Serb cemeteries, memorials desecrated in Kosovo

Tolerance and rule of law Albanian style.

Albanians demonstrating the only thing they are good at. Destroying churches, desecrating graves and terrorism. Let the world see it.

Now guess what prevents international investment? It's the uncertain situation caused by Serbia's irrational unwillingness to at least agree to a de facto recognition. The idea that this will eventually lead to a reunification's nothing but ridiculous. In fact the exact opposite is true.
(Fikret, 21 January 2013 10:53)
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Let's see you rationalise it the same way with RS.

Kosovo is Serbian land so why should the Serbs recognise anything and let go?

Go ahead albs. Continue to terrorize. Show also to the world the kind of criminals we serbs have always known you were.

I find it amazing how a bunch of Albanian terrorists can threaten the stability of the Balkans and its overwhelming Christian Orthodox populations.Have the Christians lost their balls?Is it about time to put a stop on the actions of these islamofascists?

Well now serbs in Kosovo have to pay a high price because of Dacic's decision to remove a monument in Preševo. Whenever people like Miloševic or Dacič are in power the serbs in Kosovo pay a high price.
You removed their monument now expect them to remove yours. Sad but true.
(Montenegrin, 21 January 2013 13:45)

This has nothing to do with Dacic, they have been destroying and burning churches and monesterys for more than a decade. Only savages dont see the difference between a monument over terrorist and a church or a monestery.

Albanians are like spoiled children who throw tantrums when they don't get their way. They need to grow up.

Cowards who attack the dead.

Fikret, what do you consider the meetings between Thaci, Dacic, and the EU in Brussels to be all about? Recognition means nothing if there is no agreement between the two sides, Albanians and Serbs. Albanians, especially on this site, only see recognition as some cure all, it's not. Serbia has stated many times it will not openly acknowledge an independent Albanian State in Kosovo, so let's move on. Peace and agreement, is what will bring money and investments into Kosovo. If people stop the shootings, bombing, beatings, desecrations of cemeteries, and disputes, investors may think twice. What good is recognition, if these barbaric acts continue? Would you invest your money in a place where armed soldiers had to keep waring factions apart? Recognition won't change matters, but agreement and reconciliation will.

This is the most idiotic thing that has happened and done by my people in this decade..... I personally apologize in the name of Albanians to all Serbs for this, it should have never happened, and we have to make sure it never happens again. This is stupid beyond imagination.

Serbs in Kosovo should take arms and defend themselves, their cultural buildings, and cemeteries ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

This has been going on for longer than a few days. You sick terrorists just needed something to justify another pogrom.

What a sick people albans are. Too bad stone can't hit back.

Typical, I called this yesterday. Only a lunatic would compare respectfully removing a monument to terrorists to destroying holy sites (which are by the way the oldest buildings standing on Kosovo i Metohija).

Those Churches upset the Muslim Albanians more than anything. Because you can ethnically cleanse people but you would have to demolish those monuments and Churches in order to truly erase who's nation was on this territory first.

I was expecting murders and rapes, so maybe the Albanians are saving that for another time. Ian, Ian come out come out wherever you are ;)

Meanwhile, 27 tombstones were destroyed in a Serb cemetery in Klokot. The Serbian Government Office for Kosovo and Metohija urged the international community representatives in Kosovo to find the "vandals" behind the incident as soon as possible.
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Didn't KPS already find him and he is in custody?

Well now serbs in Kosovo have to pay a high price because of Dacic's decision to remove a monument in Preševo. Whenever people like Miloševic or Dacič are in power the serbs in Kosovo pay a high price.
You removed their monument now expect them to remove yours. Sad but true.

It likes to get involved in politics, which shouldn't be the case.
(newsreader, 21 January 2013 16:01)

What are they supposed to do? Lay down for your KLA Islamists with arrows pointing to their body organs and throats saying: Cut here?
This is another black eye for the KLA Islamo-Fascist-narco-terrorists, and sadly and unfortunately for all of Albanians. Are you aware of what your partners have done so far to the Christians in Syria and North Africa? I am.

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)

There is no justification whatsoever for the desecration of gravestones no matter what the perceived reason/grievance is. This act should be condemned outright by all parties. No excuses.

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)

Vengeance for what Ian? How can you justify this as vengeance? Do you know that those Kosovan Albanian terrorist damaged memorial of children from Gorazdevac killed in 2003? Those same terrorist who killed those children, have shot at their monument last night! And you call that vengeance? Monument in Presevo was terrorist monument which was respectfully removed without being damaged. Why don't you lobby to have a monument in Yorkshire of IRA freedom fighters killed by British army? Would that be allowed? You are not stranger to hypocrisy Ian and definitely born out of wedlock.

One memorial (that was for the dead who fought against Serbia) was peacefully removed. Scores of Serbian graves (of innocent dead) are destroyed in retaliation.

Albanian logic.

"I said it will backfire."

Pejoni

You desecrate a cemetary because serbs removed the terrorist monument in Presevo! So, what was the excuse all the other 100 times before this one when albanian desecrated serbian graveyards or a church? The way I see it, serbs might as well remove albanian monuments of terror because albanians will desecrate serbian churches and graveyards either way.

"Kosovo is Serbian land"

Maybe this is true at some "serbian night" in some dreary pub on a Thursday night in the outskirts of some Australian metropolis.

On the ground in Kosovo... not so much
(Danilo, 21 January 2013 13:01)

Kosovo i Metohija is under occupation but it is still Serbian nonetheless. You can steal something of mine but it doesn't make it yours. You are just holding onto it until justice catches up which it always does.

I said it will backfire.
(Pejoni, 21 January 2013 14:41)
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Don't worry, we know all about Albanians and their respective "sports". The "kosova"* Open has started. First up are the unemployed youths encouraged by the diaspora keyboard warriors. Let the world see what Albanians and their supporters are made of... but you're not even making world news so this will fizzle out in a day or two. LOL!

Pristina must pay compensation and put right any damage to Serbian Churches and Cemetrys in Kosovo.

It is their duty.

"Two wrongs dont make a right, but you attacked what was holy to us, and unfortuneatly some couldnt control themselfs to not to the same, so they tried to destroy whats holy to you, and a terroristbastion to us. "
(Prekaz, Drenica., 21 January 2013 15:48)

You really want to compare ancient churches and monasteries (some of them are UN cultural heritage) with this monument?

it's true as another poster points out (and as we have in the past)- serbia's aggressive position keeps any meaningful development or international investment from happening in Kosova or Bosnia for that matter. that's part of their strategy.

time to think about secession fr serbia.
(roberto, 21 January 2013 18:05)

Congratulations roberto. Once again you've managed to miss the entire point of the article you blabbered on about. Instead of simply condemning another act of vandalism perpetuated by your favorite people who seem to be completely incapable of providing the peace and tolerance you claim to want, you manage to once again make Serbs the responsible culprits. Tell me, do you blame rape victims for being too sexy? I really don't know why you decided to come back here after finding a more sympathetic audience on albaniapress.com complaining about how much you're mistreated on B92 but it's nice to know you haven't lost a gram of your stupidity.

"Told you yesterday. It won't take long. Stop complaining Serbs. It only will make me laugh."

Avni

Nobody is complaining. This is not the first time you desecrate a church or a graveyard. The removal of the devils monument yesterday is just an excuse you albanians use. If serbs wouldn't remove it you would have found another reason to desecrate churches and graveyards. I mean what's your excuse for burning and desecrating hundreds of graveyards and monasteries up until now? You are just an evil people, that's should be your excuse. Keep terrorising, the world will see you the way we serbs have always seen you. You are simple a primitive and backward people.

"Kosovo is Serbian land"

Maybe this is true at some "serbian night" in some dreary pub on a Thursday night in the outskirts of some Australian metropolis.

On the ground in Kosovo... not so much

Aww what's wrong Serbs. You sad and mad. Thank Dacic for these.
(Eric, 21 January 2013 17:38)

The only one sad and mad seems to be you:

We albanian we never let Serbia get in the EU, it's time to burn the Serbian embassy in Tirana
(Eric, 20 January 2013 18:06)

It's your immature culture, not mine.

It was vandalism, and filthy as well. Those people are trying to rest in peace, but again.. that just like the monument. Its there to remember people, who lived fought and died for their peace.

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Did you seriously just say that?
Think for a second. Whose names are on that monument and who lies in those graves?
Are you saying that people in those graves are fighters who killed your innocent?

I am guessing that any Serb to you is a terrorist and guilty of killing your people. You are not only delusional but pathetic as well.

On the ground in Kosovo... not so much
(Danilo, 21 January 2013 13:01)

Also, its funny how you decide to let us know you think Kosovo i Metohija is not Serbian land but you have nothing to comment on the savage Islamic terrorists for their actions yesterday. You seem to reserve no criticisms for Albanians.

The verdict is still out on you, you are either a Hrvat or a self-hating Serb. The Jews have lots of those too.

I said it will backfire.
(Pejoni, 21 January 2013 14:41)

Yep, thanks for once again affirming the cultural stereotypes Europe's youngest democrats are known for.

@Montenegrin, But dear "Montenegrin", it seems you mix-up things and meanings.Your government wanted also to destroy Serbian church for "estethic reason". The point is that you think you can appropriate things that belong to Serba, that you can build monuments in Serbia, but you wouldn't let the others do what you do. I think Albanians could raise a monument to their fallen UCPBM fellows in Podgorica or on Lovcen three times bigger than one in Preshevo, as there is an important majority of Albanians there You know, there is always the way to remember someone even if it is not at the spot where the event happened.

the decision to forcibly remove the monument to fighters against fascism was an ugly one and its execution predictably evil.

Fighters against fascism?They were terrorists that killed serb policemen IN THE HEART OF SERBIA. Do you think that the USA would let someone put up a monument over bin ladin next to ground zero? You always keep twisting the truth in order to make it fit ur sick behavior. How sick can someone be to put a bomb on a familys gravestone. Only albanians can do something like that.

Anybody see Ian?

"Only savages dont see the difference between a monument over terrorist and a church or a monestery."

Well, your church hasn't exactley shown itself to be a "holy place". The Serbian church was always a strong supporter of the crimes against the Albanian people. It likes to get involved in politics, which shouldn't be the case.

just roll in with the troops already What else are we waiting for

Bratya Serbi, s vas sme!

I said it will backfire.

I find it sad that people dont take perspective into consideration.

That memorial was maybe supporting terorrists to you, as they fought against Slobodans forces.(Are you supporters of Milosevic? Because the soldiers on that monument and the Albanians of Presheva fought against that Serbia, not todays Serbia.

To us, it is a sign of the high price paid for the liberty they have today(small but things have gone right to an extent).

To you the churches are a sacred place, to us, they are the base of serbian nationalism and radicalism, believe it or not, right or wrong.

Two wrongs dont make a right, but you attacked what was holy to us, and unfortuneatly some couldnt control themselfs to not to the same, so they tried to destroy whats holy to you, and a terroristbastion to us.


How about stop blaming eachother and see the whole picture, only light can brighten darkness. Only love will break this hatred. There are bigger issues in this world then serbia or kosovo.

