Albanians from south to submit "nine demands"

-Collective rights and freedoms: You already have the same rights as Serbs, go to Albania, if you want more rights.
-Language usage: You are in Serbia, the language is Serbian, if you want to speak Albanian, go to Albania, you will understand everyone there and will be able to speak with everyone.
-National symbols: Use your symbols at home, in the public, Serbian symbols should be found as you are in Serbia and not in Albania.
-The return of refugees: If from Kosovo, no way. Let Serbs go home to Kosovo first and give them back their land and homes, and then we can talk about Albanian refugees returning!
-Integration of Albanians in public institutions: Why, you have the entire public structure/institutions in the Southern part of Serbia, called Kosovo. Sound like that is more than enough.

Peace out.

Welcome to talk Albanians, better than to fight. Lets see what those nine demands include so we can see what extra we can get for the Serbs in the South of KiM (Strpce, etc...).

What would you say, if Kosovo Albaniens would come with the same comments concerning Serbs living in Kosovo? People like you don't want peace, are wrapped up in yesterday's thinking and actually pose a threat to Serbia's well being. Shame on you!!!!
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 12:07)

Kosovo belongs to Serbia. We didn’t steal it like the Germans stole valuable art from people then shot them nor did the Serbs pillage museums in the 1940s and steal their contents.
Haven’t your kind done enough in that region or the world for that matter? Being responsible for 50 million deaths in WW2 would think that a German would never open his mouth ever again for about 1000 generations.

I also have 9 demands for the albanians of the South.

1. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
2. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
3. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
4. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
5.Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
6. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
7. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
8. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
9. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.

Thank you for reading

-Collective rights and freedoms: You already have the same rights as Serbs, go to Albania, if you want more rights.
-Language usage: You are in Serbia, the language is Serbian, if you want to speak Albanian, go to Albania, you will understand everyone there and will be able to speak with everyone.
-National symbols: Use your symbols at home, in the public, Serbian symbols should be found as you are in Serbia and not in Albania.
-The return of refugees: If from Kosovo, no way. Let Serbs go home to Kosovo first and give them back their land and homes, and then we can talk about Albanian refugees returning!
-Integration of Albanians in public institutions: Why, you have the entire public structure/institutions in the Southern part of Serbia, called Kosovo. Sound like that is more than enough.

Peace out.
(VID, 25 February 2013 10:11)

VID that was so well said I had to re post it.

As for the German hater commenting on your post, he only knows what his forefathers taught him.

Btw it's completely different. Serbs in Kosovo are Serbs in Serbia. Albanians in southern Serbia (presevo et al) are Albanians in SERBIA.

When are they going to get this?

Werner,What if the Jewish community was given a part of Germany to create a Jewish homeland for all the pain and suffering at the hands of Germans during WWII, instead of giving away someone else's land who hand nothing to do with there agony. This is where today's problems in the middle east stem from.

(VID, 25 February 2013 10:11)

What would you say, if Kosovo Albaniens would come with the same comments concerning Serbs living in Kosovo? People like you don't want peace, are wrapped up in yesterday's thinking and actually pose a threat to Serbia's well being. Shame on you!!!!

my dear albanians

If you do not like to live in Serbia you can always relocate to albania where I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. You will not be missed here.

What would you say, if Kosovo Albaniens would come with the same comments concerning Serbs living in Kosovo? People like you don't want peace, are wrapped up in yesterday's thinking and actually pose a threat to Serbia's well being. Shame on you!!!!
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 12:07)

Those comments come from the Kosovo Albanian authorities all the time. Then the international community steps in, holds a copy of the Ahtisaari Plan in front of their faces reminding them what they signed up for in exchange for "independence" and tells them to stop being a bunch of intolerant authoritarians for a change. Albanians in Presevo have all the rights they are "demanding" but because they've spent so much time trying to be annexed to Kosovo before the same international community that needs to put Pristina in order told then to forget about dreams of border changes, they now approach Belgrade to ask for things any other cooperating minority in Vojvodina has enjoyed for decades :)

Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.

Thank you for reading
(Simot, 25 February 2013 14:05)

Exactly because of people like you (low level human who do not know the meaning of the word compromise) we had all these bloody wars in the Balkans.

VID and others: Serbian fascism at its best.

this your culture describes the best what a minority in Serbia gets when Serbs have the upper hand.

primitiveness at it's best.

It seems to me that issue of south Serbia aka Eastern Kosova is no longer an internal issue of Serbia, but foreign issue, since Serbian FM is getting involved. Looks like foreign policy issue.

Simot,
They are Serbian Citizens ,borned and raised in their lands, of Albanian ethnicity. Their rights derive by their creator (in birth )and the constitution of Serbia by citizenship. Unfortunately they don't depend on your whims or political/nationalist view of the world. Get over it.

