Remains of King Petar II transferred to Serbia

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu!

Petar's role in WWII remains somewhat controversial, but he certainly can't be held responsible for the later excesses of the Chetnik movement.
(Fikret, 22 January 2013 16:58)

Titoist propaganda. The Chetnik movement was the first guerrilla army assembled in Europe to resist Hitler and Nazi Germany. They remained fighting the Germans until their very demise which was due to the betrayal of the Allied Forces.

Only then did Tito begin to discredit General Draza Mihajlovic by accusing him of collaborating with the Nazi's in order to quickly murder him because Draza was more popular with Serbs and Tito could not afford to have such loud opposition in his new communist state.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu.

"There is undeniable PROOF that Mihaljlovic collaborated with the Nazis."

No there is not at all. The Nazis had notices with a huge reward for his capture or death. Just because a few other generals in Montenegro, or what have you, might have cooperated - it was independent of Mihaljlovic.

Also, Tito's generals did in fact meet with Nazis and wanted a deal where they both stopped fighting to concentrate on the Chetniks.

Further, Tito was given false credit for many Chetnik attacks and successes against the Nazis. A British communist mole was feeding disinformation about Mihaljlovic.

And Serb civilians were killed far, far, far more than Muslims and Croats. The Bosnian Muslims joined with the Ustashe or were part of Himmler's special project. Albanians just killed all the Serbs they could, as usual.

Excellent news that the late King will be returning to his homeland to be buried where he should be, after years of repression from communists and those that still remain even after the years of SFRJ. Though I don't know why Dacic will be present at the airport, he's just another piece of commie scum leading a party full of former communist party members who will probably be gritting his teeth at the fact the late King Petar II will be returning. Nevertheless though this is long overdue.

Lenard, give your historical revisionism a rest. Trying to deflect attention away from Croatian Ustasha WWII atrocities by equating alleged Chetnik wrongdoing as the same is a tactic that you guys have used, unsuccessfully, for decades. Try telling the families of the more than 500 downed US airmen rescued by Mihailovich's Chetniks that they were Nazi collaborators. Hitler placed a bounty on Mihailovich's head for god's sake. Lenard, how many of your Ustasha relatives greeted Hitler into Zagreb with a ticker tape parade? I'm sure you're very proud of your ancestry.

I know it's tough for you to read about Serbian royalty when your ancestors served as butt boys and boot lickers for centuries to your Austro Hungarian masters. Must be a shame to have a history like that.

There is a huge lack of historical knowledge in some of these comments.

lenard, Karadjordje ascended to royalty because he led the first uprising against the Ottoman Empire, he was a pig farmer, so whats your point? A bitter croat spouting rubbish it seems.

Fikret, you claim there is 'proof' that Mihailovic collaborated with the Nazis, no there is not. Any Chetniks that collaborated were those under the command of Kosta Pecanac, a renegade Chetnik who split from Mihailovic, he was eventually captured and killed by Mihailovic's Chetniks for being a traitor. Have you ever heard of Operation Haylard? This is where Chetniks under Mihailovic's command rescued over 500 downed American pilots who were shot down by the Nazis after bombing raids on Romanian air fields, downed pilots who survived were found and rescued by Chetniks before the Nazis could capture them. Some of those pilots live today and rightfully treat Mihailovic as the hero he was, even sometimes travelling to Ravna Gora every year to commemorate him. I think you need to cut the crap.

Mr. Burns, you have a reasonable point though I can understand his return to Serbia. Indeed many Serbs fled Yugoslavia because of the Titoist takeover and their loyalty to him as King, howver the days of Tito are now over and the Karadjordjevic dynasty can be celebrated in Serbia without repression. The royal coat of arms has been returned as Serbia's national coat of arms and so I think it is time his body was laid to rest at home.

"Titoist propaganda."

Still a million times better than Serb ultranationalism.

Even though I don't know all the reasons: I have mixed feelings about this...if King Peter requested that his remains be returned ,that's one thing.

