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Thursday, 14.02.2013.

20:21

Macedonian town's decision to honor Haradinaj revoked

The Local Self-Government Inspectorate has annulled a decision made by the Council of the Tetovo Municipality to declare <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=29&nav_id=83404" class="text-link" target= "_blank">Ramush Haradinaj</a> an honorary citizen.

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mitsos

pre 11 godina

(MikeC, 15 February 2013 22:07) Writing for BALKAN NATIONS AND " People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years" you are giving the impression, to the readers that the mentioned by you nations (albanians, serbs and "macedonians") were living in balkans in that era !!!!! I ,have included in quotes the name macedonians since such ethnicity is never mentioned in history books but only after 19th century.So you must not mix the regional identification of local people in the wide macedonia territory with balkans ethnicities

mitsos

pre 11 godina

The most important thing ,is that the european elite has not yet understood, the Balkans "explosive" historic background,neither has learned from the historic past . The recent 15 years, the rising of nationalism and populism in Balkans is a reality .After the 100th anniversary ,of the end of balkans wars ,The borders in Balkans seems to be not permanently in the minds of some balkanian leaders, Even if , have no military power, their propaganda network has invented "fraternal populations" who are "under occupation" in the neighboring countries,or even, comical historical claims that have no logical link with ,the so far known ancient or medieval or modern history of european civilizations !!these mechanisms , have started publishing or borrowing from the past eras , expansionistic and irredentist maps, showing to the public their national "territorial inspirations" for the so called "great country" or "united ethnicity" Those maps are not only existing in the media and the web, but also in their schools , and this is terrible ! I think it is time for the europeans to take measures, instead of talks and friendly caresses before its to late for peace ! Today's period in balkans has many similarities with 1900-1913 for those who are studing histoy

icj1

pre 11 godina

You never answered my question! People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years. How should we solve that? Should america return its territory to the nativs? You think that just because albanians, serbs and macedonians live on the same territory it automaticaly belongs to only albs. You are seriously twisted. You managed to steal parts of Kosovo, trust me when I say that you won't be able to steal another inch of Christian land.
(MikeC, 15 February 2013 22:07)

Welcome to the world, dear.... Yes, Albanians stole the land from X, Serbs stole it from Y, Americans stole it from Z, and so on. All countries have stolen the land from somebody else who was there before them. I know, it's unfair, but this is the world, dear. You are certainly welcome to create a virtual reality if you don't like it :)

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"Fikret, Albanians are not a race, they are an ethnicity. You are not a racist if you dislike the way Albanians conduct themselves. "

Gimme a break. So you're seriously defending statements of a person who thinks "Alb provocation" is a "cancer that must be crushed"? You're seriously trying to say Mike is not a racist - because Albanians are an ethnicity rather than a biological race? Did you follow his hate filled remarks over the months?

You must be kidding!

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"So what would you call these rabid Albanians who are hell bent on creating trouble all over the Balkan?
(Peggy, 15 February 2013 10:45) "

This reminds me of the way western press described Serbs in the 1990s. Food for thougts, Peggy.

gjon fusha

pre 11 godina

Reading all Serbian messages here one can conclude that Milloshevich was just doing what his nation wanted. What I do not understand is why when it comes to bombing Serbia, you Serbians crying as unjust. Funny commentator is that one that wants a all nation around Kosova to be united in order to clean that from Albanians. In same time he forget that all those nations has recognize Kosova except Serbia itself.
As Albanian saying goes: caravan has to move doesn't matter that dogs are barking.

Metodije

pre 11 godina

@winston, 15 February 2013 18:05)

Do this link albo will have heart attak...Tahnks
before make any claim for Balkan, Albo must see first Sicily home.

Scepticism

pre 11 godina

Albanians become more and more aggressive, driven by the support of their pimps like Germany and the US. The problem they have however is that they cannot differentiate between having a pimp and being the pimp. Albanians therefore started thinking that they ARE as strong as their pimps.

All nations of the Balkans have to unite, forming an anti-Albanian front. The objective of this front would be the return of land currently illegally occupied by Albanians.

Albanians, we are looking for you!

MikeC

pre 11 godina

iso

You never answered my question! People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years. How should we solve that? Should america return its territory to the nativs? You think that just because albanians, serbs and macedonians live on the same territory it automaticaly belongs to only albs. You are seriously twisted. You managed to steal parts of Kosovo, trust me when I say that you won't be able to steal another inch of Christian land. You have always been a minority in the balkans but due to high birth rates lately you are overcrowding the balkans with famine and criminals. And if you talialbanians were in the balkans before the dinsours how come you haven't left anything behind? All older cultures left some trace of their exicstance but you albs left nothing. How come? Where did you live? Where did you worship you god? You are basing you history on articles that fit your own agenda instead of looking to internationally recognized history of the balkans. All of the sudden this wikipedia serbs is correct, if another serb would write the oposite he would of course be wrong, why? Because their views don't fit your agenda. You are nothing but troublemakers. I bet a lot of western countries are angry at themselves for not letting Milosevic stay in power and hadle the alb problem once and for all.

winston

pre 11 godina

Iso, you are fighting a losing battle. Modern day DNA analysis simply does not support Albanians' claim to being descendants of ancient Illyrians in the Balkans. The Illyrians were a nomadic tribe, that covered pretty much the entirety of today's Balkan peninsula, and the most closely matched DNA analysis of their descendants are the modern day Bosnians. You can argue till you are blue in the face, but it is pretty hard to go up against DNA. Read a bit about Halogroup research, and you will gain a better understanding. The Albanian claim that they were in the Balkans before Christianity, without any kind of physical proof, was always a bit hard to accept. Today's science has validated that disbelief. Never be ashamed of where you come from, or of your origins. If it was the near or middle east, fine, but be proud. Kosovo is still a land of many different ethnic inhabitants, and should stay that way - not just Albanian, especially since you are not indigenous to the land.