VID and others. Serb facism of the absolut worst kind, and it shows you people didn't learn a thing. There is no other country anywhere in Europe where people talk and think like that. Stay where you are, learn to be decent human beings first, before you knock on Europe's doors. We do not want a mentality like that, and even you are (hopefully) a minority in your country, it just shows that Serbia has a long, a very, very long way to go before it mentally arrives where the rest of Europe is today.
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 15:57)

I don't know whether your ignorance for facts is caused by you wanting to mouth off on things you have no clue over for attention or whether you're just a slow person who struggled through Hochschule in your youth (if you haven't gotten there by now), but to call a state "fascist" when ethnic minorities like Albanians not only enjoy rights of language, education, assembly, local representation, AND the right to issue further demands without the risk of incarceration or simple public beating is a joke. For someone who comments with a German name, you should be well aware of what fascism is - both from your own past and from the open support your alleged state gives to everyone else in the Balkans who displays far more open displays of intolerance, racism and hatred for others than the Serbs. I doubt you're even German since no German can be that stupid by ignoring obvious facts.

Demands, oh really.. Get the hell out of Serbia and have your Albanian counter parts fulfill them in Albania.

I never met such uncivilized people that cause destruction where ever they go. O well, the world is getting a bit tired dealing with your crap, its time to change a bit albos. You guys have warranted your stay in Germany and England and are now becoming menaces in their country.

The way i see it, your lucky your not getting stones thrown through your houses/cars, your kids getting beat up and your belonging stolen on a daily basis. HMM SOUNDS like what you guys are doing to Serbs in Kosovo. Consider Serbs a bit more education and civilized.

Keep pushing it Albos, i never thought i see the day with the Yankees and the Germans would tell Albania to slow down on the nationalism.. The power is shifting, EU is going down hill and Russia is calling the shots and is on top..

CCCC

Kosovo belongs to Serbia. We didn’t steal it like the Germans stole valuable art from people then shot them nor did the Serbs pillage museums in the 1940s and steal their contents.
Haven’t your kind done enough in that region or the world for that matter? Being responsible for 50 million deaths in WW2 would think that a German would never open his mouth ever again for about 1000 generations.
(sj, 25 February 2013 13:10)

Lets just put that aside what you wrote but you know you stole Vojvodina you got it as a result of WWI so cheers.

VID and others. Serb facism of the absolut worst kind, and it shows you people didn't learn a thing. There is no other country anywhere in Europe where people talk and think like that. Stay where you are, learn to be decent human beings first, before you knock on Europe's doors. We do not want a mentality like that, and even you are (hopefully) a minority in your country, it just shows that Serbia has a long, a very, very long way to go before it mentally arrives where the rest of Europe is today.

VID and others. Serb facism of the absolut worst kind, and it shows you people didn't learn a thing. There is no other country anywhere in Europe where people talk and think like that. Stay where you are, learn to be decent human beings first, before you knock on Europe's doors. We do not want a mentality like that, and even you are (hopefully) a minority in your country, it just shows that Serbia has a long, a very, very long way to go before it mentally arrives where the rest of Europe is today.
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 15:57)

I thought Id never hear a german talk about humanity. Adolf Hitler, Goebbels, Josef Mengele, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolf Hess are all perfect examples of the german version of humanity. With all the blood your people have on your hands you should shut up and be quiet for the next million years. You killed more than 50 million people and yet you come to lecture someone about humanity, be ashamed of yourself and your people.

Demands from albans no way it can't be??? That's all albans know how to do for example: make demands, threaten, terrorize, destruction, theft of land and claiming it belongs to them etc.. Anotherwords anything that is not normal and productive.

"Looks like foreign policy issue."

Kosova USA


Well of course it is! I guess right after the talks regarding north Kosovo. Ashton will talk about Presevo with Dacic and Thaci. Damn, you are delusional. Didn't you also say Serbia and Russia recognized Kosovo? When you can present FACTS then we know its true. You have such a twisted look at reality its actually quite scary.

The albanians can demand what they want but they have already frightened off any investors in the region with their behavior. They refuse to take responsibility for this and instead demand subsidies. Do they know Tito is dead? No more free lunches.

WD40, germans and austrians enjoyed the balkan wars by coming over for sniping weekends and when injured, refused to go to local hospitals, driven back wouned and bleeding to 'civilization' for treatment. It will be a long, long time before the Serbs ever come close to the savagery practiced by your lot.

"We can do the same thing to serbs here in Kosova."
KOSOVA

Just the fact that you compare Presevo and what goes on in Kosovo shown how blind you are to reality. Presevo and Kosovo are lightyears appart. I have yet to read about albanians in Presevo being targeted, their graveyards being destroyed, schoolchildren geting stoned and your mosques being protected from hostile mobs. Well, this is how you albanians in Kosovo are treating serbs there. Lets not even talk about how serbs are treated in Albania. You albanians don't have a culture of tolerans. So please stop believing you are Gods gift to fairness and equality.

Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)


Lol "alban" how come you never mention anythng about albo troll obsession about some fake link to them being illyrians?

Simot,

I ask you to clarify your 7th demand "Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there".

