“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence”

"I express my sincere regret to all (Albanians) those who have suffered from behavior to which I am condemned," said Ojdanic

One of the top Serb military official in the 90's himself said that himself! You cannot keep hiding your crimes serbia, we Albanians are angry and want to make you pay now...did we ever touch your churches before the war crimes - NO! it only started after what you did to our children and elderly

There is no independence to recognize. Our Jerusalem is under temporary occupation. Just like the Jews returned to their holy land only a couple decades after a holocaust, Serbs will return to their holy land as well.

Dogodine u Prizrenu.

Sure, the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But denying Kosovo independence because of some historic myths is nothing but ridiculous.

Let's face reality: Kosovo's been predominantly Albanian for well over 100 years. The majority of its people never wants to be united with Serbia again. End of the discussion.

Fikret, why is Serbian history in Kosovo i Metohija a myth? Are you saying that the battle of Kosovo Polje never happened in 1389? Are you saying that the Serbian nation does not have a long history on that land? I do not understand the myth part. All I know, is that Albanians claim this land back to ancient times, yet they have little or no proof they were there. There are no monuments, symbols, archeological artifacts, writing, structures of worship, zilch. Why? I am not sure who is propagating myths in KiM, but at least the Serbs have evidence of their existence there. Wouldn't it be wiser to say, both Albanians and Serbs have a long history in Kosovo, and both have the right to live there peacefully? I am sure you have heard the saying, "an eye for an eye, only makes both sides blind".

Kosova, Serbian army was fighting the KLA, remember? I am not sure about what was happening to your children and elderly during the civil war, all I know is that Albanians are today terrorizing Serbian children and elderly, why? Be a man, Kosova, act like a man, Kosova, and stop the victimization. Just drop to your knees and thank Allah that the USA had geo-political interests in the Balkans, otherwise you would be celebrating Serbian holidays today, and not some UDI.

Customs and ambassadors are recognition

Friket

Serbia doesn't want to recognize Kosovo because of some historical myth but because of what this article suggests:

"The Office for Kosovo warns that “a state has not been established in so-called independent Kosovo but an apartheid in which two perpetrators have been convicted for 1,004 Serb victims"

It's a dissgrace to award and support the racist and terrorist policies of Pristina. If you fail to see that then your are as ignorant as the criminals in Kosovo who attack graveyards, churches and minorities on daily basis.

This probably means that Serbia won't get into the EU. No EU and no recognition of Kosovo. Double the joy on the same day!

NEVER SAY NEVER.

Kosova, I do not understand, what is the correlation between centuries old monasteries and any crime that was perpetrated on Albanians by Serbs? These monasteries have been in around for way too long, to have a recent conflict destroy them. The monasteries were built by people hundreds of years ago, not by the Milosevic regime. And what do we do now in Kosovo, have the Serbs start knocking down anything Albanian in retribution for these churches? Where does it end? If Pristina truly wants to build a democratic, multi-ethnic society, then why don't its inhabitants act like it? There have been conflicts and wars in many places around the world, but I have never witnessed the level of hatred that I do with Albanians towards Serbs. Is it possible for Albanians to ever separate in their minds, that not all Serbs, and not all things Serbian are responsible for Milosevic's State policies and actions? Should the world hate all Albanians because some of them are notorious drug, human, etc., traffickers, and responsible for the misery of many? Do you see the absurdity?

Let's face reality: Kosovo's been predominantly Albanian for well over 100 years. The majority of its people never wants to be united with Serbia again. End of the discussion.

Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled.

NEVER SAY NEVER.
(Bahri, 17 February 2013 16:19)

How abaout when PIGS FLY???

Let's face reality: Kosovo's been predominantly Albanian for well over 100 years. The majority of its people never wants to be united with Serbia again. End of the discussion.
(Friket, 17 February 2013 16:22)
Let's face reality: if you born in the KiM you are born in Serbian land.
The majority of albo people if don't obey serbian law in serbian land is criminal. Go to any other country and see what will be happen to you.

Yet the sun will come out daily.

Morocco is the ONLY country that is not part of the AU because it refuses to recognize the independence of "Western Sahara". However Morocco is still a powerful country in the region and it's economy didn't suffer from this and Western Sahara still even after 30+ years is not part of the UN and is not a country! Serbia can and should do the same! EU is NOT for Serbia!

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence” (statehood)

You will recognize our border (IBM), custom seals, license plate tags, insurance cards, diplomas, property documents, border patrol personnel, flag, custom seal, etc etc.


Tung,

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence”

Just like FR Yugoslavia said it would "never" recognise Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia.

Do they know how long "never" is?

“Serbia has never and will never recognize independent Kosovo. Something that was created on injustice cannot be legal and just,” reads a release.

The Office for Kosovo stressed that there had been 1,015 attacks on Serbs since Kosovo unilaterally declared independence on February 17, 2008, completely disregarding the UN Security Council and Kosovo Serbs’ opposition.