winston

pre 11 godina

Iso, I do not know what map you are looking, nor does it matter. Recent findings suggest that Bosnians are true descendants of the ancient Illyrians, and not the Albanians as you all claim. There are way too many theories as to where Albanians came from, to simply believe the folk tale that Shiptars espouse. Please read the link here, it is just one of many on the internet, regarding the ancient peoples of the Balkans. There is a claim that Albanians originally came from Sicily, and lands before that. That makes the most sense to me, both chronically, and characteristically. There is no evidence of an ancient Albanian peoples on the Balkans, no artifacts, no writings, no paintings, no structures, nothing. Why? I have read extensively on the origins of the Balkans people, pure interest without bias, and the latest proof shows that the Albanian claim to ancient Illyrians is simply not true. Just like the claim that Kosovo belongs to Albanians.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-48562.html

iso

pre 11 godina

(MikeC, 15 February 2013 17:36)
Genius , I didn`t say give Albanians all the territories they used to inhabit because that`d be unrealistic , the land they inhabit at the moment is more than enough :)

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

Nick

The First Balkan War was a united effort by Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece against the Ottoman Empire, in the Second the Serbs and Greeks started to fight the Bulgarians where even the Ottomans were fighting them. Those wars had extremely little to do with albania, your historical knowledge is appauling.

Iso

Your arguments are quite poor in strength. Even if there is a small albanian community near Nis, whats your point? There are some thousands of ethnic Serbs living in albania, not to mention the Germans in the Volga region in Russia, does this mean Germany should be allowed to expand to the Volga? Hitler tried to do this, albanians seem to have this quality in common with him. The Illyrian arguement that you albanians bark on about is extremely weak. Illyrians lived all over the Balkans including Dalmatia for example, albanians do not inhabit Dalmatia, but because Illyrians lived there I'm sure you will try and suggest that a greater albania should extend that far. Haplogroup research finds albanian genetics coming from what is today Turkmenistan, like where the Turks originally have come from. Always thought that both Turks and albanians had a lot in common.

iso

pre 11 godina

MikeC

"Oh my God! A Wikipedia link is the best you could find to prove albs were in the balkans before everyone else" Lol did u even check the source?
It`s Dušan T. Bataković book "Kosovo and Metohija: living in the enclave"
http://books.google.com/books?ei=jL0BTpjyGomZ8QPc1NSvDQ&ct=result&id=eGM_AQAAIAAJ&dq=%22sanjak+of+Ni%C5%A1%22&q=emptied+after#search_anchor Page 35 He clearly writes what I told you in the previous post.

I hope your eyes don`t get out while reading it. It was written by a serbian historian Dušan T. Bataković Director of the Institute for Balkan Studies at the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts.

Nothing more to say, owning you through using your own countries sources don`t you feel ashamed. Stop embarrassing yourself , your theory is illogical. Albanians didn`t come from Albania they were there already as autochthonous people .

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Iso

Oh my God! A Wikipedia link is the best you could find to prove albs were in the balkans before everyone else. Lets say for arguments sake that albs were here before everyone else. In that case lets back history and all nations of today should return territory to the way it was in the 13 th century, including your biggest sponsor the americans who would be left without a country. You are an dumba.s and your views is the view of a trouble maker. You want to steal more Serbian land, then come and get it.

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Iso Genius, Maybe your masters the USA might be able to explain it better, the native americans inhabited the land of the current USA for centuries before the United States was formed yet they are ruled over by the US government.

iso

pre 11 godina

(winston, 15 February 2013 15:09)
Bosnians older than Albanians? Don`t make me laugh , everybody knows that slavs came in the 6th century , illyrians where there when you came who are known to be the descendants of Albanians. If you check carefully the map u`ll find an illyrian tribe named Albanoi from which came later the name.

(robert1899, 15 February 2013 15:12)
If albanians came during the yugoslav era , how come that there were Albanians living up to Nis until 1878? Dude your theory doesn`t make any sense. Albania didn`t exist us a country until 1912 because they had no allies like Serbia had everytime Russia backing up many slavic countries. They were considered like brothers , Albanians didn`t have a superpower country of that likes that supported them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjak_of_Ni%C5%A1 Check this
I quote " Albanians were majority population in many areas of Sanjak of Niš, like Toplica region and some villages in district of Vranje, prior to the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878).[4]"

Explain to me that genius. Just because they didn`t have a country (due to no geopolitics support of that time) , doesn`t mean that land they inhabit for hundreds of years doesn`t belong to them.

winston

pre 11 godina

I think albanians are just trying to get back what belongs to them. - Iso.

Iso, what belongs to Albanians, besides Albania? What are they trying to get back, land? Well, who gave them that land? I look at ancient maps, and I do not see any country called Albania. Why is it that Albanians feel that most of the Balkans belong to them? If they think it's because they have an ancient history there, well, actually Bosnians have been in the Balkans a lot longer. It's been DNA proven. Maybe the Bosnians should demand all of the Balkans? Do you see how stupid that all sounds?

robert1899

pre 11 godina

How do you explain this? It`s not like Macedonia Serbia Montenegro are the Heaven in the economic aspect. The ones who migrated for economic reasons went to the Western Countries

Iso - compared to albania and the rest of the balkans (except Greece), Yugoslavia was a heavan in economic terms. Mirgrating to western countries was more difficult for albanians under there isolationist communist government, it was much easier to enter what was than Yugoslavia. Also, the high birth rate didn't hurt.

winston

pre 11 godina

Fikret, Albanians are not a race, they are an ethnicity. You are not a racist if you dislike the way Albanians conduct themselves. As for this Haradjinaj character, why are they honoring this guy anyway, what does he have to do with Macedonia?

iso

pre 11 godina

It`s interesting to see that the most hating comments come from people whose nation got some major albanian population , I think albanians are just trying to get back what belongs to them.