We need to act as a planet, as one.
For gods sake..

(Prekaz, Drenica., 21 January 2013 15:48)

Except noone attacked what was holly to you. The monument, illegally raised on public land, was removed with care and respect only after the government gave a chance to the local authorities to do it themselves. I did not support the removal because I knew it's bound to cause great danger to Kosovo Serbs, but it doesn't justify it in any way. You try to escape the responsibility here and it's shameful. What happened today on Kosovo was vandalism and savagery. I can only commend the police for securing the monasteries thus far.

as for graveyards and the like, it is unforgivable, though you see it all thru europe (at least)and i've seen the condition of some of our cemeteries in serbia. not pretty...

You are nothing but a filthy liar, noone touches your cemeterys in Serbia and you know it, you have a cemetery in the northern Mitrovica that has never been touched while the serb cemetery is desecrated and cant even be recognized. By the way Roberto sounds very albanian, but on the other hand If I were you I would be ashamed too.

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)

So you compare desecrating graveyards with removing a monument over terrorists?Need I remind you that the monument wasn´t even torn apart but relocated?This was no vengeance at all, this happens on a daily basis in Kosovo and has happened for more than a decade. 2004 the decani church and sveta bogorodica were set on fire along with tens of monesterys throughout Kim and it has been going on ever since. Look up on youtube albanians burning serb church if you dont believe me but I guess the truth is not very interesting for a biased bastard like you. Cange your name to Ian, Tirana. It suits you better.

Last but not least, if you hate serbs so much. What the hell are you doing on a serb site?

You really want to compare the damage to buildings with the attempted genocide, destruction of whole cities, mass-killings, mass-rapings.. etc. committed by Serbian forces in 1990s? What happened nowadays is nothing compared in that decade of Serbian terror and this is reason for all the grievance. Not the other way round.
(John, 21 January 2013 18:57)
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Even if all that were true, how long are you going to keep taking it out on our dead, the kids and the elderly?
Wow, all the above I mentioned are in no way able to defend themselves so that makes you the biggest cowards around.
Cowards, cowards and more cowards. Is the anyone amongst you who isn't a coward and is actually going to go up to North and try to demolish one Serb grave?

Has the guy your KPS arrested for doing all this sort of damage been let out and he is running around doing it again?

In the US it is Martin Luther King Day. In Roberto's mind it is race guilt against Serbs day. Every Serb, even a dead serb or a serb building, must be punished after all Serbs don't take good care of their own cemeteries so why not destroy them? Don't like some of the things a religious leader said, that's all the justification necessary to tear down churches. Don't like a governments actions, secede from the country through war!

In times of war maniacs threaten to knock the enemy "Back into the stone age". In times of Peace maniacs knock their own movement into the stone age. Roberto is just the man to lead the racist separatists. You will be quite the success listening to him and the "YAY lets knock over a cemetery crowd."

Don't use your energy to fix some farmers fence, or build a road by hand. Instead, knock something old over. The more feelings you hurt the greater the success your country will be. Good for you. You are showing us exactly the kind of power you are capable of. You are showing us how your little apartheid state is going to look in ten years. We don't have to harm you to stop investments, you will do that for us. Why move forward, blame all your nasty problems on us and continue to live in squalor. Beg for recognition, beg for independence but don't actually do any work or pay taxes its all our fault, you should rest up for knocking things over.

Dacic has awakened a giant. Now dacic and all serbs who supported such thing will have to deal with the consequences on a daily basis. The next thing on the list will be Gazimestan. The very heart of Serbia.
God help you serbs.

You killed 10, 000 Albanians in the 90's and put them in mass graves under a parking lot in serbia! remember serbia! you think we forgot that?

"Maybe this is true at some "serbian night" in some dreary pub on a Thursday night in the outskirts of some Australian metropolis."

... not so much
(Danilo, 21 January 2013 13:01)

On the ground Arnaut(albo) every nigth demolish one Serbian cemetery.

Maybe Ian got lost frolicking in one them cemetery.

If reciprocity is the fair word of the day, then do it at the same levels. The monument from Presevo that everyone is up-in-arms-about was moved away, undamaged, and can be relocated. The Serbian government specifically suggested relocating it to the courtyard of a mosque or some Alabanian national building, but not to be displayed at the city center because the city is a city in Serbia, and must follow in order with Serbian laws.
As such an equivalent reciprical action would not be to destroy Serbian monestaries, or statues, but to have such offesnsive statues relocated to the courtyards of monestaries, which will be protected (and finally left untouched as a matter of social principle) as are Albanian houses of worship within Serbia.
Sanity needs to be brought back to these people, all of them, and trying to outdo the other guy is not sane, but reflecting behaviours back is.

"Now guess what prevents international investment? It's the uncertain situation caused by Serbia's irrational unwillingness to at least agree to a de facto recognition. "
(Fikret, 21 January 2013 10:53)

No, investments are prevented by the unstable situation, caused by irrational politicians in Kosovo who don't care for improving the situation. Second, because the corruption which makes Kosovo one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. Third, because the extremist political parties. Forth the clan structure which prohibits a democratic development. Last but not least by the lack of infrastructure and educated workforce.

However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)
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Sounds like you are justifying it with this line.

Are you? Do you condemn it unequivocally? There is always a but when anyone from Albanian side even tries to say how they don't like this or that.
So Ian, do you condemn it without a but or not?

not true at all.... why you media are doing thissss??????

I find it sad that people dont take perspective into consideration.

That memorial was maybe supporting terorrists to you, as they fought against Slobodans forces.(Are you supporters of Milosevic? Because the soldiers on that monument and the Albanians of Presheva fought against that Serbia, not todays Serbia.

To us, it is a sign of the high price paid for the liberty they have today(small but things have gone right to an extent).

To you the churches are a sacred place, to us, they are the base of serbian nationalism and radicalism, believe it or not, right or wrong.

Two wrongs dont make a right, but you attacked what was holy to us, and unfortuneatly some couldnt control themselfs to not to the same, so they tried to destroy whats holy to you, and a terroristbastion to us.


How about stop blaming eachother and see the whole picture, only light can brighten darkness. Only love will break this hatred. There are bigger issues in this world then serbia or kosovo.

We need to act as a planet, as one.
For gods sake..
(Prekaz, Drenica., 21 January 2013 15:48)

Amen my brother. Couldn't have said it better.

You really want to compare ancient churches and monasteries (some of them are UN cultural heritage) with this monument?
(Questioner, 21 January 2013 16:55)

You really want to compare the damage to buildings with the attempted genocide, destruction of whole cities, mass-killings, mass-rapings.. etc. committed by Serbian forces in 1990s? What happened nowadays is nothing compared in that decade of Serbian terror and this is reason for all the grievance. Not the other way round.

Didn't KPS already find him and he is in custody?
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 10:11)

Apparently there's more Ashkali out there.

Albanians,
Are any of you aware of how Serbians are treated in Albania????[link]
(trizo, 22 January 2013 08:15)

I am glad you raised this. This was strongly kept secret. No any right what so ever since King Zogu and it was just continued by Enver Hoxha regime. The Serbian names have been Albanised, not any right for their own language. Albanians under Milosevic in Kosovo had more rights than Serbs ever had in in Albania under any regime. Long kept secret and even prohibited to talk about that.

Even if all that were true,...
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 21:11)

Execute an update. You are on 1989 or 1389.

Problem is that Serbia never stop waging war on Albanians. Only the means changed and what we have now is the result. When Serbia stops, then the result will come after. Not a second earlier.

Kosova, as per usual you seem to remember fabrication and ignore facts. Your 10,000 figure has been discredited by actual international observers. The internationally accepted number is less than 10,000 souls from all sides. The ratio was near 60-40, so you can look up real numbers or keep trying to promote your propaganda lies. However perpetrators of untruths are quickly dismissed as uninformed and become irrelevant, even when you decide to finally speak the truth. It's the chicken and falling sky fable. Look up Aesop and you'll see.

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.

Aww what's wrong Serbs. You sad and mad. Thank Dacic for these.

So you compare desecrating graveyards with removing a monument over terrorists?Need I remind you that the monument wasn´t even torn apart but relocated?This was no vengeance at all, this happens on a daily basis in Kosovo and has happened for more than a decade. 2004 the decani church and sveta bogorodica were set on fire along with tens of monesterys throughout Kim and it has been going on ever since. Look up on youtube albanians burning serb church if you dont believe me but I guess the truth is not very interesting for a biased bastard like you. Cange your name to Ian, Tirana. It suits you better.

Last but not least, if you hate serbs so much. What the hell are you doing on a serb site?
(Daniel, 21 January 2013 19:43)

When did I make comparisons? I never compared "desecrating graveyards with removing a monument over terrorists", but please be my guest and a prove me wrong using quotes.
What actually I said was "I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday". I never said that I consider it to be vengeance, I said that they consider it to be vengeance.

I do not deny that many Serbian Monasteries were destroyed in 2004. However I do not deny that almost half of the Mosques in Kosovo were destroyed/ damaged in the 1990's either.

I was born inside wedlock therefore I'm not a "bastard".

I don't live in Tirana, nor have I ever been there and I don't see myself going there.

I don't hate Serbs, I just disagree with Serbia on some political issues.

I promise you that I will never stop calling you albanians terrorists. Now its more waranted then ever to call you by your middle name. In a period of peac you albanians have expelled thousands of serbs, you have desecrated our graveyards and burned our churches and monasteries. I will continue to call you TERRORISTS because that is what you are. There is a reason everyone hates albanians and don't want anything to do with you. There are albanians that are different but to bad they are so few. Kosovo is like a freakin zoo. You don't know which animal is worse.

@ Winston: Obviously we have two different views. I regard violence and vandalism as the result of poverty. You regard poverty as the result of violence and vandalism.

In addition, please also keep one other thing in mind: The Albanian parts of Kosovo are very peaceful for most international travelers and international companies. To my best knowledge, there has never been any violence against western travelers or western companies. Sporadic attacks against Serbs are certainly comdemnable, but they definetly don't prevent international companies from investing. However, the unclear status of Kosovo certainly does.

Their media is just so reliable and predictable, day after day... as the stomach turns.

anyway, this idea of tit for tat, it was exactly the topic of conversation i had with my pals yesterday. it was also utterly predictable. while i despise what their "church" has done, and stands for (blessing their war crimes has been their specialty), i remain totally opposed to physically attacking churches and other holy places.

Of course criticizing them in an intelligent way is our obligation; they are hardly above the fray.

as for graveyards and the like, it is unforgivable, though you see it all thru europe (at least)and i've seen the condition of some of our cemeteries in serbia. not pretty...

the decision to forcibly remove the monument to fighters against fascism was an ugly one and its execution predictably evil. the international context was same ole, same old: the west was silent, claiming it was an "internal" decision for serbia. Internal decision for serbia! that's exactly the story of slobodan milosevic and the genocides unleashed from belgrade. "internal" matters. then the west appeared surprised: "Oh, well, we thought a compromise..." so the west, once again, bears some responsibility.

it's true as another poster points out (and as we have in the past)- serbia's aggressive position keeps any meaningful development or international investment from happening in Kosova or Bosnia for that matter. that's part of their strategy.

time to think about secession fr serbia.

