A request to form a community of Serb municipalities is the only thing that was accepted in Brussels, Office for Kosovo Deputy Director Krstimir Pantić says.
Here we go again with the serb camp bubble. For the sake of simplicity you lot were screaming at the top of your lungs for the asterisk fiasco and yet Kosovo is represented in international foyer as such: symmetric to other countries. There is no point in me arguing any longer, I argue that these "liaison officers" are make-shift ambassadors
while you lot argue they aren't. Let's wait and see.
(KOSO, 22 February 2013 23:53)
Actually you and the Serb camp are both correct. As a matter of labeling, the Serb camp is correct and all Serbs care about is the labeling. As a matter of subtance, you are correct and all Kosovo cares about is the substance.
transform such a community into a club of supporters of Albanians..
(Sandra, 22 February 2013 11:40)
Sandra you should not worry about that. Majaority of Serbs in Kosova accept kosova's insitutions as they are their institutions as well. They have 3 ministers in the Thaci's Govt 20-30 MPs and so one. Work in Kosova's Police, Kosova's Security Forces etc.
The conflict between the Serbs and Albanians in Kosova arises from the fact that 7-8% of the kosova's population that is Serb was thinking that can rule over the 90% Albanian, impose the Serbian language and culture, Serbian laws etc. Well that is not acceptable in the civilized world at leats in the past 80 years. You are culturaly un-updated for 80 years. Thus you were bombed.
Balkan Anthropologist, 22 February 2013 22:48)
If you really thought I was congratulating you on your negotiating skills, it really explains the rest of your post.
If you read the article so far you have a supposed agreement on "community of Serbs" nothing in the field of what that means and what laws, rights, powers you can have. All that is in the A Plan and has been accepted that if the Serbs started to cooperate, it would happen.
Now you can wave your banner of what you did, what the international powers have forced the Albanians into, all you want but the simple truth is you came away from Brussels with no more than you had 2 weeks ago. The difference is your govt is selling you a basket of goodies claiming it is what THEY have done and you are buying it hook, line and sinker.
I'm not sure what Zeri's article proves? It was a good read nonetheless but not much substance, it's more of a he-said she-said.
Winston,
Here we go again with the serb camp bubble. For the sake of simplicity you lot were screaming at the top of your lungs for the asterisk fiasco and yet Kosovo is represented in international foyer as such: symmetric to other countries. There is no point in me arguing any longer, I argue that these "liaison officers" are make-shift ambassadors
while you lot argue they aren't. Let's wait and see.
Having Veto power for 9 town halls like RS in BH will be suicide for the region and I dont think Great Powers will like this.
(Mirel from Albania, 22 February 2013 20:15)
--
It all depends on who are the "Great Powers", because if they end up being China, India and Russia, it means that Albanians will be debating with Turks who were the indigenous people of this land. If you know what I mean....*wink* *wink*
The problem is it takes you and the rest of the Serbs time to catch up. About 5 years almost to the day. The Albanian side agreed to this when they based their independence on the Ahtissari Plan. But anyway congratulations to your shrewed negotiating skills. (grin with tongue in cheek, don't knwo how to do the symbols)
(great job, 22 February 2013 19:54)
We'd pretty much agree with you on that. We could have pushed for a bunch of RS's 5 years ago and gotten more than what Thaci is conceding to today. Hell, we could have agreed to full independence with recognition as late as 2007 in return for the presence of VS in those areas and the EU would have probably have given it to us. Trouble is that unless significant international pressure was applied to you Albanians, you wouldn't have even agreed to what you signed up for in the Ahtisaari Plan. And no, you did NOT agree to this when you signed up for AP. All this time there were talks of "no special status", "no autonomy" and some sort of "rule of law" that was going to be implemented even though it seems to be sorely lacking in the rest of Kosovo. Recognizing you have no authority and will have no authority in the north is a better-late-than-never recognition of your own shortcomings once reality makes nationalistic bravado more ridiculous than credible. The fact we got your side to finally give up on the north has less to do with our shrewd negotiating skills than the Quint getting tired of backing the wrong horse :)
Hey. Koso, since you are so well versed in English sayings, and what a duck is, how about, "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig". In other words, a liaison officer, is a liaison officer, no matter how you dress him. As far as I know, ambassadors sit in embassies, not office space in an EU rented building.
Serbs never will get RS status.They have only 9 town halls in Kosovo, while in BH they make up 35% of population.