To all of you guys : Just find me a single nation in Europe which has half it population inside its country borders and the other half outside of it next to the neighbor countries. 3 mln in Albania 3 mln outside Albania. How do you explain this? It`s not like Macedonia Serbia Montenegro are the Heaven in the economic aspect. The ones who migrated for economic reasons went to the Western Countries.
Oh the so called "macedonians" until 1945 called themselves bulgarians.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I can only repeat myself: MikeC, you're simply a racist and that's it.
(Fikret, 15 February 2013 09:03)
========================
So what would you call these rabid Albanians who are hell bent on creating trouble all over the Balkan?

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55) "

I can only repeat myself: MikeC, you're simply a racist and that's it.

Sofronije

pre 11 godina

"A memorial for terrorists, honorary citizenship for a war criminal - Albanians never cease to amaze me :)"
@(J.Oker, 14 February 2013 20:45)
They don't care for own people, How they will be care for other? Great Albo general in the history George Maniakes is not known for them.
If Albo build any monument for them all Arnaut will be jump in Adriatic.

Ron

pre 11 godina

Unbelieveble... that you want such a person to be your honoury citizen...
It is time the Albanians in Macedonia start to focus on their country: Macedonia!

JoJo

pre 11 godina

First time when Albo com to the Balkan have total disaster in the Ohrid with Greaks. You are all the time with big power like Turks, Hitler or other to save your b... Albos practically & directly is not winner.

Nick

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55)

Happy Valentines Day to you, "Serb lover" :)) I see that your heart is filled with joy today. Let me remind you that you united and tried to crush us during the Balkan Wars in 1913, but we held our ground against all of you! What makes you think you would be successful in this day and age?!? Dream on, sucker.

@B92
What the heck is a "war crimes indictee acquitted"? Doesn't that mean "an innocent man"??

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 11 godina

What is it with Balkan people.. always trying to provoke each other.. and and at all levels..

As for the Haridanaj proposal, no need for it.. obviously 'A' particular party is attempting to rally for votes ahead of the march munciple elections in Macedonia..


Why doesn't the Albanian political block ever try and win votes based on an economic platform? the language is always about, free Albania, ethnic Albania, UCK, Flags, statues.. ect ect

Like seriously... do the ALbanians thrive on this stuff? arent they sick of it? we certainly are..

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Hardinaj received the accolade in Tetovo on February 4 - a week after ethnic Albanian councilors made their decision by acclamation, after Macedonian members of the Council left the session.
====================================

Nothing like doing it behind your back. Oh those sneaky Albanians.
You would think that they would be grateful to Macedonia for their recognition and not make trouble there too.
No loyalty, no gratitude and no honour.

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC

Why don't you. Make sure you get Ari involved.

gjon fusha

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55)

We have seen so many times, you guys coming and fighting Albanians but never won. Last time was Milloshevic. Not only he took his tale under his legs but he also lost his life in Hague. By the way all your criminal government is in vacation in Hague as well. As for you, can unite with winston and J'oker virtually as much as you like.
If you ask me, I would say forget about albanians you priority now is to keep Vojvodina and Sanxhak inside Serbia.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

My sincere regards to the Macedonian seniors, women and children who will be physically and sexually assaulted because of this decision. To the men in Macedonia, you are safe. Albanians don't like conflict with men.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

My sincere regards to the Macedonian seniors, women and children who will be physically and sexually assaulted because of this decision. To the men in Macedonia, you are safe. Albanians don't like conflict with men.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I can only repeat myself: MikeC, you're simply a racist and that's it.
(Fikret, 15 February 2013 09:03)
========================
So what would you call these rabid Albanians who are hell bent on creating trouble all over the Balkan?

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 11 godina

What is it with Balkan people.. always trying to provoke each other.. and and at all levels..

As for the Haridanaj proposal, no need for it.. obviously 'A' particular party is attempting to rally for votes ahead of the march munciple elections in Macedonia..


Why doesn't the Albanian political block ever try and win votes based on an economic platform? the language is always about, free Albania, ethnic Albania, UCK, Flags, statues.. ect ect

Like seriously... do the ALbanians thrive on this stuff? arent they sick of it? we certainly are..

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Hardinaj received the accolade in Tetovo on February 4 - a week after ethnic Albanian councilors made their decision by acclamation, after Macedonian members of the Council left the session.
====================================

Nothing like doing it behind your back. Oh those sneaky Albanians.
You would think that they would be grateful to Macedonia for their recognition and not make trouble there too.
No loyalty, no gratitude and no honour.

JoJo

pre 11 godina

First time when Albo com to the Balkan have total disaster in the Ohrid with Greaks. You are all the time with big power like Turks, Hitler or other to save your b... Albos practically & directly is not winner.

gjon fusha

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55)

We have seen so many times, you guys coming and fighting Albanians but never won. Last time was Milloshevic. Not only he took his tale under his legs but he also lost his life in Hague. By the way all your criminal government is in vacation in Hague as well. As for you, can unite with winston and J'oker virtually as much as you like.
If you ask me, I would say forget about albanians you priority now is to keep Vojvodina and Sanxhak inside Serbia.