The Office for Kosovo stated in the release that Serbs had been attacked with firearms 51 times, that explosive devices had been planted 11 times, that hand grenades and Molotov cocktails had been thrown 15 times, that 25 churches had been attacked, that 201 Orthodox cemeteries had been desecrated, that 197 tombstones had been destroyed, that 135 Serb houses had been stoned and that fires were set to properties owned by Serbs 48 timed.

Excuse me!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

Mark my words, You have & will recognize Kosova. If not, you will be trapped in time, you will make no positive economic progress, you will be isolated even more then you currently are already, you will not become a EU member state without first becoming a truly democratic orientated & reformed country! The civilized & democratic world is moving forward, not backwards, like Serbia would have it? Serbia, is truly intent in remaining in the Stone Age! Thank The Lord we have powerful democratic country's, like the USA, Germany, France & Great Britain, etc! They will make it right this time!

Remember when the office of Kosovo was a ministry for kosovo! Downgraded!! Lol that is recognition of Kosovo independence

and Kosovo Serbs’ opposition.

For this guy Vulin, is more important 8% of population rather than 92%. No wonder, no one takes Serbs seriously! ej Vuline, can I get your job and salary, so I can do nothing and get paid hefty?

Hollywood weighs in on the Kosovo issue.
http://www.alo.rs/v-i-p/svetski-dzet-set/tom-henks-kosovo-je-oduvek-srpsko/11366

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence” B92

The correct title : Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence

I mean, be serious about such a titles B92, please!

Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled.
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 February 2013 18:07
Wow your math skills are amazing, have you won any awards for it? 100,000 serbs leaving takes the Albanian population from 56 to 95%
Maybe you should speak at the UNGA debate, I am sure we will hear similar claims from your corner.
Of course it is better than the one where 500,000 were cleansed out of 240,000 leaving 250,000.

Mike, I'm refering to the results of the last census under Tito back in 1981 as published by the Federal Statistical Office of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The staff of your nearest university library will gladly show you the shelf in which you can find the statistical yearbook.

I suppose that this all hangs upon your definition of 'recognise' and your preparedness for the consequences of not doing so. Brian seems to think that it has already happened by the back door. Others would say 'over my dead body', a rather foolish statement given the recent history of the Balkans. In light of the fact that Kosovo has only been independent for 5 years the word 'never' loses its significance. If the situation is the same in 2113 then perhaps our great great grandchildren might accept that the person making this statement meant what he said.

@Winston:

After reading your comments aren't you aware that not all Albanians are Muslim? Some Albanians are Orthodox Christians while some others are Catholics.

"Kosovo unilaterally declared independence on February 17, 2008, completely disregarding the UN Security Council and Kosovo Serbs’ opposition."

I'm not aware of any resolution or presidential statement from the UNSC opposing Kosovo's declaration of independence. Probably B92's reporter can be so kind to provide us with the source...

Sure, the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But denying Kosovo independence because of some historic myths is nothing but ridiculous.
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What myth is that Fikret?
It is not a myth that Serbs can prove Kosovo is theirs. It is not a myth that our monasteries and churches have stood there for centuries.
It is not a myth that Kosovo has been Serbian for centuries.
So what myth are you referring to?
The only myth here is that Kosovo belongs to Albanians because they are "illyrian". They have nothing but empty words when it comes to proving that Kosovo was ever theirs while we have proof all around.
So what myth? Go on tell us.

"Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled."
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 February 2013 18:07)

I understand the emotions make logical thinking difficult, but the above defies even the wildest immaginations. I'm not sure who told those numbers to you, but we, as homo sapiens, should put the mind in motion and think and not buy everything sold to us as true.

Kosovo has today about 1.8M inhabitants of all ethnicites and if we do the math, the numbers that you provided would mean that in 1993 Kosovo had about 430k inhabitants and in two decades the Albanians reproduced and multiplied at an amazing rate of more than 7 times :). That's the only way to reconcile the numbers that you provided.

Population was already about 50-50 serb-albanian pre WWII according to Serbian statistics. Don't cry.
Love, Danilo (Danilo, 17 February 2013 13:16)
How is it then, Danilo, that the Serb population in Kosovo today is less than 10%? This has been the biggest ethnic cleansing operation in the history of mankind.

expelling 100k serbs raised the number from 56% to 95%?
that`d be possible only if the population was about 200k , but we`re talking about 2 mln people , if u want to spread propaganda at least make sure u do it the right way haha..
(math.lol, 17 February 2013 22:02)
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Are you sure they are all Kosovo born Albanians there now?
Seeing how they all speak only Albanian there how can you tell where they all come from?
Don't forget, your lot expelled everyone else too, not just the Serbs.

I wonder how people here would react if Germany demanded Kaliningrad/Koenigsberg back from Russia.

Fikret

What census are you refering to? The one imagined in your head? Its understandable you have no problem with albs taking territory from serbs. You bosnians have done the same in Bosnia. You came with the turks and now you claim Bosnia for your selves. Republika Srpska is a guarantor for serbs remaining in Eastern Serbia!

Europe doesn `t care about serbs. They lost the kosovo war since it is not a UN member and will never be.

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence”

Just like FR Yugoslavia said it would "never" recognise Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia.

