Recognition of Kosovo “could be condition” for Serbia

With leaders from European countries contradicting each other on a daily basis over wether Serbia needs to recognize KiM, it no surprise that the EU is in such a mess it is today.

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.

If it is not in the acquis communautaire, then it cannot be an official condition. Brussels has already stretched 'good neighborly relations' far beyond the legal and linguistic limits, but if Brussels ever gave a real s*** about EU law and accession rules, Romania and Bulgaria would never have been allowed to join.

Brussels is the joke that just keeps giving.

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.
(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

I beg to differ. Kosova craves Serbia's legal recognition. Until then it is in limbo land. Thats a fact. It cannot go anywhere without the nod from Serbia. Its called a bilateral agreement. One just needs to look at what happened with Rhodesia.

Mutual recognition is the next step for good neighborly relations.

Tung,

All focused on what Germany and Merkel want, we completely forgot about France. And the UK. And Sweden. And Finland. And...17 others. Wait, wait, it's 18 with Croatia.

Bekim

I am not sure if you are an Albanian. Secondly I can personally guarantee you no one will give a damn. Since you do live in Serbia, you should know that these talks are far more crucial for Serbia than Kosova. We are independent, do you see Serbs ruling Kosova in any way? Get real man, wake up the 90's have been over for a while now. You and many other Serbs stuck in 1999 have got to move on, it is only entertaining everyone else when you make comments like that.

PEACE

Very strange. As there are already countries in the EU that do not recognize Kosovo...

The EU policy is to only accept mature countries that don have issues, the only country that was allowd to join was cyprus wich has issus with turkey.

I personally never belive that Serbia can join EU before recognising Kosovo. It is not a mater of if EU lets them join EU without recognition or not but it is also a legal issue.

For instance if Serbia want to join the EU they have to send their map to EU, EU will not accept Serbia together with Kosovo.

Serbia has to join without Kosovo, If Serbia accepts to join without Kosovo the will have to recognise it neighbour or EU Cant let them in since it is a posibility of armed conflict where EU and Nato are involved.

So even if all EU wanted Serbia to join it is impossible without recognizing Kosovo.

If Serbia will not recognize Kosovo Serbia will get stuck and Kosovo might join before Serbia, If Kosovo joins before Serbia than there will also bee problem for Serbia to join later if it dose not recognise Kosovo.

In reality Serbias recognition is not of any importance for EU or Kosov but if Serbia want to join they can not claim other territory wich in other words mean potential war in the future and no one in EU will accept trouble countries no matter if it is Serbia or Kosovo or Albania.

Eu is a Union of peace, trade so you cant join peace and free trade while you talkin war and isolation.

Monday: Serbia does not have to recognise Kosovo to join the EU.

Wednesday : Serbia might have to recognise Kosovo to Join the EU.

Thursday : Recognising Kosovo not a pre condition for joining EU.

Saturday : No EU entry for Serbia without Recognising Kosovo.

Monday again: Recognising Kosovo not essential for Serbia to Join the EU.

Summary : Get a life.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there are official conditions for the start (and completion) of talks set by Brussels but individual member states also retain the right to veto membership for any reason. They do not even have to give the reason. Therefore it is possible for the European Commission to say that Serbia does not have to recognise Kosovo in order for talks to start but for any one of the individual countries to make it clear that they will insist on recognition before agreeing not to veto membership. It cannot be an official condition that Serbia has to recognise Kosovo while 5 current members have not done so. This is all very simple even if it is hard to accept.

Robert1899, 13 February 2013 12:55)
Ask 4000 people their opinion and chances are you will get 4000 different opinions.
All these people are giving their personal opinion and none are giving "official responses"

So for u who wrote that kosovo is independent, go to bed. You are not but it is the only way to make people in kosovo be calm kosovo is serbia punto!! This is proooofff that kosovo is serbia;)

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.
(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

Well, that's why you're on Serbia-Kosovo topics day and night.

(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

Impulsively I would tend to agree with you. But good neighbourly relations are very important, for both neighbours of course.

For those of you who claim Kosovo is not independent I dare you answer this question:
How come there are no Serbian soldiers or policemen patroling the street of Prishtina or other cities?

Oh, wait. Kosovo is under temporary occupation and it will be liberated at some future date by .., by..., by whom?

This is what you should really be concerned about, the integration process into the 4th reich.

“This is what we really advocate, what the previous Serbian government advocated and what the next government will advocate after us, because we want the European integration process to become irreversible,” Grubješić noted.

However, the deputy PM added that not only France had such position but some other EU member states as well and that they thought that Serbia would have to recognize the “reality” in Kosovo or to actually recognize its independence before it joined the EU.

