LMAO at some self-loathing Serbs here and Greeko-anciento-junkies as well.
To cut the long story short : Not only Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian civilization, but also Makedonia (north and south) as well as western and central Greece (And western Bulgaria, all ekavica speaking regions). The oldest and biggest and prettiest monuments in central/northern Greece are SERBIAN ....
(in no way am i willing to undermine the vast impact of Slavs in southern Greece as well, but lets focus on northern Greece).
Spoiled greeks easily can equate a name (makedonia) for 200B damage in bombs and 10000s of lost Serbian/Slavic souls.
Serbs need no friends like albo-greeks.
Serbs must unite with SLAVS. Makedonians-Bosnians-Bulgarians-Croatians...
I wish for a mega slavic union in the balkans as it was so many times in history...
micro-serbian micro-nationalism (with all its side-effects like friendship with romania-greece-spain (all bombers) and i dunno who else) is destined to fail...
Inter-slavic unity will be the answer... Long live the slavs of the balkans, and their leaders THE SERBS.
First time Albo com in the Balkan is mid April 1042yr.
Greaks destroy All military albo in the Ohrid (including arogant sicilian albo Maniakes).This people don't learn nothing from Greaks or Serb.Your comment is very accurate for Kosovo.
(sofronije, 30 January 2013 09:07)
LOLOLO learn from Greeks and Serbs?!!!! Hahhaaaa.. Learn what? Give me one example, please….
Reply- mitsos 29/01/13: You say I talk of'"macedonian" language,ethnicity. culture & a country that has been changed', you've left out 1 important aspect of my comment;'The Macedonian language,region,country,people,ethnicity, & culture';I also included 'region'. So no I'm not talking of or 'hinting' at just 1 state,culture,religion,people,or ethnic group. Of course as with the Macedonian region,& all those that call themselves Macedonians,The Republic Of Macedonia has also been shaped by the unavoidable influence of war,politics,religion & culture. Like the idea of being British or being from Britain,Macedonians throughout the world; from Melbourne,Toronto,Skopje,Athens,Thessaloniki or Bitola come from many historical,cultural,religious & ethnic backgrounds. My point is that its not as easy as a perceived undiluted link to a brief period of the ancient world 2000 yrs ago. Nationalists across all borders of the Macedonian situation do a disservice to those they claim to represent by trying to monopolize all for their paradigm of what it means to be 'Macedonian'. Unfortunately questions of identity,borders & statehood are far more complicated than just individual periods of history. So when I state 'The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, & culture' I am respecting all those who exercise their base human right of self determination not at the behest of others, & whose identity is made up of from eons not centuries no matter where they call home. Respect UK.
First time Albo com in the Balkan is mid April 1042yr.
Greaks destroy All military albo in the Ohrid (including arogant sicilian albo Maniakes).This people don't learn nothing from Greaks or Serb.Your comment is very accurate for Kosovo.
Serbian people are historic allies and friends with us .also we must not forget that kossovo is the cradle of Serbian orthodoxia from medieval era until now and always was a serbian territory !!
(mitsos, 29 January 2013 17:48)
To the point Mitsos, and I like it when you play it rough!!
I think our PM should be pressuring the FYROM government to retract their recognition of Kosovo. Our foreign policy should be in line with our Greek brothers. Kosovo is Serbia! MOC is SPC simple. Dacic is a little commie liar!
Negative comments about kossovo recognition coming from my countrymen r having a bitter sense of criticism against the Serbian leadership, are because of the last non appropriate declarations against greece interests!! and do not fit with traditional Greek-Serbian friendship ! however, these negative comments against national interest of serbia must be stoped , since the Serbian people are historic allies and friends with us .also we must not forget that kossovo is the cradle of Serbian orthodoxia from medieval era until now and always was a serbian territory !!
I too as a Greek hope that our Government swiftly recognises the Freedom and nationhood of the Republic of Kosovo.
If its good enough for the Serbs to call FYROM 'Macedonia' than its good enough for us to recognise Kosovo.
