Support for EU plummets among Serbians

Who would have guessed?

The same old "Serbien muß sterbien" or "Stick and mace" policy brought us a devastated infrastructure, bombs, depleted uranium or atomic waste and occupied lands, alright but not much else.

The €USSR is nothing else but the same ugly German face Serbs have seen so many times before. We threw it out of the Balkans under humiliating circumstances twice in history and not surprisingly: We have to do it again!

Best news this year! Stay out of the rotten EU Serbia.. You will be better off...

The British Government will try and do everything to stop the British people having a referendum and if we ever do have a referendum and vote out it will be ignored. They want massive immigration because immigrants will be more likely to vote to stay in the EU. I believe the only ones to benefit from the EU are politicians,bankers and big business the people are just cannon fodder. The EU has achieved more than Hitler could have hoped for. I hope the Serbian people remain independent and free but the EU is about power building and I doubt they'll want Serbia out of their power control so watch them panic. I hope for Serbia's sake you never join the EU you'll be ruled by Germany.

I guess the Serbian people don't like EU carrots anymore. Poor little Germans, what are they going to threaten Serbia with now?

It's sad that it has taken this long. Its even more sad that after 2000 Serbs fell for neo-liberal promises of milk and honey and even the idea that those who bombed us will now hold our hand and lead us to prosperity. Not even Russia will hold your hand and tell you how to run your country the right way, but sure as hell not the West.

Luckily, the only thing Serbia has lost so far is time. Kosovo i Metohija is not lost until the KLA have a seat in the UN. Until that time, Serbia could freeze the conflict until conditions are favorable to open up that issue again. And if Serbia declares its disinterest in joining the EU, the Albanians are stuck somewhere in between Northern Cyprus and Palestine which is not nearly enough to be considered a state.

Despite all the pro EU brainwashing, lies, Goebells style propaganda, brown paper bags for corrupt politicians, threats, and Orwellian speak, the people are finally waking up and seeing the light. Hallelujah !!

According to him, the reasons for such weak support lie in the situation concerning Kosovo and the uncertain date for the start of EU membership negotiations.

Not only Kosovo is the reason but the EU itself. Other countries which have nothing to do with KM are also postponed under one reason or another. Another thing to influence the people in Serbia is that most of the new members have nothing to write home about. They have lost most of the properties in their countries and a great part of the newly obtained independence. And what are the results ? Very poor ones if only the Brussels or the Washington backsides are something sweeter than that of Moscow. So Serbs even if deprived of the national pride and dignity for what Europe had done to them see less of the EU advantages day by day. But in Norway and Switzerland they can see that EU membership is not a sinonimous to prosperity and freedom.

exceptionally good news.

There is a limit in every spin and the Serbian people have seen that the Emperor has no cloths.

What we want is a decent trade agreement, not to be ruled by Germany.

You mean to say that Serbs don't want to join in the prosperity of the EU like the Greeks, Spanish, Italians, etc????

T, Kosovo has nothing to do with what Serbian politicians say, it is what the Serbian people feel. They will always want their land, regardless of what Dacic or Vucic blab on about. And no, nothing is ever a lost cause. Just like the hoards of Albanians emigrated to Kosovo from Albania, so can Serbs from Serbia to Kosovo, and equal out the population. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Realistically, it is unlikely you could ever get Kosovo back by being anti-west.
(Bob, 29 January 2013 16:51)

It is not anti-west, it is being pro-truth & justice. Big difference. I am not anti-Spain, because they have a just stance on Kosovo. Is Spain in the west Bob?
Where has being blindingly 'pro-West' gotten Serbia? Well let's see, we got illegaly bombed twice, suffered a US-sponsored genocide in Krajina for our people (for the second time in one century), got sanctioned, got Serbian soil poisoned with depleted uranium from western war criminals, and the same war criminals are now occupying 15% of sovereign Serbian territory and doing everything in their power to hand it over to terrorists and organ snatchers.
Thank God for Russia, who has blocked the German (Fourth Reich) plan to destroy and enslave Serbia and is now heavily invested in Serbia's resurrection!! What goes around comes around Bob, and the west is bankrupt, and getting more bankrupt by the day.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Wow, already $16.5 Trillion Bob!! :)
We will wait it out, and not only get Kosovo back, but amalgamate with Republika Srpska too. Mind your own business and keep your nose out of Serbian affairs.
Cheers!!

oh no! That Danilo must be devastated! And anyone knows what happened to that EU preacher Mircea?

You mean to say that Serbs don't want to join in the prosperity of the EU like the Greeks, Spanish, Italians, etc????
(Zoran, 29 January 2013 13:10)

LOL we should be so lucky! They at least had a decade or so of unbridled growth before someone realized it was all virtual money loaned in exchange for significant erosions of sovereignty. I'd say look at what's going to happen to Croatia next year for a good idea of what's in store for Serbia. Add growing British pressure to leave, calls for a "United States of Europe", permanent client status to Merkel's Reich, oh and membership only after we "recognize the reality" in Kosovo (only the reality the EU wants to see not what we show them to balance it out) and it's a no brainer support is dropping.

