For the better or the worst the Albanian Politicians dont know how to play the game,if they could, serbia would be in deep shit..as much as dacic himself,...
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 18:14)
As a smart person what strategy should your Albanians adopt?
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 13:07)
No I was not referring to your financial status. I was making a general statement that to have a greater Albania you need the cash to support such an entity which Tirana clearly does not have.
If Kosovo has “a lot of resources” then the Communist would have exploited them. Yes there are companies that are interested but its mainly gas using the hydro fracturing method which extracts gas from coal seams, but uses highly toxic chemicals and poisons the watertable. As I have said many times before I can extract coal in Australia, wash, crush and transport it ti the port of Bari in Italy than you can by digging it Kosovo.
If you think Kosovo “got its impendence” because of Albanian Diaspora then dream on mate. It’s the US trying to control that entire region, especially with Russian gas coming on, but alas the US is to use your vernacular, fucked. Sorry about that one, I forgot that US going broke is a touchy subject with the Albanians.
Albania is a poor third world country and so what if it has the sea a n a little tourism. Ask the Slovens how they are going with their rich tourism.
Serbian policy has kept the status quo in Kosovo for a long time and that is the best strategy – sooner or later Kosovo is going to go boom. We don’t reward thieves so no changes in our policy.
As far as a 3 world war, don’t worry about that because the west is not interested.
you dont have to judge your own education...this is just a newspaper therefore i dont pay that much attention to the grammar where as the context itself...
For the better or the worst the Albanian Politicians dont know how to play the game,if they could, serbia would be in deep shit..as much as dacic himself,...
Well if i wouldnt have money then i wouldnt have the chance to study at "John Hopkins University and as you know all universities in the US cost quit a lot.the other option is I have to be fucking smart to get access to such a great education:)"
What an ignorant comment.
My, JohnS Hopkins has certainly lowered it academic standards if you have been admitted. You probably have never been to Baltimore, Maryland.
It is a small person who brags about their financial status and uses profanity to emphasize their intelligence.
You don't have to be rich to get student aide in the USA. You would know that if were telling the truth.
C'mon Ian, we all know who the Yanks consider Europeans. Certainly not the Balkan countries. They don't even know which countries they are.
To them Europe is Paris, London, Rome etc, but not Belgrade, Sarajevo, Zagreb and most definitely not Pristina.
So no, I don't buy your explanation and I don't think anyone else does.
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 12:02)
Sorry but you appear to have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinion.
Well if i wouldnt have money then i wouldnt have the chance to study at John Hopkins University and as you know all universities in the US cost quit a lot.the other option is I have to be fucking smart to get access to such a great education:). However I have heard that Albania and Kosovo have a lot of ressources, which the Germans and the US are interested to invest in. Albania has the see and tourism is increasing every year and apparently they found oil somewhere there and on the other hand Kosovo has coil and gold. last but not least the Albanian diaspora is huge. If they dont have money then i wonder how did Kosovo get its independence?
Exactly serbia keeps on going around circles because it has no strategy.It is also surprized by the albanians policy and diplomacy.
The only option left for serbia is to move on like germany did and focus on its economy and give all its minorities rights and the access to the market otherwise it looks bad for them. The last option that serbia can get itself out of shit is starting a war,which might be the 3rd world war and as we know from history serbia has always been a factor of such tragedies....
Hank the tank,
I have clearly stated more than once , unequivocally , that I am an Albanian. Since you're raising the topic, I was born and raised in Tirana, the capital of Albania. I don't see the need to pretend to be a Westerner, because I am very proud of my ethnic origin. But also , more importantly because I have learned to value people for their merits and characters, regardless of race, ethnicity, faith or sexual orientation.
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 11:49)
I don’t know what you’re studying at University but a simple rule to go by in life is if you have money you can do anything if you don’t then all you can do is talk, much like a greater Albania.
There are a couple of reasons why it will not happen. Firstly to enlarge Albania would automatically impoverish even further Tirana as it would then be obliged to build hospitals, schools, roads, provide social security etc. All this costs a pack of money just ask the Germans and how much they have spent do far integrating East Germany and still not succeeding. If you’re looking towards the EU or US giving money; that’s flight has left the tarmac as the EU and US are at various levels of going broke. Then there is the fear of a large Islamic state inside Europe. Even the US Ambassador told your Albanians in Presavo to pick out a different flag and not fly the Albanian national flag.
Serbia’s strategy is simple, keep going around in circles. As far as pressure from Tirana, Pristina and Skopje is concerned, they are rolling on the floor laughing in Belgrade. When the US can’t move Belgrade what chances are there for Tirana, Pristina or Skopje, three of the poorest in the Europe?
Exactly what Tomislav and Ivica wanted... This is carefully calculated to throw a bone to the the likes of Peggy and Ari Gold in order to draw the attention away from the substantial issue of the traitorous deeds they agreed with the "organ snatcher" in regards to Kosovo :)
(icj1, 21 January 2013 05:55)
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Nope, as happy as I am about the removal of this monstrosity, they don't get off the hook.
I still think they are crooked.
I like to wind Ari Gold up because he his from the US. However he likes to think he is a European Serb and I know it winds him up when I tell him that I'm pro-EU as he hates the EU.
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C'mon Ian, we all know who the Yanks consider Europeans. Certainly not the Balkan countries. They don't even know which countries they are.
To them Europe is Paris, London, Rome etc, but not Belgrade, Sarajevo, Zagreb and most definitely not Pristina.
So no, I don't buy your explanation and I don't think anyone else does.
Could you answer me the questions please?my english is not relevant as you uderstand my questions trizo and peggy im not trying to impress anyone, im just looking for answers to your goverments comments as they keep on contradicting themselves with what they say.
However i think if your diplomacy or strategy won`t change towards the international community and towards the albanians then the albanians are going to achieve what they are seeking for- BIG ALBANIA.
It is crazy how much pressure Tirana,Pristina and Skopje are making on serbia..where is the serbian diplomacy?To be nationalistic at the United Nations and its own countries won`t help you much to achieve your goals...
I don't agree with you that Albanians are parasites upon every society. Also people like you would be foolishly mistaken to ever assume that I would treat every non-Albanian better than every Albanian all because SOME Albanians are personally more likable than SOME non-Albanians.Truth be told I ain't sorry for keeping my distance and not doing "truly" special things for both Albanians & non-Albanians whose nature it is to be appalling or irritating.
"I suppose we're all the same to you lot".
Who is we? Why are you including yourself in the Balkan countries because you and I both know that the Yanks can tell the difference between English and foemer Yugoslavian person.
(Peggy, 20 January 2013 23:03)
Europeans.
I like to wind Ari Gold up because he his from the US. However he likes to think he is a European Serb and I know it winds him up when I tell him that I'm pro-EU as he hates the EU.
Hey Serbs Albanian People are taking notes for now, Time will come you serbs will regrat it mark my words
(Bahri, 21 January 2013 06:46)
And here I thought the Albanians were illiterate. You might start by tattooing your notes on your arse so you don’t forget.
What does Kosovo have? Minerals? None to speak of; water? Not enough for even their own numbers? Arable land? Not enough to feed their numbers; industry? What little exists are the left overs of the old Yugoslavia; is Kosovo a place that you have to cross to get to somewhere? No. Who has in the last 13 invested in Kosovo: no one. Why even that silly old battleaxe Albright or should I say Alldumb retracted her premature purchase of some crappy Albanian telephone company which includes horse and stage coaches.
And now even the US telling their allies that the monument in Presavo should be taken down, but there is even more. That same US dimwhit is telling his allies that they should not wave the Albanian flag; they should pick out something else to represent them. He also told the Albo that they cannot do a thing about what has taken place today.
Yes the mighty Kosovars has the upper hand in these discussions. Yep keep telling that to yourselves. Its 2013 not 1999 – the times are a changing.
holly crab... that is perfect way when people get all f...up when the truth doesn't come out from the people who really knows what really happen in ex-Yugoslavia so people can start to learn how to forgive and forget not teaching new generation how to hate or kill each other ...way to go BALKAN no doubt people cant go or get close or compare cultural, economical etc with other western country's in reality im feeling sorry for all of you who become the shovel of the others nothing more...hopefully one day all of you will wake up from the bad DREAM..PEACE
No he is not. He's albanian prettending to be a westerner like all other comments made by so called americans, germans etc. You albanians are truly a sad bunch.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Who are you trying to kid that you're a student at JHU?
Your English is sub-standard and no decent university would accept your level of English as satisfactory.
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:08)
i would have used some 50 cal or maybe 25mm, it's just me
"The names of our heroes will always live with us" ...
(Shkoder, 20 January 2013 21:45)
Pure lie Shkoder:
Your leader George Maniakes earn minimum 3 monument:
1. Sicily is second Albo home.
2. Drach first time he comm to the Balkan (1042)
3. Ohrid Greaks complette destroy his military.
Did you build any monument at any place for your leader #1
George Maniakes is turning every yr. (or 981 times) in Ohrid without monument. Arnaut will be very happy if Tirana build one for them.
What can i say, the law won and it shall continue to do, Serbia kept its word and the albanian UCVRC showed that their terrorist organization work for the wrong picture. And Kosovo politicians are really retarded with their comments when Americans dont tell them what to say. I think Americans regret that they helped them. Now that they see that they are stupid..
When was it? More than a hundred years ago? I think that in several hundreds years people will tolerate monuments to anybody from our generation.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2013 21:44)
There uis a reason why USA is called United States of America. Basicly, every state is seperate and each has their own laws... only thing that keeps them together is the "common interest," hence, your argument is a total fail!!