And a HUGE LOL to the Serbs thinking they will have any influence in the naming dispute with the Bulgarian speaking Slavs of FYROM
(Steve, 29 January 2013 10:16)
You must be one of them 'Greeks" that physically resembles the Turkish doctor that was involved in illegal
organ harvesting, and this here Turkish looking Greek that's selling cheeseburgers? You know what I mean? I do! It's something in the blood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=guQzlA86BJA
(F54, 29 January 2013 13:20)@my dear friend ! In Your post about the "macedonian entity" is rather not easily understood at least by me . You've said that macedonian history wasn't cut off after Alexander the great death which is correct ,but in the same time you are speaking about the "macedonian" language,ethnicity. culture and a country that has been changed....(?).. via centuries , because of assimilations ,annexations, migrations and all these ,as you are saying have a profound effect on what makes up a state . I have the impresion that you want saying to the readers that the today self-proclaimed, south-slavs in FYROM , as "macedonias" are the people and the country that has been changed ....? Is this the point you are hinting ? or My own misconception??
The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, and culture is about far more than the brief history of a self proclaimed god and despot from over two thousand years ago. There wasn't a cut off point for Macedonian history with the death of Alexander The Great. As with all the peoples of Europe from two thousand years ago The Macedonians evolved; assimilation, annexation, liberation, and migration have all had a profound effect on what makes up a state; religion, culture, language, and ethnic identity. The entire world is and always has been in a state of constant flux; whether it be the movement of people, language or ideas, definitions of all have changed throughout time. Respect UK
Expect Kosovo to be recognize by the Greek government in the not to far future. With "friends' like the current PM of Serbia who needs enemies.
(Macedonians are Greek, 28 January 2013 20:56)
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You're right. These sellouts are ready to kick their grandmother to the curb in order to keep their seats. They are against their own Serbs so it is no surprise they are not doing the right thing by the Greeks.
I as a Serb am very disappointed.
The problem is that there is absolutely nobody to vote for. They are all the same so people don't get a voice.
Just remember, people of Serbia know and appreciate your friendship. Little can be done until there is a quality party to vote for.
Dear Greek friend. The Greek people stood with us and I love them, but not the Greek government. The Greek government permitted the use of its air space to bomb Serbia on Easter. As a reward, the EU and NATO helped rob the greek people, and destroy political stability in the cradle of western civilization. I am sorry you don't like the Serbian Prime Minister, but neither do I. I don't blame the Greek people for the failure of its governments. You can take the EU and Nato position and recognize anyone you want, but it would be on your shame and not ours. Ζήτω Το Ελληνικό λαό
"Dačić and Gruevski agreed that the issue of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC) and the Macedonian Orthodox Church was "not in the area of state issues", but they both expressed their willingness to provide assistance in order to reach a solution as soon as possible.
In this context, Dačić mentioned the issue of the SPC property."
I'm suprised we've not heard already people screaming that Macedonia is Serbia, Macedonia is the cradle of the Serb civilization, etc. etc. since there is SPC property there...
I have said repeatedly that Serbia should never have recognized the name 'Macedonia', for Macedonians are Greeks. The FYROMIANS are slavic and have nothing to do with Alexander the Great, absolutely nothing, and that's a fact. It is the usurping of someone else's history. On top of that, the FYROMIANS actually recognized the fictitious 'state' of Kosovo, and Serbia continue to recognize their name as Macedonia - this is a continuation of Tadic's treasonous policies. Unbelievable! But I expect nothing good from Dacic. The fact that some western officials are all of a sudden starting to praise him tells you all you need to know.
He's a fat little commie traitor and opportunist, who changes his mind with the wind (and depending on whom he is talking to), and is a pathological liar. He has no principles, and Kostunica is absolutely right that he should resign before he destroys Serbia. I apologize to our Greek friends for our idiotic and treasonous politicians, they really are corrupt and paid for by enemies of Serbia. The Serbian people are with you, and hopefully we will have a representative governemnt soon.
Cheers!!
"I express my sincere regret to all (Albanians) those who have suffered from behavior to which I am condemned," said Ojdanic
One of the top Serb military official in the 90's himself said that today! You cannot keep hiding your crimes serbia, we Albanians are angry and want to make you pay now...did we ever touch your churches before the war crimes? - NO! it only started after what you did to our children and elderly.