First of all what you wrote above is total BS. I have been in Vrake, you haven't.
Second- you will have my support to do all of the above the minute you see an Albanian tank in the villages. As a matter of fact I will enlist and join you.
Third- You have to convince them they are Serbs. They identify themselves as Monenegrins.
Fourth- Our strength with our minorities is that we see the use of our army towards them as a sign of weakness. We let them be. You do the opposite. You use the army to oppress and persecute.
(J, 22 January 2013 15:23)

Have a look mate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz8uHGN6nUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmMyHgkfnU

Do they identify themselves as Montenegrins? No need for tanks in villages, they have been prosecuted since 1936 and scared to death. Their names have been changed, no right to speak Serbian language. They had much less rights then Albanians under Milosevic. They have been completely assimilated into Albania. I remember in Yugoslavia it was everyday in afternoon "Lajmet" even though I lived in Belgrade. When did they have in Albania news in Serbian language? Never!

Told you yesterday. It won't take long. Stop complaining Serbs. It only will make me laugh.

You really want to compare ancient churches and monasteries (some of them are UN cultural heritage) with this monument?
(Questioner, 21 January 2013 16:55)

Again my friend, this is a matter of perspective. To them the monument was more valueable then the church they tried to attack, as it meant as much to you as the monument to albanians.

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Except noone attacked what was holly to you. The monument, illegally raised on public land, was removed with care and respect only after the government gave a chance to the local authorities to do it themselves. I did not support the removal because I knew it's bound to cause great danger to Kosovo Serbs, but it doesn't justify it in any way. You try to escape the responsibility here and it's shameful. What happened today on Kosovo was vandalism and savagery. I can only commend the police for securing the monasteries thus far.
(M, 21 January 2013 17:58)

I dont think you're in a situation where you can state what matters to Albanians. As we're not religious but patriotic the monument meant alot, just as your churches do. Its just that simple, and overthinking this matter will only create more questions and divide us further.

It was vandalism, and filthy as well. Those people are trying to rest in peace, but again.. that just like the monument. Its there to remember people, who lived fought and died for their peace.

Do not forget that what you consider terrorist, other consider freedomfighters - and the other way around.

P&Love

You are the one that think all Albanians are terrorists. You seem to get amnesia all of sudden.
(Ardi Asllani, 22 January 2013 08:36)
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Who then is destroying Serbian cemeteries then? Who has destroyed Serbian churches and monasteries? Who kills Serbian children and elderly?
A terrorist does and a terrorist harbours and aids another terrorist.

If it quacks like a duck........

While I clearly condemn any form of violence, here's one thought: In my opinion vandalism and attacks are at least partly connected to the economic situation in Kosovo. People who work and who see chances for making a satisfactory living are less likely to be involved in acts of violence.

Reality's a vast number of people in Kosovo are unemployed. Even worse, Kosovo's current economy very much depends on KFOR, EULEX, emigrants & crime.

Now guess what prevents international investment? It's the uncertain situation caused by Serbia's irrational unwillingness to at least agree to a de facto recognition. The idea that this will eventually lead to a reunification's nothing but ridiculous. In fact the exact opposite is true.

"Let's see you rationalise it the same way with RS."

There's one major difference: The RS - and also the Federation - are relatively new artifical constructs which resulted from prior ethnic cleansing.

"Kosovo is Serbian land so why should the Serbs recognise anything and let go?"

Please also note that I spoke of de facto recognition. That's not the same as official recognition.

Apart from that, with the exception of the north and some small enclaves in the south, Kosovo's Albanian and has been for an extremely long period of time. Refering to medieval times is not a very rational argument, particularly since the modern concept of nationhood was unknown at that time.

Now without any doubt, minority rights for those Serbs in the southern enclaves must be improved. As far as the north is concerned, I'm not generally against a land swap (Presevo Mitrovica). The only thing I'd be afraid of would conseqeuntly be a new land claim elsewhere, for example in Macedonia or Montenegro.

"Only savages dont see the difference between a monument over terrorist and a church or a monestery."

Well, your church hasn't exactley shown itself to be a "holy place". The Serbian church was always a strong supporter of the crimes against the Albanian people. It likes to get involved in politics, which shouldn't be the case.
(newsreader, 21 January 2013 16:01)

So you can get involved in politics but the Church cant?

"decani church and sveta bogorodica were set on fire along "

Slight correction: Decani monastery wasn't set on fire; a rocket was fired on it, damaging the outer wall.

Tolerance and rule of law Albanian style.
(sj, 21 January 2013 10:44)

Even though these acts should be condemned and the perpetrators punished as Kosovo's government stated, the problem is that Kosovo is Serbia and therefore the perpetrators are trying to follow Serbia's lead in regards to tolerance and the rule of law http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=01&dd=20&nav_id=84243 about

Albanians,
Are any of you aware of how Serbians are treated in Albania????http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Albania

Should we start launching attacks against the Albanian government, kill your police and soldiers, and then not only call them "heroes" but also build a memorial for them and plant it in an Albanian village.

Then we should say they died fighting for their rights in Albania? We cannot have our Serbian names, we cannot practice our religion openly, we cannot speak our language...are you all on drugs here and only care about yourselves??? In Presevo you guys do basically everything that is not Serbian... You practice your religion freely in your Mosques, you only speak in Albanian, and you're free to keep your god given names.. BUT you argue about your rights?

Please I am really interested to hear an honest Albanian who can handle the truth and be realistic about what I have said.

These people- Arbanasi had no land,no historical monument not a word written ,not one document on their history until the very end of XIXth century when the Austrians built their alphabet .........it takes time to learn ,to grow when you only recently left your caves..........

Hi Ari!

To answer your question, I do think that bad things are bad.

I tend, however, to reserve comment on that which is ridiculous.

Hope that settles any confusion.

As for your problems with my identity, I really can't help you there.

I am guessing that any Serb to you is a terrorist and guilty of killing your people. You are not only delusional but pathetic as well.
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 22:42)

You are the one that think all Albanians are terrorists. You seem to get amnesia all of sudden.

I absolutely don't support this sort of things happening but then like someone here said that monument meant a lot to us Albanians cos we fought for our rights from the Serbian regime.

Eric by the way, did you return the watch to ex president Bush?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q__P1jqaGqg

In ottoman time (stories from my grandfather)
in Yugoslav times and the reason why Albanians where settled in the Balkans to meddle and divide Serbs in their own countries to make them easier to control (Turkish view point) Divide and conquer nonetheless it's still practiced by the great powers.

I have many more things to say about this but i will keep it to myself..

So you can get involved in politics but the Church cant?
(???, 21 January 2013 17:12)

Exactly. Churches, mosques, synagogues or any kind of religious affiliations should not be allowed to be involved in politics. They hold too powerfull of a grip on the uncultured masses to be allowed to use God and fear of eternal damnation for political pursuits.

The Serbian government moved the monument with seemingly every intention to place it somewhere else. Why would it have not been destroyed? The Serbian government was acting to preserve the monument because Serbs were going to blow it up. Serbian police arrested a lot of Serbs who were planning on destroying it. For Albanians then to destroy Serb graves and churches makes no sense in relation to revenge! Of course it's not revenge anyway because there has been a continuing war against Serbs by Albanians since 1998. Totally uninterrupted and almost promoted by NATO and the kps which is just the kla anyway.

(Real Illyrian, 21 January 2013 23:10)

When did I justify it as vengeance? I said that they see it as vengeance, not that I see it as vengeance. Big difference!

We already have loads of Murals dedicated to the IRA in the UK. And there are large Irish communities in Yorkshire (Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Huddersfield, Halifax ect) and if the Irish communities were to establish IRA murals in Irish areas, I don't suppose many people would mind as the IRA's cause (not tactics) were sympathised in the North of England due to 1 in 3 of us having at least one Irish grandparent. And we all know and accept how brutal the British army was in Northern Ireland. So I doubt there would be much objection to a mural honouring the IRA. It'd probably be treated similarly to the ones in Northern Ireland. People who object to them would establish their own. Would it be allowed? Well they already are. We have freedom of speech in the UK and we have political correctness which is out of control. So yes it would be allowed.

"Think for a second. Whose names are on that monument and who lies in those graves? "

(Peggy, 21 January 2013 22:42)

I'm positive this monument don't have name Gerrge Maniakes (1042)
Albo in Kosovo is only 200yr. those graves are older and do't have noting with Arnauts.

Maybe the only thing we can get a little bit of hope out of when hearing this is that every descration is one step closer to having the lid blown off the whole yugoslavia and kosovo conflict and the processes following it internationally and that so hopefully they are not useless sacrifices. It is unbelievable the kind of monsterous behavior taking place, it has completely shifted my view on humanity, i did not realise such barbaric acts was actually still possible today in europe under the nose of the EU, USA and all their so called peace keeping sherades.

We albanian we never let Serbia get in the EU, it's time to burn the Serbian embassy in Tirana
(Eric, 20 January 2013 18:06)

I am sure Bruxelles will ask for your opinion when it comes to Serbias eu status. In fact the poorest country in the world and the country with the highest unemployment rate is an important factor on the political world scene.

We already have loads of Murals dedicated to the IRA in the UK.
(Ian, UK, 22 January 2013 11:39)

Could you please name few? There are in N. Ireland but not in England. Or you still consider N. Ireland as UK?

Could you please name few? There are in N. Ireland but not in England. Or you still consider N. Ireland as UK?
(Mendosa, 22 January 2013 15:36)

Well as we speak Northern Ireland is still apart of the UK, I'm not saying it should be; I'm just saying it currently is. You just have to ask the recent flag protesters. In fact, I dare you to go Northern Ireland and tell the flag protesters that Northern Ireland isn't apart of the UK. It will be the last thing you ever say.

IRA murals in the UK but outside of Northern Ireland? Well there are a few in the Liverpool and Glasgow areas for certain.

Sounds like you are justifying it with this line.

Are you? Do you condemn it unequivocally? There is always a but when anyone from Albanian side even tries to say how they don't like this or that.
So Ian, do you condemn it without a but or not?
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 21:06)

I outright condemn it!

Not that I care what you think of me or how you interpret, twist and change what I say.

I tend to disregard anything which is preceded by the word "but" as nonsense, anything which succeeds the word "but" is what a person really thinks.

People should think things through properly instead of doing things on the spur of the moment and allowing themselves to be provoked. These stupid Kosovans have walked straight into Dacic's trap by responding aggressively to the removal of that stupid monument. This is what Dacic wanted, he wanted a hostile reaction as it gives him and his buddies diplomatic fuel. If they wanted to show their discontent to the removal of that stupid monument, then they should have done what those in Presevo did and protested peacefully. That way they wouldn't have ended up looking stupid in the media, which of course Serbian media has been quick to jump on the bandwagon and report.

Osce, 21 January 2013 23:39
Talk about your fables!, While the number has varied source by source the accepted international number is about 10,000. But never has there been a 'non-Serbian' source that has come close to a 60-40 split of victims if you are referring to Albanian-Serbian. So if you are going to criticize someone elses facts amke sure you have yours.