You think South Serbia Albanians are there on tourist visas, or maybe as gastarbeiters?

What about Serbs who do not behave decently? That of course isn't such a problem since only 30% of Serbs belong to this group. Or you disagree, you think it's a bigger group?

Roughly one out of three Serbs that I know "don't like it there". What kind of timetable for leaving do you suggest?

Simot

Slobo is dead, he is not coming back. Don't cry child.

We can do the same thing to serbs here in Kosova. However, everyone should be treated the same, we are all humans. Stop discriminating against others.

Slobo is dead, he is not coming back. Don't cry child.

We can do the same thing to serbs here in Kosova. However, everyone should be treated the same, we are all humans. Stop discriminating against others.
(KOSOVA, 25 February 2013 18:52)

Yeah I agree...serbs should start to desecrate albanian graves and demolish your sacred places just like you do.

oh werner, you're being funny again pretending that no where else in eurpoe is the world witnessing the underswell of support for extreme xenophobic right wing parties. France, Holland, Germany, Austria, all displaying levels of intollerance throgh political parties. Islamophobia is growing across the western nations, with UK, USA and Canada all showing their nationalism. USA has constant nationalistic rhetoric targeting Mexicans, and Latinos in general.
So, as you are well aware, nationalism is not an illness that Serbia alone has, but is infact an illness Serbia contracted from Western Nations.

Ratko,
So according to you Albanians , including me, are barbarians, thieves, criminals. They are the scum of the earth and deserve no rights. They can't change due to their genetic deficiencies, they are thick headed and unable to be civilized. So now what, how do we solve the problem? Obviously , this logic would lead to Cubrilovic and Milosevic methods. Serbia be aware.

Auslander raus Deutschland dein Deutschen is a Serbian chant?No real German would be commenting on this website against Serbs unless he is delusional and in need of mental help.

Look at Europe. Do they ,in France for example, say "ya but Nazi" as an answer to everything? How about Norway? Netherlands?

This tragi-comic (mostly tragic) obsession with Nazi Germany of some Serbs is really bizarre!
(Danilo, 26 February 2013 20:20)

Only Serbs eh? How about the Greeks?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/20/1361367967225/2c358ad4-76e7-4278-b76f-2234aafda347-460x307.jpeg
How about the Portuguese?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/14/article-2232706-16021EC2000005DC-172_634x427.jpg
How about the Spaniards?
http://www.trust.org/resize_image?path=/dotAsset/dbdfadf7-fa20-4649-ad30-8eaa06635cdb.jpg&w=649

It's too easy to point out just how ignorant you are Danilo, don't you get tired of getting smacked down all the time? Try to educate yourself before making false and ridiculous statements, you clearly haven't got a clue. People who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. The Germans got tired of losing wars, so now they are trying to take over Europe economicaly, so that simpletons like you won't even notice. Luckily, there are good and smart people out there who know what is going on - and you're not one of them.
Cheers!!

thought Id never hear a german talk about humanity. Adolf Hitler, Goebbels, Josef Mengele, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolf Hess.

Do not forget the Serb killing enterprise (described by an ICJ court recently).

Really a Serb telling a German this is more than funny. But the truth is Nazi Germany is long gone. What has emerged today is a Germany that the whole of this planet envies and use as an example of how a country should be. Germany today resembles a little mini Universe build almost close to perfection; where about 160 000 Serbs call their home and most likely millions of from FRY Yugoslavia (Slovenia all the way to Kosova). There are many millions of others throughout FRY territory that given the opportunity will go and live in Germany. You can’t t blame these people.

Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)

In person I would whisper you the answer in your ear. From here I can only give suggestions.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X70VMrH3yBg

"Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)"

I will not waste too much time on you because you are a completely ignorant person. There are few Serbian families who have not been affected by the actions of Nazi Germany and their Danube Schwaben, Croat, Bosniak, and Albanian allies during WWII. I doubt that Germany has ever formally apologized and paid for compensation for the materialistic damage and emotional suffering that can last a few generations. Beside that, almost 70 years after the end of WWII Germany still displays a despicable attitude towards Serbia and its people, behaving like they are better and that Serbs are some kind of lower class of people. On top of that Germany is still supporting its former WWII allies in their eternal obsessive quest to destroy all that is Serbian. So the questions are: why is Germany still so obsessed with Serbia and when will they finally give up. I agree that Germany has gone a long way, but some features from its dark past are still there. And remember during the past 100 years Germany has attacked Serbia three times while Serbia has never attacked Germany. But I would expect somebody as biased as you not to consider those facts when you spew your hatred here (talk about another obsession, which many non-Serbs seem to suffer from).

Lets just put that aside what you wrote but you know you stole Vojvodina you got it as a result of WWI so cheers.
(Alo Alo, 25 February 2013 15:56)

Yes they stole it from the Illyrians.

Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)

Google Jasenovac and maybe you will understand.