RS has veto power,which in this case is blocking BH to recognise Kosovo and is making BH infuncional state.
Serbs in North will have full econimic authonomy and Prishtina has to agree with the people who are in security and other important office.They will have Kosovo's passaport.
Having Veto power for 9 town halls like RS in BH will be suicide for the region and I dont think Great Powers will like this.
Balkan Anthropologist, 22 February 2013 17:14)
The problem is it takes you and the rest of the Serbs time to catch up. About 5 years almost to the day. The Albanian side agreed to this when they based their independence on the Ahtissari Plan. But anyway congratulations to your shrewed negotiating skills. (grin with tongue in cheek, don't knwo how to do the symbols)
Hey cp since we are communicating in the English language: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
(KOSO, 22 February 2013 16:41)
I guess then that Zeri is calling finally calling a duck a duck despite previous efforts by Pristina at trying to argue it's really a hippopotamus :)
If that was the only thing that was accepted, then RS in Kosovo is on its way. If Thaci already was told to agree to this, then there already exists legitimacy for an autonomous community of Serb municipalities. Working out the internal laws and functions, which will no doubt run parallel to Pristina but be filtered by EULEX, is simply cosmetic. Education, healthcare, trade, and representation are already provided and not "debatable". The presence of VS is, and no one expected it not to. So not only did Thaci agree to relent on the north, he threw in at least five Serb municipalities in the rest of Kosovo. Nice to know that behind all the silly nationalistic bluster and rhetoric everyone in the Balkans is a little negotiating Slobo at the end :)
Dačić told Večernje novosti that Serbs would have some sort of authority in Kosovo that they would elect their own representatives and protect interests of Serbs.
That is right Mr. Dacic.
Municipal elections aka local elections have that purpose, to chose the Mayor and other municipal officials. Majority of votes will decide who the Mayor and other officials will run the said Municipality. No one is disputing that, but all Municipalities will govern according to Kosova Laws and Serbia.
I suggest that Dacic really is honest and tell Serbs the truth and nothing but the truth.
Hey cp since we are communicating in the English language: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
The so-called "community" in Kosovo would also include all these Serbs who are practical acting together with Prishtina...it is only a question of time to transform such a community into a club of supporters of Albanians...it is only a news for naive people that Serbia is in the "talks" in Brussels alone opposite EU and Prishtina....how can give Belgrade a diplomat from Prishtina priviliges...if he is acting according the Serb laws for everybody he will not have any problems but Belgrade is not bright enough to see the consequences when the Prishtina-representative is inviting in Belgrade for a recption on the day of the victory over the Serbs, and all foreign ambassadors will come and also enough Serbs
“Priština and the EU advocated a position and insisted that the so-called parallel institutions be abolished during the entire two-day dialogue although they also mentioned the issue of so-called security structures,” he told daily Politika.
Where is the depth of institutional knowledge???
This reminds me of the "secret meetings " between slobo and franjo...when they agreed that eastern slavojnia and dubrovnic would be given to serbia ...then franjo told slobo too remove the troops from there and they would be granted on the "Final Agreement" ...Enough!!! Talk about basic human rights!
“Priština and the EU advocated a position and insisted that the so-called parallel institutions be abolished during the entire two-day dialogue although they also mentioned the issue of so-called security structures,” he told daily Politika.
Where is the depth of institutional knowledge???
This reminds me of the "secret meetings " between slobo and franjo...when they agreed that eastern slavojnia and dubrovnic would be given to serbia ...then franjo told slobo too remove the troops from there and they would be granted on the "Final Agreement" ...Enough!!! Talk about basic human rights!
Hey cp since we are communicating in the English language: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Dačić told Večernje novosti that Serbs would have some sort of authority in Kosovo that they would elect their own representatives and protect interests of Serbs.
That is right Mr. Dacic.
Municipal elections aka local elections have that purpose, to chose the Mayor and other municipal officials. Majority of votes will decide who the Mayor and other officials will run the said Municipality. No one is disputing that, but all Municipalities will govern according to Kosova Laws and Serbia.
I suggest that Dacic really is honest and tell Serbs the truth and nothing but the truth.
