“Germany expects Vučić to help solve Kosovo issue”
German FM Guido Westerwelle told Serbian First Deputy PM Aleksandar Vučić that Germany insisted on his greater involvement in the solving of the Kosovo issue.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 14:11)
It sounds excellent, it was my dream long ago, I want it to come true.
(aaayyy, 22 February 2013 19:54)
Well, the BRICS don't need to do expensive experiments with their money when it is already known what it means to become like the BRICS - just see one of the BRICS, India, where the average citizen lives in deep poverty even when compared to Serbia, and you get the idea without having to waste money for experiments.
I love the way that the German economy has been in recession since May 2012 and not a word in the freedom loving press; not a blessed word.
(sj, 22 February 2013 11:10)
Probably the Germans are loving it as well since they certainly live better than, say, Malaysians - except, of course, those who work for merchant banks in Malaysia :)
We have seen what the EU has done to our region and neighbours, so let Russia (and China) now show the region what they can do through their one and only loyal ally and partner, Serbia...
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 20:21)
Serbia is so naive to believe in loyalty in international relations - Russia must be laughing with you. There are only interests in international relations dear Zoran. As long as Serbia has something for Russia to grab for free or a nominal price (like that did with NIS) Russia will be a "loayal" ally of Serbia and after that Serbia will be nothing more than a lemon. But if it serves as a consolation, Serbia is not alone - Kosovo, Albania, etc. are all on the same boat.
1/ Russia like Serbia was rather different when we let them destroy Yugoslavia when we let them ruin Libya and in 2013 when we have Putin back.
2/ Russian people and the elite fell shame and responsibility for letting the two mentioned tragedies happen. Nobody else feels the same towards you.
(rote, 22 February 2013 18:45)
--
So through all of those political negotiations you did, and allowed what happened to happen, I can only assume Russia managed to get a nice prize. OK, fair enough, so now you should have capitalised on that prize and use that cap to help those allies you let down.
Perhaps a little difficult for Libya now but Serbia is ready and willing. We have seen what the EU has done to our region and neighbours, so let Russia (and China) now show the region what they can do through their one and only loyal ally and partner, Serbia...
If the job is done well, believe you me, the whole region will be yours. There is no better time than now.
"Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU."
(rote, 22 February 2013 10:12)
Sorry, the majority of exports of the Fiat 500L goes to EU countries, and the main export for the new 500L 7-seater will go to the US of A, not to your beloved Russia.
(Just for Information, 22 February 2013 13:55)
That is irrelevant. In fact you prove the point, the EU and whoever will buy whatever is best value for their dollar. Joining the EU does not give Serbia any economical benefit. It can still be a business oriented country and fuel growth by creating the conditions for investment.
The joining the EU for a better life theory is a myth. It has long been proven to be incorrect but some lunatics still stand their ground.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 14:11)
It sounds excellent, it was my dream long ago, I want it to come true.
1/ Russia like Serbia was rather different when we let them destroy Yugoslavia when we let them ruin Libya and in 2013 when we have Putin back.
2/ Russian people and the elite fell shame and responsibility for letting the two mentioned tragedies happen. Nobody else feels the same towards you.
So you don’t have to add salt to that injure. Today we are the only force able to stop the evil and only simple minded people believe that our economic , political and other potential is just to defend our own interests. In some way it belongs to whole of the mankind for otherwise the evil would spit at all rules and devastate this planet. Only the US-NATO politics force states to seek for nuclear and conventional armaments.
When I answer questions such as will Serbia have early elections this year I always vote DON’T KNOW coz it is true and nobody knows it here. But I guess that with the new Serbian elites we have much better understanding today. I too would like to stir up the cooperation.
But there must be things which brake the process. Serbia itself has no decision over preferences to eastern politics. Like the Ukraine you knock at the closed EU door while our doors are open wide. So who is to be blamed ? Another thing is the map where big Russia has borders with 12 more or less friendly states while small Serbia has 8 neighbors most of them as rivals. But as a world power we have to think wider than the bilateral relations.
