Ignorant of European affairs! That’s a fair one, most brits’ on reading the paper start from the back (Sport) than progress to Xword, cartoons and T£ts.
My interest in Balkan affairs commenced in 1999. Three missions and one wife!.
Pt two
Finally, and it’s a long shot, Neither Ian (UK) or myself appear to be descended from that thug William and his band of mercenaries. My origins are Scotland/Ireland and I believe Ian (UK) is similar (Though his family never managed to escape from Yorkshire whereas mine sought sanctuary in Lancashire)
Pt One
Hit a nerve? Sorry Leonidas, missed by a mile (sorry 1.61km) I guess you found my response a little subdued last night and felt rather smug. Should not have typed a quick response.
www.barnardos.org.uk
Check out the link regards Poverty, a respectable organisation.
Figures quoted (financial) are a generalisation, and probably taken from the Governments own website.
How does the UK compare? A lot better than sensational headlines! Unemployment? A curse in any society! Latest figures show 2.49m claimants, a little less than 8% of the workforce. Not bad considering the economic state. Incidentally, within 10 miles of my postcode are 521 vacancies, just checked.
Child allowance, available to all (until recently) is a benefit. 12m? Direct me to your reference.
State pension, £107pw basic. There is also additional state pension depending on the number of years worked. Incidentally, these benefits are all paid from government coffers, whether from taxation or borrowing.
Education. Have my misgivings regard the system, but generally, free until the end of high school/college (19/21yoa)
University, that’s a different matter and would need its own thread!
Leonidas, whether you like it or not UK does have weight within the EU and can keep check on German/French antics. Your pitiful retort only echos your pain at the state of your nation and its influence!
Did I hit a nerve with you by pointing out the obvious which is the UK resembles the characteristics of an emerging country? As to your attempt in trying to raise the status of UK within the EU by saying " our presence and our weight does keep the Germans and French in check at times" is laughable.It is the Germans and to a lesser extent the French who are the chiefs within the EU,the rest are Indians.
My identity is well known to posters on this site and things are really bad in my own country,as I have said many times in the past.Now,taking into consideration that most of your countrymen are totally ignorant on European affairs-let alone Balkans-I wonder whether the likes of you or Ian are real descendants of William the Conqueror.
You should be proud of such a country.
(Leonidas, 25 January 2013 14:52)
In a perverse way I am proud of my country. It may not be perfect, which country is?
That does not hide the fact that folk beyond these shores are envious of the UK.
Bigger, badder and uglier guys have tried to knock the UK, disgruntled commenter’s such as yourself are two a penny and less threatening.
I cannot recall you ever divulging your origins. Your name would indicate somewhere in SEE. How are things in your country? Proud of your nation also?
Being able to speak English, read English and converse in English generally are all laudable skills, especially if English is not your first language.
Being familiar with the English language is another matter altogther, especially when it is delivered by a ‘Brit’.
Ian was taking the p%$$, and to be fair, coming from a Yorkshire lad, it was not as brutal as it could have been!
Read and digest before you criticise, though if I am honest, even some nationals who have English as their first language struggle with the ‘Brit’ sense of humour. In this case you could be forgiven .
(Wee Kelpie, 25 January 2013 14:10)
What makes you think it wasn't more 'brutal'?
B92 obviously censored part of it due to to it being deemed 'too inapropiate' ;)
Not everyone here does understand the humour. I have friends on Anglesey who have the sense of humour of a boiled egg, but to be fair to them English isn't their first language.
And yes I "was taking the p%$$" but I was also genuinely telling the truth at the same time!
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
(trizo, 25 January 2013 13:35)
Being able to speak English, read English and converse in English generally are all laudable skills, especially if English is not your first language.
Being familiar with the English language is another matter altogther, especially when it is delivered by a ‘Brit’.
Ian was taking the p%$$, and to be fair, coming from a Yorkshire lad, it was not as brutal as it could have been!
Read and digest before you criticise, though if I am honest, even some nationals who have English as their first language struggle with the ‘Brit’ sense of humour. In this case you could be forgiven .
Jealous of a country in which 2 million children live below the poverty line or it cannot afford to pay a living pension to millions of pensioners (currently just above £100/week),unemployed and another 12 or more millions on state benefits?Jealous of a country that cannot afford a state education system and forces millions of students to borrow and pay £9000/year on tuition fees and by the time they graduate they carry a huge debt burden on their shoulders?
That is most definitely true for serbia too. lets see, the average wage in Serbia is 350EURO's p.m, do you think Ari Gold, sj, trizo, winston, Peggy would return to Serbia for those wages and who can blame them when they don't?
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
Anyone who has to talk themselves up online and how much money they can blow over a weekend is obviously a clear loser.
Btw if you're so proud of using the pound and how much money you make, why do you have to extend an overdraft after only 500 pounds? Maybe you're not as well of as you think, or maybe you're part of the debt problem.
(trizo, 25 January 2013 13:35)
First off you've never witnessed be speak a single word.
Secondly, like I say, people like you are jealous.
Thirdly I went on Holiday at the end of Novemeber, having paid for a hotel, flights, spending money, going out at home throughout the month, paying bills, rent, tax, satellite tv, internet, university tuition fees, food, petrol, car inusurance and Xmas presents for people. Some extra things there on top of my normal monthly budget.
The only debt I have is a student loan and that is the best loan a man can have due to it's extremely low interest rate.
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
Anyone who has to talk themselves up online and how much money they can blow over a weekend is obviously a clear loser.
Btw if you're so proud of using the pound and how much money you make, why do you have to extend an overdraft after only 500 pounds? Maybe you're not as well of as you think, or maybe you're part of the debt problem.
