PM: Kosovo in UN would mean recognition

Kosovo is Serbia. Always has been and always will be.

The headline of this article is completely wrong. In the article is obviously stated: The German ambassador "agreed that the statement about Kosovo's UN membership had been exaggerated and misinterpreted", said Tanjug.
So, obviously no UN seat for Kosovo, which is still considered as part of Serbia.

Please give me the name of one known kalb?Criminals and terrorists not included! (MikeC, 25 January 2013 20:17)

We have Mother Teresa, and nobody in Hague Jails.

"At the time, the UN seat is the only thing that Kosovo cannot secure without Serbia. Unfortunately, everything else it can," he added.

Switzerland was not a UN member till 2002, yet it was a state and did very well without being a member.



Wilhelm repeated that "Priština has the European Union as its trump card" - while for Serbia, this "trump card" is the UN, according to the diplomat.


Now, this is tit for tat. Full stop Serbia.

"Kosovo is Serbia. Always has been and always will be."

Historical myths: among the world's worst menaces.

"At the time, the UN seat is the only thing that Kosovo cannot secure without Serbia. Unfortunately, everything else it can," he added.

Kosovo's UN seat does not depend on Serbia but on Russia and China. They can act more serbs than the serbs themselves if they want, but for as long as it is Serbia that begs them for their support,Serbia is the one held responsible for blocking Kosovo's UN membership.As a consequence Serbia will be punished by being kept out of EU. And that is where your UN upper hand ends. Kosovo on the other end can continue the slow process of getting more recognitions until it gets the same UN status as Vatican and Palestine. Once again, if Serbs cannot stand each other to the point that they decide to split in to Serbia and Montenegro then is just logical that Albanians in Kosovo do the same and split from Serbia. Somehow serbs have this idea that they have the right to rule over Albanians and that they can gain by being in an eternal conflict with us.You have been proven wrong.

kosovo in UN that's means independent it's All ready in dependent

Wilhelm repeated that "Pristina has the European Union as its trump card" - while for Serbia, this "trump card" is the UN, according to the diplomat.

One more time for the serb camp...

Wilhelm repeated that "Pristina has the European Union as its trump card" - while for Serbia, this "trump card" is the UN, according to the diplomat.


Tung,

Invade Pristina.
Take it, Pristina is old Slavic land.

Oh my God! You have really lost it. Are you comparing Kosovo to Switzerland? Dude, they are the compleate oposite. Switzerland makes watches, chocolate etc while Kosovo is barbaric, backwards and poor. Switzerland has Federer and other prominent people while Kosovo has........hmm.....do you have any one known besides........help me out here. Please give me the name of one known kalb? Criminals and terrorists not included!
(MikeC, 25 January 2013 20:17)

Well you compare Serbia with the US. How is this different? Serbia makes mass graves, war criminals and state terrorist thugs. The US makes spaceships.

"Switzerland was not a UN member till 2002, yet it was a state and did very well without being a member. "

Ardi Asllani

Oh my God! You have really lost it. Are you comparing Kosovo to Switzerland? Dude, they are the compleate oposite. Switzerland makes watches, chocolate etc while Kosovo is barbaric, backwards and poor. Switzerland has Federer and other prominent people while Kosovo has........hmm.....do you have any one known besides........help me out here. Please give me the name of one known kalb? Criminals and terrorists not included!

I love how the German ambassador used his diplomatic surgical knife on Dacic (who by the way looks cute in this outfit).
Basically, the German ambassador didnt change anything from his original statement. The core of his message in the original statement was that "UN seat for Kosovo should be a subject of discussion between the two groups in Brussels". Today he is saying (according to tanjug) that his statements were exagerated, but then again proceeds to say exactly what he originally said, and that is that the two sides should discuss this topic in Brussels as this is an important issue for Kosovo. This might sound less bitter to the general Serbian public, but to me if anything it is actually more harsh than the original statement, because here you have the German ambassador telling Dacic what is important to Kosovo and therefore this must be discussed. It almost comes across as if the German ambassador is protecting the interests of Kosovo.

Take it how you want it, but inevetibly there WILL be a recognition of independence by Serbia whether it likes it or not.

Adrian, if Kosovo was independent, it would not foreign troops, and foreign administrators on its soil. Let's cut the crap, and say it as it is, Kosovo is still disputed territory. No, it will not go back under Serbian rule, nor does Serbia want to rle all of it, but Kosovo is not an independent state. It may very well one day be, but let's not jump the gun.

Ardi,

Not the Switzerland arguement again. Yes, Switzerland did very well without being in UN. However KiM isn't Switzerland, if KiM was anything like Switzerland, Switzerland wouldn't be awash with albanians.

Ivica is saying where is my cute shower cap do you have one with a red star hammer and a sickle. His cap less buddy saying now they are going to blame us for the low quality of Serbian products I just new it.

The reason why dacic brought this up is because he knows Serbia talking about a Kosovo UN seat means independence and that is what dacic supports for eu membership. He can't pretend like he didn't know talking about a Kosovo UN seat didn't mean independence. He's meeting with thaci every month and collection customs and abolished Kosovo ministry and says Serbia constitution is deal letter on Kosovo!

Pristina is old Slavic land.
(Sergei, 25 January 2013 21:04)

Prishtina as Shkupi was founded by Justinian the Constantin's nephew born in northern Illiyria ruler of Berat Central Illyria where he become a christian.

Lond Long time, centuries, before ANY Slvaic tribe ever appeared in south-east europe.

stop making full out of yourself as your southern FYROM-ians brothers.

