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Friday, 15.02.2013.

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President: Preserving Serbia within its borders

President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Friday during a special session of parliament that "the most important task is to preserve Serbia within its borders".

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icj1

pre 11 godina

it only shows that serbs, albanians, croats, muslims and slovenians were equally guilty to the breakup of sfrj.
(Daniel, 17 February 2013 18:24)

I don't think albanians, croats, muslims, slovenians, macedonians or montenegrins necessarily see the breakup of the SFRJ as something bad to feel guilty about. For some reason only Serbs with their megalomania sound nostalgic about it!

Daniel

pre 11 godina

But I will send you one anyhow, even though I’m sore you’ve seen it

[link]

Sure everything that doesnt fit your lies is propaganda right?Its easier that way. The link you sent me doesnt show anything of serbs killing 10s of thousands of albanians like you said, it only shows that serbs, albanians, croats, muslims and slovenians were equally guilty to the breakup of sfrj. Maybe you should actually watch something before you post it?

And btw, oh yeah your brothers and sisters burning the St Bogorodica church and grenade attack on the decani monestery is serb propaganda. Only a sick albanian like yourself can make a comment like that.

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"A lot of albanians and croat trolls coming here spewing their dissatisfaction about Serbian politics. That must mean Serbia is doing the right thing. "

The simple word of a simple person.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Of course Daniel was not advocating human rights violations
(M-la-maudite, 16 February 2013 22:27)

great, that we agree then that your posting was unrelated to what was being discussed here... did you manage to find the correct posting you replied to ?

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Granted, bad things were done by Albanians as well, but mind you, after decades of torture and over 10,000 people massacred, did you expect a hug at the end of the day?!!
==========================
Are you trying to say that you are only responding to Serb aggression?
What torture are you talking about?
You guys started the whole mess by policemen. You were provoking this for decades before any trouble began in Kosovo.

Why did your people kill those policemen? Why? Were you tortured by the Serbs and then you decided to kill some cops?
This way way before the war.

Are you saying that you did nothing to us during the war too?

Stop justifying. You started the mess and the killings. You started the terror long before any war by terrorizing our children on the way to school. Terrorizing Serbs into selling to you and getting out of Kosovo. You terrorized our women. You did everything possible to start this mess and if you don't know that, then you are only listening to grandpa telling you cr@p at the dinner table.

After all that you were putting the Serbs through, what other response did you expect than for Serbs to come down to Kosovo and kick you arse once for for all.

Pluto

pre 11 godina

I can once again only advice Mr Nikolic to leave this nationalistic rethoric which left Serbia and its people to misery and doubts .. Mr Nikolic if you love your people fight first corruption poverty and misery in your own country .. help your people with a pragmatic economical policy and give Serbian people a real hope not instrumenting fears and hiding its own incapacities by pushing Serbian people forward in permanent strikes with its neighbours.

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

Of course Daniel was not advocating human rights violations, he was denouncing them (and i surely would not accuse him of the former) - the collection of links he posted document serious ethnic violence, killings, and destruction of religious edifices and cemeteries, in the collection of pogroms who have taken place in Kosmet since '99 - and he also referred to Jasenovac death camp - so, indeed, this is the correct thread!

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Daniel did not advocate massive human rights violations

So according to you burning churches and monesterys and desecrating graves are no massive human rights violations?The more and more I read albanian comments here the more and more I realize that you albanians are the godsent people(at least according to yourself)

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 11 godina

Daniel,
Granted, bad things were done by Albanians as well, but mind you, after decades of torture and over 10,000 people massacred, did you expect a hug at the end of the day?!!

You are the last folk who can lecture about humanity and how people should be treated.

You’re posting links like you’re so well informed and you’re good at google-ing and we all know that most of it if not all, are bunch of BS propaganda from the Serb side that we are so used to.

If I were to send you the links of what your ‘brothers and sisters’ did to Albanians and others, this very server would crash in 2 minutes.

But I will send you one anyhow, even though I’m sore you’ve seen it

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=death+of+yugoslavia

icj1

pre 11 godina

ICJ1: Serbia is indeed aspiring to, and guaranteeing to its people, much better standards! But Daniel's point was that it is rather ironical for people advocating massive human rights violations and defending a criminal and terrorist pretence of a would-be-state to even speak of democracy!
(M-la-maudite, 16 February 2013 14:22)

Daniel did not advocate massive human rights violations, and the post Daniel was replying to also did not massive human rights violations, as well. I think you posted in error here an answer to some other unrelated post by some other unrelated poster. Probably B92 can help you to post the above at the correct place :)

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

ICJ1: Serbia is indeed aspiring to, and guaranteeing to its people, much better standards! But Daniel's point was that it is rather ironical for people advocating massive human rights violations and defending a criminal and terrorist pretence of a would-be-state to even speak of democracy!

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

Why is one side wrong, or the other right?
(winston, 15 February 2013 19:35)

I tend to agree with Av 's point - while your comment is reasonable, and a call for reason... it misses the actual reality on the ground by a very long shot... an actual reality which is the creation by western powers (for petty economic and geopolitical interests) of a no-law no-justice no-democracy zone, entrusted to local criminal albo maffia, where Serbs and other minority people live in ghetto like conditions only comparable to those in which Jews lived during WWII...

MikeC

pre 11 godina

A lot of albanians and croat trolls coming here spewing their dissatisfaction about Serbian politics. That must mean Serbia is doing the right thing. The day terrorist albs begin to praise Serbian politics is when I'll begin to worry. Besides albs, are you so unsure of Kosovo's status that you need to come here every day to tell the world how independent you really are? Why doesnt other Balkan people do the same?

icj1

pre 11 godina

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Judging by these links Kosovo must be a democratic ideal right?
[link]
[link]
[link]
[link]
[link]
(Daniel, 15 February 2013 21:36)

Interesting though that you'd measure Serbia by using Kosovo's standards... I thought Serbia was aspiring for much higher :)

Brian

pre 11 godina

Pluto is so Ignorant what kInd of nationalist meets with the Kosovo president as an equal? There are no nationalists in the Serbian government nor are there Patriots . Eu is there loyalty

Av

pre 11 godina

Why is one side wrong, or the other right?
(winston, 15 February 2013 19:35)

Please don't read this as picking on your point, because I think that on the whole it's a very reasonable one, but I do have a bone to pick with the Albanian side, or more specifically, the international backers of the Albanian side. I think that the whole concept of a disgraced state comes from sleazy guys who want to fool gullible women into thinking that they're all sensitive and human-rights-y, and do so by making demons of far-removed lands and then "supporting human rights" by continually reinforcing the false characterization and provoking justification for it. Its a disgusting practice which really acts counter to the principles of human rights, and Serbia is far from the only victim.

winston

pre 11 godina

Pluto, don't be afraid. Serbian politicians, and all the politicians in the Balkans, have been making scary speeches forever. It's only a matter of, do the people listening really care? I hear a lot of crap from Serbian politicians, and most of it goes in one ear, out the other. Hope you do the same with your politicians. They all stink.

j

pre 11 godina

"Ben, how are Serbian politicians any different from Shiptar ones? And do you really think the Shiptar people are more intelligent than Serbs?"

-- What happened your keyboard is missing the letter q? You know its not that hard to use it.

Pluto

pre 11 godina

A very frightened speech .. too many nationalistic tones .. Serbia's politicians shouldn't play with fears of the Serbian people like Nikolic does .. he should fight poverty and unemployement in Serbia and leave the rest in peace.

CrazyMuja

pre 11 godina

Yes, Daniel, there has been a so-called "silent ethnic cleansing" of Serbs from Kosovo by ethnic Albanians since the bombing ended in 1999. Actually, considering the Albanian pogroms of minority Serbs in Kosovo in 2004, it is quite substantial. All of this has been done under the watchful eye of NATO KFOR troops, with little or no response. Why is that? Is there an unspoken mandate that these troops are carrying out? Who will ever know? One thing for sure, Serbs must stick together in Kosovo in order to survive. If they give themselves over to EU authorities, it is a death warrant. Albanians would immediately take over all of Kosovo, make life for all Serbs horrible, and the remaining Serb population in Kosovo would quickly flee. That may be the mandate for KFOR, it is certainly for the Kosovo Albanians. Resistance by the local Kosovo Serbs is their only chance of survival, if they intend on living on their ancestral lands. No one but themselves will help them, maybe Belgrade, but that is a big maybe. Kosovo is Serbia, for sure, but it will be monumental battle to even retain one small sliver for the indigenous serbs.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

BELGRADE -- President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Friday during a special session of parliament that "the most important task is to preserve Serbia within its borders". Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.
(Lenard, 15 February 2013 18:06)

How funny it is to see a croat commenting on a SERBIAN site about horrendous evil history. Have you already forgot about WW2 and Jasenovac?

Daniel

pre 11 godina

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Judging by these links Kosovo must be a democratic ideal right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyFdozs4ZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMX2tuAC3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_lzR6JKrRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBIROAPY9k

winston

pre 11 godina

Ben, how are Serbian politicians any different from Shiptar ones? And do you really think the Shiptar people are more intelligent than Serbs? Thaci is a mafia clan chief, simple as that. He did not get his castle on the hill from his government salary, be honest. Both sides are fighting here to obtain, or maintain there presence in KiM. Why is one side wrong, or the other right? And please, no Illyrian, or ethnic cleansing examples, those are so old they make everyone gag, and laugh.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.
(Lenard, 15 February 2013 18:06)

LMAOOO what?

What the hell is that? You don't even follow up on why Republika Srpska is supposedly dying. I swear you ought to exchange addresses with Ian, UK and any other lunatic who likes your comments so you can all have drinks together and talk about who hates Serbs the most.

And we don't even have to get into the fact that they all post on a Serbian media outlet's official site. I think everyone's already aware of the irony.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

For Serbia Kosovo is UNTENABLE and Nikolic does not seem to understand that. Does any Serb in here still believe thaf Asaad of Syria will govern the country for long? There is one reason why Iam making the analogy.....Not hard to guess!
(EA, 15 February 2013 18:03)

No believe me, I think Nikolic hopes you are right. Its the Serbian people that do not agree to the current discourse taken by even their own politicians. The politicians already made an agreement with whoever for Kosovo i Metohija and they have full intention to let it go completely. Like how the hell is the gov't electing (not being physically forced because nobody could physically force them to even do so) to remove its legal institutions somehow "preserving Serbia within its borders"??

Its really up to the people to decide, and they certainly don't have to do it right now if its not an appropriate time. As long as violence continues on anything Serbian (be it people, grave-sites or religious institutions) and "kosovo" doesn't show up as a UN member-state then you are forever leaving the door open to future conflict because your intentions for peace are not sincere.

EA

pre 11 godina

For Serbia Kosovo is UNTENABLE and Nikolic does not seem to understand that. Does any Serb in here still believe thaf Asaad of Syria will govern the country for long? There is one reason why Iam making the analogy.....Not hard to guess!

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 11 godina

According to him, Serbia is a democratic country

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Fork it..

ben

pre 11 godina

Which borders?? the one that you draw while drinking your slivovica or the one with which you negotiate with the EU???

politicians are hypocrits by construction and their champions are the Serbian one. But they will still float unitll they will have stupid electorate of which Serbia hase never seen any shortage.

Lenard

pre 11 godina

BELGRADE -- President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Friday during a special session of parliament that "the most important task is to preserve Serbia within its borders". Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.

wasp

pre 11 godina

Preserve borders and sovereignty (not to mention culture and traditions) and at the same time disintegrate into a sinking neo-liberal Borg-hive, listen, you can´t have the cake and eat it. too, simple as that.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

“We must not lose hope and we will not stop with the just efforts aimed at the preservation of our territory and identity, our heart and soul, Kosovo and Metohija,” Nikolić underscored.


Well, until yesterday you were fighting to keep northern Mitro only, and today you even gave up on your parallels structures. Need I say anymore Mr. hunger striker!? You cannot even step a foot in Kosova , unless PM Thaci says so.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

“We must not lose hope and we will not stop with the just efforts aimed at the preservation of our territory and identity, our heart and soul, Kosovo and Metohija,” Nikolić underscored.


Well, until yesterday you were fighting to keep northern Mitro only, and today you even gave up on your parallels structures. Need I say anymore Mr. hunger striker!? You cannot even step a foot in Kosova , unless PM Thaci says so.

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 11 godina

According to him, Serbia is a democratic country

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Fork it..

ben

pre 11 godina

Which borders?? the one that you draw while drinking your slivovica or the one with which you negotiate with the EU???

politicians are hypocrits by construction and their champions are the Serbian one. But they will still float unitll they will have stupid electorate of which Serbia hase never seen any shortage.

EA

pre 11 godina

For Serbia Kosovo is UNTENABLE and Nikolic does not seem to understand that. Does any Serb in here still believe thaf Asaad of Syria will govern the country for long? There is one reason why Iam making the analogy.....Not hard to guess!

Lenard

pre 11 godina

BELGRADE -- President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Friday during a special session of parliament that "the most important task is to preserve Serbia within its borders". Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.

CrazyMuja

pre 11 godina

Yes, Daniel, there has been a so-called "silent ethnic cleansing" of Serbs from Kosovo by ethnic Albanians since the bombing ended in 1999. Actually, considering the Albanian pogroms of minority Serbs in Kosovo in 2004, it is quite substantial. All of this has been done under the watchful eye of NATO KFOR troops, with little or no response. Why is that? Is there an unspoken mandate that these troops are carrying out? Who will ever know? One thing for sure, Serbs must stick together in Kosovo in order to survive. If they give themselves over to EU authorities, it is a death warrant. Albanians would immediately take over all of Kosovo, make life for all Serbs horrible, and the remaining Serb population in Kosovo would quickly flee. That may be the mandate for KFOR, it is certainly for the Kosovo Albanians. Resistance by the local Kosovo Serbs is their only chance of survival, if they intend on living on their ancestral lands. No one but themselves will help them, maybe Belgrade, but that is a big maybe. Kosovo is Serbia, for sure, but it will be monumental battle to even retain one small sliver for the indigenous serbs.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

For Serbia Kosovo is UNTENABLE and Nikolic does not seem to understand that. Does any Serb in here still believe thaf Asaad of Syria will govern the country for long? There is one reason why Iam making the analogy.....Not hard to guess!
(EA, 15 February 2013 18:03)

No believe me, I think Nikolic hopes you are right. Its the Serbian people that do not agree to the current discourse taken by even their own politicians. The politicians already made an agreement with whoever for Kosovo i Metohija and they have full intention to let it go completely. Like how the hell is the gov't electing (not being physically forced because nobody could physically force them to even do so) to remove its legal institutions somehow "preserving Serbia within its borders"??

Its really up to the people to decide, and they certainly don't have to do it right now if its not an appropriate time. As long as violence continues on anything Serbian (be it people, grave-sites or religious institutions) and "kosovo" doesn't show up as a UN member-state then you are forever leaving the door open to future conflict because your intentions for peace are not sincere.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

BELGRADE -- President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Friday during a special session of parliament that "the most important task is to preserve Serbia within its borders". Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.
(Lenard, 15 February 2013 18:06)

How funny it is to see a croat commenting on a SERBIAN site about horrendous evil history. Have you already forgot about WW2 and Jasenovac?

Pluto

pre 11 godina

A very frightened speech .. too many nationalistic tones .. Serbia's politicians shouldn't play with fears of the Serbian people like Nikolic does .. he should fight poverty and unemployement in Serbia and leave the rest in peace.

wasp

pre 11 godina

Preserve borders and sovereignty (not to mention culture and traditions) and at the same time disintegrate into a sinking neo-liberal Borg-hive, listen, you can´t have the cake and eat it. too, simple as that.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.
(Lenard, 15 February 2013 18:06)

LMAOOO what?

What the hell is that? You don't even follow up on why Republika Srpska is supposedly dying. I swear you ought to exchange addresses with Ian, UK and any other lunatic who likes your comments so you can all have drinks together and talk about who hates Serbs the most.

And we don't even have to get into the fact that they all post on a Serbian media outlet's official site. I think everyone's already aware of the irony.

winston

pre 11 godina

Ben, how are Serbian politicians any different from Shiptar ones? And do you really think the Shiptar people are more intelligent than Serbs? Thaci is a mafia clan chief, simple as that. He did not get his castle on the hill from his government salary, be honest. Both sides are fighting here to obtain, or maintain there presence in KiM. Why is one side wrong, or the other right? And please, no Illyrian, or ethnic cleansing examples, those are so old they make everyone gag, and laugh.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Judging by these links Kosovo must be a democratic ideal right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyFdozs4ZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMX2tuAC3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_lzR6JKrRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBIROAPY9k

icj1

pre 11 godina

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Judging by these links Kosovo must be a democratic ideal right?
[link]
[link]
[link]
[link]
[link]
(Daniel, 15 February 2013 21:36)

Interesting though that you'd measure Serbia by using Kosovo's standards... I thought Serbia was aspiring for much higher :)

MikeC

pre 11 godina

A lot of albanians and croat trolls coming here spewing their dissatisfaction about Serbian politics. That must mean Serbia is doing the right thing. The day terrorist albs begin to praise Serbian politics is when I'll begin to worry. Besides albs, are you so unsure of Kosovo's status that you need to come here every day to tell the world how independent you really are? Why doesnt other Balkan people do the same?

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Daniel did not advocate massive human rights violations

So according to you burning churches and monesterys and desecrating graves are no massive human rights violations?The more and more I read albanian comments here the more and more I realize that you albanians are the godsent people(at least according to yourself)

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

Of course Daniel was not advocating human rights violations, he was denouncing them (and i surely would not accuse him of the former) - the collection of links he posted document serious ethnic violence, killings, and destruction of religious edifices and cemeteries, in the collection of pogroms who have taken place in Kosmet since '99 - and he also referred to Jasenovac death camp - so, indeed, this is the correct thread!

