PM Dačić on early elections, Kosovo issue

“And what have they done in five years? In five years of their independence they have about 90 countries that recognize Kosovo’s independence. Alright. But they can exist for another 100 years without being recognized by the UN,” the prime minister said.

Mark my words, 305 recognitions by the year 2120.


Tung,

The reason why everybody asks for election is the fact that Serbia is highly unstable single-topic country with no clue how to solve his trauma without crossing so-called red lines, while trying to find all kinds euphemism for the obvious developments which clearly show that Serbia is in fact already crossing those lines. Your suicidal development cost already many generations and it would be no surprise if you sacrifice even this one, and the next, and the next one...

So long..

“Serbia will not recognize Kosovo’s independence but it can accept that Kosovo and Metohija is organized in such a manner that Serbs can protect their interest and have a community of Serb municipalities,” the prime minister explained and stressed that the so-called parallel institutions would not be abolished until an agreement on jurisdiction of the community of Serb municipalities was reached.


I don't know how Ari,peggy and others will interpret the above statement , but I am 100% sure where Serbia stand is.

Because the meetings with thaci have lead to ambassadors and customs and talk of UN seats for Kosovo they do mean Serbia has recognized Kosovo independence. Statements about municipalities are also recognition of Kosovo indePendence. one should believe one of the strongest supporters of Kosovo indepenDence is Serbia and dacic and nikolic because of their meetings and customs and ambassadors and more

We are killing ourselves here and the only issue here is about the elections,” the prime minister said on Sunday. Mr. Dacic, if it suited you politically, your own little (sarcasm) but would be jumping up and down to have them. Problem is, the early elections are all about you, and you stand to lose your position in government. With all due respect as to how hard you are working in Brussels, but the most important thing for Serbia right now is to have a clean government, with clean (as much as possible) politicians. You yourself created this can of worms by meeting with members of organized crime families. Do you not believe that the Serbian citizens deserve a government they can trust? Right now, they do not trust you, and think you are involved with criminals. We will wait for the investigations to end, if they are not silenced by politicians, and we must have elections then. The EU can wait, we have waited for them long enough. Lets clean Serbia up first, internally, before we worry to much about external matters.

After reading this article, all i'm doing is...SHAKING MY HEAD. Oh, what a mess Serbia!

Why do Albanians here act so proud snd tough? KiM is administered by foreign countries. Pristina has power in name only, given to them by their sponsors. Please, can we call things as they are?

Albanci, because of western pressure, Serbia will do the best it can with the Kosovo i Metohija issue. It will never recognize an independent Albanian State on its southern province. It will however, do the best to protect its citizens there, that have not been driven out by Albanian extremists. Autonomous regions will be created, where KiM Serbs govern themselves, with little, or no intrusion from Pristina. I think we can all live with that. As for the future, well, the Western powers will not be in KiM forever, and you never know what the future holds. I hope it's peace. Albanci, don't get your panties in a bunch, Serbia will never recognize your land theft.

This is what a daily discussion in parliament sounds like: Kosovo,Kosovo, Kosovo, corruption, Kosovo, Kosovo, economy, Kosovo, Kosovo, Kosovo....etc.
When the f..ck will someone have the courage to say enough, enough, enough! Whether independent or not Kosovo is gone (from Serbia). It's time to talk about how to take care of the Serb communities (in Kosovo), how to create long term economic stability and well paid jobs but above all its time to move on.

Winston, I'm sure we both agree the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But can you please explain why you apparently think Kosovo should be a part of Serbia? The population is >90% Albanian, there has been an Albanian majority for well over 100 years, the vast majority of the population voted for independence.

Is it because Yugoslavia denied Kosovo republic status - which was a decision based on highly questionable concept of panslavism, Serbian nationalism?

Winston

Isn't that the Artissari plan? Majority Serb municipalities would rule themselves.

So back to square one!