On the other hand,he led the Serbian Diaspora too leave Europe and Come too the United States ,and the people he led suffered doing different jobs...even some of the Serbians were Murdered by the Udba ( one girl in particular was 11 years old murder victim )that he was buried by... Doesn't seem fair that he returns and other serbians are buried in libretyville and perhaps couldn't afford too return to the land of their birth...

Time to bring back the Neijmianic Dynasty or some other person willing to lead in a proper manner....

Petar's role in WWII remains somewhat controversial, but he certainly can't be held responsible for the later excesses of the Chetnik movement.
(Fikret, 22 January 2013 16:58)

Titoist propaganda. The Chetnik movement was the first guerrilla army assembled in Europe to resist Hitler and Nazi Germany. They remained fighting the Germans until their very demise which was due to the betrayal of the Allied Forces.

Only then did Tito begin to discredit General Draza Mihajlovic by accusing him of collaborating with the Nazi's in order to quickly murder him because Draza was more popular with Serbs and Tito could not afford to have such loud opposition in his new communist state.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu.
(Ari Gold,

There is undeniable PROOF that Mihaljlovic collaborated with the Nazis.
There is also undeniable truth that Chetnics committed heinous crimes and masacred minoriteis in the former Yugo. There are still, to this day, more than enough chetnicks who are ready to take innocent lives.

Getting Ari to see the truth is like moving mountains.

There is undeniable PROOF that Mihaljlovic collaborated with the Nazis.
==============================

Let's see it. Sorry, but I don't take your word for it.
Show us the evidence or take it back.

Geeezzzz, why do you people lie so much?

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu!
(Ari Gold, 22 January 2013 12:29)

Hvala bogu i daj boze da tako bude.

Mr. Burns, you don't get to pick your monarchy like you pick your shoes. If The Karadjordejvic dynasty was good enough to see us through 2 world wars and the communist occupation, they are good enough for the future too.

The King may have wanted to stay in America, and that is a wonderful sacrifice he wanted to make to be with his men, but as a King he deserves Serbian State honors and burial, and the Serbian People deserve to see that through. It may be too little and too late for the old generation, but it was just that he should be honored and buried in his kingdom.

Fikret

Stop backtracking, I think you've seen now what an idiot you've made yourself appear. Other people with sense have backed up the argument on here that Mihailovic was no Nazi collaborator. Some people seem to think that anyone who wore a red star could have no way have been a Nazi collaborator, this is plain ignorance and naivety. As we know the allies landed in Italy from North Africa into Europe, however the original plan was to land on the Adriatic Coast in Dalmatia, it is true that Milovan Djilas of the partizan side in one of his many visits to the Ustasa high command in Zagreb that one metting agreed an alliance in the event of an allied landing.

How dose a pig farmers family come to be Royalty only in Serbia. Was the qualification for the post that you have the most pigs in all of Serbia. Prime Minister Ivica Dačić don't give up you have even better chance to be a King of Serbia. You change colour so good just like a comillian royal purple for you next wallah King of Serbia your subjects await.

Titoist propaganda."

Still a million times better than Serb ultranationalism.
(Fikret, 22 January 2013 18:47)

Created and cut serbian land to be administrative first today 2-nd NDH is close to Drina river, promice to Enver Hodza Kosovo (never ever before) Province albo fluded in. Word "Serb ultranationalism" is enemy replacement for "we need more serbian land". Our King will rest in Serbian land and his people will keep this land for future generation. Also reminder:under cover ultranationalist Serb don't wanted your land.

The Return of the King! In your face, america. The only king buried on us soil is reclaimed by his home country. What a load of american propaganda, too. There was absolutely no protest from Serbs in america - most of them were wondering why it took so long. america did not deserve his remains after its betrayal of its historic Serbian ally.

I expect to be informed well in advance of the reburial services to give me a chance to attend his funeral for a second time.

Titoist propaganda. The Chetnik movement was the first guerrilla army assembled in Europe to resist Hitler and Nazi Germany. They remained fighting the Germans until their very demise which was due to the betrayal of the Allied Forces.