Kosova, as per usual you seem to remember fabrication and ignore facts. Your 10,000 figure has been discredited by actual international observers. The internationally accepted number is less than 10,000 souls from all sides
(Osce, 21 January 2013 23:39)

Ok, so what is this number smaller than 10000? 9999?... Wow, we should throw a party for this great achievement!

I am guessing that any Serb to you is a terrorist and guilty of killing your people. You are not only delusional but pathetic as well.
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 22:42)

That doesn't feel good does it. Well get used to it. You've been calling us that for decades. Some reciprocity is definitely warranted. When those two coconuts in Belgrade (Dacic and Nikolic) stop using the T word on us as a people we will stop lumping all the Serbs together.

(Simot, 22 January 2013 02:31)
Do you really believe what you wrote? This is a huge topic on a Serbian site, and in the Serbian press where embellishment of acts against Serbs is usually a rule and not the exception. It will be mentioned by some politicians and will be mentioned in Ban's report but do you think for a minute that it will ever be equated to the documented atrocities that Serbia has committed? You have pinned your hopes on making Albanians look like they deserved what you did to them, but that is never going to happen.
While the world may condemn these acts, they also know that it is also an act of retaliation for the past and the fact that it is Serbs who are hampering their future and essentially want all Albnanians in Kosovo either bannished or placed back under an oppressive regime.
Trust me there is no one looking at the actions in Serbia/Kosovo and saying "now I see, Albanians are evil and Serbs are saints"

to the first impressionable court jester, or icj1, i can see you're in full comedy swing now. i can also from this point forward assume you have no connection to impartiality nor researching facts. like the huddled masses you like to continue to throw out jibberish, and barbs in order to perpetuate your unfounded figures.
clearly your scale of much is also broken. .01% makes not much.
the figure of 10000, or 9999 you and yours like to throw around is much closer to 5000, or less. these are the figures from international investigators, not immediate sensational journalists.
and again, those numbers included peoples of all groups, not just one.

Serb Cemeteries desecrated by Serbs themselves for the propaganda purpose, and this is not the first time.

Very obvious and expected!

Hello Serbia. Why are u guys disappointed ?
U stareted towing away stones to justify conflict so now face some type of revenge.

We did not send tanks; you did. You sent tanks and killed.
(J, 23 January 2013 01:25)

Mate, it has been 20 years since Hoxha died. So what has changed since then to Serbian minority? Do they have more rights? Any news in Serbian as Albanians used to have in Yugoslavia? You did not send the tanks as nobody dared to take arms against Hohxa regime or Berisha's regime now. How did you deal with Tosks in 1996? Tosks south of Shkumbin river don't want to live with rest of Albanians, they want Berat (Βελλέγραδα) as their capital.

Using army and police against armed terrorist is legitimate way of dealing with terrorism in every country in the world and Serbia is not exception. If you did not killed our policeman and soldiers we would not use tanks.

How did you deal with Tosks in 1996? Tosks south of Shkumbin river don't want to live with rest of Albanians, they want Berat (Βελλέγραδα) as their capital.

Using army and police against armed terrorist is legitimate way of dealing with terrorism in every country in the world and Serbia is not exception. If you did not killed our policeman and soldiers we would not use tanks.
Real Mendo, 23 January 2013 14:20

Dude I'm a tosk. I'm a northerner as well. I'm a catholic a Muslim and an an Orthodox family wise. I'm an atheist personally. Grandpa is from Kosova. I was raised down south.I am the stereotype. You see being Albanian is placed above all. That is our unifying factor. Thats why in Albania I am not the exception. In 1997 I lived down south. You've been reading too much propaganda. Learn a bit about our independence movement. The most ultra orthodox, Greek sounding Albanians from the deep south are some of the most proud Albanians you will find. Theofan S. Noli. Kostandin Kristoforidhi etc etc. Why do you think Greece has been unsuccessful. Our army can't stop them, we have way less money and they have way more allies. Down south live some people that Greece cannot deal with. They try to take that bite and Greece becomes the next Serbia.
Getting rid of Milosevic's dictatorship goons is an act of freedom. I for once would be grateful if the Serb/Montenegrins had taken arms against Hoxha's regime. I'd want that monument in the center of Tirana. Too bad it didn't happen.p

"No, investments are prevented by the unstable situation, caused by irrational politicians in Kosovo who don't care for improving the situation."

As I said, the situation in more than 90% of Kosovo's stable and has been so for years.

"Second, because the corruption which makes Kosovo one of the most corrupt countries in Europe."

Corruption doesn't stop international investment. Just take a look at Transparency International's list of the world's most corrupted countries. Many of them nevertheless have strong economic growth.

"Third, because the extremist political parties."

That's a very vague statement. Please specify what you're trying to say.

"Forth the clan structure which prohibits a democratic development."

Even if your comment was true (which I doubt), there are many examples of economicylly prosperous, undemocratic countries with clan structure.

"Last but not least by the lack of infrastructure and educated workforce."

The built up of infrastructure and economic investment usually go hand in hand. As far as the educated worforce's concerned, the Albanians in Kosovo are far more educated than the world average. In addition, there's a great number of highly educated Kosovo Albanians in exile more than willing to return in case of economic boost.

Albanians,
Are any of you aware of how Serbians are treated in Albania????[link]

Should we start launching attacks against the Albanian government, kill your police and soldiers, and then not only call them "heroes" but also build a memorial for them and plant it in an Albanian village.

Then we should say they died fighting for their rights in Albania? We cannot have our Serbian names, we cannot practice our religion openly, we cannot speak our language...are you all on drugs here and only care about yourselves??? In Presevo you guys do basically everything that is not Serbian... You practice your religion freely in your Mosques, you only speak in Albanian, and you're free to keep your god given names.. BUT you argue about your rights?

Please I am really interested to hear an honest Albanian who can handle the truth and be realistic about what I have said.
(trizo, 22 January 2013 08:15)

First of all what you wrote above is total BS. I have been in Vrake, you haven't.
Second- you will have my support to do all of the above the minute you see an Albanian tank in the villages. As a matter of fact I will enlist and join you.
Third- You have to convince them they are Serbs. They identify themselves as Monenegrins.
Fourth- Our strength with our minorities is that we see the use of our army towards them as a sign of weakness. We let them be. You do the opposite. You use the army to oppress and persecute.

"In ottoman time (stories from my grandfather)
in Yugoslav times and the reason why Albanians where settled in the Balkans to meddle and divide Serbs in their own countries to make them easier to control (Turkish view point) Divide and conquer nonetheless it's still practiced by the great powers."

-- Yea because your grandfather is the outmost authority on this. He said it so it must be true. Your grandma didn't impart any wisdom on you on this issue?

"I have many more things to say about this but i will keep it to myself..
(mick, 22 January 2013 22:17)"

--Please don't say it. Pretty please. Pffffffff.

May G-d bless Serbia, and keep you out of Russia's hands who will only use you for evil. May G-d judge those who had the free world attack your G-d fearing nation, and may Kosovo once again belong to it's rightful owners, the Serbian people, the only European friends of the Jewish people during the terrible war.

May every evil the Albanian muslim nazis and the illegal aliens in Kosovo wish on the heroic Serbian people befall them.

"I have many more things to say about this but i will keep it to myself.."

Oh no please share, you write so eruditely

We did not send tanks; you did. You sent tanks and killed.
(J, 23 January 2013 01:25)

Mate, it has been 20 years since Hoxha died. So what has changed since then to Serbian minority? Do they have more rights? Any news in Serbian as Albanians used to have in Yugoslavia? You did not send the tanks as nobody dared to take arms against Hohxa regime or Berisha's regime now. How did you deal with Tosks in 1996? Tosks south of Shkumbin river don't want to live with rest of Albanians, they want Berat (Βελλέγραδα) as their capital.

Using army and police against armed terrorist is legitimate way of dealing with terrorism in every country in the world and Serbia is not exception. If you did not killed our policeman and soldiers we would not use tanks.

You have done descration of the cemeteries to blame Albanians just as you done in 1981 but that filthy propaganda of your does not work anymore.So the game is over SERBIA

Do they identify themselves as Montenegrins? No need for tanks in villages, they have been prosecuted since 1936 and scared to death. Their names have been changed, no right to speak Serbian language. They had much less rights then Albanians under Milosevic. They have been completely assimilated into Albania. I remember in Yugoslavia it was everyday in afternoon "Lajmet" even though I lived in Belgrade. When did they have in Albania news in Serbian language? Never!
(Real Mendo, 22 January 2013 18:23)

Dude, we didn't have news in Albanian in Albania. Decades after the war we got a TV station that was on from 6-8 pm with 30 min of propaganda and 90 minutes of beeep sound. That was it. We didn't have TV's for fvcks sake. Albanian or not you needed authorization from the head of the party in town to possibly allow you to buy one when and if they became available. We couldn't name children the way we wanted. We had to change our last names because things we may have said against the party while drunk at weddings or face persecution, imprisonment or even a firing squad. We had to change our last names if prior to the war we had family in the west or family members who studied in the west. When it comes to how it was back then you do not have the slightest idea. You're pulling $hit out of your a$$. We were all fvcked, Greek, Albanian, Montenegrins, etc. unles you were one of the lucky few in Hoxha's inner circle. However we did not send tanks; you did. You sent tanks and killed.

Serb Cemeteries desecrated by Serbs themselves for the propaganda purpose, and this is not the first time.

Very obvious and expected!
(Dr Who/UK, 22 January 2013 21:03)
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On what evidence do you base this on?

Is this what KPS is telling you guys? So who was it and when are they going to be arrested?

Well. Lets just say that what happens in the balkans is somewhat medival in terms of damages to monuments and graveyards and such like. Such is the situation but those can be rebuild and is better off one way of showing aggresion than killing each other. Now when it comes to who Albanians are and what reference Serbs make towards the Albanians well there are historical facts and can be clearly seen who is who and who burnt whose house when. Lets just hope that Serbs come to terms with new reality in the Balkans and move towards EU seccession or otherwise lick Russian feet and be a thorn in the Balkans for the Albanians and their other neighbours.

What do you expect to happen, we cant get along with each other, we never have and maybe we never will, who came first, the egg or the chicken, we dont know, and we will never know, so it doesnt matter who start first, it always goes on a circle. These are outgoing problems for centuries. You give us what belong to Albanians , give us Preseva Valley and we will let you have Kosovo Mitrovica. We dont have to be friends , but we dont have to be enemies either. We are from Balkans, we have a lot similar traditions and things that make us unique, We are not criminals but we are proud for our nationality and we dont want to be treated as second class citizens. Stop the hate towards Albanians, you are not better than us. We are different but the same.

"These people- Arbanasi had no land,no historical monument not a word written ,not one document on their history until the very end of XIXth century when the Austrians built their alphabet .........it takes time to learn ,to grow when you only recently left your caves.........."
(............, 22 January 2013 21:05)
albo history start in the Balkan (April) 1042)..Leader George Maniakes.
By 2042 will be 10 century. or 29yr Shorth to rich 1.000yr.

not true at all.... why you media are doing thissss??????

