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Sunday, 17.02.2013.

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Fifth anniversary of Kosovo’s UDI

Kosovo is today marking the fifth anniversary of its unilaterally declared independence with a parade and a special session of the Kosovo assembly.

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Joe

pre 11 godina

Daniel, If I a correct there was no JNA yet at that time. As for your explanation it is the usual discredited propaganda line. Following the events in Kosovo for years I am glad that it is payback time for your crimes. I hope it will last for years until no serb is left in Kosovo.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Daniel, slaughtering 40,000 innocent Hungarian civilians in 1944 was also part of your "proud" history?
(Joe, 18 February 2013 15:43)

Of course it is, that was only a small payback for what they did to us during ww1, and by the way those "civilians"fought alongside the nazis and were killed by the JNA made up of serbs, croats, macedonians, bosniaks etc etc.

icj1

pre 11 godina

"99 - Serbia = 0
(masterzoran, 17 February 2013 17:24)"

Ha ha ha, good one Zoran! Unfortunately the math is probably too complex for the average Albanian visitor.
(Milan, 18 February 2013 02:02)

It is indeed, because the above would mean that Serbia = 99 countries (applying the normal interpretation of arithmetic notations; not sure if they are the same in Serbia as in the rest of the world).

99 - Serbia = 0
(add "Serbia" on both sides of the equality)
99 - Serbia + Serbia = 0 + Serbia
(Serbia cancels out on the left side and the 0 cancels out on the right side)
99 = Serbia
(using the symmetric property of equality)
Serbia = 99

Now, whether Serbia is equal to 99 other countries, that is a matter open to interpretation. For somebody suffering from megalomania it is and that is perfectly understandable.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

Daniel, 18 February 2013 13:15)
You keep wondering why Albanians never mention the organ harvesting crimes committed on Serbs. The very reason it is not mentioned by anyone but Serbs is no one has presented anything but rumors that such crimes were committed. Until there is some proof on the table (other than the Serb prosecutor saying in the press "new evidence has been discovered") you will never get anyone to say that these crimes happened.
After Dick Marty said that the atroceities committed by Serbs on the Albanian people in Kosovo is well documented and cannot be called into question. But daily you and others claim on here that they did not. If you can deny proven crimes, certainly the Albanians can deny UNproven crimes.

Yessaul

pre 11 godina

Daniel, slaughtering 40,000 innocent Hungarian civilians in 1944 was also part of your "proud" history?
(Joe, 18 February 2013 15:43)

If that number would be 10M instead of 40K - than there would be no need for me to buy a paint tomorrow to decorate the Zero Km stone next to Lánchíd.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Please, thank the world for saying "ok you did what you did, now you have a chance to prove yourself!", instead of totally cutting up your nation and or turning it into another Germany or Japan post WWII which was strictly controlled by the West for decades.

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!
(Nic, 18 February 2013 12:11)

Who has serbia mass exterminated the last 100 years?You must be talking about the croats that slaughtered more than 750 000 serbs at Jasenovac during ww2. 750 000 only at Jasenovac, and yet you dont tell the croats to apologize for their violent past?With your logic Germany should not exist today because of all the atrocities the german people committed upon jews, serbs and others.

Why should serbs apologize for the crimes they committed when noone has ever apologized for the crimes committed upon the serb people which are thousand times worse?We will never ever apologize for anything, but I do know that albanians and other hypocrites like yourself would really like that.

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@Tex:

Regarding the slur 'Paki' in actuality and I suppose depending on the text that some Pakistanis regard that slur as being derogatory while some others simply regard it as being short for Pakistani,also, even though this article ain't pertaining to Japan I thought I'd just point out that the term 'Jap' and 'Nip' is considered derogatory among the Japanese or most Japanese.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Reading some of the comments really make me wonder, I know only 1% of people actually may comment, but still, living in 2013 and after Serbia did what it did not just to the Albanian people in Kosova, but Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia and elsewhere, how on earth can people still actually believe that Serbia is a righteous nation. To be honest, I'd be happy that Serbia was allowed to exist after all of the massive calculated institution run programs of mass extermination for the past 100 or more years.

Why dont u mention the atrocities committed upon serbs in bosnia, croatia and kosovo?Why dont you mention that 250 000 serbs were expelled only from croatia?Why dont you mention that 80 000 serb civilians were killed in bosnia?Why dont you mention the churchburning, gravedesecrating, organharvesting committed by the albanians in Kosovo. Need I remind you that the slovenes started the war by illegaly voting for a independence from SFRJ which was opposed to the ustav of the SFRJ?I was born in the SFRJ and yet you want to come here and lecture me of who committed what in my own country??You only know what CNN taught you, and that is nothing.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!
(Nic, 18 February 2013 12:11)

Serbia has a very very bright and PROUD history, unlike the albanians and the croats that 100%sided with the nazis during ww2. Serbia has always been on the side of the antifasists and always fought oppressors and conquerers like the turks and the germans. You should tell the albanians and the croats to apologize for their violent, barbaric and murderous history of killing serbs while siding with the nazis.

Nic

pre 11 godina

I must admit I like reading the b92 website, it seems to be very fair and impartial, and it seems to operate in the realm of reality.

Reading some of the comments really make me wonder, I know only 1% of people actually may comment, but still, living in 2013 and after Serbia did what it did not just to the Albanian people in Kosova, but Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia and elsewhere, how on earth can people still actually believe that Serbia is a righteous nation. To be honest, I'd be happy that Serbia was allowed to exist after all of the massive calculated institution run programs of mass extermination for the past 100 or more years.

Please, thank the world for saying "ok you did what you did, now you have a chance to prove yourself!", instead of totally cutting up your nation and or turning it into another Germany or Japan post WWII which was strictly controlled by the West for decades.

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!

Simot

pre 11 godina

Haha look at the albanians "Thank you (insert country name that had its government overthrown by islamist extremist warriors) for overthrowing your government, installing sharia, oppressing your people and recognising kosovo."

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Just remember one day we made a unilateral declaration of independence. It took us 7 years to make our constitution and set up a government."
(pss, 17 February 2013 17:07)

And how many more decades will it take 'you' to become a respected, democratic state that shares European values and honors human rights and get rid of the mafia clans you call 'government'?

Bl

pre 11 godina

I think that Serbia / her citizens should be more realistic in their comments. Keep in mind that Kosovo has experienced many tragedies during the period 1998 - 1999 and this fact can not be denied because it has happened in modern times. Enough with the sentence "Kosovo is Serbia" because it sounds pathetic. Serbia is not a good example to denounce the development of the state of Kosovo. As you're waiting for EU membership.

ben

pre 11 godina

(Ivan,Bulgaria, 17 February 2013 19:58)

there is a clear trend there Ivan ;) thanks and all the best to you and everyone else in Bulgaria.

Tex

pre 11 godina

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.
(My background is anti-Pakistani, 17 February 2013 19:17)

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)

Get real for once Ian! Where the hell do you see vile and racist language in that above comment? Pakis??
Go lecture carrot-top and tell him not to use the term Paki on TV and see what he says. As far as I'm concerned, Paki is a nice, warm and friendly shortcut to Pakistani. It's like Albos for Albanians or like Yanks for Yankees.
In what kind of a boring, dry, pretentious and politically non-smoking correct dream world would you like to live in today?? lol

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Say, Kosovo had 1000 problems when it was under Serbia. Now it has 999 (i.e. 1000 minus the Serbia problem). So it is progress. "
(icj1, 17 February 2013 14:50)

Wow, finally realistic view on the progress Kosovo made, coming from an Albanian. But still, solving none of the 999 other problems in 5 years is nothing to celebrate.