Serbia is seen as a factor of destability in the Balkans. The main goal of Serbs as a nation is to rule over Albanians in Kosovo or to ethnically clean it from them. It will not happen for as long as this part of the world is under western influence. Serbia in EU only when Kosovo in UN.

Recognition is already done the Constitution just has to be changed to reflect the fact. Dacic and nikolic are both strident Kosovo independence supporters as meetings and conferences and customs and diplomas and ambassadors show.

Proof that Kosovo isn't independent is seen every day at this forum. I don't see droves of croats, bosnians, macedonians and montenegrins coming here to convince the world they are independent. Albanians on the other hand are so unsure of what Kosovo is that they come here 24/7 to convince serbs and the rest of the world to give up its land for Eu integration. As long as you continue to come here we know we have you by the ba.ls.

...and who has honestly thought any different? care to explain to me, how Serbia can go the the EU without recognizing Kosova?

Very strange. As there are already countries in the EU that do not recognize Kosovo...
(Ron, 13 February 2013 15:35
Why is it strange Ron? It takes 27 soon to be 28 yes's to join and 22 soon to be 23 of those say Kosovo is an independent country and you think they are just going to say nevermind our interests come on in Serbia with your province that we call an independent nation?

Common comparation what Albo do:
If Albo is born in Serbian land (Kosovo) that Albo land.
But, If albo is born in the any other country, taht's not Albo land.

Why is it strange Ron? It takes 27 soon to be 28 yes's to join and 22 soon to be 23 of those say Kosovo is an independent country and you think they are just going to say nevermind our interests come on in Serbia with your province that we call an independent nation?
(a New Day, 13 February 2013 19:26)

Well, you say it: 5 EU members do not recognize Kosovo. So they will never allow Kosovo to enter EU.

For those of you who claim Kosovo is not independent I dare you answer this question:
How come there are no Serbian soldiers or policemen patroling the street of Prishtina or other cities?

Oh, wait. Kosovo is under temporary occupation and it will be liberated at some future date by .., by..., by whom?
(cry me a river, 13 February 2013 19:26)

The best chances is Iran , led by Aytollah Khomeni.LOL
You are absolutely right , cry me river

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.
(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

Well, that's why you're on Serbia-Kosovo topics day and night.
(masterzoran, 13 February 2013 22:31)

That only shows that he/she cares about what's written in B92, as, I assume, you do :) Certainly it won't be the B92 posters who will decide whether Serbia will recognize Kosovo or not...

Oh, wait. Kosovo is under temporary occupation and it will be liberated at some future date by .., by..., by whom?
(cry me a river, 13 February 2013 19:26)

By Ari Gold... He will rise from his/her grave when the time comes in 500 years... Serbs are very patient people according to these forums and have no problem to wait for centuries :)

Well, you say it: 5 EU members do not recognize Kosovo. So they will never allow Kosovo to enter EU.
(Ron, 14 February 2013 04:27)
But we are talking about Serbia entering EU not Kosovo. You say with the 5 not recognizing Kosovo it will never get in, then how do you propose you will get 22 to say yes to Serbia when it is claiming Kosovo as part of Serbia while they say it is an independent state and are doing diplomatic business with Kosovo directly and not through Serbia?

But we are talking about Serbia entering EU not Kosovo. You say with the 5 not recognizing Kosovo it will never get in, then how do you propose you will get 22 to say yes to Serbia when it is claiming Kosovo as part of Serbia while they say it is an independent state and are doing diplomatic business with Kosovo directly and not through Serbia?
(a New Day, 14 February 2013 15:12)

Well, Turkey recognzies Northern Cyprus. Rest of NATO does not. Is this a problem for the rest of NATO? Well, not officially at least...

As long as Kosovo (which is part of Serbia) does not enter EU as an independent state there is no problem.
What I think will happen: Serbia will join EU. And Kosovo will be governed by EU as per 1244. And thus will be part of EU for all practcial issues. But Kosovo will not have its own EU 'seat'...

My guess :)

Ron, 14 February 2013 17:17)
Your analogy using Cyprus makes no sense unless you are pointing out the obvious and that is that Turkey would block Cyprus joining NATO while claimng North Cyprus. Like any or all of the 22 states would block Serbia if it wants to join claiming Kosovo. Which is exactly what I was saying. Unless you were thinking that Cyprus was already a NATO member, it is not.
But I agree with you on Kosovo joining the EU, they will find or create a way to have it part of the EU as far as an EU seat maybe yes, maybe no, since it is a hypothetical situation no one can say for sure.

Well, that's why you're on Serbia-Kosovo topics day and night.
(masterzoran, 13 February 2013 22:31)

That only shows that he/she cares about what's written in B92, as, I assume, you do
================================

And why do you care so much what the rest of us think if you know the "truth"?

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.

Mutual recognition is the next step for good neighborly relations.