"Swabian",

So I am making this just up, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_SS_Volunteer_Mountain_Division_Prinz_Eugen

Maybe in a post-WWII non-Communist Yugoslavia/Serbia there would have been a chance for Danube Schwabians who had not collaborated with the Nazis to continue life. The ones who joined the Nazis got what they deserved and have not been missed ever since and it was tragic that innocent people got killed or driven away but blame Croation Tito and his communists for that, not the average Serbs.

9 demands uh..

I got a better one:
You have proven that you cannot live alongside other nationalities, so the solution: are not the demands, just leave Serbia!

Serbia does not need a second kosovo in Presevo...

Ratko,
So according to you Albanians , including me, are barbarians, thieves, criminals. They are the scum of the earth and deserve no rights. They can't change due to their genetic deficiencies, they are thick headed and unable to be civilized. So now what, how do we solve the problem? Obviously , this logic would lead to Cubrilovic and Milosevic methods. Serbia be aware.
(Brandon, 26 February 2013 01:12)

Brandon, When an Albanian or whoever says you Serbs, or Serbs or whoever say you Albanians--it is automatically assumed that ALL are not included unless stated so. "Grow up"!

Yes - let's still keep blaming the swabians - people here do not know that history - those people had a choice between Stalin and Tito. Too bad any of them stayed in Vojvodina - they should have all left and none of them would have been starved to death, put in Tito camps, shipped to work camps in Russia, had their serb neighbors steal their homes, belongings, watch them starve or live under Communisim. You serbs have to constantly say they were Nazi's. You were the stupid people who chose Tito and look what it got you? 30 hecters of land, 1 tractor and everyone thought life was great. Really? Even the serb POW's in Germany did not want to go back to Serbia. Now you continue to hate of Germans - and you would be lost without them.

The Swabians and Hungarians built Vojvodina. Look at it today - run down, poor, and the Serbs are saying - come and see beautiful Vojvodina. No - it is not beautiful today - Tito wrecked it - and what a shame. You serbs should stay out of the Swabian conversation because you are the ones who wrecked it. Germans and Hungarians were the workers - not the serbians.

"What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?"
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)

I think it is the Serbian version of Reductio ad Hitlerum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_hitlerum

It works like this: in any discussion, throw in Hitler and kill that discussion. It is a powerful tool for the fool.

Not to forget however, on the other side, there is also Reductio ad Milosevicum.

In the end, most people don't want to talk, they want to win.

To those who answered me:

The whole of europe was f*cked up by Nazi Germany. No one is denying the crap they made, least of all me.

Look at Europe. Do they ,in France for example, say "ya but Nazi" as an answer to everything? How about Norway? Netherlands?

This tragi-comic (mostly tragic) obsession with Nazi Germany of some Serbs is really bizarre!

Do not forget the Serb killing enterprise (described by an ICJ court recently).

Really a Serb telling a German this is more than funny. But the truth is Nazi Germany is long gone.

Its not gone at all, they only use different tactics nowadays. Why shouldnt a serb tell a german about this, are serbs responsible for killing more than 50 million people during ww2?Doesnt matter how Germany looks today they still havent paid for all the atrocities they committed through the world wars. With just a little bit of justice in the world Germany wouldnt even exist today considering what they have done.

Milan- you are ignorant - you probably have a picture of Tito in your communist era apartment - which you could only get if you were a communist.

The good guy,
You are missing the point. Take a look at this message board. Racial bias is rampant. To the point that they consider Albanians guest in their own house. Now ,many here complaint that Albanians built an illegitimate monument, although no one pointed to which law did they brake. At this time they are trying legally to assert their rights in accordance with Serbia constitution and International Conventions Serbia has signed and adheres to, and again Serbian commentators are all over them. If any one needs to grow up, that ain't me.

"Schwabian",

My whole family and I have 0% German blood (thank God) and we could not stand Croation Tito and his communist followers so both your "clever" assessments are wrong. Of course you think that you are a smart person who thinks he knows people by what they write. Anyway, it is a waste of my time to reply to your next comment which most likely will appear. I stand 100% by what I wrote so do not waste your time trying to convince me of your opinion. By the way you replied it seems I hit a sensitive nerve in you. Enjoy the hate in you and you are a complete nobody to me.

Milan - are you mad because your part danube swabian?????? Germany built itself up from 60 years ago - they have moved on. Let's see - has Serbia built itself up from 60 years ago? No - and they cannot move on. You are the perfect example of stupidity.

Milan - you are the one who initially commented about your hate of the Germans.

That's great that you found some other idiots making an "ya but Nazi" argument, Dragane.

Not sure what you're trying to say, though.

Where Czechs not trampled by Nazis? Were French not? Were Poles not? Slovaks?

Do you see them saying, "ya, but Nazi" at every turn?

EU is really "Nazis and their 'former allys' trampling poor ol' Serbia"

Really.... what planet do you live on?