Look at how Iceland is recovering and compare that with Greece and Spain. Even if the ship isn't immediately sinking, why board one where you know your cabin is third class?

The Great Awakening! ......but beware of the "sarene laze" that will soon be coming fast and furious.

Citizens of Serbia need to see a televised debate (or even more than 1) concerning the pros and cons of joining the EU. The current government is generally (apart from a few) opposed to the whole idea of joining the EU because of the Kosovo issue. However citizens of Serbia should be made aware, that despite popular believe and the government's standpoint, Kosovo is a lost cause. If the government of Serbia can be honest about the reality of the situation then the citizens of Serbia are able to make a better and educated choice and to vote (maybe in a referendum) either for or against joining the EU.

The British Government will try and do everything to stop the British people having a referendum and if we ever do have a referendum and vote out it will be ignored.
(Diana, 29 January 2013 11:39)
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I don't think that is the case. The British government can see where the EU is heading (i.e. the United Stated of Europe), which it wants to avoid. This federalisation of the EU will destroy it and the UK wants to renegotiate its membership to still retain free trade and movement without being a federalised unit.

So basically, the threat is to pull out via a referendum if the EU doesn't renegotiate its membership with the UK. In other words, the EU is in a complete mess. Great news that Serbs are finally waking up.

Regardless of public opinion there will be an enormous pressure on Serbia to join EU one day. Fortunately Serbia has a good excuse. She just has to insist on joining with her UN recognised borders, with Kosovo included, and that is something EU will never accept. They do not want Kosovo in EU. Whoever believes otherwise is disillusioned.

We have the stockholm syndrome or something when we fall in love with our captors. The same people who are trying to destroy us, we are begging to join. After WW2, even Germany, and after what it did, was rebuilt with huge amounts of investment. Relatively, what have they done for us but try and steal our heartland. They just want us to to be their vassals, which Germany would get a real kick out of after all the kickings we've given them in the past. We should politely bow out, look for investment elsewhere (God willing) and take a neutral position on all things political and military. If the EU bureaucrats can't understand our position, it would not be the first time.

Kosovo is a lost cause.
(T, 29 January 2013 11:54)

Now you see, if the KLA was doing two things: ensuring a UN seat and strengthening the economy then I would regrettably have to agree with you. Fortunately neither of those things are happening. Today what we see is the Albanian leadership surviving off the "generosity" of Western governments to not only send you donations but to ensure your occupation.
I'd argue that neither of those things being the case for eternity, maybe you do.

I bring up South Korea yesterday and somebody asked "well America would defend South Korea today if need be" but America's help is not needed because South Korea developed itself into a functioning independent state with a strong economy. Now if it weren't for the North's nuclear arsenal, the South would be able to overrun that leadership in a matter of days.

And this is because they realized that eventually, if your sovereignty is not recognized by those that live in your neighborhood you HAVE to possess the means to not only defend your self, but have a strong economy to fund such a defense.

Right now, and for the foreseeable future- the Albanians have neither. So how exactly is it a lost cause when your dependent on the generosity of foreigners and cannot do it yourself?

I love the way in which posters here compare the EU with Hitler's Germany.

Is it not interesting that that is exactly how people spoke of Serbia under Milosevic?

Hitler was a warmongering killer. Milosevic was a warmongering killer. The EU is not a killer - neither is it warmongering.

Please don't join the EU unless you get your attitude right - you are not actually needed in it.

The EU is a good trading block and while there is much that needs to be done about democratising the EU and sorting out the finances, it is fundamentally on the right track.

If Spain and Greece were voting to leave the EU, negative arguments might have some weight. However, Spain and Greece are determined to see through their problems and stay in.

However citizens of Serbia should be made aware, that despite popular believe and the government's standpoint, Kosovo is a lost cause.
(T, 29 January 2013 11:54)

Kosovo is not the main issue. It is however the ceremonial middle finger the EU is giving along with a number of other unfavorable demands but is used as the main headline. Much of the feelings of euroskepticism is related to the appalling conditions of the eurozone, the bureaucratic dictatorship in Brussels and the blind support Serbia's governments give towards it, the rising prices of even bare essentials to meet the prices of what is standard in Austria and Germany, the pressure to privatize every little industry, and the expected obligations to immediately pay into bailouts for other countries. I'm almost glad the level of Serbophobia in Brussels is what it is. Were we liked any more, we'd have been damned with membership years ago. Thankfully additional conditions are keeping us out :)

THANK GOD,WHAT TOOK YA'LL SO DAMN LONG TO START WAKING UP?{germany,croatia,austra,hungry,albania,macedonia,montenegro,u s a} ARE YOUR ENEMYS,AND ALWAYS WILL BE!TICK,TOCK!

Bob-Is anti-west refusing to bend over and take it in the backside from them? Then call me anti-west. The best chance we have of getting Kosovo back is improving the economy to such a degree that the honest Albanians can see what we are doing, and maybe, just maybe, give us a second chance. I am sure there will have to very high autonomy and they would look after their own affairs. After all, what happened in the late 90's was far from something unforgiveable on both sides, and they know that. What the Kalbs have done since is something we will have to talk about. Call it a dream, but anythings better than what we have now on both sides.
I personally dont see the EU as the way to do this. So many countries are being impoverished by being members. The humiliation of exit is what is driving the greeks, spanish Italians etc to want to stay in. At least for the time being until they can exit on their own terms. And comparing Milosevic to Hitler is ridiculous.