Milan

pre 11 godina

"99 - Serbia = 0
(masterzoran, 17 February 2013 17:24)"

Ha ha ha, good one Zoran! Unfortunately the math is probably too complex for the average Albanian visitor.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)
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Oh Ian, you have never complained when Albanians got into the swing of things.
So much venom from the Albanian side and not once you complained.
Wonder why.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Exporting terrorists & heroin throughout Europe is nothing to celebrate.
Stealing others' property & mass breeding is nothing to celebrate.
Burning beautiful Serbian monasteries and desecrating Serbian graves is nothing to celebrate.
Celebrations for this will be short lived.
(trizo, 17 February 2013 23:25)

Actually celebrations about those things never happened... so nothing for you to worry about :)

Asteri

pre 11 godina

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)

Why indeed, in fact why are you still here?

Hey, everyone lets not forget that it is an important anniversary - to day is the independence day of Gambia. Congratulations!

winston

pre 11 godina

Ian, if anyone should be censored on B92, it's you, with your daily anti-Serb rants. You are very insulting, yet B92 gives you the freedom to express yourself. Respect it with others, even if you do not agree with them.

Prague

pre 11 godina

Greeting from Prague.
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=17&nav_category=640&nav_id=687738
Kosovo is Serbia, always was. always will be, in spite of the wishes of world powers.

trizo

pre 11 godina

Exporting terrorists & heroin throughout Europe is nothing to celebrate.

Stealing others' property & mass breeding is nothing to celebrate.

Burning beautiful Serbian monasteries and desecrating Serbian graves is nothing to celebrate.

Celebrations for this will be short lived.

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@ My background is anti-Pakistani:

What exactly do you mean when you say China is Pakistan's boss?? Last I recall Pakistan is a sovereign nation so as far as I'm concerned there are certain things China cannot tell Pakistan what to do.

Since I noticed you used the term 'Paki' my question to you is are you using that term to be hilarious or to be racist? To be honest with you since you identify your background as 'anti-Pakistani' I have to wonder if you're trying to sound racist.

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

Regardless of Kosovo status, Kosovo is common land of Serbs and Albanians. If one of K. main communities - Serbian - doesn't see UDI as a holiday, Kosovo administration shouldn't make this day official holiday.

Albanians could just exchange small triffles as gifts and wish "Happy UDI" to each other.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.
(My background is anti-Pakistani, 17 February 2013 19:17)

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?

moris

pre 11 godina

FOr the frenchman I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. I hope Serbia and Kosovo can in fine live in peace very soon as good neighbour. Study their history frenchman they always had to fight agressors. This time the NATO bombs were too high and they were afraid to send the GI s. An unfair war.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

this is what those opposed to Kosova's independence have to live with; all the worst things written here about Kosova could well be true, it is still infinitely better than it ever was at ANY point when Serbia had control.

happy fifth anniversary Kosova

Yessaul

pre 11 godina

Leaving behind only desperate serbs, that sing depressing songs through blogs.
(Adem Jashari, 17 February 2013 15:10)

The winters are very cold recently and that trend will continue for a while. Just be a nice, good-paying customer. You may march and sing - as long as you behave that's OK. You don't need visa to come and beg for more heat, just use the politically correct passport... not the garbage you use to look at and grow your d-c-k in exitement, that piece of paper won't work ;)

My background is anti-Pakistani

pre 11 godina

Congratulations Kosovo and happy 5th anniversary with regards to Kosovo's declaration of independence.
(My background is Pakistani, 17 February 2013 16:25)

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@My background is anti-Pakistani:

First of all it appears your implying that China is a parent country to Pakistan and if you know your history prior to Aug 14,1947 that all that land was India and it was a colony of Great Britain.But either way you look at it Pakistan is a sovereign nation.

My other question to you is when you used the term 'Paki' are you trying to be hilarious or are you trying to be racist? To be honest with you judging by the name you're using I would interpret you as being racist.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

It is very interesting to distinguish Kosovo's will in more integration in Europe and at the same time Serbia's will not "to loose" (which is de facto the case) Kosovo .. 2 different futures .. I have followed the whole Yugoslav conflicts for years I am still surprised about how little in the ideology Serbia has weakened its nationalistic views on Kosovo and elsewhere .. many congratulations to this young nation Kosovo and can only hope for Serbia's political "elite" to restrain from mirages and opportunisms .. Serbia's future lays in Europe and not in between .. Serbia should decide which ways it wants to follow .. a solid country with stable economy or the choice if yesterday .. Russia's spectrum with its mafia controlled economy and power .. I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. (Pluto, 17 February 2013 17:07)

YOu europeans dont want Serbia in europe and we dont want to be a part of your Europe, simple as that. You have shown on numerous occasions that you dont want serbia to be a part of eu. Serbia has done more than any other eu state to get a date for talks of entering the eu, but yet you keep coming with new demands all the time. Fortunately your actions have turned a proeu opinion to an antieu and thats just as good. Just look at Spain and Greece, they are really happy eu members right?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Congratulations, Kosovo! Many things have been achieved in the last five years. The most important achievement was Kosovo becoming Europe's main drug hub! All the mafia clans in Kosovo worked hard on this common goal! Another achievement has been becoming Europe's most corrupt state, together with Moldova. Unfortunately, last year, Kosovo lost his position, now this honor goes to Albania.

roberto

pre 11 godina

What a wonderful day! Happy Independence Day to the ppl of Kosovo - this is your July 4th. Enjoy and celebrate! we will persevere...

roberto frisco

Asteri

pre 11 godina

Recognitions do not make a country a 'real' plenty of fake nations have UN recognition such as, Andorra, FYROM, Moldova, Jordan and most of Africa. These are not real countries, they are invented and depend on other countries to survive. What defines a nation something more, it is identity, sovereignty, history and culture all things 'Kosova' has non of. It is not a real country, its a non-viable failed statelet, if Serbia recognised it tomorrow it wouldn't change that - nothing would. It exists only at the pleasure of the west for as long as they keep their interest, without them the game is up - its over! Where would it be without them to pump endless funds into propping it up? by the end of this century it will be long gone.

Pluto

pre 11 godina

It is very interesting to distinguish Kosovo's will in more integration in Europe and at the same time Serbia's will not "to loose" (which is de facto the case) Kosovo .. 2 different futures .. I have followed the whole Yugoslav conflicts for years I am still surprised about how little in the ideology Serbia has weakened its nationalistic views on Kosovo and elsewhere .. many congratulations to this young nation Kosovo and can only hope for Serbia's political "elite" to restrain from mirages and opportunisms .. Serbia's future lays in Europe and not in between .. Serbia should decide which ways it wants to follow .. a solid country with stable economy or the choice if yesterday .. Russia's spectrum with its mafia controlled economy and power .. I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. I hope Serbia and Kosovo can in fine live in peace very soon as good neighbour.

Milan

pre 11 godina

"“The Republic of Kosovo adheres to the policy of good neighborly relations. We respect integrity and sovereignty of all other states,” she added."

