Serbian PM confers with UN secretary general

ICJ, I believe the N. Kosovo Serbs are against any fees that are collected at the administrative line go to Pristina. If the fees go solely to Serbia, they have no problem with that. The Serbs in the North do not recognize any Albanian authority on their land. That is point, not the administrative line fees.

The politicians since Kostunica left office have been extremely smart, I have to admit. Kostunica saw UNSC 1244 for what it is and condemned it and fought it everystep of the way.
The modern politicians have been able to brainwash the Serbian people into believing that UNSC 1244 was a proSerb document that was actually designed for Serbs and some even in here who are probably more educated than the general population of Serbia actually believe that Milosevic was instrumental in getting it passed. Although his words were to the UNSC if they pass this resolution it will mean the end to Yugoslavia(Serbia).

Now they can fly around the world and every head of state will agree that everything must be handled according to UNSC 1244, as they have read the actual document and know what it says.
It lays out the plan for developing a government for the whole of Kosovo, all of Kosovo under one customs and under one govt based in Pristina, a mandate for a political settlement of the "final status" of Kosovo (status was never predetermined)
The one that amazes me is the return of displaced persons, at the time of writing nearly all displaced persons were Albanian. Nearly all the Serbs made their exodus post 1244 when Serb police and military were forced back across the border so they actually left because of 1244.

pss, you not correct. Most of the displaced persons in KiM are Serbs. Ethnically cleansed from their homes in the 2004 pogroms, by crazed, vindictive Albanians - while all the internationals stood by and watched, by the way. It does not matter if the displaced are before or after the conception of 1244, they are still displaced. But in any case, all people that lived in KiM have a right to return to their homes. I think both sides twist 1244 to their liking. Bottom line is, the status of Kosovo remains unresolved, and may be for many years to come. I don't see BG politicians, and the Serbian people, waking up one day and saying, "what a beautiful day, let's give Kosovo to the Albanians".

"The Serbian prime minister pointed out the importance of UN's presence in Kosovo, stressing that Serbs trusted UNMIK the most. "

Yes, that's mostly true, but not all Serbs trust UNMIK since some of them refuse to obey UNMIK regulations which mandate the collection of customs duties at the Kosovo's boundaries for goods destined to Kosovo.

"The one that amazes me is the return of displaced persons, at the time of writing nearly all displaced persons were Albanian. Nearly all the Serbs made their exodus post 1244 when Serb police and military were forced back across the border so they actually left because of 1244."
(pss, 9 February 2013 13:11)

They didn't leave because of 1244, but because of fearing for their lives under constant threat by violent Albanian extremists - after 1244 and the peace agreement, to be reminded. The few Serbs who returned are still under threat from the Albanians, mostly by those who stole or usurped their property, even nowadays, more than 10 years after.

pss, although I categorically disagree with your statements and logic, you can have the last word. But one thing, Kosovo may not be Serbia's to give anymore, but neither is it the Albanians' to take. The rest is simply political ping pong.

(Comm. Parrisson, 9 February 2013 14:27)
Whether it was actual or perceived threats due to a fear of Retaliatory Attacks is a matter of contention. However they left after 1244 is my point.
winston, 9 February 2013 14:11)
Actually you are wrong, while some did leave then the bulk left with the exodus of military following 1244 for fear of retribution for 10 years of actions of Serbs against the Albanians. I agree I do not see the belgrade politicians waking up one day and giving Kosovo away, it is no longer theirs to give, the choice is actually is Kosovo an independent country or an international protectorate, it will never return to provincial status. But if you notice the polictians are systematically removing the barriers they will not "give" it away but let it "slip" away. Notice all the talk now is about UN membership, that is a long way from discussions of 2007.
I agree that ALL displaced persons should be able to return to Kosovo but the big decision is do they want to make Kosovo their home and exert their guaranteed rights in the participation of a Kosovo govt or not.

I do believe that Serbs and Albanians can eventually live in peace together, people never believed that Blacks and Whites could live together in peace and equality in the US at one time. There will always be rooted hatred but civility will prevail.

"I agree that ALL displaced persons should be able to return to Kosovo but the big decision is do they want to make Kosovo their home and exert their guaranteed rights in the participation of a Kosovo govt or not. "
(pss, 9 February 2013 15:01)

Most won't care about their 'guaranteed rights' and 'participation', they just want to live in peace in their hometowns, houses and apartments, without them or their children being attacked and harassed by Kosovo Albanians, without their property being stolen or homes burned down or vandalized when absent, and so on...