(Bob, 29 January 2013 16:51)

Actually, I agree with you. I'm anti Serbia joining the EU but I am not really anti Western. The Serbian diaspora has the numbers to set up solid voting blocs in the U.S., Germany, Austria, Australia and even Switzerland. It has to start from the gov't in Belgrade to organize these voting blocs (something the current elite will never do) and from then on lobby for politicians who agree to stand up for Serbian interests.

Also I support a deepening of relations with Israel which I feel is almost as important as our relations with Russia. Some may think that is contradictory because of their counter views of the Middle East, but in the Balkans their views would match which is stop the spread of Jihadism in South Eastern Europe.

So yeah I agree, the 'nasty nationalists' are a bit ridiculous like that 'Ivan' fellow who posts here from time to time. He represents a defeatist attitude which we should definitely avoid.

Well, to be fair EU doesn't want you in either. So it doesn't matter if you support EU or not. It is more of a question of: Who needs who?
(Mark, 29 January 2013 21:30)

No, they want Serbia. They keep saying that. It's Albanians they don't want. They broke Kosovo away from Serbia so Serbia gets in without Albanians.

Indeed good news even from the Western view. It is time to admit only strong countries into the EU and not economic parasites such as Greece or Cyprus.

Here´s something for the few remaining otporists and other €USSR/NATO lovers to think about (and thank their masters for):

"Totally NATO used 15 tons of depleted uranium to strike targets in Yugoslavia. It was all converted into radioactive dust picked up by the wind and spread around the Balkans contaminating soil, air, plants and animals. The dust is to last forever, the radioactivity will reach its highest level after 100 years…"
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/01/29/serbia-nato-uranium-embrace.html

Here´s something for the few remaining otporists and other €USSR/NATO lovers to think about (and thank their masters for):

"Totally NATO used 15 tons of depleted uranium to strike targets in Yugoslavia. It was all converted into radioactive dust picked up by the wind and spread around the Balkans contaminating soil, air, plants and animals. The dust is to last forever, the radioactivity will reach its highest level after 100 years…"
[link]
(Time is on our side, 29 January 2013 19:03)

Yep.. they are fracked down there in KosovO.. better leave while you can

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100605976268656693364.0004835964dad9a9b2966

oh no! That Danilo must be devastated! And anyone knows what happened to that EU preacher Mircea?
(lowe, 29 January 2013 13:54)

Here is Mircea below, I found him laying low and commenting on this story:TUESDAY 29.01.2013 | 12:41
Slovenia: District prosecutor caught shoplifting

People that steal in the EU are also big liars.
(mircha, 29 January 2013 20:15)

Enormous pressure? From whom, and for what possible reason? There's no pressure on Norway or Switzerland to join, and they would be net donors.
(Amer, 29 January 2013 19:34)
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There is no need to control them.

Amer: I know a large number of Swiss and Norwegians and they would laugh at your suggestion that their countries are under no pressure to join the EU; they are under constant pressure and the only reason that they have the deals that they do is because the EU is hoping/expecting them to become members. As for Serbia, I assume that should the country ever be in a position to join the EU the government will have the decency to hold a referendum and ask the people what they think. If they do not wish to join one assumes that they will vote 'no'. It couldn't be simpler.

Sadly, the (bad) state of Serbia is part of my business - so please don't be rude about my involvement such as it is.
(Bob, 30 January 2013 10:56)

Well Bob, your post is so full of lies I really don't know where to start. The biggest victims of the wars of the 90's were the Serbs, and Serbia has by far the most refugees today. The ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo has been going on for decades, long before your boogey man Slobo was around, and that is a fact well documented by the New York times and other western papers. You continually ignore this. Racak was a proven hoax, you ignore this. William Cohen went on the news and claimed there were '100,000 dead albanians' in Kosovo, a blatant proven lie which helped start the criminal bombardment of Serbia for 78 days.
You continue to ignore the men, women, and CHILDREN, around 3,000 of them, butchered by Naser Oric's war criminals in the villages surrounding Srebrenica. You continue support the kangaroo court in the Hague, which actually released Oric, as well as Gotovina - I guess in your eyes the Serbs ethnically cleansed themselves. You're a joke. You ignore war crimes against Serbs, and keep repeating Orwellian talking points.
If your 'business' really is Serbia, if you are some kind of analyst or in the diplomatic circles, well congratulations, you're a complete failure! Because of people like you, the Balkans is a mess right now. You are a bunch of ignorants incapable of rational thought.
Cheers!!

Realistically, it is unlikely you could ever get Kosovo back by being anti-west.

It may make you feel nice in side to blame everyone else, but everyone else will just let you fester.

Clever diplomacy is the only realistic route forward - not something that the nasty nationalists have learned.

There are diplomatic routes available - not by being anti-EU, but by knowing how to shift things in the right direction.