Ron

pre 11 godina

Unbelieveble... that you want such a person to be your honoury citizen...
It is time the Albanians in Macedonia start to focus on their country: Macedonia!

Sofronije

pre 11 godina

"A memorial for terrorists, honorary citizenship for a war criminal - Albanians never cease to amaze me :)"
@(J.Oker, 14 February 2013 20:45)
They don't care for own people, How they will be care for other? Great Albo general in the history George Maniakes is not known for them.
If Albo build any monument for them all Arnaut will be jump in Adriatic.

winston

pre 11 godina

Fikret, Albanians are not a race, they are an ethnicity. You are not a racist if you dislike the way Albanians conduct themselves. As for this Haradjinaj character, why are they honoring this guy anyway, what does he have to do with Macedonia?

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Iso

Oh my God! A Wikipedia link is the best you could find to prove albs were in the balkans before everyone else. Lets say for arguments sake that albs were here before everyone else. In that case lets back history and all nations of today should return territory to the way it was in the 13 th century, including your biggest sponsor the americans who would be left without a country. You are an dumba.s and your views is the view of a trouble maker. You want to steal more Serbian land, then come and get it.

winston

pre 11 godina

Iso, I do not know what map you are looking, nor does it matter. Recent findings suggest that Bosnians are true descendants of the ancient Illyrians, and not the Albanians as you all claim. There are way too many theories as to where Albanians came from, to simply believe the folk tale that Shiptars espouse. Please read the link here, it is just one of many on the internet, regarding the ancient peoples of the Balkans. There is a claim that Albanians originally came from Sicily, and lands before that. That makes the most sense to me, both chronically, and characteristically. There is no evidence of an ancient Albanian peoples on the Balkans, no artifacts, no writings, no paintings, no structures, nothing. Why? I have read extensively on the origins of the Balkans people, pure interest without bias, and the latest proof shows that the Albanian claim to ancient Illyrians is simply not true. Just like the claim that Kosovo belongs to Albanians.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-48562.html

winston

pre 11 godina

Iso, you are fighting a losing battle. Modern day DNA analysis simply does not support Albanians' claim to being descendants of ancient Illyrians in the Balkans. The Illyrians were a nomadic tribe, that covered pretty much the entirety of today's Balkan peninsula, and the most closely matched DNA analysis of their descendants are the modern day Bosnians. You can argue till you are blue in the face, but it is pretty hard to go up against DNA. Read a bit about Halogroup research, and you will gain a better understanding. The Albanian claim that they were in the Balkans before Christianity, without any kind of physical proof, was always a bit hard to accept. Today's science has validated that disbelief. Never be ashamed of where you come from, or of your origins. If it was the near or middle east, fine, but be proud. Kosovo is still a land of many different ethnic inhabitants, and should stay that way - not just Albanian, especially since you are not indigenous to the land.

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC

Why don't you. Make sure you get Ari involved.

winston

pre 11 godina

I think albanians are just trying to get back what belongs to them. - Iso.

Iso, what belongs to Albanians, besides Albania? What are they trying to get back, land? Well, who gave them that land? I look at ancient maps, and I do not see any country called Albania. Why is it that Albanians feel that most of the Balkans belong to them? If they think it's because they have an ancient history there, well, actually Bosnians have been in the Balkans a lot longer. It's been DNA proven. Maybe the Bosnians should demand all of the Balkans? Do you see how stupid that all sounds?

robert1899

pre 11 godina

How do you explain this? It`s not like Macedonia Serbia Montenegro are the Heaven in the economic aspect. The ones who migrated for economic reasons went to the Western Countries

Iso - compared to albania and the rest of the balkans (except Greece), Yugoslavia was a heavan in economic terms. Mirgrating to western countries was more difficult for albanians under there isolationist communist government, it was much easier to enter what was than Yugoslavia. Also, the high birth rate didn't hurt.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

Nick

The First Balkan War was a united effort by Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece against the Ottoman Empire, in the Second the Serbs and Greeks started to fight the Bulgarians where even the Ottomans were fighting them. Those wars had extremely little to do with albania, your historical knowledge is appauling.

Iso

Your arguments are quite poor in strength. Even if there is a small albanian community near Nis, whats your point? There are some thousands of ethnic Serbs living in albania, not to mention the Germans in the Volga region in Russia, does this mean Germany should be allowed to expand to the Volga? Hitler tried to do this, albanians seem to have this quality in common with him. The Illyrian arguement that you albanians bark on about is extremely weak. Illyrians lived all over the Balkans including Dalmatia for example, albanians do not inhabit Dalmatia, but because Illyrians lived there I'm sure you will try and suggest that a greater albania should extend that far. Haplogroup research finds albanian genetics coming from what is today Turkmenistan, like where the Turks originally have come from. Always thought that both Turks and albanians had a lot in common.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

iso

You never answered my question! People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years. How should we solve that? Should america return its territory to the nativs? You think that just because albanians, serbs and macedonians live on the same territory it automaticaly belongs to only albs. You are seriously twisted. You managed to steal parts of Kosovo, trust me when I say that you won't be able to steal another inch of Christian land. You have always been a minority in the balkans but due to high birth rates lately you are overcrowding the balkans with famine and criminals. And if you talialbanians were in the balkans before the dinsours how come you haven't left anything behind? All older cultures left some trace of their exicstance but you albs left nothing. How come? Where did you live? Where did you worship you god? You are basing you history on articles that fit your own agenda instead of looking to internationally recognized history of the balkans. All of the sudden this wikipedia serbs is correct, if another serb would write the oposite he would of course be wrong, why? Because their views don't fit your agenda. You are nothing but troublemakers. I bet a lot of western countries are angry at themselves for not letting Milosevic stay in power and hadle the alb problem once and for all.