While I clearly condemn any form of violence, here's one thought: In my opinion vandalism and attacks are at least partly connected to the economic situation in Kosovo. People who work and who see chances for making a satisfactory living are less likely to be involved in acts of violence.

Reality's a vast number of people in Kosovo are unemployed. Even worse, Kosovo's current economy very much depends on KFOR, EULEX, emigrants & crime.

Now guess what prevents international investment? It's the uncertain situation caused by Serbia's irrational unwillingness to at least agree to a de facto recognition. The idea that this will eventually lead to a reunification's nothing but ridiculous. In fact the exact opposite is true.

Well now serbs in Kosovo have to pay a high price because of Dacic's decision to remove a monument in Preševo. Whenever people like Miloševic or Dacič are in power the serbs in Kosovo pay a high price.
You removed their monument now expect them to remove yours. Sad but true.

"Kosovo is Serbian land"

Maybe this is true at some "serbian night" in some dreary pub on a Thursday night in the outskirts of some Australian metropolis.

On the ground in Kosovo... not so much

Aww what's wrong Serbs. You sad and mad. Thank Dacic for these.

"Only savages dont see the difference between a monument over terrorist and a church or a monestery."

Well, your church hasn't exactley shown itself to be a "holy place". The Serbian church was always a strong supporter of the crimes against the Albanian people. It likes to get involved in politics, which shouldn't be the case.

Told you yesterday. It won't take long. Stop complaining Serbs. It only will make me laugh.

You killed 10, 000 Albanians in the 90's and put them in mass graves under a parking lot in serbia! remember serbia! you think we forgot that?

Dacic has awakened a giant. Now dacic and all serbs who supported such thing will have to deal with the consequences on a daily basis. The next thing on the list will be Gazimestan. The very heart of Serbia.
God help you serbs.

Their media is just so reliable and predictable, day after day... as the stomach turns.

anyway, this idea of tit for tat, it was exactly the topic of conversation i had with my pals yesterday. it was also utterly predictable. while i despise what their "church" has done, and stands for (blessing their war crimes has been their specialty), i remain totally opposed to physically attacking churches and other holy places.

Of course criticizing them in an intelligent way is our obligation; they are hardly above the fray.

as for graveyards and the like, it is unforgivable, though you see it all thru europe (at least)and i've seen the condition of some of our cemeteries in serbia. not pretty...

the decision to forcibly remove the monument to fighters against fascism was an ugly one and its execution predictably evil. the international context was same ole, same old: the west was silent, claiming it was an "internal" decision for serbia. Internal decision for serbia! that's exactly the story of slobodan milosevic and the genocides unleashed from belgrade. "internal" matters. then the west appeared surprised: "Oh, well, we thought a compromise..." so the west, once again, bears some responsibility.

it's true as another poster points out (and as we have in the past)- serbia's aggressive position keeps any meaningful development or international investment from happening in Kosova or Bosnia for that matter. that's part of their strategy.

time to think about secession fr serbia.

Even if all that were true,...
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 21:11)

Execute an update. You are on 1989 or 1389.

Problem is that Serbia never stop waging war on Albanians. Only the means changed and what we have now is the result. When Serbia stops, then the result will come after. Not a second earlier.

Now guess what prevents international investment? It's the uncertain situation caused by Serbia's irrational unwillingness to at least agree to a de facto recognition. The idea that this will eventually lead to a reunification's nothing but ridiculous. In fact the exact opposite is true.
(Fikret, 21 January 2013 10:53)
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Let's see you rationalise it the same way with RS.

Kosovo is Serbian land so why should the Serbs recognise anything and let go?

I find it amazing how a bunch of Albanian terrorists can threaten the stability of the Balkans and its overwhelming Christian Orthodox populations.Have the Christians lost their balls?Is it about time to put a stop on the actions of these islamofascists?

Albanians demonstrating the only thing they are good at. Destroying churches, desecrating graves and terrorism. Let the world see it.

So you compare desecrating graveyards with removing a monument over terrorists?Need I remind you that the monument wasn´t even torn apart but relocated?This was no vengeance at all, this happens on a daily basis in Kosovo and has happened for more than a decade. 2004 the decani church and sveta bogorodica were set on fire along with tens of monesterys throughout Kim and it has been going on ever since. Look up on youtube albanians burning serb church if you dont believe me but I guess the truth is not very interesting for a biased bastard like you. Cange your name to Ian, Tirana. It suits you better.

Last but not least, if you hate serbs so much. What the hell are you doing on a serb site?
(Daniel, 21 January 2013 19:43)

When did I make comparisons? I never compared "desecrating graveyards with removing a monument over terrorists", but please be my guest and a prove me wrong using quotes.
What actually I said was "I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday". I never said that I consider it to be vengeance, I said that they consider it to be vengeance.

I do not deny that many Serbian Monasteries were destroyed in 2004. However I do not deny that almost half of the Mosques in Kosovo were destroyed/ damaged in the 1990's either.

I was born inside wedlock therefore I'm not a "bastard".

I don't live in Tirana, nor have I ever been there and I don't see myself going there.

I don't hate Serbs, I just disagree with Serbia on some political issues.

@ Winston: Obviously we have two different views. I regard violence and vandalism as the result of poverty. You regard poverty as the result of violence and vandalism.

In addition, please also keep one other thing in mind: The Albanian parts of Kosovo are very peaceful for most international travelers and international companies. To my best knowledge, there has never been any violence against western travelers or western companies. Sporadic attacks against Serbs are certainly comdemnable, but they definetly don't prevent international companies from investing. However, the unclear status of Kosovo certainly does.

I said it will backfire.

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.

Go ahead albs. Continue to terrorize. Show also to the world the kind of criminals we serbs have always known you were.

I find it sad that people dont take perspective into consideration.

That memorial was maybe supporting terorrists to you, as they fought against Slobodans forces.(Are you supporters of Milosevic? Because the soldiers on that monument and the Albanians of Presheva fought against that Serbia, not todays Serbia.

To us, it is a sign of the high price paid for the liberty they have today(small but things have gone right to an extent).

To you the churches are a sacred place, to us, they are the base of serbian nationalism and radicalism, believe it or not, right or wrong.

Two wrongs dont make a right, but you attacked what was holy to us, and unfortuneatly some couldnt control themselfs to not to the same, so they tried to destroy whats holy to you, and a terroristbastion to us.


How about stop blaming eachother and see the whole picture, only light can brighten darkness. Only love will break this hatred. There are bigger issues in this world then serbia or kosovo.

We need to act as a planet, as one.
For gods sake..

"Only savages dont see the difference between a monument over terrorist and a church or a monestery."

Well, your church hasn't exactley shown itself to be a "holy place". The Serbian church was always a strong supporter of the crimes against the Albanian people. It likes to get involved in politics, which shouldn't be the case.
(newsreader, 21 January 2013 16:01)

So you can get involved in politics but the Church cant?

I find it sad that people dont take perspective into consideration.

That memorial was maybe supporting terorrists to you, as they fought against Slobodans forces.(Are you supporters of Milosevic? Because the soldiers on that monument and the Albanians of Presheva fought against that Serbia, not todays Serbia.

To us, it is a sign of the high price paid for the liberty they have today(small but things have gone right to an extent).

To you the churches are a sacred place, to us, they are the base of serbian nationalism and radicalism, believe it or not, right or wrong.

Two wrongs dont make a right, but you attacked what was holy to us, and unfortuneatly some couldnt control themselfs to not to the same, so they tried to destroy whats holy to you, and a terroristbastion to us.


How about stop blaming eachother and see the whole picture, only light can brighten darkness. Only love will break this hatred. There are bigger issues in this world then serbia or kosovo.

We need to act as a planet, as one.
For gods sake..
(Prekaz, Drenica., 21 January 2013 15:48)

Amen my brother. Couldn't have said it better.

You really want to compare ancient churches and monasteries (some of them are UN cultural heritage) with this monument?
(Questioner, 21 January 2013 16:55)

You really want to compare the damage to buildings with the attempted genocide, destruction of whole cities, mass-killings, mass-rapings.. etc. committed by Serbian forces in 1990s? What happened nowadays is nothing compared in that decade of Serbian terror and this is reason for all the grievance. Not the other way round.

Tolerance and rule of law Albanian style.

"Let's see you rationalise it the same way with RS."

There's one major difference: The RS - and also the Federation - are relatively new artifical constructs which resulted from prior ethnic cleansing.

"Kosovo is Serbian land so why should the Serbs recognise anything and let go?"

Please also note that I spoke of de facto recognition. That's not the same as official recognition.

Apart from that, with the exception of the north and some small enclaves in the south, Kosovo's Albanian and has been for an extremely long period of time. Refering to medieval times is not a very rational argument, particularly since the modern concept of nationhood was unknown at that time.

Now without any doubt, minority rights for those Serbs in the southern enclaves must be improved. As far as the north is concerned, I'm not generally against a land swap (Presevo Mitrovica). The only thing I'd be afraid of would conseqeuntly be a new land claim elsewhere, for example in Macedonia or Montenegro.

I absolutely don't support this sort of things happening but then like someone here said that monument meant a lot to us Albanians cos we fought for our rights from the Serbian regime.

"Kosovo is Serbian land"

Maybe this is true at some "serbian night" in some dreary pub on a Thursday night in the outskirts of some Australian metropolis.

On the ground in Kosovo... not so much
(Danilo, 21 January 2013 13:01)

Kosovo i Metohija is under occupation but it is still Serbian nonetheless. You can steal something of mine but it doesn't make it yours. You are just holding onto it until justice catches up which it always does.

Albanians are like spoiled children who throw tantrums when they don't get their way. They need to grow up.

What a sick people albans are. Too bad stone can't hit back.

Well now serbs in Kosovo have to pay a high price because of Dacic's decision to remove a monument in Preševo. Whenever people like Miloševic or Dacič are in power the serbs in Kosovo pay a high price.
You removed their monument now expect them to remove yours. Sad but true.
(Montenegrin, 21 January 2013 13:45)

This has nothing to do with Dacic, they have been destroying and burning churches and monesterys for more than a decade. Only savages dont see the difference between a monument over terrorist and a church or a monestery.

Typical, I called this yesterday. Only a lunatic would compare respectfully removing a monument to terrorists to destroying holy sites (which are by the way the oldest buildings standing on Kosovo i Metohija).

Those Churches upset the Muslim Albanians more than anything. Because you can ethnically cleanse people but you would have to demolish those monuments and Churches in order to truly erase who's nation was on this territory first.

I was expecting murders and rapes, so maybe the Albanians are saving that for another time. Ian, Ian come out come out wherever you are ;)

I said it will backfire.
(Pejoni, 21 January 2013 14:41)
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Don't worry, we know all about Albanians and their respective "sports". The "kosova"* Open has started. First up are the unemployed youths encouraged by the diaspora keyboard warriors. Let the world see what Albanians and their supporters are made of... but you're not even making world news so this will fizzle out in a day or two. LOL!

You really want to compare ancient churches and monasteries (some of them are UN cultural heritage) with this monument?
(Questioner, 21 January 2013 16:55)

Again my friend, this is a matter of perspective. To them the monument was more valueable then the church they tried to attack, as it meant as much to you as the monument to albanians.