Only then did Tito begin to discredit General Draza Mihajlovic by accusing him of collaborating with the Nazi's in order to quickly murder him because Draza was more popular with Serbs and Tito could not afford to have such loud opposition in his new communist state.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu.
(Ari Gold, 22 January 2013 17:25)

Kosta Pecanac and his Chetniks not only colaberated with the Nazis, they faught and died for them too. As did the Serbian State Guard and the Serbian Volunteer Corps. As did Milan Nedic and friends.

To say the Allies betrayed the Chetniks is ridiculous. It was the Red Army which liberated Yugoslavia in WW2 and they favoured the Communist Partisans over the Chetniks when they came to town.

Also Yugoslavia was never a Communist State. In fact you can't even have a State under Communism, the idea of a "Communist State" is contradictory. Under Communism there isn't a state, only a Social Commune; hence the name "Communism". Yugoslavia under Tito was a Socialist State, originally claiming to be working towards Communism only (a bit like the USSR). This is why Yugoslavia was known as the "Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia". Notice how "Communist" isn't in the offical name but "Socialist" is?

"Stop backtracking, I think you've seen now what an idiot you've made yourself appear."

First I'm accused of saying something I never said, next I'm personally insulted. Every intelligent reader can draw his own conclusions.

you don't get to pick your monarchy like you pick your shoes. If The Karadjordejvic dynasty was good enough to see us through 2 world wars and the communist occupation, they are good enough for the future too.

Marko - I agree with everything you said except the previous statement...when a monarchy was set up originally by our ancestors in Rome(at the time of the Caesars, all the way to 1453 when the last Emperor died defending his people) it was not meant to be a hereditary monarchy...the idea or concept of a Hereditary monarchy was something forced on us in the Balkans after we over through the Ottomans...the support we received from the western powers had a price ,and that price was too accept any monarchy they sent us...so , since we lost in the past 100 years over 2/3 of our population ...my , vote is for any that has Earned it...and Alaxandar Karadjordejvic, former resident of Neiperville illinois hasn't earned it yet...

Lenord www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvqF-bfyb6M&sns=tw

Interesting the comparison between Zagreb and Beograd.

Before WWII the Communist Party in the 1-st Yuga is working to make the Serbs to no longer have a King. WWII was used, and Serbian land is given to those who have no history, other don't have the kingdom and I don't speak about that.
Clever people from the former 2-nd yuga should not be jealous of what the Serbs have in the first Yuga or vice versa.
Manifestation form that area of primitivism and jealousy is normal. People of no history without Tito shields is only former proletarians in new own state old betwen 10 to 20 year.
Think twice if I,m wrong.
Serbian Kingdom is coming back on the Serbian land.

Petar's role in WWII remains somewhat controversial, but he certainly can't be held responsible for the later excesses of the Chetnik movement.

Even though I don't know all the reasons: I have mixed feelings about this...if King Peter requested that his remains be returned ,that's one thing.

(Mr.Burns, 22 January 2013 19:07)

"He requested" ! He didn't knew he'd be instantly reborn, in Serbia!

I have business partner who's born 1970. He's lazy, quasi noble, selfish coward with absolute absence of patriotism. He'd walk over his family bodies or sell the future of anybody who know- just to live.. After all of that he'd have requests too., sooo - HE MUST BE Peter the IInd., that simple.

Just leave 'im there, he's OK and we're even better.

"Fikret, you claim there is 'proof' that Mihailovic collaborated with the Nazis, no there is not."

I said so? Now that's interesting news! To my best knowledge, I only spoke about Chetnik excesses. These are a proven historic fact just like Operation Haylard. But without any doubt, the weight of both is disputable.

Just for the record: Despite of my bigger sympathies for the Partisans, I would like to acknowledge they were involved in war crimes as well.

however the original plan was to land on the Adriatic Coast in Dalmatia,
(SCP UK, 23 January 2013 12:36

I thought I was well read on aspects of WWII, this is new to me, can you provide a reference for me please? (other than wiki)

Thanks in advance

Ian, UK said, "Kosta Pecanac and his Chetniks not only colaberated with the Nazis, they faught and died for them too.

What a misleading statement.

Pecanac was a renegade who did indeed work closely with the Nazis.

Pecanac was also branded as a traitor and executed for treason.

If you want to appear credible, you need to tell the truth.