-Collective rights and freedoms: You already have the same rights as Serbs, go to Albania, if you want more rights.
-Language usage: You are in Serbia, the language is Serbian, if you want to speak Albanian, go to Albania, you will understand everyone there and will be able to speak with everyone.
-National symbols: Use your symbols at home, in the public, Serbian symbols should be found as you are in Serbia and not in Albania.
-The return of refugees: If from Kosovo, no way. Let Serbs go home to Kosovo first and give them back their land and homes, and then we can talk about Albanian refugees returning!
-Integration of Albanians in public institutions: Why, you have the entire public structure/institutions in the Southern part of Serbia, called Kosovo. Sound like that is more than enough.

Peace out.

(VID, 25 February 2013 10:11)

What would you say, if Kosovo Albaniens would come with the same comments concerning Serbs living in Kosovo? People like you don't want peace, are wrapped up in yesterday's thinking and actually pose a threat to Serbia's well being. Shame on you!!!!

It seems to me that issue of south Serbia aka Eastern Kosova is no longer an internal issue of Serbia, but foreign issue, since Serbian FM is getting involved. Looks like foreign policy issue.

-Collective rights and freedoms: You already have the same rights as Serbs, go to Albania, if you want more rights.
-Language usage: You are in Serbia, the language is Serbian, if you want to speak Albanian, go to Albania, you will understand everyone there and will be able to speak with everyone.
-National symbols: Use your symbols at home, in the public, Serbian symbols should be found as you are in Serbia and not in Albania.
-The return of refugees: If from Kosovo, no way. Let Serbs go home to Kosovo first and give them back their land and homes, and then we can talk about Albanian refugees returning!
-Integration of Albanians in public institutions: Why, you have the entire public structure/institutions in the Southern part of Serbia, called Kosovo. Sound like that is more than enough.

Peace out.
(VID, 25 February 2013 10:11)

VID that was so well said I had to re post it.

As for the German hater commenting on your post, he only knows what his forefathers taught him.

Btw it's completely different. Serbs in Kosovo are Serbs in Serbia. Albanians in southern Serbia (presevo et al) are Albanians in SERBIA.

When are they going to get this?

I also have 9 demands for the albanians of the South.

1. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
2. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
3. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
4. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
5.Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
6. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
7. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
8. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.
9. Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.

Thank you for reading

What would you say, if Kosovo Albaniens would come with the same comments concerning Serbs living in Kosovo? People like you don't want peace, are wrapped up in yesterday's thinking and actually pose a threat to Serbia's well being. Shame on you!!!!
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 12:07)

Kosovo belongs to Serbia. We didn’t steal it like the Germans stole valuable art from people then shot them nor did the Serbs pillage museums in the 1940s and steal their contents.
Haven’t your kind done enough in that region or the world for that matter? Being responsible for 50 million deaths in WW2 would think that a German would never open his mouth ever again for about 1000 generations.

Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there.

Thank you for reading
(Simot, 25 February 2013 14:05)

Exactly because of people like you (low level human who do not know the meaning of the word compromise) we had all these bloody wars in the Balkans.

VID and others. Serb facism of the absolut worst kind, and it shows you people didn't learn a thing. There is no other country anywhere in Europe where people talk and think like that. Stay where you are, learn to be decent human beings first, before you knock on Europe's doors. We do not want a mentality like that, and even you are (hopefully) a minority in your country, it just shows that Serbia has a long, a very, very long way to go before it mentally arrives where the rest of Europe is today.

VID and others: Serbian fascism at its best.

this your culture describes the best what a minority in Serbia gets when Serbs have the upper hand.

primitiveness at it's best.

Werner,What if the Jewish community was given a part of Germany to create a Jewish homeland for all the pain and suffering at the hands of Germans during WWII, instead of giving away someone else's land who hand nothing to do with there agony. This is where today's problems in the middle east stem from.

my dear albanians

If you do not like to live in Serbia you can always relocate to albania where I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. You will not be missed here.

Kosovo belongs to Serbia. We didn’t steal it like the Germans stole valuable art from people then shot them nor did the Serbs pillage museums in the 1940s and steal their contents.
Haven’t your kind done enough in that region or the world for that matter? Being responsible for 50 million deaths in WW2 would think that a German would never open his mouth ever again for about 1000 generations.
(sj, 25 February 2013 13:10)

Lets just put that aside what you wrote but you know you stole Vojvodina you got it as a result of WWI so cheers.

Demands, oh really.. Get the hell out of Serbia and have your Albanian counter parts fulfill them in Albania.

I never met such uncivilized people that cause destruction where ever they go. O well, the world is getting a bit tired dealing with your crap, its time to change a bit albos. You guys have warranted your stay in Germany and England and are now becoming menaces in their country.

The way i see it, your lucky your not getting stones thrown through your houses/cars, your kids getting beat up and your belonging stolen on a daily basis. HMM SOUNDS like what you guys are doing to Serbs in Kosovo. Consider Serbs a bit more education and civilized.

Keep pushing it Albos, i never thought i see the day with the Yankees and the Germans would tell Albania to slow down on the nationalism.. The power is shifting, EU is going down hill and Russia is calling the shots and is on top..