"Priština has the European Union as its trump card"
Wow this is great news.we all know.
I hope the EU have made the right choice.

Ops, it started!! He's finally talking about it.......

"We have Mother Teresa, and nobody in Hague Jails."

gjon fusha

As said k-albanians, not albanians. Besides, Mother Theresa was so proud to be albanian that she decided to help people in India instead of people in Albania. And, she wanted to be put in her final restinplace in India, not Albania. That's what a patriot she was.

You have no one in the Hague because Kosovo is a huge prison so they might as well be there.

Not the Switzerland arguement again. Yes, Switzerland did very well without being in UN. However KiM isn't Switzerland, if KiM was anything like Switzerland, Switzerland wouldn't be awash with albanians.
(robert1899, 25 January 2013 19:19) Switzerland did by stealing the depositors money from the Nazis and their victims. When the depositors survivors and their decedents demanded their money. The crooked Swiss government stalled for over 50 years by crooked legislation giving it back saying their was so very little of it. Only when the Americans got involved started banning the Swiss politicians and their company's doing business in the U.S. miraculously the money ,gold started appearing. Slowly returning billions to the twice victims of Swiss crooked government and banks that is how the Swiss economic crooked miracle was financed on victims backs.

I just gave an answer to MikeCs question. Not that I was expecting that MikeC or Peggy to change their attitude against Albanians, but just to clarify that we Albanians have a lot to be proud of, and the fact that Mother Teresa is Albanian is one. To tell the truth, having nobody in Hague Jails is not anything to be proud of, because, the rest of world have nobody either, but you Serbians has to be ashamed of that.
(gjon fusha, 26 January 2013 16:06)

Of course... you're missing the point. Serbs celebrate the opposite of what others celebrate. Serbs like to celebrate defeats (like the famous 1389 one).

"Serbia is the one held responsible for blocking Kosovo's UN membership.As a consequence Serbia will be punished by being kept out of EU. And that is where your UN upper hand ends."
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UN upper hand doesn't end anywhere because it can only end if UN ends.
Keeping Serbia out of EU is a blessing. English want to get out of EU and that doesn't tell you that EU should not even exist? Irish don't want it, and many don't want it. It is rammed down everyone's throat by their corrupt governments.

From where I am sitting, being out of UN is worse than being out of EU.

John keep dreaming about KOSOVO ,but Kosovo ,Prizren ,Gjakove ,Gjilan ,Peja,ect.its gone,you still can dream again but i told you the answer...Mike ,no one ever thought Greeks need to learn Turkish,but they are learning now and working in Turkey,so learn Albanian because you are going to need it.

"Lond Long time, centuries, before ANY Slvaic tribe ever appeared in south-east europe."

ben

Yes, you albs keep claiming this but how come this is nowhere to be found except in albanian history books? I mean this should be a known fact if it was indeet true? You claiming it to be true at this forum without any evidence makes it nothing more then a lie and wishful thinking. How come your illyrian ancestors didn't leave anything behind to prove they were there?

Mother Teresa came from Macedonia not Kosovo and yes nobody in Hague but many that should be.
(Peggy, 26 January 2013 01:51)
You have no one in the Hague because Kosovo is a huge prison so they might as well be there.
(MikeC, 26 January 2013 09:58)

I just gave an answer to MikeCs question. Not that I was expecting that MikeC or Peggy to change their attitude against Albanians, but just to clarify that we Albanians have a lot to be proud of, and the fact that Mother Teresa is Albanian is one. To tell the truth, having nobody in Hague Jails is not anything to be proud of, because, the rest of world have nobody either, but you Serbians has to be ashamed of that.

From where I am sitting, being out of UN is worse than being out of EU.
(Peggy, 26 January 2013 01:56)

Fair enough... I think the same because being a UN member would give me a chance to freely enter the UN building which I like so much to see. Unfortunately me and you, being individuals, will never be able to become UN members. It's a shame that countries like Kosovo, etc... don't value the UN membership as much as me and you do - they don't understand what they are missing, above all the privilege of being in the same room with Vuk.

"To tell the truth, having nobody in Hague Jails is not anything to be proud of, because, the rest of world have nobody either, but you Serbians has to be ashamed of that"

gjon fusha

If I knew for a fact that those serbs in the Hague were there because they did something wrong then I would say they deserve to be there. However, the entire world knows that the Hague is a political cangaroo court. Even you know that. The Hague is no measurement to who the bad guy of the balkans is. The number of victims is proof to who the biggest victim is. You need to truly ask yourself why only serbs are locked up even thought so many albs, croats and muslims commited crimes.

How come your illyrian ancestors didn't leave anything behind to prove they were there?
(MikeC, 26 January 2013 15:04)

oh so now Illirians never existed??? new Serbian history again???

Illirians have left behind a lot while the most importnat heritage is ALBANIANS and the Albanian's language.

But if you are more into stones then feel free to visit say for e.g. an entire town of Byllis which is loceated just 5-6km from the samll town of Ballshi.

Or if you don't want to travel too much go and visit Ulpiana you know where it is right?? :)

Fusha, Mother Teresa was of Albanian parents, but was really a Macedonian at heart, where she grew up and lived. In reality, because of her work, India has more claim to her han anyone. Please stop the claim towards her, she was not a Muslim, and would be very upset to see who is running Kosovo today. You must agree.

The US makes spaceships.
(j, 25 January 2013 22:22)
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Beam me up Scotty!

We have Mother Teresa, and nobody in Hague Jails.
(gjon fusha, 25 January 2013 21:14)
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Mother Teresa came from Macedonia not Kosovo and yes nobody in Hague but many that should be.
In any case she is Albanian but not everyone thinks of her as heavenly.

Make sure you watch all three parts of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ0i3nCx60

Whether one agrees with the opinion or impression given, the facts are coming from sources and are not negotiable.
The facts are that she did this or that or dealt with so and so and that's is not up for discussion.

j, No nation on earth can compete with the U.S. when it comes to making graves around the world.

Invade Pristina.
Take it, Pristina is old Slavic land.
(Sergei, 25 January 2013 21:04)

Православна браћа!

"Well you compare Serbia with the US. How is this different? Serbia makes mass graves, war criminals and state terrorist thugs. The US makes spaceships.
(j, 25 January 2013 22:22)"

well, then perhaps these Yankees should cut back on their spaceships if their humongous debts are anything to go by. http://www.federalbudget.com/

Unless they are planning to flee to Mars to escape their creditors ......

Adrian, if Kosovo was independent, it would not foreign troops, and foreign administrators on its soil.
(Winston, 25 January 2013 20:30)

Yes, and Kosovo is very happy about that because those foreign troops and foreign administrators are not Serbian - that's the whole point; Kosovo is independent from Serbia. If you're saying that Kosovo is not independent from, say, US, that's great - Kosovo is fine with not being independent from US.

Any other concern about the happiness in Kosovo (these days it appears that Serbs are more concerned about Kosovo's happiness than Kosovo's residents) ?

UN upper hand doesn't end anywhere because it can only end if UN ends.Keeping Serbia out of EU is a blessing. English want to get out of EU and that doesn't tell you that EU should not even exist? Irish don't want it, and many don't want it. It is rammed down everyone's throat by their corrupt governments.From where I am sitting, being out of UN is worse than being out of EU. (Peggy, 26. januar 2013 01:56) The Irish are a very pro-EU nation. They rejected the Lisbon Treaty the first time round due to it's implications re Abortion. The Irish are a very Catholic people there tend to be very anti-abortion. When they had confirmation that the Lisbon Treaty wouldn't force Ireland to change their abortion laws, the happily accepted it.

well, then perhaps these Yankees should cut back on their spaceships if their humongous debts are anything to go by. [link]/
(lowe, 26 January 2013 04:06)

No need for them to cut back for now... the Chinese and other investors are happy to provide the money at record low interest rates. Unfortunately, myself and the country where I live don't have the luxury to borrow at such low rates.

The Hague is no measurement to who the bad guy of the balkans is. You need to truly ask yourself why only serbs are locked up even thought so many albs, croats and muslims commited crimes.
(MikeC, 26 January 2013 17:31)

I know the answer to that question as rest of other people do. You in the other hand, do not know, do not like to know, can not believe it, would not like to believe it, or just like to deny it, whatever case is, that is what you doing.

"Or if you don't want to travel too much go and visit Ulpiana you know where it is right?? :)"

ben

Your comment didn't convince me of anything. You are asking me to visit certain places to see proof of the albanian/illyrian connection. I thought a link to a webbpage would do? No people in the world that I know of changed the name of their people through history like illyrians would change theirs.

(Ardi Asllani, 25 January 2013 17:41)
God you people grasp at straws at some of the most ridicules things. The German can yap all he likes but if his statement was correct then why the EU doesn’t take this matter to the UN – I’ll tell you why the EU does not because there are members that have not recognized Kosovo and there the EU body can do nothing. That does not say that individual countries cannot take issues up but on their own.
Before you Albanians piss in your pants with joy, yes it can be discussed as they can discuss climate change or Zoroastrianism or even Buddhism – nothing is off the table, but the answer to a UN seat is NO and NO to recognition from Belgrade.
If the above mysterious diplomat’s statement was correct this would have been over in 2002.
Its funny how they discuss things during another factory opening up in Serbia, but wiant a minute where is Kosova or Croatia???? Why don’t they open up industry there??????

"Invade Pristina.
Take it, Pristina is old Slavic land"

Right. Let's redraw the map so it looks like it did 3000 years ago! It's the new (old) world order! Hurray!

Of course... you're missing the point. Serbs celebrate the opposite of what others celebrate. Serbs like to celebrate defeats (like the famous 1389 one).
(icj1, 26 January 2013 17:30)
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Do you understand the difference between celebration and commemoration?
Do you understand that you can celebrate bravery and sacrifice even if you lose?
Are these things so foreign to Albanians and not to the rest of the world?
Australians celebrate Anzac day every year ever though they lost. Did you know that?

"No need for them to cut back for now... the Chinese and other investors are happy to provide the money at record low interest rates. Unfortunately, myself and the country where I live don't have the luxury to borrow at such low rates.
(icj1, 26 January 2013 17:15)"

well, I don't have the exact current figures, but if holding some less than 10% of Yankee debt makes the Chinese sugar daddies in the Yankees' eyes, then no wonder they are in such a financial cesspool today!

And frankly, my dear, I don't a da*n about your borrowing habits or that of your country of domicile.

j, No nation on earth can compete with the U.S. when it comes to making graves around the world.
(Robert1899, 26 January 2013 01:54)

SERBIA has done a pretty good job on that.

Kosovo's UN seat does not depend on Serbia but on Russia and China. They can act more serbs than the serbs themselves if they want, but for as long as it is Serbia that begs them for their support,Serbia is the one held responsible for blocking Kosovo's UN membership.As a consequence Serbia will be punished by being kept out of EU. And that is where your UN upper hand ends. Kosovo on the other end can continue the slow process of getting more recognitions until it gets the same UN status as Vatican and Palestine. Once again, if Serbs cannot stand each other to the point that they decide to split in to Serbia and Montenegro then is just logical that Albanians in Kosovo do the same and split from Serbia. Somehow serbs have this idea that they have the right to rule over Albanians and that they can gain by being in an eternal conflict with us.You have been proven wrong.
(Mark, 25 January 2013 20:52)

Not trying to be offensive here, but your comment shows a lack of basic understanding of Serbian history. How can anyone hope to claim that they are UN worthy country when an organ trader is a prime minister?? But i do understand your position considering that you are a Kosovo Albanian... As soon as neoliberal political order fall flat on its face, an US with it, the dream of Great Albany (current Albany + Kosovo + part of Montenegro + part of Macedonia) will end.

Illirians have left behind a lot while the most importnat heritage is ALBANIANS and the Albanian's language.
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Can you prove the connection between you and them?
How do you connect it?

“I'm sorry for the Chinese being in a financial cesspool, but I'm sure that in a few years they'll be able to reach the living standards of Serbia and, in a few decades, those of the developed countries.”

Well, from all my posts so far, it should be pretty obvious that I was referring to the Yankee financial cesspool. In case you are still conveniently in doubt, let me make it clear now – it’s the Yankees’ $16.4 trillion financial cesspool.

And oh, the major owners of Yankee government debt are the Yankee people themselves – poor things – having such a spendthrift government building spaceships (I’m taking j’s word for it of course), giving foreign “aid” to the likes of “Kosova”, waging wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and where else instead of spending all these money only on the electorate that elected them, etc, and THEN having to pay most of the interest on this humongous debt out of their own pockets via taxation (you honestly didn’t thought the borrowing was free did you?)

“That's exactly what I meant that you don't a da*n about my borrowing habits because as I said I'm not borrowing as much as I'd have wanted to so I'm not a good example to follow.
(icj1, 27 January 2013 16:57)”

Yes, you announced that you are not borrowing as much as you’d have wanted to. And as I told you earlier, and am repeating myself now -- I really couldn’t care less.

“Of course borrowing it is not free. And then what ?! Should borrowing and benefits there from stop, especially now that the interest rates are at record low? But I do understand where you're coming from - if I were to hate somebody I'd obviously give them a bad advice.”

And then what, you ask? Why ask me, I’m not the one saddled with all those interest payments. Ask those in the Yankee electorate, but do forgive them should they explode with expletives, won't you? Because however low the rates, they should still amount to a humongous amount given the size of the humongous debt incurred by their government.

“I’m happy that we are agreeing that you should not follow my example because as I said it is not a good one to follow.
(icj1, 29 January 2013 04:42) “

Who said anything about agreeing with you? I only stated that I couldn’t care less about your unsought info regarding whether you are a good example to follow or not. Indifference is hardly the same as agreement as I’m sure a check with your fave Merriam Webster would confirm.

Yeah, I think glorifying a loss as the main thing for a country is a bit foreign to me and most of the rest of the world. But you are certainly free to continue with the loss...
(icj1, 27 January 2013 16:47)
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What the He!l is wrong with you?
Did you not understnd my post or are you so hell bent on being a thorn in anyone's side?

I just said that Australia celebrates Anzac day every year and that was a huge loss for Australia and NZ.

The rest of the world does celebrate bravery and sacrifice of their soldiers whether they won or lost. It seems to be only you Albanians who forget your fallen ones if they don't win.

Do you understand the difference between celebration and commemoration?
Do you understand that you can celebrate bravery and sacrifice even if you lose?
Are these things so foreign to Albanians and not to the rest of the world?
Australians celebrate Anzac day every year ever though they lost. Did you know that?
(Peggy, 26 January 2013 23:41)

Yeah, I think glorifying a loss as the main thing for a country is a bit foreign to me and most of the rest of the world. But you are certainly free to continue with the loss...

well, I don't have the exact current figures, but if holding some less than 10% of Yankee debt makes the Chinese sugar daddies in the Yankees' eyes, then no wonder they are in such a financial cesspool today!
(lowe, 27 January 2013 05:13)

I'm sorry for the Chinese being in a financial cesspool, but I'm sure that in a few years they'll be able to reach the living standards of Serbia and, in a few decades, those of the developed countries.
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And frankly, my dear, I don't a da*n about your borrowing habits or that of your country of domicile.
(lowe, 27 January 2013 05:13)

That's exactly what I meant that you don't a da*n about my borrowing habits because as I said I'm not borrowing as much as I'd have wanted to so I'm not a good example to follow.

and THEN having to pay most of the interest on this humongous debt out of their own pockets via taxation (you honestly didn’t thought the borrowing was free did you?)
(lowe, 28 January 2013 04:37)

Of course borrowing it is not free. And then what ?! Should borrowing and benefits therefrom stop, especially now that the interest rates are at record low? But I do understand where you're coming from - if I were to hate somebody I'd obviously give them a bad advice.
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Yes, you announced that you are not borrowing as much as you’d have wanted to. And as I told you earlier, and am repeating myself now -- I really couldn’t care less.
(lowe, 28 January 2013 04:37)

I’m happy that we are agreeing that you should not follow my example because as I said it is not a good one to follow.

Kosovo is Serbia. Always has been and always will be.

"Switzerland was not a UN member till 2002, yet it was a state and did very well without being a member. "

Ardi Asllani

Oh my God! You have really lost it. Are you comparing Kosovo to Switzerland? Dude, they are the compleate oposite. Switzerland makes watches, chocolate etc while Kosovo is barbaric, backwards and poor. Switzerland has Federer and other prominent people while Kosovo has........hmm.....do you have any one known besides........help me out here. Please give me the name of one known kalb? Criminals and terrorists not included!

The headline of this article is completely wrong. In the article is obviously stated: The German ambassador "agreed that the statement about Kosovo's UN membership had been exaggerated and misinterpreted", said Tanjug.
So, obviously no UN seat for Kosovo, which is still considered as part of Serbia.

Invade Pristina.
Take it, Pristina is old Slavic land.

"At the time, the UN seat is the only thing that Kosovo cannot secure without Serbia. Unfortunately, everything else it can," he added.

Switzerland was not a UN member till 2002, yet it was a state and did very well without being a member.



Wilhelm repeated that "Priština has the European Union as its trump card" - while for Serbia, this "trump card" is the UN, according to the diplomat.


Now, this is tit for tat. Full stop Serbia.

Adrian, if Kosovo was independent, it would not foreign troops, and foreign administrators on its soil. Let's cut the crap, and say it as it is, Kosovo is still disputed territory. No, it will not go back under Serbian rule, nor does Serbia want to rle all of it, but Kosovo is not an independent state. It may very well one day be, but let's not jump the gun.

kosovo in UN that's means independent it's All ready in dependent

"Kosovo is Serbia. Always has been and always will be."

Historical myths: among the world's worst menaces.

Ardi,

Not the Switzerland arguement again. Yes, Switzerland did very well without being in UN. However KiM isn't Switzerland, if KiM was anything like Switzerland, Switzerland wouldn't be awash with albanians.

Ivica is saying where is my cute shower cap do you have one with a red star hammer and a sickle. His cap less buddy saying now they are going to blame us for the low quality of Serbian products I just new it.

Not the Switzerland arguement again. Yes, Switzerland did very well without being in UN. However KiM isn't Switzerland, if KiM was anything like Switzerland, Switzerland wouldn't be awash with albanians.
(robert1899, 25 January 2013 19:19) Switzerland did by stealing the depositors money from the Nazis and their victims. When the depositors survivors and their decedents demanded their money. The crooked Swiss government stalled for over 50 years by crooked legislation giving it back saying their was so very little of it. Only when the Americans got involved started banning the Swiss politicians and their company's doing business in the U.S. miraculously the money ,gold started appearing. Slowly returning billions to the twice victims of Swiss crooked government and banks that is how the Swiss economic crooked miracle was financed on victims backs.

Please give me the name of one known kalb?Criminals and terrorists not included! (MikeC, 25 January 2013 20:17)

We have Mother Teresa, and nobody in Hague Jails.

Oh my God! You have really lost it. Are you comparing Kosovo to Switzerland? Dude, they are the compleate oposite. Switzerland makes watches, chocolate etc while Kosovo is barbaric, backwards and poor. Switzerland has Federer and other prominent people while Kosovo has........hmm.....do you have any one known besides........help me out here. Please give me the name of one known kalb? Criminals and terrorists not included!
(MikeC, 25 January 2013 20:17)

Well you compare Serbia with the US. How is this different? Serbia makes mass graves, war criminals and state terrorist thugs. The US makes spaceships.

Wilhelm repeated that "Pristina has the European Union as its trump card" - while for Serbia, this "trump card" is the UN, according to the diplomat.

One more time for the serb camp...

Wilhelm repeated that "Pristina has the European Union as its trump card" - while for Serbia, this "trump card" is the UN, according to the diplomat.


Tung,

I love how the German ambassador used his diplomatic surgical knife on Dacic (who by the way looks cute in this outfit).
Basically, the German ambassador didnt change anything from his original statement. The core of his message in the original statement was that "UN seat for Kosovo should be a subject of discussion between the two groups in Brussels". Today he is saying (according to tanjug) that his statements were exagerated, but then again proceeds to say exactly what he originally said, and that is that the two sides should discuss this topic in Brussels as this is an important issue for Kosovo. This might sound less bitter to the general Serbian public, but to me if anything it is actually more harsh than the original statement, because here you have the German ambassador telling Dacic what is important to Kosovo and therefore this must be discussed. It almost comes across as if the German ambassador is protecting the interests of Kosovo.

Take it how you want it, but inevetibly there WILL be a recognition of independence by Serbia whether it likes it or not.

"At the time, the UN seat is the only thing that Kosovo cannot secure without Serbia. Unfortunately, everything else it can," he added.

Kosovo's UN seat does not depend on Serbia but on Russia and China. They can act more serbs than the serbs themselves if they want, but for as long as it is Serbia that begs them for their support,Serbia is the one held responsible for blocking Kosovo's UN membership.As a consequence Serbia will be punished by being kept out of EU. And that is where your UN upper hand ends. Kosovo on the other end can continue the slow process of getting more recognitions until it gets the same UN status as Vatican and Palestine. Once again, if Serbs cannot stand each other to the point that they decide to split in to Serbia and Montenegro then is just logical that Albanians in Kosovo do the same and split from Serbia. Somehow serbs have this idea that they have the right to rule over Albanians and that they can gain by being in an eternal conflict with us.You have been proven wrong.

"We have Mother Teresa, and nobody in Hague Jails."

gjon fusha

As said k-albanians, not albanians. Besides, Mother Theresa was so proud to be albanian that she decided to help people in India instead of people in Albania. And, she wanted to be put in her final restinplace in India, not Albania. That's what a patriot she was.

You have no one in the Hague because Kosovo is a huge prison so they might as well be there.

The reason why dacic brought this up is because he knows Serbia talking about a Kosovo UN seat means independence and that is what dacic supports for eu membership. He can't pretend like he didn't know talking about a Kosovo UN seat didn't mean independence. He's meeting with thaci every month and collection customs and abolished Kosovo ministry and says Serbia constitution is deal letter on Kosovo!

Ops, it started!! He's finally talking about it.......

Pristina is old Slavic land.
(Sergei, 25 January 2013 21:04)

Prishtina as Shkupi was founded by Justinian the Constantin's nephew born in northern Illiyria ruler of Berat Central Illyria where he become a christian.

Lond Long time, centuries, before ANY Slvaic tribe ever appeared in south-east europe.

stop making full out of yourself as your southern FYROM-ians brothers.

"Priština has the European Union as its trump card"
Wow this is great news.we all know.
I hope the EU have made the right choice.

Fusha, Mother Teresa was of Albanian parents, but was really a Macedonian at heart, where she grew up and lived. In reality, because of her work, India has more claim to her han anyone. Please stop the claim towards her, she was not a Muslim, and would be very upset to see who is running Kosovo today. You must agree.

(Ardi Asllani, 25 January 2013 17:41)
God you people grasp at straws at some of the most ridicules things. The German can yap all he likes but if his statement was correct then why the EU doesn’t take this matter to the UN – I’ll tell you why the EU does not because there are members that have not recognized Kosovo and there the EU body can do nothing. That does not say that individual countries cannot take issues up but on their own.
Before you Albanians piss in your pants with joy, yes it can be discussed as they can discuss climate change or Zoroastrianism or even Buddhism – nothing is off the table, but the answer to a UN seat is NO and NO to recognition from Belgrade.
If the above mysterious diplomat’s statement was correct this would have been over in 2002.
Its funny how they discuss things during another factory opening up in Serbia, but wiant a minute where is Kosova or Croatia???? Why don’t they open up industry there??????

Adrian, if Kosovo was independent, it would not foreign troops, and foreign administrators on its soil.
(Winston, 25 January 2013 20:30)

Yes, and Kosovo is very happy about that because those foreign troops and foreign administrators are not Serbian - that's the whole point; Kosovo is independent from Serbia. If you're saying that Kosovo is not independent from, say, US, that's great - Kosovo is fine with not being independent from US.

Any other concern about the happiness in Kosovo (these days it appears that Serbs are more concerned about Kosovo's happiness than Kosovo's residents) ?

I just gave an answer to MikeCs question. Not that I was expecting that MikeC or Peggy to change their attitude against Albanians, but just to clarify that we Albanians have a lot to be proud of, and the fact that Mother Teresa is Albanian is one. To tell the truth, having nobody in Hague Jails is not anything to be proud of, because, the rest of world have nobody either, but you Serbians has to be ashamed of that.
(gjon fusha, 26 January 2013 16:06)

Of course... you're missing the point. Serbs celebrate the opposite of what others celebrate. Serbs like to celebrate defeats (like the famous 1389 one).

"To tell the truth, having nobody in Hague Jails is not anything to be proud of, because, the rest of world have nobody either, but you Serbians has to be ashamed of that"

gjon fusha

If I knew for a fact that those serbs in the Hague were there because they did something wrong then I would say they deserve to be there. However, the entire world knows that the Hague is a political cangaroo court. Even you know that. The Hague is no measurement to who the bad guy of the balkans is. The number of victims is proof to who the biggest victim is. You need to truly ask yourself why only serbs are locked up even thought so many albs, croats and muslims commited crimes.

The US makes spaceships.
(j, 25 January 2013 22:22)
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Beam me up Scotty!

We have Mother Teresa, and nobody in Hague Jails.
(gjon fusha, 25 January 2013 21:14)
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Mother Teresa came from Macedonia not Kosovo and yes nobody in Hague but many that should be.
In any case she is Albanian but not everyone thinks of her as heavenly.

Make sure you watch all three parts of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ0i3nCx60

Whether one agrees with the opinion or impression given, the facts are coming from sources and are not negotiable.
The facts are that she did this or that or dealt with so and so and that's is not up for discussion.

"Serbia is the one held responsible for blocking Kosovo's UN membership.As a consequence Serbia will be punished by being kept out of EU. And that is where your UN upper hand ends."
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UN upper hand doesn't end anywhere because it can only end if UN ends.
Keeping Serbia out of EU is a blessing. English want to get out of EU and that doesn't tell you that EU should not even exist? Irish don't want it, and many don't want it. It is rammed down everyone's throat by their corrupt governments.

From where I am sitting, being out of UN is worse than being out of EU.

Invade Pristina.
Take it, Pristina is old Slavic land.
(Sergei, 25 January 2013 21:04)

Православна браћа!

John keep dreaming about KOSOVO ,but Kosovo ,Prizren ,Gjakove ,Gjilan ,Peja,ect.its gone,you still can dream again but i told you the answer...Mike ,no one ever thought Greeks need to learn Turkish,but they are learning now and working in Turkey,so learn Albanian because you are going to need it.

Kosovo's UN seat does not depend on Serbia but on Russia and China. They can act more serbs than the serbs themselves if they want, but for as long as it is Serbia that begs them for their support,Serbia is the one held responsible for blocking Kosovo's UN membership.As a consequence Serbia will be punished by being kept out of EU. And that is where your UN upper hand ends. Kosovo on the other end can continue the slow process of getting more recognitions until it gets the same UN status as Vatican and Palestine. Once again, if Serbs cannot stand each other to the point that they decide to split in to Serbia and Montenegro then is just logical that Albanians in Kosovo do the same and split from Serbia. Somehow serbs have this idea that they have the right to rule over Albanians and that they can gain by being in an eternal conflict with us.You have been proven wrong.
(Mark, 25 January 2013 20:52)

Not trying to be offensive here, but your comment shows a lack of basic understanding of Serbian history. How can anyone hope to claim that they are UN worthy country when an organ trader is a prime minister?? But i do understand your position considering that you are a Kosovo Albanian... As soon as neoliberal political order fall flat on its face, an US with it, the dream of Great Albany (current Albany + Kosovo + part of Montenegro + part of Macedonia) will end.

UN upper hand doesn't end anywhere because it can only end if UN ends.Keeping Serbia out of EU is a blessing. English want to get out of EU and that doesn't tell you that EU should not even exist? Irish don't want it, and many don't want it. It is rammed down everyone's throat by their corrupt governments.From where I am sitting, being out of UN is worse than being out of EU. (Peggy, 26. januar 2013 01:56) The Irish are a very pro-EU nation. They rejected the Lisbon Treaty the first time round due to it's implications re Abortion. The Irish are a very Catholic people there tend to be very anti-abortion. When they had confirmation that the Lisbon Treaty wouldn't force Ireland to change their abortion laws, the happily accepted it.

well, then perhaps these Yankees should cut back on their spaceships if their humongous debts are anything to go by. [link]/
(lowe, 26 January 2013 04:06)

No need for them to cut back for now... the Chinese and other investors are happy to provide the money at record low interest rates. Unfortunately, myself and the country where I live don't have the luxury to borrow at such low rates.

From where I am sitting, being out of UN is worse than being out of EU.
(Peggy, 26 January 2013 01:56)

Fair enough... I think the same because being a UN member would give me a chance to freely enter the UN building which I like so much to see. Unfortunately me and you, being individuals, will never be able to become UN members. It's a shame that countries like Kosovo, etc... don't value the UN membership as much as me and you do - they don't understand what they are missing, above all the privilege of being in the same room with Vuk.

How come your illyrian ancestors didn't leave anything behind to prove they were there?
(MikeC, 26 January 2013 15:04)

oh so now Illirians never existed??? new Serbian history again???

Illirians have left behind a lot while the most importnat heritage is ALBANIANS and the Albanian's language.

But if you are more into stones then feel free to visit say for e.g. an entire town of Byllis which is loceated just 5-6km from the samll town of Ballshi.

Or if you don't want to travel too much go and visit Ulpiana you know where it is right?? :)

j, No nation on earth can compete with the U.S. when it comes to making graves around the world.

"Invade Pristina.
Take it, Pristina is old Slavic land"

Right. Let's redraw the map so it looks like it did 3000 years ago! It's the new (old) world order! Hurray!

"Lond Long time, centuries, before ANY Slvaic tribe ever appeared in south-east europe."

ben

Yes, you albs keep claiming this but how come this is nowhere to be found except in albanian history books? I mean this should be a known fact if it was indeet true? You claiming it to be true at this forum without any evidence makes it nothing more then a lie and wishful thinking. How come your illyrian ancestors didn't leave anything behind to prove they were there?

Mother Teresa came from Macedonia not Kosovo and yes nobody in Hague but many that should be.
(Peggy, 26 January 2013 01:51)
You have no one in the Hague because Kosovo is a huge prison so they might as well be there.
(MikeC, 26 January 2013 09:58)

I just gave an answer to MikeCs question. Not that I was expecting that MikeC or Peggy to change their attitude against Albanians, but just to clarify that we Albanians have a lot to be proud of, and the fact that Mother Teresa is Albanian is one. To tell the truth, having nobody in Hague Jails is not anything to be proud of, because, the rest of world have nobody either, but you Serbians has to be ashamed of that.

The Hague is no measurement to who the bad guy of the balkans is. You need to truly ask yourself why only serbs are locked up even thought so many albs, croats and muslims commited crimes.
(MikeC, 26 January 2013 17:31)

I know the answer to that question as rest of other people do. You in the other hand, do not know, do not like to know, can not believe it, would not like to believe it, or just like to deny it, whatever case is, that is what you doing.

"Well you compare Serbia with the US. How is this different? Serbia makes mass graves, war criminals and state terrorist thugs. The US makes spaceships.
(j, 25 January 2013 22:22)"

well, then perhaps these Yankees should cut back on their spaceships if their humongous debts are anything to go by. http://www.federalbudget.com/

Unless they are planning to flee to Mars to escape their creditors ......

"Or if you don't want to travel too much go and visit Ulpiana you know where it is right?? :)"

ben

Your comment didn't convince me of anything. You are asking me to visit certain places to see proof of the albanian/illyrian connection. I thought a link to a webbpage would do? No people in the world that I know of changed the name of their people through history like illyrians would change theirs.

"No need for them to cut back for now... the Chinese and other investors are happy to provide the money at record low interest rates. Unfortunately, myself and the country where I live don't have the luxury to borrow at such low rates.
(icj1, 26 January 2013 17:15)"

well, I don't have the exact current figures, but if holding some less than 10% of Yankee debt makes the Chinese sugar daddies in the Yankees' eyes, then no wonder they are in such a financial cesspool today!

And frankly, my dear, I don't a da*n about your borrowing habits or that of your country of domicile.

Do you understand the difference between celebration and commemoration?
Do you understand that you can celebrate bravery and sacrifice even if you lose?
Are these things so foreign to Albanians and not to the rest of the world?
Australians celebrate Anzac day every year ever though they lost. Did you know that?
(Peggy, 26 January 2013 23:41)

Yeah, I think glorifying a loss as the main thing for a country is a bit foreign to me and most of the rest of the world. But you are certainly free to continue with the loss...

well, I don't have the exact current figures, but if holding some less than 10% of Yankee debt makes the Chinese sugar daddies in the Yankees' eyes, then no wonder they are in such a financial cesspool today!
(lowe, 27 January 2013 05:13)

I'm sorry for the Chinese being in a financial cesspool, but I'm sure that in a few years they'll be able to reach the living standards of Serbia and, in a few decades, those of the developed countries.
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And frankly, my dear, I don't a da*n about your borrowing habits or that of your country of domicile.
(lowe, 27 January 2013 05:13)

That's exactly what I meant that you don't a da*n about my borrowing habits because as I said I'm not borrowing as much as I'd have wanted to so I'm not a good example to follow.

and THEN having to pay most of the interest on this humongous debt out of their own pockets via taxation (you honestly didn’t thought the borrowing was free did you?)
(lowe, 28 January 2013 04:37)

Of course borrowing it is not free. And then what ?! Should borrowing and benefits therefrom stop, especially now that the interest rates are at record low? But I do understand where you're coming from - if I were to hate somebody I'd obviously give them a bad advice.
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Yes, you announced that you are not borrowing as much as you’d have wanted to. And as I told you earlier, and am repeating myself now -- I really couldn’t care less.
(lowe, 28 January 2013 04:37)

I’m happy that we are agreeing that you should not follow my example because as I said it is not a good one to follow.

Illirians have left behind a lot while the most importnat heritage is ALBANIANS and the Albanian's language.
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Can you prove the connection between you and them?
How do you connect it?

Of course... you're missing the point. Serbs celebrate the opposite of what others celebrate. Serbs like to celebrate defeats (like the famous 1389 one).
(icj1, 26 January 2013 17:30)
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Do you understand the difference between celebration and commemoration?
Do you understand that you can celebrate bravery and sacrifice even if you lose?
Are these things so foreign to Albanians and not to the rest of the world?
Australians celebrate Anzac day every year ever though they lost. Did you know that?

j, No nation on earth can compete with the U.S. when it comes to making graves around the world.
(Robert1899, 26 January 2013 01:54)

SERBIA has done a pretty good job on that.

Yeah, I think glorifying a loss as the main thing for a country is a bit foreign to me and most of the rest of the world. But you are certainly free to continue with the loss...
(icj1, 27 January 2013 16:47)
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What the He!l is wrong with you?
Did you not understnd my post or are you so hell bent on being a thorn in anyone's side?

I just said that Australia celebrates Anzac day every year and that was a huge loss for Australia and NZ.

The rest of the world does celebrate bravery and sacrifice of their soldiers whether they won or lost. It seems to be only you Albanians who forget your fallen ones if they don't win.

“I'm sorry for the Chinese being in a financial cesspool, but I'm sure that in a few years they'll be able to reach the living standards of Serbia and, in a few decades, those of the developed countries.”

Well, from all my posts so far, it should be pretty obvious that I was referring to the Yankee financial cesspool. In case you are still conveniently in doubt, let me make it clear now – it’s the Yankees’ $16.4 trillion financial cesspool.

And oh, the major owners of Yankee government debt are the Yankee people themselves – poor things – having such a spendthrift government building spaceships (I’m taking j’s word for it of course), giving foreign “aid” to the likes of “Kosova”, waging wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and where else instead of spending all these money only on the electorate that elected them, etc, and THEN having to pay most of the interest on this humongous debt out of their own pockets via taxation (you honestly didn’t thought the borrowing was free did you?)

“That's exactly what I meant that you don't a da*n about my borrowing habits because as I said I'm not borrowing as much as I'd have wanted to so I'm not a good example to follow.
(icj1, 27 January 2013 16:57)”

Yes, you announced that you are not borrowing as much as you’d have wanted to. And as I told you earlier, and am repeating myself now -- I really couldn’t care less.

“Of course borrowing it is not free. And then what ?! Should borrowing and benefits there from stop, especially now that the interest rates are at record low? But I do understand where you're coming from - if I were to hate somebody I'd obviously give them a bad advice.”

And then what, you ask? Why ask me, I’m not the one saddled with all those interest payments. Ask those in the Yankee electorate, but do forgive them should they explode with expletives, won't you? Because however low the rates, they should still amount to a humongous amount given the size of the humongous debt incurred by their government.

“I’m happy that we are agreeing that you should not follow my example because as I said it is not a good one to follow.
(icj1, 29 January 2013 04:42) “

Who said anything about agreeing with you? I only stated that I couldn’t care less about your unsought info regarding whether you are a good example to follow or not. Indifference is hardly the same as agreement as I’m sure a check with your fave Merriam Webster would confirm.