Why do Albanians here act so proud snd tough? KiM is administered by foreign countries. Pristina has power in name only, given to them by their sponsors. Please, can we call things as they are?
(Winston, 17 February 2013 21:07)

Pristina is not the only capital to be dependent on "foreigners". Belgrade too has to act in accordance with others, hence why Serbian tanks will never roll through Kosovo. You may have been dead asleep for the last 50 years but no country in the Balkans is a super power and therefore must play to EU, USA, CHINA, or Russian tune.


In my opinion it would be even worse if I was a disillusioned serb living in bg in what I consider a "country" (un member right?) and yet have majority of the world, EU, NATO, etc pretty much tell you that a piece of your territory is not yours. Even worse, since we're calling things as they are, being dependent on donations of Brussels to barely survive. How is that recession coming along?

“[...] we do not know what we want.[...] everybody interprets our state policy in their own way.”

These words by Dačić speak volumes about Serbian problem. And now we aren't speaking
of a natural situation in which there exists as many opinions of any question as there are citizens. The problem is wider and deeper, and its exists because there's no rational handling and discussion of issues and of future road. What is needed is a nation wide discussion based on facts and rational examination of questions. Not just by politicians but especially by cool headed experts.

No matter how much Serbs take pride of the view that rationality is not their claim to fame Serbs need to base their future way and tools for progress on factual issues, and not just on emotion based opinions.

Before ww2 more than 60%of the population was serb so keep your lies about "albanian majority for well over 100 years"to yourself.
(Daniel, 18 February 2013 14:50)

I'm so sorry to shatter your dreams, but unfortunately the censuses of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia says otherwise in regards to Kosovo. So, according to the Yugoslav (Kingdom or SFR) censuses, this was the population of Kosovo in the last century:

Census Total K-Albs K-Serbs
1921 436.929 64,1 % 21,1 %
1931 552.064 62,8 % 26,9 %
1948 727.820 68,5 % 23,6 %
1953 807.901 64,9 % 23,5 %
1961 963.551 67,1 % 23,6 %
1971 1.243.693 73,7 % 18,4 %
1981 1.584.440 77,4 % 13,2 %
1991* 1.956.196 81,6 % 9,9 %
2012** 1.739.825 92.9 % 1.4 %

(*) No census was done in Kosovo. The figures are estimates of the Yugoslav Federal Office of Statistics

(**) Census organized by the Kosovo Agency of Statistics. Many Kosovo residents of Serb ethnic/cultural background did not participate in the census.

Albanci, don't get your panties in a bunch, Serbia will never recognize your land theft.
(winston, 17 February 2013 23:31)

The Albanci know that already... Serbia will indeed never recognize Albanci's land theft because Serbia does not have the deeds from the prior owners of the land anyway so it's not in a position to recognize anything.

Bekim_Novi Sad wrote:

"No it wasnt Fikret, it was based on the concept of self determination for Yugoslavia's constituent republics of the Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Macedonians, Bosnians and Montenegrins who had been granted republican status on the basis that they were constituent peoples. Us Albanians on the other hand already had an independent state called Albania (likewise for the Hungarians in Vojvodina)in which we were given autonomy. "

Sorry, but I think this doesn't contradict what I said at all.

Daniel wrote:

"Before ww2 more than 60%of the population was serb so keep your lies about 'albanian majority for well over 100 years' to yourself. [...] I send you a link so you can see the demographics of Kosovo prior to ww2. "

You actually sent a link to a virus infected website (JS:Trojan.Crypt.KA). Pleases understand that I cannot take such a doubtful source serious. Can you please name a better publication instead? I would also appreciate if you'd use a slightly more polite tone.

For the meantime, here's my source for Kosovo's predominatly Albanian population back in 1912:

- Noel Malcolm: Kosovo. A Short History. New York 1998. Page 356.

I'm sure your local librarian will help you find a copy.