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Iso Genius, Maybe your masters the USA might be able to explain it better, the native americans inhabited the land of the current USA for centuries before the United States was formed yet they are ruled over by the US government.

Scepticism

pre 11 godina

Albanians become more and more aggressive, driven by the support of their pimps like Germany and the US. The problem they have however is that they cannot differentiate between having a pimp and being the pimp. Albanians therefore started thinking that they ARE as strong as their pimps.

All nations of the Balkans have to unite, forming an anti-Albanian front. The objective of this front would be the return of land currently illegally occupied by Albanians.

Albanians, we are looking for you!

iso

pre 11 godina

It`s interesting to see that the most hating comments come from people whose nation got some major albanian population , I think albanians are just trying to get back what belongs to them.

To all of you guys : Just find me a single nation in Europe which has half it population inside its country borders and the other half outside of it next to the neighbor countries. 3 mln in Albania 3 mln outside Albania. How do you explain this? It`s not like Macedonia Serbia Montenegro are the Heaven in the economic aspect. The ones who migrated for economic reasons went to the Western Countries.
Oh the so called "macedonians" until 1945 called themselves bulgarians.

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55) "

I can only repeat myself: MikeC, you're simply a racist and that's it.

Metodije

pre 11 godina

@winston, 15 February 2013 18:05)

Do this link albo will have heart attak...Tahnks
before make any claim for Balkan, Albo must see first Sicily home.

Nick

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55)

Happy Valentines Day to you, "Serb lover" :)) I see that your heart is filled with joy today. Let me remind you that you united and tried to crush us during the Balkan Wars in 1913, but we held our ground against all of you! What makes you think you would be successful in this day and age?!? Dream on, sucker.

@B92
What the heck is a "war crimes indictee acquitted"? Doesn't that mean "an innocent man"??

iso

pre 11 godina

(winston, 15 February 2013 15:09)
Bosnians older than Albanians? Don`t make me laugh , everybody knows that slavs came in the 6th century , illyrians where there when you came who are known to be the descendants of Albanians. If you check carefully the map u`ll find an illyrian tribe named Albanoi from which came later the name.

(robert1899, 15 February 2013 15:12)
If albanians came during the yugoslav era , how come that there were Albanians living up to Nis until 1878? Dude your theory doesn`t make any sense. Albania didn`t exist us a country until 1912 because they had no allies like Serbia had everytime Russia backing up many slavic countries. They were considered like brothers , Albanians didn`t have a superpower country of that likes that supported them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjak_of_Ni%C5%A1 Check this
I quote " Albanians were majority population in many areas of Sanjak of Niš, like Toplica region and some villages in district of Vranje, prior to the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878).[4]"

Explain to me that genius. Just because they didn`t have a country (due to no geopolitics support of that time) , doesn`t mean that land they inhabit for hundreds of years doesn`t belong to them.

iso

pre 11 godina

MikeC

"Oh my God! A Wikipedia link is the best you could find to prove albs were in the balkans before everyone else" Lol did u even check the source?
It`s Dušan T. Bataković book "Kosovo and Metohija: living in the enclave"
http://books.google.com/books?ei=jL0BTpjyGomZ8QPc1NSvDQ&ct=result&id=eGM_AQAAIAAJ&dq=%22sanjak+of+Ni%C5%A1%22&q=emptied+after#search_anchor Page 35 He clearly writes what I told you in the previous post.

I hope your eyes don`t get out while reading it. It was written by a serbian historian Dušan T. Bataković Director of the Institute for Balkan Studies at the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts.

Nothing more to say, owning you through using your own countries sources don`t you feel ashamed. Stop embarrassing yourself , your theory is illogical. Albanians didn`t come from Albania they were there already as autochthonous people .

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"Fikret, Albanians are not a race, they are an ethnicity. You are not a racist if you dislike the way Albanians conduct themselves. "

Gimme a break. So you're seriously defending statements of a person who thinks "Alb provocation" is a "cancer that must be crushed"? You're seriously trying to say Mike is not a racist - because Albanians are an ethnicity rather than a biological race? Did you follow his hate filled remarks over the months?

You must be kidding!

mitsos

pre 11 godina

The most important thing ,is that the european elite has not yet understood, the Balkans "explosive" historic background,neither has learned from the historic past . The recent 15 years, the rising of nationalism and populism in Balkans is a reality .After the 100th anniversary ,of the end of balkans wars ,The borders in Balkans seems to be not permanently in the minds of some balkanian leaders, Even if , have no military power, their propaganda network has invented "fraternal populations" who are "under occupation" in the neighboring countries,or even, comical historical claims that have no logical link with ,the so far known ancient or medieval or modern history of european civilizations !!these mechanisms , have started publishing or borrowing from the past eras , expansionistic and irredentist maps, showing to the public their national "territorial inspirations" for the so called "great country" or "united ethnicity" Those maps are not only existing in the media and the web, but also in their schools , and this is terrible ! I think it is time for the europeans to take measures, instead of talks and friendly caresses before its to late for peace ! Today's period in balkans has many similarities with 1900-1913 for those who are studing histoy