CCCC

Welcome to talk Albanians, better than to fight. Lets see what those nine demands include so we can see what extra we can get for the Serbs in the South of KiM (Strpce, etc...).

VID and others. Serb facism of the absolut worst kind, and it shows you people didn't learn a thing. There is no other country anywhere in Europe where people talk and think like that. Stay where you are, learn to be decent human beings first, before you knock on Europe's doors. We do not want a mentality like that, and even you are (hopefully) a minority in your country, it just shows that Serbia has a long, a very, very long way to go before it mentally arrives where the rest of Europe is today.
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 15:57)

I don't know whether your ignorance for facts is caused by you wanting to mouth off on things you have no clue over for attention or whether you're just a slow person who struggled through Hochschule in your youth (if you haven't gotten there by now), but to call a state "fascist" when ethnic minorities like Albanians not only enjoy rights of language, education, assembly, local representation, AND the right to issue further demands without the risk of incarceration or simple public beating is a joke. For someone who comments with a German name, you should be well aware of what fascism is - both from your own past and from the open support your alleged state gives to everyone else in the Balkans who displays far more open displays of intolerance, racism and hatred for others than the Serbs. I doubt you're even German since no German can be that stupid by ignoring obvious facts.

oh werner, you're being funny again pretending that no where else in eurpoe is the world witnessing the underswell of support for extreme xenophobic right wing parties. France, Holland, Germany, Austria, all displaying levels of intollerance throgh political parties. Islamophobia is growing across the western nations, with UK, USA and Canada all showing their nationalism. USA has constant nationalistic rhetoric targeting Mexicans, and Latinos in general.
So, as you are well aware, nationalism is not an illness that Serbia alone has, but is infact an illness Serbia contracted from Western Nations.

The albanians can demand what they want but they have already frightened off any investors in the region with their behavior. They refuse to take responsibility for this and instead demand subsidies. Do they know Tito is dead? No more free lunches.

WD40, germans and austrians enjoyed the balkan wars by coming over for sniping weekends and when injured, refused to go to local hospitals, driven back wouned and bleeding to 'civilization' for treatment. It will be a long, long time before the Serbs ever come close to the savagery practiced by your lot.

Simot

Slobo is dead, he is not coming back. Don't cry child.

We can do the same thing to serbs here in Kosova. However, everyone should be treated the same, we are all humans. Stop discriminating against others.

Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?

Ratko,
So according to you Albanians , including me, are barbarians, thieves, criminals. They are the scum of the earth and deserve no rights. They can't change due to their genetic deficiencies, they are thick headed and unable to be civilized. So now what, how do we solve the problem? Obviously , this logic would lead to Cubrilovic and Milosevic methods. Serbia be aware.

VID and others. Serb facism of the absolut worst kind, and it shows you people didn't learn a thing. There is no other country anywhere in Europe where people talk and think like that. Stay where you are, learn to be decent human beings first, before you knock on Europe's doors. We do not want a mentality like that, and even you are (hopefully) a minority in your country, it just shows that Serbia has a long, a very, very long way to go before it mentally arrives where the rest of Europe is today.
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 15:57)

I thought Id never hear a german talk about humanity. Adolf Hitler, Goebbels, Josef Mengele, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolf Hess are all perfect examples of the german version of humanity. With all the blood your people have on your hands you should shut up and be quiet for the next million years. You killed more than 50 million people and yet you come to lecture someone about humanity, be ashamed of yourself and your people.

What would you say, if Kosovo Albaniens would come with the same comments concerning Serbs living in Kosovo? People like you don't want peace, are wrapped up in yesterday's thinking and actually pose a threat to Serbia's well being. Shame on you!!!!
(Werner Deuster, 25 February 2013 12:07)

Those comments come from the Kosovo Albanian authorities all the time. Then the international community steps in, holds a copy of the Ahtisaari Plan in front of their faces reminding them what they signed up for in exchange for "independence" and tells them to stop being a bunch of intolerant authoritarians for a change. Albanians in Presevo have all the rights they are "demanding" but because they've spent so much time trying to be annexed to Kosovo before the same international community that needs to put Pristina in order told then to forget about dreams of border changes, they now approach Belgrade to ask for things any other cooperating minority in Vojvodina has enjoyed for decades :)

Simot,
They are Serbian Citizens ,borned and raised in their lands, of Albanian ethnicity. Their rights derive by their creator (in birth )and the constitution of Serbia by citizenship. Unfortunately they don't depend on your whims or political/nationalist view of the world. Get over it.

thought Id never hear a german talk about humanity. Adolf Hitler, Goebbels, Josef Mengele, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolf Hess.

Do not forget the Serb killing enterprise (described by an ICJ court recently).