Mind you, I do think that EU politics needs the proverbial kick up the back-side. It is becoming too top heavy administratively and it is not winning the hearts of the citizenship. Having non-elected appointed 'presidents' and an over selfish Germany is not good for the future. GB is at least addressing that rather than just jumping out of the pram.

Here´s something for the few remaining otporists and other €USSR/NATO lovers to think about (and thank their masters for):

Totally NATO used 15 tons of depleted uranium to strike targets in Yugoslavia. It was all converted into radioactive dust picked up by the wind and spread around the Balkans contaminating soil, air, plants and animals. The dust is to last forever, the radioactivity will reach its highest level after 100 years…"
[link]
(Time is on our side, 29 January 2013 19:03)

Not sure how reliable Google is, but to me it seems that mostly Kosovo, Presevo and parts of Bosnia were struck with depleted uranium.

I can be wrong though, but the map (follow link) shows otherwise

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100605976268656693364.0004835964dad9a9b2966

Support keeps decreasing then increasing, so doesn't , matter, who knows how will the accession referendum will turn out after 5-10 years, i am positive that the EU will manage to get out of it's crisis and the support for EU will go up again :)

Zoran and Dragan,

Serbia has no alternative to the EU.

lowe,

In the best case scenario Serbia will join the EU in 2020.

Diana and Pete K,

The UK is the most eurosceptic country in the EU. Since it joined in 1973 the UK has only tried to block the process of deeper European integration.

The UK will be more and more isolated as the countries of the EU pursue deeper European integration.

i love comments here that insinuate the EU is asking Serbia to join. people, its the other way around. you keep voting for parties who want to join the EU. if you don't want in, vote someone else, its really very easy

"Regardless of public opinion there will be an enormous pressure on Serbia to join EU one day. ...
(Teslavio, 29 January 2013 14:42) "

Enormous pressure? From whom, and for what possible reason? There's no pressure on Norway or Switzerland to join, and they would be net donors.

Great news for Gazprom. Raise that gas price to $1000.

"lowe,

In the best case scenario Serbia will join the EU in 2020.

(Mircea EU citizen, 29 January 2013 19:02)"

assuming, that is, that the EU is still around in 2020.

Bob,you seem to have left out many IMPORTANT FACTS.Has germany ever really shown remorse about all the blood shed it caused in WWI and WWII?Of course not.I know your retort will be,oh that is the past and we really want to be friends with all people. BS!PAY BACK IS STILL DUE!IT IS COMING!

"The Serbian diaspora has the numbers to set up solid voting blocs in the U.S., Germany, Austria, Australia and even Switzerland"

This is got to be the funniest thing I've ever heard, I spewed up my coffee all over my desk when I read that line. I'm from Australia and we wouldn't even know Serb existed if it wasn't for the fact we could see a few at the tennis when Djokovic plays.

Dragan

Sadly, the (bad) state of Serbia is part of my business - so please don't be rude about my involvement such as it is.

Serbia was wrecked - not by the west, but by the terrible internal politics of the region.

If you want to be truthful - face up to that.

Also face up to the number of murders that were done in Bosnia in particular.

The west didn't take well to that - or to having UN staff tied up.

Germany is not a 'Fourth Reich'. It is a democratic country within the EU that happens to be too full of hard working people.

Economically the west is not going to 'collapse'. Bad economic times come and go.

You want to trust Russia? Good luck. At least thinking that helps redirect your embitterment.

You may like to whinge about the 'west' but I assure and reassure you that you will not reintegrate with Kosovo or Republika Srpska if the 'diplomatic' basis of your reintegration policy is just nasty nationalism - which it appears to be from the way you talk.

The diplomatic failure of Serbia in regard Kosovo was sustained by Milosevic for several years - he failed his country.

Fortunately, Serbia has been doing a lot of facing up - some realise it more than others.

Serbia has a future, as does the EU - probably both together.

Support for EU plummets among Serbians

Well, to be fair EU doesn't want you in either. So it doesn't matter if you support EU or not. It is more of a question of: Who needs who?

Looks like Bganon and Danila won't be walking like Italians anytime soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pKjP6w0r6Cg

Dragan

You are very off-beam with many of the things you say about me. For example, I frequently post about good peaceful Serbian friends of mine who were driven out of Kosovo long before Milosevic.

However, you close your eyes to the stinking horrible mess for three years in Bosnia, and the fact that Millosevic was stamped on by people who could not allow him to propogate any more of it.

Please make your arguments without gross personalisations in future.

The results of this pool are completely discouraging... I want Serbia to Join the EU, but I have to recognise that they haven't seen anything good from it. For the average serbs the money and donations of EU are not enough.

There must be a process of recognition of what some serbs did to the other people of the balkans. The previous government did many things to do it, bot the neighbours and the EU dind't want to pay attention to that, and now, from the aquital of Gotovina, that process has come to and end.

The EU and specially Germany must change it's stance towards Serbia.

No, they want Serbia. They keep saying that. It's Albanians they don't want. They broke Kosovo away from Serbia so Serbia gets in without Albanians.
(Navi, 30 January 2013 01:05)

Then how come you still out?