Saying one thing and doing the opposite are two different things. Respect the integrity and sovereignty of your country (Serbia) like the Kosovo Serbs do. Until "Kosova" (good forbid I will ever live that day) becomes a UN member (which will NEVER happen because of Russian and Chinese vetoes, they own Serbia a lot by getting stealth technology when that NATO plane was shot down) the Kosovo Serbs have all the right to declare independence from "Kosova" and join Serbia or even Republika Srpska (technically they could declare independence from Serbia now and join Republika Srpska today if that would be a solution to get out of the current Albanian/Muslim nightmare). Personally I am supporting getting rid of the Albanians in all of Serbia by doing fair land swaps so both groups will be separated forever. This includes full control of all Serbian enclaves and historic plus holy sites (monasteries, Kosovo Polje, and so on). Northern Kosovo was another gift/creation of Tito and so this can never be part of any deal. Anyway, The West has to accomplish many more regime changes for the new "Kosova" (Kosovo is a Serbian word) recognitions are all because of those (Egypt, Lybia). Turning secular Muslim nations into Islamic nations, good job and you will bear the rotten fruits of that in the future.

pss

pre 11 godina

America supports a free Kosovo!
Just remember one day we made a unilateral declaration of independence. It took us 7 years to make our constitution and set up a government.

Adem Jashari

pre 11 godina

How pitiful is for the Serbs.Do you remember a Japanese (some years ago), an old man, he still did'nt know that the Second World War has been ended.No matter who acknowledged Kosova yesterday, not today, nor tomorrow.Importance has only one thing, that serbia has died once and for all in Kosova.Leaving behind only desperate serbs, that sing depressing songs through blogs.

icj1

pre 11 godina

No 100 recognition's promised my Thaci in the first year of the UDI
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, nothing strange here. All politicians overpromise. But at least he finally achieved it after 5 years. Better late than never.
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No UN membership
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, Kosovo did not and will not have UN memberhip by being a part of Serbia. So what's your point ?!
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No recognition from Serbia (although its politicians are working overtime to try to make that a reality, but it will be to no avail)
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

That's Serbia's business and, in any case, like the UN membership, Kosovo was not and will not be recognized by Serbia if Kosovo were to be a part of Serbia. So, not sure what your point is !
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Rampant corruption
Dire poverty
Clan based Cleptocracy
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

All things that we see in Serbia every day so Kosovo being a part of Serbia would not have helped with any of the above.
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^^Is there anything to celebrate?
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Yes, being independent from Serbia and Serbia not controlling Kosovo and the Serbian army and police not being in Kosovo. Say, Kosovo had 1000 problems when it was under Serbia. Now it has 999 (i.e. 1000 minus the Serbia problem). So it is progress. I know Serbs are maximalists and would prefer to achieve nothing until they achieve everything, and that's why they achieve nothing :)

icj1

pre 11 godina

Kosovo i Metohija remains not only the poorest and most corrupt part of Serbia (which says a lot) but also of the rest of the Balkans. But that wont stop the hyenas from "wishing kosovo a happy independence"...although there is nothing happy about that place at all, even for the Albanians living there.
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, the point is that Albaians are happier then when they were under Serbia. Sure, they have not achieved absolute hapiness but, I'm sure, they appreciate your concern for their happiness.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

How come no protests in Belgrade?

I thought Serbs in Belgrade really care about this issue. That's what some Australian and UK teenagers told me

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

Dear pro-independence Kosovars:

Oh wow it's now been 5 years since you declared sovereignty.Since today is a momentous day for you it's therefore your special day so celebrate it the way you know how.Happy 5th anniversary to pro independence Kosovars who reside in Kosovo and for those who reside abroad.

Fluid

pre 11 godina

Ari Gold wrote:

"The entire population in Kosovo i Metohija will fair much better whenever the occupation is lifted and rule of law can finally be re-established."

What population are you talking about? The population of Kosova is doing much better than from 1987 to 1999, during Serbia's attempted reoccupation.

If you define "entire population" as the residents of Northern Mitrovica only, I agree, they are in a ghetto run by thugs and mobs and will continue to be worse off. Once they recognize the legal institutions of Kosova, (derived from UNSC 1244, on which Ahtisaari's proposal is based on), they will be able to get out of their agony.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

5 years on and still:

No 100 recognition's promised my Thaci in the first year of the UDI
No UN membership
No recognition from Serbia (although its politicians are working overtime to try to make that a reality, but it will be to no avail)
Rampant corruption
Dire poverty
Clan based Cleptocracy

^^Is there anything to celebrate? Kosovo i Metohija remains not only the poorest and most corrupt part of Serbia (which says a lot) but also of the rest of the Balkans. But that wont stop the hyenas from "wishing kosovo a happy independence"...although there is nothing happy about that place at all, even for the Albanians living there.

The entire population in Kosovo i Metohija will fair much better whenever the occupation is lifted and rule of law can finally be re-established.

Nicija nije gorela do zore!

CH

pre 11 godina

Well, recognition from Egypt just arrived. Libya, Iraq and Tunisia will follow. Syria will follow after Assad's fall. The number is growing.

CH

pre 11 godina

Well, recognition from Egypt just arrived. Libya, Iraq and Tunisia will follow. Syria will follow after Assad's fall. The number is growing.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

Dear pro-independence Kosovars:

Oh wow it's now been 5 years since you declared sovereignty.Since today is a momentous day for you it's therefore your special day so celebrate it the way you know how.Happy 5th anniversary to pro independence Kosovars who reside in Kosovo and for those who reside abroad.

Adem Jashari

pre 11 godina

How pitiful is for the Serbs.Do you remember a Japanese (some years ago), an old man, he still did'nt know that the Second World War has been ended.No matter who acknowledged Kosova yesterday, not today, nor tomorrow.Importance has only one thing, that serbia has died once and for all in Kosova.Leaving behind only desperate serbs, that sing depressing songs through blogs.

Fluid

pre 11 godina

Ari Gold wrote:

"The entire population in Kosovo i Metohija will fair much better whenever the occupation is lifted and rule of law can finally be re-established."

What population are you talking about? The population of Kosova is doing much better than from 1987 to 1999, during Serbia's attempted reoccupation.

If you define "entire population" as the residents of Northern Mitrovica only, I agree, they are in a ghetto run by thugs and mobs and will continue to be worse off. Once they recognize the legal institutions of Kosova, (derived from UNSC 1244, on which Ahtisaari's proposal is based on), they will be able to get out of their agony.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

How come no protests in Belgrade?