Germany doesn't want a situation where the agreement on Kosovo can be pointed to in the future as the fault of one man, while his political opposition in Serbia will be able to picture itself as unfortunately bound by whatever he agreed to. (As they've already tried with Stefanovic - ignoring the fact that since Serbia has signed nothing, the new government could simply ignore the agreements already reached.) Making Dacic the sacrificial goat would help to keep the Serbs-as-victims-at-the-negotiating-table theme alive in Serbian politics for another generation. Vucic wants to stay away from the deal while he improves his popularity by jailing tycoons, leaving Dacic with the blame for whatever concessions Serbia is going to have to make in return for progress on accession. Allowing one faction of Serb politicians to run for office in the future essentially against the EU (saying "it wasn't us who lost Kosovo") would only be asking for on-going problems. It's better now to make sure that everybody is visibly involved in the process and shares responsibility in order to insure future stability.
Zoran I think Serbs were still beveling in the same neo-liberal fairy tales from post Milosevic during 2008 and rejected Kostunica when he chose Kosovo i Metohija over the EU. I think those times have changed now as the EU has clearly shown its true face (although many like Kostunica could have seen it way before), it is no longer the magnate it once was as Ian's country is looking to get the hell out (even Ian is really becoming a social reject within his own country due to his EU fanaticism), and its obvious that even if it wanted too- Serbia would not join the EU this decade.
Things are different now. Serbs are prepared to collectively say no to the EU but a legitimate movement need to emerge. Kostunica's DSS have by far the best and most realistic political program in Serbia but its leadership is soft and Kostunica is a dinosaur. They would be doing their party a favor by giving it up to some political outsiders and freshening its image.
I'm sure Vucic will find the right solution when it comes to negotiations about the EU and Kosovo. He told that he won't give up from Kosovo even if it is the only condition of entry into the EU.
KOSO hit it on the head. In order for the Serbian government to gain popular support for the EU track, the head of the party with the most votes needs to be fully involved. People on here can attack Germany all they want for asking Vucic for his help, but what should one expect? What's more interesting here is that Vucic needs to be told at all. The fact that he has largely left this process to Dacic is clearly a sign that he doesn't see any good outcomes -- at least in the short-term -- where the EU is concerned.
Rote, there is a lot of truth is what you wrote but you should really understand that Serbia is in a difficult position now. We are surrounded and infiltrated by the EU and NATO. Any government that rejects any path leading towards the EU will be ejected. Look at Kostunica, no party will form a government with him because that government will be sabotaged.
I'm afraid to say that Russia also played a big role in this, most particularly, when it allow sanctions against Serbia/Yugoslavia. That is what strangled us and I would put that down to desperation considering Russia's condition at that time until I saw Russia do it again to Libya. It is completely unacceptable. By doing that Russia is losing one ally after another.
So if Russia truly wants Serbia as a partner then it really has to elevate our priority on its agenda, educate its citizens about Serbia and make it a political priority.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
Win Serbia and I'm sure you will get the whole of the Balkans and Orthodox world. Romania is always the weakest link.
"Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU."
(rote, 22 February 2013 10:12)
Sorry, the majority of exports of the Fiat 500L goes to EU countries, and the main export for the new 500L 7-seater will go to the US of A, not to your beloved Russia.
The arrogance of german politicians has no bounds. They simply cannot keep their mouths shut. From the Telegraph: 'Schulz urges Italians not to vote for Berlusconi'
The European Parliament proving how democracy is only for them.
In other news, european data protection plans are being sabotaged by the EP with over 900 amendments, effectively gutting it and giving the US and business free range over citizen's protections in the EU:
The problem in Serbian media is the understanding and correct analysis, Westerwelle`s message was very clear: Germany will press the Vucic-party to accept without any doubts the capitulation-startegy of Dacic...this is all
What the Germans expect and what they get are two very different things. The Germans are flapping their gums and they can demand that Hitler comes back to life, but always remember that its cash that greases the squeaky wheels of life and they just haven’t got any left.
I love the way that the German economy has been in recession since May 2012 and not a word in the freedom loving press; not a blessed word.
Everything you said was spot on. From the West not giving a damn about the Albanians but in order to legalize and legitimize its crimes from the 90s they cannot turn back now, and to the fact that EU membership has 0 to do with economic prosperity. Spot on!
You do not want to depend on any government. You politically align yourself with countries that meet your interests. For Serbia that is Russia, China and I believe plenty can be done with Israel. Economically, you provide good economic conditions for profits such as an educated population (Serbia already has this), low tax rate and minimal bureaucracy.