"We could do with some of these Kosova-Albanians returning from places like Germany, Switzerland and the US with their Western Skills and Education as they'd be benificial for Kosova. "
(Haitian, 25 January 2013 10:02)
But these people don't want to return to a rotten place without any perspective for the future. The only thing they could do there is increasing the mass of unemployed. Furthermore, without the money these 100,000s of people who work abroad (assuming most of them work, not including the criminals and drug lords) send home to their relatives, it wouldn't take long until the people in Kosovo starve, like in Africa.
You forgott to mention your own kind, the albanians, who are not in the Eu but has allready invaded The Uk and other Eu states with uneducated beggars and drug lords. Did you know that over 1 million k-albs live outside Kosovo? If they never left Kosovo in the first place Europe could easily close 70 % of their prisons.
(MikeC, 24 January 2013 21:26)
1 Million Kosova-Albanians live outside of Kosova. True. Most were ethnically cleased (or their parents were) in the 1990s by Milosevic and friends. So we know who to blame for them leaving Kosova!
If these Kosova-Albanians were to return to Kosova, we'd have a population of 2.7 Million or even more.
We could do with some of these Kosova-Albanians returning from places like Germany, Switzerland and the US with their Western Skills and Education as they'd be benificial for Kosova. A lot of people in Kosova had a poor deprived Education which stems from the Yugoslavia days, where we were forced to learn in a foreign language.
I just love it when the opportunity arrives to ‘bash the brits’, the detractors pour out of the woodwork and claim to be from places like Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Italy, Albania, Kosovo US!
Not exactly dependable foundations to criticise from are they? Still, jealousy does bring out the worst, and The UNITED KINGDOM and her OLD EMPIRE certainly excites a few still!
Get over it people. Empires do what empires do, rightly or wrongly, empires grow and wealth is made.
Nobody ever seems to harp on about the Spanish, Dutch, French, German, Portuguese or, of late the US, empires as much as the British. Maybe it was because we were so successful at it
The year is 2013, times have changed and people/countries move on. The empire died almost 70 years ago. The Commonwealth (or, The Club), an organisation that anyone can request to join, is seen by some as its successor, wrong. More of a Global EU without the bureaucratic nonsense and legislation.
David Cameron has voiced the concerns of a number of EU members. The fact that he is castigated for it proves that he has hit a nerve.
UK leave the EU? I very much doubt it; the exit costs would be so prohibitive. This ‘Club’ is not really as democratic as some would believe. At the same time, our presence and our weight does keep the Germans and French in check at times.
Bash the brits? Bring it on guys! Its water of a ducks back to us. Been there, done that got the t-shirt
Nobody may like us, but we don’t particularly care!
@ Andy UK, as a general rule we have elections every 5 years not every 4. Early elections are not common place. Politicians love every second they're in power.
DR Frankeinstein you are SERB .I can read your minde ,but is best if you worry about your brother Russia and Iran where you come from ,do not worry about whats happen in EU
"This is not about turning our backs on Europe - quite the opposite". Cameron was quoted as saying by the AFP.
B92
It was never really about leaving the EU.It was partially to curtail the rise of UKIP and to divert the electorate's attention away from the terrible financial woes afflicting the UK on an illusory EU exit.
On the economic front despite the brutal budget cuts national debt has been increasing-more than £100 billion in the last year alone,bankruptcies are up,and the working class are about to start dying off and they are one step closer to Victorian Britain (only without the do-gooders amongst the upper classes or superpower status or empire)
This was, after all, the whole point of the enterprise old boy!
What's more, they are not even rioting.
You are quite civilized in comparison until you have a few drinks and the upper-stiff-lip drops and starts flapping in the fog, then, you are no different than the rabid Greater Albanians that y'all feed out of fear.
(Yank my dandy doodle!, 24 January 2013 20:11)
I don't know where you're from, probably somewhere poor like Eastern Europe or the US. You're probably just jealous that I can afford to go on a big night out once a week in a big city for the price of £200, which will get me pissed as a sewer rat, a packet of fags, entrance to several night clubs, a big fat kabab with chips and a taxi home.
Then we do the same again if your old historic Eastern European cities and Mediterranean holiday resorts. My latest one was Budapest in November, it was dirt cheap, but I don't understand it because I still managed to blow over £500 in 3 days so I had to ring up my bank and get them to extend my overdraft. I blame the cigar tower and the strip clubs! But it doesn't matter because I've been paid since and it hasn't had any financial consequences for as my wage paid off my short term debt and I still have plenty left over, therefore I haven't got a care in the world.
Next Stop Riga in April 2013!
You Latvians better lock up your wives and daughters because the YORKSHIRE lads are coming to town!
This ladies and gentleman is precisely why the EU is good for the UK!
You forgott to mention your own kind, the albanians, who are not in the Eu but has allready invaded The Uk and other Eu states with uneducated beggars and drug lords. Did you know that over 1 million k-albs live outside Kosovo? If they never left Kosovo in the first place Europe could easily close 70 % of their prisons.
And I too hate Royalist Traditions, but it isn't in Britain where people think it is acceptable to invade, conquer and expand your country like in Mediaeval times; where people are God fearing religious nutters like in mediaeval times; where people are still obsessed with battles which took place in mediaeval times. You will find people with this sort of Mediaeval mentality in places like the Balkans, Russia and the Middle East ect... but not in Britain. We're quite civilised in comparison.
(Ian, British Repubic, 24 January 2013 18:57)
You are quite civilized in comparison until you have a few drinks and the upper-stiff-lip drops and starts flapping in the fog, then, you are no different than the rabid Greater Albanians that y'all feed out of fear.
So the Nissan plant in the North east, The large Honda complex in Swindon, the Peugeot facility the Land Rover and Jaguar factory in Birmingham are fatamorgana's
Yes Germany and France maybe larger but their Land mass is a lot bigger.
You wait, when the UK pulls out of the EU and France and Germany find themselves stumping up all the cash, there will be a huge rethink.
That's without Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy going bankrupt.
I think there is a mis understand on what DC is proposing. Firstly he does not want to leave the EU. What he is after is talks which Sweden back and the Germans want to talk as well. This mess if you wish to call it that goes back to when Labour were in power, they promised a referendum and went back on that promise.
Secondly it is the British public right to have a democratic vote, which the political elite seem to have denied us.
The main concern is immigration i think if it was capped then the British people would not be so bothered.
Now to the poster about the Falklands, it has never been Argentinian. If any thing the original people were French.
Being democratic Scotland can have its vote no problems there. N Ireland well the majority want to be part of the UK.
Finally if the UK pulls out trade will not stop after all we import more EU goods than export.
The biggest mistake the EU made was rapid expansion it should have never let in former communist states until they were at the same economic levels as the west.
Finally Finally i am one Brit who supports Serbia on the kosovo issue.
Cant blame them really, they have Poles flood their country, now they will have Bulgarians and Romanians flooding the country. And down the road Serbs if they get in the EU will mass exit their own country for the UK. They are protecting their nation from being overrun by the East European dregs of society.
But Dave is just being an oppurtunist, euroskepticism is popular now and he has an election to win.
All you British bashers would probably queue all day for a visa to live there, and claim their benefits.
Britain is better than Europe AKA Greater Germany.
I hope they go it alone and leave all the sponging nations to beg Germany for money.
As for Scotland... they want to be independent, but they want to keep the pound... How does that work? Surely they could join the Euro.
Health service in Great Britain.... All free
Minimum wage... Higher than most.
Only thing the don't have is good weather :)
It is British legal right to be disintegrated from EU. It will not spark unrest in EU, or EU will not resort to violence because of it. But it should help pave the way to Scotland, Wales ( which has its own language) and especially Northern Ireland to raise the question of secession from the'' old hag England’’ . They need to call a referendum on secession from Great Britain or UK . Falkland Islands should become Argentine Malvinas again. We are fed up and tired of the arrogant British royalist tradition of the Middle Ages .9MEFF3
(Miki, 24 January 2013 17:40)
Scotland is having a referendum on their future.
The Welsh really do NOT want to be independent, yes they do have their own language and I can speak a bit myself.
In principle I support the idea of a United Ireland, but haven't you see how mental they reacted over a flag?
The Falkland Islands are having the chance to become Argentinian (aka Colonised) on the 10th March this year when a referendum takes place on the Islands.
And I too hate Royalist Traditions, but it isn't in Britain where people think it is acceptable to invade, conquer and expand your country like in Mediaeval times; where people are God fearing religious nutters like in mediaeval times; where people are still obsessed with battles which took place in mediaeval times. You will find people with this sort of Mediaeval mentality in places like the Balkans, Russia and the Middle East ect... but not in Britain. We're quite civilised in comparison.
It is British legal right to be disintegrated from EU. It will not spark unrest in EU, or EU will not resort to violence because of it. But it should help pave the way to Scotland, Wales ( which has its own language) and especially Northern Ireland to raise the question of secession from the'' old hag England’’ . They need to call a referendum on secession from Great Britain or UK . Falkland Islands should become Argentine Malvinas again. We are fed up and tired of the arrogant British royalist tradition of the Middle Ages .9MEFF3
Fikret, you are correct. "Dave" is primarily interested in another 4 years of power and is looking to reel in the ignorant hordes of Daily Mail and Sun reading types who think that the British empire is still alive and well and that we have the same influence as 50 years ago.
Mr. Cameron's certainly playing a risky game. He and his almost completly deindustrialized country might well end in complete isolation. I think he's overestimating the UK's current position.
It is British legal right to be disintegrated from EU. It will not spark unrest in EU, or EU will not resort to violence because of it. But it should help pave the way to Scotland, Wales ( which has its own language) and especially Northern Ireland to raise the question of secession from the'' old hag England’’ . They need to call a referendum on secession from Great Britain or UK . Falkland Islands should become Argentine Malvinas again. We are fed up and tired of the arrogant British royalist tradition of the Middle Ages .9MEFF3
And I too hate Royalist Traditions, but it isn't in Britain where people think it is acceptable to invade, conquer and expand your country like in Mediaeval times; where people are God fearing religious nutters like in mediaeval times; where people are still obsessed with battles which took place in mediaeval times. You will find people with this sort of Mediaeval mentality in places like the Balkans, Russia and the Middle East ect... but not in Britain. We're quite civilised in comparison.
(Ian, British Repubic, 24 January 2013 18:57)
You are quite civilized in comparison until you have a few drinks and the upper-stiff-lip drops and starts flapping in the fog, then, you are no different than the rabid Greater Albanians that y'all feed out of fear.
You forgott to mention your own kind, the albanians, who are not in the Eu but has allready invaded The Uk and other Eu states with uneducated beggars and drug lords. Did you know that over 1 million k-albs live outside Kosovo? If they never left Kosovo in the first place Europe could easily close 70 % of their prisons.
Mr. Cameron's certainly playing a risky game. He and his almost completly deindustrialized country might well end in complete isolation. I think he's overestimating the UK's current position.
You are quite civilized in comparison until you have a few drinks and the upper-stiff-lip drops and starts flapping in the fog, then, you are no different than the rabid Greater Albanians that y'all feed out of fear.
(Yank my dandy doodle!, 24 January 2013 20:11)
I don't know where you're from, probably somewhere poor like Eastern Europe or the US. You're probably just jealous that I can afford to go on a big night out once a week in a big city for the price of £200, which will get me pissed as a sewer rat, a packet of fags, entrance to several night clubs, a big fat kabab with chips and a taxi home.
Then we do the same again if your old historic Eastern European cities and Mediterranean holiday resorts. My latest one was Budapest in November, it was dirt cheap, but I don't understand it because I still managed to blow over £500 in 3 days so I had to ring up my bank and get them to extend my overdraft. I blame the cigar tower and the strip clubs! But it doesn't matter because I've been paid since and it hasn't had any financial consequences for as my wage paid off my short term debt and I still have plenty left over, therefore I haven't got a care in the world.
Next Stop Riga in April 2013!
You Latvians better lock up your wives and daughters because the YORKSHIRE lads are coming to town!
This ladies and gentleman is precisely why the EU is good for the UK!
It is British legal right to be disintegrated from EU. It will not spark unrest in EU, or EU will not resort to violence because of it. But it should help pave the way to Scotland, Wales ( which has its own language) and especially Northern Ireland to raise the question of secession from the'' old hag England’’ . They need to call a referendum on secession from Great Britain or UK . Falkland Islands should become Argentine Malvinas again. We are fed up and tired of the arrogant British royalist tradition of the Middle Ages .9MEFF3
(Miki, 24 January 2013 17:40)
Scotland is having a referendum on their future.
The Welsh really do NOT want to be independent, yes they do have their own language and I can speak a bit myself.
In principle I support the idea of a United Ireland, but haven't you see how mental they reacted over a flag?
The Falkland Islands are having the chance to become Argentinian (aka Colonised) on the 10th March this year when a referendum takes place on the Islands.
And I too hate Royalist Traditions, but it isn't in Britain where people think it is acceptable to invade, conquer and expand your country like in Mediaeval times; where people are God fearing religious nutters like in mediaeval times; where people are still obsessed with battles which took place in mediaeval times. You will find people with this sort of Mediaeval mentality in places like the Balkans, Russia and the Middle East ect... but not in Britain. We're quite civilised in comparison.
I think there is a mis understand on what DC is proposing. Firstly he does not want to leave the EU. What he is after is talks which Sweden back and the Germans want to talk as well. This mess if you wish to call it that goes back to when Labour were in power, they promised a referendum and went back on that promise.
Secondly it is the British public right to have a democratic vote, which the political elite seem to have denied us.
The main concern is immigration i think if it was capped then the British people would not be so bothered.
Now to the poster about the Falklands, it has never been Argentinian. If any thing the original people were French.
Being democratic Scotland can have its vote no problems there. N Ireland well the majority want to be part of the UK.
Finally if the UK pulls out trade will not stop after all we import more EU goods than export.
The biggest mistake the EU made was rapid expansion it should have never let in former communist states until they were at the same economic levels as the west.
Finally Finally i am one Brit who supports Serbia on the kosovo issue.
"This is not about turning our backs on Europe - quite the opposite". Cameron was quoted as saying by the AFP.
B92
It was never really about leaving the EU.It was partially to curtail the rise of UKIP and to divert the electorate's attention away from the terrible financial woes afflicting the UK on an illusory EU exit.
On the economic front despite the brutal budget cuts national debt has been increasing-more than £100 billion in the last year alone,bankruptcies are up,and the working class are about to start dying off and they are one step closer to Victorian Britain (only without the do-gooders amongst the upper classes or superpower status or empire)
This was, after all, the whole point of the enterprise old boy!
What's more, they are not even rioting.
Fikret, you are correct. "Dave" is primarily interested in another 4 years of power and is looking to reel in the ignorant hordes of Daily Mail and Sun reading types who think that the British empire is still alive and well and that we have the same influence as 50 years ago.
I just love it when the opportunity arrives to ‘bash the brits’, the detractors pour out of the woodwork and claim to be from places like Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Italy, Albania, Kosovo US!
Not exactly dependable foundations to criticise from are they? Still, jealousy does bring out the worst, and The UNITED KINGDOM and her OLD EMPIRE certainly excites a few still!
Get over it people. Empires do what empires do, rightly or wrongly, empires grow and wealth is made.
Nobody ever seems to harp on about the Spanish, Dutch, French, German, Portuguese or, of late the US, empires as much as the British. Maybe it was because we were so successful at it
The year is 2013, times have changed and people/countries move on. The empire died almost 70 years ago. The Commonwealth (or, The Club), an organisation that anyone can request to join, is seen by some as its successor, wrong. More of a Global EU without the bureaucratic nonsense and legislation.
David Cameron has voiced the concerns of a number of EU members. The fact that he is castigated for it proves that he has hit a nerve.
UK leave the EU? I very much doubt it; the exit costs would be so prohibitive. This ‘Club’ is not really as democratic as some would believe. At the same time, our presence and our weight does keep the Germans and French in check at times.
Bash the brits? Bring it on guys! Its water of a ducks back to us. Been there, done that got the t-shirt
Nobody may like us, but we don’t particularly care!
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
Anyone who has to talk themselves up online and how much money they can blow over a weekend is obviously a clear loser.
Btw if you're so proud of using the pound and how much money you make, why do you have to extend an overdraft after only 500 pounds? Maybe you're not as well of as you think, or maybe you're part of the debt problem.
Jealous of a country in which 2 million children live below the poverty line or it cannot afford to pay a living pension to millions of pensioners (currently just above £100/week),unemployed and another 12 or more millions on state benefits?Jealous of a country that cannot afford a state education system and forces millions of students to borrow and pay £9000/year on tuition fees and by the time they graduate they carry a huge debt burden on their shoulders?
Did I hit a nerve with you by pointing out the obvious which is the UK resembles the characteristics of an emerging country? As to your attempt in trying to raise the status of UK within the EU by saying " our presence and our weight does keep the Germans and French in check at times" is laughable.It is the Germans and to a lesser extent the French who are the chiefs within the EU,the rest are Indians.
My identity is well known to posters on this site and things are really bad in my own country,as I have said many times in the past.Now,taking into consideration that most of your countrymen are totally ignorant on European affairs-let alone Balkans-I wonder whether the likes of you or Ian are real descendants of William the Conqueror.
All you British bashers would probably queue all day for a visa to live there, and claim their benefits.
Britain is better than Europe AKA Greater Germany.
I hope they go it alone and leave all the sponging nations to beg Germany for money.
As for Scotland... they want to be independent, but they want to keep the pound... How does that work? Surely they could join the Euro.
Health service in Great Britain.... All free
Minimum wage... Higher than most.
Only thing the don't have is good weather :)
Cant blame them really, they have Poles flood their country, now they will have Bulgarians and Romanians flooding the country. And down the road Serbs if they get in the EU will mass exit their own country for the UK. They are protecting their nation from being overrun by the East European dregs of society.
But Dave is just being an oppurtunist, euroskepticism is popular now and he has an election to win.
So the Nissan plant in the North east, The large Honda complex in Swindon, the Peugeot facility the Land Rover and Jaguar factory in Birmingham are fatamorgana's
Yes Germany and France maybe larger but their Land mass is a lot bigger.
You wait, when the UK pulls out of the EU and France and Germany find themselves stumping up all the cash, there will be a huge rethink.
That's without Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy going bankrupt.
DR Frankeinstein you are SERB .I can read your minde ,but is best if you worry about your brother Russia and Iran where you come from ,do not worry about whats happen in EU
That is most definitely true for serbia too. lets see, the average wage in Serbia is 350EURO's p.m, do you think Ari Gold, sj, trizo, winston, Peggy would return to Serbia for those wages and who can blame them when they don't?
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
Anyone who has to talk themselves up online and how much money they can blow over a weekend is obviously a clear loser.
Btw if you're so proud of using the pound and how much money you make, why do you have to extend an overdraft after only 500 pounds? Maybe you're not as well of as you think, or maybe you're part of the debt problem.
(trizo, 25 January 2013 13:35)
First off you've never witnessed be speak a single word.
Secondly, like I say, people like you are jealous.
Thirdly I went on Holiday at the end of Novemeber, having paid for a hotel, flights, spending money, going out at home throughout the month, paying bills, rent, tax, satellite tv, internet, university tuition fees, food, petrol, car inusurance and Xmas presents for people. Some extra things there on top of my normal monthly budget.
The only debt I have is a student loan and that is the best loan a man can have due to it's extremely low interest rate.
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
(trizo, 25 January 2013 13:35)
Being able to speak English, read English and converse in English generally are all laudable skills, especially if English is not your first language.
Being familiar with the English language is another matter altogther, especially when it is delivered by a ‘Brit’.
Ian was taking the p%$$, and to be fair, coming from a Yorkshire lad, it was not as brutal as it could have been!
Read and digest before you criticise, though if I am honest, even some nationals who have English as their first language struggle with the ‘Brit’ sense of humour. In this case you could be forgiven .
@ Andy UK, as a general rule we have elections every 5 years not every 4. Early elections are not common place. Politicians love every second they're in power.
You forgott to mention your own kind, the albanians, who are not in the Eu but has allready invaded The Uk and other Eu states with uneducated beggars and drug lords. Did you know that over 1 million k-albs live outside Kosovo? If they never left Kosovo in the first place Europe could easily close 70 % of their prisons.
(MikeC, 24 January 2013 21:26)
1 Million Kosova-Albanians live outside of Kosova. True. Most were ethnically cleased (or their parents were) in the 1990s by Milosevic and friends. So we know who to blame for them leaving Kosova!
If these Kosova-Albanians were to return to Kosova, we'd have a population of 2.7 Million or even more.
We could do with some of these Kosova-Albanians returning from places like Germany, Switzerland and the US with their Western Skills and Education as they'd be benificial for Kosova. A lot of people in Kosova had a poor deprived Education which stems from the Yugoslavia days, where we were forced to learn in a foreign language.
"We could do with some of these Kosova-Albanians returning from places like Germany, Switzerland and the US with their Western Skills and Education as they'd be benificial for Kosova. "
(Haitian, 25 January 2013 10:02)
But these people don't want to return to a rotten place without any perspective for the future. The only thing they could do there is increasing the mass of unemployed. Furthermore, without the money these 100,000s of people who work abroad (assuming most of them work, not including the criminals and drug lords) send home to their relatives, it wouldn't take long until the people in Kosovo starve, like in Africa.
Being able to speak English, read English and converse in English generally are all laudable skills, especially if English is not your first language.
Being familiar with the English language is another matter altogther, especially when it is delivered by a ‘Brit’.
Ian was taking the p%$$, and to be fair, coming from a Yorkshire lad, it was not as brutal as it could have been!
Read and digest before you criticise, though if I am honest, even some nationals who have English as their first language struggle with the ‘Brit’ sense of humour. In this case you could be forgiven .
(Wee Kelpie, 25 January 2013 14:10)
What makes you think it wasn't more 'brutal'?
B92 obviously censored part of it due to to it being deemed 'too inapropiate' ;)
Not everyone here does understand the humour. I have friends on Anglesey who have the sense of humour of a boiled egg, but to be fair to them English isn't their first language.
And yes I "was taking the p%$$" but I was also genuinely telling the truth at the same time!
You should be proud of such a country.
(Leonidas, 25 January 2013 14:52)
In a perverse way I am proud of my country. It may not be perfect, which country is?
That does not hide the fact that folk beyond these shores are envious of the UK.
Bigger, badder and uglier guys have tried to knock the UK, disgruntled commenter’s such as yourself are two a penny and less threatening.
I cannot recall you ever divulging your origins. Your name would indicate somewhere in SEE. How are things in your country? Proud of your nation also?
Pt One
Hit a nerve? Sorry Leonidas, missed by a mile (sorry 1.61km) I guess you found my response a little subdued last night and felt rather smug. Should not have typed a quick response.
www.barnardos.org.uk
Check out the link regards Poverty, a respectable organisation.
Figures quoted (financial) are a generalisation, and probably taken from the Governments own website.
How does the UK compare? A lot better than sensational headlines! Unemployment? A curse in any society! Latest figures show 2.49m claimants, a little less than 8% of the workforce. Not bad considering the economic state. Incidentally, within 10 miles of my postcode are 521 vacancies, just checked.
Child allowance, available to all (until recently) is a benefit. 12m? Direct me to your reference.
State pension, £107pw basic. There is also additional state pension depending on the number of years worked. Incidentally, these benefits are all paid from government coffers, whether from taxation or borrowing.
Education. Have my misgivings regard the system, but generally, free until the end of high school/college (19/21yoa)
University, that’s a different matter and would need its own thread!
Leonidas, whether you like it or not UK does have weight within the EU and can keep check on German/French antics. Your pitiful retort only echos your pain at the state of your nation and its influence!
Ignorant of European affairs! That’s a fair one, most brits’ on reading the paper start from the back (Sport) than progress to Xword, cartoons and T£ts.
My interest in Balkan affairs commenced in 1999. Three missions and one wife!.
Pt two
Finally, and it’s a long shot, Neither Ian (UK) or myself appear to be descended from that thug William and his band of mercenaries. My origins are Scotland/Ireland and I believe Ian (UK) is similar (Though his family never managed to escape from Yorkshire whereas mine sought sanctuary in Lancashire)
You are quite civilized in comparison until you have a few drinks and the upper-stiff-lip drops and starts flapping in the fog, then, you are no different than the rabid Greater Albanians that y'all feed out of fear.
(Yank my dandy doodle!, 24 January 2013 20:11)
I don't know where you're from, probably somewhere poor like Eastern Europe or the US. You're probably just jealous that I can afford to go on a big night out once a week in a big city for the price of £200, which will get me pissed as a sewer rat, a packet of fags, entrance to several night clubs, a big fat kabab with chips and a taxi home.
Then we do the same again if your old historic Eastern European cities and Mediterranean holiday resorts. My latest one was Budapest in November, it was dirt cheap, but I don't understand it because I still managed to blow over £500 in 3 days so I had to ring up my bank and get them to extend my overdraft. I blame the cigar tower and the strip clubs! But it doesn't matter because I've been paid since and it hasn't had any financial consequences for as my wage paid off my short term debt and I still have plenty left over, therefore I haven't got a care in the world.
Next Stop Riga in April 2013!
You Latvians better lock up your wives and daughters because the YORKSHIRE lads are coming to town!
This ladies and gentleman is precisely why the EU is good for the UK!
Cant blame them really, they have Poles flood their country, now they will have Bulgarians and Romanians flooding the country. And down the road Serbs if they get in the EU will mass exit their own country for the UK. They are protecting their nation from being overrun by the East European dregs of society.
But Dave is just being an oppurtunist, euroskepticism is popular now and he has an election to win.
Mr. Cameron's certainly playing a risky game. He and his almost completly deindustrialized country might well end in complete isolation. I think he's overestimating the UK's current position.
DR Frankeinstein you are SERB .I can read your minde ,but is best if you worry about your brother Russia and Iran where you come from ,do not worry about whats happen in EU
It is British legal right to be disintegrated from EU. It will not spark unrest in EU, or EU will not resort to violence because of it. But it should help pave the way to Scotland, Wales ( which has its own language) and especially Northern Ireland to raise the question of secession from the'' old hag England’’ . They need to call a referendum on secession from Great Britain or UK . Falkland Islands should become Argentine Malvinas again. We are fed up and tired of the arrogant British royalist tradition of the Middle Ages .9MEFF3
I think there is a mis understand on what DC is proposing. Firstly he does not want to leave the EU. What he is after is talks which Sweden back and the Germans want to talk as well. This mess if you wish to call it that goes back to when Labour were in power, they promised a referendum and went back on that promise.
Secondly it is the British public right to have a democratic vote, which the political elite seem to have denied us.
The main concern is immigration i think if it was capped then the British people would not be so bothered.
Now to the poster about the Falklands, it has never been Argentinian. If any thing the original people were French.
Being democratic Scotland can have its vote no problems there. N Ireland well the majority want to be part of the UK.
Finally if the UK pulls out trade will not stop after all we import more EU goods than export.
The biggest mistake the EU made was rapid expansion it should have never let in former communist states until they were at the same economic levels as the west.
Finally Finally i am one Brit who supports Serbia on the kosovo issue.
So the Nissan plant in the North east, The large Honda complex in Swindon, the Peugeot facility the Land Rover and Jaguar factory in Birmingham are fatamorgana's
Yes Germany and France maybe larger but their Land mass is a lot bigger.
You wait, when the UK pulls out of the EU and France and Germany find themselves stumping up all the cash, there will be a huge rethink.
That's without Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy going bankrupt.
You forgott to mention your own kind, the albanians, who are not in the Eu but has allready invaded The Uk and other Eu states with uneducated beggars and drug lords. Did you know that over 1 million k-albs live outside Kosovo? If they never left Kosovo in the first place Europe could easily close 70 % of their prisons.
(MikeC, 24 January 2013 21:26)
1 Million Kosova-Albanians live outside of Kosova. True. Most were ethnically cleased (or their parents were) in the 1990s by Milosevic and friends. So we know who to blame for them leaving Kosova!
If these Kosova-Albanians were to return to Kosova, we'd have a population of 2.7 Million or even more.
We could do with some of these Kosova-Albanians returning from places like Germany, Switzerland and the US with their Western Skills and Education as they'd be benificial for Kosova. A lot of people in Kosova had a poor deprived Education which stems from the Yugoslavia days, where we were forced to learn in a foreign language.
Fikret, you are correct. "Dave" is primarily interested in another 4 years of power and is looking to reel in the ignorant hordes of Daily Mail and Sun reading types who think that the British empire is still alive and well and that we have the same influence as 50 years ago.
It is British legal right to be disintegrated from EU. It will not spark unrest in EU, or EU will not resort to violence because of it. But it should help pave the way to Scotland, Wales ( which has its own language) and especially Northern Ireland to raise the question of secession from the'' old hag England’’ . They need to call a referendum on secession from Great Britain or UK . Falkland Islands should become Argentine Malvinas again. We are fed up and tired of the arrogant British royalist tradition of the Middle Ages .9MEFF3
(Miki, 24 January 2013 17:40)
Scotland is having a referendum on their future.
The Welsh really do NOT want to be independent, yes they do have their own language and I can speak a bit myself.
In principle I support the idea of a United Ireland, but haven't you see how mental they reacted over a flag?
The Falkland Islands are having the chance to become Argentinian (aka Colonised) on the 10th March this year when a referendum takes place on the Islands.
And I too hate Royalist Traditions, but it isn't in Britain where people think it is acceptable to invade, conquer and expand your country like in Mediaeval times; where people are God fearing religious nutters like in mediaeval times; where people are still obsessed with battles which took place in mediaeval times. You will find people with this sort of Mediaeval mentality in places like the Balkans, Russia and the Middle East ect... but not in Britain. We're quite civilised in comparison.
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
(trizo, 25 January 2013 13:35)
Being able to speak English, read English and converse in English generally are all laudable skills, especially if English is not your first language.
Being familiar with the English language is another matter altogther, especially when it is delivered by a ‘Brit’.
Ian was taking the p%$$, and to be fair, coming from a Yorkshire lad, it was not as brutal as it could have been!
Read and digest before you criticise, though if I am honest, even some nationals who have English as their first language struggle with the ‘Brit’ sense of humour. In this case you could be forgiven .
Being able to speak English, read English and converse in English generally are all laudable skills, especially if English is not your first language.
Being familiar with the English language is another matter altogther, especially when it is delivered by a ‘Brit’.
Ian was taking the p%$$, and to be fair, coming from a Yorkshire lad, it was not as brutal as it could have been!
Read and digest before you criticise, though if I am honest, even some nationals who have English as their first language struggle with the ‘Brit’ sense of humour. In this case you could be forgiven .
(Wee Kelpie, 25 January 2013 14:10)
What makes you think it wasn't more 'brutal'?
B92 obviously censored part of it due to to it being deemed 'too inapropiate' ;)
Not everyone here does understand the humour. I have friends on Anglesey who have the sense of humour of a boiled egg, but to be fair to them English isn't their first language.
And yes I "was taking the p%$$" but I was also genuinely telling the truth at the same time!
All you British bashers would probably queue all day for a visa to live there, and claim their benefits.
Britain is better than Europe AKA Greater Germany.
I hope they go it alone and leave all the sponging nations to beg Germany for money.
As for Scotland... they want to be independent, but they want to keep the pound... How does that work? Surely they could join the Euro.
Health service in Great Britain.... All free
Minimum wage... Higher than most.
Only thing the don't have is good weather :)
And I too hate Royalist Traditions, but it isn't in Britain where people think it is acceptable to invade, conquer and expand your country like in Mediaeval times; where people are God fearing religious nutters like in mediaeval times; where people are still obsessed with battles which took place in mediaeval times. You will find people with this sort of Mediaeval mentality in places like the Balkans, Russia and the Middle East ect... but not in Britain. We're quite civilised in comparison.
(Ian, British Repubic, 24 January 2013 18:57)
You are quite civilized in comparison until you have a few drinks and the upper-stiff-lip drops and starts flapping in the fog, then, you are no different than the rabid Greater Albanians that y'all feed out of fear.
You forgott to mention your own kind, the albanians, who are not in the Eu but has allready invaded The Uk and other Eu states with uneducated beggars and drug lords. Did you know that over 1 million k-albs live outside Kosovo? If they never left Kosovo in the first place Europe could easily close 70 % of their prisons.
"This is not about turning our backs on Europe - quite the opposite". Cameron was quoted as saying by the AFP.
B92
It was never really about leaving the EU.It was partially to curtail the rise of UKIP and to divert the electorate's attention away from the terrible financial woes afflicting the UK on an illusory EU exit.
On the economic front despite the brutal budget cuts national debt has been increasing-more than £100 billion in the last year alone,bankruptcies are up,and the working class are about to start dying off and they are one step closer to Victorian Britain (only without the do-gooders amongst the upper classes or superpower status or empire)
This was, after all, the whole point of the enterprise old boy!
What's more, they are not even rioting.
@ Andy UK, as a general rule we have elections every 5 years not every 4. Early elections are not common place. Politicians love every second they're in power.
That is most definitely true for serbia too. lets see, the average wage in Serbia is 350EURO's p.m, do you think Ari Gold, sj, trizo, winston, Peggy would return to Serbia for those wages and who can blame them when they don't?
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
Anyone who has to talk themselves up online and how much money they can blow over a weekend is obviously a clear loser.
Btw if you're so proud of using the pound and how much money you make, why do you have to extend an overdraft after only 500 pounds? Maybe you're not as well of as you think, or maybe you're part of the debt problem.