I thought Serbs in Belgrade really care about this issue. That's what some Australian and UK teenagers told me

icj1

pre 11 godina

Kosovo i Metohija remains not only the poorest and most corrupt part of Serbia (which says a lot) but also of the rest of the Balkans. But that wont stop the hyenas from "wishing kosovo a happy independence"...although there is nothing happy about that place at all, even for the Albanians living there.
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, the point is that Albaians are happier then when they were under Serbia. Sure, they have not achieved absolute hapiness but, I'm sure, they appreciate your concern for their happiness.

icj1

pre 11 godina

No 100 recognition's promised my Thaci in the first year of the UDI
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, nothing strange here. All politicians overpromise. But at least he finally achieved it after 5 years. Better late than never.
----------

No UN membership
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, Kosovo did not and will not have UN memberhip by being a part of Serbia. So what's your point ?!
----------

No recognition from Serbia (although its politicians are working overtime to try to make that a reality, but it will be to no avail)
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

That's Serbia's business and, in any case, like the UN membership, Kosovo was not and will not be recognized by Serbia if Kosovo were to be a part of Serbia. So, not sure what your point is !
----------

Rampant corruption
Dire poverty
Clan based Cleptocracy
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

All things that we see in Serbia every day so Kosovo being a part of Serbia would not have helped with any of the above.
----------

^^Is there anything to celebrate?
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Yes, being independent from Serbia and Serbia not controlling Kosovo and the Serbian army and police not being in Kosovo. Say, Kosovo had 1000 problems when it was under Serbia. Now it has 999 (i.e. 1000 minus the Serbia problem). So it is progress. I know Serbs are maximalists and would prefer to achieve nothing until they achieve everything, and that's why they achieve nothing :)

roberto

pre 11 godina

What a wonderful day! Happy Independence Day to the ppl of Kosovo - this is your July 4th. Enjoy and celebrate! we will persevere...

roberto frisco

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

5 years on and still:

No 100 recognition's promised my Thaci in the first year of the UDI
No UN membership
No recognition from Serbia (although its politicians are working overtime to try to make that a reality, but it will be to no avail)
Rampant corruption
Dire poverty
Clan based Cleptocracy

^^Is there anything to celebrate? Kosovo i Metohija remains not only the poorest and most corrupt part of Serbia (which says a lot) but also of the rest of the Balkans. But that wont stop the hyenas from "wishing kosovo a happy independence"...although there is nothing happy about that place at all, even for the Albanians living there.

The entire population in Kosovo i Metohija will fair much better whenever the occupation is lifted and rule of law can finally be re-established.

Nicija nije gorela do zore!

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.
(My background is anti-Pakistani, 17 February 2013 19:17)

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Congratulations, Kosovo! Many things have been achieved in the last five years. The most important achievement was Kosovo becoming Europe's main drug hub! All the mafia clans in Kosovo worked hard on this common goal! Another achievement has been becoming Europe's most corrupt state, together with Moldova. Unfortunately, last year, Kosovo lost his position, now this honor goes to Albania.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

this is what those opposed to Kosova's independence have to live with; all the worst things written here about Kosova could well be true, it is still infinitely better than it ever was at ANY point when Serbia had control.

happy fifth anniversary Kosova

trizo

pre 11 godina

Exporting terrorists & heroin throughout Europe is nothing to celebrate.

Stealing others' property & mass breeding is nothing to celebrate.

Burning beautiful Serbian monasteries and desecrating Serbian graves is nothing to celebrate.

Celebrations for this will be short lived.

pss

pre 11 godina

America supports a free Kosovo!
Just remember one day we made a unilateral declaration of independence. It took us 7 years to make our constitution and set up a government.

Pluto

pre 11 godina

It is very interesting to distinguish Kosovo's will in more integration in Europe and at the same time Serbia's will not "to loose" (which is de facto the case) Kosovo .. 2 different futures .. I have followed the whole Yugoslav conflicts for years I am still surprised about how little in the ideology Serbia has weakened its nationalistic views on Kosovo and elsewhere .. many congratulations to this young nation Kosovo and can only hope for Serbia's political "elite" to restrain from mirages and opportunisms .. Serbia's future lays in Europe and not in between .. Serbia should decide which ways it wants to follow .. a solid country with stable economy or the choice if yesterday .. Russia's spectrum with its mafia controlled economy and power .. I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. I hope Serbia and Kosovo can in fine live in peace very soon as good neighbour.

Milan

pre 11 godina

"“The Republic of Kosovo adheres to the policy of good neighborly relations. We respect integrity and sovereignty of all other states,” she added."

Saying one thing and doing the opposite are two different things. Respect the integrity and sovereignty of your country (Serbia) like the Kosovo Serbs do. Until "Kosova" (good forbid I will ever live that day) becomes a UN member (which will NEVER happen because of Russian and Chinese vetoes, they own Serbia a lot by getting stealth technology when that NATO plane was shot down) the Kosovo Serbs have all the right to declare independence from "Kosova" and join Serbia or even Republika Srpska (technically they could declare independence from Serbia now and join Republika Srpska today if that would be a solution to get out of the current Albanian/Muslim nightmare). Personally I am supporting getting rid of the Albanians in all of Serbia by doing fair land swaps so both groups will be separated forever. This includes full control of all Serbian enclaves and historic plus holy sites (monasteries, Kosovo Polje, and so on). Northern Kosovo was another gift/creation of Tito and so this can never be part of any deal. Anyway, The West has to accomplish many more regime changes for the new "Kosova" (Kosovo is a Serbian word) recognitions are all because of those (Egypt, Lybia). Turning secular Muslim nations into Islamic nations, good job and you will bear the rotten fruits of that in the future.

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@ My background is anti-Pakistani:

What exactly do you mean when you say China is Pakistan's boss?? Last I recall Pakistan is a sovereign nation so as far as I'm concerned there are certain things China cannot tell Pakistan what to do.

Since I noticed you used the term 'Paki' my question to you is are you using that term to be hilarious or to be racist? To be honest with you since you identify your background as 'anti-Pakistani' I have to wonder if you're trying to sound racist.

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@My background is anti-Pakistani:

First of all it appears your implying that China is a parent country to Pakistan and if you know your history prior to Aug 14,1947 that all that land was India and it was a colony of Great Britain.But either way you look at it Pakistan is a sovereign nation.

My other question to you is when you used the term 'Paki' are you trying to be hilarious or are you trying to be racist? To be honest with you judging by the name you're using I would interpret you as being racist.

My background is anti-Pakistani

pre 11 godina

Congratulations Kosovo and happy 5th anniversary with regards to Kosovo's declaration of independence.
(My background is Pakistani, 17 February 2013 16:25)

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.

Tex

pre 11 godina

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.
(My background is anti-Pakistani, 17 February 2013 19:17)

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)

Get real for once Ian! Where the hell do you see vile and racist language in that above comment? Pakis??
Go lecture carrot-top and tell him not to use the term Paki on TV and see what he says. As far as I'm concerned, Paki is a nice, warm and friendly shortcut to Pakistani. It's like Albos for Albanians or like Yanks for Yankees.
In what kind of a boring, dry, pretentious and politically non-smoking correct dream world would you like to live in today?? lol

Asteri

pre 11 godina

Recognitions do not make a country a 'real' plenty of fake nations have UN recognition such as, Andorra, FYROM, Moldova, Jordan and most of Africa. These are not real countries, they are invented and depend on other countries to survive. What defines a nation something more, it is identity, sovereignty, history and culture all things 'Kosova' has non of. It is not a real country, its a non-viable failed statelet, if Serbia recognised it tomorrow it wouldn't change that - nothing would. It exists only at the pleasure of the west for as long as they keep their interest, without them the game is up - its over! Where would it be without them to pump endless funds into propping it up? by the end of this century it will be long gone.