When Serbian politicians say they are getting closer to the EU it has nothing at all to do with getting closer to a better living standard for regular Serbs just more access to money that the corrupt politicians will have at their disposal as well as redundant and worthless (to society) positions in Brussels at the European Parliament.
You politically align with those that meet your political interests. If you want jobs and economic prosperity, businessmen only see one thing and that's $. Provide them with an opportunity to make some because they don't give a damn about Brussels negotiations and gay parades.
The statements that were made by some of the German officials this week mark a new tactics to start being implemented towards. The news is that they demand a great prepayment for the virtual candidacy which may happen or not some shiny day this century. They want Serbia to start making sacrifices without any guarantees from the EU side. It’s a deal where Serbia is supposed to bargain but after the prepayment is made you have no cards to put counter conditions. Turkey has been behaving so good for all those 50 years that they are on this path. The third Turkish generation is growing up with no clear prospects of what their chances are. I don’t think the current Serbian leaders are so stupid to let themselves to be entrapped the same way.
And Kosovo is not the only sacrifice EU is to demand. Standing on the Albo side they don’t care this people but they care about their own crimes to be legalized as an aid to Haradinai and the Snake gangs. Sure Serbia can enter this union some day in a couple of decades but only without trunks and national dignity to say nothing of the independence that is very imaginary in EU. I guess Serbia has to seek some other way of survival. Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU.
The statements that were made by some of the German officials this week mark a new tactics to start being implemented towards. The news is that they demand a great prepayment for the virtual candidacy which may happen or not some shiny day this century. They want Serbia to start making sacrifices without any guarantees from the EU side. It’s a deal where Serbia is supposed to bargain but after the prepayment is made you have no cards to put counter conditions. Turkey has been behaving so good for all those 50 years that they are on this path. The third Turkish generation is growing up with no clear prospects of what their chances are. I don’t think the current Serbian leaders are so stupid to let themselves to be entrapped the same way.
And Kosovo is not the only sacrifice EU is to demand. Standing on the Albo side they don’t care this people but they care about their own crimes to be legalized as an aid to Haradinai and the Snake gangs. Sure Serbia can enter this union some day in a couple of decades but only without trunks and national dignity to say nothing of the independence that is very imaginary in EU. I guess Serbia has to seek some other way of survival. Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU.
Everything you said was spot on. From the West not giving a damn about the Albanians but in order to legalize and legitimize its crimes from the 90s they cannot turn back now, and to the fact that EU membership has 0 to do with economic prosperity. Spot on!
You do not want to depend on any government. You politically align yourself with countries that meet your interests. For Serbia that is Russia, China and I believe plenty can be done with Israel. Economically, you provide good economic conditions for profits such as an educated population (Serbia already has this), low tax rate and minimal bureaucracy.
When Serbian politicians say they are getting closer to the EU it has nothing at all to do with getting closer to a better living standard for regular Serbs just more access to money that the corrupt politicians will have at their disposal as well as redundant and worthless (to society) positions in Brussels at the European Parliament.
You politically align with those that meet your political interests. If you want jobs and economic prosperity, businessmen only see one thing and that's $. Provide them with an opportunity to make some because they don't give a damn about Brussels negotiations and gay parades.
What the Germans expect and what they get are two very different things. The Germans are flapping their gums and they can demand that Hitler comes back to life, but always remember that its cash that greases the squeaky wheels of life and they just haven’t got any left.
I love the way that the German economy has been in recession since May 2012 and not a word in the freedom loving press; not a blessed word.
The problem in Serbian media is the understanding and correct analysis, Westerwelle`s message was very clear: Germany will press the Vucic-party to accept without any doubts the capitulation-startegy of Dacic...this is all
The arrogance of german politicians has no bounds. They simply cannot keep their mouths shut. From the Telegraph: 'Schulz urges Italians not to vote for Berlusconi'
The European Parliament proving how democracy is only for them.
In other news, european data protection plans are being sabotaged by the EP with over 900 amendments, effectively gutting it and giving the US and business free range over citizen's protections in the EU:
Rote, there is a lot of truth is what you wrote but you should really understand that Serbia is in a difficult position now. We are surrounded and infiltrated by the EU and NATO. Any government that rejects any path leading towards the EU will be ejected. Look at Kostunica, no party will form a government with him because that government will be sabotaged.