Alex, what does the church have to do with anything. Aren't you for the separation of church and state? The state doesn't dictate to church nor the otherway. They both can offer opinions, but neither can directly manage the other.
furthermore, where does it say that neighbours (either countries or individuals) must agree upon all things. There is a difference of opinion between these two nations. That is a healthy thing, and should be discussed properly. These are how things actually are, and not some sort of yesa-boss master-slave relationship it seems you are using to justify your obserd claims.
Why is Serbian PM even there? Macedonians are backstabbing traitors who have turned their back on their Serbian brothers to support and recognize the illegal narco entity of Kosovo*!! If the Serbian leadership had any backbone they would support our Greek brothers and never recognize the name of Macedonia!!
As a Greek I am extremely offended by the unprincipled backstabbing of the current Serbian PM on the Greek people.
Greeks were standing by Serbia when no one was. No one.
Now the current Serbian PM disgustingly pretending not to notice the former Yugoslavians sudden change away from Slavs into descendents of Ancient macedonians? Pretends not to notice the irredentims of FYROM towards Greece?
Expect Kosovo to be recognize by the Greek government in the not to far future. With "friends' like the current PM of Serbia who needs enemies.
Hahaha just two issues wow man these Serbian politicians are mentally ill.
Only two issues I won't recognize your Church that's offensive and I do t respect your countrie's decisions.
Soon Serbian politicians with this attitude won't be allowed to visit Macedonia hmmm another 10 years
Not sure what someone means by Serbia getting Nokia-zed, but as for a Greater Serbia, that will not be, nor will a Greater Albania. I am pretty sure that borders in the Balkans are set for some time to come. Eventually, when world super-power shifts happen, as they are expected, we may one day see some renewed activity, it's just the nature of the peoples of the Balkans to just leave well enough alone. In any case, Serbia and Macedonia should remain friends and partners, even if there are some political disagreements.
It's only a matter of time that Serbia (including KiM), Montenegro, Macedonia and Republika Srpska create a new unified country and alls we have to thank are the albanians and bosniaks who opened our eyes.
(Robert1899, 28 January 2013 12:38)
In what sense somebody opened your eyes? The Greater Serbia project is not really new, nor it was very successful when you tried it the last time. In fact, you got Nokia-zed and you know thanks to Apple and Samsung even that tiny bit might be soon gone, permanently. So Serbia became more Nokia than ever..
It's only a matter of time that Serbia (including KiM), Montenegro, Macedonia and Republika Srpska create a new unified country and alls we have to thank are the albanians and bosniaks who opened our eyes.
It's only a matter of time that Serbia (including KiM), Montenegro, Macedonia and Republika Srpska create a new unified country and alls we have to thank are the albanians and bosniaks who opened our eyes.
(Robert1899, 28 January 2013 12:38)
In what sense somebody opened your eyes? The Greater Serbia project is not really new, nor it was very successful when you tried it the last time. In fact, you got Nokia-zed and you know thanks to Apple and Samsung even that tiny bit might be soon gone, permanently. So Serbia became more Nokia than ever..
It's only a matter of time that Serbia (including KiM), Montenegro, Macedonia and Republika Srpska create a new unified country and alls we have to thank are the albanians and bosniaks who opened our eyes.
Not sure what someone means by Serbia getting Nokia-zed, but as for a Greater Serbia, that will not be, nor will a Greater Albania. I am pretty sure that borders in the Balkans are set for some time to come. Eventually, when world super-power shifts happen, as they are expected, we may one day see some renewed activity, it's just the nature of the peoples of the Balkans to just leave well enough alone. In any case, Serbia and Macedonia should remain friends and partners, even if there are some political disagreements.
As a Greek I am extremely offended by the unprincipled backstabbing of the current Serbian PM on the Greek people.
Greeks were standing by Serbia when no one was. No one.