I love the way in which posters here compare the EU with Hitler's Germany.

Is it not interesting that that is exactly how people spoke of Serbia under Milosevic?

Hitler was a warmongering killer. Milosevic was a warmongering killer. The EU is not a killer - neither is it warmongering.

Please don't join the EU unless you get your attitude right - you are not actually needed in it.

The EU is a good trading block and while there is much that needs to be done about democratising the EU and sorting out the finances, it is fundamentally on the right track.

If Spain and Greece were voting to leave the EU, negative arguments might have some weight. However, Spain and Greece are determined to see through their problems and stay in.

Citizens of Serbia need to see a televised debate (or even more than 1) concerning the pros and cons of joining the EU. The current government is generally (apart from a few) opposed to the whole idea of joining the EU because of the Kosovo issue. However citizens of Serbia should be made aware, that despite popular believe and the government's standpoint, Kosovo is a lost cause. If the government of Serbia can be honest about the reality of the situation then the citizens of Serbia are able to make a better and educated choice and to vote (maybe in a referendum) either for or against joining the EU.

Zoran and Dragan,

Serbia has no alternative to the EU.

lowe,

In the best case scenario Serbia will join the EU in 2020.

Diana and Pete K,

The UK is the most eurosceptic country in the EU. Since it joined in 1973 the UK has only tried to block the process of deeper European integration.

The UK will be more and more isolated as the countries of the EU pursue deeper European integration.

Realistically, it is unlikely you could ever get Kosovo back by being anti-west.

It may make you feel nice in side to blame everyone else, but everyone else will just let you fester.

Clever diplomacy is the only realistic route forward - not something that the nasty nationalists have learned.

There are diplomatic routes available - not by being anti-EU, but by knowing how to shift things in the right direction.

Mind you, I do think that EU politics needs the proverbial kick up the back-side. It is becoming too top heavy administratively and it is not winning the hearts of the citizenship. Having non-elected appointed 'presidents' and an over selfish Germany is not good for the future. GB is at least addressing that rather than just jumping out of the pram.

Who would have guessed?

The same old "Serbien muß sterbien" or "Stick and mace" policy brought us a devastated infrastructure, bombs, depleted uranium or atomic waste and occupied lands, alright but not much else.

The €USSR is nothing else but the same ugly German face Serbs have seen so many times before. We threw it out of the Balkans under humiliating circumstances twice in history and not surprisingly: We have to do it again!

The British Government will try and do everything to stop the British people having a referendum and if we ever do have a referendum and vote out it will be ignored. They want massive immigration because immigrants will be more likely to vote to stay in the EU. I believe the only ones to benefit from the EU are politicians,bankers and big business the people are just cannon fodder. The EU has achieved more than Hitler could have hoped for. I hope the Serbian people remain independent and free but the EU is about power building and I doubt they'll want Serbia out of their power control so watch them panic. I hope for Serbia's sake you never join the EU you'll be ruled by Germany.

i love comments here that insinuate the EU is asking Serbia to join. people, its the other way around. you keep voting for parties who want to join the EU. if you don't want in, vote someone else, its really very easy

I guess the Serbian people don't like EU carrots anymore. Poor little Germans, what are they going to threaten Serbia with now?

THANK GOD,WHAT TOOK YA'LL SO DAMN LONG TO START WAKING UP?{germany,croatia,austra,hungry,albania,macedonia,montenegro,u s a} ARE YOUR ENEMYS,AND ALWAYS WILL BE!TICK,TOCK!

Support for EU plummets among Serbians

Well, to be fair EU doesn't want you in either. So it doesn't matter if you support EU or not. It is more of a question of: Who needs who?

Best news this year! Stay out of the rotten EU Serbia.. You will be better off...

exceptionally good news.

Despite all the pro EU brainwashing, lies, Goebells style propaganda, brown paper bags for corrupt politicians, threats, and Orwellian speak, the people are finally waking up and seeing the light. Hallelujah !!

Indeed good news even from the Western view. It is time to admit only strong countries into the EU and not economic parasites such as Greece or Cyprus.

"Regardless of public opinion there will be an enormous pressure on Serbia to join EU one day. ...
(Teslavio, 29 January 2013 14:42) "

Enormous pressure? From whom, and for what possible reason? There's no pressure on Norway or Switzerland to join, and they would be net donors.

According to him, the reasons for such weak support lie in the situation concerning Kosovo and the uncertain date for the start of EU membership negotiations.

Not only Kosovo is the reason but the EU itself. Other countries which have nothing to do with KM are also postponed under one reason or another. Another thing to influence the people in Serbia is that most of the new members have nothing to write home about. They have lost most of the properties in their countries and a great part of the newly obtained independence. And what are the results ? Very poor ones if only the Brussels or the Washington backsides are something sweeter than that of Moscow. So Serbs even if deprived of the national pride and dignity for what Europe had done to them see less of the EU advantages day by day. But in Norway and Switzerland they can see that EU membership is not a sinonimous to prosperity and freedom.

You mean to say that Serbs don't want to join in the prosperity of the EU like the Greeks, Spanish, Italians, etc????