I'm afraid to say that Russia also played a big role in this, most particularly, when it allow sanctions against Serbia/Yugoslavia. That is what strangled us and I would put that down to desperation considering Russia's condition at that time until I saw Russia do it again to Libya. It is completely unacceptable. By doing that Russia is losing one ally after another.
So if Russia truly wants Serbia as a partner then it really has to elevate our priority on its agenda, educate its citizens about Serbia and make it a political priority.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
Win Serbia and I'm sure you will get the whole of the Balkans and Orthodox world. Romania is always the weakest link.
"Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU."
(rote, 22 February 2013 10:12)
Sorry, the majority of exports of the Fiat 500L goes to EU countries, and the main export for the new 500L 7-seater will go to the US of A, not to your beloved Russia.
Zoran I think Serbs were still beveling in the same neo-liberal fairy tales from post Milosevic during 2008 and rejected Kostunica when he chose Kosovo i Metohija over the EU. I think those times have changed now as the EU has clearly shown its true face (although many like Kostunica could have seen it way before), it is no longer the magnate it once was as Ian's country is looking to get the hell out (even Ian is really becoming a social reject within his own country due to his EU fanaticism), and its obvious that even if it wanted too- Serbia would not join the EU this decade.
Things are different now. Serbs are prepared to collectively say no to the EU but a legitimate movement need to emerge. Kostunica's DSS have by far the best and most realistic political program in Serbia but its leadership is soft and Kostunica is a dinosaur. They would be doing their party a favor by giving it up to some political outsiders and freshening its image.
1/ Russia like Serbia was rather different when we let them destroy Yugoslavia when we let them ruin Libya and in 2013 when we have Putin back.
2/ Russian people and the elite fell shame and responsibility for letting the two mentioned tragedies happen. Nobody else feels the same towards you.
So you don’t have to add salt to that injure. Today we are the only force able to stop the evil and only simple minded people believe that our economic , political and other potential is just to defend our own interests. In some way it belongs to whole of the mankind for otherwise the evil would spit at all rules and devastate this planet. Only the US-NATO politics force states to seek for nuclear and conventional armaments.
When I answer questions such as will Serbia have early elections this year I always vote DON’T KNOW coz it is true and nobody knows it here. But I guess that with the new Serbian elites we have much better understanding today. I too would like to stir up the cooperation.
But there must be things which brake the process. Serbia itself has no decision over preferences to eastern politics. Like the Ukraine you knock at the closed EU door while our doors are open wide. So who is to be blamed ? Another thing is the map where big Russia has borders with 12 more or less friendly states while small Serbia has 8 neighbors most of them as rivals. But as a world power we have to think wider than the bilateral relations.
1/ Russia like Serbia was rather different when we let them destroy Yugoslavia when we let them ruin Libya and in 2013 when we have Putin back.
2/ Russian people and the elite fell shame and responsibility for letting the two mentioned tragedies happen. Nobody else feels the same towards you.
(rote, 22 February 2013 18:45)
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So through all of those political negotiations you did, and allowed what happened to happen, I can only assume Russia managed to get a nice prize. OK, fair enough, so now you should have capitalised on that prize and use that cap to help those allies you let down.
Perhaps a little difficult for Libya now but Serbia is ready and willing. We have seen what the EU has done to our region and neighbours, so let Russia (and China) now show the region what they can do through their one and only loyal ally and partner, Serbia...
If the job is done well, believe you me, the whole region will be yours. There is no better time than now.
"Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU."
(rote, 22 February 2013 10:12)
Sorry, the majority of exports of the Fiat 500L goes to EU countries, and the main export for the new 500L 7-seater will go to the US of A, not to your beloved Russia.
(Just for Information, 22 February 2013 13:55)
That is irrelevant. In fact you prove the point, the EU and whoever will buy whatever is best value for their dollar. Joining the EU does not give Serbia any economical benefit. It can still be a business oriented country and fuel growth by creating the conditions for investment.
The joining the EU for a better life theory is a myth. It has long been proven to be incorrect but some lunatics still stand their ground.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 14:11)
It sounds excellent, it was my dream long ago, I want it to come true.
KOSO hit it on the head. In order for the Serbian government to gain popular support for the EU track, the head of the party with the most votes needs to be fully involved. People on here can attack Germany all they want for asking Vucic for his help, but what should one expect? What's more interesting here is that Vucic needs to be told at all. The fact that he has largely left this process to Dacic is clearly a sign that he doesn't see any good outcomes -- at least in the short-term -- where the EU is concerned.
Germany doesn't want a situation where the agreement on Kosovo can be pointed to in the future as the fault of one man, while his political opposition in Serbia will be able to picture itself as unfortunately bound by whatever he agreed to. (As they've already tried with Stefanovic - ignoring the fact that since Serbia has signed nothing, the new government could simply ignore the agreements already reached.) Making Dacic the sacrificial goat would help to keep the Serbs-as-victims-at-the-negotiating-table theme alive in Serbian politics for another generation. Vucic wants to stay away from the deal while he improves his popularity by jailing tycoons, leaving Dacic with the blame for whatever concessions Serbia is going to have to make in return for progress on accession. Allowing one faction of Serb politicians to run for office in the future essentially against the EU (saying "it wasn't us who lost Kosovo") would only be asking for on-going problems. It's better now to make sure that everybody is visibly involved in the process and shares responsibility in order to insure future stability.
I'm sure Vucic will find the right solution when it comes to negotiations about the EU and Kosovo. He told that he won't give up from Kosovo even if it is the only condition of entry into the EU.
We have seen what the EU has done to our region and neighbours, so let Russia (and China) now show the region what they can do through their one and only loyal ally and partner, Serbia...
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 20:21)
Serbia is so naive to believe in loyalty in international relations - Russia must be laughing with you. There are only interests in international relations dear Zoran. As long as Serbia has something for Russia to grab for free or a nominal price (like that did with NIS) Russia will be a "loayal" ally of Serbia and after that Serbia will be nothing more than a lemon. But if it serves as a consolation, Serbia is not alone - Kosovo, Albania, etc. are all on the same boat.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 14:11)
It sounds excellent, it was my dream long ago, I want it to come true.
(aaayyy, 22 February 2013 19:54)
Well, the BRICS don't need to do expensive experiments with their money when it is already known what it means to become like the BRICS - just see one of the BRICS, India, where the average citizen lives in deep poverty even when compared to Serbia, and you get the idea without having to waste money for experiments.
I love the way that the German economy has been in recession since May 2012 and not a word in the freedom loving press; not a blessed word.
(sj, 22 February 2013 11:10)
Probably the Germans are loving it as well since they certainly live better than, say, Malaysians - except, of course, those who work for merchant banks in Malaysia :)
The statements that were made by some of the German officials this week mark a new tactics to start being implemented towards. The news is that they demand a great prepayment for the virtual candidacy which may happen or not some shiny day this century. They want Serbia to start making sacrifices without any guarantees from the EU side. It’s a deal where Serbia is supposed to bargain but after the prepayment is made you have no cards to put counter conditions. Turkey has been behaving so good for all those 50 years that they are on this path. The third Turkish generation is growing up with no clear prospects of what their chances are. I don’t think the current Serbian leaders are so stupid to let themselves to be entrapped the same way.
And Kosovo is not the only sacrifice EU is to demand. Standing on the Albo side they don’t care this people but they care about their own crimes to be legalized as an aid to Haradinai and the Snake gangs. Sure Serbia can enter this union some day in a couple of decades but only without trunks and national dignity to say nothing of the independence that is very imaginary in EU. I guess Serbia has to seek some other way of survival. Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU.
What the Germans expect and what they get are two very different things. The Germans are flapping their gums and they can demand that Hitler comes back to life, but always remember that its cash that greases the squeaky wheels of life and they just haven’t got any left.
I love the way that the German economy has been in recession since May 2012 and not a word in the freedom loving press; not a blessed word.
Everything you said was spot on. From the West not giving a damn about the Albanians but in order to legalize and legitimize its crimes from the 90s they cannot turn back now, and to the fact that EU membership has 0 to do with economic prosperity. Spot on!
You do not want to depend on any government. You politically align yourself with countries that meet your interests. For Serbia that is Russia, China and I believe plenty can be done with Israel. Economically, you provide good economic conditions for profits such as an educated population (Serbia already has this), low tax rate and minimal bureaucracy.
When Serbian politicians say they are getting closer to the EU it has nothing at all to do with getting closer to a better living standard for regular Serbs just more access to money that the corrupt politicians will have at their disposal as well as redundant and worthless (to society) positions in Brussels at the European Parliament.
You politically align with those that meet your political interests. If you want jobs and economic prosperity, businessmen only see one thing and that's $. Provide them with an opportunity to make some because they don't give a damn about Brussels negotiations and gay parades.
Rote, there is a lot of truth is what you wrote but you should really understand that Serbia is in a difficult position now. We are surrounded and infiltrated by the EU and NATO. Any government that rejects any path leading towards the EU will be ejected. Look at Kostunica, no party will form a government with him because that government will be sabotaged.
I'm afraid to say that Russia also played a big role in this, most particularly, when it allow sanctions against Serbia/Yugoslavia. That is what strangled us and I would put that down to desperation considering Russia's condition at that time until I saw Russia do it again to Libya. It is completely unacceptable. By doing that Russia is losing one ally after another.
So if Russia truly wants Serbia as a partner then it really has to elevate our priority on its agenda, educate its citizens about Serbia and make it a political priority.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
Win Serbia and I'm sure you will get the whole of the Balkans and Orthodox world. Romania is always the weakest link.
"Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU."
(rote, 22 February 2013 10:12)
Sorry, the majority of exports of the Fiat 500L goes to EU countries, and the main export for the new 500L 7-seater will go to the US of A, not to your beloved Russia.
(Just for Information, 22 February 2013 13:55)
That is irrelevant. In fact you prove the point, the EU and whoever will buy whatever is best value for their dollar. Joining the EU does not give Serbia any economical benefit. It can still be a business oriented country and fuel growth by creating the conditions for investment.
The joining the EU for a better life theory is a myth. It has long been proven to be incorrect but some lunatics still stand their ground.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 14:11)
It sounds excellent, it was my dream long ago, I want it to come true.
The arrogance of german politicians has no bounds. They simply cannot keep their mouths shut. From the Telegraph: 'Schulz urges Italians not to vote for Berlusconi'
The European Parliament proving how democracy is only for them.
In other news, european data protection plans are being sabotaged by the EP with over 900 amendments, effectively gutting it and giving the US and business free range over citizen's protections in the EU:
"Say FIAT made investments not because of Kosovo or any other political reason but because of the profits they expect. I like the big FIAT 500 and I guess it may have better prospects in Russia than in the stagnating EU."
(rote, 22 February 2013 10:12)
Sorry, the majority of exports of the Fiat 500L goes to EU countries, and the main export for the new 500L 7-seater will go to the US of A, not to your beloved Russia.
I'm sure Vucic will find the right solution when it comes to negotiations about the EU and Kosovo. He told that he won't give up from Kosovo even if it is the only condition of entry into the EU.
Zoran I think Serbs were still beveling in the same neo-liberal fairy tales from post Milosevic during 2008 and rejected Kostunica when he chose Kosovo i Metohija over the EU. I think those times have changed now as the EU has clearly shown its true face (although many like Kostunica could have seen it way before), it is no longer the magnate it once was as Ian's country is looking to get the hell out (even Ian is really becoming a social reject within his own country due to his EU fanaticism), and its obvious that even if it wanted too- Serbia would not join the EU this decade.
Things are different now. Serbs are prepared to collectively say no to the EU but a legitimate movement need to emerge. Kostunica's DSS have by far the best and most realistic political program in Serbia but its leadership is soft and Kostunica is a dinosaur. They would be doing their party a favor by giving it up to some political outsiders and freshening its image.
The problem in Serbian media is the understanding and correct analysis, Westerwelle`s message was very clear: Germany will press the Vucic-party to accept without any doubts the capitulation-startegy of Dacic...this is all
KOSO hit it on the head. In order for the Serbian government to gain popular support for the EU track, the head of the party with the most votes needs to be fully involved. People on here can attack Germany all they want for asking Vucic for his help, but what should one expect? What's more interesting here is that Vucic needs to be told at all. The fact that he has largely left this process to Dacic is clearly a sign that he doesn't see any good outcomes -- at least in the short-term -- where the EU is concerned.
Germany doesn't want a situation where the agreement on Kosovo can be pointed to in the future as the fault of one man, while his political opposition in Serbia will be able to picture itself as unfortunately bound by whatever he agreed to. (As they've already tried with Stefanovic - ignoring the fact that since Serbia has signed nothing, the new government could simply ignore the agreements already reached.) Making Dacic the sacrificial goat would help to keep the Serbs-as-victims-at-the-negotiating-table theme alive in Serbian politics for another generation. Vucic wants to stay away from the deal while he improves his popularity by jailing tycoons, leaving Dacic with the blame for whatever concessions Serbia is going to have to make in return for progress on accession. Allowing one faction of Serb politicians to run for office in the future essentially against the EU (saying "it wasn't us who lost Kosovo") would only be asking for on-going problems. It's better now to make sure that everybody is visibly involved in the process and shares responsibility in order to insure future stability.
1/ Russia like Serbia was rather different when we let them destroy Yugoslavia when we let them ruin Libya and in 2013 when we have Putin back.
2/ Russian people and the elite fell shame and responsibility for letting the two mentioned tragedies happen. Nobody else feels the same towards you.
(rote, 22 February 2013 18:45)
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So through all of those political negotiations you did, and allowed what happened to happen, I can only assume Russia managed to get a nice prize. OK, fair enough, so now you should have capitalised on that prize and use that cap to help those allies you let down.
Perhaps a little difficult for Libya now but Serbia is ready and willing. We have seen what the EU has done to our region and neighbours, so let Russia (and China) now show the region what they can do through their one and only loyal ally and partner, Serbia...
If the job is done well, believe you me, the whole region will be yours. There is no better time than now.
1/ Russia like Serbia was rather different when we let them destroy Yugoslavia when we let them ruin Libya and in 2013 when we have Putin back.
2/ Russian people and the elite fell shame and responsibility for letting the two mentioned tragedies happen. Nobody else feels the same towards you.
So you don’t have to add salt to that injure. Today we are the only force able to stop the evil and only simple minded people believe that our economic , political and other potential is just to defend our own interests. In some way it belongs to whole of the mankind for otherwise the evil would spit at all rules and devastate this planet. Only the US-NATO politics force states to seek for nuclear and conventional armaments.
When I answer questions such as will Serbia have early elections this year I always vote DON’T KNOW coz it is true and nobody knows it here. But I guess that with the new Serbian elites we have much better understanding today. I too would like to stir up the cooperation.
But there must be things which brake the process. Serbia itself has no decision over preferences to eastern politics. Like the Ukraine you knock at the closed EU door while our doors are open wide. So who is to be blamed ? Another thing is the map where big Russia has borders with 12 more or less friendly states while small Serbia has 8 neighbors most of them as rivals. But as a world power we have to think wider than the bilateral relations.
We have seen what the EU has done to our region and neighbours, so let Russia (and China) now show the region what they can do through their one and only loyal ally and partner, Serbia...
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 20:21)
Serbia is so naive to believe in loyalty in international relations - Russia must be laughing with you. There are only interests in international relations dear Zoran. As long as Serbia has something for Russia to grab for free or a nominal price (like that did with NIS) Russia will be a "loayal" ally of Serbia and after that Serbia will be nothing more than a lemon. But if it serves as a consolation, Serbia is not alone - Kosovo, Albania, etc. are all on the same boat.
There is a great opportunity here in that Serbia is relatively small with lots of potential with struggling neighbours. If both Russia and China use Serbia as a model for large investments and to show the region what aligning with the BRICS means, I'm sure countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece will reconsider what is better for them - an EU bringing economic difficulties and third class membership or a prospering BRICS bringing first class membership.
(Zoran, 22 February 2013 14:11)
It sounds excellent, it was my dream long ago, I want it to come true.
(aaayyy, 22 February 2013 19:54)
Well, the BRICS don't need to do expensive experiments with their money when it is already known what it means to become like the BRICS - just see one of the BRICS, India, where the average citizen lives in deep poverty even when compared to Serbia, and you get the idea without having to waste money for experiments.
I love the way that the German economy has been in recession since May 2012 and not a word in the freedom loving press; not a blessed word.
(sj, 22 February 2013 11:10)
Probably the Germans are loving it as well since they certainly live better than, say, Malaysians - except, of course, those who work for merchant banks in Malaysia :)
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