The so-called "community" in Kosovo would also include all these Serbs who are practical acting together with Prishtina...it is only a question of time to transform such a community into a club of supporters of Albanians...it is only a news for naive people that Serbia is in the "talks" in Brussels alone opposite EU and Prishtina....how can give Belgrade a diplomat from Prishtina priviliges...if he is acting according the Serb laws for everybody he will not have any problems but Belgrade is not bright enough to see the consequences when the Prishtina-representative is inviting in Belgrade for a recption on the day of the victory over the Serbs, and all foreign ambassadors will come and also enough Serbs
If that was the only thing that was accepted, then RS in Kosovo is on its way. If Thaci already was told to agree to this, then there already exists legitimacy for an autonomous community of Serb municipalities. Working out the internal laws and functions, which will no doubt run parallel to Pristina but be filtered by EULEX, is simply cosmetic. Education, healthcare, trade, and representation are already provided and not "debatable". The presence of VS is, and no one expected it not to. So not only did Thaci agree to relent on the north, he threw in at least five Serb municipalities in the rest of Kosovo. Nice to know that behind all the silly nationalistic bluster and rhetoric everyone in the Balkans is a little negotiating Slobo at the end :)
Serbs never will get RS status.They have only 9 town halls in Kosovo, while in BH they make up 35% of population.
RS has veto power,which in this case is blocking BH to recognise Kosovo and is making BH infuncional state.
Serbs in North will have full econimic authonomy and Prishtina has to agree with the people who are in security and other important office.They will have Kosovo's passaport.
Having Veto power for 9 town halls like RS in BH will be suicide for the region and I dont think Great Powers will like this.
Balkan Anthropologist, 22 February 2013 17:14)
The problem is it takes you and the rest of the Serbs time to catch up. About 5 years almost to the day. The Albanian side agreed to this when they based their independence on the Ahtissari Plan. But anyway congratulations to your shrewed negotiating skills. (grin with tongue in cheek, don't knwo how to do the symbols)
Hey. Koso, since you are so well versed in English sayings, and what a duck is, how about, "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig". In other words, a liaison officer, is a liaison officer, no matter how you dress him. As far as I know, ambassadors sit in embassies, not office space in an EU rented building.
Hey cp since we are communicating in the English language: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
(KOSO, 22 February 2013 16:41)
I guess then that Zeri is calling finally calling a duck a duck despite previous efforts by Pristina at trying to argue it's really a hippopotamus :)
Having Veto power for 9 town halls like RS in BH will be suicide for the region and I dont think Great Powers will like this.
(Mirel from Albania, 22 February 2013 20:15)
--
It all depends on who are the "Great Powers", because if they end up being China, India and Russia, it means that Albanians will be debating with Turks who were the indigenous people of this land. If you know what I mean....*wink* *wink*
The problem is it takes you and the rest of the Serbs time to catch up. About 5 years almost to the day. The Albanian side agreed to this when they based their independence on the Ahtissari Plan. But anyway congratulations to your shrewed negotiating skills. (grin with tongue in cheek, don't knwo how to do the symbols)
(great job, 22 February 2013 19:54)
We'd pretty much agree with you on that. We could have pushed for a bunch of RS's 5 years ago and gotten more than what Thaci is conceding to today. Hell, we could have agreed to full independence with recognition as late as 2007 in return for the presence of VS in those areas and the EU would have probably have given it to us. Trouble is that unless significant international pressure was applied to you Albanians, you wouldn't have even agreed to what you signed up for in the Ahtisaari Plan. And no, you did NOT agree to this when you signed up for AP. All this time there were talks of "no special status", "no autonomy" and some sort of "rule of law" that was going to be implemented even though it seems to be sorely lacking in the rest of Kosovo. Recognizing you have no authority and will have no authority in the north is a better-late-than-never recognition of your own shortcomings once reality makes nationalistic bravado more ridiculous than credible. The fact we got your side to finally give up on the north has less to do with our shrewd negotiating skills than the Quint getting tired of backing the wrong horse :)
transform such a community into a club of supporters of Albanians..
(Sandra, 22 February 2013 11:40)
Sandra you should not worry about that. Majaority of Serbs in Kosova accept kosova's insitutions as they are their institutions as well. They have 3 ministers in the Thaci's Govt 20-30 MPs and so one. Work in Kosova's Police, Kosova's Security Forces etc.
The conflict between the Serbs and Albanians in Kosova arises from the fact that 7-8% of the kosova's population that is Serb was thinking that can rule over the 90% Albanian, impose the Serbian language and culture, Serbian laws etc. Well that is not acceptable in the civilized world at leats in the past 80 years. You are culturaly un-updated for 80 years. Thus you were bombed.
I'm not sure what Zeri's article proves? It was a good read nonetheless but not much substance, it's more of a he-said she-said.