Do they know how long "never" is?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 23:13)

When it comes to lovely Kosova*, Never is FOREVER!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsBPAoOG6OQ

Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence”

Just like FR Yugoslavia said it would "never" recognise Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia.

Do they know how long "never" is?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 23:13

FRY of course never recognized those countries for independent, nor did its successor SCG.

Thank you Egypt!
One more for Kosovo, one less for Serbia.
Over your dead body, a Vuce?

The arteries have been cut and Serbia is dying a slow death.
Instead of trying to heal herself Serbia's politicians are trying to fight battles daily when they lost the war long ago.

Some of the battles they should fight include fighting corruption, inflation and the unemployment rate just to name a few.

Since they know they can't produce results, Serb politicians get to rule Serbia another day by talking about Kosovo. All they do is talk.

Ari, dogodine jos 10 priznanja.
Zivi bili pa videli.

Albanians reproduced and multiplied at an amazing rate of more than 7 times :). That's the only way to reconcile the numbers that you provided.
@(icj1, 17 February 2013 20:00)

Worse than rabbit.

"Fikret, why is Serbian history in Kosovo i Metohija a myth?"

The reason is simple: Medieval Serbia was not a nation state. It has as little to do with modern Serbia as the Holy Roman Empire has to do with modern Germany (or the Bycantine Empire with modern Greece for that matter).

"Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. "

According to the 1981 census, 77.4% of Kosovo's population was Albanian while 13.2% declared themselves Serbs. After the First Balkan War back in 1912, Serbian sources estimated 25% of the population were Serbs.

I don't know Winston. People keep complaining that Kosovo is an economic black hole. They probably sold their land and moved to Belgrade or abroad. Why didn't you move to Kosovo?

Do you have evidence of anything else?

(please don't quote that anal masturbation accident story that Serbs love so much. I don't need to hear it again. you know that one.)

Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled.
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 February 2013 18:07)
Your math knowledge is just ...lol.

expelling 100k serbs raised the number from 56% to 95%?
that`d be possible only if the population was about 200k , but we`re talking about 2 mln people , if u want to spread propaganda at least make sure u do it the right way haha..

Rocky, thanks for the link. It was obvious that the Serbs were taking revenge on the Albanians, who were staunch privileged Ottoman supporters for centuries, even becoming muslims, and did evil against Serb communities. Kind of like Albanians justifying their actions against Serb communities today, only 100 years ago. Payback is always a bitch in the Balkans, if you are on the receiving end.

Fredricton, Albanians are predominantly muslim, thanks for the education, though. I did not mean anything I said to be derogatory.

Math lol, comm. said two decades ago. You are trying to be a math genious, but are not too bright in English comprehension. Get a life, he was trying to make a point.

Poor Serbs didn't your mothers ever teach the saying "NEVER SAY NEVER".

It only makes your situation worse when you put yourself in an impossible position regarding recognizing Kosovo.

Serbia WILL recognize Kosovo eventually sooner rather than later, and when they do they will look even more ridiculous after doing so.

Before they would not even attend any political event or meeting if Kosovo reprsentatives were in attendance.

Now the Prime Ministers and Presidents of both KOSOVO and SERBIA representing their respect countries are meeting face to face and signing political agreements with each other in the presence of the EU.

But all the while claiming that "Serbia does not and will NEVER recognize Kosovo.

Who are the Serbs trying to fool????

Oh yeah, the naive and blind population of Serbia.

Everybody else in the World sees the true reality of the situation.

Morocco is the ONLY country that is not part of the AU because it refuses to recognize the independence of "Western Sahara". However Morocco is still a powerful country in the region and it's economy didn't suffer from this and Western Sahara still even after 30+ years is not part of the UN and is not a country! Serbia can and should do the same! EU is NOT for Serbia!
(nokosovo, 17 February 2013 19:39)

It's interesting how you didn't compute 2+2 = 4. The difference between these parallels is that Serbia is not powerful and depends on Brussels support. Serbia is currently in the midst of a second recession and only EU could help it economically and financially.

Think before you speak.

Tung,

Albanians reproduced and multiplied at an amazing rate of more than 7 times :). That's the only way to reconcile the numbers that you provided.
@(icj1, 17 February 2013 20:00)

Worse than rabbit.
(jojo, 18 February 2013 02:04)

Indeed, which is why Serbs in Serbia don't care to have Kosovo back. Only some in the Serb diaspora want that since they would not live in Serbia anyway.

Fikret

What census are you refering to? The one imagined in your head?
(MikeC, 18 February 2013 11:14)

The estimates of Milosevic's Federal Statistical Office were that in 1991 Kosovo's total population was 1.96M, of which Albanians were 81.6%, Serbs 9.9% and Others 8.5%.

Savezni zavod za statistiku (1993): Nacionalna pridpadnost. Detalja klasifikacija, Vol. 3, Popis ’91 Stanovništvo. Beograd.

Table “Stanovništvo prema nacionalnoj pripadnosti”, p. 226-275

"Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. "

According to the 1981 census, 77.4% of Kosovo's population was Albanian while 13.2% declared themselves Serbs. After the First Balkan War back in 1912, Serbian sources estimated 25% of the population were Serbs.
(Fikret, 18 February 2013 09:05)

You just never stop lying do you?
Na prostoru Kosova i Metohije 1871. godine bilo je 64% srpskog stanovništva dok danas imamo svega 5%.