The British Government will try and do everything to stop the British people having a referendum and if we ever do have a referendum and vote out it will be ignored.
(Diana, 29 January 2013 11:39)
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I don't think that is the case. The British government can see where the EU is heading (i.e. the United Stated of Europe), which it wants to avoid. This federalisation of the EU will destroy it and the UK wants to renegotiate its membership to still retain free trade and movement without being a federalised unit.

So basically, the threat is to pull out via a referendum if the EU doesn't renegotiate its membership with the UK. In other words, the EU is in a complete mess. Great news that Serbs are finally waking up.

There is a limit in every spin and the Serbian people have seen that the Emperor has no cloths.

What we want is a decent trade agreement, not to be ruled by Germany.

T, Kosovo has nothing to do with what Serbian politicians say, it is what the Serbian people feel. They will always want their land, regardless of what Dacic or Vucic blab on about. And no, nothing is ever a lost cause. Just like the hoards of Albanians emigrated to Kosovo from Albania, so can Serbs from Serbia to Kosovo, and equal out the population. Wouldn't that be interesting?

We have the stockholm syndrome or something when we fall in love with our captors. The same people who are trying to destroy us, we are begging to join. After WW2, even Germany, and after what it did, was rebuilt with huge amounts of investment. Relatively, what have they done for us but try and steal our heartland. They just want us to to be their vassals, which Germany would get a real kick out of after all the kickings we've given them in the past. We should politely bow out, look for investment elsewhere (God willing) and take a neutral position on all things political and military. If the EU bureaucrats can't understand our position, it would not be the first time.

It's sad that it has taken this long. Its even more sad that after 2000 Serbs fell for neo-liberal promises of milk and honey and even the idea that those who bombed us will now hold our hand and lead us to prosperity. Not even Russia will hold your hand and tell you how to run your country the right way, but sure as hell not the West.

Luckily, the only thing Serbia has lost so far is time. Kosovo i Metohija is not lost until the KLA have a seat in the UN. Until that time, Serbia could freeze the conflict until conditions are favorable to open up that issue again. And if Serbia declares its disinterest in joining the EU, the Albanians are stuck somewhere in between Northern Cyprus and Palestine which is not nearly enough to be considered a state.

The Great Awakening! ......but beware of the "sarene laze" that will soon be coming fast and furious.

Regardless of public opinion there will be an enormous pressure on Serbia to join EU one day. Fortunately Serbia has a good excuse. She just has to insist on joining with her UN recognised borders, with Kosovo included, and that is something EU will never accept. They do not want Kosovo in EU. Whoever believes otherwise is disillusioned.

Bob-Is anti-west refusing to bend over and take it in the backside from them? Then call me anti-west. The best chance we have of getting Kosovo back is improving the economy to such a degree that the honest Albanians can see what we are doing, and maybe, just maybe, give us a second chance. I am sure there will have to very high autonomy and they would look after their own affairs. After all, what happened in the late 90's was far from something unforgiveable on both sides, and they know that. What the Kalbs have done since is something we will have to talk about. Call it a dream, but anythings better than what we have now on both sides.
I personally dont see the EU as the way to do this. So many countries are being impoverished by being members. The humiliation of exit is what is driving the greeks, spanish Italians etc to want to stay in. At least for the time being until they can exit on their own terms. And comparing Milosevic to Hitler is ridiculous.

(Bob, 29 January 2013 16:51)

Actually, I agree with you. I'm anti Serbia joining the EU but I am not really anti Western. The Serbian diaspora has the numbers to set up solid voting blocs in the U.S., Germany, Austria, Australia and even Switzerland. It has to start from the gov't in Belgrade to organize these voting blocs (something the current elite will never do) and from then on lobby for politicians who agree to stand up for Serbian interests.

Also I support a deepening of relations with Israel which I feel is almost as important as our relations with Russia. Some may think that is contradictory because of their counter views of the Middle East, but in the Balkans their views would match which is stop the spread of Jihadism in South Eastern Europe.

So yeah I agree, the 'nasty nationalists' are a bit ridiculous like that 'Ivan' fellow who posts here from time to time. He represents a defeatist attitude which we should definitely avoid.

Dragan

You are very off-beam with many of the things you say about me. For example, I frequently post about good peaceful Serbian friends of mine who were driven out of Kosovo long before Milosevic.

However, you close your eyes to the stinking horrible mess for three years in Bosnia, and the fact that Millosevic was stamped on by people who could not allow him to propogate any more of it.

Please make your arguments without gross personalisations in future.

Kosovo is a lost cause.
(T, 29 January 2013 11:54)

Now you see, if the KLA was doing two things: ensuring a UN seat and strengthening the economy then I would regrettably have to agree with you. Fortunately neither of those things are happening. Today what we see is the Albanian leadership surviving off the "generosity" of Western governments to not only send you donations but to ensure your occupation.
I'd argue that neither of those things being the case for eternity, maybe you do.

I bring up South Korea yesterday and somebody asked "well America would defend South Korea today if need be" but America's help is not needed because South Korea developed itself into a functioning independent state with a strong economy. Now if it weren't for the North's nuclear arsenal, the South would be able to overrun that leadership in a matter of days.