Really a Serb telling a German this is more than funny. But the truth is Nazi Germany is long gone. What has emerged today is a Germany that the whole of this planet envies and use as an example of how a country should be. Germany today resembles a little mini Universe build almost close to perfection; where about 160 000 Serbs call their home and most likely millions of from FRY Yugoslavia (Slovenia all the way to Kosova). There are many millions of others throughout FRY territory that given the opportunity will go and live in Germany. You can’t t blame these people.

To those who answered me:

The whole of europe was f*cked up by Nazi Germany. No one is denying the crap they made, least of all me.

Look at Europe. Do they ,in France for example, say "ya but Nazi" as an answer to everything? How about Norway? Netherlands?

This tragi-comic (mostly tragic) obsession with Nazi Germany of some Serbs is really bizarre!

Simot,

I ask you to clarify your 7th demand "Behave decently in the country you are a guest in, and leave if you don't like it there".

You think South Serbia Albanians are there on tourist visas, or maybe as gastarbeiters?

What about Serbs who do not behave decently? That of course isn't such a problem since only 30% of Serbs belong to this group. Or you disagree, you think it's a bigger group?

Roughly one out of three Serbs that I know "don't like it there". What kind of timetable for leaving do you suggest?

"We can do the same thing to serbs here in Kosova."
KOSOVA

Just the fact that you compare Presevo and what goes on in Kosovo shown how blind you are to reality. Presevo and Kosovo are lightyears appart. I have yet to read about albanians in Presevo being targeted, their graveyards being destroyed, schoolchildren geting stoned and your mosques being protected from hostile mobs. Well, this is how you albanians in Kosovo are treating serbs there. Lets not even talk about how serbs are treated in Albania. You albanians don't have a culture of tolerans. So please stop believing you are Gods gift to fairness and equality.

Demands from albans no way it can't be??? That's all albans know how to do for example: make demands, threaten, terrorize, destruction, theft of land and claiming it belongs to them etc.. Anotherwords anything that is not normal and productive.

Yes - let's still keep blaming the swabians - people here do not know that history - those people had a choice between Stalin and Tito. Too bad any of them stayed in Vojvodina - they should have all left and none of them would have been starved to death, put in Tito camps, shipped to work camps in Russia, had their serb neighbors steal their homes, belongings, watch them starve or live under Communisim. You serbs have to constantly say they were Nazi's. You were the stupid people who chose Tito and look what it got you? 30 hecters of land, 1 tractor and everyone thought life was great. Really? Even the serb POW's in Germany did not want to go back to Serbia. Now you continue to hate of Germans - and you would be lost without them.

The Swabians and Hungarians built Vojvodina. Look at it today - run down, poor, and the Serbs are saying - come and see beautiful Vojvodina. No - it is not beautiful today - Tito wrecked it - and what a shame. You serbs should stay out of the Swabian conversation because you are the ones who wrecked it. Germans and Hungarians were the workers - not the serbians.

Milan- you are ignorant - you probably have a picture of Tito in your communist era apartment - which you could only get if you were a communist.

Milan - are you mad because your part danube swabian?????? Germany built itself up from 60 years ago - they have moved on. Let's see - has Serbia built itself up from 60 years ago? No - and they cannot move on. You are the perfect example of stupidity.

"Looks like foreign policy issue."

Kosova USA


Well of course it is! I guess right after the talks regarding north Kosovo. Ashton will talk about Presevo with Dacic and Thaci. Damn, you are delusional. Didn't you also say Serbia and Russia recognized Kosovo? When you can present FACTS then we know its true. You have such a twisted look at reality its actually quite scary.

Slobo is dead, he is not coming back. Don't cry child.

We can do the same thing to serbs here in Kosova. However, everyone should be treated the same, we are all humans. Stop discriminating against others.
(KOSOVA, 25 February 2013 18:52)

Yeah I agree...serbs should start to desecrate albanian graves and demolish your sacred places just like you do.

Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)


Lol "alban" how come you never mention anythng about albo troll obsession about some fake link to them being illyrians?

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)

Google Jasenovac and maybe you will understand.

Ratko,
So according to you Albanians , including me, are barbarians, thieves, criminals. They are the scum of the earth and deserve no rights. They can't change due to their genetic deficiencies, they are thick headed and unable to be civilized. So now what, how do we solve the problem? Obviously , this logic would lead to Cubrilovic and Milosevic methods. Serbia be aware.
(Brandon, 26 February 2013 01:12)

Brandon, When an Albanian or whoever says you Serbs, or Serbs or whoever say you Albanians--it is automatically assumed that ALL are not included unless stated so. "Grow up"!

Auslander raus Deutschland dein Deutschen is a Serbian chant?No real German would be commenting on this website against Serbs unless he is delusional and in need of mental help.

Do not forget the Serb killing enterprise (described by an ICJ court recently).

Really a Serb telling a German this is more than funny. But the truth is Nazi Germany is long gone.

Its not gone at all, they only use different tactics nowadays. Why shouldnt a serb tell a german about this, are serbs responsible for killing more than 50 million people during ww2?Doesnt matter how Germany looks today they still havent paid for all the atrocities they committed through the world wars. With just a little bit of justice in the world Germany wouldnt even exist today considering what they have done.