(GVUK, 20 January 2013 21:59)
I apologize... didn't know that the property rights don't apply in Serbia's towns because Serbia is not called "United States of Serbia".
Anyway, I was not saying that Presevo is the same as Texas... I just showed that the statement that somebody made that "I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that" is false.
Clearly is seen that the removal of this lapidary has pleased the general opinion in Serbia. In all Serbian electronic forums it is said that they are feeling Uplifted; Perked; Chuffed and Overjoyed.
(cipi ipic PRISHTINA, 20 January 2013 21:12)
Exactly what Tomislav and Ivica wanted... This is carefully calculated to throw a bone to the the likes of Peggy and Ari Gold in order to draw the attention away from the substantial issue of the traitorous deeds they agreed with the "organ snatcher" in regards to Kosovo :)
The monument was awful but thought this government would have supported it staying because of their pro separatist policies. I would actually like to see an anti separatist policy.
Burn in hell serbs...you will pay one day I promise!
(KOSOVO, 20 January 2013 16:42)
No we won’t. Three reasons; first is the western windbags are no longer in a position to help you; second its not a very good look for the Thaci to have burning churches in Kosovo being televised around the world and third NATO may have to open live fire on your lot.
Ahh outwitted again by the brilliant Serbs – its like shooting fish in a barrel. Don’t you get tired of getting nowhere even with the western might propping you up?
hope you try something so that I can come back and see you running like rats again just like you did 1999, oh happy days where have you gone!
(Daniel, 20 January 2013 16:56)
Daniel you would do us a great favor if you can repeat this every day. Make sure you capitalize it and use bold letters. We need more non-Serb eyes to see the views of the average Serb and how they dehumanize a whole nation.
@tiranaboy- what are you talking about dude? There are Greek monuments down south for their combatants. Last month the Greek ambassador even went and visited. It was all over the news as the golden down idiots had made some threats from Athens. There's monuments for the Brits, Italians and Germans too. Mind you these Greeks shelled the houses in the city of Korce and Pogradec without any concern, not to talk about rapes and murders. These from the same people that ethnically cleansed our people.
Also in the villages of Shkoder we are keeping a whole school open for about 5 ethnic Serb children. We are financing schools for the Macedonians and Greeks as well. We have all these minorities in our parliament, government our universities etc. They are an integral part of the fabric of our society. Name me one country in the region where Albanians enjoy the same status, Macedonia excluded. We had to go to war to get it.. As a matter of fact our former prime minister Pandeli Majko is of Macedonian origins. We are too nice with nothing to show for in return.
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Alas it saddens me to say that having any American talk about laws is much like Hannibal Lecher discussing veganism.
Which laws have the US followed? Perhaps its the human rights on treatment of prisoners in Abu Grahib prison in Iraq, you know the place we had the Iraqis chained like dogs or my favourite, the one with a KKK style hood on a chair.
This monument for erected glorfying terrorists and nobody would have it on their soil and you know it.
-- Fighting against a dictator is an act of freedom. You Serbs should build these guys a monument. It is because of us Albanians that you no longer have a corrupt dictator like Milosevic in power today. It is only because us Albanians, the Croats, Slovenians, and Bosnians rose up that you Serbs don't live in a dictatorship today. We brought you freedom. Those people in that monument brought you freedom. Just because you were ok living under Milosevic's dictatorship doesn't mean that others should have kept quiet and not fought against his terrorist forces. We did not tolerate his terrorist dictatorial regime, you did.
Considering the recent history everything went exceptionally peacefully today. Both sides avoided useless acts. Congratulations. Next they must sit down and talk about how to go forward.
What's the big deal about all this? What else you would expect from the current goverment of Serbia? The country will continue to spiral into debt and minorities will get the blame for it.
This issue of a monument could have been resolved differently, but by Balkan standards it went really well.
Both star of the day politicians, Thaqi and Tadiq now should be awarded with shared Noble peace awards for their maturity they have shown in building bridges between themselfs and srewing up both Albanian and Serbian communities.
Dear Brandon,
thank you for giving such a decent comment about that Jew extremist named Ari Gold. You have summarized what many here wanted to saw. Instead of thanking Albanians for saving his predecessors during WWII he is trying to be more radical serb than serbs themselves!
200+ armed police with armored vehicles for removing a monument of stone and automatic rifles, machine guns pointed at all directions like in war situation. Is this democratic Serbia? The Albanians there are also citizens of Serbia and you can not behave with them as you are in a military state aka North Korea style. Where in Europe can you see in 2013 such actions to intimidate the minorities. If the government of Serbia thought the monument was illegal and against the law open the court case and remove it as you remove anything illegal in the territory of Serbia. I can not imagine our police and special military in Albania to go to the minority areas armed to the teeth for a bunch of stones. Sorry Serbs you brought to us feeling of more ten years ago and those can be hardly faded away soon.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
thank you (indeed.)
robert leonard rope
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
Thank you very much for unequivocally confirming that your goal was never to promote human rights and freedom(for example you could have done it by asking 200.000 Kosovo Serbs to return,rebuild their churches,punish the perpetrators of over 1000 killed Serbs since 1999) but help to promote Greater Albanian fascism and agression!
To bad Kosovo will never become an independent state but will legally as long as UN1244 is in force stay a Serbian province!
As far as Presevo is concerned you can only dream about it...
Albanians,get the hell out of our country,you disgusting savages,wherever you are there is war,murder,plundering,rape and fascism!
You are parasites upon every society!
This seems to me, more an INVASION on a foreign territoy than a normal police operation.. i mean where in the world you need this amount of forces, like: armored vehicles, 200 heavy armed special forces and the army in stand by etc. just to take down a monument..?!!
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Exactly. Why do you think thei much force was needed? If Albanians were a reasonable lot then Serbia would not need to send this force to secure safety of people removing it.
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2013 13:30)
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Finally!!! You finally admit you are Albanian.
"I suppose we're all the same to you lot".
Who is we? Why are you including yourself in the Balkan countries because you and I both know that the Yanks can tell the difference between English and foemer Yugoslavian person.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Do you apply this equally to the albanians who refuse to allow the 200,000 people they cleansed to return over a decade later and ignore the blind eye turned by Brussels and western powers about this? If not, then you are a hypocrite.
Serbia removes a monument in "Serbia" and albanians complain? if you don't like it, move back to Albania and have a monument there. Also, what about our Serbian churches that were destroyed? TURKS didn't touch one church and in the early' 2000's you peasants destroy our churches and continue to do youthful acts by throwing rocks and harming young children / old people..
You idiots are fueling the fire and no western country will protect you.. Finally, all the attacks against the serbian people is being broadcasted on the NEWS, so that the whole world can see what kind of savages you are..
Props for Belgrade for doing something and for standing up against terrorism.
Up until now, i have not supported the movement of separation for albanians in the south of serbia. the continuing balkanization, etc. i have always argued that every country is multi ethnic to some degree and needs to learn in some healthy ways how to deal with that. we have no other choice, except for endless war and bloodshed.
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What a load of BS. You are the biggest supporter of "Kosova" there is.
When did you say that nobody should separate? Oh yeah, you are in favour of intertoritarial integrity of Bosnia but all in favour of Serbia splitting up by cheering for "Kosova".
You're such a hypocrite and a liar.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
This is what the outside world thinks of this terrorist monument:
"Its presence is unnecessary and inappropriate and brings back old tensions which now belong to the past, Deniau said in an interview for the Thursday edition of Politika."
http://www.tanjug.rs/news/72389/deniau--presevo-monument-internal-issue.htm
Was it actually necessary for you to tell Willi to shut up?? If I interpreted your comments correctly I believe you're saying that nothing can be done will regard to the removal of that monument to glorify some Albanian "hero" or "heroes" but in all fairness if Kosovar-Serbs erected a monument(s) of Serb "heroes" that are actually war criminals in the eyes of ethnic Albanians then would you agree that Kosovar authorities are justified in tearing down such a monument(s)?
(visitor to Plymouth,Minnesota,USA, 20 January 2013 16:15)
It all depends on what these monuments are. If it was a monument to commemorate Arkan or some other Serb warlord I would be the first in line calling for its removal. However cultural, religious and historical monuments like churches, gravestones and such dont merit getting smashed and destroyed.
and telling Willi to shut up. Well this guy is like a broken record that I just snapped. Sorry about that. I just cant stand WUMmers and nationalist trolls from both sides.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
thank you (indeed.)
robert leonard rope
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
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Always looking for an excuse, arne't you Robdrto?
This monument for erected glorfying terrorists and nobody would have it on their soil and you know it.
Stop being such a hypocrite. You can justify ANYTHING done by Albanians can't you, but who cares. You can support or not support anything you like but even your beloved US has said this was an internal matter. Are you going to go up against this too? Do you now disagree with the US?
So Robert, you can scream as much as you like but nobody is listening this time.
"Lets turn down all serbs institution in Kosovo as they are illegal institutions."
@(Ilirian, 20 January 2013 17:53)
When Serbs created legal institution there,Your primitive people work for Greaks as military to against Roman in the Sicily at that time.
In Texas, in front of the state capitol, there is a monument to those who killed american soldiers. Why ? Because that's the decision of the local authorities there. The same way that if the local authorities in Presevo, North Kosovo or whatever decide tomorrow to build a momument of their liking in their municipality's owned land, there is not much that Belgrade or Kosovo's government can do, respectively :)
(icj1, 20 January 2013 18:43)
Texas is a State!!! where as Presevo is a town.