Most won't care about their 'guaranteed rights' and 'participation', they just want to live in peace in their hometowns, houses and apartments, without them or their children being attacked and harassed by Kosovo Albanians, without their property being stolen or homes burned down or vandalized when absent, and so on...
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 February 2013 20:24)

And that means exactly having rights... Unfortunately, we hear almost every day of attacks and harassment of Serbs in North Kosovo, where as our dear friend Ari Gold says, Albanians and the police cannot set foot.

Most of the displaced persons in KiM are Serbs. Ethnically cleansed from their homes in the 2004 pogroms, by crazed, vindictive Albanians - while all the internationals stood by and watched, by the way.
(winston, 9 February 2013 14:11)

Well, the internationals killed a few Albanians in the occasion, if that' what you meant by "stood by and watched". But probably they should have also hanged them and burned them at the stake to satisfy you...

Anyway, this alleged "ethnic cleansing" affected about 4100 Serbs (assuming the number provided by the Serbs is correct); i.e. about 0.2% of Kosovo's population and about 2% of the Serb population in Kosovo.

While committing acts causing even one single person to move is a crime (and dozens of people were convicted and jailed for that), it was not state sponsored and it affected a very, very small number of the population, even by Serbs' account. That pales to comparison with Slobodan's, state sponsored campaign to ethnically cleanse 50% of the Kosovo's population. That's why despite all Serbia's propoganda, the world failed to see this "ethnic cleansing" in 2004.

Icj the internationals and all NGOs stated casualties from the war war wasless than 10000 with almost 40 pct of those Serbs with 12 pct of the population also the vast majority of casualties occurred after Nato started its illegal bombing . Can you do the math? No minority in the world had rights like the Albanians. Only when kla terrorists started their campaign against Serbs and their own did things start getting tougher. As usual your propaganda is worthless.

(Jeff, 10 February 2013 13:27
Never seen a nonSerb report that stated that 40% of the victims were Serbian. Of course Serbian math puts 400,000 of the 250,000Serbs in Kosovo were ethnically cleansed!
I also remember watching the peaceful protest in 2008 in Belgrade where the masses looted and burned embassies. As I was watching the news station report the size of the gathering at 50,000 and then they went to a Serbian reporter and they were claiming 2 million. Then the desk reporter had to come back and say obviously there is some discrepancy to the numbers! I would have been rolling in the floor except the sadness of the fact that the crowds burned a McDonalds that was owned by Serbs, employed Serbs and fed mainly Serbs.

Icj the internationals and all NGOs stated casualties from the war war wasless than 10000 with almost 40 pct of those Serbs with 12 pct of the population also the vast majority of casualties occurred after Nato started its illegal bombing . Can you do the math? No minority in the world had rights like the Albanians. Only when kla terrorists started their campaign against Serbs and their own did things start getting tougher. As usual your propaganda is worthless.
(Jeff, 10 February 2013 13:27)

It can't be my propaganda since I just cite others. And there is no more reliable source about what happened than Vuk's UN: http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf

People, I think you are missing the main news here. Little hint: in the articles of B92, it is usually placed in the last paragraph.

"Dačić, who is paying a multi-day visit to the U.S., had meetings with representatives of the Department of State, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)."

Dacic met with the DEA and the FBI. Only a couple of days after his presumed involvement with people who traffic cocaine by the tons came out. I cannot even begin to imagine what that meeting must have looked like. "Any news from your drug/pal, Dacic?". Or, for the more conspiracy-minded, "here are the instructions on how you must behave in the next two years. We gave a similar copy to Thaci already, you two can compare notes when you meet in Brussels".

ICJ, I believe the N. Kosovo Serbs are against any fees that are collected at the administrative line go to Pristina. If the fees go solely to Serbia, they have no problem with that. The Serbs in the North do not recognize any Albanian authority on their land. That is point, not the administrative line fees.
(winston, 9 February 2013 14:02)

Some Serbs are obvisouly free to recognize or unrecognize whatever they want. However, UNMIK regulations mandate that customs duties be collected at Kosovo's boundaries and the money should go to Kosovo's budget. You or anybody else are certainly free to complain to the UNMIK or, its superior, the UNSC. But until that changes, UNMIK's regulations are the law of the land and we all know that Serbs are strong supporters of UNMIK. Anybody who disagrees can certainly declare "I do not recognize X Authorities" when paying the duties and name what that X is (Belgrade, Pristina, Albanians, Serbs, etc.).