Now the current Serbian PM disgustingly pretending not to notice the former Yugoslavians sudden change away from Slavs into descendents of Ancient macedonians? Pretends not to notice the irredentims of FYROM towards Greece?
Expect Kosovo to be recognize by the Greek government in the not to far future. With "friends' like the current PM of Serbia who needs enemies.
Why is Serbian PM even there? Macedonians are backstabbing traitors who have turned their back on their Serbian brothers to support and recognize the illegal narco entity of Kosovo*!! If the Serbian leadership had any backbone they would support our Greek brothers and never recognize the name of Macedonia!!
"I express my sincere regret to all (Albanians) those who have suffered from behavior to which I am condemned," said Ojdanic
One of the top Serb military official in the 90's himself said that today! You cannot keep hiding your crimes serbia, we Albanians are angry and want to make you pay now...did we ever touch your churches before the war crimes? - NO! it only started after what you did to our children and elderly.
I have said repeatedly that Serbia should never have recognized the name 'Macedonia', for Macedonians are Greeks. The FYROMIANS are slavic and have nothing to do with Alexander the Great, absolutely nothing, and that's a fact. It is the usurping of someone else's history. On top of that, the FYROMIANS actually recognized the fictitious 'state' of Kosovo, and Serbia continue to recognize their name as Macedonia - this is a continuation of Tadic's treasonous policies. Unbelievable! But I expect nothing good from Dacic. The fact that some western officials are all of a sudden starting to praise him tells you all you need to know.
He's a fat little commie traitor and opportunist, who changes his mind with the wind (and depending on whom he is talking to), and is a pathological liar. He has no principles, and Kostunica is absolutely right that he should resign before he destroys Serbia. I apologize to our Greek friends for our idiotic and treasonous politicians, they really are corrupt and paid for by enemies of Serbia. The Serbian people are with you, and hopefully we will have a representative governemnt soon.
Cheers!!
Expect Kosovo to be recognize by the Greek government in the not to far future. With "friends' like the current PM of Serbia who needs enemies.
(Macedonians are Greek, 28 January 2013 20:56)
=========================
You're right. These sellouts are ready to kick their grandmother to the curb in order to keep their seats. They are against their own Serbs so it is no surprise they are not doing the right thing by the Greeks.
I as a Serb am very disappointed.
The problem is that there is absolutely nobody to vote for. They are all the same so people don't get a voice.
Just remember, people of Serbia know and appreciate your friendship. Little can be done until there is a quality party to vote for.
Dear Greek friend. The Greek people stood with us and I love them, but not the Greek government. The Greek government permitted the use of its air space to bomb Serbia on Easter. As a reward, the EU and NATO helped rob the greek people, and destroy political stability in the cradle of western civilization. I am sorry you don't like the Serbian Prime Minister, but neither do I. I don't blame the Greek people for the failure of its governments. You can take the EU and Nato position and recognize anyone you want, but it would be on your shame and not ours. Ζήτω Το Ελληνικό λαό
Hahaha just two issues wow man these Serbian politicians are mentally ill.
Only two issues I won't recognize your Church that's offensive and I do t respect your countrie's decisions.
Soon Serbian politicians with this attitude won't be allowed to visit Macedonia hmmm another 10 years
I too as a Greek hope that our Government swiftly recognises the Freedom and nationhood of the Republic of Kosovo.
If its good enough for the Serbs to call FYROM 'Macedonia' than its good enough for us to recognise Kosovo.
And a HUGE LOL to the Serbs thinking they will have any influence in the naming dispute with the Bulgarian speaking Slavs of FYROM
(Steve, 29 January 2013 10:16)
You must be one of them 'Greeks" that physically resembles the Turkish doctor that was involved in illegal
organ harvesting, and this here Turkish looking Greek that's selling cheeseburgers? You know what I mean? I do! It's something in the blood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=guQzlA86BJA
Negative comments about kossovo recognition coming from my countrymen r having a bitter sense of criticism against the Serbian leadership, are because of the last non appropriate declarations against greece interests!! and do not fit with traditional Greek-Serbian friendship ! however, these negative comments against national interest of serbia must be stoped , since the Serbian people are historic allies and friends with us .also we must not forget that kossovo is the cradle of Serbian orthodoxia from medieval era until now and always was a serbian territory !!