There uis a reason why USA is called United States of America. Basicly, every state is seperate and each has their own laws... only thing that keeps them together is the "common interest," hence, your argument is a total fail!!
Clearly is seen that the removal of this lapidary has pleased the general opinion in Serbia. In all Serbian electronic forums it is said that they are feeling Uplifted; Perked; Chuffed and Overjoyed.
Firstly this is the best way you are showing your gratitude to other minorities.
Secondly this show how weakened, exhausted, uncertain and afraid is Serbia in relation to her future.
And thirdly with this action Serbia has nothing solve with Albanians, only has more complicated coexistence with them.
Step by step and definitely Serbia is becoming the biggest enemy of herself. A near future will testify this. We Albanians must live through this time when everything hurts for us. But life comes with no guarantees or promises for you, too. The sunny days of contentment can only be truly appreciated through the dark gloomy nights of despair. For without these actions of Serbia toward us, nobody would never really know what the Serbia's chauvinistic regime toward Albanians was for more than 100 years.
And for without sadness, we would never really know what it is like to be truly happy and free.
The names of our heroes will always live with us , removing a stone wont intimidate us but will only make us stronger, stay strong my Albanian brothers as they will always be remembered and no enemy can fade that away from us.
This seems to me, more an INVASION on a foreign territoy than a normal police operation.. i mean where in the world you need this amount of forces, like: armored vehicles, 200 heavy armed special forces and the army in stand by etc. just to take down a monument..?!! Is this o show of force or of weakness? I think this show how weak serbia in this party of territory is.. Taking away a piece of stone doesn't mean nothing, a new one can be build.. You cannot restore your authority in this way, you lose it this way. Today you guys have lost again. You proved once again that you haven't changed, you're the same thugs that you were before, uncivilised and inhumane, that instead of finding solution through dialogue you prefer using force.. It's thanks of our peaciful behaving that nothing happend today in Presheva, but this will not last for too long.. We albanians sometimes don't know if we have to laugh at and thank you, or to pity you..
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
LOL oh great. Another useless and fruitless project for you to support with irrational emotion solely and exclusively on internet chat sites from the confines of your computer in frisco :)
Well staged provocation that worked vey well. Serbia one more time showed the world her racist face and double standards. It showed the world that she is not ready to give to her Albanian minority not even 1/3 of what she wants for for her Serbian minority in Kosova.
This act will speed up the process of the negotiations about the north Kosova and the Presheva vally.
Intenrational communitie's double standard bordering with racist policy must end. You cannot use NATO troops to stop ROSU from establishing the rule of law in her own sovreign territory http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=22&nav_id=83287 but allow the Serbian Jandarmery to remove a legal symbo that legitimate city council has build and legalised according to the laws of the country they live in.
As Willi said this will bring the Presheva valley on the negotiation table or ROSU will move.
And a small advice for you Serbs: don not have any illusions that NATO/KFOR will protect you forever. One day soon they will give up of their double standards and will give the green light: or Kosova will go north or it will go east.
"The reason they did it that way, is that; they will have to place it intact once again and will be displayed just like before.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 January 2013 12:16)
Did you know on wich place monument will go to be visible to the public?
a whole army to remove a monument on which were the names of the victims killed by state violence of (Miosevic-Dacic), everywhere in the world regardless of the state system for monuments in each municipality decides the lokal government, but not government....Serbia shame of Balkans.
Everybody must obey the law, whatever nationality they are.
(Mike, 20 January 2013 18:26)
It is good you feel that way as UNSC 1244 mandated that UNMIK turn authorities to the government of Pristina, that North Kosovo Serbs are bound to follow the laws of the government of Kosovo(whether you want to call it a republic or province). Unless the editors editted part of your comment that said with the exception of Serbs.
The truth my friends is that the world is sick and tired of our constant fighting in the Balkans about territories with names that most people can't even pronounce. So if anyone believes that the world is interested in the human rights of some Albanians living in some unknown valley that are supposedly violated, then that person must be hallucinating. The world and especially the West simply does not give a damn. Our region has become geopolitically insignificant and now it's up to us balkan people to find a way to coexist without foreign interventions. But that mission seems impossible.
One Question , Why Albanians build the monument before the meeting in Brussels ? Than Border and Customs. Dacic said you have to give somthing too to get Kosova !! Well that's what we gave (Monument).This was all prearranged. With the blessing of Belgrade,Prishtina,Tirana and US,EU.Politicians will play politics and people in both sides will bla-bla-blah and Kosova is on its own.Albanians finally learned the business.
I warmly hope that some comments from albanian side are written by children. Maybe children who live in Germany or in the USA, it doesn't matter, but children. I can't live thinking that adults can really think and argue in such simple and naive way. It remembers me the quarrels at elementary school...Please, dear albanian friends if you really want a "monument" I think serbian authorities will not object anything if it's about Skanderbeg or an albanian writer or poet... but not such a controversial monster. a little good sense and everything can go smoothly! and Willi, if you are german me I am from Congo !
Up until now, i have not supported the movement of separation for albanians in the south of serbia. the continuing balkanization, etc. i have always argued that every country is multi ethnic to some degree and needs to learn in some healthy ways how to deal with that. we have no other choice, except for endless war and bloodshed.
but serbia really presents a special case. we expected great changes in serbia after we brought down slobo - after all the hell that been unleashed (mainly)from belgrade - the endless destruction, killing, raping, forced deportations, forced misery. yes i am one of many individuals who has helped to document those horrors, but it was all too late, all after the fact...
it appears now to me (and of course for some time) that serbia has no intention of changing. the 'changes' were bare window dressing, or ones essentially forced upon them (like giving up a handful of evil criminals to the hague.) otherwise i don't see any signs of real change for the better, and for better or worse, most of my frnds inside serbia agree.
some of them voted for cedi, but i think most voted "white." in any case, they were and are depressed and dispirited.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
Once again somebody is trying to copy the 90's scenario. Thanks god Serbia has changed and the new president will not allow repeating the past mistakes.
If it were for PM Mr.Dacic, Serbia would have been in the same situation as before.
Fortunately enought, there seems to be the new man in the game, Mr. Vucic who will not have it.
I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that?
(sale, 20 January 2013 15:46)
In Texas, in front of the state capitol, there is a monument to those who killed american soldiers. Why ? Because that's the decision of the local authorities there. The same way that if the local authorities in Presevo, North Kosovo or whatever decide tomorrow to build a momument of their liking in their municipality's owned land, there is not much that Belgrade or Kosovo's government can do, respectively :)
"And to my knowledge, the monument wasn't destroyed but moved."
Smart Serb moved this stone nice and easy. Olso stone will travel to the city Drach,
reason ? by 2042 Greaks, Serbs and Albanians will make big celebration to the original Albo leader George Maniakes who com from Sicily with all Albos 1.000 ago. He deserve monument for that time, congratulations to all and peace in the Balkan.
“Serbia has shown enough patience but it has also sent a clear and firm message that the law needs to be respected and that nobody is more powerful than the state,” he told Tanjug.
LOL, for a county to be represented by Dacic as a "state" you truly should be shameful.
I would be embarrassed to relate to this dude in any way, but anywho, st... is st.. does, we're used to it, but continue to ignore it.
they should be happy the serbs were respectful to this terrorist monument.the serbs should have smashed this to the ground like the croats did in bosnia with bosniak terrorist monument
To get rid of a monument like this is easy. To integrate the minorities and respect their rights is a real challenge. Serbia (not alone in the Balkans) has clearly failed on this! Otherwise no Albanians would look back in time and erect a statue that it seemed it has provoked the authorities in Belgrade.
This just shows that the local Albanian authorities and politicians have no power. They should all resign in protest. If they don't resign, they will look like puppets and no Albanian will respect their authority. Albanians want no more freedom than Serbs in Kosovo receive. Serbia builds its biggest military base in Presheva, knocks down our monuments and says that we are provoking THEM? The greatest fault lies with the international community for dismissing this as an internal issue, it's not. I'ts a human rights issue and a minority is constantly under provocation from the serbian government. But then again what did you expect? Dacic was Milosevics pawn.
This typically shows that absolutely nothing changed in Serbia. The Milosevic's 'puppy' is ruling with the same mentality as his master did. It's so sad to see that Serbia (who aspires to join the civilized EU nations and claiming super status for 3% Serb minority in Kosovo) is celebrating with joy the destruction of a monument dedicated to those Albanians who died for justice and equality. Shame to Serbian Government, this is not the way to EU. This is not the way you should treat Albanian minority in Serbia. Reciprocity with Serbian minority in Kosovo is a must!
(Citizen of EU, 20 January 2013 14:03)
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Died for justice and equality my ass, they died because they were terrorists that tried to create an greater albania on serbian territory and thats the reason why the monument was removed. No gloryfing monuments of terrorists that killed serb policemen on serbian territory you moron, that you can have in Tirana not in SERBIA, I hope at least now you understand that.
And you are the last ones that should be talking about reciprocity, you have been destroying churches and monesterys and everything that is serbian in KOsovo for more than a decade and yet you have the nerve to talk about some kind of reciprocity???I hope you try something so that I can come back and see you running like rats again just like you did 1999, oh happy days where have you gone!
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
This is the way that you have treated CHURCHES and MONESTERYS, let alone monuments the last 10 years. So please just shut ur mouth!Is already happening everyday, this is just a small payback.