Tung,

Bekim

I am not sure if you are an Albanian. Secondly I can personally guarantee you no one will give a damn. Since you do live in Serbia, you should know that these talks are far more crucial for Serbia than Kosova. We are independent, do you see Serbs ruling Kosova in any way? Get real man, wake up the 90's have been over for a while now. You and many other Serbs stuck in 1999 have got to move on, it is only entertaining everyone else when you make comments like that.

PEACE

The EU policy is to only accept mature countries that don have issues, the only country that was allowd to join was cyprus wich has issus with turkey.

I personally never belive that Serbia can join EU before recognising Kosovo. It is not a mater of if EU lets them join EU without recognition or not but it is also a legal issue.

For instance if Serbia want to join the EU they have to send their map to EU, EU will not accept Serbia together with Kosovo.

Serbia has to join without Kosovo, If Serbia accepts to join without Kosovo the will have to recognise it neighbour or EU Cant let them in since it is a posibility of armed conflict where EU and Nato are involved.

So even if all EU wanted Serbia to join it is impossible without recognizing Kosovo.

If Serbia will not recognize Kosovo Serbia will get stuck and Kosovo might join before Serbia, If Kosovo joins before Serbia than there will also bee problem for Serbia to join later if it dose not recognise Kosovo.

In reality Serbias recognition is not of any importance for EU or Kosov but if Serbia want to join they can not claim other territory wich in other words mean potential war in the future and no one in EU will accept trouble countries no matter if it is Serbia or Kosovo or Albania.

Eu is a Union of peace, trade so you cant join peace and free trade while you talkin war and isolation.

With leaders from European countries contradicting each other on a daily basis over wether Serbia needs to recognize KiM, it no surprise that the EU is in such a mess it is today.

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.
(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

I beg to differ. Kosova craves Serbia's legal recognition. Until then it is in limbo land. Thats a fact. It cannot go anywhere without the nod from Serbia. Its called a bilateral agreement. One just needs to look at what happened with Rhodesia.

For those of you who claim Kosovo is not independent I dare you answer this question:
How come there are no Serbian soldiers or policemen patroling the street of Prishtina or other cities?

Oh, wait. Kosovo is under temporary occupation and it will be liberated at some future date by .., by..., by whom?

If it is not in the acquis communautaire, then it cannot be an official condition. Brussels has already stretched 'good neighborly relations' far beyond the legal and linguistic limits, but if Brussels ever gave a real s*** about EU law and accession rules, Romania and Bulgaria would never have been allowed to join.

Brussels is the joke that just keeps giving.

Very strange. As there are already countries in the EU that do not recognize Kosovo...

Very strange. As there are already countries in the EU that do not recognize Kosovo...
(Ron, 13 February 2013 15:35
Why is it strange Ron? It takes 27 soon to be 28 yes's to join and 22 soon to be 23 of those say Kosovo is an independent country and you think they are just going to say nevermind our interests come on in Serbia with your province that we call an independent nation?

However, the deputy PM added that not only France had such position but some other EU member states as well and that they thought that Serbia would have to recognize the “reality” in Kosovo or to actually recognize its independence before it joined the EU.

Serbia is seen as a factor of destability in the Balkans. The main goal of Serbs as a nation is to rule over Albanians in Kosovo or to ethnically clean it from them. It will not happen for as long as this part of the world is under western influence. Serbia in EU only when Kosovo in UN.

Recognition is already done the Constitution just has to be changed to reflect the fact. Dacic and nikolic are both strident Kosovo independence supporters as meetings and conferences and customs and diplomas and ambassadors show.

Robert1899, 13 February 2013 12:55)
Ask 4000 people their opinion and chances are you will get 4000 different opinions.
All these people are giving their personal opinion and none are giving "official responses"

(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

Impulsively I would tend to agree with you. But good neighbourly relations are very important, for both neighbours of course.

All focused on what Germany and Merkel want, we completely forgot about France. And the UK. And Sweden. And Finland. And...17 others. Wait, wait, it's 18 with Croatia.

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.
(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

Well, that's why you're on Serbia-Kosovo topics day and night.

So for u who wrote that kosovo is independent, go to bed. You are not but it is the only way to make people in kosovo be calm kosovo is serbia punto!! This is proooofff that kosovo is serbia;)

For those of you who claim Kosovo is not independent I dare you answer this question:
How come there are no Serbian soldiers or policemen patroling the street of Prishtina or other cities?