And this is because they realized that eventually, if your sovereignty is not recognized by those that live in your neighborhood you HAVE to possess the means to not only defend your self, but have a strong economy to fund such a defense.

Right now, and for the foreseeable future- the Albanians have neither. So how exactly is it a lost cause when your dependent on the generosity of foreigners and cannot do it yourself?

Support keeps decreasing then increasing, so doesn't , matter, who knows how will the accession referendum will turn out after 5-10 years, i am positive that the EU will manage to get out of it's crisis and the support for EU will go up again :)

Dragan

Sadly, the (bad) state of Serbia is part of my business - so please don't be rude about my involvement such as it is.

Serbia was wrecked - not by the west, but by the terrible internal politics of the region.

If you want to be truthful - face up to that.

Also face up to the number of murders that were done in Bosnia in particular.

The west didn't take well to that - or to having UN staff tied up.

Germany is not a 'Fourth Reich'. It is a democratic country within the EU that happens to be too full of hard working people.

Economically the west is not going to 'collapse'. Bad economic times come and go.

You want to trust Russia? Good luck. At least thinking that helps redirect your embitterment.

You may like to whinge about the 'west' but I assure and reassure you that you will not reintegrate with Kosovo or Republika Srpska if the 'diplomatic' basis of your reintegration policy is just nasty nationalism - which it appears to be from the way you talk.

The diplomatic failure of Serbia in regard Kosovo was sustained by Milosevic for several years - he failed his country.

Fortunately, Serbia has been doing a lot of facing up - some realise it more than others.

Serbia has a future, as does the EU - probably both together.

oh no! That Danilo must be devastated! And anyone knows what happened to that EU preacher Mircea?

Great news for Gazprom. Raise that gas price to $1000.

Realistically, it is unlikely you could ever get Kosovo back by being anti-west.
(Bob, 29 January 2013 16:51)

It is not anti-west, it is being pro-truth & justice. Big difference. I am not anti-Spain, because they have a just stance on Kosovo. Is Spain in the west Bob?
Where has being blindingly 'pro-West' gotten Serbia? Well let's see, we got illegaly bombed twice, suffered a US-sponsored genocide in Krajina for our people (for the second time in one century), got sanctioned, got Serbian soil poisoned with depleted uranium from western war criminals, and the same war criminals are now occupying 15% of sovereign Serbian territory and doing everything in their power to hand it over to terrorists and organ snatchers.
Thank God for Russia, who has blocked the German (Fourth Reich) plan to destroy and enslave Serbia and is now heavily invested in Serbia's resurrection!! What goes around comes around Bob, and the west is bankrupt, and getting more bankrupt by the day.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Wow, already $16.5 Trillion Bob!! :)
We will wait it out, and not only get Kosovo back, but amalgamate with Republika Srpska too. Mind your own business and keep your nose out of Serbian affairs.
Cheers!!

Looks like Bganon and Danila won't be walking like Italians anytime soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pKjP6w0r6Cg

You mean to say that Serbs don't want to join in the prosperity of the EU like the Greeks, Spanish, Italians, etc????
(Zoran, 29 January 2013 13:10)

LOL we should be so lucky! They at least had a decade or so of unbridled growth before someone realized it was all virtual money loaned in exchange for significant erosions of sovereignty. I'd say look at what's going to happen to Croatia next year for a good idea of what's in store for Serbia. Add growing British pressure to leave, calls for a "United States of Europe", permanent client status to Merkel's Reich, oh and membership only after we "recognize the reality" in Kosovo (only the reality the EU wants to see not what we show them to balance it out) and it's a no brainer support is dropping.

Look at how Iceland is recovering and compare that with Greece and Spain. Even if the ship isn't immediately sinking, why board one where you know your cabin is third class?

However citizens of Serbia should be made aware, that despite popular believe and the government's standpoint, Kosovo is a lost cause.
(T, 29 January 2013 11:54)

Kosovo is not the main issue. It is however the ceremonial middle finger the EU is giving along with a number of other unfavorable demands but is used as the main headline. Much of the feelings of euroskepticism is related to the appalling conditions of the eurozone, the bureaucratic dictatorship in Brussels and the blind support Serbia's governments give towards it, the rising prices of even bare essentials to meet the prices of what is standard in Austria and Germany, the pressure to privatize every little industry, and the expected obligations to immediately pay into bailouts for other countries. I'm almost glad the level of Serbophobia in Brussels is what it is. Were we liked any more, we'd have been damned with membership years ago. Thankfully additional conditions are keeping us out :)

Here´s something for the few remaining otporists and other €USSR/NATO lovers to think about (and thank their masters for):

Totally NATO used 15 tons of depleted uranium to strike targets in Yugoslavia. It was all converted into radioactive dust picked up by the wind and spread around the Balkans contaminating soil, air, plants and animals. The dust is to last forever, the radioactivity will reach its highest level after 100 years…"
[link]
(Time is on our side, 29 January 2013 19:03)

Not sure how reliable Google is, but to me it seems that mostly Kosovo, Presevo and parts of Bosnia were struck with depleted uranium.