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Except noone attacked what was holly to you. The monument, illegally raised on public land, was removed with care and respect only after the government gave a chance to the local authorities to do it themselves. I did not support the removal because I knew it's bound to cause great danger to Kosovo Serbs, but it doesn't justify it in any way. You try to escape the responsibility here and it's shameful. What happened today on Kosovo was vandalism and savagery. I can only commend the police for securing the monasteries thus far.
(M, 21 January 2013 17:58)

I dont think you're in a situation where you can state what matters to Albanians. As we're not religious but patriotic the monument meant alot, just as your churches do. Its just that simple, and overthinking this matter will only create more questions and divide us further.

It was vandalism, and filthy as well. Those people are trying to rest in peace, but again.. that just like the monument. Its there to remember people, who lived fought and died for their peace.

Do not forget that what you consider terrorist, other consider freedomfighters - and the other way around.

P&Love

Tolerance and rule of law Albanian style.
(sj, 21 January 2013 10:44)

Even though these acts should be condemned and the perpetrators punished as Kosovo's government stated, the problem is that Kosovo is Serbia and therefore the perpetrators are trying to follow Serbia's lead in regards to tolerance and the rule of law http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=01&dd=20&nav_id=84243 about

It likes to get involved in politics, which shouldn't be the case.
(newsreader, 21 January 2013 16:01)

What are they supposed to do? Lay down for your KLA Islamists with arrows pointing to their body organs and throats saying: Cut here?
This is another black eye for the KLA Islamo-Fascist-narco-terrorists, and sadly and unfortunately for all of Albanians. Are you aware of what your partners have done so far to the Christians in Syria and North Africa? I am.

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)

Vengeance for what Ian? How can you justify this as vengeance? Do you know that those Kosovan Albanian terrorist damaged memorial of children from Gorazdevac killed in 2003? Those same terrorist who killed those children, have shot at their monument last night! And you call that vengeance? Monument in Presevo was terrorist monument which was respectfully removed without being damaged. Why don't you lobby to have a monument in Yorkshire of IRA freedom fighters killed by British army? Would that be allowed? You are not stranger to hypocrisy Ian and definitely born out of wedlock.

Meanwhile, 27 tombstones were destroyed in a Serb cemetery in Klokot. The Serbian Government Office for Kosovo and Metohija urged the international community representatives in Kosovo to find the "vandals" behind the incident as soon as possible.
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Didn't KPS already find him and he is in custody?

Fikret, what do you consider the meetings between Thaci, Dacic, and the EU in Brussels to be all about? Recognition means nothing if there is no agreement between the two sides, Albanians and Serbs. Albanians, especially on this site, only see recognition as some cure all, it's not. Serbia has stated many times it will not openly acknowledge an independent Albanian State in Kosovo, so let's move on. Peace and agreement, is what will bring money and investments into Kosovo. If people stop the shootings, bombing, beatings, desecrations of cemeteries, and disputes, investors may think twice. What good is recognition, if these barbaric acts continue? Would you invest your money in a place where armed soldiers had to keep waring factions apart? Recognition won't change matters, but agreement and reconciliation will.

"Maybe this is true at some "serbian night" in some dreary pub on a Thursday night in the outskirts of some Australian metropolis."

... not so much
(Danilo, 21 January 2013 13:01)

On the ground Arnaut(albo) every nigth demolish one Serbian cemetery.

On the ground in Kosovo... not so much
(Danilo, 21 January 2013 13:01)

Also, its funny how you decide to let us know you think Kosovo i Metohija is not Serbian land but you have nothing to comment on the savage Islamic terrorists for their actions yesterday. You seem to reserve no criticisms for Albanians.

The verdict is still out on you, you are either a Hrvat or a self-hating Serb. The Jews have lots of those too.

Kosova, as per usual you seem to remember fabrication and ignore facts. Your 10,000 figure has been discredited by actual international observers. The internationally accepted number is less than 10,000 souls from all sides. The ratio was near 60-40, so you can look up real numbers or keep trying to promote your propaganda lies. However perpetrators of untruths are quickly dismissed as uninformed and become irrelevant, even when you decide to finally speak the truth. It's the chicken and falling sky fable. Look up Aesop and you'll see.

You have done descration of the cemeteries to blame Albanians just as you done in 1981 but that filthy propaganda of your does not work anymore.So the game is over SERBIA

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)

So you compare desecrating graveyards with removing a monument over terrorists?Need I remind you that the monument wasn´t even torn apart but relocated?This was no vengeance at all, this happens on a daily basis in Kosovo and has happened for more than a decade. 2004 the decani church and sveta bogorodica were set on fire along with tens of monesterys throughout Kim and it has been going on ever since. Look up on youtube albanians burning serb church if you dont believe me but I guess the truth is not very interesting for a biased bastard like you. Cange your name to Ian, Tirana. It suits you better.

Last but not least, if you hate serbs so much. What the hell are you doing on a serb site?

It was vandalism, and filthy as well. Those people are trying to rest in peace, but again.. that just like the monument. Its there to remember people, who lived fought and died for their peace.

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Did you seriously just say that?
Think for a second. Whose names are on that monument and who lies in those graves?
Are you saying that people in those graves are fighters who killed your innocent?

I am guessing that any Serb to you is a terrorist and guilty of killing your people. You are not only delusional but pathetic as well.

I said it will backfire.
(Pejoni, 21 January 2013 14:41)

Yep, thanks for once again affirming the cultural stereotypes Europe's youngest democrats are known for.

Pristina must pay compensation and put right any damage to Serbian Churches and Cemetrys in Kosovo.

It is their duty.

One memorial (that was for the dead who fought against Serbia) was peacefully removed. Scores of Serbian graves (of innocent dead) are destroyed in retaliation.

Albanian logic.

Serbs in Kosovo should take arms and defend themselves, their cultural buildings, and cemeteries ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

This has been going on for longer than a few days. You sick terrorists just needed something to justify another pogrom.

"Told you yesterday. It won't take long. Stop complaining Serbs. It only will make me laugh."

Avni

Nobody is complaining. This is not the first time you desecrate a church or a graveyard. The removal of the devils monument yesterday is just an excuse you albanians use. If serbs wouldn't remove it you would have found another reason to desecrate churches and graveyards. I mean what's your excuse for burning and desecrating hundreds of graveyards and monasteries up until now? You are just an evil people, that's should be your excuse. Keep terrorising, the world will see you the way we serbs have always seen you. You are simple a primitive and backward people.

Aww what's wrong Serbs. You sad and mad. Thank Dacic for these.
(Eric, 21 January 2013 17:38)

The only one sad and mad seems to be you:

We albanian we never let Serbia get in the EU, it's time to burn the Serbian embassy in Tirana
(Eric, 20 January 2013 18:06)

It's your immature culture, not mine.

the decision to forcibly remove the monument to fighters against fascism was an ugly one and its execution predictably evil.

Fighters against fascism?They were terrorists that killed serb policemen IN THE HEART OF SERBIA. Do you think that the USA would let someone put up a monument over bin ladin next to ground zero? You always keep twisting the truth in order to make it fit ur sick behavior. How sick can someone be to put a bomb on a familys gravestone. Only albanians can do something like that.

as for graveyards and the like, it is unforgivable, though you see it all thru europe (at least)and i've seen the condition of some of our cemeteries in serbia. not pretty...

You are nothing but a filthy liar, noone touches your cemeterys in Serbia and you know it, you have a cemetery in the northern Mitrovica that has never been touched while the serb cemetery is desecrated and cant even be recognized. By the way Roberto sounds very albanian, but on the other hand If I were you I would be ashamed too.

"decani church and sveta bogorodica were set on fire along "

Slight correction: Decani monastery wasn't set on fire; a rocket was fired on it, damaging the outer wall.

This is the most idiotic thing that has happened and done by my people in this decade..... I personally apologize in the name of Albanians to all Serbs for this, it should have never happened, and we have to make sure it never happens again. This is stupid beyond imagination.

"Two wrongs dont make a right, but you attacked what was holy to us, and unfortuneatly some couldnt control themselfs to not to the same, so they tried to destroy whats holy to you, and a terroristbastion to us. "
(Prekaz, Drenica., 21 January 2013 15:48)

You really want to compare ancient churches and monasteries (some of them are UN cultural heritage) with this monument?

"I said it will backfire."

Pejoni

You desecrate a cemetary because serbs removed the terrorist monument in Presevo! So, what was the excuse all the other 100 times before this one when albanian desecrated serbian graveyards or a church? The way I see it, serbs might as well remove albanian monuments of terror because albanians will desecrate serbian churches and graveyards either way.

Damaging these cemeteries and memorials is pathetic, disrespectful and achieves nothing but creating greater divides in society. However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)

There is no justification whatsoever for the desecration of gravestones no matter what the perceived reason/grievance is. This act should be condemned outright by all parties. No excuses.

just roll in with the troops already What else are we waiting for

Hi Ari!

To answer your question, I do think that bad things are bad.

I tend, however, to reserve comment on that which is ridiculous.

Hope that settles any confusion.

As for your problems with my identity, I really can't help you there.

it's true as another poster points out (and as we have in the past)- serbia's aggressive position keeps any meaningful development or international investment from happening in Kosova or Bosnia for that matter. that's part of their strategy.

time to think about secession fr serbia.
(roberto, 21 January 2013 18:05)

Congratulations roberto. Once again you've managed to miss the entire point of the article you blabbered on about. Instead of simply condemning another act of vandalism perpetuated by your favorite people who seem to be completely incapable of providing the peace and tolerance you claim to want, you manage to once again make Serbs the responsible culprits. Tell me, do you blame rape victims for being too sexy? I really don't know why you decided to come back here after finding a more sympathetic audience on albaniapress.com complaining about how much you're mistreated on B92 but it's nice to know you haven't lost a gram of your stupidity.

@Montenegrin, But dear "Montenegrin", it seems you mix-up things and meanings.Your government wanted also to destroy Serbian church for "estethic reason". The point is that you think you can appropriate things that belong to Serba, that you can build monuments in Serbia, but you wouldn't let the others do what you do. I think Albanians could raise a monument to their fallen UCPBM fellows in Podgorica or on Lovcen three times bigger than one in Preshevo, as there is an important majority of Albanians there You know, there is always the way to remember someone even if it is not at the spot where the event happened.

Anybody see Ian?

Maybe Ian got lost frolicking in one them cemetery.

Cowards who attack the dead.

You really want to compare the damage to buildings with the attempted genocide, destruction of whole cities, mass-killings, mass-rapings.. etc. committed by Serbian forces in 1990s? What happened nowadays is nothing compared in that decade of Serbian terror and this is reason for all the grievance. Not the other way round.
(John, 21 January 2013 18:57)
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Even if all that were true, how long are you going to keep taking it out on our dead, the kids and the elderly?
Wow, all the above I mentioned are in no way able to defend themselves so that makes you the biggest cowards around.
Cowards, cowards and more cowards. Is the anyone amongst you who isn't a coward and is actually going to go up to North and try to demolish one Serb grave?

Has the guy your KPS arrested for doing all this sort of damage been let out and he is running around doing it again?

I am guessing that any Serb to you is a terrorist and guilty of killing your people. You are not only delusional but pathetic as well.
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 22:42)

You are the one that think all Albanians are terrorists. You seem to get amnesia all of sudden.

Serb Cemeteries desecrated by Serbs themselves for the propaganda purpose, and this is not the first time.

Very obvious and expected!

(Prekaz, Drenica., 21 January 2013 15:48)

Except noone attacked what was holly to you. The monument, illegally raised on public land, was removed with care and respect only after the government gave a chance to the local authorities to do it themselves. I did not support the removal because I knew it's bound to cause great danger to Kosovo Serbs, but it doesn't justify it in any way. You try to escape the responsibility here and it's shameful. What happened today on Kosovo was vandalism and savagery. I can only commend the police for securing the monasteries thus far.

However I suppose they see it as vengeance for what happened yesterday.
(Ian, UK, 21 January 2013 17:36)
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Sounds like you are justifying it with this line.

Are you? Do you condemn it unequivocally? There is always a but when anyone from Albanian side even tries to say how they don't like this or that.
So Ian, do you condemn it without a but or not?

I am guessing that any Serb to you is a terrorist and guilty of killing your people. You are not only delusional but pathetic as well.
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 22:42)

That doesn't feel good does it. Well get used to it. You've been calling us that for decades. Some reciprocity is definitely warranted. When those two coconuts in Belgrade (Dacic and Nikolic) stop using the T word on us as a people we will stop lumping all the Serbs together.

(Real Illyrian, 21 January 2013 23:10)

When did I justify it as vengeance? I said that they see it as vengeance, not that I see it as vengeance. Big difference!

We already have loads of Murals dedicated to the IRA in the UK. And there are large Irish communities in Yorkshire (Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Huddersfield, Halifax ect) and if the Irish communities were to establish IRA murals in Irish areas, I don't suppose many people would mind as the IRA's cause (not tactics) were sympathised in the North of England due to 1 in 3 of us having at least one Irish grandparent. And we all know and accept how brutal the British army was in Northern Ireland. So I doubt there would be much objection to a mural honouring the IRA. It'd probably be treated similarly to the ones in Northern Ireland. People who object to them would establish their own. Would it be allowed? Well they already are. We have freedom of speech in the UK and we have political correctness which is out of control. So yes it would be allowed.

Albanians,
Are any of you aware of how Serbians are treated in Albania????[link]

Should we start launching attacks against the Albanian government, kill your police and soldiers, and then not only call them "heroes" but also build a memorial for them and plant it in an Albanian village.

Then we should say they died fighting for their rights in Albania? We cannot have our Serbian names, we cannot practice our religion openly, we cannot speak our language...are you all on drugs here and only care about yourselves??? In Presevo you guys do basically everything that is not Serbian... You practice your religion freely in your Mosques, you only speak in Albanian, and you're free to keep your god given names.. BUT you argue about your rights?

Please I am really interested to hear an honest Albanian who can handle the truth and be realistic about what I have said.
(trizo, 22 January 2013 08:15)

First of all what you wrote above is total BS. I have been in Vrake, you haven't.
Second- you will have my support to do all of the above the minute you see an Albanian tank in the villages. As a matter of fact I will enlist and join you.
Third- You have to convince them they are Serbs. They identify themselves as Monenegrins.
Fourth- Our strength with our minorities is that we see the use of our army towards them as a sign of weakness. We let them be. You do the opposite. You use the army to oppress and persecute.

I promise you that I will never stop calling you albanians terrorists. Now its more waranted then ever to call you by your middle name. In a period of peac you albanians have expelled thousands of serbs, you have desecrated our graveyards and burned our churches and monasteries. I will continue to call you TERRORISTS because that is what you are. There is a reason everyone hates albanians and don't want anything to do with you. There are albanians that are different but to bad they are so few. Kosovo is like a freakin zoo. You don't know which animal is worse.

"Now guess what prevents international investment? It's the uncertain situation caused by Serbia's irrational unwillingness to at least agree to a de facto recognition. "
(Fikret, 21 January 2013 10:53)

No, investments are prevented by the unstable situation, caused by irrational politicians in Kosovo who don't care for improving the situation. Second, because the corruption which makes Kosovo one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. Third, because the extremist political parties. Forth the clan structure which prohibits a democratic development. Last but not least by the lack of infrastructure and educated workforce.

Bratya Serbi, s vas sme!

Well. Lets just say that what happens in the balkans is somewhat medival in terms of damages to monuments and graveyards and such like. Such is the situation but those can be rebuild and is better off one way of showing aggresion than killing each other. Now when it comes to who Albanians are and what reference Serbs make towards the Albanians well there are historical facts and can be clearly seen who is who and who burnt whose house when. Lets just hope that Serbs come to terms with new reality in the Balkans and move towards EU seccession or otherwise lick Russian feet and be a thorn in the Balkans for the Albanians and their other neighbours.

If reciprocity is the fair word of the day, then do it at the same levels. The monument from Presevo that everyone is up-in-arms-about was moved away, undamaged, and can be relocated. The Serbian government specifically suggested relocating it to the courtyard of a mosque or some Alabanian national building, but not to be displayed at the city center because the city is a city in Serbia, and must follow in order with Serbian laws.
As such an equivalent reciprical action would not be to destroy Serbian monestaries, or statues, but to have such offesnsive statues relocated to the courtyards of monestaries, which will be protected (and finally left untouched as a matter of social principle) as are Albanian houses of worship within Serbia.
Sanity needs to be brought back to these people, all of them, and trying to outdo the other guy is not sane, but reflecting behaviours back is.

In the US it is Martin Luther King Day. In Roberto's mind it is race guilt against Serbs day. Every Serb, even a dead serb or a serb building, must be punished after all Serbs don't take good care of their own cemeteries so why not destroy them? Don't like some of the things a religious leader said, that's all the justification necessary to tear down churches. Don't like a governments actions, secede from the country through war!

In times of war maniacs threaten to knock the enemy "Back into the stone age". In times of Peace maniacs knock their own movement into the stone age. Roberto is just the man to lead the racist separatists. You will be quite the success listening to him and the "YAY lets knock over a cemetery crowd."

Don't use your energy to fix some farmers fence, or build a road by hand. Instead, knock something old over. The more feelings you hurt the greater the success your country will be. Good for you. You are showing us exactly the kind of power you are capable of. You are showing us how your little apartheid state is going to look in ten years. We don't have to harm you to stop investments, you will do that for us. Why move forward, blame all your nasty problems on us and continue to live in squalor. Beg for recognition, beg for independence but don't actually do any work or pay taxes its all our fault, you should rest up for knocking things over.

So you can get involved in politics but the Church cant?
(???, 21 January 2013 17:12)

Exactly. Churches, mosques, synagogues or any kind of religious affiliations should not be allowed to be involved in politics. They hold too powerfull of a grip on the uncultured masses to be allowed to use God and fear of eternal damnation for political pursuits.

You are the one that think all Albanians are terrorists. You seem to get amnesia all of sudden.
(Ardi Asllani, 22 January 2013 08:36)
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Who then is destroying Serbian cemeteries then? Who has destroyed Serbian churches and monasteries? Who kills Serbian children and elderly?
A terrorist does and a terrorist harbours and aids another terrorist.

If it quacks like a duck........

"Think for a second. Whose names are on that monument and who lies in those graves? "

(Peggy, 21 January 2013 22:42)

I'm positive this monument don't have name Gerrge Maniakes (1042)
Albo in Kosovo is only 200yr. those graves are older and do't have noting with Arnauts.

Didn't KPS already find him and he is in custody?
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 10:11)

Apparently there's more Ashkali out there.

Kosova, as per usual you seem to remember fabrication and ignore facts. Your 10,000 figure has been discredited by actual international observers. The internationally accepted number is less than 10,000 souls from all sides
(Osce, 21 January 2013 23:39)

Ok, so what is this number smaller than 10000? 9999?... Wow, we should throw a party for this great achievement!

The Serbian government moved the monument with seemingly every intention to place it somewhere else. Why would it have not been destroyed? The Serbian government was acting to preserve the monument because Serbs were going to blow it up. Serbian police arrested a lot of Serbs who were planning on destroying it. For Albanians then to destroy Serb graves and churches makes no sense in relation to revenge! Of course it's not revenge anyway because there has been a continuing war against Serbs by Albanians since 1998. Totally uninterrupted and almost promoted by NATO and the kps which is just the kla anyway.

Albanians,
Are any of you aware of how Serbians are treated in Albania????http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Albania

Should we start launching attacks against the Albanian government, kill your police and soldiers, and then not only call them "heroes" but also build a memorial for them and plant it in an Albanian village.

Then we should say they died fighting for their rights in Albania? We cannot have our Serbian names, we cannot practice our religion openly, we cannot speak our language...are you all on drugs here and only care about yourselves??? In Presevo you guys do basically everything that is not Serbian... You practice your religion freely in your Mosques, you only speak in Albanian, and you're free to keep your god given names.. BUT you argue about your rights?

Please I am really interested to hear an honest Albanian who can handle the truth and be realistic about what I have said.

Albanians,
Are any of you aware of how Serbians are treated in Albania????[link]
(trizo, 22 January 2013 08:15)

I am glad you raised this. This was strongly kept secret. No any right what so ever since King Zogu and it was just continued by Enver Hoxha regime. The Serbian names have been Albanised, not any right for their own language. Albanians under Milosevic in Kosovo had more rights than Serbs ever had in in Albania under any regime. Long kept secret and even prohibited to talk about that.

We albanian we never let Serbia get in the EU, it's time to burn the Serbian embassy in Tirana
(Eric, 20 January 2013 18:06)

I am sure Bruxelles will ask for your opinion when it comes to Serbias eu status. In fact the poorest country in the world and the country with the highest unemployment rate is an important factor on the political world scene.

We already have loads of Murals dedicated to the IRA in the UK.
(Ian, UK, 22 January 2013 11:39)

Could you please name few? There are in N. Ireland but not in England. Or you still consider N. Ireland as UK?

Could you please name few? There are in N. Ireland but not in England. Or you still consider N. Ireland as UK?
(Mendosa, 22 January 2013 15:36)

Well as we speak Northern Ireland is still apart of the UK, I'm not saying it should be; I'm just saying it currently is. You just have to ask the recent flag protesters. In fact, I dare you to go Northern Ireland and tell the flag protesters that Northern Ireland isn't apart of the UK. It will be the last thing you ever say.

IRA murals in the UK but outside of Northern Ireland? Well there are a few in the Liverpool and Glasgow areas for certain.

Hello Serbia. Why are u guys disappointed ?
U stareted towing away stones to justify conflict so now face some type of revenge.

Sounds like you are justifying it with this line.

Are you? Do you condemn it unequivocally? There is always a but when anyone from Albanian side even tries to say how they don't like this or that.
So Ian, do you condemn it without a but or not?
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 21:06)

I outright condemn it!

Not that I care what you think of me or how you interpret, twist and change what I say.