Ako želimo da pogledamo demografsku sliku i diskutujemo o Albancima na Kosovu i Metohiji kao većini i Velikoj Albaniji ili Prirodnoj Albaniji ne moramo da idemo daleko u prošlost. Nema potrebe da pričamo o velikim vladarima i i imperijama. Sasvim je dovoljno da se vratimo nazad do 1871. godine i već imamo mnogo drugačiju sliku.

Hollywood weighs in on the Kosovo issue...

http://www.mfa-ks.net/?page=2,115,997&offset=30

It is not a myth that Serbs can prove Kosovo is theirs.
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

I’ve asked several times for Serbia to show the deed for entire Kosovo that they got from the prior owners, but Serbia has not been able to produce that, so far. As a result, the only deeds that we have are those of individual owners (Serbs, Albanians, etc) of lands parcels in Kosovo.
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It is not a myth that our monasteries and churches have stood there for centuries.
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

Sure, as there are catholic churches in New York and Serbian monasteries in Greece and all of them (in Kosovo, New York or Greece) are fully entitled to the monastery/church land as per their respective deeds.
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It is not a myth that Kosovo has been Serbian for centuries.
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

Sure, as it has been Turkish for many centuries; as it has been Roman for many centuries; as it has been something else for many other centuries and so on. Not sure what your point is, though…
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The only myth here is that Kosovo belongs to Albanians because they are "illyrian".
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

Yup, that is another myth as well for which I don’t understand what the point is even if it were to be 100% true.

I’ve asked several times for Serbia to show the deed for entire Kosovo that they got from the prior owners, but Serbia has not been able to produce that, so far. As a result, the only deeds that we have are those of individual owners (Serbs, Albanians, etc) of lands parcels in Kosovo.
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Ok, smartarse, since you know that a deed must exist how about you show us the deed you have that proves Kosovo is yours?

I have been asking for a very long time now for you guys to show us some proof, any proof even cave paintings that prove you were there before us and nothing yet. So how about you produce some evidence of your existence there before ours.
We have plenty of evidence and yes, in the forms of structures dating back centuries. What have you got?
Don't give me some lame cr@ap about Catholic churches having been in America for centuries and that doesn't prove anything. If you had half a brain you would know that you can't compare apples and oranges.

So how about it. You produce this mysterious deed you keep harping on about that proves your ownership and we will bow out gracefully. You can't so you won't.
Nobody has a deed to any country.
Stop posting stupid answers here, grow up and discuss like an adult. If you cant' do that then move to "New Kosova Report" and be "intelligent" there.

"I am not sure about what was happening to your children and elderly during the civil war, ..."

Hint: it involved more than throwing stones at buses.

Daniel, you didn't even name the source. Is it another one of your obscure, virus infected propaganda websites?

"Stop posting stupid answers here, grow up and discuss like an adult."

Unfortunately your interpretation of an adult discussion appears to be an insulting an aggressive tone. I don't think that's the way adults should discuss at all.

Ok, smartarse, since you know that a deed must exist how about you show us the deed you have that proves Kosovo is yours?
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

I'm in a very comfortable position for the simple fact that I have never claimed that that Kosovo is mine. I know to claim only things that I can prove :). I don't go by the principle of just stating whatever I wish and find the proof after if somebody questions it!
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I have been asking for a very long time now for you guys to show us some proof, any proof even cave paintings that prove you were there before us and nothing yet. So how about you produce some evidence of your existence there before ours.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

I've never claimed I existed before you. Dear Peggy, I know you want to reply to what you wanted me to say, but I did not say what you wanted me to say. So, read what I said before replying to me. Otherwise you can write yourself and then reply to your postings :)
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We have plenty of evidence and yes, in the forms of structures dating back centuries. What have you got?
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

I got no deed and you still have not shown the deed for the entire Kosovo. Structures prove nothing (see below your own comment). There are Roman, Serbian, Albanian, etc. structures in Kosovo from different times. So what's your point beside the fact that monastery X or Y in Kosovo owns Z hectares of land ?

Don't give me some lame cr@ap about Catholic churches having been in America for centuries and that doesn't prove anything.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Exactly, that was my point. Glad that you finally got it.
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So how about it. You produce this mysterious deed you keep harping on about that proves your ownership and we will bow out gracefully. You can't so you won't.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Of course I don't have to provide any deed because I NEVER CLAIMED that Kosovo's is mine or that I have the deed. You are claiming that Kosovo is Serbia’s and thus I asked for Serbia to show the deed.
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Nobody has a deed to any country.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Exactly! You’re finally making some progress in understanding!
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Stop posting stupid answers here, grow up and discuss like an adult. If you cant' do that then move to "New Kosova Report" and be "intelligent" there.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Apologies for being stupid and asking for evidence. I know that sounds outlandish to some people. Next time I’ll be more sensitive and ask for folk tales :)

"I express my sincere regret to all (Albanians) those who have suffered from behavior to which I am condemned," said Ojdanic

One of the top Serb military official in the 90's himself said that himself! You cannot keep hiding your crimes serbia, we Albanians are angry and want to make you pay now...did we ever touch your churches before the war crimes - NO! it only started after what you did to our children and elderly

Sure, the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But denying Kosovo independence because of some historic myths is nothing but ridiculous.