"Dačić and Gruevski agreed that the issue of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC) and the Macedonian Orthodox Church was "not in the area of state issues", but they both expressed their willingness to provide assistance in order to reach a solution as soon as possible.
In this context, Dačić mentioned the issue of the SPC property."
I'm suprised we've not heard already people screaming that Macedonia is Serbia, Macedonia is the cradle of the Serb civilization, etc. etc. since there is SPC property there...
I think our PM should be pressuring the FYROM government to retract their recognition of Kosovo. Our foreign policy should be in line with our Greek brothers. Kosovo is Serbia! MOC is SPC simple. Dacic is a little commie liar!
Alex, what does the church have to do with anything. Aren't you for the separation of church and state? The state doesn't dictate to church nor the otherway. They both can offer opinions, but neither can directly manage the other.
furthermore, where does it say that neighbours (either countries or individuals) must agree upon all things. There is a difference of opinion between these two nations. That is a healthy thing, and should be discussed properly. These are how things actually are, and not some sort of yesa-boss master-slave relationship it seems you are using to justify your obserd claims.
(F54, 29 January 2013 13:20)@my dear friend ! In Your post about the "macedonian entity" is rather not easily understood at least by me . You've said that macedonian history wasn't cut off after Alexander the great death which is correct ,but in the same time you are speaking about the "macedonian" language,ethnicity. culture and a country that has been changed....(?).. via centuries , because of assimilations ,annexations, migrations and all these ,as you are saying have a profound effect on what makes up a state . I have the impresion that you want saying to the readers that the today self-proclaimed, south-slavs in FYROM , as "macedonias" are the people and the country that has been changed ....? Is this the point you are hinting ? or My own misconception??
The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, and culture is about far more than the brief history of a self proclaimed god and despot from over two thousand years ago. There wasn't a cut off point for Macedonian history with the death of Alexander The Great. As with all the peoples of Europe from two thousand years ago The Macedonians evolved; assimilation, annexation, liberation, and migration have all had a profound effect on what makes up a state; religion, culture, language, and ethnic identity. The entire world is and always has been in a state of constant flux; whether it be the movement of people, language or ideas, definitions of all have changed throughout time. Respect UK
Serbian people are historic allies and friends with us .also we must not forget that kossovo is the cradle of Serbian orthodoxia from medieval era until now and always was a serbian territory !!
(mitsos, 29 January 2013 17:48)
To the point Mitsos, and I like it when you play it rough!!
First time Albo com in the Balkan is mid April 1042yr.
Greaks destroy All military albo in the Ohrid (including arogant sicilian albo Maniakes).This people don't learn nothing from Greaks or Serb.Your comment is very accurate for Kosovo.
First time Albo com in the Balkan is mid April 1042yr.
Greaks destroy All military albo in the Ohrid (including arogant sicilian albo Maniakes).This people don't learn nothing from Greaks or Serb.Your comment is very accurate for Kosovo.
(sofronije, 30 January 2013 09:07)
LOLOLO learn from Greeks and Serbs?!!!! Hahhaaaa.. Learn what? Give me one example, please….
LMAO at some self-loathing Serbs here and Greeko-anciento-junkies as well.
To cut the long story short : Not only Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian civilization, but also Makedonia (north and south) as well as western and central Greece (And western Bulgaria, all ekavica speaking regions). The oldest and biggest and prettiest monuments in central/northern Greece are SERBIAN ....
(in no way am i willing to undermine the vast impact of Slavs in southern Greece as well, but lets focus on northern Greece).
Spoiled greeks easily can equate a name (makedonia) for 200B damage in bombs and 10000s of lost Serbian/Slavic souls.
Serbs need no friends like albo-greeks.
Serbs must unite with SLAVS. Makedonians-Bosnians-Bulgarians-Croatians...
I wish for a mega slavic union in the balkans as it was so many times in history...
micro-serbian micro-nationalism (with all its side-effects like friendship with romania-greece-spain (all bombers) and i dunno who else) is destined to fail...