How dose a pig farmers family come to be Royalty only in Serbia. Was the qualification for the post that you have the most pigs in all of Serbia. Prime Minister Ivica Dačić don't give up you have even better chance to be a King of Serbia. You change colour so good just like a comillian royal purple for you next wallah King of Serbia your subjects await.

"Titoist propaganda."

Still a million times better than Serb ultranationalism.

Petar's role in WWII remains somewhat controversial, but he certainly can't be held responsible for the later excesses of the Chetnik movement.
(Fikret, 22 January 2013 16:58)

Titoist propaganda. The Chetnik movement was the first guerrilla army assembled in Europe to resist Hitler and Nazi Germany. They remained fighting the Germans until their very demise which was due to the betrayal of the Allied Forces.

Only then did Tito begin to discredit General Draza Mihajlovic by accusing him of collaborating with the Nazi's in order to quickly murder him because Draza was more popular with Serbs and Tito could not afford to have such loud opposition in his new communist state.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu.
(Ari Gold,

There is undeniable PROOF that Mihaljlovic collaborated with the Nazis.
There is also undeniable truth that Chetnics committed heinous crimes and masacred minoriteis in the former Yugo. There are still, to this day, more than enough chetnicks who are ready to take innocent lives.

Getting Ari to see the truth is like moving mountains.

Petar's role in WWII remains somewhat controversial, but he certainly can't be held responsible for the later excesses of the Chetnik movement.

Titoist propaganda. The Chetnik movement was the first guerrilla army assembled in Europe to resist Hitler and Nazi Germany. They remained fighting the Germans until their very demise which was due to the betrayal of the Allied Forces.

Only then did Tito begin to discredit General Draza Mihajlovic by accusing him of collaborating with the Nazi's in order to quickly murder him because Draza was more popular with Serbs and Tito could not afford to have such loud opposition in his new communist state.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu.
(Ari Gold, 22 January 2013 17:25)

Kosta Pecanac and his Chetniks not only colaberated with the Nazis, they faught and died for them too. As did the Serbian State Guard and the Serbian Volunteer Corps. As did Milan Nedic and friends.

To say the Allies betrayed the Chetniks is ridiculous. It was the Red Army which liberated Yugoslavia in WW2 and they favoured the Communist Partisans over the Chetniks when they came to town.

Also Yugoslavia was never a Communist State. In fact you can't even have a State under Communism, the idea of a "Communist State" is contradictory. Under Communism there isn't a state, only a Social Commune; hence the name "Communism". Yugoslavia under Tito was a Socialist State, originally claiming to be working towards Communism only (a bit like the USSR). This is why Yugoslavia was known as the "Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia". Notice how "Communist" isn't in the offical name but "Socialist" is?

Petar's role in WWII remains somewhat controversial, but he certainly can't be held responsible for the later excesses of the Chetnik movement.
(Fikret, 22 January 2013 16:58)

Titoist propaganda. The Chetnik movement was the first guerrilla army assembled in Europe to resist Hitler and Nazi Germany. They remained fighting the Germans until their very demise which was due to the betrayal of the Allied Forces.

Only then did Tito begin to discredit General Draza Mihajlovic by accusing him of collaborating with the Nazi's in order to quickly murder him because Draza was more popular with Serbs and Tito could not afford to have such loud opposition in his new communist state.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu!

"There is undeniable PROOF that Mihaljlovic collaborated with the Nazis."

No there is not at all. The Nazis had notices with a huge reward for his capture or death. Just because a few other generals in Montenegro, or what have you, might have cooperated - it was independent of Mihaljlovic.

Also, Tito's generals did in fact meet with Nazis and wanted a deal where they both stopped fighting to concentrate on the Chetniks.

Further, Tito was given false credit for many Chetnik attacks and successes against the Nazis. A British communist mole was feeding disinformation about Mihaljlovic.

And Serb civilians were killed far, far, far more than Muslims and Croats. The Bosnian Muslims joined with the Ustashe or were part of Himmler's special project. Albanians just killed all the Serbs they could, as usual.