mitsos

pre 11 godina

(MikeC, 15 February 2013 22:07) Writing for BALKAN NATIONS AND " People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years" you are giving the impression, to the readers that the mentioned by you nations (albanians, serbs and "macedonians") were living in balkans in that era !!!!! I ,have included in quotes the name macedonians since such ethnicity is never mentioned in history books but only after 19th century.So you must not mix the regional identification of local people in the wide macedonia territory with balkans ethnicities

iso

pre 11 godina

(MikeC, 15 February 2013 17:36)
Genius , I didn`t say give Albanians all the territories they used to inhabit because that`d be unrealistic , the land they inhabit at the moment is more than enough :)

gjon fusha

pre 11 godina

Reading all Serbian messages here one can conclude that Milloshevich was just doing what his nation wanted. What I do not understand is why when it comes to bombing Serbia, you Serbians crying as unjust. Funny commentator is that one that wants a all nation around Kosova to be united in order to clean that from Albanians. In same time he forget that all those nations has recognize Kosova except Serbia itself.
As Albanian saying goes: caravan has to move doesn't matter that dogs are barking.

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"So what would you call these rabid Albanians who are hell bent on creating trouble all over the Balkan?
(Peggy, 15 February 2013 10:45) "

This reminds me of the way western press described Serbs in the 1990s. Food for thougts, Peggy.

icj1

pre 11 godina

You never answered my question! People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years. How should we solve that? Should america return its territory to the nativs? You think that just because albanians, serbs and macedonians live on the same territory it automaticaly belongs to only albs. You are seriously twisted. You managed to steal parts of Kosovo, trust me when I say that you won't be able to steal another inch of Christian land.
(MikeC, 15 February 2013 22:07)

Welcome to the world, dear.... Yes, Albanians stole the land from X, Serbs stole it from Y, Americans stole it from Z, and so on. All countries have stolen the land from somebody else who was there before them. I know, it's unfair, but this is the world, dear. You are certainly welcome to create a virtual reality if you don't like it :)

gjon fusha

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55)

We have seen so many times, you guys coming and fighting Albanians but never won. Last time was Milloshevic. Not only he took his tale under his legs but he also lost his life in Hague. By the way all your criminal government is in vacation in Hague as well. As for you, can unite with winston and J'oker virtually as much as you like.
If you ask me, I would say forget about albanians you priority now is to keep Vojvodina and Sanxhak inside Serbia.

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC

Why don't you. Make sure you get Ari involved.

Nick

pre 11 godina

Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55)

Happy Valentines Day to you, "Serb lover" :)) I see that your heart is filled with joy today. Let me remind you that you united and tried to crush us during the Balkan Wars in 1913, but we held our ground against all of you! What makes you think you would be successful in this day and age?!? Dream on, sucker.

@B92
What the heck is a "war crimes indictee acquitted"? Doesn't that mean "an innocent man"??

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"Alb provocations are spreading to other Balkan nations. Its time to unite and crush this cancer.
(MikeC, 14 February 2013 20:55) "

I can only repeat myself: MikeC, you're simply a racist and that's it.

iso

pre 11 godina

(winston, 15 February 2013 15:09)
Bosnians older than Albanians? Don`t make me laugh , everybody knows that slavs came in the 6th century , illyrians where there when you came who are known to be the descendants of Albanians. If you check carefully the map u`ll find an illyrian tribe named Albanoi from which came later the name.

(robert1899, 15 February 2013 15:12)
If albanians came during the yugoslav era , how come that there were Albanians living up to Nis until 1878? Dude your theory doesn`t make any sense. Albania didn`t exist us a country until 1912 because they had no allies like Serbia had everytime Russia backing up many slavic countries. They were considered like brothers , Albanians didn`t have a superpower country of that likes that supported them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjak_of_Ni%C5%A1 Check this
I quote " Albanians were majority population in many areas of Sanjak of Niš, like Toplica region and some villages in district of Vranje, prior to the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878).[4]"

Explain to me that genius. Just because they didn`t have a country (due to no geopolitics support of that time) , doesn`t mean that land they inhabit for hundreds of years doesn`t belong to them.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

My sincere regards to the Macedonian seniors, women and children who will be physically and sexually assaulted because of this decision. To the men in Macedonia, you are safe. Albanians don't like conflict with men.

iso

pre 11 godina

(MikeC, 15 February 2013 17:36)
Genius , I didn`t say give Albanians all the territories they used to inhabit because that`d be unrealistic , the land they inhabit at the moment is more than enough :)

iso

pre 11 godina

MikeC

"Oh my God! A Wikipedia link is the best you could find to prove albs were in the balkans before everyone else" Lol did u even check the source?
It`s Dušan T. Bataković book "Kosovo and Metohija: living in the enclave"
http://books.google.com/books?ei=jL0BTpjyGomZ8QPc1NSvDQ&ct=result&id=eGM_AQAAIAAJ&dq=%22sanjak+of+Ni%C5%A1%22&q=emptied+after#search_anchor Page 35 He clearly writes what I told you in the previous post.

I hope your eyes don`t get out while reading it. It was written by a serbian historian Dušan T. Bataković Director of the Institute for Balkan Studies at the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts.

Nothing more to say, owning you through using your own countries sources don`t you feel ashamed. Stop embarrassing yourself , your theory is illogical. Albanians didn`t come from Albania they were there already as autochthonous people .

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I can only repeat myself: MikeC, you're simply a racist and that's it.
(Fikret, 15 February 2013 09:03)
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So what would you call these rabid Albanians who are hell bent on creating trouble all over the Balkan?

iso

pre 11 godina

It`s interesting to see that the most hating comments come from people whose nation got some major albanian population , I think albanians are just trying to get back what belongs to them.