"The Serbian prime minister pointed out the importance of UN's presence in Kosovo, stressing that Serbs trusted UNMIK the most. "

Yes, that's mostly true, but not all Serbs trust UNMIK since some of them refuse to obey UNMIK regulations which mandate the collection of customs duties at the Kosovo's boundaries for goods destined to Kosovo.

The politicians since Kostunica left office have been extremely smart, I have to admit. Kostunica saw UNSC 1244 for what it is and condemned it and fought it everystep of the way.
The modern politicians have been able to brainwash the Serbian people into believing that UNSC 1244 was a proSerb document that was actually designed for Serbs and some even in here who are probably more educated than the general population of Serbia actually believe that Milosevic was instrumental in getting it passed. Although his words were to the UNSC if they pass this resolution it will mean the end to Yugoslavia(Serbia).

Now they can fly around the world and every head of state will agree that everything must be handled according to UNSC 1244, as they have read the actual document and know what it says.
It lays out the plan for developing a government for the whole of Kosovo, all of Kosovo under one customs and under one govt based in Pristina, a mandate for a political settlement of the "final status" of Kosovo (status was never predetermined)
The one that amazes me is the return of displaced persons, at the time of writing nearly all displaced persons were Albanian. Nearly all the Serbs made their exodus post 1244 when Serb police and military were forced back across the border so they actually left because of 1244.

pss, you not correct. Most of the displaced persons in KiM are Serbs. Ethnically cleansed from their homes in the 2004 pogroms, by crazed, vindictive Albanians - while all the internationals stood by and watched, by the way. It does not matter if the displaced are before or after the conception of 1244, they are still displaced. But in any case, all people that lived in KiM have a right to return to their homes. I think both sides twist 1244 to their liking. Bottom line is, the status of Kosovo remains unresolved, and may be for many years to come. I don't see BG politicians, and the Serbian people, waking up one day and saying, "what a beautiful day, let's give Kosovo to the Albanians".

ICJ, I believe the N. Kosovo Serbs are against any fees that are collected at the administrative line go to Pristina. If the fees go solely to Serbia, they have no problem with that. The Serbs in the North do not recognize any Albanian authority on their land. That is point, not the administrative line fees.

"The one that amazes me is the return of displaced persons, at the time of writing nearly all displaced persons were Albanian. Nearly all the Serbs made their exodus post 1244 when Serb police and military were forced back across the border so they actually left because of 1244."
(pss, 9 February 2013 13:11)

They didn't leave because of 1244, but because of fearing for their lives under constant threat by violent Albanian extremists - after 1244 and the peace agreement, to be reminded. The few Serbs who returned are still under threat from the Albanians, mostly by those who stole or usurped their property, even nowadays, more than 10 years after.

pss, although I categorically disagree with your statements and logic, you can have the last word. But one thing, Kosovo may not be Serbia's to give anymore, but neither is it the Albanians' to take. The rest is simply political ping pong.

(Comm. Parrisson, 9 February 2013 14:27)
Whether it was actual or perceived threats due to a fear of Retaliatory Attacks is a matter of contention. However they left after 1244 is my point.
winston, 9 February 2013 14:11)
Actually you are wrong, while some did leave then the bulk left with the exodus of military following 1244 for fear of retribution for 10 years of actions of Serbs against the Albanians. I agree I do not see the belgrade politicians waking up one day and giving Kosovo away, it is no longer theirs to give, the choice is actually is Kosovo an independent country or an international protectorate, it will never return to provincial status. But if you notice the polictians are systematically removing the barriers they will not "give" it away but let it "slip" away. Notice all the talk now is about UN membership, that is a long way from discussions of 2007.
I agree that ALL displaced persons should be able to return to Kosovo but the big decision is do they want to make Kosovo their home and exert their guaranteed rights in the participation of a Kosovo govt or not.

I do believe that Serbs and Albanians can eventually live in peace together, people never believed that Blacks and Whites could live together in peace and equality in the US at one time. There will always be rooted hatred but civility will prevail.

"I agree that ALL displaced persons should be able to return to Kosovo but the big decision is do they want to make Kosovo their home and exert their guaranteed rights in the participation of a Kosovo govt or not. "
(pss, 9 February 2013 15:01)

Most won't care about their 'guaranteed rights' and 'participation', they just want to live in peace in their hometowns, houses and apartments, without them or their children being attacked and harassed by Kosovo Albanians, without their property being stolen or homes burned down or vandalized when absent, and so on...