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Granted, bad things were done by Albanians as well, but mind you, after decades of torture and over 10,000 people massacred, did you expect a hug at the end of the day?!!
==========================
Are you trying to say that you are only responding to Serb aggression?
What torture are you talking about?
You guys started the whole mess by policemen. You were provoking this for decades before any trouble began in Kosovo.

Why did your people kill those policemen? Why? Were you tortured by the Serbs and then you decided to kill some cops?
This way way before the war.

Are you saying that you did nothing to us during the war too?

Stop justifying. You started the mess and the killings. You started the terror long before any war by terrorizing our children on the way to school. Terrorizing Serbs into selling to you and getting out of Kosovo. You terrorized our women. You did everything possible to start this mess and if you don't know that, then you are only listening to grandpa telling you cr@p at the dinner table.

After all that you were putting the Serbs through, what other response did you expect than for Serbs to come down to Kosovo and kick you arse once for for all.

Av

pre 11 godina

Why is one side wrong, or the other right?
(winston, 15 February 2013 19:35)

Please don't read this as picking on your point, because I think that on the whole it's a very reasonable one, but I do have a bone to pick with the Albanian side, or more specifically, the international backers of the Albanian side. I think that the whole concept of a disgraced state comes from sleazy guys who want to fool gullible women into thinking that they're all sensitive and human-rights-y, and do so by making demons of far-removed lands and then "supporting human rights" by continually reinforcing the false characterization and provoking justification for it. Its a disgusting practice which really acts counter to the principles of human rights, and Serbia is far from the only victim.

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

Why is one side wrong, or the other right?
(winston, 15 February 2013 19:35)

I tend to agree with Av 's point - while your comment is reasonable, and a call for reason... it misses the actual reality on the ground by a very long shot... an actual reality which is the creation by western powers (for petty economic and geopolitical interests) of a no-law no-justice no-democracy zone, entrusted to local criminal albo maffia, where Serbs and other minority people live in ghetto like conditions only comparable to those in which Jews lived during WWII...

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 11 godina

Daniel,
Granted, bad things were done by Albanians as well, but mind you, after decades of torture and over 10,000 people massacred, did you expect a hug at the end of the day?!!

You are the last folk who can lecture about humanity and how people should be treated.

You’re posting links like you’re so well informed and you’re good at google-ing and we all know that most of it if not all, are bunch of BS propaganda from the Serb side that we are so used to.

If I were to send you the links of what your ‘brothers and sisters’ did to Albanians and others, this very server would crash in 2 minutes.

But I will send you one anyhow, even though I’m sore you’ve seen it

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=death+of+yugoslavia

icj1

pre 11 godina

Of course Daniel was not advocating human rights violations
(M-la-maudite, 16 February 2013 22:27)

great, that we agree then that your posting was unrelated to what was being discussed here... did you manage to find the correct posting you replied to ?

icj1

pre 11 godina

it only shows that serbs, albanians, croats, muslims and slovenians were equally guilty to the breakup of sfrj.
(Daniel, 17 February 2013 18:24)

I don't think albanians, croats, muslims, slovenians, macedonians or montenegrins necessarily see the breakup of the SFRJ as something bad to feel guilty about. For some reason only Serbs with their megalomania sound nostalgic about it!

j

pre 11 godina

"Ben, how are Serbian politicians any different from Shiptar ones? And do you really think the Shiptar people are more intelligent than Serbs?"

-- What happened your keyboard is missing the letter q? You know its not that hard to use it.

Brian

pre 11 godina

Pluto is so Ignorant what kInd of nationalist meets with the Kosovo president as an equal? There are no nationalists in the Serbian government nor are there Patriots . Eu is there loyalty

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

ICJ1: Serbia is indeed aspiring to, and guaranteeing to its people, much better standards! But Daniel's point was that it is rather ironical for people advocating massive human rights violations and defending a criminal and terrorist pretence of a would-be-state to even speak of democracy!

icj1

pre 11 godina

ICJ1: Serbia is indeed aspiring to, and guaranteeing to its people, much better standards! But Daniel's point was that it is rather ironical for people advocating massive human rights violations and defending a criminal and terrorist pretence of a would-be-state to even speak of democracy!
(M-la-maudite, 16 February 2013 14:22)

Daniel did not advocate massive human rights violations, and the post Daniel was replying to also did not massive human rights violations, as well. I think you posted in error here an answer to some other unrelated post by some other unrelated poster. Probably B92 can help you to post the above at the correct place :)

Pluto

pre 11 godina

I can once again only advice Mr Nikolic to leave this nationalistic rethoric which left Serbia and its people to misery and doubts .. Mr Nikolic if you love your people fight first corruption poverty and misery in your own country .. help your people with a pragmatic economical policy and give Serbian people a real hope not instrumenting fears and hiding its own incapacities by pushing Serbian people forward in permanent strikes with its neighbours.