Ari Gold,
You are a racist. Your rants about Albanians are the only thing one has to read.
You accuse albanians for all sort of crimes, yet turn your head around in front of Serbian ones.Unfortunately for you all Serbian Crimes are on video footage, from Dubrovnik, Srebrenica to Kosovo. All massive graves, rapes, ethnic cleansing. It's your people that with their actions brought us fresh reminders, that how barbaric human beings could be. And worst, you have not apologize for them yet, neither paid reparations. I am beginning to thing that another conflict in region is unavoidable, after all who does not remember history is condemned to repeat it. Unfortunately for you , your neighbors have not forgotten it. You will not have as adversary unarmed civilians, elderly, women and children anymore.
Was it actually necessary for you to tell Willi to shut up?? If I interpreted your comments correctly I believe you're saying that nothing can be done will regard to the removal of that monument to glorify some Albanian "hero" or "heroes" but in all fairness if Kosovar-Serbs erected a monument(s) of Serb "heroes" that are actually war criminals in the eyes of ethnic Albanians then would you agree that Kosovar authorities are justified in tearing down such a monument(s)?
LOL well the "war" that was promised in response to removing this stupid monument apparently never happened and moved to the B92 comment section. Look, for ever trigger happy member of the Albanian diaspora in Western Europe and North America and their overly emotional and highly uninformed German sympathizers (I'm talking to you Willi) screaming for revenge in Kosovo shows not only how immature you are but how clueless you still are. The removal of the monument came after it was pretty damn clear the international community didn't want to get involved. NO ONE thought about intervening on the Albanian side. The Presevo Albanians were running around desperate for help. They went as low as to beg Berisha. When he realized he could do no more than utter something stupid about Albanian nationalism, they made a last desperate attempt at getting Thaci involved. When America told him to stay quiet, they still had time to remove it themselves. Sorry but they had plenty of time to negotiate but when the response is basically "F*ck you we do what we want and if you try something we'll start a war", then you know this was a clear and open provocation.
And to my knowledge, the monument wasn't destroyed but moved. Something that would never happen in the independent lala land of Kosovo where Serb monuments have been repeatedly destroyed down to the foundation in an attempt to erase all history.
I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that?
Albanians trying to provoke the situation in Preševo are trying to repeat the strategy they used to get international support for their Kosovo project.
It will not work this time.
Also, it calls into question the policy that some countries have to support the udi attempt in Kosovo.
Perhaps this current plot will help reveal to the US and to others the deeper truth about Kosovo, which is that good peaceful Serbian people (including some of my personal friends) feel hurt by the way in which they were driven out of Kosovo by Albanian neighbours, long before the time of Milosevic.
Thanks for leading the way Serbia as it makes sense you dont want fascist formations having monuments in your country. We in BIH will do the same and remove all ustasa and cetnik monuments created by ethnic cleansing and genocide. Long live Anti-Fascism!
Willi, Hans, or whatever they may call themselves... they are all little albanian kids, pretending to be germans in order to provoke serbian cursing against other nations... but it should be clear that there is no german even interested in the albanians at all.
actually, our dear k-albanian friends haven´t understood that it is a sign of mental poverty to erect monuments to criminals. that alone is an indicator of how miserable they actually are.
and those threats are like dog-barking...
last but not least, I can´t wait for Willi and Hans to write about how german they are and how low-leveled "the Serbs" are.
Albanians are aiming to replace the war memorial tomorrow..instead of concrete they will use flowers! Much better way to remember the bravery &sacrifices of their followen compratiots.
Wonder what Serbia armed police responce to flowers would be?
This typically shows that absolutely nothing changed in Serbia. The Milosevic's 'puppy' is ruling with the same mentality as his master did. It's so sad to see that Serbia (who aspires to join the civilized EU nations and claiming super status for 3% Serb minority in Kosovo) is celebrating with joy the destruction of a monument dedicated to those Albanians who died for justice and equality. Shame to Serbian Government, this is not the way to EU. This is not the way you should treat Albanian minority in Serbia. Reciprocity with Serbian minority in Kosovo is a must!
Yea Well Done!
That horrible monument is finally removed!
@albanians
Well if you don't like living in Serbia move back to Albania!
in fact you are 19th C colonists in Presevo
And go on threaten the Serbs in Kosovo destroy some more churches..
When the time comes you will pay for anyway
And Kosovo will be 100% Serbian again without these ugly mosques and filthy terrorist monuments!
Sorry my fellow albanians, but i couldn't tolerate a monument for the "Greek Heros" in Himara in south or macedonian "humanists" in the East. The same standart applies to Serbia. Is Belgrade right to remove the monument, we have nothing to say that time....
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2013 13:30)
LOL at least you don't hide your racism and your disdain for Serbs anymore. I thank you for finally coming clean about the kind of person you are. It must be a sad day a monument to your heroes was removed. But don't worry your heroes will react as I said, rape, 20 on 1 physical assaults and desecrating graves.
You are full of it! I don't see any objections from Eu states. Besides we have seen how tolerant you albanians were when serbs went to kosovo to celebrare Christmas. Serbian flags and other symbols were confiscated or destoyed by albanian police and our president was prevented from celebrating Christmas. We have seen how tollerant you are.
Serbia will have to pay a big price for this. With this stupid decision the situation of the Albanians in the Presevo valley becomes part of the overall Serbia-Kosovo problem. From now on their situation, there civil rights conditions will be part of the conflict. Serbia furthermore will have severe problems with its European agenda. No European country has problems of minorities displaying their symbols. Serbs can't deny their own minorities the same right that they ask other countries to give Serb minorities in their borders. A very dumb, very shortsighted move with huge consequences
(Willi Pfaff, 20 January 2013 11:28)
Oh shut up Willi. Nobody will pay 'a high price' for this. Too much blood has been spilled. The monument in the public square was a stupid act to elicit a deliberate provocation from the authorities and it did not work. The French ambassador said 2 weeks ago that this was an internal issue for Beograd and I agree. Face it, the council did not get permission to plonk this in the central square. Let the monument be placed in a garden and people can pay their respects there.
Minorities (myself included) dont have any such problems in Serbia as long as you obey the law like everyone else, Serbs included. Hungarians for example are free to use their symbols, wave their flags, observe their holidays and traditions, speak their language and have their own schools here in Vojvodina with full support from the Government. Same with Slovaks, Romanians and Croats.
Guys you need to calm down, it's not good for your souls having that much hate. I wonder why B92 is not reporting that the Albaninan leaders of Preshevo, Bujanoc and Medvegja agreed yesterday to remove the monument to a different place.
(Mendo, 20 January 2013 12:42)
Mendo, they had enough time to relocate monument, why did they wait last moment?
An Albanian response is inevitable. We will see how many desecrated graves, rapes and 20 on 1 physical assaults there will be when they hear about this.
Albanian tactics baby, second to none.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:04)
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
No it’s not a problem at all. In fact the silly Albanians just don’t get it at all that they have missed the boat. No one is going to even raise the issue at all. This is 2013 not 1999.
Oh yes, the world human rights movement – if you haven’t heard it they disgraced themselves a long time ago in places like Iraq and Abu Grahib prison. No one cares any more, not even the US.
Serbs in Kosovo fly Serbian flags because its Serbia.
Its obvious that Dacic had already 'negotiated' its removal with the US and EU and that Kosovo Albanians at talks would not object much beyond the odd platitude for television cameras.
For me personally there is a limit to the right for local people to decide what statue to errect, particularly if they involve controversial warrior type figures.
I can not stand Dacic and Vucic. However, this was done in a very professional manner, no damage to terrorist monument was made. If it was me, I would have used dynamite and destroyed the monument the same way how Albanians would do if it was Serbian monument. Well done for Serbia!
I laugh whole heartedly at the comments of albanians, and i would do so constantly if it wasnt for the fact that i remembered they will probably attack serbian elders, chilren or monuments for this, in the land that has belonged to serbia since long before the Turks created the albanians for their divide and rule tactic. Their 'struggle for human rights' is the same one that Nazis who find it unreasonable they can't wear swastikas on their jackets have, as well as pedophiles who think they are being arrested 'for being who they are'. If you thnk that a country practicing government on its territory is a provocation then please do attack it
Nothing wrong with this. Serbia has every right to remove a monument to terrorists. If the Albanians don't like it they can feel free to move back to Albania.
What would USA do if Muslims tried to erect a monument to the guys that flew the planes during the 9/11? Serbs just made a mistake not removing it right away.
Guys you need to calm down, it's not good for your souls having that much hate. I wonder why B92 is not reporting that the Albaninan leaders of Preshevo, Bujanoc and Medvegja agreed yesterday to remove the monument to a different place.
I do not think there will be much stink about this monument anymore. the monument was not destroyed, but will be moved to a more appropriate location, like a courtyard of a mosque, or Islam cultural center. This was even condoned by Tirana and Pristina, with the blessing of the international community. There may be some hot heads in Presevo that will cry bloody murder, attack on civil rights, threaten reprisals, the usual, but it will die quickly as they will get little support from Albanian leaders. Hopefully everyone has matured a little from this monument experience. Peace to all.
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:08)
The reason they did it that way, is that; they will have to place it intact once again and will be displayed just like before. It does not have to be in same spot, since the excuse is that is government owned property. But, this act will coast Serbs dearly, it will come slowly but surely. Stay tune Ari.
Finaly! Well done boys, and while here, I would like to thank our gendarmerie for their action.