Most won't care about their 'guaranteed rights' and 'participation', they just want to live in peace in their hometowns, houses and apartments, without them or their children being attacked and harassed by Kosovo Albanians, without their property being stolen or homes burned down or vandalized when absent, and so on...
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 February 2013 20:24)

And that means exactly having rights... Unfortunately, we hear almost every day of attacks and harassment of Serbs in North Kosovo, where as our dear friend Ari Gold says, Albanians and the police cannot set foot.

Most of the displaced persons in KiM are Serbs. Ethnically cleansed from their homes in the 2004 pogroms, by crazed, vindictive Albanians - while all the internationals stood by and watched, by the way.
(winston, 9 February 2013 14:11)

Well, the internationals killed a few Albanians in the occasion, if that' what you meant by "stood by and watched". But probably they should have also hanged them and burned them at the stake to satisfy you...

Anyway, this alleged "ethnic cleansing" affected about 4100 Serbs (assuming the number provided by the Serbs is correct); i.e. about 0.2% of Kosovo's population and about 2% of the Serb population in Kosovo.

While committing acts causing even one single person to move is a crime (and dozens of people were convicted and jailed for that), it was not state sponsored and it affected a very, very small number of the population, even by Serbs' account. That pales to comparison with Slobodan's, state sponsored campaign to ethnically cleanse 50% of the Kosovo's population. That's why despite all Serbia's propoganda, the world failed to see this "ethnic cleansing" in 2004.

Icj the internationals and all NGOs stated casualties from the war war wasless than 10000 with almost 40 pct of those Serbs with 12 pct of the population also the vast majority of casualties occurred after Nato started its illegal bombing . Can you do the math? No minority in the world had rights like the Albanians. Only when kla terrorists started their campaign against Serbs and their own did things start getting tougher. As usual your propaganda is worthless.

(Jeff, 10 February 2013 13:27
Never seen a nonSerb report that stated that 40% of the victims were Serbian. Of course Serbian math puts 400,000 of the 250,000Serbs in Kosovo were ethnically cleansed!
I also remember watching the peaceful protest in 2008 in Belgrade where the masses looted and burned embassies. As I was watching the news station report the size of the gathering at 50,000 and then they went to a Serbian reporter and they were claiming 2 million. Then the desk reporter had to come back and say obviously there is some discrepancy to the numbers! I would have been rolling in the floor except the sadness of the fact that the crowds burned a McDonalds that was owned by Serbs, employed Serbs and fed mainly Serbs.

People, I think you are missing the main news here. Little hint: in the articles of B92, it is usually placed in the last paragraph.

"Dačić, who is paying a multi-day visit to the U.S., had meetings with representatives of the Department of State, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)."

Dacic met with the DEA and the FBI. Only a couple of days after his presumed involvement with people who traffic cocaine by the tons came out. I cannot even begin to imagine what that meeting must have looked like. "Any news from your drug/pal, Dacic?". Or, for the more conspiracy-minded, "here are the instructions on how you must behave in the next two years. We gave a similar copy to Thaci already, you two can compare notes when you meet in Brussels".

ICJ, I believe the N. Kosovo Serbs are against any fees that are collected at the administrative line go to Pristina. If the fees go solely to Serbia, they have no problem with that. The Serbs in the North do not recognize any Albanian authority on their land. That is point, not the administrative line fees.
(winston, 9 February 2013 14:02)

Some Serbs are obvisouly free to recognize or unrecognize whatever they want. However, UNMIK regulations mandate that customs duties be collected at Kosovo's boundaries and the money should go to Kosovo's budget. You or anybody else are certainly free to complain to the UNMIK or, its superior, the UNSC. But until that changes, UNMIK's regulations are the law of the land and we all know that Serbs are strong supporters of UNMIK. Anybody who disagrees can certainly declare "I do not recognize X Authorities" when paying the duties and name what that X is (Belgrade, Pristina, Albanians, Serbs, etc.).

Icj the internationals and all NGOs stated casualties from the war war wasless than 10000 with almost 40 pct of those Serbs with 12 pct of the population also the vast majority of casualties occurred after Nato started its illegal bombing . Can you do the math? No minority in the world had rights like the Albanians. Only when kla terrorists started their campaign against Serbs and their own did things start getting tougher. As usual your propaganda is worthless.
(Jeff, 10 February 2013 13:27)

It can't be my propaganda since I just cite others. And there is no more reliable source about what happened than Vuk's UN: http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf