PM: No reason for Albanians in south to protest

It is quite obvious that this monument was erected to elicit a response from Serbian authorities, and then attempt to "internationalize" the Serbian response. There is an endless effort by Albanians to draw the Presevo Valley into the Kosovo independence mix. This monument had nothing to do with honoring the Albanian "freedom fighters" of Presevo. If it was a true memorial, it would have been placed initially in a more appropriate place, like the courtyard of a mosque, Islamic cultural center, etc., and not in the middle of the city center, where non-resident would find its presence disturbing. Unfortunately, the reactions from the international community was not what the Albanians wanted, and are now trying hard to save face, and prolong their failed attempt. The monument was not destroyed, it can still be placed in a location where all sides see fit. Too much effort is spent on separating this part of the Balkans, as opposed to working together to find solutions.

Sorry team Albania, but Serbia and its government played this one by the book! And we both know that if you dont you will be told to put up and shut up by Washington and the rest. You can threat as much as you want either in Serbia and Kosovo but they eyes of they world are watching you! As are the eyes of a certain Mr Putin and with South Stream to be built in Serbia, and do you think he will allow rival factors threaten or jeopardize that?! Remember when Georgia and even Chechnya thought they had outside backing...?! Putin and Medvedev gave them the biggest slap ever!!! Tide is turning and time & truth are on Serbias side... Enjoy your prison state South of the Ibar River!!

Ziveli!

"There will be no negotiations with terrorists - that's what we've learned from the West."

Unfortunately things aren't that easy. Once "terrorists" have strong backing by the citizens of a country - even if it's only within a certain ethnic minority group -, the situation's getting difficult. Just like there won't be peace in Afghanistan without at least considering the motives of Taliban supporters, you cannot completly ignore the views of those Albanians in Presevo who sympathize with the UCK.

Having said that, I would like to point out I'm neither a supporter of the Taliban nor of the UCK. Also, I've always thought the monument in Presevo's unnecessary provocation.

Fighting against the terrorist forces of a dictator like Milosevic is the purest act of freedom. Albanians brought down your dictator. Be thankful.

-- Also what's good for the gander is good for the goose. Same rights for N. Mitro Serbs as for Presheva Valley Albanians. Anyone who appreciates human rights appreciates this.

Common serbia you can do more then just that... John Hopkins University student
Boy, do they teach grammar at John Hopkins? In any case, I am not quite sure what protection "the people" are seeking from their Serbian government, and where? Are you talking about Kosovo or Presevo? I also do not see how these people are threatened, asides from the individual crimes Serb and Albanian citizens commit against each other. What do you propose the Serbian government do? Serbian authority has been pretty much been stripped away in Kosovo, and I do not see Albanians being attacked by anyone in Presevo so please explain. If you are referring to the monument incident, I believe it has been solved. It's just a matter of finding it a new home, one that is more appropriate for all the citizens of Presevo.

It is the right of the people to protest if they feel unhappy with the governments actions.Governments have to guarantee and protect its people and if people feel unprotected then they have the right to protest.Serbia is just worrying that the story has got its international attention. Common serbia you can do more then just that...

met people from Serbia and Kosovo too they Re very good they think all different not as Dacic want to have destabilisation in Balckan come on Serbia political hange your attitude be good and make your people to be proud that living in Serbia no ones want to live there just because of bad political environment. Albanians have they right to have monument or whatever they want. Is not a big deal. We have in london lots of monuments bad that not related. Try you change your political way I think enough people Re fed up with you milosevic party.

Thank you from United Kingdom.
(John, 21 January 2013 13:26)

So you have monuments of Bin Ladin or other terrorists in London?I sure as hell would like to see them. They have no right at all to put up monuments over terrorists that killed serb police officers IN SERBIA!How logical is that, you kill a police officer and then u expect u can have amonument in the very same country?

John fron the UK, I can see that you are a pure Brit. In any case, Serbia did exactly what it should have done with the monument in Presevo. It did not destry it, but simply took it away until Albanian leaders in Presevo decide where they want to put it. It cannot be placed in the center of the city, as there are non-Albanian residents there that find the monument quite disturbing. BTW, it (the monument) was erected without permission from the State, why was that part avoided? There are several different ethnicities living in the Presevo Valley, not just Albanians, so ALL ethnicities must be respected. Put the monument in a place where Albanians congregate, a courtyard in a mosque, and Islamic cultural center, etc., but not in the center of the city. I have a strong suspicion that this monument was meant to provoke Serbian authorities, and now Albanians are crying bloody murder that their rights have been violated - by the script. Milosevic would probably have blown Presevo up, if a monument to the KLA was put up, so no, Dacic is not behaving like him. He has acted a purely reasonable and democratic way, respecting Serbia's laws. and the will of the majority - the Serbs in Serbia.

Thank you from United Kingdom.
(John, 21 January 2013 13:26)

wtff, read this fools statement he is playing off to be an Englishmen but cannot even properly construct a single sentence in English. Why do the Albanians on here always do this? Willi pfaff, Hans, Brian and now this "john".

wtff, read this fools statement he is playing off to be an Englishmen but cannot even properly construct a single sentence in English. Why do the Albanians on here always do this? Willi pfaff, Hans, Brian and now this "john".
(Ari Gold, 21 January 2013 15:16)

You forgot Peggy. For years she claimed she wasn't a Serb or connected in any way to Serbs. Then she started talking about " our Kosovo". Watch her deny it.

The Serbian government is really going out of it's way to preserve the monument. My bet is that this government will re-erect it later.

Hi everyone there in Serbia.

I just was wondering to ask Dacic why his political way not changed since milosevic went in huge I do not understand these people why they not changing their political way to be clever to be democrats. Serbia want to join Europe and how can join EU when they are racist. England team was for a match in Serbia couples months ago and they attack them. Why you are not being quiet people we know you lost every war because god not help you.

I met people from Serbia and Kosovo too they Re very good they think all different not as Dacic want to have destabilisation in Balckan come on Serbia political hange your attitude be good and make your people to be proud that living in Serbia no ones want to live there just because of bad political environment. Albanians have they right to have monument or whatever they want. Is not a big deal. We have in london lots of monuments bad that not related. Try you change your political way I think enough people Re fed up with you milosevic party.

Thank you from United Kingdom.

Winsotn

You should rather look for your own grammar first before you judge mine:)
Well what im reffering to is that all ethnicities should have the right to govern and decide on its own right?If the albanian population is part of serbia then i think they are beeing threatened by the government and the rights are not being guaranteed by the government. their rights of posting a monument anywhere they want to or for just protesting against the situation in the region.Serbia is asking so much from Kosovo for their own people where Kosovo I think does guarantee them those rights..I mean the south is the poorest region in serbia and the government hasnt done much to change that instead it has isolated the region. As long as there are no jobs and no economic development in the region the serbian government is going to face difficulties because the unemployement will connect >Tirana,Pristina,Skopje,Presevo more with each other, it will strenghten them.

BTW, United Kingdom:

http://ukinmontserrat.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=News&id=851669582

"It is regrettable that the Government should have removed the monument unilaterally without engaging in further negotiations when a mutually acceptable resolution seemed close."

Serbs always talk about a "mutually acceptable resolutions" but they don't know what it means. It has no meaning to them when it applies to Presheva, and logically it should have no meaning when it applies to Kosova.

Are you really telling albanians not to protest, you must be kidding!? You are promoting Serbia as a democratic country, which is a joke in it self alone, then at least let the people protest, they are doing it peacefully. Its not like the Albanians are putting upp barricades or any of that sort, and they sure as hell did not use a sniper hiding from far away and murder any of your finest like the serbs did in north ks, there wasnt even an attempt.

You also keep mentioning law, what a farce your are. You do not have a law that prohibits albanians from putting memorials, or maybe you do after all its Serbia we are talking about. You taking it down means in legal terms oppression of minorities, law is guided by principles and paragraphs not by feelings.

And you did not use any force you say huh, well i dont know what movie you saw but the movie i saw you had about 100 of you finest warriors all ready to turn hell upside down.What would have happened if the albanians would have behaved like the serbs are behaving in north ks, oo i see it would not have ended in a pleasent manner, at lest not for albanians.

Kosovars you need to instantly end all and any attempt af destroying anything that is affiliated with serbs. Simply do not even go near it, just treat it like a pice of sh*t and dont touch it. Why you are giving them the satisfaction is beyond my understanding. If you want to complain go to Thaci he is the one who is letting us down.

@Ivica

Who are you to decide whether Albanians should protest or not? You started the domino effect, and now live with it.
But, make sure that plaque is intact and put it back where it was. I know you will, since US&EU gives you orders when they deem necessary.

@ Questioner: While I don't agree with the UCKs violent methods at all, I must admit the situation in Presevo back in 2000/2001 was indeed intolerable for Albanians. Please let's not forget this.

"Unfortunately things aren't that easy. Once "terrorists" have strong backing by the citizens of a country - even if it's only within a certain ethnic minority group -, the situation's getting difficult. Just like there won't be peace in Afghanistan without at least considering the motives of Taliban supporters, you cannot completly ignore the views of those Albanians in Presevo who sympathize with the UCK. "
(Fikret, 21 January 2013 10:40)

Yes, you cannot ignore them, and you should talk and negotiate, but a state cannot tolerate overstepping a certain level of terrorism or obvious provocations. I wonder if, for example, it would be possible in the Basque inhabited areas of Spain to erect a monument glorifying separatist ETA fighters who killed Spanish policemen or have blown up Spanish government buildings with bombs.

They can protest, this is according to the Law. Monument was not, so nothing will be changed. So, dear compatriots, weather is nice, go for a walk.

Peggy, I don't need to. I dont store B92 posts. There's a few old timers here. We all remember. You have also proved to be hypocritical on many occasions. Showing that this is something you are capable of. There's Serbs here that I don't agree with 99% of the time, but they didn't have to hide their identity, be hypocritical or outright xenophobes. They are few and rare but these pink elephants do exist. You ain't one of them. You are all about PR, not about logical arguments. I don't agree with the arguments of most Serbs but at least there's some logic behind them. At least I see where they are coming from. You are a totally different type. You are about noise, mud-slinging, dehumanizing, about lynching of a whole ethnicity, about mob mentality. You are the stereotypical extreme right ultranationalist- at least when it comes to your attitude about Albanians. You are the same as what you've been calling us all this year, as what you've tried to portray us. Same exact mirror image. You may have a totally different opinion about this and you may be different but your posts here on B92 paint the picture above. Generalize a little less and let things go a little more. You come across as an angry person all the time. Realize that nobody appointed you as the almighty defender of all Serbs. Nobody appointed me either, which is why I post here only when things get really boring even if my people are offended daily. I'm not their mouthpiece. You try very hard to be.

He isn't telling Albanians in the South not to protest. They can protest all they want. He is just saying that their protests are unfounded. And he's right because in that case Serbia did everything by the book. It gave the Albanians a deadline for them to remove the so-called memorial by themselves. When the deadline expired Serbia acted in a very careful and responsible manner. They didn't blow up or destroy the memorial. They simply relocated it and in doing that they didn't provoke any reaction by the local Albanians who did not defend the memorial with their bodies as some albanian commentators in here were claiming. Now if the Presevo Albanians want to begin a new round of guerilla activities against the serbian state they can go ahead but this time they should know that NATO won't come to rescue them nor will it be their aviation.

You forgot Peggy. For years she claimed she wasn't a Serb or connected in any way to Serbs. Then she started talking about " our Kosovo". Watch her deny it.
(j, 21 January 2013 17:00)
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Of course I deny it. I have never, ever said that I wasn't Serbian.
I challenge you to find one shread of evidence of your claims.

Go ahead and produce anything that says any different to what I just said.
If you cannot discredig a person you pile lies on hoping someone will buy the cr@p you're selling.

Peggy, I don't need to. I dont store B92 posts. There's a few old timers here. We all remember.
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J, Yes you do need to. You made a bold statement now it's time to back it up or take it back.
Think of me whatever you want. I don're care about all the accusations you have just thrown at me but when you make a statement like I pretended not to be Serbian you have to back that up.

Now either back it up or take it back.
Unless you can back it up you deserve to be called a liar.
I am fed up with you Albanians twisting my words or lying outright about me.

So you long list of my "faults" is not going to cut it.

It is the right of the people to protest if they feel unhappy with the governments actions.Governments have to guarantee and protect its people and if people feel unprotected then they have the right to protest.Serbia is just worrying that the story has got its international attention. Common serbia you can do more then just that...

Hi everyone there in Serbia.

I just was wondering to ask Dacic why his political way not changed since milosevic went in huge I do not understand these people why they not changing their political way to be clever to be democrats. Serbia want to join Europe and how can join EU when they are racist. England team was for a match in Serbia couples months ago and they attack them. Why you are not being quiet people we know you lost every war because god not help you.

I met people from Serbia and Kosovo too they Re very good they think all different not as Dacic want to have destabilisation in Balckan come on Serbia political hange your attitude be good and make your people to be proud that living in Serbia no ones want to live there just because of bad political environment. Albanians have they right to have monument or whatever they want. Is not a big deal. We have in london lots of monuments bad that not related. Try you change your political way I think enough people Re fed up with you milosevic party.

Thank you from United Kingdom.

It is quite obvious that this monument was erected to elicit a response from Serbian authorities, and then attempt to "internationalize" the Serbian response. There is an endless effort by Albanians to draw the Presevo Valley into the Kosovo independence mix. This monument had nothing to do with honoring the Albanian "freedom fighters" of Presevo. If it was a true memorial, it would have been placed initially in a more appropriate place, like the courtyard of a mosque, Islamic cultural center, etc., and not in the middle of the city center, where non-resident would find its presence disturbing. Unfortunately, the reactions from the international community was not what the Albanians wanted, and are now trying hard to save face, and prolong their failed attempt. The monument was not destroyed, it can still be placed in a location where all sides see fit. Too much effort is spent on separating this part of the Balkans, as opposed to working together to find solutions.

Fighting against the terrorist forces of a dictator like Milosevic is the purest act of freedom. Albanians brought down your dictator. Be thankful.

-- Also what's good for the gander is good for the goose. Same rights for N. Mitro Serbs as for Presheva Valley Albanians. Anyone who appreciates human rights appreciates this.

"There will be no negotiations with terrorists - that's what we've learned from the West."

Unfortunately things aren't that easy. Once "terrorists" have strong backing by the citizens of a country - even if it's only within a certain ethnic minority group -, the situation's getting difficult. Just like there won't be peace in Afghanistan without at least considering the motives of Taliban supporters, you cannot completly ignore the views of those Albanians in Presevo who sympathize with the UCK.

Having said that, I would like to point out I'm neither a supporter of the Taliban nor of the UCK. Also, I've always thought the monument in Presevo's unnecessary provocation.

Sorry team Albania, but Serbia and its government played this one by the book! And we both know that if you dont you will be told to put up and shut up by Washington and the rest. You can threat as much as you want either in Serbia and Kosovo but they eyes of they world are watching you! As are the eyes of a certain Mr Putin and with South Stream to be built in Serbia, and do you think he will allow rival factors threaten or jeopardize that?! Remember when Georgia and even Chechnya thought they had outside backing...?! Putin and Medvedev gave them the biggest slap ever!!! Tide is turning and time & truth are on Serbias side... Enjoy your prison state South of the Ibar River!!

Ziveli!

Winsotn

You should rather look for your own grammar first before you judge mine:)
Well what im reffering to is that all ethnicities should have the right to govern and decide on its own right?If the albanian population is part of serbia then i think they are beeing threatened by the government and the rights are not being guaranteed by the government. their rights of posting a monument anywhere they want to or for just protesting against the situation in the region.Serbia is asking so much from Kosovo for their own people where Kosovo I think does guarantee them those rights..I mean the south is the poorest region in serbia and the government hasnt done much to change that instead it has isolated the region. As long as there are no jobs and no economic development in the region the serbian government is going to face difficulties because the unemployement will connect >Tirana,Pristina,Skopje,Presevo more with each other, it will strenghten them.

Thank you from United Kingdom.
(John, 21 January 2013 13:26)

wtff, read this fools statement he is playing off to be an Englishmen but cannot even properly construct a single sentence in English. Why do the Albanians on here always do this? Willi pfaff, Hans, Brian and now this "john".

The Serbian government is really going out of it's way to preserve the monument. My bet is that this government will re-erect it later.

met people from Serbia and Kosovo too they Re very good they think all different not as Dacic want to have destabilisation in Balckan come on Serbia political hange your attitude be good and make your people to be proud that living in Serbia no ones want to live there just because of bad political environment. Albanians have they right to have monument or whatever they want. Is not a big deal. We have in london lots of monuments bad that not related. Try you change your political way I think enough people Re fed up with you milosevic party.

Thank you from United Kingdom.
(John, 21 January 2013 13:26)

So you have monuments of Bin Ladin or other terrorists in London?I sure as hell would like to see them. They have no right at all to put up monuments over terrorists that killed serb police officers IN SERBIA!How logical is that, you kill a police officer and then u expect u can have amonument in the very same country?

BTW, United Kingdom:

http://ukinmontserrat.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=News&id=851669582

"It is regrettable that the Government should have removed the monument unilaterally without engaging in further negotiations when a mutually acceptable resolution seemed close."

Serbs always talk about a "mutually acceptable resolutions" but they don't know what it means. It has no meaning to them when it applies to Presheva, and logically it should have no meaning when it applies to Kosova.

John fron the UK, I can see that you are a pure Brit. In any case, Serbia did exactly what it should have done with the monument in Presevo. It did not destry it, but simply took it away until Albanian leaders in Presevo decide where they want to put it. It cannot be placed in the center of the city, as there are non-Albanian residents there that find the monument quite disturbing. BTW, it (the monument) was erected without permission from the State, why was that part avoided? There are several different ethnicities living in the Presevo Valley, not just Albanians, so ALL ethnicities must be respected. Put the monument in a place where Albanians congregate, a courtyard in a mosque, and Islamic cultural center, etc., but not in the center of the city. I have a strong suspicion that this monument was meant to provoke Serbian authorities, and now Albanians are crying bloody murder that their rights have been violated - by the script. Milosevic would probably have blown Presevo up, if a monument to the KLA was put up, so no, Dacic is not behaving like him. He has acted a purely reasonable and democratic way, respecting Serbia's laws. and the will of the majority - the Serbs in Serbia.

He isn't telling Albanians in the South not to protest. They can protest all they want. He is just saying that their protests are unfounded. And he's right because in that case Serbia did everything by the book. It gave the Albanians a deadline for them to remove the so-called memorial by themselves. When the deadline expired Serbia acted in a very careful and responsible manner. They didn't blow up or destroy the memorial. They simply relocated it and in doing that they didn't provoke any reaction by the local Albanians who did not defend the memorial with their bodies as some albanian commentators in here were claiming. Now if the Presevo Albanians want to begin a new round of guerilla activities against the serbian state they can go ahead but this time they should know that NATO won't come to rescue them nor will it be their aviation.

@Ivica

Who are you to decide whether Albanians should protest or not? You started the domino effect, and now live with it.
But, make sure that plaque is intact and put it back where it was. I know you will, since US&EU gives you orders when they deem necessary.

Common serbia you can do more then just that... John Hopkins University student
Boy, do they teach grammar at John Hopkins? In any case, I am not quite sure what protection "the people" are seeking from their Serbian government, and where? Are you talking about Kosovo or Presevo? I also do not see how these people are threatened, asides from the individual crimes Serb and Albanian citizens commit against each other. What do you propose the Serbian government do? Serbian authority has been pretty much been stripped away in Kosovo, and I do not see Albanians being attacked by anyone in Presevo so please explain. If you are referring to the monument incident, I believe it has been solved. It's just a matter of finding it a new home, one that is more appropriate for all the citizens of Presevo.

wtff, read this fools statement he is playing off to be an Englishmen but cannot even properly construct a single sentence in English. Why do the Albanians on here always do this? Willi pfaff, Hans, Brian and now this "john".
(Ari Gold, 21 January 2013 15:16)

You forgot Peggy. For years she claimed she wasn't a Serb or connected in any way to Serbs. Then she started talking about " our Kosovo". Watch her deny it.

"Unfortunately things aren't that easy. Once "terrorists" have strong backing by the citizens of a country - even if it's only within a certain ethnic minority group -, the situation's getting difficult. Just like there won't be peace in Afghanistan without at least considering the motives of Taliban supporters, you cannot completly ignore the views of those Albanians in Presevo who sympathize with the UCK. "
(Fikret, 21 January 2013 10:40)

Yes, you cannot ignore them, and you should talk and negotiate, but a state cannot tolerate overstepping a certain level of terrorism or obvious provocations. I wonder if, for example, it would be possible in the Basque inhabited areas of Spain to erect a monument glorifying separatist ETA fighters who killed Spanish policemen or have blown up Spanish government buildings with bombs.

Are you really telling albanians not to protest, you must be kidding!? You are promoting Serbia as a democratic country, which is a joke in it self alone, then at least let the people protest, they are doing it peacefully. Its not like the Albanians are putting upp barricades or any of that sort, and they sure as hell did not use a sniper hiding from far away and murder any of your finest like the serbs did in north ks, there wasnt even an attempt.

You also keep mentioning law, what a farce your are. You do not have a law that prohibits albanians from putting memorials, or maybe you do after all its Serbia we are talking about. You taking it down means in legal terms oppression of minorities, law is guided by principles and paragraphs not by feelings.

And you did not use any force you say huh, well i dont know what movie you saw but the movie i saw you had about 100 of you finest warriors all ready to turn hell upside down.What would have happened if the albanians would have behaved like the serbs are behaving in north ks, oo i see it would not have ended in a pleasent manner, at lest not for albanians.

Kosovars you need to instantly end all and any attempt af destroying anything that is affiliated with serbs. Simply do not even go near it, just treat it like a pice of sh*t and dont touch it. Why you are giving them the satisfaction is beyond my understanding. If you want to complain go to Thaci he is the one who is letting us down.

They can protest, this is according to the Law. Monument was not, so nothing will be changed. So, dear compatriots, weather is nice, go for a walk.

You forgot Peggy. For years she claimed she wasn't a Serb or connected in any way to Serbs. Then she started talking about " our Kosovo". Watch her deny it.
(j, 21 January 2013 17:00)
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Of course I deny it. I have never, ever said that I wasn't Serbian.
I challenge you to find one shread of evidence of your claims.

Go ahead and produce anything that says any different to what I just said.
If you cannot discredig a person you pile lies on hoping someone will buy the cr@p you're selling.

@ Questioner: While I don't agree with the UCKs violent methods at all, I must admit the situation in Presevo back in 2000/2001 was indeed intolerable for Albanians. Please let's not forget this.

Peggy, I don't need to. I dont store B92 posts. There's a few old timers here. We all remember. You have also proved to be hypocritical on many occasions. Showing that this is something you are capable of. There's Serbs here that I don't agree with 99% of the time, but they didn't have to hide their identity, be hypocritical or outright xenophobes. They are few and rare but these pink elephants do exist. You ain't one of them. You are all about PR, not about logical arguments. I don't agree with the arguments of most Serbs but at least there's some logic behind them. At least I see where they are coming from. You are a totally different type. You are about noise, mud-slinging, dehumanizing, about lynching of a whole ethnicity, about mob mentality. You are the stereotypical extreme right ultranationalist- at least when it comes to your attitude about Albanians. You are the same as what you've been calling us all this year, as what you've tried to portray us. Same exact mirror image. You may have a totally different opinion about this and you may be different but your posts here on B92 paint the picture above. Generalize a little less and let things go a little more. You come across as an angry person all the time. Realize that nobody appointed you as the almighty defender of all Serbs. Nobody appointed me either, which is why I post here only when things get really boring even if my people are offended daily. I'm not their mouthpiece. You try very hard to be.

Peggy, I don't need to. I dont store B92 posts. There's a few old timers here. We all remember.
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J, Yes you do need to. You made a bold statement now it's time to back it up or take it back.
Think of me whatever you want. I don're care about all the accusations you have just thrown at me but when you make a statement like I pretended not to be Serbian you have to back that up.

Now either back it up or take it back.
Unless you can back it up you deserve to be called a liar.
I am fed up with you Albanians twisting my words or lying outright about me.

So you long list of my "faults" is not going to cut it.