Winston,
Here we go again with the serb camp bubble. For the sake of simplicity you lot were screaming at the top of your lungs for the asterisk fiasco and yet Kosovo is represented in international foyer as such: symmetric to other countries. There is no point in me arguing any longer, I argue that these "liaison officers" are make-shift ambassadors
while you lot argue they aren't. Let's wait and see.
Balkan Anthropologist, 22 February 2013 22:48)
If you really thought I was congratulating you on your negotiating skills, it really explains the rest of your post.
If you read the article so far you have a supposed agreement on "community of Serbs" nothing in the field of what that means and what laws, rights, powers you can have. All that is in the A Plan and has been accepted that if the Serbs started to cooperate, it would happen.
Now you can wave your banner of what you did, what the international powers have forced the Albanians into, all you want but the simple truth is you came away from Brussels with no more than you had 2 weeks ago. The difference is your govt is selling you a basket of goodies claiming it is what THEY have done and you are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Here we go again with the serb camp bubble. For the sake of simplicity you lot were screaming at the top of your lungs for the asterisk fiasco and yet Kosovo is represented in international foyer as such: symmetric to other countries. There is no point in me arguing any longer, I argue that these "liaison officers" are make-shift ambassadors
while you lot argue they aren't. Let's wait and see.
(KOSO, 22 February 2013 23:53)
Actually you and the Serb camp are both correct. As a matter of labeling, the Serb camp is correct and all Serbs care about is the labeling. As a matter of subtance, you are correct and all Kosovo cares about is the substance.
“Priština and the EU advocated a position and insisted that the so-called parallel institutions be abolished during the entire two-day dialogue although they also mentioned the issue of so-called security structures,” he told daily Politika.
Where is the depth of institutional knowledge???
This reminds me of the "secret meetings " between slobo and franjo...when they agreed that eastern slavojnia and dubrovnic would be given to serbia ...then franjo told slobo too remove the troops from there and they would be granted on the "Final Agreement" ...Enough!!! Talk about basic human rights!
Hey cp since we are communicating in the English language: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
If that was the only thing that was accepted, then RS in Kosovo is on its way. If Thaci already was told to agree to this, then there already exists legitimacy for an autonomous community of Serb municipalities. Working out the internal laws and functions, which will no doubt run parallel to Pristina but be filtered by EULEX, is simply cosmetic. Education, healthcare, trade, and representation are already provided and not "debatable". The presence of VS is, and no one expected it not to. So not only did Thaci agree to relent on the north, he threw in at least five Serb municipalities in the rest of Kosovo. Nice to know that behind all the silly nationalistic bluster and rhetoric everyone in the Balkans is a little negotiating Slobo at the end :)
Dačić told Večernje novosti that Serbs would have some sort of authority in Kosovo that they would elect their own representatives and protect interests of Serbs.
That is right Mr. Dacic.
Municipal elections aka local elections have that purpose, to chose the Mayor and other municipal officials. Majority of votes will decide who the Mayor and other officials will run the said Municipality. No one is disputing that, but all Municipalities will govern according to Kosova Laws and Serbia.
I suggest that Dacic really is honest and tell Serbs the truth and nothing but the truth.
Hey. Koso, since you are so well versed in English sayings, and what a duck is, how about, "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig". In other words, a liaison officer, is a liaison officer, no matter how you dress him. As far as I know, ambassadors sit in embassies, not office space in an EU rented building.
Having Veto power for 9 town halls like RS in BH will be suicide for the region and I dont think Great Powers will like this.
(Mirel from Albania, 22 February 2013 20:15)
--
It all depends on who are the "Great Powers", because if they end up being China, India and Russia, it means that Albanians will be debating with Turks who were the indigenous people of this land. If you know what I mean....*wink* *wink*
The so-called "community" in Kosovo would also include all these Serbs who are practical acting together with Prishtina...it is only a question of time to transform such a community into a club of supporters of Albanians...it is only a news for naive people that Serbia is in the "talks" in Brussels alone opposite EU and Prishtina....how can give Belgrade a diplomat from Prishtina priviliges...if he is acting according the Serb laws for everybody he will not have any problems but Belgrade is not bright enough to see the consequences when the Prishtina-representative is inviting in Belgrade for a recption on the day of the victory over the Serbs, and all foreign ambassadors will come and also enough Serbs
Serbs never will get RS status.They have only 9 town halls in Kosovo, while in BH they make up 35% of population.