I tend to disregard anything which is preceded by the word "but" as nonsense, anything which succeeds the word "but" is what a person really thinks.

People should think things through properly instead of doing things on the spur of the moment and allowing themselves to be provoked. These stupid Kosovans have walked straight into Dacic's trap by responding aggressively to the removal of that stupid monument. This is what Dacic wanted, he wanted a hostile reaction as it gives him and his buddies diplomatic fuel. If they wanted to show their discontent to the removal of that stupid monument, then they should have done what those in Presevo did and protested peacefully. That way they wouldn't have ended up looking stupid in the media, which of course Serbian media has been quick to jump on the bandwagon and report.

Eric by the way, did you return the watch to ex president Bush?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q__P1jqaGqg

These people- Arbanasi had no land,no historical monument not a word written ,not one document on their history until the very end of XIXth century when the Austrians built their alphabet .........it takes time to learn ,to grow when you only recently left your caves..........

to the first impressionable court jester, or icj1, i can see you're in full comedy swing now. i can also from this point forward assume you have no connection to impartiality nor researching facts. like the huddled masses you like to continue to throw out jibberish, and barbs in order to perpetuate your unfounded figures.
clearly your scale of much is also broken. .01% makes not much.
the figure of 10000, or 9999 you and yours like to throw around is much closer to 5000, or less. these are the figures from international investigators, not immediate sensational journalists.
and again, those numbers included peoples of all groups, not just one.

First of all what you wrote above is total BS. I have been in Vrake, you haven't.
Second- you will have my support to do all of the above the minute you see an Albanian tank in the villages. As a matter of fact I will enlist and join you.
Third- You have to convince them they are Serbs. They identify themselves as Monenegrins.
Fourth- Our strength with our minorities is that we see the use of our army towards them as a sign of weakness. We let them be. You do the opposite. You use the army to oppress and persecute.
(J, 22 January 2013 15:23)

Have a look mate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz8uHGN6nUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmMyHgkfnU

Do they identify themselves as Montenegrins? No need for tanks in villages, they have been prosecuted since 1936 and scared to death. Their names have been changed, no right to speak Serbian language. They had much less rights then Albanians under Milosevic. They have been completely assimilated into Albania. I remember in Yugoslavia it was everyday in afternoon "Lajmet" even though I lived in Belgrade. When did they have in Albania news in Serbian language? Never!

In ottoman time (stories from my grandfather)
in Yugoslav times and the reason why Albanians where settled in the Balkans to meddle and divide Serbs in their own countries to make them easier to control (Turkish view point) Divide and conquer nonetheless it's still practiced by the great powers.

I have many more things to say about this but i will keep it to myself..

Do they identify themselves as Montenegrins? No need for tanks in villages, they have been prosecuted since 1936 and scared to death. Their names have been changed, no right to speak Serbian language. They had much less rights then Albanians under Milosevic. They have been completely assimilated into Albania. I remember in Yugoslavia it was everyday in afternoon "Lajmet" even though I lived in Belgrade. When did they have in Albania news in Serbian language? Never!
(Real Mendo, 22 January 2013 18:23)

Dude, we didn't have news in Albanian in Albania. Decades after the war we got a TV station that was on from 6-8 pm with 30 min of propaganda and 90 minutes of beeep sound. That was it. We didn't have TV's for fvcks sake. Albanian or not you needed authorization from the head of the party in town to possibly allow you to buy one when and if they became available. We couldn't name children the way we wanted. We had to change our last names because things we may have said against the party while drunk at weddings or face persecution, imprisonment or even a firing squad. We had to change our last names if prior to the war we had family in the west or family members who studied in the west. When it comes to how it was back then you do not have the slightest idea. You're pulling $hit out of your a$$. We were all fvcked, Greek, Albanian, Montenegrins, etc. unles you were one of the lucky few in Hoxha's inner circle. However we did not send tanks; you did. You sent tanks and killed.

Serb Cemeteries desecrated by Serbs themselves for the propaganda purpose, and this is not the first time.

Very obvious and expected!
(Dr Who/UK, 22 January 2013 21:03)
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On what evidence do you base this on?

Is this what KPS is telling you guys? So who was it and when are they going to be arrested?

May G-d bless Serbia, and keep you out of Russia's hands who will only use you for evil. May G-d judge those who had the free world attack your G-d fearing nation, and may Kosovo once again belong to it's rightful owners, the Serbian people, the only European friends of the Jewish people during the terrible war.

May every evil the Albanian muslim nazis and the illegal aliens in Kosovo wish on the heroic Serbian people befall them.

"I have many more things to say about this but i will keep it to myself.."

Oh no please share, you write so eruditely

Maybe the only thing we can get a little bit of hope out of when hearing this is that every descration is one step closer to having the lid blown off the whole yugoslavia and kosovo conflict and the processes following it internationally and that so hopefully they are not useless sacrifices. It is unbelievable the kind of monsterous behavior taking place, it has completely shifted my view on humanity, i did not realise such barbaric acts was actually still possible today in europe under the nose of the EU, USA and all their so called peace keeping sherades.

"No, investments are prevented by the unstable situation, caused by irrational politicians in Kosovo who don't care for improving the situation."

As I said, the situation in more than 90% of Kosovo's stable and has been so for years.

"Second, because the corruption which makes Kosovo one of the most corrupt countries in Europe."

Corruption doesn't stop international investment. Just take a look at Transparency International's list of the world's most corrupted countries. Many of them nevertheless have strong economic growth.

"Third, because the extremist political parties."

That's a very vague statement. Please specify what you're trying to say.

"Forth the clan structure which prohibits a democratic development."

Even if your comment was true (which I doubt), there are many examples of economicylly prosperous, undemocratic countries with clan structure.

"Last but not least by the lack of infrastructure and educated workforce."

The built up of infrastructure and economic investment usually go hand in hand. As far as the educated worforce's concerned, the Albanians in Kosovo are far more educated than the world average. In addition, there's a great number of highly educated Kosovo Albanians in exile more than willing to return in case of economic boost.

(Simot, 22 January 2013 02:31)
Do you really believe what you wrote? This is a huge topic on a Serbian site, and in the Serbian press where embellishment of acts against Serbs is usually a rule and not the exception. It will be mentioned by some politicians and will be mentioned in Ban's report but do you think for a minute that it will ever be equated to the documented atrocities that Serbia has committed? You have pinned your hopes on making Albanians look like they deserved what you did to them, but that is never going to happen.
While the world may condemn these acts, they also know that it is also an act of retaliation for the past and the fact that it is Serbs who are hampering their future and essentially want all Albnanians in Kosovo either bannished or placed back under an oppressive regime.
Trust me there is no one looking at the actions in Serbia/Kosovo and saying "now I see, Albanians are evil and Serbs are saints"

"In ottoman time (stories from my grandfather)
in Yugoslav times and the reason why Albanians where settled in the Balkans to meddle and divide Serbs in their own countries to make them easier to control (Turkish view point) Divide and conquer nonetheless it's still practiced by the great powers."

-- Yea because your grandfather is the outmost authority on this. He said it so it must be true. Your grandma didn't impart any wisdom on you on this issue?

"I have many more things to say about this but i will keep it to myself..
(mick, 22 January 2013 22:17)"

--Please don't say it. Pretty please. Pffffffff.

We did not send tanks; you did. You sent tanks and killed.
(J, 23 January 2013 01:25)

Mate, it has been 20 years since Hoxha died. So what has changed since then to Serbian minority? Do they have more rights? Any news in Serbian as Albanians used to have in Yugoslavia? You did not send the tanks as nobody dared to take arms against Hohxa regime or Berisha's regime now. How did you deal with Tosks in 1996? Tosks south of Shkumbin river don't want to live with rest of Albanians, they want Berat (Βελλέγραδα) as their capital.

Using army and police against armed terrorist is legitimate way of dealing with terrorism in every country in the world and Serbia is not exception. If you did not killed our policeman and soldiers we would not use tanks.

How did you deal with Tosks in 1996? Tosks south of Shkumbin river don't want to live with rest of Albanians, they want Berat (Βελλέγραδα) as their capital.

Using army and police against armed terrorist is legitimate way of dealing with terrorism in every country in the world and Serbia is not exception. If you did not killed our policeman and soldiers we would not use tanks.
Real Mendo, 23 January 2013 14:20

Dude I'm a tosk. I'm a northerner as well. I'm a catholic a Muslim and an an Orthodox family wise. I'm an atheist personally. Grandpa is from Kosova. I was raised down south.I am the stereotype. You see being Albanian is placed above all. That is our unifying factor. Thats why in Albania I am not the exception. In 1997 I lived down south. You've been reading too much propaganda. Learn a bit about our independence movement. The most ultra orthodox, Greek sounding Albanians from the deep south are some of the most proud Albanians you will find. Theofan S. Noli. Kostandin Kristoforidhi etc etc. Why do you think Greece has been unsuccessful. Our army can't stop them, we have way less money and they have way more allies. Down south live some people that Greece cannot deal with. They try to take that bite and Greece becomes the next Serbia.
Getting rid of Milosevic's dictatorship goons is an act of freedom. I for once would be grateful if the Serb/Montenegrins had taken arms against Hoxha's regime. I'd want that monument in the center of Tirana. Too bad it didn't happen.p

Osce, 21 January 2013 23:39
Talk about your fables!, While the number has varied source by source the accepted international number is about 10,000. But never has there been a 'non-Serbian' source that has come close to a 60-40 split of victims if you are referring to Albanian-Serbian. So if you are going to criticize someone elses facts amke sure you have yours.

We did not send tanks; you did. You sent tanks and killed.
(J, 23 January 2013 01:25)

Mate, it has been 20 years since Hoxha died. So what has changed since then to Serbian minority? Do they have more rights? Any news in Serbian as Albanians used to have in Yugoslavia? You did not send the tanks as nobody dared to take arms against Hohxa regime or Berisha's regime now. How did you deal with Tosks in 1996? Tosks south of Shkumbin river don't want to live with rest of Albanians, they want Berat (Βελλέγραδα) as their capital.

Using army and police against armed terrorist is legitimate way of dealing with terrorism in every country in the world and Serbia is not exception. If you did not killed our policeman and soldiers we would not use tanks.

What do you expect to happen, we cant get along with each other, we never have and maybe we never will, who came first, the egg or the chicken, we dont know, and we will never know, so it doesnt matter who start first, it always goes on a circle. These are outgoing problems for centuries. You give us what belong to Albanians , give us Preseva Valley and we will let you have Kosovo Mitrovica. We dont have to be friends , but we dont have to be enemies either. We are from Balkans, we have a lot similar traditions and things that make us unique, We are not criminals but we are proud for our nationality and we dont want to be treated as second class citizens. Stop the hate towards Albanians, you are not better than us. We are different but the same.

"These people- Arbanasi had no land,no historical monument not a word written ,not one document on their history until the very end of XIXth century when the Austrians built their alphabet .........it takes time to learn ,to grow when you only recently left your caves.........."
(............, 22 January 2013 21:05)
albo history start in the Balkan (April) 1042)..Leader George Maniakes.
By 2042 will be 10 century. or 29yr Shorth to rich 1.000yr.