Check out Dacic, he looks like he is pretty pissed off.. He's basically telling them, "his fellow serb politicians" yes we will recognize a independent Kosova!!! And there is nothing that any Serb radical can do about it!!! Then, he also discreetly gives them all the finger, while he is adjusting his tie! This is what you call a talented politician! Im actually starting to kinda like this Dacic guy!! He kinda reminds me of a S. Milosevic, just out of a intense cours of democratic rehabilitation!!! Good job democracy, it looks like you may have nail one & reformed this former hardliner? A few weeks ago he stated that Serbia must at all cost prevent Egypt from recognizing Kosova's independence, is it possible Dacic might have had insight that Egyptian recognition was close to becoming a reality? It might also be possible, that infact Serbia is helping make these recognitions possible even before the government in Kosova is aware of them! This way, once a predetermined number of Kosovare recognitions is achieved , then Serbia can say to its people, that we also have no choice and are forced to recognize a independent Kosova! I seriously am taking this consideration as a real possibility? Egypt, had very serious and close ties to Serbia, for a very long time!!! Anyway, thank you Egypt, and god bless!!!

Is it because Yugoslavia denied Kosovo republic status - which was a decision based on highly questionable concept of panslavism, Serbian nationalism?
(Fikret, 18 February 2013 09:16)

No it wasnt Fikret, it was based on the concept of self determination for Yugoslavia's constituent republics of the Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Macedonians, Bosnians and Montenegrins who had been granted republican status on the basis that they were constituent peoples. Us Albanians on the other hand already had an independent state called Albania (likewise for the Hungarians in Vojvodina)in which we were given autonomy.

That said, Kosovo is a done deal and short of WW3 Belgrade will not be re-establishing its authority there. What I see happening is a Daytonisation of Kosovo with the Serbs in the North defacto rejoining Serbia while those south of the Ibar getting maximum autonomy within a Kosovo state.

Winston, I'm sure we both agree the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But can you please explain why you apparently think Kosovo should be a part of Serbia? The population is >90% Albanian, there has been an Albanian majority for well over 100 years, the vast majority of the population voted for independence.

Before ww2 more than 60%of the population was serb so keep your lies about "albanian majority for well over 100 years"to yourself. There are areas in England where pakistanis are a majority, should they be given independence too?Do you think that republika srpska should be independent?In rs serbs are a overwhelming majority arent they?I send you a link so you can see the demographics of Kosovo prior to ww2.

Learn something before you comment.
http://opinionleaders.htmlplanet.com/popiskos.html

Albanci, because of western pressure, Serbia will do the best it can with the Kosovo i Metohija issue. It will never recognize an independent Albanian State on its southern province. It will however, do the best to protect its citizens there, that have not been driven out by Albanian extremists. Autonomous regions will be created, where KiM Serbs govern themselves, with little, or no intrusion from Pristina. I think we can all live with that. As for the future, well, the Western powers will not be in KiM forever, and you never know what the future holds. I hope it's peace. Albanci, don't get your panties in a bunch, Serbia will never recognize your land theft.

“And what have they done in five years? In five years of their independence they have about 90 countries that recognize Kosovo’s independence. Alright. But they can exist for another 100 years without being recognized by the UN,” the prime minister said.

Mark my words, 305 recognitions by the year 2120.


Tung,

Why do Albanians here act so proud snd tough? KiM is administered by foreign countries. Pristina has power in name only, given to them by their sponsors. Please, can we call things as they are?

“Serbia will not recognize Kosovo’s independence but it can accept that Kosovo and Metohija is organized in such a manner that Serbs can protect their interest and have a community of Serb municipalities,” the prime minister explained and stressed that the so-called parallel institutions would not be abolished until an agreement on jurisdiction of the community of Serb municipalities was reached.


I don't know how Ari,peggy and others will interpret the above statement , but I am 100% sure where Serbia stand is.

We are killing ourselves here and the only issue here is about the elections,” the prime minister said on Sunday. Mr. Dacic, if it suited you politically, your own little (sarcasm) but would be jumping up and down to have them. Problem is, the early elections are all about you, and you stand to lose your position in government. With all due respect as to how hard you are working in Brussels, but the most important thing for Serbia right now is to have a clean government, with clean (as much as possible) politicians. You yourself created this can of worms by meeting with members of organized crime families. Do you not believe that the Serbian citizens deserve a government they can trust? Right now, they do not trust you, and think you are involved with criminals. We will wait for the investigations to end, if they are not silenced by politicians, and we must have elections then. The EU can wait, we have waited for them long enough. Lets clean Serbia up first, internally, before we worry to much about external matters.