As for the statement given by the retired terrorist in which he spills the threats about unification Southern part Serbia with Kosovo, which is another part of Serbia of course, I would just like to tell him to go ahead with it.
But I smell that this was just an empty threat since it seems that Albanian terrorists lost their support from the "western super masters" :).
Now, I can bet all the money I have that Albanians have no guts nor courage to launch another war against Serbia without support from the USA and EU. It is easy to wage the war when NATO keeps your back and fight on the behalf of you. But, dear Albos do keep in mind that NATO's support is lost for good and those days of your rampage are past.
You needed 200 armed killing machines to take a few bricks down? It must of been real intimidating for them, following orders of brute force against a wall.
Last time Milo said "they will not beat you" and you got hurt, and now this thing about "they will not offend you", and most likely you will be humiliated.
Albanians should build this thing every week. The Serbs will go bankrupt within a month of transporting and paying for the walking killing machines, to take away walls.
I am sorry I was spitting on the German people when I was criticizing you a couple days ago. You are clearly an Albanian pretending to be German because not one German on this planet (other than Angela Merkel perhaps) gives a damn about some Presevo monument.
And now your mad as hell and you say the "Serbs will pay for this" not the State of Serbia but the Serbian people. And we all know how you intend on seeing that through don't we? Rape, organ extraction, desecrating graves and getting you and 20 of your cousins to find a 80 year old Serb to gang up on.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
LOL you want to know the difference? Your monument was glorifying Muslim terrorists and our monuments and monasteries on Kosovo i Metohija are the oldest things standing in the Holy Province. That was your goal anyway, to erase history because you know nothing you have built in Kosovo i Metohija is older than what we have standing there, only uglier.
I see too many comments writing just nothing because they are not propaply educated. It does not mean anything that some saying that Albanian couldn't have any contrat with USA. USA in 1999 gave you some present and they can make the same again it needs just 5 minutes and serbia will be Kosovo land, or Big Albanian which very soon will be.
They took off the monument but soon next one will be. Do not give your self so happy words.
“Serbia has shown enough patience but it has also sent a clear and firm message that the law needs to be respected and that nobody is more powerful than the state,” he told Tanjug.
In real democracies the highest sovereign are the people. But maybe he was ill, when it came to the french revolution in his history lessons...
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
You help to illustrate the difference between Serbs and Albanians.
You Albanians desecrate/burn/destroy our churches and graves (of the dead) in Serbia and we do not do the same back to you by destroying Mosques and graves of your dead people (because we clearly are not primitive like you and have respect).
Then when we remove a terrorist monument to the Albanian people who fought against the state of Serbia, you tell us about how many unrelated monuments you will destroy.
The only thing that is 100% is that I do not doubt you and your race. You will retaliate by destroying all sorts of things Serbian.
the brave and heroic albanians really stood by their words... the resistance they showed was unbearable! wow!
hahahaha take that piece of S**t to the garbage! the people who honestly thought ANY country in this world would allow a monument to be built in their country by the people who killed their people are actually fully retarded... i mean stop for a while, get over the fact that your albanian AND THINK! there was no chance in hell any monument of this sort would go untouched.
albanians need to stop playing the victim card, and SDFU already. no one gives a s**t if you think the whole world is yours. you are not the victim if you put yourself in these positions. do not provoke and start s**t...seriously... even america is tired of your bs
if i were you guys tho id just be thanking Dacic for allowing that piece of s**t of a monument to be up for that long... if i were in charge that thing would go down in a matters of hours
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
Finally, better late than never though. Just goes to show how these albanians are all talk, doesn't seem like there was any resistance so much for these cowards being ready for war, I think the site of 200 Zandarmerija officers made them soil themselves.
An Albanian response is inevitable. We will see how many desecrated graves, rapes and 20 on 1 physical assaults there will be when they hear about this.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
Serbia will have to pay a big price for this. With this stupid decision the situation of the Albanians in the Presevo valley becomes part of the overall Serbia-Kosovo problem. From now on their situation, there civil rights conditions will be part of the conflict. Serbia furthermore will have severe problems with its European agenda. No European country has problems of minorities displaying their symbols, and the Serbs in Kosovo certainly do the same thing. They have Serbian flags flying everywhere, do whatever they want, build barricades when their ideas are not recognized, throw bombs, and shoot policeman. With this dumb move the situation of the Albanians in Serbia will move into the focus of the world, and from now on their human rights situation will be part of the discussion. Serbs can't deny their own minorities the same right that they ask other countries to give Serb minorities in their borders. A very dumb, very shortsighted move with huge consequences
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
An Albanian response is inevitable. We will see how many desecrated graves, rapes and 20 on 1 physical assaults there will be when they hear about this.
Finally, better late than never though. Just goes to show how these albanians are all talk, doesn't seem like there was any resistance so much for these cowards being ready for war, I think the site of 200 Zandarmerija officers made them soil themselves.
Nothing wrong with this. Serbia has every right to remove a monument to terrorists. If the Albanians don't like it they can feel free to move back to Albania.
What would USA do if Muslims tried to erect a monument to the guys that flew the planes during the 9/11? Serbs just made a mistake not removing it right away.
Serbia will have to pay a big price for this. With this stupid decision the situation of the Albanians in the Presevo valley becomes part of the overall Serbia-Kosovo problem. From now on their situation, there civil rights conditions will be part of the conflict. Serbia furthermore will have severe problems with its European agenda. No European country has problems of minorities displaying their symbols. Serbs can't deny their own minorities the same right that they ask other countries to give Serb minorities in their borders. A very dumb, very shortsighted move with huge consequences
(Willi Pfaff, 20 January 2013 11:28)
Oh shut up Willi. Nobody will pay 'a high price' for this. Too much blood has been spilled. The monument in the public square was a stupid act to elicit a deliberate provocation from the authorities and it did not work. The French ambassador said 2 weeks ago that this was an internal issue for Beograd and I agree. Face it, the council did not get permission to plonk this in the central square. Let the monument be placed in a garden and people can pay their respects there.
Minorities (myself included) dont have any such problems in Serbia as long as you obey the law like everyone else, Serbs included. Hungarians for example are free to use their symbols, wave their flags, observe their holidays and traditions, speak their language and have their own schools here in Vojvodina with full support from the Government. Same with Slovaks, Romanians and Croats.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
LOL you want to know the difference? Your monument was glorifying Muslim terrorists and our monuments and monasteries on Kosovo i Metohija are the oldest things standing in the Holy Province. That was your goal anyway, to erase history because you know nothing you have built in Kosovo i Metohija is older than what we have standing there, only uglier.
Serbia will have to pay a big price for this. With this stupid decision the situation of the Albanians in the Presevo valley becomes part of the overall Serbia-Kosovo problem. From now on their situation, there civil rights conditions will be part of the conflict. Serbia furthermore will have severe problems with its European agenda. No European country has problems of minorities displaying their symbols, and the Serbs in Kosovo certainly do the same thing. They have Serbian flags flying everywhere, do whatever they want, build barricades when their ideas are not recognized, throw bombs, and shoot policeman. With this dumb move the situation of the Albanians in Serbia will move into the focus of the world, and from now on their human rights situation will be part of the discussion. Serbs can't deny their own minorities the same right that they ask other countries to give Serb minorities in their borders. A very dumb, very shortsighted move with huge consequences
Finaly! Well done boys, and while here, I would like to thank our gendarmerie for their action.
As for the statement given by the retired terrorist in which he spills the threats about unification Southern part Serbia with Kosovo, which is another part of Serbia of course, I would just like to tell him to go ahead with it.
But I smell that this was just an empty threat since it seems that Albanian terrorists lost their support from the "western super masters" :).
Now, I can bet all the money I have that Albanians have no guts nor courage to launch another war against Serbia without support from the USA and EU. It is easy to wage the war when NATO keeps your back and fight on the behalf of you. But, dear Albos do keep in mind that NATO's support is lost for good and those days of your rampage are past.
Sorry my fellow albanians, but i couldn't tolerate a monument for the "Greek Heros" in Himara in south or macedonian "humanists" in the East. The same standart applies to Serbia. Is Belgrade right to remove the monument, we have nothing to say that time....
No it’s not a problem at all. In fact the silly Albanians just don’t get it at all that they have missed the boat. No one is going to even raise the issue at all. This is 2013 not 1999.
Oh yes, the world human rights movement – if you haven’t heard it they disgraced themselves a long time ago in places like Iraq and Abu Grahib prison. No one cares any more, not even the US.
Serbs in Kosovo fly Serbian flags because its Serbia.
I am sorry I was spitting on the German people when I was criticizing you a couple days ago. You are clearly an Albanian pretending to be German because not one German on this planet (other than Angela Merkel perhaps) gives a damn about some Presevo monument.
And now your mad as hell and you say the "Serbs will pay for this" not the State of Serbia but the Serbian people. And we all know how you intend on seeing that through don't we? Rape, organ extraction, desecrating graves and getting you and 20 of your cousins to find a 80 year old Serb to gang up on.
I can not stand Dacic and Vucic. However, this was done in a very professional manner, no damage to terrorist monument was made. If it was me, I would have used dynamite and destroyed the monument the same way how Albanians would do if it was Serbian monument. Well done for Serbia!
I laugh whole heartedly at the comments of albanians, and i would do so constantly if it wasnt for the fact that i remembered they will probably attack serbian elders, chilren or monuments for this, in the land that has belonged to serbia since long before the Turks created the albanians for their divide and rule tactic. Their 'struggle for human rights' is the same one that Nazis who find it unreasonable they can't wear swastikas on their jackets have, as well as pedophiles who think they are being arrested 'for being who they are'. If you thnk that a country practicing government on its territory is a provocation then please do attack it
Yea Well Done!