Let's face reality: Kosovo's been predominantly Albanian for well over 100 years. The majority of its people never wants to be united with Serbia again. End of the discussion.

NEVER SAY NEVER.

Customs and ambassadors are recognition

There is no independence to recognize. Our Jerusalem is under temporary occupation. Just like the Jews returned to their holy land only a couple decades after a holocaust, Serbs will return to their holy land as well.

Dogodine u Prizrenu.

and Kosovo Serbs’ opposition.

For this guy Vulin, is more important 8% of population rather than 92%. No wonder, no one takes Serbs seriously! ej Vuline, can I get your job and salary, so I can do nothing and get paid hefty?

“Serbia has never and will never recognize independent Kosovo. Something that was created on injustice cannot be legal and just,” reads a release.

The Office for Kosovo stressed that there had been 1,015 attacks on Serbs since Kosovo unilaterally declared independence on February 17, 2008, completely disregarding the UN Security Council and Kosovo Serbs’ opposition.

The Office for Kosovo stated in the release that Serbs had been attacked with firearms 51 times, that explosive devices had been planted 11 times, that hand grenades and Molotov cocktails had been thrown 15 times, that 25 churches had been attacked, that 201 Orthodox cemeteries had been desecrated, that 197 tombstones had been destroyed, that 135 Serb houses had been stoned and that fires were set to properties owned by Serbs 48 timed.

Excuse me!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

Mark my words, You have & will recognize Kosova. If not, you will be trapped in time, you will make no positive economic progress, you will be isolated even more then you currently are already, you will not become a EU member state without first becoming a truly democratic orientated & reformed country! The civilized & democratic world is moving forward, not backwards, like Serbia would have it? Serbia, is truly intent in remaining in the Stone Age! Thank The Lord we have powerful democratic country's, like the USA, Germany, France & Great Britain, etc! They will make it right this time!

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence” (statehood)

You will recognize our border (IBM), custom seals, license plate tags, insurance cards, diplomas, property documents, border patrol personnel, flag, custom seal, etc etc.


Tung,

Kosova, Serbian army was fighting the KLA, remember? I am not sure about what was happening to your children and elderly during the civil war, all I know is that Albanians are today terrorizing Serbian children and elderly, why? Be a man, Kosova, act like a man, Kosova, and stop the victimization. Just drop to your knees and thank Allah that the USA had geo-political interests in the Balkans, otherwise you would be celebrating Serbian holidays today, and not some UDI.

Thank you Egypt!
One more for Kosovo, one less for Serbia.
Over your dead body, a Vuce?

The arteries have been cut and Serbia is dying a slow death.
Instead of trying to heal herself Serbia's politicians are trying to fight battles daily when they lost the war long ago.

Some of the battles they should fight include fighting corruption, inflation and the unemployment rate just to name a few.

Since they know they can't produce results, Serb politicians get to rule Serbia another day by talking about Kosovo. All they do is talk.

Ari, dogodine jos 10 priznanja.
Zivi bili pa videli.

Remember when the office of Kosovo was a ministry for kosovo! Downgraded!! Lol that is recognition of Kosovo independence

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence”

Just like FR Yugoslavia said it would "never" recognise Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia.

Do they know how long "never" is?

Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled.
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 February 2013 18:07
Wow your math skills are amazing, have you won any awards for it? 100,000 serbs leaving takes the Albanian population from 56 to 95%
Maybe you should speak at the UNGA debate, I am sure we will hear similar claims from your corner.
Of course it is better than the one where 500,000 were cleansed out of 240,000 leaving 250,000.

Let's face reality: Kosovo's been predominantly Albanian for well over 100 years. The majority of its people never wants to be united with Serbia again. End of the discussion.

Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled.

NEVER SAY NEVER.
(Bahri, 17 February 2013 16:19)

How abaout when PIGS FLY???

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence” B92

The correct title : Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence

I mean, be serious about such a titles B92, please!

Fikret, why is Serbian history in Kosovo i Metohija a myth? Are you saying that the battle of Kosovo Polje never happened in 1389? Are you saying that the Serbian nation does not have a long history on that land? I do not understand the myth part. All I know, is that Albanians claim this land back to ancient times, yet they have little or no proof they were there. There are no monuments, symbols, archeological artifacts, writing, structures of worship, zilch. Why? I am not sure who is propagating myths in KiM, but at least the Serbs have evidence of their existence there. Wouldn't it be wiser to say, both Albanians and Serbs have a long history in Kosovo, and both have the right to live there peacefully? I am sure you have heard the saying, "an eye for an eye, only makes both sides blind".

"Kosovo unilaterally declared independence on February 17, 2008, completely disregarding the UN Security Council and Kosovo Serbs’ opposition."

I'm not aware of any resolution or presidential statement from the UNSC opposing Kosovo's declaration of independence. Probably B92's reporter can be so kind to provide us with the source...

"Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled."
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 February 2013 18:07)

I understand the emotions make logical thinking difficult, but the above defies even the wildest immaginations. I'm not sure who told those numbers to you, but we, as homo sapiens, should put the mind in motion and think and not buy everything sold to us as true.

Kosovo has today about 1.8M inhabitants of all ethnicites and if we do the math, the numbers that you provided would mean that in 1993 Kosovo had about 430k inhabitants and in two decades the Albanians reproduced and multiplied at an amazing rate of more than 7 times :). That's the only way to reconcile the numbers that you provided.

Friket

Serbia doesn't want to recognize Kosovo because of some historical myth but because of what this article suggests:

"The Office for Kosovo warns that “a state has not been established in so-called independent Kosovo but an apartheid in which two perpetrators have been convicted for 1,004 Serb victims"

It's a dissgrace to award and support the racist and terrorist policies of Pristina. If you fail to see that then your are as ignorant as the criminals in Kosovo who attack graveyards, churches and minorities on daily basis.

This probably means that Serbia won't get into the EU. No EU and no recognition of Kosovo. Double the joy on the same day!

Yet the sun will come out daily.

Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. Now it's 95% after some 100.000 Serbs were expelled.
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 February 2013 18:07)
Your math knowledge is just ...lol.

expelling 100k serbs raised the number from 56% to 95%?
that`d be possible only if the population was about 200k , but we`re talking about 2 mln people , if u want to spread propaganda at least make sure u do it the right way haha..

Kosova, I do not understand, what is the correlation between centuries old monasteries and any crime that was perpetrated on Albanians by Serbs? These monasteries have been in around for way too long, to have a recent conflict destroy them. The monasteries were built by people hundreds of years ago, not by the Milosevic regime. And what do we do now in Kosovo, have the Serbs start knocking down anything Albanian in retribution for these churches? Where does it end? If Pristina truly wants to build a democratic, multi-ethnic society, then why don't its inhabitants act like it? There have been conflicts and wars in many places around the world, but I have never witnessed the level of hatred that I do with Albanians towards Serbs. Is it possible for Albanians to ever separate in their minds, that not all Serbs, and not all things Serbian are responsible for Milosevic's State policies and actions? Should the world hate all Albanians because some of them are notorious drug, human, etc., traffickers, and responsible for the misery of many? Do you see the absurdity?

Let's face reality: Kosovo's been predominantly Albanian for well over 100 years. The majority of its people never wants to be united with Serbia again. End of the discussion.
(Friket, 17 February 2013 16:22)
Let's face reality: if you born in the KiM you are born in Serbian land.
The majority of albo people if don't obey serbian law in serbian land is criminal. Go to any other country and see what will be happen to you.

@Winston:

After reading your comments aren't you aware that not all Albanians are Muslim? Some Albanians are Orthodox Christians while some others are Catholics.

Europe doesn `t care about serbs. They lost the kosovo war since it is not a UN member and will never be.

Hollywood weighs in on the Kosovo issue.
http://www.alo.rs/v-i-p/svetski-dzet-set/tom-henks-kosovo-je-oduvek-srpsko/11366

Fikret

What census are you refering to? The one imagined in your head? Its understandable you have no problem with albs taking territory from serbs. You bosnians have done the same in Bosnia. You came with the turks and now you claim Bosnia for your selves. Republika Srpska is a guarantor for serbs remaining in Eastern Serbia!

"Fikret, why is Serbian history in Kosovo i Metohija a myth?"

The reason is simple: Medieval Serbia was not a nation state. It has as little to do with modern Serbia as the Holy Roman Empire has to do with modern Germany (or the Bycantine Empire with modern Greece for that matter).

I wonder how people here would react if Germany demanded Kaliningrad/Koenigsberg back from Russia.

"Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. "

According to the 1981 census, 77.4% of Kosovo's population was Albanian while 13.2% declared themselves Serbs. After the First Balkan War back in 1912, Serbian sources estimated 25% of the population were Serbs.

Mike, I'm refering to the results of the last census under Tito back in 1981 as published by the Federal Statistical Office of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The staff of your nearest university library will gladly show you the shelf in which you can find the statistical yearbook.

I suppose that this all hangs upon your definition of 'recognise' and your preparedness for the consequences of not doing so. Brian seems to think that it has already happened by the back door. Others would say 'over my dead body', a rather foolish statement given the recent history of the Balkans. In light of the fact that Kosovo has only been independent for 5 years the word 'never' loses its significance. If the situation is the same in 2113 then perhaps our great great grandchildren might accept that the person making this statement meant what he said.

Sure, the situation for Serbs in Kosovo urgently needs to be improved. But denying Kosovo independence because of some historic myths is nothing but ridiculous.
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What myth is that Fikret?
It is not a myth that Serbs can prove Kosovo is theirs. It is not a myth that our monasteries and churches have stood there for centuries.
It is not a myth that Kosovo has been Serbian for centuries.
So what myth are you referring to?
The only myth here is that Kosovo belongs to Albanians because they are "illyrian". They have nothing but empty words when it comes to proving that Kosovo was ever theirs while we have proof all around.
So what myth? Go on tell us.