Even though I don't know all the reasons: I have mixed feelings about this...if King Peter requested that his remains be returned ,that's one thing.

(Mr.Burns, 22 January 2013 19:07)

"He requested" ! He didn't knew he'd be instantly reborn, in Serbia!

I have business partner who's born 1970. He's lazy, quasi noble, selfish coward with absolute absence of patriotism. He'd walk over his family bodies or sell the future of anybody who know- just to live.. After all of that he'd have requests too., sooo - HE MUST BE Peter the IInd., that simple.

Just leave 'im there, he's OK and we're even better.

There is undeniable PROOF that Mihaljlovic collaborated with the Nazis.
==============================

Let's see it. Sorry, but I don't take your word for it.
Show us the evidence or take it back.

Geeezzzz, why do you people lie so much?

There is a huge lack of historical knowledge in some of these comments.

lenard, Karadjordje ascended to royalty because he led the first uprising against the Ottoman Empire, he was a pig farmer, so whats your point? A bitter croat spouting rubbish it seems.

Fikret, you claim there is 'proof' that Mihailovic collaborated with the Nazis, no there is not. Any Chetniks that collaborated were those under the command of Kosta Pecanac, a renegade Chetnik who split from Mihailovic, he was eventually captured and killed by Mihailovic's Chetniks for being a traitor. Have you ever heard of Operation Haylard? This is where Chetniks under Mihailovic's command rescued over 500 downed American pilots who were shot down by the Nazis after bombing raids on Romanian air fields, downed pilots who survived were found and rescued by Chetniks before the Nazis could capture them. Some of those pilots live today and rightfully treat Mihailovic as the hero he was, even sometimes travelling to Ravna Gora every year to commemorate him. I think you need to cut the crap.

Mr. Burns, you have a reasonable point though I can understand his return to Serbia. Indeed many Serbs fled Yugoslavia because of the Titoist takeover and their loyalty to him as King, howver the days of Tito are now over and the Karadjordjevic dynasty can be celebrated in Serbia without repression. The royal coat of arms has been returned as Serbia's national coat of arms and so I think it is time his body was laid to rest at home.

The Return of the King! In your face, america. The only king buried on us soil is reclaimed by his home country. What a load of american propaganda, too. There was absolutely no protest from Serbs in america - most of them were wondering why it took so long. america did not deserve his remains after its betrayal of its historic Serbian ally.

I expect to be informed well in advance of the reburial services to give me a chance to attend his funeral for a second time.

Fikret

Stop backtracking, I think you've seen now what an idiot you've made yourself appear. Other people with sense have backed up the argument on here that Mihailovic was no Nazi collaborator. Some people seem to think that anyone who wore a red star could have no way have been a Nazi collaborator, this is plain ignorance and naivety. As we know the allies landed in Italy from North Africa into Europe, however the original plan was to land on the Adriatic Coast in Dalmatia, it is true that Milovan Djilas of the partizan side in one of his many visits to the Ustasa high command in Zagreb that one metting agreed an alliance in the event of an allied landing.

"Stop backtracking, I think you've seen now what an idiot you've made yourself appear."

First I'm accused of saying something I never said, next I'm personally insulted. Every intelligent reader can draw his own conclusions.

Excellent news that the late King will be returning to his homeland to be buried where he should be, after years of repression from communists and those that still remain even after the years of SFRJ. Though I don't know why Dacic will be present at the airport, he's just another piece of commie scum leading a party full of former communist party members who will probably be gritting his teeth at the fact the late King Petar II will be returning. Nevertheless though this is long overdue.

Even though I don't know all the reasons: I have mixed feelings about this...if King Peter requested that his remains be returned ,that's one thing.

On the other hand,he led the Serbian Diaspora too leave Europe and Come too the United States ,and the people he led suffered doing different jobs...even some of the Serbians were Murdered by the Udba ( one girl in particular was 11 years old murder victim )that he was buried by... Doesn't seem fair that he returns and other serbians are buried in libretyville and perhaps couldn't afford too return to the land of their birth...

Time to bring back the Neijmianic Dynasty or some other person willing to lead in a proper manner....