Prague

pre 11 godina

Greeting from Prague.
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=17&nav_category=640&nav_id=687738
Kosovo is Serbia, always was. always will be, in spite of the wishes of world powers.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)
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Oh Ian, you have never complained when Albanians got into the swing of things.
So much venom from the Albanian side and not once you complained.
Wonder why.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

It is very interesting to distinguish Kosovo's will in more integration in Europe and at the same time Serbia's will not "to loose" (which is de facto the case) Kosovo .. 2 different futures .. I have followed the whole Yugoslav conflicts for years I am still surprised about how little in the ideology Serbia has weakened its nationalistic views on Kosovo and elsewhere .. many congratulations to this young nation Kosovo and can only hope for Serbia's political "elite" to restrain from mirages and opportunisms .. Serbia's future lays in Europe and not in between .. Serbia should decide which ways it wants to follow .. a solid country with stable economy or the choice if yesterday .. Russia's spectrum with its mafia controlled economy and power .. I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. (Pluto, 17 February 2013 17:07)

YOu europeans dont want Serbia in europe and we dont want to be a part of your Europe, simple as that. You have shown on numerous occasions that you dont want serbia to be a part of eu. Serbia has done more than any other eu state to get a date for talks of entering the eu, but yet you keep coming with new demands all the time. Fortunately your actions have turned a proeu opinion to an antieu and thats just as good. Just look at Spain and Greece, they are really happy eu members right?

moris

pre 11 godina

FOr the frenchman I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. I hope Serbia and Kosovo can in fine live in peace very soon as good neighbour. Study their history frenchman they always had to fight agressors. This time the NATO bombs were too high and they were afraid to send the GI s. An unfair war.

Bl

pre 11 godina

I think that Serbia / her citizens should be more realistic in their comments. Keep in mind that Kosovo has experienced many tragedies during the period 1998 - 1999 and this fact can not be denied because it has happened in modern times. Enough with the sentence "Kosovo is Serbia" because it sounds pathetic. Serbia is not a good example to denounce the development of the state of Kosovo. As you're waiting for EU membership.

Nic

pre 11 godina

I must admit I like reading the b92 website, it seems to be very fair and impartial, and it seems to operate in the realm of reality.

Reading some of the comments really make me wonder, I know only 1% of people actually may comment, but still, living in 2013 and after Serbia did what it did not just to the Albanian people in Kosova, but Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia and elsewhere, how on earth can people still actually believe that Serbia is a righteous nation. To be honest, I'd be happy that Serbia was allowed to exist after all of the massive calculated institution run programs of mass extermination for the past 100 or more years.

Please, thank the world for saying "ok you did what you did, now you have a chance to prove yourself!", instead of totally cutting up your nation and or turning it into another Germany or Japan post WWII which was strictly controlled by the West for decades.

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!

a New Day

pre 11 godina

Daniel, 18 February 2013 13:15)
You keep wondering why Albanians never mention the organ harvesting crimes committed on Serbs. The very reason it is not mentioned by anyone but Serbs is no one has presented anything but rumors that such crimes were committed. Until there is some proof on the table (other than the Serb prosecutor saying in the press "new evidence has been discovered") you will never get anyone to say that these crimes happened.
After Dick Marty said that the atroceities committed by Serbs on the Albanian people in Kosovo is well documented and cannot be called into question. But daily you and others claim on here that they did not. If you can deny proven crimes, certainly the Albanians can deny UNproven crimes.

Yessaul

pre 11 godina

Leaving behind only desperate serbs, that sing depressing songs through blogs.
(Adem Jashari, 17 February 2013 15:10)

The winters are very cold recently and that trend will continue for a while. Just be a nice, good-paying customer. You may march and sing - as long as you behave that's OK. You don't need visa to come and beg for more heat, just use the politically correct passport... not the garbage you use to look at and grow your d-c-k in exitement, that piece of paper won't work ;)

winston

pre 11 godina

Ian, if anyone should be censored on B92, it's you, with your daily anti-Serb rants. You are very insulting, yet B92 gives you the freedom to express yourself. Respect it with others, even if you do not agree with them.

Asteri

pre 11 godina

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)

Why indeed, in fact why are you still here?

Hey, everyone lets not forget that it is an important anniversary - to day is the independence day of Gambia. Congratulations!

Yessaul

pre 11 godina

Daniel, slaughtering 40,000 innocent Hungarian civilians in 1944 was also part of your "proud" history?
(Joe, 18 February 2013 15:43)

If that number would be 10M instead of 40K - than there would be no need for me to buy a paint tomorrow to decorate the Zero Km stone next to Lánchíd.

Milan

pre 11 godina

"99 - Serbia = 0
(masterzoran, 17 February 2013 17:24)"

Ha ha ha, good one Zoran! Unfortunately the math is probably too complex for the average Albanian visitor.

Simot

pre 11 godina

Haha look at the albanians "Thank you (insert country name that had its government overthrown by islamist extremist warriors) for overthrowing your government, installing sharia, oppressing your people and recognising kosovo."

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@Tex:

Regarding the slur 'Paki' in actuality and I suppose depending on the text that some Pakistanis regard that slur as being derogatory while some others simply regard it as being short for Pakistani,also, even though this article ain't pertaining to Japan I thought I'd just point out that the term 'Jap' and 'Nip' is considered derogatory among the Japanese or most Japanese.

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

Regardless of Kosovo status, Kosovo is common land of Serbs and Albanians. If one of K. main communities - Serbian - doesn't see UDI as a holiday, Kosovo administration shouldn't make this day official holiday.

Albanians could just exchange small triffles as gifts and wish "Happy UDI" to each other.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Exporting terrorists & heroin throughout Europe is nothing to celebrate.
Stealing others' property & mass breeding is nothing to celebrate.
Burning beautiful Serbian monasteries and desecrating Serbian graves is nothing to celebrate.
Celebrations for this will be short lived.
(trizo, 17 February 2013 23:25)

Actually celebrations about those things never happened... so nothing for you to worry about :)

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Say, Kosovo had 1000 problems when it was under Serbia. Now it has 999 (i.e. 1000 minus the Serbia problem). So it is progress. "
(icj1, 17 February 2013 14:50)

Wow, finally realistic view on the progress Kosovo made, coming from an Albanian. But still, solving none of the 999 other problems in 5 years is nothing to celebrate.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Reading some of the comments really make me wonder, I know only 1% of people actually may comment, but still, living in 2013 and after Serbia did what it did not just to the Albanian people in Kosova, but Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia and elsewhere, how on earth can people still actually believe that Serbia is a righteous nation. To be honest, I'd be happy that Serbia was allowed to exist after all of the massive calculated institution run programs of mass extermination for the past 100 or more years.

Why dont u mention the atrocities committed upon serbs in bosnia, croatia and kosovo?Why dont you mention that 250 000 serbs were expelled only from croatia?Why dont you mention that 80 000 serb civilians were killed in bosnia?Why dont you mention the churchburning, gravedesecrating, organharvesting committed by the albanians in Kosovo. Need I remind you that the slovenes started the war by illegaly voting for a independence from SFRJ which was opposed to the ustav of the SFRJ?I was born in the SFRJ and yet you want to come here and lecture me of who committed what in my own country??You only know what CNN taught you, and that is nothing.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!
(Nic, 18 February 2013 12:11)

Serbia has a very very bright and PROUD history, unlike the albanians and the croats that 100%sided with the nazis during ww2. Serbia has always been on the side of the antifasists and always fought oppressors and conquerers like the turks and the germans. You should tell the albanians and the croats to apologize for their violent, barbaric and murderous history of killing serbs while siding with the nazis.

ben

pre 11 godina

(Ivan,Bulgaria, 17 February 2013 19:58)

there is a clear trend there Ivan ;) thanks and all the best to you and everyone else in Bulgaria.

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Just remember one day we made a unilateral declaration of independence. It took us 7 years to make our constitution and set up a government."
(pss, 17 February 2013 17:07)

And how many more decades will it take 'you' to become a respected, democratic state that shares European values and honors human rights and get rid of the mafia clans you call 'government'?

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Please, thank the world for saying "ok you did what you did, now you have a chance to prove yourself!", instead of totally cutting up your nation and or turning it into another Germany or Japan post WWII which was strictly controlled by the West for decades.

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!
(Nic, 18 February 2013 12:11)

Who has serbia mass exterminated the last 100 years?You must be talking about the croats that slaughtered more than 750 000 serbs at Jasenovac during ww2. 750 000 only at Jasenovac, and yet you dont tell the croats to apologize for their violent past?With your logic Germany should not exist today because of all the atrocities the german people committed upon jews, serbs and others.

Why should serbs apologize for the crimes they committed when noone has ever apologized for the crimes committed upon the serb people which are thousand times worse?We will never ever apologize for anything, but I do know that albanians and other hypocrites like yourself would really like that.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Daniel, slaughtering 40,000 innocent Hungarian civilians in 1944 was also part of your "proud" history?
(Joe, 18 February 2013 15:43)

Of course it is, that was only a small payback for what they did to us during ww1, and by the way those "civilians"fought alongside the nazis and were killed by the JNA made up of serbs, croats, macedonians, bosniaks etc etc.

Joe

pre 11 godina

Daniel, If I a correct there was no JNA yet at that time. As for your explanation it is the usual discredited propaganda line. Following the events in Kosovo for years I am glad that it is payback time for your crimes. I hope it will last for years until no serb is left in Kosovo.

icj1

pre 11 godina

"99 - Serbia = 0
(masterzoran, 17 February 2013 17:24)"

Ha ha ha, good one Zoran! Unfortunately the math is probably too complex for the average Albanian visitor.
(Milan, 18 February 2013 02:02)

It is indeed, because the above would mean that Serbia = 99 countries (applying the normal interpretation of arithmetic notations; not sure if they are the same in Serbia as in the rest of the world).

99 - Serbia = 0
(add "Serbia" on both sides of the equality)
99 - Serbia + Serbia = 0 + Serbia
(Serbia cancels out on the left side and the 0 cancels out on the right side)
99 = Serbia
(using the symmetric property of equality)
Serbia = 99

Now, whether Serbia is equal to 99 other countries, that is a matter open to interpretation. For somebody suffering from megalomania it is and that is perfectly understandable.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

5 years on and still:

No 100 recognition's promised my Thaci in the first year of the UDI
No UN membership
No recognition from Serbia (although its politicians are working overtime to try to make that a reality, but it will be to no avail)
Rampant corruption
Dire poverty
Clan based Cleptocracy

^^Is there anything to celebrate? Kosovo i Metohija remains not only the poorest and most corrupt part of Serbia (which says a lot) but also of the rest of the Balkans. But that wont stop the hyenas from "wishing kosovo a happy independence"...although there is nothing happy about that place at all, even for the Albanians living there.

The entire population in Kosovo i Metohija will fair much better whenever the occupation is lifted and rule of law can finally be re-established.

Nicija nije gorela do zore!

CH

pre 11 godina

Well, recognition from Egypt just arrived. Libya, Iraq and Tunisia will follow. Syria will follow after Assad's fall. The number is growing.

Asteri

pre 11 godina

Recognitions do not make a country a 'real' plenty of fake nations have UN recognition such as, Andorra, FYROM, Moldova, Jordan and most of Africa. These are not real countries, they are invented and depend on other countries to survive. What defines a nation something more, it is identity, sovereignty, history and culture all things 'Kosova' has non of. It is not a real country, its a non-viable failed statelet, if Serbia recognised it tomorrow it wouldn't change that - nothing would. It exists only at the pleasure of the west for as long as they keep their interest, without them the game is up - its over! Where would it be without them to pump endless funds into propping it up? by the end of this century it will be long gone.

My background is anti-Pakistani

pre 11 godina

Congratulations Kosovo and happy 5th anniversary with regards to Kosovo's declaration of independence.
(My background is Pakistani, 17 February 2013 16:25)

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

How come no protests in Belgrade?

I thought Serbs in Belgrade really care about this issue. That's what some Australian and UK teenagers told me

Milan

pre 11 godina

"“The Republic of Kosovo adheres to the policy of good neighborly relations. We respect integrity and sovereignty of all other states,” she added."

Saying one thing and doing the opposite are two different things. Respect the integrity and sovereignty of your country (Serbia) like the Kosovo Serbs do. Until "Kosova" (good forbid I will ever live that day) becomes a UN member (which will NEVER happen because of Russian and Chinese vetoes, they own Serbia a lot by getting stealth technology when that NATO plane was shot down) the Kosovo Serbs have all the right to declare independence from "Kosova" and join Serbia or even Republika Srpska (technically they could declare independence from Serbia now and join Republika Srpska today if that would be a solution to get out of the current Albanian/Muslim nightmare). Personally I am supporting getting rid of the Albanians in all of Serbia by doing fair land swaps so both groups will be separated forever. This includes full control of all Serbian enclaves and historic plus holy sites (monasteries, Kosovo Polje, and so on). Northern Kosovo was another gift/creation of Tito and so this can never be part of any deal. Anyway, The West has to accomplish many more regime changes for the new "Kosova" (Kosovo is a Serbian word) recognitions are all because of those (Egypt, Lybia). Turning secular Muslim nations into Islamic nations, good job and you will bear the rotten fruits of that in the future.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Congratulations, Kosovo! Many things have been achieved in the last five years. The most important achievement was Kosovo becoming Europe's main drug hub! All the mafia clans in Kosovo worked hard on this common goal! Another achievement has been becoming Europe's most corrupt state, together with Moldova. Unfortunately, last year, Kosovo lost his position, now this honor goes to Albania.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

Dear pro-independence Kosovars:

Oh wow it's now been 5 years since you declared sovereignty.Since today is a momentous day for you it's therefore your special day so celebrate it the way you know how.Happy 5th anniversary to pro independence Kosovars who reside in Kosovo and for those who reside abroad.

trizo

pre 11 godina

Exporting terrorists & heroin throughout Europe is nothing to celebrate.

Stealing others' property & mass breeding is nothing to celebrate.

Burning beautiful Serbian monasteries and desecrating Serbian graves is nothing to celebrate.

Celebrations for this will be short lived.

Adem Jashari

pre 11 godina

How pitiful is for the Serbs.Do you remember a Japanese (some years ago), an old man, he still did'nt know that the Second World War has been ended.No matter who acknowledged Kosova yesterday, not today, nor tomorrow.Importance has only one thing, that serbia has died once and for all in Kosova.Leaving behind only desperate serbs, that sing depressing songs through blogs.

roberto

pre 11 godina

What a wonderful day! Happy Independence Day to the ppl of Kosovo - this is your July 4th. Enjoy and celebrate! we will persevere...

roberto frisco

Fluid

pre 11 godina

Ari Gold wrote:

"The entire population in Kosovo i Metohija will fair much better whenever the occupation is lifted and rule of law can finally be re-established."

What population are you talking about? The population of Kosova is doing much better than from 1987 to 1999, during Serbia's attempted reoccupation.

If you define "entire population" as the residents of Northern Mitrovica only, I agree, they are in a ghetto run by thugs and mobs and will continue to be worse off. Once they recognize the legal institutions of Kosova, (derived from UNSC 1244, on which Ahtisaari's proposal is based on), they will be able to get out of their agony.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Kosovo i Metohija remains not only the poorest and most corrupt part of Serbia (which says a lot) but also of the rest of the Balkans. But that wont stop the hyenas from "wishing kosovo a happy independence"...although there is nothing happy about that place at all, even for the Albanians living there.
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, the point is that Albaians are happier then when they were under Serbia. Sure, they have not achieved absolute hapiness but, I'm sure, they appreciate your concern for their happiness.

Yessaul

pre 11 godina

Leaving behind only desperate serbs, that sing depressing songs through blogs.
(Adem Jashari, 17 February 2013 15:10)

The winters are very cold recently and that trend will continue for a while. Just be a nice, good-paying customer. You may march and sing - as long as you behave that's OK. You don't need visa to come and beg for more heat, just use the politically correct passport... not the garbage you use to look at and grow your d-c-k in exitement, that piece of paper won't work ;)

pss

pre 11 godina

America supports a free Kosovo!
Just remember one day we made a unilateral declaration of independence. It took us 7 years to make our constitution and set up a government.

Simot

pre 11 godina

Haha look at the albanians "Thank you (insert country name that had its government overthrown by islamist extremist warriors) for overthrowing your government, installing sharia, oppressing your people and recognising kosovo."

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.
(My background is anti-Pakistani, 17 February 2013 19:17)

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?

icj1

pre 11 godina

No 100 recognition's promised my Thaci in the first year of the UDI
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, nothing strange here. All politicians overpromise. But at least he finally achieved it after 5 years. Better late than never.
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No UN membership
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Well, Kosovo did not and will not have UN memberhip by being a part of Serbia. So what's your point ?!
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No recognition from Serbia (although its politicians are working overtime to try to make that a reality, but it will be to no avail)
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

That's Serbia's business and, in any case, like the UN membership, Kosovo was not and will not be recognized by Serbia if Kosovo were to be a part of Serbia. So, not sure what your point is !
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Rampant corruption
Dire poverty
Clan based Cleptocracy
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

All things that we see in Serbia every day so Kosovo being a part of Serbia would not have helped with any of the above.
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^^Is there anything to celebrate?
(Ari Gold, 17 February 2013 12:19)

Yes, being independent from Serbia and Serbia not controlling Kosovo and the Serbian army and police not being in Kosovo. Say, Kosovo had 1000 problems when it was under Serbia. Now it has 999 (i.e. 1000 minus the Serbia problem). So it is progress. I know Serbs are maximalists and would prefer to achieve nothing until they achieve everything, and that's why they achieve nothing :)

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Reading some of the comments really make me wonder, I know only 1% of people actually may comment, but still, living in 2013 and after Serbia did what it did not just to the Albanian people in Kosova, but Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia and elsewhere, how on earth can people still actually believe that Serbia is a righteous nation. To be honest, I'd be happy that Serbia was allowed to exist after all of the massive calculated institution run programs of mass extermination for the past 100 or more years.

Why dont u mention the atrocities committed upon serbs in bosnia, croatia and kosovo?Why dont you mention that 250 000 serbs were expelled only from croatia?Why dont you mention that 80 000 serb civilians were killed in bosnia?Why dont you mention the churchburning, gravedesecrating, organharvesting committed by the albanians in Kosovo. Need I remind you that the slovenes started the war by illegaly voting for a independence from SFRJ which was opposed to the ustav of the SFRJ?I was born in the SFRJ and yet you want to come here and lecture me of who committed what in my own country??You only know what CNN taught you, and that is nothing.

Pluto

pre 11 godina

It is very interesting to distinguish Kosovo's will in more integration in Europe and at the same time Serbia's will not "to loose" (which is de facto the case) Kosovo .. 2 different futures .. I have followed the whole Yugoslav conflicts for years I am still surprised about how little in the ideology Serbia has weakened its nationalistic views on Kosovo and elsewhere .. many congratulations to this young nation Kosovo and can only hope for Serbia's political "elite" to restrain from mirages and opportunisms .. Serbia's future lays in Europe and not in between .. Serbia should decide which ways it wants to follow .. a solid country with stable economy or the choice if yesterday .. Russia's spectrum with its mafia controlled economy and power .. I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. I hope Serbia and Kosovo can in fine live in peace very soon as good neighbour.

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

Regardless of Kosovo status, Kosovo is common land of Serbs and Albanians. If one of K. main communities - Serbian - doesn't see UDI as a holiday, Kosovo administration shouldn't make this day official holiday.

Albanians could just exchange small triffles as gifts and wish "Happy UDI" to each other.

Prague

pre 11 godina

Greeting from Prague.
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=17&nav_category=640&nav_id=687738
Kosovo is Serbia, always was. always will be, in spite of the wishes of world powers.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!
(Nic, 18 February 2013 12:11)

Serbia has a very very bright and PROUD history, unlike the albanians and the croats that 100%sided with the nazis during ww2. Serbia has always been on the side of the antifasists and always fought oppressors and conquerers like the turks and the germans. You should tell the albanians and the croats to apologize for their violent, barbaric and murderous history of killing serbs while siding with the nazis.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

this is what those opposed to Kosova's independence have to live with; all the worst things written here about Kosova could well be true, it is still infinitely better than it ever was at ANY point when Serbia had control.

happy fifth anniversary Kosova

winston

pre 11 godina

Ian, if anyone should be censored on B92, it's you, with your daily anti-Serb rants. You are very insulting, yet B92 gives you the freedom to express yourself. Respect it with others, even if you do not agree with them.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)
=================================
Oh Ian, you have never complained when Albanians got into the swing of things.
So much venom from the Albanian side and not once you complained.
Wonder why.

Tex

pre 11 godina

Consult with your boss China first. They have other ideas about Kosovo. And grow your pride visiting Wagah, you need it because not much else Pakis do have.
(My background is anti-Pakistani, 17 February 2013 19:17)

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)

Get real for once Ian! Where the hell do you see vile and racist language in that above comment? Pakis??
Go lecture carrot-top and tell him not to use the term Paki on TV and see what he says. As far as I'm concerned, Paki is a nice, warm and friendly shortcut to Pakistani. It's like Albos for Albanians or like Yanks for Yankees.
In what kind of a boring, dry, pretentious and politically non-smoking correct dream world would you like to live in today?? lol

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Please, thank the world for saying "ok you did what you did, now you have a chance to prove yourself!", instead of totally cutting up your nation and or turning it into another Germany or Japan post WWII which was strictly controlled by the West for decades.

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!
(Nic, 18 February 2013 12:11)

Who has serbia mass exterminated the last 100 years?You must be talking about the croats that slaughtered more than 750 000 serbs at Jasenovac during ww2. 750 000 only at Jasenovac, and yet you dont tell the croats to apologize for their violent past?With your logic Germany should not exist today because of all the atrocities the german people committed upon jews, serbs and others.

Why should serbs apologize for the crimes they committed when noone has ever apologized for the crimes committed upon the serb people which are thousand times worse?We will never ever apologize for anything, but I do know that albanians and other hypocrites like yourself would really like that.

moris

pre 11 godina

FOr the frenchman I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. I hope Serbia and Kosovo can in fine live in peace very soon as good neighbour. Study their history frenchman they always had to fight agressors. This time the NATO bombs were too high and they were afraid to send the GI s. An unfair war.