Morocco is the ONLY country that is not part of the AU because it refuses to recognize the independence of "Western Sahara". However Morocco is still a powerful country in the region and it's economy didn't suffer from this and Western Sahara still even after 30+ years is not part of the UN and is not a country! Serbia can and should do the same! EU is NOT for Serbia!
(nokosovo, 17 February 2013 19:39)

It's interesting how you didn't compute 2+2 = 4. The difference between these parallels is that Serbia is not powerful and depends on Brussels support. Serbia is currently in the midst of a second recession and only EU could help it economically and financially.

Think before you speak.

Tung,

Albanians reproduced and multiplied at an amazing rate of more than 7 times :). That's the only way to reconcile the numbers that you provided.
@(icj1, 17 February 2013 20:00)

Worse than rabbit.

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence”

Just like FR Yugoslavia said it would "never" recognise Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia.

Do they know how long "never" is?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 23:13)

When it comes to lovely Kosova*, Never is FOREVER!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsBPAoOG6OQ

Poor Serbs didn't your mothers ever teach the saying "NEVER SAY NEVER".

It only makes your situation worse when you put yourself in an impossible position regarding recognizing Kosovo.

Serbia WILL recognize Kosovo eventually sooner rather than later, and when they do they will look even more ridiculous after doing so.

Before they would not even attend any political event or meeting if Kosovo reprsentatives were in attendance.

Now the Prime Ministers and Presidents of both KOSOVO and SERBIA representing their respect countries are meeting face to face and signing political agreements with each other in the presence of the EU.

But all the while claiming that "Serbia does not and will NEVER recognize Kosovo.

Who are the Serbs trying to fool????

Oh yeah, the naive and blind population of Serbia.

Everybody else in the World sees the true reality of the situation.

Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence”

Just like FR Yugoslavia said it would "never" recognise Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia.

Do they know how long "never" is?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 23:13

FRY of course never recognized those countries for independent, nor did its successor SCG.

Rocky, thanks for the link. It was obvious that the Serbs were taking revenge on the Albanians, who were staunch privileged Ottoman supporters for centuries, even becoming muslims, and did evil against Serb communities. Kind of like Albanians justifying their actions against Serb communities today, only 100 years ago. Payback is always a bitch in the Balkans, if you are on the receiving end.

Fredricton, Albanians are predominantly muslim, thanks for the education, though. I did not mean anything I said to be derogatory.

Population was already about 50-50 serb-albanian pre WWII according to Serbian statistics. Don't cry.
Love, Danilo (Danilo, 17 February 2013 13:16)
How is it then, Danilo, that the Serb population in Kosovo today is less than 10%? This has been the biggest ethnic cleansing operation in the history of mankind.

I don't know Winston. People keep complaining that Kosovo is an economic black hole. They probably sold their land and moved to Belgrade or abroad. Why didn't you move to Kosovo?

Do you have evidence of anything else?

(please don't quote that anal masturbation accident story that Serbs love so much. I don't need to hear it again. you know that one.)

It is not a myth that Serbs can prove Kosovo is theirs.
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

I’ve asked several times for Serbia to show the deed for entire Kosovo that they got from the prior owners, but Serbia has not been able to produce that, so far. As a result, the only deeds that we have are those of individual owners (Serbs, Albanians, etc) of lands parcels in Kosovo.
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It is not a myth that our monasteries and churches have stood there for centuries.
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

Sure, as there are catholic churches in New York and Serbian monasteries in Greece and all of them (in Kosovo, New York or Greece) are fully entitled to the monastery/church land as per their respective deeds.
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It is not a myth that Kosovo has been Serbian for centuries.
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

Sure, as it has been Turkish for many centuries; as it has been Roman for many centuries; as it has been something else for many other centuries and so on. Not sure what your point is, though…
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The only myth here is that Kosovo belongs to Albanians because they are "illyrian".
(Peggy, 18 February 2013 01:11)

Yup, that is another myth as well for which I don’t understand what the point is even if it were to be 100% true.

Daniel, you didn't even name the source. Is it another one of your obscure, virus infected propaganda websites?

Morocco is the ONLY country that is not part of the AU because it refuses to recognize the independence of "Western Sahara". However Morocco is still a powerful country in the region and it's economy didn't suffer from this and Western Sahara still even after 30+ years is not part of the UN and is not a country! Serbia can and should do the same! EU is NOT for Serbia!

Hollywood weighs in on the Kosovo issue...

http://www.mfa-ks.net/?page=2,115,997&offset=30

Math lol, comm. said two decades ago. You are trying to be a math genious, but are not too bright in English comprehension. Get a life, he was trying to make a point.

expelling 100k serbs raised the number from 56% to 95%?
that`d be possible only if the population was about 200k , but we`re talking about 2 mln people , if u want to spread propaganda at least make sure u do it the right way haha..
(math.lol, 17 February 2013 22:02)
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Are you sure they are all Kosovo born Albanians there now?
Seeing how they all speak only Albanian there how can you tell where they all come from?
Don't forget, your lot expelled everyone else too, not just the Serbs.