That horrible monument is finally removed!
@albanians
Well if you don't like living in Serbia move back to Albania!
in fact you are 19th C colonists in Presevo
And go on threaten the Serbs in Kosovo destroy some more churches..
When the time comes you will pay for anyway
And Kosovo will be 100% Serbian again without these ugly mosques and filthy terrorist monuments!
they should be happy the serbs were respectful to this terrorist monument.the serbs should have smashed this to the ground like the croats did in bosnia with bosniak terrorist monument
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
the brave and heroic albanians really stood by their words... the resistance they showed was unbearable! wow!
hahahaha take that piece of S**t to the garbage! the people who honestly thought ANY country in this world would allow a monument to be built in their country by the people who killed their people are actually fully retarded... i mean stop for a while, get over the fact that your albanian AND THINK! there was no chance in hell any monument of this sort would go untouched.
albanians need to stop playing the victim card, and SDFU already. no one gives a s**t if you think the whole world is yours. you are not the victim if you put yourself in these positions. do not provoke and start s**t...seriously... even america is tired of your bs
if i were you guys tho id just be thanking Dacic for allowing that piece of s**t of a monument to be up for that long... if i were in charge that thing would go down in a matters of hours
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2013 13:30)
LOL at least you don't hide your racism and your disdain for Serbs anymore. I thank you for finally coming clean about the kind of person you are. It must be a sad day a monument to your heroes was removed. But don't worry your heroes will react as I said, rape, 20 on 1 physical assaults and desecrating graves.
You are full of it! I don't see any objections from Eu states. Besides we have seen how tolerant you albanians were when serbs went to kosovo to celebrare Christmas. Serbian flags and other symbols were confiscated or destoyed by albanian police and our president was prevented from celebrating Christmas. We have seen how tollerant you are.
LOL well the "war" that was promised in response to removing this stupid monument apparently never happened and moved to the B92 comment section. Look, for ever trigger happy member of the Albanian diaspora in Western Europe and North America and their overly emotional and highly uninformed German sympathizers (I'm talking to you Willi) screaming for revenge in Kosovo shows not only how immature you are but how clueless you still are. The removal of the monument came after it was pretty damn clear the international community didn't want to get involved. NO ONE thought about intervening on the Albanian side. The Presevo Albanians were running around desperate for help. They went as low as to beg Berisha. When he realized he could do no more than utter something stupid about Albanian nationalism, they made a last desperate attempt at getting Thaci involved. When America told him to stay quiet, they still had time to remove it themselves. Sorry but they had plenty of time to negotiate but when the response is basically "F*ck you we do what we want and if you try something we'll start a war", then you know this was a clear and open provocation.
And to my knowledge, the monument wasn't destroyed but moved. Something that would never happen in the independent lala land of Kosovo where Serb monuments have been repeatedly destroyed down to the foundation in an attempt to erase all history.
Serbia removes a monument in "Serbia" and albanians complain? if you don't like it, move back to Albania and have a monument there. Also, what about our Serbian churches that were destroyed? TURKS didn't touch one church and in the early' 2000's you peasants destroy our churches and continue to do youthful acts by throwing rocks and harming young children / old people..
You idiots are fueling the fire and no western country will protect you.. Finally, all the attacks against the serbian people is being broadcasted on the NEWS, so that the whole world can see what kind of savages you are..
Props for Belgrade for doing something and for standing up against terrorism.
Its obvious that Dacic had already 'negotiated' its removal with the US and EU and that Kosovo Albanians at talks would not object much beyond the odd platitude for television cameras.
For me personally there is a limit to the right for local people to decide what statue to errect, particularly if they involve controversial warrior type figures.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
This is the way that you have treated CHURCHES and MONESTERYS, let alone monuments the last 10 years. So please just shut ur mouth!Is already happening everyday, this is just a small payback.
Willi, Hans, or whatever they may call themselves... they are all little albanian kids, pretending to be germans in order to provoke serbian cursing against other nations... but it should be clear that there is no german even interested in the albanians at all.
actually, our dear k-albanian friends haven´t understood that it is a sign of mental poverty to erect monuments to criminals. that alone is an indicator of how miserable they actually are.
and those threats are like dog-barking...
last but not least, I can´t wait for Willi and Hans to write about how german they are and how low-leveled "the Serbs" are.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
You help to illustrate the difference between Serbs and Albanians.
You Albanians desecrate/burn/destroy our churches and graves (of the dead) in Serbia and we do not do the same back to you by destroying Mosques and graves of your dead people (because we clearly are not primitive like you and have respect).
Then when we remove a terrorist monument to the Albanian people who fought against the state of Serbia, you tell us about how many unrelated monuments you will destroy.
The only thing that is 100% is that I do not doubt you and your race. You will retaliate by destroying all sorts of things Serbian.
An Albanian response is inevitable. We will see how many desecrated graves, rapes and 20 on 1 physical assaults there will be when they hear about this.
Albanian tactics baby, second to none.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:04)
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that?
Albanians trying to provoke the situation in Preševo are trying to repeat the strategy they used to get international support for their Kosovo project.
It will not work this time.
Also, it calls into question the policy that some countries have to support the udi attempt in Kosovo.
Perhaps this current plot will help reveal to the US and to others the deeper truth about Kosovo, which is that good peaceful Serbian people (including some of my personal friends) feel hurt by the way in which they were driven out of Kosovo by Albanian neighbours, long before the time of Milosevic.
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2013 13:30)
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Finally!!! You finally admit you are Albanian.
"I suppose we're all the same to you lot".
Who is we? Why are you including yourself in the Balkan countries because you and I both know that the Yanks can tell the difference between English and foemer Yugoslavian person.
I do not think there will be much stink about this monument anymore. the monument was not destroyed, but will be moved to a more appropriate location, like a courtyard of a mosque, or Islam cultural center. This was even condoned by Tirana and Pristina, with the blessing of the international community. There may be some hot heads in Presevo that will cry bloody murder, attack on civil rights, threaten reprisals, the usual, but it will die quickly as they will get little support from Albanian leaders. Hopefully everyone has matured a little from this monument experience. Peace to all.
Albanians are aiming to replace the war memorial tomorrow..instead of concrete they will use flowers! Much better way to remember the bravery &sacrifices of their followen compratiots.
Wonder what Serbia armed police responce to flowers would be?
This typically shows that absolutely nothing changed in Serbia. The Milosevic's 'puppy' is ruling with the same mentality as his master did. It's so sad to see that Serbia (who aspires to join the civilized EU nations and claiming super status for 3% Serb minority in Kosovo) is celebrating with joy the destruction of a monument dedicated to those Albanians who died for justice and equality. Shame to Serbian Government, this is not the way to EU. This is not the way you should treat Albanian minority in Serbia. Reciprocity with Serbian minority in Kosovo is a must!
(Citizen of EU, 20 January 2013 14:03)
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Died for justice and equality my ass, they died because they were terrorists that tried to create an greater albania on serbian territory and thats the reason why the monument was removed. No gloryfing monuments of terrorists that killed serb policemen on serbian territory you moron, that you can have in Tirana not in SERBIA, I hope at least now you understand that.
And you are the last ones that should be talking about reciprocity, you have been destroying churches and monesterys and everything that is serbian in KOsovo for more than a decade and yet you have the nerve to talk about some kind of reciprocity???I hope you try something so that I can come back and see you running like rats again just like you did 1999, oh happy days where have you gone!
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
thank you (indeed.)
robert leonard rope
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
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Always looking for an excuse, arne't you Robdrto?
This monument for erected glorfying terrorists and nobody would have it on their soil and you know it.
Stop being such a hypocrite. You can justify ANYTHING done by Albanians can't you, but who cares. You can support or not support anything you like but even your beloved US has said this was an internal matter. Are you going to go up against this too? Do you now disagree with the US?
So Robert, you can scream as much as you like but nobody is listening this time.
Once again somebody is trying to copy the 90's scenario. Thanks god Serbia has changed and the new president will not allow repeating the past mistakes.
You needed 200 armed killing machines to take a few bricks down? It must of been real intimidating for them, following orders of brute force against a wall.
Last time Milo said "they will not beat you" and you got hurt, and now this thing about "they will not offend you", and most likely you will be humiliated.
Albanians should build this thing every week. The Serbs will go bankrupt within a month of transporting and paying for the walking killing machines, to take away walls.
Guys you need to calm down, it's not good for your souls having that much hate. I wonder why B92 is not reporting that the Albaninan leaders of Preshevo, Bujanoc and Medvegja agreed yesterday to remove the monument to a different place.
Thanks for leading the way Serbia as it makes sense you dont want fascist formations having monuments in your country. We in BIH will do the same and remove all ustasa and cetnik monuments created by ethnic cleansing and genocide. Long live Anti-Fascism!
This typically shows that absolutely nothing changed in Serbia. The Milosevic's 'puppy' is ruling with the same mentality as his master did. It's so sad to see that Serbia (who aspires to join the civilized EU nations and claiming super status for 3% Serb minority in Kosovo) is celebrating with joy the destruction of a monument dedicated to those Albanians who died for justice and equality. Shame to Serbian Government, this is not the way to EU. This is not the way you should treat Albanian minority in Serbia. Reciprocity with Serbian minority in Kosovo is a must!