Before WWII the Communist Party in the 1-st Yuga is working to make the Serbs to no longer have a King. WWII was used, and Serbian land is given to those who have no history, other don't have the kingdom and I don't speak about that.
Clever people from the former 2-nd yuga should not be jealous of what the Serbs have in the first Yuga or vice versa.
Manifestation form that area of primitivism and jealousy is normal. People of no history without Tito shields is only former proletarians in new own state old betwen 10 to 20 year.
Think twice if I,m wrong.
Serbian Kingdom is coming back on the Serbian land.

Lenard, give your historical revisionism a rest. Trying to deflect attention away from Croatian Ustasha WWII atrocities by equating alleged Chetnik wrongdoing as the same is a tactic that you guys have used, unsuccessfully, for decades. Try telling the families of the more than 500 downed US airmen rescued by Mihailovich's Chetniks that they were Nazi collaborators. Hitler placed a bounty on Mihailovich's head for god's sake. Lenard, how many of your Ustasha relatives greeted Hitler into Zagreb with a ticker tape parade? I'm sure you're very proud of your ancestry.

I know it's tough for you to read about Serbian royalty when your ancestors served as butt boys and boot lickers for centuries to your Austro Hungarian masters. Must be a shame to have a history like that.

"Fikret, you claim there is 'proof' that Mihailovic collaborated with the Nazis, no there is not."

I said so? Now that's interesting news! To my best knowledge, I only spoke about Chetnik excesses. These are a proven historic fact just like Operation Haylard. But without any doubt, the weight of both is disputable.

Just for the record: Despite of my bigger sympathies for the Partisans, I would like to acknowledge they were involved in war crimes as well.

you don't get to pick your monarchy like you pick your shoes. If The Karadjordejvic dynasty was good enough to see us through 2 world wars and the communist occupation, they are good enough for the future too.

Marko - I agree with everything you said except the previous statement...when a monarchy was set up originally by our ancestors in Rome(at the time of the Caesars, all the way to 1453 when the last Emperor died defending his people) it was not meant to be a hereditary monarchy...the idea or concept of a Hereditary monarchy was something forced on us in the Balkans after we over through the Ottomans...the support we received from the western powers had a price ,and that price was too accept any monarchy they sent us...so , since we lost in the past 100 years over 2/3 of our population ...my , vote is for any that has Earned it...and Alaxandar Karadjordejvic, former resident of Neiperville illinois hasn't earned it yet...

Lenord www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvqF-bfyb6M&sns=tw

Interesting the comparison between Zagreb and Beograd.

however the original plan was to land on the Adriatic Coast in Dalmatia,
(SCP UK, 23 January 2013 12:36

I thought I was well read on aspects of WWII, this is new to me, can you provide a reference for me please? (other than wiki)

Thanks in advance

Ian, UK said, "Kosta Pecanac and his Chetniks not only colaberated with the Nazis, they faught and died for them too.

What a misleading statement.

Pecanac was a renegade who did indeed work closely with the Nazis.

Pecanac was also branded as a traitor and executed for treason.

If you want to appear credible, you need to tell the truth.

Za Kralja i Otadzbinu!
(Ari Gold, 22 January 2013 12:29)

Hvala bogu i daj boze da tako bude.

Mr. Burns, you don't get to pick your monarchy like you pick your shoes. If The Karadjordejvic dynasty was good enough to see us through 2 world wars and the communist occupation, they are good enough for the future too.

The King may have wanted to stay in America, and that is a wonderful sacrifice he wanted to make to be with his men, but as a King he deserves Serbian State honors and burial, and the Serbian People deserve to see that through. It may be too little and too late for the old generation, but it was just that he should be honored and buried in his kingdom.

Titoist propaganda."

Still a million times better than Serb ultranationalism.
(Fikret, 22 January 2013 18:47)

Created and cut serbian land to be administrative first today 2-nd NDH is close to Drina river, promice to Enver Hodza Kosovo (never ever before) Province albo fluded in. Word "Serb ultranationalism" is enemy replacement for "we need more serbian land". Our King will rest in Serbian land and his people will keep this land for future generation. Also reminder:under cover ultranationalist Serb don't wanted your land.