and bganon (others, STAY AWAY... O.K., Zoran may have a peek):

This much madness
is too much sorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QsSc95pPPY

1. Zoran, I beg your pardon if I hurt Ari Gold calling him ignorant and arrogant. I don't know what went in me. Maybe his hate filled comment took me to a wrong track. Maybe I should just have digested his well reasoned and coherent knowledge of Djindjic as "a treasonous leader" and "hated by ordinary Serbs [if he was alive today]". But my not-hate-muddled experience and contact with Serbian citizenry (of varied ethnicity and varied "social classes"), as well as my not-hate-muddled experience and contact with the countries of Yugoslavia and Serbia during span of 30 years, strongly suggest that Ari Gold is a writer who is under the influence of other factors than observations and experience of his own. But I agree, calling him ignorant and arrogant wasn't polite. That's why I just call him contaminated. So, let's say he's a victim. And don't we all feel sorry and compassion for victims?

2. John Bosnitch, the journalist. Heaven help us... If you have time and want to wonder the peculiarities of our world (and smile) go and read another Guardian article written by Neil Clark whom Bosnitch recommends as some kind of expert contributor of information. The article is about Václav Havel, and titled "another side to the story". Read also the comments to the article, they are essential. I lived in CSSR during communist years, in that "system which put the economic needs of the majority first".