"Correct, but 2 decades ago, the Albanian majority was about fifty-sixty percent. "

According to the 1981 census, 77.4% of Kosovo's population was Albanian while 13.2% declared themselves Serbs. After the First Balkan War back in 1912, Serbian sources estimated 25% of the population were Serbs.
(Fikret, 18 February 2013 09:05)

You just never stop lying do you?
Na prostoru Kosova i Metohije 1871. godine bilo je 64% srpskog stanovništva dok danas imamo svega 5%.

Ako želimo da pogledamo demografsku sliku i diskutujemo o Albancima na Kosovu i Metohiji kao većini i Velikoj Albaniji ili Prirodnoj Albaniji ne moramo da idemo daleko u prošlost. Nema potrebe da pričamo o velikim vladarima i i imperijama. Sasvim je dovoljno da se vratimo nazad do 1871. godine i već imamo mnogo drugačiju sliku.

I’ve asked several times for Serbia to show the deed for entire Kosovo that they got from the prior owners, but Serbia has not been able to produce that, so far. As a result, the only deeds that we have are those of individual owners (Serbs, Albanians, etc) of lands parcels in Kosovo.
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Ok, smartarse, since you know that a deed must exist how about you show us the deed you have that proves Kosovo is yours?

I have been asking for a very long time now for you guys to show us some proof, any proof even cave paintings that prove you were there before us and nothing yet. So how about you produce some evidence of your existence there before ours.
We have plenty of evidence and yes, in the forms of structures dating back centuries. What have you got?
Don't give me some lame cr@ap about Catholic churches having been in America for centuries and that doesn't prove anything. If you had half a brain you would know that you can't compare apples and oranges.

So how about it. You produce this mysterious deed you keep harping on about that proves your ownership and we will bow out gracefully. You can't so you won't.
Nobody has a deed to any country.
Stop posting stupid answers here, grow up and discuss like an adult. If you cant' do that then move to "New Kosova Report" and be "intelligent" there.

"I am not sure about what was happening to your children and elderly during the civil war, ..."

Hint: it involved more than throwing stones at buses.

Albanians reproduced and multiplied at an amazing rate of more than 7 times :). That's the only way to reconcile the numbers that you provided.
@(icj1, 17 February 2013 20:00)

Worse than rabbit.
(jojo, 18 February 2013 02:04)

Indeed, which is why Serbs in Serbia don't care to have Kosovo back. Only some in the Serb diaspora want that since they would not live in Serbia anyway.

Fikret

What census are you refering to? The one imagined in your head?
(MikeC, 18 February 2013 11:14)

The estimates of Milosevic's Federal Statistical Office were that in 1991 Kosovo's total population was 1.96M, of which Albanians were 81.6%, Serbs 9.9% and Others 8.5%.

Savezni zavod za statistiku (1993): Nacionalna pridpadnost. Detalja klasifikacija, Vol. 3, Popis ’91 Stanovništvo. Beograd.

Table “Stanovništvo prema nacionalnoj pripadnosti”, p. 226-275

"Stop posting stupid answers here, grow up and discuss like an adult."

Unfortunately your interpretation of an adult discussion appears to be an insulting an aggressive tone. I don't think that's the way adults should discuss at all.

Ok, smartarse, since you know that a deed must exist how about you show us the deed you have that proves Kosovo is yours?
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

I'm in a very comfortable position for the simple fact that I have never claimed that that Kosovo is mine. I know to claim only things that I can prove :). I don't go by the principle of just stating whatever I wish and find the proof after if somebody questions it!
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I have been asking for a very long time now for you guys to show us some proof, any proof even cave paintings that prove you were there before us and nothing yet. So how about you produce some evidence of your existence there before ours.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

I've never claimed I existed before you. Dear Peggy, I know you want to reply to what you wanted me to say, but I did not say what you wanted me to say. So, read what I said before replying to me. Otherwise you can write yourself and then reply to your postings :)
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We have plenty of evidence and yes, in the forms of structures dating back centuries. What have you got?
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

I got no deed and you still have not shown the deed for the entire Kosovo. Structures prove nothing (see below your own comment). There are Roman, Serbian, Albanian, etc. structures in Kosovo from different times. So what's your point beside the fact that monastery X or Y in Kosovo owns Z hectares of land ?

Don't give me some lame cr@ap about Catholic churches having been in America for centuries and that doesn't prove anything.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Exactly, that was my point. Glad that you finally got it.
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So how about it. You produce this mysterious deed you keep harping on about that proves your ownership and we will bow out gracefully. You can't so you won't.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Of course I don't have to provide any deed because I NEVER CLAIMED that Kosovo's is mine or that I have the deed. You are claiming that Kosovo is Serbia’s and thus I asked for Serbia to show the deed.
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Nobody has a deed to any country.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Exactly! You’re finally making some progress in understanding!
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Stop posting stupid answers here, grow up and discuss like an adult. If you cant' do that then move to "New Kosova Report" and be "intelligent" there.
(Peggy, 19 February 2013 12:17)

Apologies for being stupid and asking for evidence. I know that sounds outlandish to some people. Next time I’ll be more sensitive and ask for folk tales :)