To all of you guys : Just find me a single nation in Europe which has half it population inside its country borders and the other half outside of it next to the neighbor countries. 3 mln in Albania 3 mln outside Albania. How do you explain this? It`s not like Macedonia Serbia Montenegro are the Heaven in the economic aspect. The ones who migrated for economic reasons went to the Western Countries.
Oh the so called "macedonians" until 1945 called themselves bulgarians.

JoJo

pre 11 godina

First time when Albo com to the Balkan have total disaster in the Ohrid with Greaks. You are all the time with big power like Turks, Hitler or other to save your b... Albos practically & directly is not winner.

Ron

pre 11 godina

Unbelieveble... that you want such a person to be your honoury citizen...
It is time the Albanians in Macedonia start to focus on their country: Macedonia!

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Hardinaj received the accolade in Tetovo on February 4 - a week after ethnic Albanian councilors made their decision by acclamation, after Macedonian members of the Council left the session.
====================================

Nothing like doing it behind your back. Oh those sneaky Albanians.
You would think that they would be grateful to Macedonia for their recognition and not make trouble there too.
No loyalty, no gratitude and no honour.

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 11 godina

What is it with Balkan people.. always trying to provoke each other.. and and at all levels..

As for the Haridanaj proposal, no need for it.. obviously 'A' particular party is attempting to rally for votes ahead of the march munciple elections in Macedonia..


Why doesn't the Albanian political block ever try and win votes based on an economic platform? the language is always about, free Albania, ethnic Albania, UCK, Flags, statues.. ect ect

Like seriously... do the ALbanians thrive on this stuff? arent they sick of it? we certainly are..

winston

pre 11 godina

Fikret, Albanians are not a race, they are an ethnicity. You are not a racist if you dislike the way Albanians conduct themselves. As for this Haradjinaj character, why are they honoring this guy anyway, what does he have to do with Macedonia?

Sofronije

pre 11 godina

"A memorial for terrorists, honorary citizenship for a war criminal - Albanians never cease to amaze me :)"
@(J.Oker, 14 February 2013 20:45)
They don't care for own people, How they will be care for other? Great Albo general in the history George Maniakes is not known for them.
If Albo build any monument for them all Arnaut will be jump in Adriatic.

winston

pre 11 godina

I think albanians are just trying to get back what belongs to them. - Iso.

Iso, what belongs to Albanians, besides Albania? What are they trying to get back, land? Well, who gave them that land? I look at ancient maps, and I do not see any country called Albania. Why is it that Albanians feel that most of the Balkans belong to them? If they think it's because they have an ancient history there, well, actually Bosnians have been in the Balkans a lot longer. It's been DNA proven. Maybe the Bosnians should demand all of the Balkans? Do you see how stupid that all sounds?

robert1899

pre 11 godina

How do you explain this? It`s not like Macedonia Serbia Montenegro are the Heaven in the economic aspect. The ones who migrated for economic reasons went to the Western Countries

Iso - compared to albania and the rest of the balkans (except Greece), Yugoslavia was a heavan in economic terms. Mirgrating to western countries was more difficult for albanians under there isolationist communist government, it was much easier to enter what was than Yugoslavia. Also, the high birth rate didn't hurt.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Iso

Oh my God! A Wikipedia link is the best you could find to prove albs were in the balkans before everyone else. Lets say for arguments sake that albs were here before everyone else. In that case lets back history and all nations of today should return territory to the way it was in the 13 th century, including your biggest sponsor the americans who would be left without a country. You are an dumba.s and your views is the view of a trouble maker. You want to steal more Serbian land, then come and get it.

gjon fusha

pre 11 godina

Reading all Serbian messages here one can conclude that Milloshevich was just doing what his nation wanted. What I do not understand is why when it comes to bombing Serbia, you Serbians crying as unjust. Funny commentator is that one that wants a all nation around Kosova to be united in order to clean that from Albanians. In same time he forget that all those nations has recognize Kosova except Serbia itself.
As Albanian saying goes: caravan has to move doesn't matter that dogs are barking.

winston

pre 11 godina

Iso, I do not know what map you are looking, nor does it matter. Recent findings suggest that Bosnians are true descendants of the ancient Illyrians, and not the Albanians as you all claim. There are way too many theories as to where Albanians came from, to simply believe the folk tale that Shiptars espouse. Please read the link here, it is just one of many on the internet, regarding the ancient peoples of the Balkans. There is a claim that Albanians originally came from Sicily, and lands before that. That makes the most sense to me, both chronically, and characteristically. There is no evidence of an ancient Albanian peoples on the Balkans, no artifacts, no writings, no paintings, no structures, nothing. Why? I have read extensively on the origins of the Balkans people, pure interest without bias, and the latest proof shows that the Albanian claim to ancient Illyrians is simply not true. Just like the claim that Kosovo belongs to Albanians.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-48562.html

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"Fikret, Albanians are not a race, they are an ethnicity. You are not a racist if you dislike the way Albanians conduct themselves. "

Gimme a break. So you're seriously defending statements of a person who thinks "Alb provocation" is a "cancer that must be crushed"? You're seriously trying to say Mike is not a racist - because Albanians are an ethnicity rather than a biological race? Did you follow his hate filled remarks over the months?

You must be kidding!