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"A lot of albanians and croat trolls coming here spewing their dissatisfaction about Serbian politics. That must mean Serbia is doing the right thing. "

The simple word of a simple person.

winston

pre 11 godina

Pluto, don't be afraid. Serbian politicians, and all the politicians in the Balkans, have been making scary speeches forever. It's only a matter of, do the people listening really care? I hear a lot of crap from Serbian politicians, and most of it goes in one ear, out the other. Hope you do the same with your politicians. They all stink.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

But I will send you one anyhow, even though I’m sore you’ve seen it

[link]

Sure everything that doesnt fit your lies is propaganda right?Its easier that way. The link you sent me doesnt show anything of serbs killing 10s of thousands of albanians like you said, it only shows that serbs, albanians, croats, muslims and slovenians were equally guilty to the breakup of sfrj. Maybe you should actually watch something before you post it?

And btw, oh yeah your brothers and sisters burning the St Bogorodica church and grenade attack on the decani monestery is serb propaganda. Only a sick albanian like yourself can make a comment like that.

winston

pre 11 godina

Ben, how are Serbian politicians any different from Shiptar ones? And do you really think the Shiptar people are more intelligent than Serbs? Thaci is a mafia clan chief, simple as that. He did not get his castle on the hill from his government salary, be honest. Both sides are fighting here to obtain, or maintain there presence in KiM. Why is one side wrong, or the other right? And please, no Illyrian, or ethnic cleansing examples, those are so old they make everyone gag, and laugh.

EA

pre 11 godina

For Serbia Kosovo is UNTENABLE and Nikolic does not seem to understand that. Does any Serb in here still believe thaf Asaad of Syria will govern the country for long? There is one reason why Iam making the analogy.....Not hard to guess!

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

For Serbia Kosovo is UNTENABLE and Nikolic does not seem to understand that. Does any Serb in here still believe thaf Asaad of Syria will govern the country for long? There is one reason why Iam making the analogy.....Not hard to guess!
(EA, 15 February 2013 18:03)

No believe me, I think Nikolic hopes you are right. Its the Serbian people that do not agree to the current discourse taken by even their own politicians. The politicians already made an agreement with whoever for Kosovo i Metohija and they have full intention to let it go completely. Like how the hell is the gov't electing (not being physically forced because nobody could physically force them to even do so) to remove its legal institutions somehow "preserving Serbia within its borders"??

Its really up to the people to decide, and they certainly don't have to do it right now if its not an appropriate time. As long as violence continues on anything Serbian (be it people, grave-sites or religious institutions) and "kosovo" doesn't show up as a UN member-state then you are forever leaving the door open to future conflict because your intentions for peace are not sincere.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

BELGRADE -- President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Friday during a special session of parliament that "the most important task is to preserve Serbia within its borders". Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.
(Lenard, 15 February 2013 18:06)

How funny it is to see a croat commenting on a SERBIAN site about horrendous evil history. Have you already forgot about WW2 and Jasenovac?

Daniel

pre 11 godina

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Judging by these links Kosovo must be a democratic ideal right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyFdozs4ZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMX2tuAC3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_lzR6JKrRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBIROAPY9k

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

“We must not lose hope and we will not stop with the just efforts aimed at the preservation of our territory and identity, our heart and soul, Kosovo and Metohija,” Nikolić underscored.


Well, until yesterday you were fighting to keep northern Mitro only, and today you even gave up on your parallels structures. Need I say anymore Mr. hunger striker!? You cannot even step a foot in Kosova , unless PM Thaci says so.

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 11 godina

According to him, Serbia is a democratic country

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Fork it..

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.
(Lenard, 15 February 2013 18:06)

LMAOOO what?

What the hell is that? You don't even follow up on why Republika Srpska is supposedly dying. I swear you ought to exchange addresses with Ian, UK and any other lunatic who likes your comments so you can all have drinks together and talk about who hates Serbs the most.

And we don't even have to get into the fact that they all post on a Serbian media outlet's official site. I think everyone's already aware of the irony.

wasp

pre 11 godina

Preserve borders and sovereignty (not to mention culture and traditions) and at the same time disintegrate into a sinking neo-liberal Borg-hive, listen, you can´t have the cake and eat it. too, simple as that.