Milan

pre 11 godina

"99 - Serbia = 0
(masterzoran, 17 February 2013 17:24)"

Ha ha ha, good one Zoran! Unfortunately the math is probably too complex for the average Albanian visitor.

ben

pre 11 godina

(Ivan,Bulgaria, 17 February 2013 19:58)

there is a clear trend there Ivan ;) thanks and all the best to you and everyone else in Bulgaria.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

It is very interesting to distinguish Kosovo's will in more integration in Europe and at the same time Serbia's will not "to loose" (which is de facto the case) Kosovo .. 2 different futures .. I have followed the whole Yugoslav conflicts for years I am still surprised about how little in the ideology Serbia has weakened its nationalistic views on Kosovo and elsewhere .. many congratulations to this young nation Kosovo and can only hope for Serbia's political "elite" to restrain from mirages and opportunisms .. Serbia's future lays in Europe and not in between .. Serbia should decide which ways it wants to follow .. a solid country with stable economy or the choice if yesterday .. Russia's spectrum with its mafia controlled economy and power .. I have never understood as a Frenchman why Serbia with so much capacities has always f.. up the last 20 years any real possibility to stand strong again ? .. (Pluto, 17 February 2013 17:07)

YOu europeans dont want Serbia in europe and we dont want to be a part of your Europe, simple as that. You have shown on numerous occasions that you dont want serbia to be a part of eu. Serbia has done more than any other eu state to get a date for talks of entering the eu, but yet you keep coming with new demands all the time. Fortunately your actions have turned a proeu opinion to an antieu and thats just as good. Just look at Spain and Greece, they are really happy eu members right?

Asteri

pre 11 godina

B92, why do you allow such foul, vile and racist language?
(Ian, UK, 17 February 2013 22:56)

Why indeed, in fact why are you still here?

Hey, everyone lets not forget that it is an important anniversary - to day is the independence day of Gambia. Congratulations!

icj1

pre 11 godina

Exporting terrorists & heroin throughout Europe is nothing to celebrate.
Stealing others' property & mass breeding is nothing to celebrate.
Burning beautiful Serbian monasteries and desecrating Serbian graves is nothing to celebrate.
Celebrations for this will be short lived.
(trizo, 17 February 2013 23:25)

Actually celebrations about those things never happened... so nothing for you to worry about :)

Bl

pre 11 godina

I think that Serbia / her citizens should be more realistic in their comments. Keep in mind that Kosovo has experienced many tragedies during the period 1998 - 1999 and this fact can not be denied because it has happened in modern times. Enough with the sentence "Kosovo is Serbia" because it sounds pathetic. Serbia is not a good example to denounce the development of the state of Kosovo. As you're waiting for EU membership.

Nic

pre 11 godina

I must admit I like reading the b92 website, it seems to be very fair and impartial, and it seems to operate in the realm of reality.

Reading some of the comments really make me wonder, I know only 1% of people actually may comment, but still, living in 2013 and after Serbia did what it did not just to the Albanian people in Kosova, but Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia and elsewhere, how on earth can people still actually believe that Serbia is a righteous nation. To be honest, I'd be happy that Serbia was allowed to exist after all of the massive calculated institution run programs of mass extermination for the past 100 or more years.

Please, thank the world for saying "ok you did what you did, now you have a chance to prove yourself!", instead of totally cutting up your nation and or turning it into another Germany or Japan post WWII which was strictly controlled by the West for decades.

Accept reality, learn from your very dark history of killing other people, move on and build yourself some credibility in the world!

Yessaul

pre 11 godina

Daniel, slaughtering 40,000 innocent Hungarian civilians in 1944 was also part of your "proud" history?
(Joe, 18 February 2013 15:43)

If that number would be 10M instead of 40K - than there would be no need for me to buy a paint tomorrow to decorate the Zero Km stone next to Lánchíd.

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Say, Kosovo had 1000 problems when it was under Serbia. Now it has 999 (i.e. 1000 minus the Serbia problem). So it is progress. "
(icj1, 17 February 2013 14:50)

Wow, finally realistic view on the progress Kosovo made, coming from an Albanian. But still, solving none of the 999 other problems in 5 years is nothing to celebrate.

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Just remember one day we made a unilateral declaration of independence. It took us 7 years to make our constitution and set up a government."
(pss, 17 February 2013 17:07)

And how many more decades will it take 'you' to become a respected, democratic state that shares European values and honors human rights and get rid of the mafia clans you call 'government'?

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@My background is anti-Pakistani:

First of all it appears your implying that China is a parent country to Pakistan and if you know your history prior to Aug 14,1947 that all that land was India and it was a colony of Great Britain.But either way you look at it Pakistan is a sovereign nation.

My other question to you is when you used the term 'Paki' are you trying to be hilarious or are you trying to be racist? To be honest with you judging by the name you're using I would interpret you as being racist.

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@ My background is anti-Pakistani:

What exactly do you mean when you say China is Pakistan's boss?? Last I recall Pakistan is a sovereign nation so as far as I'm concerned there are certain things China cannot tell Pakistan what to do.

Since I noticed you used the term 'Paki' my question to you is are you using that term to be hilarious or to be racist? To be honest with you since you identify your background as 'anti-Pakistani' I have to wonder if you're trying to sound racist.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Daniel, slaughtering 40,000 innocent Hungarian civilians in 1944 was also part of your "proud" history?
(Joe, 18 February 2013 15:43)

Of course it is, that was only a small payback for what they did to us during ww1, and by the way those "civilians"fought alongside the nazis and were killed by the JNA made up of serbs, croats, macedonians, bosniaks etc etc.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

Daniel, 18 February 2013 13:15)
You keep wondering why Albanians never mention the organ harvesting crimes committed on Serbs. The very reason it is not mentioned by anyone but Serbs is no one has presented anything but rumors that such crimes were committed. Until there is some proof on the table (other than the Serb prosecutor saying in the press "new evidence has been discovered") you will never get anyone to say that these crimes happened.
After Dick Marty said that the atroceities committed by Serbs on the Albanian people in Kosovo is well documented and cannot be called into question. But daily you and others claim on here that they did not. If you can deny proven crimes, certainly the Albanians can deny UNproven crimes.

My background is Pakistani

pre 11 godina

@Tex:

Regarding the slur 'Paki' in actuality and I suppose depending on the text that some Pakistanis regard that slur as being derogatory while some others simply regard it as being short for Pakistani,also, even though this article ain't pertaining to Japan I thought I'd just point out that the term 'Jap' and 'Nip' is considered derogatory among the Japanese or most Japanese.

icj1

pre 11 godina

"99 - Serbia = 0
(masterzoran, 17 February 2013 17:24)"

Ha ha ha, good one Zoran! Unfortunately the math is probably too complex for the average Albanian visitor.
(Milan, 18 February 2013 02:02)

It is indeed, because the above would mean that Serbia = 99 countries (applying the normal interpretation of arithmetic notations; not sure if they are the same in Serbia as in the rest of the world).

99 - Serbia = 0
(add "Serbia" on both sides of the equality)
99 - Serbia + Serbia = 0 + Serbia
(Serbia cancels out on the left side and the 0 cancels out on the right side)
99 = Serbia
(using the symmetric property of equality)
Serbia = 99

Now, whether Serbia is equal to 99 other countries, that is a matter open to interpretation. For somebody suffering from megalomania it is and that is perfectly understandable.

Joe

pre 11 godina

Daniel, If I a correct there was no JNA yet at that time. As for your explanation it is the usual discredited propaganda line. Following the events in Kosovo for years I am glad that it is payback time for your crimes. I hope it will last for years until no serb is left in Kosovo.