Fikret

pre 11 godina

"So what would you call these rabid Albanians who are hell bent on creating trouble all over the Balkan?
(Peggy, 15 February 2013 10:45) "

This reminds me of the way western press described Serbs in the 1990s. Food for thougts, Peggy.

icj1

pre 11 godina

You never answered my question! People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years. How should we solve that? Should america return its territory to the nativs? You think that just because albanians, serbs and macedonians live on the same territory it automaticaly belongs to only albs. You are seriously twisted. You managed to steal parts of Kosovo, trust me when I say that you won't be able to steal another inch of Christian land.
(MikeC, 15 February 2013 22:07)

Welcome to the world, dear.... Yes, Albanians stole the land from X, Serbs stole it from Y, Americans stole it from Z, and so on. All countries have stolen the land from somebody else who was there before them. I know, it's unfair, but this is the world, dear. You are certainly welcome to create a virtual reality if you don't like it :)

robert1899

pre 11 godina

Iso Genius, Maybe your masters the USA might be able to explain it better, the native americans inhabited the land of the current USA for centuries before the United States was formed yet they are ruled over by the US government.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

Nick

The First Balkan War was a united effort by Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece against the Ottoman Empire, in the Second the Serbs and Greeks started to fight the Bulgarians where even the Ottomans were fighting them. Those wars had extremely little to do with albania, your historical knowledge is appauling.

Iso

Your arguments are quite poor in strength. Even if there is a small albanian community near Nis, whats your point? There are some thousands of ethnic Serbs living in albania, not to mention the Germans in the Volga region in Russia, does this mean Germany should be allowed to expand to the Volga? Hitler tried to do this, albanians seem to have this quality in common with him. The Illyrian arguement that you albanians bark on about is extremely weak. Illyrians lived all over the Balkans including Dalmatia for example, albanians do not inhabit Dalmatia, but because Illyrians lived there I'm sure you will try and suggest that a greater albania should extend that far. Haplogroup research finds albanian genetics coming from what is today Turkmenistan, like where the Turks originally have come from. Always thought that both Turks and albanians had a lot in common.

winston

pre 11 godina

Iso, you are fighting a losing battle. Modern day DNA analysis simply does not support Albanians' claim to being descendants of ancient Illyrians in the Balkans. The Illyrians were a nomadic tribe, that covered pretty much the entirety of today's Balkan peninsula, and the most closely matched DNA analysis of their descendants are the modern day Bosnians. You can argue till you are blue in the face, but it is pretty hard to go up against DNA. Read a bit about Halogroup research, and you will gain a better understanding. The Albanian claim that they were in the Balkans before Christianity, without any kind of physical proof, was always a bit hard to accept. Today's science has validated that disbelief. Never be ashamed of where you come from, or of your origins. If it was the near or middle east, fine, but be proud. Kosovo is still a land of many different ethnic inhabitants, and should stay that way - not just Albanian, especially since you are not indigenous to the land.

Metodije

pre 11 godina

@winston, 15 February 2013 18:05)

Do this link albo will have heart attak...Tahnks
before make any claim for Balkan, Albo must see first Sicily home.

Scepticism

pre 11 godina

Albanians become more and more aggressive, driven by the support of their pimps like Germany and the US. The problem they have however is that they cannot differentiate between having a pimp and being the pimp. Albanians therefore started thinking that they ARE as strong as their pimps.

All nations of the Balkans have to unite, forming an anti-Albanian front. The objective of this front would be the return of land currently illegally occupied by Albanians.

Albanians, we are looking for you!

MikeC

pre 11 godina

iso

You never answered my question! People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years. How should we solve that? Should america return its territory to the nativs? You think that just because albanians, serbs and macedonians live on the same territory it automaticaly belongs to only albs. You are seriously twisted. You managed to steal parts of Kosovo, trust me when I say that you won't be able to steal another inch of Christian land. You have always been a minority in the balkans but due to high birth rates lately you are overcrowding the balkans with famine and criminals. And if you talialbanians were in the balkans before the dinsours how come you haven't left anything behind? All older cultures left some trace of their exicstance but you albs left nothing. How come? Where did you live? Where did you worship you god? You are basing you history on articles that fit your own agenda instead of looking to internationally recognized history of the balkans. All of the sudden this wikipedia serbs is correct, if another serb would write the oposite he would of course be wrong, why? Because their views don't fit your agenda. You are nothing but troublemakers. I bet a lot of western countries are angry at themselves for not letting Milosevic stay in power and hadle the alb problem once and for all.

mitsos

pre 11 godina

The most important thing ,is that the european elite has not yet understood, the Balkans "explosive" historic background,neither has learned from the historic past . The recent 15 years, the rising of nationalism and populism in Balkans is a reality .After the 100th anniversary ,of the end of balkans wars ,The borders in Balkans seems to be not permanently in the minds of some balkanian leaders, Even if , have no military power, their propaganda network has invented "fraternal populations" who are "under occupation" in the neighboring countries,or even, comical historical claims that have no logical link with ,the so far known ancient or medieval or modern history of european civilizations !!these mechanisms , have started publishing or borrowing from the past eras , expansionistic and irredentist maps, showing to the public their national "territorial inspirations" for the so called "great country" or "united ethnicity" Those maps are not only existing in the media and the web, but also in their schools , and this is terrible ! I think it is time for the europeans to take measures, instead of talks and friendly caresses before its to late for peace ! Today's period in balkans has many similarities with 1900-1913 for those who are studing histoy

mitsos

pre 11 godina

(MikeC, 15 February 2013 22:07) Writing for BALKAN NATIONS AND " People in Europe have swapped territory over the last 2000 years" you are giving the impression, to the readers that the mentioned by you nations (albanians, serbs and "macedonians") were living in balkans in that era !!!!! I ,have included in quotes the name macedonians since such ethnicity is never mentioned in history books but only after 19th century.So you must not mix the regional identification of local people in the wide macedonia territory with balkans ethnicities