Inter-slavic unity will be the answer... Long live the slavs of the balkans, and their leaders THE SERBS.
Reply- mitsos 29/01/13: You say I talk of'"macedonian" language,ethnicity. culture & a country that has been changed', you've left out 1 important aspect of my comment;'The Macedonian language,region,country,people,ethnicity, & culture';I also included 'region'. So no I'm not talking of or 'hinting' at just 1 state,culture,religion,people,or ethnic group. Of course as with the Macedonian region,& all those that call themselves Macedonians,The Republic Of Macedonia has also been shaped by the unavoidable influence of war,politics,religion & culture. Like the idea of being British or being from Britain,Macedonians throughout the world; from Melbourne,Toronto,Skopje,Athens,Thessaloniki or Bitola come from many historical,cultural,religious & ethnic backgrounds. My point is that its not as easy as a perceived undiluted link to a brief period of the ancient world 2000 yrs ago. Nationalists across all borders of the Macedonian situation do a disservice to those they claim to represent by trying to monopolize all for their paradigm of what it means to be 'Macedonian'. Unfortunately questions of identity,borders & statehood are far more complicated than just individual periods of history. So when I state 'The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, & culture' I am respecting all those who exercise their base human right of self determination not at the behest of others, & whose identity is made up of from eons not centuries no matter where they call home. Respect UK.
It's only a matter of time that Serbia (including KiM), Montenegro, Macedonia and Republika Srpska create a new unified country and alls we have to thank are the albanians and bosniaks who opened our eyes.
It's only a matter of time that Serbia (including KiM), Montenegro, Macedonia and Republika Srpska create a new unified country and alls we have to thank are the albanians and bosniaks who opened our eyes.
(Robert1899, 28 January 2013 12:38)
In what sense somebody opened your eyes? The Greater Serbia project is not really new, nor it was very successful when you tried it the last time. In fact, you got Nokia-zed and you know thanks to Apple and Samsung even that tiny bit might be soon gone, permanently. So Serbia became more Nokia than ever..
As a Greek I am extremely offended by the unprincipled backstabbing of the current Serbian PM on the Greek people.
Greeks were standing by Serbia when no one was. No one.
Now the current Serbian PM disgustingly pretending not to notice the former Yugoslavians sudden change away from Slavs into descendents of Ancient macedonians? Pretends not to notice the irredentims of FYROM towards Greece?
Expect Kosovo to be recognize by the Greek government in the not to far future. With "friends' like the current PM of Serbia who needs enemies.
Hahaha just two issues wow man these Serbian politicians are mentally ill.
Only two issues I won't recognize your Church that's offensive and I do t respect your countrie's decisions.
Soon Serbian politicians with this attitude won't be allowed to visit Macedonia hmmm another 10 years
"I express my sincere regret to all (Albanians) those who have suffered from behavior to which I am condemned," said Ojdanic
One of the top Serb military official in the 90's himself said that today! You cannot keep hiding your crimes serbia, we Albanians are angry and want to make you pay now...did we ever touch your churches before the war crimes? - NO! it only started after what you did to our children and elderly.
Why is Serbian PM even there? Macedonians are backstabbing traitors who have turned their back on their Serbian brothers to support and recognize the illegal narco entity of Kosovo*!! If the Serbian leadership had any backbone they would support our Greek brothers and never recognize the name of Macedonia!!
"Dačić and Gruevski agreed that the issue of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC) and the Macedonian Orthodox Church was "not in the area of state issues", but they both expressed their willingness to provide assistance in order to reach a solution as soon as possible.
In this context, Dačić mentioned the issue of the SPC property."
I'm suprised we've not heard already people screaming that Macedonia is Serbia, Macedonia is the cradle of the Serb civilization, etc. etc. since there is SPC property there...
I have said repeatedly that Serbia should never have recognized the name 'Macedonia', for Macedonians are Greeks. The FYROMIANS are slavic and have nothing to do with Alexander the Great, absolutely nothing, and that's a fact. It is the usurping of someone else's history. On top of that, the FYROMIANS actually recognized the fictitious 'state' of Kosovo, and Serbia continue to recognize their name as Macedonia - this is a continuation of Tadic's treasonous policies. Unbelievable! But I expect nothing good from Dacic. The fact that some western officials are all of a sudden starting to praise him tells you all you need to know.