Winston, I'm sure we both agree the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But can you please explain why you apparently think Kosovo should be a part of Serbia? The population is >90% Albanian, there has been an Albanian majority for well over 100 years, the vast majority of the population voted for independence.

Before ww2 more than 60%of the population was serb so keep your lies about "albanian majority for well over 100 years"to yourself. There are areas in England where pakistanis are a majority, should they be given independence too?Do you think that republika srpska should be independent?In rs serbs are a overwhelming majority arent they?I send you a link so you can see the demographics of Kosovo prior to ww2.

Learn something before you comment.
http://opinionleaders.htmlplanet.com/popiskos.html

The reason why everybody asks for election is the fact that Serbia is highly unstable single-topic country with no clue how to solve his trauma without crossing so-called red lines, while trying to find all kinds euphemism for the obvious developments which clearly show that Serbia is in fact already crossing those lines. Your suicidal development cost already many generations and it would be no surprise if you sacrifice even this one, and the next, and the next one...

So long..

After reading this article, all i'm doing is...SHAKING MY HEAD. Oh, what a mess Serbia!

Is it because Yugoslavia denied Kosovo republic status - which was a decision based on highly questionable concept of panslavism, Serbian nationalism?
(Fikret, 18 February 2013 09:16)

No it wasnt Fikret, it was based on the concept of self determination for Yugoslavia's constituent republics of the Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Macedonians, Bosnians and Montenegrins who had been granted republican status on the basis that they were constituent peoples. Us Albanians on the other hand already had an independent state called Albania (likewise for the Hungarians in Vojvodina)in which we were given autonomy.

That said, Kosovo is a done deal and short of WW3 Belgrade will not be re-establishing its authority there. What I see happening is a Daytonisation of Kosovo with the Serbs in the North defacto rejoining Serbia while those south of the Ibar getting maximum autonomy within a Kosovo state.

Because the meetings with thaci have lead to ambassadors and customs and talk of UN seats for Kosovo they do mean Serbia has recognized Kosovo independence. Statements about municipalities are also recognition of Kosovo indePendence. one should believe one of the strongest supporters of Kosovo indepenDence is Serbia and dacic and nikolic because of their meetings and customs and ambassadors and more

Albanci, don't get your panties in a bunch, Serbia will never recognize your land theft.
(winston, 17 February 2013 23:31)

The Albanci know that already... Serbia will indeed never recognize Albanci's land theft because Serbia does not have the deeds from the prior owners of the land anyway so it's not in a position to recognize anything.

This is what a daily discussion in parliament sounds like: Kosovo,Kosovo, Kosovo, corruption, Kosovo, Kosovo, economy, Kosovo, Kosovo, Kosovo....etc.
When the f..ck will someone have the courage to say enough, enough, enough! Whether independent or not Kosovo is gone (from Serbia). It's time to talk about how to take care of the Serb communities (in Kosovo), how to create long term economic stability and well paid jobs but above all its time to move on.

Winston, I'm sure we both agree the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But can you please explain why you apparently think Kosovo should be a part of Serbia? The population is >90% Albanian, there has been an Albanian majority for well over 100 years, the vast majority of the population voted for independence.

Is it because Yugoslavia denied Kosovo republic status - which was a decision based on highly questionable concept of panslavism, Serbian nationalism?

Bekim_Novi Sad wrote:

"No it wasnt Fikret, it was based on the concept of self determination for Yugoslavia's constituent republics of the Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Macedonians, Bosnians and Montenegrins who had been granted republican status on the basis that they were constituent peoples. Us Albanians on the other hand already had an independent state called Albania (likewise for the Hungarians in Vojvodina)in which we were given autonomy. "

Sorry, but I think this doesn't contradict what I said at all.

Daniel wrote:

"Before ww2 more than 60%of the population was serb so keep your lies about 'albanian majority for well over 100 years' to yourself. [...] I send you a link so you can see the demographics of Kosovo prior to ww2. "

You actually sent a link to a virus infected website (JS:Trojan.Crypt.KA). Pleases understand that I cannot take such a doubtful source serious. Can you please name a better publication instead? I would also appreciate if you'd use a slightly more polite tone.