I can be wrong though, but the map (follow link) shows otherwise

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100605976268656693364.0004835964dad9a9b2966

Here´s something for the few remaining otporists and other €USSR/NATO lovers to think about (and thank their masters for):

"Totally NATO used 15 tons of depleted uranium to strike targets in Yugoslavia. It was all converted into radioactive dust picked up by the wind and spread around the Balkans contaminating soil, air, plants and animals. The dust is to last forever, the radioactivity will reach its highest level after 100 years…"
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/01/29/serbia-nato-uranium-embrace.html

Here´s something for the few remaining otporists and other €USSR/NATO lovers to think about (and thank their masters for):

"Totally NATO used 15 tons of depleted uranium to strike targets in Yugoslavia. It was all converted into radioactive dust picked up by the wind and spread around the Balkans contaminating soil, air, plants and animals. The dust is to last forever, the radioactivity will reach its highest level after 100 years…"
[link]
(Time is on our side, 29 January 2013 19:03)

Yep.. they are fracked down there in KosovO.. better leave while you can

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100605976268656693364.0004835964dad9a9b2966

Enormous pressure? From whom, and for what possible reason? There's no pressure on Norway or Switzerland to join, and they would be net donors.
(Amer, 29 January 2013 19:34)
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There is no need to control them.

Amer: I know a large number of Swiss and Norwegians and they would laugh at your suggestion that their countries are under no pressure to join the EU; they are under constant pressure and the only reason that they have the deals that they do is because the EU is hoping/expecting them to become members. As for Serbia, I assume that should the country ever be in a position to join the EU the government will have the decency to hold a referendum and ask the people what they think. If they do not wish to join one assumes that they will vote 'no'. It couldn't be simpler.

Well, to be fair EU doesn't want you in either. So it doesn't matter if you support EU or not. It is more of a question of: Who needs who?
(Mark, 29 January 2013 21:30)

No, they want Serbia. They keep saying that. It's Albanians they don't want. They broke Kosovo away from Serbia so Serbia gets in without Albanians.

"The Serbian diaspora has the numbers to set up solid voting blocs in the U.S., Germany, Austria, Australia and even Switzerland"

This is got to be the funniest thing I've ever heard, I spewed up my coffee all over my desk when I read that line. I'm from Australia and we wouldn't even know Serb existed if it wasn't for the fact we could see a few at the tennis when Djokovic plays.

No, they want Serbia. They keep saying that. It's Albanians they don't want. They broke Kosovo away from Serbia so Serbia gets in without Albanians.
(Navi, 30 January 2013 01:05)

Then how come you still out?

oh no! That Danilo must be devastated! And anyone knows what happened to that EU preacher Mircea?
(lowe, 29 January 2013 13:54)

Here is Mircea below, I found him laying low and commenting on this story:TUESDAY 29.01.2013 | 12:41
Slovenia: District prosecutor caught shoplifting

People that steal in the EU are also big liars.
(mircha, 29 January 2013 20:15)

"lowe,

In the best case scenario Serbia will join the EU in 2020.

(Mircea EU citizen, 29 January 2013 19:02)"

assuming, that is, that the EU is still around in 2020.

Bob,you seem to have left out many IMPORTANT FACTS.Has germany ever really shown remorse about all the blood shed it caused in WWI and WWII?Of course not.I know your retort will be,oh that is the past and we really want to be friends with all people. BS!PAY BACK IS STILL DUE!IT IS COMING!

Sadly, the (bad) state of Serbia is part of my business - so please don't be rude about my involvement such as it is.
(Bob, 30 January 2013 10:56)

Well Bob, your post is so full of lies I really don't know where to start. The biggest victims of the wars of the 90's were the Serbs, and Serbia has by far the most refugees today. The ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo has been going on for decades, long before your boogey man Slobo was around, and that is a fact well documented by the New York times and other western papers. You continually ignore this. Racak was a proven hoax, you ignore this. William Cohen went on the news and claimed there were '100,000 dead albanians' in Kosovo, a blatant proven lie which helped start the criminal bombardment of Serbia for 78 days.
You continue to ignore the men, women, and CHILDREN, around 3,000 of them, butchered by Naser Oric's war criminals in the villages surrounding Srebrenica. You continue support the kangaroo court in the Hague, which actually released Oric, as well as Gotovina - I guess in your eyes the Serbs ethnically cleansed themselves. You're a joke. You ignore war crimes against Serbs, and keep repeating Orwellian talking points.
If your 'business' really is Serbia, if you are some kind of analyst or in the diplomatic circles, well congratulations, you're a complete failure! Because of people like you, the Balkans is a mess right now. You are a bunch of ignorants incapable of rational thought.
Cheers!!

The results of this pool are completely discouraging... I want Serbia to Join the EU, but I have to recognise that they haven't seen anything good from it. For the average serbs the money and donations of EU are not enough.

There must be a process of recognition of what some serbs did to the other people of the balkans. The previous government did many things to do it, bot the neighbours and the EU dind't want to pay attention to that, and now, from the aquital of Gotovina, that process has come to and end.

The EU and specially Germany must change it's stance towards Serbia.