Lenard

pre 11 godina

BELGRADE -- President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Friday during a special session of parliament that "the most important task is to preserve Serbia within its borders". Did you hear that Dodik Greater Serbia is dying. The embarrassing horrible criminal evil fantasy of "Srpska entity" in the brutally attacked country of Bosnia done finito. A spent criminal war mongering force their is some hope for Serbia finally. Welcome back my Serb brothers to reality and a better future don't turn back to those horrendous evil days of yesterday.

CrazyMuja

pre 11 godina

Yes, Daniel, there has been a so-called "silent ethnic cleansing" of Serbs from Kosovo by ethnic Albanians since the bombing ended in 1999. Actually, considering the Albanian pogroms of minority Serbs in Kosovo in 2004, it is quite substantial. All of this has been done under the watchful eye of NATO KFOR troops, with little or no response. Why is that? Is there an unspoken mandate that these troops are carrying out? Who will ever know? One thing for sure, Serbs must stick together in Kosovo in order to survive. If they give themselves over to EU authorities, it is a death warrant. Albanians would immediately take over all of Kosovo, make life for all Serbs horrible, and the remaining Serb population in Kosovo would quickly flee. That may be the mandate for KFOR, it is certainly for the Kosovo Albanians. Resistance by the local Kosovo Serbs is their only chance of survival, if they intend on living on their ancestral lands. No one but themselves will help them, maybe Belgrade, but that is a big maybe. Kosovo is Serbia, for sure, but it will be monumental battle to even retain one small sliver for the indigenous serbs.

Pluto

pre 11 godina

A very frightened speech .. too many nationalistic tones .. Serbia's politicians shouldn't play with fears of the Serbian people like Nikolic does .. he should fight poverty and unemployement in Serbia and leave the rest in peace.

ben

pre 11 godina

Which borders?? the one that you draw while drinking your slivovica or the one with which you negotiate with the EU???

politicians are hypocrits by construction and their champions are the Serbian one. But they will still float unitll they will have stupid electorate of which Serbia hase never seen any shortage.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

A lot of albanians and croat trolls coming here spewing their dissatisfaction about Serbian politics. That must mean Serbia is doing the right thing. The day terrorist albs begin to praise Serbian politics is when I'll begin to worry. Besides albs, are you so unsure of Kosovo's status that you need to come here every day to tell the world how independent you really are? Why doesnt other Balkan people do the same?

icj1

pre 11 godina

ICJ1: Serbia is indeed aspiring to, and guaranteeing to its people, much better standards! But Daniel's point was that it is rather ironical for people advocating massive human rights violations and defending a criminal and terrorist pretence of a would-be-state to even speak of democracy!
(M-la-maudite, 16 February 2013 14:22)

Daniel did not advocate massive human rights violations, and the post Daniel was replying to also did not massive human rights violations, as well. I think you posted in error here an answer to some other unrelated post by some other unrelated poster. Probably B92 can help you to post the above at the correct place :)

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 11 godina

Daniel,
Granted, bad things were done by Albanians as well, but mind you, after decades of torture and over 10,000 people massacred, did you expect a hug at the end of the day?!!

You are the last folk who can lecture about humanity and how people should be treated.

You’re posting links like you’re so well informed and you’re good at google-ing and we all know that most of it if not all, are bunch of BS propaganda from the Serb side that we are so used to.

If I were to send you the links of what your ‘brothers and sisters’ did to Albanians and others, this very server would crash in 2 minutes.

But I will send you one anyhow, even though I’m sore you’ve seen it

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=death+of+yugoslavia

icj1

pre 11 godina

LOL what an understatement; Serbia and democracy do not fit on the same sentence.

Judging by these links Kosovo must be a democratic ideal right?
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(Daniel, 15 February 2013 21:36)

Interesting though that you'd measure Serbia by using Kosovo's standards... I thought Serbia was aspiring for much higher :)

Av

pre 11 godina

Why is one side wrong, or the other right?
(winston, 15 February 2013 19:35)

Please don't read this as picking on your point, because I think that on the whole it's a very reasonable one, but I do have a bone to pick with the Albanian side, or more specifically, the international backers of the Albanian side. I think that the whole concept of a disgraced state comes from sleazy guys who want to fool gullible women into thinking that they're all sensitive and human-rights-y, and do so by making demons of far-removed lands and then "supporting human rights" by continually reinforcing the false characterization and provoking justification for it. Its a disgusting practice which really acts counter to the principles of human rights, and Serbia is far from the only victim.

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

ICJ1: Serbia is indeed aspiring to, and guaranteeing to its people, much better standards! But Daniel's point was that it is rather ironical for people advocating massive human rights violations and defending a criminal and terrorist pretence of a would-be-state to even speak of democracy!