Guys you need to calm down, it's not good for your souls having that much hate. I wonder why B92 is not reporting that the Albaninan leaders of Preshevo, Bujanoc and Medvegja agreed yesterday to remove the monument to a different place.
(Mendo, 20 January 2013 12:42)
Mendo, they had enough time to relocate monument, why did they wait last moment?
Ari Gold,
You are a racist. Your rants about Albanians are the only thing one has to read.
You accuse albanians for all sort of crimes, yet turn your head around in front of Serbian ones.Unfortunately for you all Serbian Crimes are on video footage, from Dubrovnik, Srebrenica to Kosovo. All massive graves, rapes, ethnic cleansing. It's your people that with their actions brought us fresh reminders, that how barbaric human beings could be. And worst, you have not apologize for them yet, neither paid reparations. I am beginning to thing that another conflict in region is unavoidable, after all who does not remember history is condemned to repeat it. Unfortunately for you , your neighbors have not forgotten it. You will not have as adversary unarmed civilians, elderly, women and children anymore.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
LOL oh great. Another useless and fruitless project for you to support with irrational emotion solely and exclusively on internet chat sites from the confines of your computer in frisco :)
This is what the outside world thinks of this terrorist monument:
"Its presence is unnecessary and inappropriate and brings back old tensions which now belong to the past, Deniau said in an interview for the Thursday edition of Politika."
http://www.tanjug.rs/news/72389/deniau--presevo-monument-internal-issue.htm
Was it actually necessary for you to tell Willi to shut up?? If I interpreted your comments correctly I believe you're saying that nothing can be done will regard to the removal of that monument to glorify some Albanian "hero" or "heroes" but in all fairness if Kosovar-Serbs erected a monument(s) of Serb "heroes" that are actually war criminals in the eyes of ethnic Albanians then would you agree that Kosovar authorities are justified in tearing down such a monument(s)?
(visitor to Plymouth,Minnesota,USA, 20 January 2013 16:15)
It all depends on what these monuments are. If it was a monument to commemorate Arkan or some other Serb warlord I would be the first in line calling for its removal. However cultural, religious and historical monuments like churches, gravestones and such dont merit getting smashed and destroyed.
and telling Willi to shut up. Well this guy is like a broken record that I just snapped. Sorry about that. I just cant stand WUMmers and nationalist trolls from both sides.
Up until now, i have not supported the movement of separation for albanians in the south of serbia. the continuing balkanization, etc. i have always argued that every country is multi ethnic to some degree and needs to learn in some healthy ways how to deal with that. we have no other choice, except for endless war and bloodshed.
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What a load of BS. You are the biggest supporter of "Kosova" there is.
When did you say that nobody should separate? Oh yeah, you are in favour of intertoritarial integrity of Bosnia but all in favour of Serbia splitting up by cheering for "Kosova".
You're such a hypocrite and a liar.
I see too many comments writing just nothing because they are not propaply educated. It does not mean anything that some saying that Albanian couldn't have any contrat with USA. USA in 1999 gave you some present and they can make the same again it needs just 5 minutes and serbia will be Kosovo land, or Big Albanian which very soon will be.
They took off the monument but soon next one will be. Do not give your self so happy words.
I warmly hope that some comments from albanian side are written by children. Maybe children who live in Germany or in the USA, it doesn't matter, but children. I can't live thinking that adults can really think and argue in such simple and naive way. It remembers me the quarrels at elementary school...Please, dear albanian friends if you really want a "monument" I think serbian authorities will not object anything if it's about Skanderbeg or an albanian writer or poet... but not such a controversial monster. a little good sense and everything can go smoothly! and Willi, if you are german me I am from Congo !
The truth my friends is that the world is sick and tired of our constant fighting in the Balkans about territories with names that most people can't even pronounce. So if anyone believes that the world is interested in the human rights of some Albanians living in some unknown valley that are supposedly violated, then that person must be hallucinating. The world and especially the West simply does not give a damn. Our region has become geopolitically insignificant and now it's up to us balkan people to find a way to coexist without foreign interventions. But that mission seems impossible.
"Lets turn down all serbs institution in Kosovo as they are illegal institutions."
@(Ilirian, 20 January 2013 17:53)
When Serbs created legal institution there,Your primitive people work for Greaks as military to against Roman in the Sicily at that time.
In Texas, in front of the state capitol, there is a monument to those who killed american soldiers. Why ? Because that's the decision of the local authorities there. The same way that if the local authorities in Presevo, North Kosovo or whatever decide tomorrow to build a momument of their liking in their municipality's owned land, there is not much that Belgrade or Kosovo's government can do, respectively :)
(icj1, 20 January 2013 18:43)
Texas is a State!!! where as Presevo is a town.
There uis a reason why USA is called United States of America. Basicly, every state is seperate and each has their own laws... only thing that keeps them together is the "common interest," hence, your argument is a total fail!!
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:08)
The reason they did it that way, is that; they will have to place it intact once again and will be displayed just like before. It does not have to be in same spot, since the excuse is that is government owned property. But, this act will coast Serbs dearly, it will come slowly but surely. Stay tune Ari.
This just shows that the local Albanian authorities and politicians have no power. They should all resign in protest. If they don't resign, they will look like puppets and no Albanian will respect their authority. Albanians want no more freedom than Serbs in Kosovo receive. Serbia builds its biggest military base in Presheva, knocks down our monuments and says that we are provoking THEM? The greatest fault lies with the international community for dismissing this as an internal issue, it's not. I'ts a human rights issue and a minority is constantly under provocation from the serbian government. But then again what did you expect? Dacic was Milosevics pawn.
"And to my knowledge, the monument wasn't destroyed but moved."
Smart Serb moved this stone nice and easy. Olso stone will travel to the city Drach,
reason ? by 2042 Greaks, Serbs and Albanians will make big celebration to the original Albo leader George Maniakes who com from Sicily with all Albos 1.000 ago. He deserve monument for that time, congratulations to all and peace in the Balkan.
No he is not. He's albanian prettending to be a westerner like all other comments made by so called americans, germans etc. You albanians are truly a sad bunch.
“Serbia has shown enough patience but it has also sent a clear and firm message that the law needs to be respected and that nobody is more powerful than the state,” he told Tanjug.
In real democracies the highest sovereign are the people. But maybe he was ill, when it came to the french revolution in his history lessons...
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
thank you (indeed.)
robert leonard rope
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
Thank you very much for unequivocally confirming that your goal was never to promote human rights and freedom(for example you could have done it by asking 200.000 Kosovo Serbs to return,rebuild their churches,punish the perpetrators of over 1000 killed Serbs since 1999) but help to promote Greater Albanian fascism and agression!
To bad Kosovo will never become an independent state but will legally as long as UN1244 is in force stay a Serbian province!
As far as Presevo is concerned you can only dream about it...
Albanians,get the hell out of our country,you disgusting savages,wherever you are there is war,murder,plundering,rape and fascism!
You are parasites upon every society!
C'mon Ian, we all know who the Yanks consider Europeans. Certainly not the Balkan countries. They don't even know which countries they are.
To them Europe is Paris, London, Rome etc, but not Belgrade, Sarajevo, Zagreb and most definitely not Pristina.
So no, I don't buy your explanation and I don't think anyone else does.
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 12:02)
Sorry but you appear to have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinion.
Well staged provocation that worked vey well. Serbia one more time showed the world her racist face and double standards. It showed the world that she is not ready to give to her Albanian minority not even 1/3 of what she wants for for her Serbian minority in Kosova.
This act will speed up the process of the negotiations about the north Kosova and the Presheva vally.
Intenrational communitie's double standard bordering with racist policy must end. You cannot use NATO troops to stop ROSU from establishing the rule of law in her own sovreign territory http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=22&nav_id=83287 but allow the Serbian Jandarmery to remove a legal symbo that legitimate city council has build and legalised according to the laws of the country they live in.
As Willi said this will bring the Presheva valley on the negotiation table or ROSU will move.
And a small advice for you Serbs: don not have any illusions that NATO/KFOR will protect you forever. One day soon they will give up of their double standards and will give the green light: or Kosova will go north or it will go east.
This seems to me, more an INVASION on a foreign territoy than a normal police operation.. i mean where in the world you need this amount of forces, like: armored vehicles, 200 heavy armed special forces and the army in stand by etc. just to take down a monument..?!! Is this o show of force or of weakness? I think this show how weak serbia in this party of territory is.. Taking away a piece of stone doesn't mean nothing, a new one can be build.. You cannot restore your authority in this way, you lose it this way. Today you guys have lost again. You proved once again that you haven't changed, you're the same thugs that you were before, uncivilised and inhumane, that instead of finding solution through dialogue you prefer using force.. It's thanks of our peaciful behaving that nothing happend today in Presheva, but this will not last for too long.. We albanians sometimes don't know if we have to laugh at and thank you, or to pity you..
"The reason they did it that way, is that; they will have to place it intact once again and will be displayed just like before.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 January 2013 12:16)
Did you know on wich place monument will go to be visible to the public?
The names of our heroes will always live with us , removing a stone wont intimidate us but will only make us stronger, stay strong my Albanian brothers as they will always be remembered and no enemy can fade that away from us.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
"I suppose we're all the same to you lot".
Who is we? Why are you including yourself in the Balkan countries because you and I both know that the Yanks can tell the difference between English and foemer Yugoslavian person.
(Peggy, 20 January 2013 23:03)
Europeans.
I like to wind Ari Gold up because he his from the US. However he likes to think he is a European Serb and I know it winds him up when I tell him that I'm pro-EU as he hates the EU.