Oh, wait. Kosovo is under temporary occupation and it will be liberated at some future date by .., by..., by whom?
(cry me a river, 13 February 2013 19:26)

The best chances is Iran , led by Aytollah Khomeni.LOL
You are absolutely right , cry me river

Oh, wait. Kosovo is under temporary occupation and it will be liberated at some future date by .., by..., by whom?
(cry me a river, 13 February 2013 19:26)

By Ari Gold... He will rise from his/her grave when the time comes in 500 years... Serbs are very patient people according to these forums and have no problem to wait for centuries :)

Proof that Kosovo isn't independent is seen every day at this forum. I don't see droves of croats, bosnians, macedonians and montenegrins coming here to convince the world they are independent. Albanians on the other hand are so unsure of what Kosovo is that they come here 24/7 to convince serbs and the rest of the world to give up its land for Eu integration. As long as you continue to come here we know we have you by the ba.ls.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there are official conditions for the start (and completion) of talks set by Brussels but individual member states also retain the right to veto membership for any reason. They do not even have to give the reason. Therefore it is possible for the European Commission to say that Serbia does not have to recognise Kosovo in order for talks to start but for any one of the individual countries to make it clear that they will insist on recognition before agreeing not to veto membership. It cannot be an official condition that Serbia has to recognise Kosovo while 5 current members have not done so. This is all very simple even if it is hard to accept.

There will not be a single Albanian celebrating when serbia recognizes Kosova, simply because we don't care what serbia thinks.
(KOSOVA, 13 February 2013 14:17)

Well, that's why you're on Serbia-Kosovo topics day and night.
(masterzoran, 13 February 2013 22:31)

That only shows that he/she cares about what's written in B92, as, I assume, you do :) Certainly it won't be the B92 posters who will decide whether Serbia will recognize Kosovo or not...

...and who has honestly thought any different? care to explain to me, how Serbia can go the the EU without recognizing Kosova?

This is what you should really be concerned about, the integration process into the 4th reich.

“This is what we really advocate, what the previous Serbian government advocated and what the next government will advocate after us, because we want the European integration process to become irreversible,” Grubješić noted.

Monday: Serbia does not have to recognise Kosovo to join the EU.

Wednesday : Serbia might have to recognise Kosovo to Join the EU.

Thursday : Recognising Kosovo not a pre condition for joining EU.

Saturday : No EU entry for Serbia without Recognising Kosovo.

Monday again: Recognising Kosovo not essential for Serbia to Join the EU.

Summary : Get a life.

Common comparation what Albo do:
If Albo is born in Serbian land (Kosovo) that Albo land.
But, If albo is born in the any other country, taht's not Albo land.

Why is it strange Ron? It takes 27 soon to be 28 yes's to join and 22 soon to be 23 of those say Kosovo is an independent country and you think they are just going to say nevermind our interests come on in Serbia with your province that we call an independent nation?
(a New Day, 13 February 2013 19:26)

Well, you say it: 5 EU members do not recognize Kosovo. So they will never allow Kosovo to enter EU.

Well, you say it: 5 EU members do not recognize Kosovo. So they will never allow Kosovo to enter EU.
(Ron, 14 February 2013 04:27)
But we are talking about Serbia entering EU not Kosovo. You say with the 5 not recognizing Kosovo it will never get in, then how do you propose you will get 22 to say yes to Serbia when it is claiming Kosovo as part of Serbia while they say it is an independent state and are doing diplomatic business with Kosovo directly and not through Serbia?

But we are talking about Serbia entering EU not Kosovo. You say with the 5 not recognizing Kosovo it will never get in, then how do you propose you will get 22 to say yes to Serbia when it is claiming Kosovo as part of Serbia while they say it is an independent state and are doing diplomatic business with Kosovo directly and not through Serbia?
(a New Day, 14 February 2013 15:12)

Well, Turkey recognzies Northern Cyprus. Rest of NATO does not. Is this a problem for the rest of NATO? Well, not officially at least...

As long as Kosovo (which is part of Serbia) does not enter EU as an independent state there is no problem.
What I think will happen: Serbia will join EU. And Kosovo will be governed by EU as per 1244. And thus will be part of EU for all practcial issues. But Kosovo will not have its own EU 'seat'...

My guess :)

Ron, 14 February 2013 17:17)
Your analogy using Cyprus makes no sense unless you are pointing out the obvious and that is that Turkey would block Cyprus joining NATO while claimng North Cyprus. Like any or all of the 22 states would block Serbia if it wants to join claiming Kosovo. Which is exactly what I was saying. Unless you were thinking that Cyprus was already a NATO member, it is not.
But I agree with you on Kosovo joining the EU, they will find or create a way to have it part of the EU as far as an EU seat maybe yes, maybe no, since it is a hypothetical situation no one can say for sure.

Well, that's why you're on Serbia-Kosovo topics day and night.
(masterzoran, 13 February 2013 22:31)

That only shows that he/she cares about what's written in B92, as, I assume, you do
================================

And why do you care so much what the rest of us think if you know the "truth"?