You're the biggest joke of a person I've ever witnessed speak.
Anyone who has to talk themselves up online and how much money they can blow over a weekend is obviously a clear loser.
Btw if you're so proud of using the pound and how much money you make, why do you have to extend an overdraft after only 500 pounds? Maybe you're not as well of as you think, or maybe you're part of the debt problem.
(trizo, 25 January 2013 13:35)
First off you've never witnessed be speak a single word.
Secondly, like I say, people like you are jealous.
Thirdly I went on Holiday at the end of Novemeber, having paid for a hotel, flights, spending money, going out at home throughout the month, paying bills, rent, tax, satellite tv, internet, university tuition fees, food, petrol, car inusurance and Xmas presents for people. Some extra things there on top of my normal monthly budget.
The only debt I have is a student loan and that is the best loan a man can have due to it's extremely low interest rate.
You should be proud of such a country.
(Leonidas, 25 January 2013 14:52)
In a perverse way I am proud of my country. It may not be perfect, which country is?
That does not hide the fact that folk beyond these shores are envious of the UK.
Bigger, badder and uglier guys have tried to knock the UK, disgruntled commenter’s such as yourself are two a penny and less threatening.
I cannot recall you ever divulging your origins. Your name would indicate somewhere in SEE. How are things in your country? Proud of your nation also?
I just love it when the opportunity arrives to ‘bash the brits’, the detractors pour out of the woodwork and claim to be from places like Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Italy, Albania, Kosovo US!
Not exactly dependable foundations to criticise from are they? Still, jealousy does bring out the worst, and The UNITED KINGDOM and her OLD EMPIRE certainly excites a few still!
Get over it people. Empires do what empires do, rightly or wrongly, empires grow and wealth is made.
Nobody ever seems to harp on about the Spanish, Dutch, French, German, Portuguese or, of late the US, empires as much as the British. Maybe it was because we were so successful at it
The year is 2013, times have changed and people/countries move on. The empire died almost 70 years ago. The Commonwealth (or, The Club), an organisation that anyone can request to join, is seen by some as its successor, wrong. More of a Global EU without the bureaucratic nonsense and legislation.
David Cameron has voiced the concerns of a number of EU members. The fact that he is castigated for it proves that he has hit a nerve.
UK leave the EU? I very much doubt it; the exit costs would be so prohibitive. This ‘Club’ is not really as democratic as some would believe. At the same time, our presence and our weight does keep the Germans and French in check at times.
Bash the brits? Bring it on guys! Its water of a ducks back to us. Been there, done that got the t-shirt
Nobody may like us, but we don’t particularly care!
"We could do with some of these Kosova-Albanians returning from places like Germany, Switzerland and the US with their Western Skills and Education as they'd be benificial for Kosova. "
(Haitian, 25 January 2013 10:02)
But these people don't want to return to a rotten place without any perspective for the future. The only thing they could do there is increasing the mass of unemployed. Furthermore, without the money these 100,000s of people who work abroad (assuming most of them work, not including the criminals and drug lords) send home to their relatives, it wouldn't take long until the people in Kosovo starve, like in Africa.
Jealous of a country in which 2 million children live below the poverty line or it cannot afford to pay a living pension to millions of pensioners (currently just above £100/week),unemployed and another 12 or more millions on state benefits?Jealous of a country that cannot afford a state education system and forces millions of students to borrow and pay £9000/year on tuition fees and by the time they graduate they carry a huge debt burden on their shoulders?
Did I hit a nerve with you by pointing out the obvious which is the UK resembles the characteristics of an emerging country? As to your attempt in trying to raise the status of UK within the EU by saying " our presence and our weight does keep the Germans and French in check at times" is laughable.It is the Germans and to a lesser extent the French who are the chiefs within the EU,the rest are Indians.
My identity is well known to posters on this site and things are really bad in my own country,as I have said many times in the past.Now,taking into consideration that most of your countrymen are totally ignorant on European affairs-let alone Balkans-I wonder whether the likes of you or Ian are real descendants of William the Conqueror.
Pt One
Hit a nerve? Sorry Leonidas, missed by a mile (sorry 1.61km) I guess you found my response a little subdued last night and felt rather smug. Should not have typed a quick response.
www.barnardos.org.uk
Check out the link regards Poverty, a respectable organisation.
Figures quoted (financial) are a generalisation, and probably taken from the Governments own website.
How does the UK compare? A lot better than sensational headlines! Unemployment? A curse in any society! Latest figures show 2.49m claimants, a little less than 8% of the workforce. Not bad considering the economic state. Incidentally, within 10 miles of my postcode are 521 vacancies, just checked.
Child allowance, available to all (until recently) is a benefit. 12m? Direct me to your reference.
State pension, £107pw basic. There is also additional state pension depending on the number of years worked. Incidentally, these benefits are all paid from government coffers, whether from taxation or borrowing.
Education. Have my misgivings regard the system, but generally, free until the end of high school/college (19/21yoa)
University, that’s a different matter and would need its own thread!
Leonidas, whether you like it or not UK does have weight within the EU and can keep check on German/French antics. Your pitiful retort only echos your pain at the state of your nation and its influence!
Ignorant of European affairs! That’s a fair one, most brits’ on reading the paper start from the back (Sport) than progress to Xword, cartoons and T£ts.
My interest in Balkan affairs commenced in 1999. Three missions and one wife!.
Pt two
Finally, and it’s a long shot, Neither Ian (UK) or myself appear to be descended from that thug William and his band of mercenaries. My origins are Scotland/Ireland and I believe Ian (UK) is similar (Though his family never managed to escape from Yorkshire whereas mine sought sanctuary in Lancashire)
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