RS has veto power,which in this case is blocking BH to recognise Kosovo and is making BH infuncional state.
Serbs in North will have full econimic authonomy and Prishtina has to agree with the people who are in security and other important office.They will have Kosovo's passaport.
Having Veto power for 9 town halls like RS in BH will be suicide for the region and I dont think Great Powers will like this.
Hey cp since we are communicating in the English language: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
(KOSO, 22 February 2013 16:41)
I guess then that Zeri is calling finally calling a duck a duck despite previous efforts by Pristina at trying to argue it's really a hippopotamus :)
The problem is it takes you and the rest of the Serbs time to catch up. About 5 years almost to the day. The Albanian side agreed to this when they based their independence on the Ahtissari Plan. But anyway congratulations to your shrewed negotiating skills. (grin with tongue in cheek, don't knwo how to do the symbols)
(great job, 22 February 2013 19:54)
We'd pretty much agree with you on that. We could have pushed for a bunch of RS's 5 years ago and gotten more than what Thaci is conceding to today. Hell, we could have agreed to full independence with recognition as late as 2007 in return for the presence of VS in those areas and the EU would have probably have given it to us. Trouble is that unless significant international pressure was applied to you Albanians, you wouldn't have even agreed to what you signed up for in the Ahtisaari Plan. And no, you did NOT agree to this when you signed up for AP. All this time there were talks of "no special status", "no autonomy" and some sort of "rule of law" that was going to be implemented even though it seems to be sorely lacking in the rest of Kosovo. Recognizing you have no authority and will have no authority in the north is a better-late-than-never recognition of your own shortcomings once reality makes nationalistic bravado more ridiculous than credible. The fact we got your side to finally give up on the north has less to do with our shrewd negotiating skills than the Quint getting tired of backing the wrong horse :)
I'm not sure what Zeri's article proves? It was a good read nonetheless but not much substance, it's more of a he-said she-said.
Winston,
Here we go again with the serb camp bubble. For the sake of simplicity you lot were screaming at the top of your lungs for the asterisk fiasco and yet Kosovo is represented in international foyer as such: symmetric to other countries. There is no point in me arguing any longer, I argue that these "liaison officers" are make-shift ambassadors
while you lot argue they aren't. Let's wait and see.
Balkan Anthropologist, 22 February 2013 17:14)
The problem is it takes you and the rest of the Serbs time to catch up. About 5 years almost to the day. The Albanian side agreed to this when they based their independence on the Ahtissari Plan. But anyway congratulations to your shrewed negotiating skills. (grin with tongue in cheek, don't knwo how to do the symbols)
Balkan Anthropologist, 22 February 2013 22:48)
If you really thought I was congratulating you on your negotiating skills, it really explains the rest of your post.
If you read the article so far you have a supposed agreement on "community of Serbs" nothing in the field of what that means and what laws, rights, powers you can have. All that is in the A Plan and has been accepted that if the Serbs started to cooperate, it would happen.
Now you can wave your banner of what you did, what the international powers have forced the Albanians into, all you want but the simple truth is you came away from Brussels with no more than you had 2 weeks ago. The difference is your govt is selling you a basket of goodies claiming it is what THEY have done and you are buying it hook, line and sinker.
transform such a community into a club of supporters of Albanians..
(Sandra, 22 February 2013 11:40)
Sandra you should not worry about that. Majaority of Serbs in Kosova accept kosova's insitutions as they are their institutions as well. They have 3 ministers in the Thaci's Govt 20-30 MPs and so one. Work in Kosova's Police, Kosova's Security Forces etc.
The conflict between the Serbs and Albanians in Kosova arises from the fact that 7-8% of the kosova's population that is Serb was thinking that can rule over the 90% Albanian, impose the Serbian language and culture, Serbian laws etc. Well that is not acceptable in the civilized world at leats in the past 80 years. You are culturaly un-updated for 80 years. Thus you were bombed.
Here we go again with the serb camp bubble. For the sake of simplicity you lot were screaming at the top of your lungs for the asterisk fiasco and yet Kosovo is represented in international foyer as such: symmetric to other countries. There is no point in me arguing any longer, I argue that these "liaison officers" are make-shift ambassadors
while you lot argue they aren't. Let's wait and see.
(KOSO, 22 February 2013 23:53)
Actually you and the Serb camp are both correct. As a matter of labeling, the Serb camp is correct and all Serbs care about is the labeling. As a matter of subtance, you are correct and all Kosovo cares about is the substance.
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