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

Why is one side wrong, or the other right?
(winston, 15 February 2013 19:35)

I tend to agree with Av 's point - while your comment is reasonable, and a call for reason... it misses the actual reality on the ground by a very long shot... an actual reality which is the creation by western powers (for petty economic and geopolitical interests) of a no-law no-justice no-democracy zone, entrusted to local criminal albo maffia, where Serbs and other minority people live in ghetto like conditions only comparable to those in which Jews lived during WWII...

Pluto

pre 11 godina

I can once again only advice Mr Nikolic to leave this nationalistic rethoric which left Serbia and its people to misery and doubts .. Mr Nikolic if you love your people fight first corruption poverty and misery in your own country .. help your people with a pragmatic economical policy and give Serbian people a real hope not instrumenting fears and hiding its own incapacities by pushing Serbian people forward in permanent strikes with its neighbours.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Granted, bad things were done by Albanians as well, but mind you, after decades of torture and over 10,000 people massacred, did you expect a hug at the end of the day?!!
==========================
Are you trying to say that you are only responding to Serb aggression?
What torture are you talking about?
You guys started the whole mess by policemen. You were provoking this for decades before any trouble began in Kosovo.

Why did your people kill those policemen? Why? Were you tortured by the Serbs and then you decided to kill some cops?
This way way before the war.

Are you saying that you did nothing to us during the war too?

Stop justifying. You started the mess and the killings. You started the terror long before any war by terrorizing our children on the way to school. Terrorizing Serbs into selling to you and getting out of Kosovo. You terrorized our women. You did everything possible to start this mess and if you don't know that, then you are only listening to grandpa telling you cr@p at the dinner table.

After all that you were putting the Serbs through, what other response did you expect than for Serbs to come down to Kosovo and kick you arse once for for all.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Of course Daniel was not advocating human rights violations
(M-la-maudite, 16 February 2013 22:27)

great, that we agree then that your posting was unrelated to what was being discussed here... did you manage to find the correct posting you replied to ?

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"A lot of albanians and croat trolls coming here spewing their dissatisfaction about Serbian politics. That must mean Serbia is doing the right thing. "

The simple word of a simple person.

j

pre 11 godina

"Ben, how are Serbian politicians any different from Shiptar ones? And do you really think the Shiptar people are more intelligent than Serbs?"

-- What happened your keyboard is missing the letter q? You know its not that hard to use it.

winston

pre 11 godina

Pluto, don't be afraid. Serbian politicians, and all the politicians in the Balkans, have been making scary speeches forever. It's only a matter of, do the people listening really care? I hear a lot of crap from Serbian politicians, and most of it goes in one ear, out the other. Hope you do the same with your politicians. They all stink.

Brian

pre 11 godina

Pluto is so Ignorant what kInd of nationalist meets with the Kosovo president as an equal? There are no nationalists in the Serbian government nor are there Patriots . Eu is there loyalty

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Daniel did not advocate massive human rights violations

So according to you burning churches and monesterys and desecrating graves are no massive human rights violations?The more and more I read albanian comments here the more and more I realize that you albanians are the godsent people(at least according to yourself)

Daniel

pre 11 godina

But I will send you one anyhow, even though I’m sore you’ve seen it

[link]

Sure everything that doesnt fit your lies is propaganda right?Its easier that way. The link you sent me doesnt show anything of serbs killing 10s of thousands of albanians like you said, it only shows that serbs, albanians, croats, muslims and slovenians were equally guilty to the breakup of sfrj. Maybe you should actually watch something before you post it?

And btw, oh yeah your brothers and sisters burning the St Bogorodica church and grenade attack on the decani monestery is serb propaganda. Only a sick albanian like yourself can make a comment like that.

M-la-maudite

pre 11 godina

Of course Daniel was not advocating human rights violations, he was denouncing them (and i surely would not accuse him of the former) - the collection of links he posted document serious ethnic violence, killings, and destruction of religious edifices and cemeteries, in the collection of pogroms who have taken place in Kosmet since '99 - and he also referred to Jasenovac death camp - so, indeed, this is the correct thread!

icj1

pre 11 godina

it only shows that serbs, albanians, croats, muslims and slovenians were equally guilty to the breakup of sfrj.
(Daniel, 17 February 2013 18:24)

I don't think albanians, croats, muslims, slovenians, macedonians or montenegrins necessarily see the breakup of the SFRJ as something bad to feel guilty about. For some reason only Serbs with their megalomania sound nostalgic about it!