Lets just put that aside what you wrote but you know you stole Vojvodina you got it as a result of WWI so cheers.
(Alo Alo, 25 February 2013 15:56)

Yes they stole it from the Illyrians.

Milan - you are the one who initially commented about your hate of the Germans.

Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)

In person I would whisper you the answer in your ear. From here I can only give suggestions.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X70VMrH3yBg

"Difference being, of course, Daniel, is that Germans have learned from their past mistakes.

What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)"

I will not waste too much time on you because you are a completely ignorant person. There are few Serbian families who have not been affected by the actions of Nazi Germany and their Danube Schwaben, Croat, Bosniak, and Albanian allies during WWII. I doubt that Germany has ever formally apologized and paid for compensation for the materialistic damage and emotional suffering that can last a few generations. Beside that, almost 70 years after the end of WWII Germany still displays a despicable attitude towards Serbia and its people, behaving like they are better and that Serbs are some kind of lower class of people. On top of that Germany is still supporting its former WWII allies in their eternal obsessive quest to destroy all that is Serbian. So the questions are: why is Germany still so obsessed with Serbia and when will they finally give up. I agree that Germany has gone a long way, but some features from its dark past are still there. And remember during the past 100 years Germany has attacked Serbia three times while Serbia has never attacked Germany. But I would expect somebody as biased as you not to consider those facts when you spew your hatred here (talk about another obsession, which many non-Serbs seem to suffer from).

"Swabian",

So I am making this just up, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_SS_Volunteer_Mountain_Division_Prinz_Eugen

Maybe in a post-WWII non-Communist Yugoslavia/Serbia there would have been a chance for Danube Schwabians who had not collaborated with the Nazis to continue life. The ones who joined the Nazis got what they deserved and have not been missed ever since and it was tragic that innocent people got killed or driven away but blame Croation Tito and his communists for that, not the average Serbs.

9 demands uh..

I got a better one:
You have proven that you cannot live alongside other nationalities, so the solution: are not the demands, just leave Serbia!

Serbia does not need a second kosovo in Presevo...

The good guy,
You are missing the point. Take a look at this message board. Racial bias is rampant. To the point that they consider Albanians guest in their own house. Now ,many here complaint that Albanians built an illegitimate monument, although no one pointed to which law did they brake. At this time they are trying legally to assert their rights in accordance with Serbia constitution and International Conventions Serbia has signed and adheres to, and again Serbian commentators are all over them. If any one needs to grow up, that ain't me.

"Schwabian",

My whole family and I have 0% German blood (thank God) and we could not stand Croation Tito and his communist followers so both your "clever" assessments are wrong. Of course you think that you are a smart person who thinks he knows people by what they write. Anyway, it is a waste of my time to reply to your next comment which most likely will appear. I stand 100% by what I wrote so do not waste your time trying to convince me of your opinion. By the way you replied it seems I hit a sensitive nerve in you. Enjoy the hate in you and you are a complete nobody to me.

"What is it with Serbs and their obsession with Nazi Germany?? Seriously. what is it?"
(Danilo, 25 February 2013 20:50)

I think it is the Serbian version of Reductio ad Hitlerum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_hitlerum

It works like this: in any discussion, throw in Hitler and kill that discussion. It is a powerful tool for the fool.

Not to forget however, on the other side, there is also Reductio ad Milosevicum.

In the end, most people don't want to talk, they want to win.

That's great that you found some other idiots making an "ya but Nazi" argument, Dragane.

Not sure what you're trying to say, though.

Where Czechs not trampled by Nazis? Were French not? Were Poles not? Slovaks?

Do you see them saying, "ya, but Nazi" at every turn?

EU is really "Nazis and their 'former allys' trampling poor ol' Serbia"

Really.... what planet do you live on?

Look at Europe. Do they ,in France for example, say "ya but Nazi" as an answer to everything? How about Norway? Netherlands?

This tragi-comic (mostly tragic) obsession with Nazi Germany of some Serbs is really bizarre!
(Danilo, 26 February 2013 20:20)

Only Serbs eh? How about the Greeks?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/20/1361367967225/2c358ad4-76e7-4278-b76f-2234aafda347-460x307.jpeg
How about the Portuguese?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/14/article-2232706-16021EC2000005DC-172_634x427.jpg
How about the Spaniards?
http://www.trust.org/resize_image?path=/dotAsset/dbdfadf7-fa20-4649-ad30-8eaa06635cdb.jpg&w=649

It's too easy to point out just how ignorant you are Danilo, don't you get tired of getting smacked down all the time? Try to educate yourself before making false and ridiculous statements, you clearly haven't got a clue. People who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. The Germans got tired of losing wars, so now they are trying to take over Europe economicaly, so that simpletons like you won't even notice. Luckily, there are good and smart people out there who know what is going on - and you're not one of them.
Cheers!!