For the meantime, here's my source for Kosovo's predominatly Albanian population back in 1912:

- Noel Malcolm: Kosovo. A Short History. New York 1998. Page 356.

I'm sure your local librarian will help you find a copy.

Check out Dacic, he looks like he is pretty pissed off.. He's basically telling them, "his fellow serb politicians" yes we will recognize a independent Kosova!!! And there is nothing that any Serb radical can do about it!!! Then, he also discreetly gives them all the finger, while he is adjusting his tie! This is what you call a talented politician! Im actually starting to kinda like this Dacic guy!! He kinda reminds me of a S. Milosevic, just out of a intense cours of democratic rehabilitation!!! Good job democracy, it looks like you may have nail one & reformed this former hardliner? A few weeks ago he stated that Serbia must at all cost prevent Egypt from recognizing Kosova's independence, is it possible Dacic might have had insight that Egyptian recognition was close to becoming a reality? It might also be possible, that infact Serbia is helping make these recognitions possible even before the government in Kosova is aware of them! This way, once a predetermined number of Kosovare recognitions is achieved , then Serbia can say to its people, that we also have no choice and are forced to recognize a independent Kosova! I seriously am taking this consideration as a real possibility? Egypt, had very serious and close ties to Serbia, for a very long time!!! Anyway, thank you Egypt, and god bless!!!

Why do Albanians here act so proud snd tough? KiM is administered by foreign countries. Pristina has power in name only, given to them by their sponsors. Please, can we call things as they are?
(Winston, 17 February 2013 21:07)

Pristina is not the only capital to be dependent on "foreigners". Belgrade too has to act in accordance with others, hence why Serbian tanks will never roll through Kosovo. You may have been dead asleep for the last 50 years but no country in the Balkans is a super power and therefore must play to EU, USA, CHINA, or Russian tune.


In my opinion it would be even worse if I was a disillusioned serb living in bg in what I consider a "country" (un member right?) and yet have majority of the world, EU, NATO, etc pretty much tell you that a piece of your territory is not yours. Even worse, since we're calling things as they are, being dependent on donations of Brussels to barely survive. How is that recession coming along?

Winston

Isn't that the Artissari plan? Majority Serb municipalities would rule themselves.

So back to square one!

“[...] we do not know what we want.[...] everybody interprets our state policy in their own way.”

These words by Dačić speak volumes about Serbian problem. And now we aren't speaking
of a natural situation in which there exists as many opinions of any question as there are citizens. The problem is wider and deeper, and its exists because there's no rational handling and discussion of issues and of future road. What is needed is a nation wide discussion based on facts and rational examination of questions. Not just by politicians but especially by cool headed experts.

No matter how much Serbs take pride of the view that rationality is not their claim to fame Serbs need to base their future way and tools for progress on factual issues, and not just on emotion based opinions.

Before ww2 more than 60%of the population was serb so keep your lies about "albanian majority for well over 100 years"to yourself.
(Daniel, 18 February 2013 14:50)

I'm so sorry to shatter your dreams, but unfortunately the censuses of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia says otherwise in regards to Kosovo. So, according to the Yugoslav (Kingdom or SFR) censuses, this was the population of Kosovo in the last century:

Census Total K-Albs K-Serbs
1921 436.929 64,1 % 21,1 %
1931 552.064 62,8 % 26,9 %
1948 727.820 68,5 % 23,6 %
1953 807.901 64,9 % 23,5 %
1961 963.551 67,1 % 23,6 %
1971 1.243.693 73,7 % 18,4 %
1981 1.584.440 77,4 % 13,2 %
1991* 1.956.196 81,6 % 9,9 %
2012** 1.739.825 92.9 % 1.4 %

(*) No census was done in Kosovo. The figures are estimates of the Yugoslav Federal Office of Statistics

(**) Census organized by the Kosovo Agency of Statistics. Many Kosovo residents of Serb ethnic/cultural background did not participate in the census.