He's a fat little commie traitor and opportunist, who changes his mind with the wind (and depending on whom he is talking to), and is a pathological liar. He has no principles, and Kostunica is absolutely right that he should resign before he destroys Serbia. I apologize to our Greek friends for our idiotic and treasonous politicians, they really are corrupt and paid for by enemies of Serbia. The Serbian people are with you, and hopefully we will have a representative governemnt soon.
Cheers!!
The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, and culture is about far more than the brief history of a self proclaimed god and despot from over two thousand years ago. There wasn't a cut off point for Macedonian history with the death of Alexander The Great. As with all the peoples of Europe from two thousand years ago The Macedonians evolved; assimilation, annexation, liberation, and migration have all had a profound effect on what makes up a state; religion, culture, language, and ethnic identity. The entire world is and always has been in a state of constant flux; whether it be the movement of people, language or ideas, definitions of all have changed throughout time. Respect UK
Not sure what someone means by Serbia getting Nokia-zed, but as for a Greater Serbia, that will not be, nor will a Greater Albania. I am pretty sure that borders in the Balkans are set for some time to come. Eventually, when world super-power shifts happen, as they are expected, we may one day see some renewed activity, it's just the nature of the peoples of the Balkans to just leave well enough alone. In any case, Serbia and Macedonia should remain friends and partners, even if there are some political disagreements.
Alex, what does the church have to do with anything. Aren't you for the separation of church and state? The state doesn't dictate to church nor the otherway. They both can offer opinions, but neither can directly manage the other.
furthermore, where does it say that neighbours (either countries or individuals) must agree upon all things. There is a difference of opinion between these two nations. That is a healthy thing, and should be discussed properly. These are how things actually are, and not some sort of yesa-boss master-slave relationship it seems you are using to justify your obserd claims.
Expect Kosovo to be recognize by the Greek government in the not to far future. With "friends' like the current PM of Serbia who needs enemies.
(Macedonians are Greek, 28 January 2013 20:56)
=========================
You're right. These sellouts are ready to kick their grandmother to the curb in order to keep their seats. They are against their own Serbs so it is no surprise they are not doing the right thing by the Greeks.
I as a Serb am very disappointed.
The problem is that there is absolutely nobody to vote for. They are all the same so people don't get a voice.
Just remember, people of Serbia know and appreciate your friendship. Little can be done until there is a quality party to vote for.
Dear Greek friend. The Greek people stood with us and I love them, but not the Greek government. The Greek government permitted the use of its air space to bomb Serbia on Easter. As a reward, the EU and NATO helped rob the greek people, and destroy political stability in the cradle of western civilization. I am sorry you don't like the Serbian Prime Minister, but neither do I. I don't blame the Greek people for the failure of its governments. You can take the EU and Nato position and recognize anyone you want, but it would be on your shame and not ours. Ζήτω Το Ελληνικό λαό
I too as a Greek hope that our Government swiftly recognises the Freedom and nationhood of the Republic of Kosovo.
If its good enough for the Serbs to call FYROM 'Macedonia' than its good enough for us to recognise Kosovo.
And a HUGE LOL to the Serbs thinking they will have any influence in the naming dispute with the Bulgarian speaking Slavs of FYROM
(Steve, 29 January 2013 10:16)
You must be one of them 'Greeks" that physically resembles the Turkish doctor that was involved in illegal
organ harvesting, and this here Turkish looking Greek that's selling cheeseburgers? You know what I mean? I do! It's something in the blood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=guQzlA86BJA
LMAO at some self-loathing Serbs here and Greeko-anciento-junkies as well.
To cut the long story short : Not only Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian civilization, but also Makedonia (north and south) as well as western and central Greece (And western Bulgaria, all ekavica speaking regions). The oldest and biggest and prettiest monuments in central/northern Greece are SERBIAN ....
(in no way am i willing to undermine the vast impact of Slavs in southern Greece as well, but lets focus on northern Greece).
Spoiled greeks easily can equate a name (makedonia) for 200B damage in bombs and 10000s of lost Serbian/Slavic souls.
Serbs need no friends like albo-greeks.
Serbs must unite with SLAVS. Makedonians-Bosnians-Bulgarians-Croatians...
I wish for a mega slavic union in the balkans as it was so many times in history...
micro-serbian micro-nationalism (with all its side-effects like friendship with romania-greece-spain (all bombers) and i dunno who else) is destined to fail...
Inter-slavic unity will be the answer... Long live the slavs of the balkans, and their leaders THE SERBS.
Negative comments about kossovo recognition coming from my countrymen r having a bitter sense of criticism against the Serbian leadership, are because of the last non appropriate declarations against greece interests!! and do not fit with traditional Greek-Serbian friendship ! however, these negative comments against national interest of serbia must be stoped , since the Serbian people are historic allies and friends with us .also we must not forget that kossovo is the cradle of Serbian orthodoxia from medieval era until now and always was a serbian territory !!
I think our PM should be pressuring the FYROM government to retract their recognition of Kosovo. Our foreign policy should be in line with our Greek brothers. Kosovo is Serbia! MOC is SPC simple. Dacic is a little commie liar!
First time Albo com in the Balkan is mid April 1042yr.
Greaks destroy All military albo in the Ohrid (including arogant sicilian albo Maniakes).This people don't learn nothing from Greaks or Serb.Your comment is very accurate for Kosovo.
(sofronije, 30 January 2013 09:07)
LOLOLO learn from Greeks and Serbs?!!!! Hahhaaaa.. Learn what? Give me one example, please….
First time Albo com in the Balkan is mid April 1042yr.
Greaks destroy All military albo in the Ohrid (including arogant sicilian albo Maniakes).This people don't learn nothing from Greaks or Serb.Your comment is very accurate for Kosovo.
(F54, 29 January 2013 13:20)@my dear friend ! In Your post about the "macedonian entity" is rather not easily understood at least by me . You've said that macedonian history wasn't cut off after Alexander the great death which is correct ,but in the same time you are speaking about the "macedonian" language,ethnicity. culture and a country that has been changed....(?).. via centuries , because of assimilations ,annexations, migrations and all these ,as you are saying have a profound effect on what makes up a state . I have the impresion that you want saying to the readers that the today self-proclaimed, south-slavs in FYROM , as "macedonias" are the people and the country that has been changed ....? Is this the point you are hinting ? or My own misconception??
Serbian people are historic allies and friends with us .also we must not forget that kossovo is the cradle of Serbian orthodoxia from medieval era until now and always was a serbian territory !!
(mitsos, 29 January 2013 17:48)
To the point Mitsos, and I like it when you play it rough!!
Reply- mitsos 29/01/13: You say I talk of'"macedonian" language,ethnicity. culture & a country that has been changed', you've left out 1 important aspect of my comment;'The Macedonian language,region,country,people,ethnicity, & culture';I also included 'region'. So no I'm not talking of or 'hinting' at just 1 state,culture,religion,people,or ethnic group. Of course as with the Macedonian region,& all those that call themselves Macedonians,The Republic Of Macedonia has also been shaped by the unavoidable influence of war,politics,religion & culture. Like the idea of being British or being from Britain,Macedonians throughout the world; from Melbourne,Toronto,Skopje,Athens,Thessaloniki or Bitola come from many historical,cultural,religious & ethnic backgrounds. My point is that its not as easy as a perceived undiluted link to a brief period of the ancient world 2000 yrs ago. Nationalists across all borders of the Macedonian situation do a disservice to those they claim to represent by trying to monopolize all for their paradigm of what it means to be 'Macedonian'. Unfortunately questions of identity,borders & statehood are far more complicated than just individual periods of history. So when I state 'The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, & culture' I am respecting all those who exercise their base human right of self determination not at the behest of others, & whose identity is made up of from eons not centuries no matter where they call home. Respect UK.
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