Hey Serbs Albanian People are taking notes for now, Time will come you serbs will regrat it mark my words
(Bahri, 21 January 2013 06:46)
And here I thought the Albanians were illiterate. You might start by tattooing your notes on your arse so you don’t forget.
Was it actually necessary for you to tell Willi to shut up?? If I interpreted your comments correctly I believe you're saying that nothing can be done will regard to the removal of that monument to glorify some Albanian "hero" or "heroes" but in all fairness if Kosovar-Serbs erected a monument(s) of Serb "heroes" that are actually war criminals in the eyes of ethnic Albanians then would you agree that Kosovar authorities are justified in tearing down such a monument(s)?
To get rid of a monument like this is easy. To integrate the minorities and respect their rights is a real challenge. Serbia (not alone in the Balkans) has clearly failed on this! Otherwise no Albanians would look back in time and erect a statue that it seemed it has provoked the authorities in Belgrade.
I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that?
(sale, 20 January 2013 15:46)
In Texas, in front of the state capitol, there is a monument to those who killed american soldiers. Why ? Because that's the decision of the local authorities there. The same way that if the local authorities in Presevo, North Kosovo or whatever decide tomorrow to build a momument of their liking in their municipality's owned land, there is not much that Belgrade or Kosovo's government can do, respectively :)
This seems to me, more an INVASION on a foreign territoy than a normal police operation.. i mean where in the world you need this amount of forces, like: armored vehicles, 200 heavy armed special forces and the army in stand by etc. just to take down a monument..?!!
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Exactly. Why do you think thei much force was needed? If Albanians were a reasonable lot then Serbia would not need to send this force to secure safety of people removing it.
Well if i wouldnt have money then i wouldnt have the chance to study at John Hopkins University and as you know all universities in the US cost quit a lot.the other option is I have to be fucking smart to get access to such a great education:). However I have heard that Albania and Kosovo have a lot of ressources, which the Germans and the US are interested to invest in. Albania has the see and tourism is increasing every year and apparently they found oil somewhere there and on the other hand Kosovo has coil and gold. last but not least the Albanian diaspora is huge. If they dont have money then i wonder how did Kosovo get its independence?
Exactly serbia keeps on going around circles because it has no strategy.It is also surprized by the albanians policy and diplomacy.
The only option left for serbia is to move on like germany did and focus on its economy and give all its minorities rights and the access to the market otherwise it looks bad for them. The last option that serbia can get itself out of shit is starting a war,which might be the 3rd world war and as we know from history serbia has always been a factor of such tragedies....
Hank the tank,
I have clearly stated more than once , unequivocally , that I am an Albanian. Since you're raising the topic, I was born and raised in Tirana, the capital of Albania. I don't see the need to pretend to be a Westerner, because I am very proud of my ethnic origin. But also , more importantly because I have learned to value people for their merits and characters, regardless of race, ethnicity, faith or sexual orientation.
If it were for PM Mr.Dacic, Serbia would have been in the same situation as before.
Fortunately enought, there seems to be the new man in the game, Mr. Vucic who will not have it.
Clearly is seen that the removal of this lapidary has pleased the general opinion in Serbia. In all Serbian electronic forums it is said that they are feeling Uplifted; Perked; Chuffed and Overjoyed.
Firstly this is the best way you are showing your gratitude to other minorities.
Secondly this show how weakened, exhausted, uncertain and afraid is Serbia in relation to her future.
And thirdly with this action Serbia has nothing solve with Albanians, only has more complicated coexistence with them.
Step by step and definitely Serbia is becoming the biggest enemy of herself. A near future will testify this. We Albanians must live through this time when everything hurts for us. But life comes with no guarantees or promises for you, too. The sunny days of contentment can only be truly appreciated through the dark gloomy nights of despair. For without these actions of Serbia toward us, nobody would never really know what the Serbia's chauvinistic regime toward Albanians was for more than 100 years.
And for without sadness, we would never really know what it is like to be truly happy and free.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Do you apply this equally to the albanians who refuse to allow the 200,000 people they cleansed to return over a decade later and ignore the blind eye turned by Brussels and western powers about this? If not, then you are a hypocrite.
This monument for erected glorfying terrorists and nobody would have it on their soil and you know it.
-- Fighting against a dictator is an act of freedom. You Serbs should build these guys a monument. It is because of us Albanians that you no longer have a corrupt dictator like Milosevic in power today. It is only because us Albanians, the Croats, Slovenians, and Bosnians rose up that you Serbs don't live in a dictatorship today. We brought you freedom. Those people in that monument brought you freedom. Just because you were ok living under Milosevic's dictatorship doesn't mean that others should have kept quiet and not fought against his terrorist forces. We did not tolerate his terrorist dictatorial regime, you did.
Burn in hell serbs...you will pay one day I promise!
(KOSOVO, 20 January 2013 16:42)
No we won’t. Three reasons; first is the western windbags are no longer in a position to help you; second its not a very good look for the Thaci to have burning churches in Kosovo being televised around the world and third NATO may have to open live fire on your lot.
Ahh outwitted again by the brilliant Serbs – its like shooting fish in a barrel. Don’t you get tired of getting nowhere even with the western might propping you up?
What does Kosovo have? Minerals? None to speak of; water? Not enough for even their own numbers? Arable land? Not enough to feed their numbers; industry? What little exists are the left overs of the old Yugoslavia; is Kosovo a place that you have to cross to get to somewhere? No. Who has in the last 13 invested in Kosovo: no one. Why even that silly old battleaxe Albright or should I say Alldumb retracted her premature purchase of some crappy Albanian telephone company which includes horse and stage coaches.
And now even the US telling their allies that the monument in Presavo should be taken down, but there is even more. That same US dimwhit is telling his allies that they should not wave the Albanian flag; they should pick out something else to represent them. He also told the Albo that they cannot do a thing about what has taken place today.
Yes the mighty Kosovars has the upper hand in these discussions. Yep keep telling that to yourselves. Its 2013 not 1999 – the times are a changing.
Up until now, i have not supported the movement of separation for albanians in the south of serbia. the continuing balkanization, etc. i have always argued that every country is multi ethnic to some degree and needs to learn in some healthy ways how to deal with that. we have no other choice, except for endless war and bloodshed.
but serbia really presents a special case. we expected great changes in serbia after we brought down slobo - after all the hell that been unleashed (mainly)from belgrade - the endless destruction, killing, raping, forced deportations, forced misery. yes i am one of many individuals who has helped to document those horrors, but it was all too late, all after the fact...
it appears now to me (and of course for some time) that serbia has no intention of changing. the 'changes' were bare window dressing, or ones essentially forced upon them (like giving up a handful of evil criminals to the hague.) otherwise i don't see any signs of real change for the better, and for better or worse, most of my frnds inside serbia agree.
some of them voted for cedi, but i think most voted "white." in any case, they were and are depressed and dispirited.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
One Question , Why Albanians build the monument before the meeting in Brussels ? Than Border and Customs. Dacic said you have to give somthing too to get Kosova !! Well that's what we gave (Monument).This was all prearranged. With the blessing of Belgrade,Prishtina,Tirana and US,EU.Politicians will play politics and people in both sides will bla-bla-blah and Kosova is on its own.Albanians finally learned the business.
a whole army to remove a monument on which were the names of the victims killed by state violence of (Miosevic-Dacic), everywhere in the world regardless of the state system for monuments in each municipality decides the lokal government, but not government....Serbia shame of Balkans.
Dear Brandon,
thank you for giving such a decent comment about that Jew extremist named Ari Gold. You have summarized what many here wanted to saw. Instead of thanking Albanians for saving his predecessors during WWII he is trying to be more radical serb than serbs themselves!
200+ armed police with armored vehicles for removing a monument of stone and automatic rifles, machine guns pointed at all directions like in war situation. Is this democratic Serbia? The Albanians there are also citizens of Serbia and you can not behave with them as you are in a military state aka North Korea style. Where in Europe can you see in 2013 such actions to intimidate the minorities. If the government of Serbia thought the monument was illegal and against the law open the court case and remove it as you remove anything illegal in the territory of Serbia. I can not imagine our police and special military in Albania to go to the minority areas armed to the teeth for a bunch of stones. Sorry Serbs you brought to us feeling of more ten years ago and those can be hardly faded away soon.
What can i say, the law won and it shall continue to do, Serbia kept its word and the albanian UCVRC showed that their terrorist organization work for the wrong picture. And Kosovo politicians are really retarded with their comments when Americans dont tell them what to say. I think Americans regret that they helped them. Now that they see that they are stupid..
“Serbia has shown enough patience but it has also sent a clear and firm message that the law needs to be respected and that nobody is more powerful than the state,” he told Tanjug.
LOL, for a county to be represented by Dacic as a "state" you truly should be shameful.
I would be embarrassed to relate to this dude in any way, but anywho, st... is st.. does, we're used to it, but continue to ignore it.
hope you try something so that I can come back and see you running like rats again just like you did 1999, oh happy days where have you gone!
(Daniel, 20 January 2013 16:56)
Daniel you would do us a great favor if you can repeat this every day. Make sure you capitalize it and use bold letters. We need more non-Serb eyes to see the views of the average Serb and how they dehumanize a whole nation.
@tiranaboy- what are you talking about dude? There are Greek monuments down south for their combatants. Last month the Greek ambassador even went and visited. It was all over the news as the golden down idiots had made some threats from Athens. There's monuments for the Brits, Italians and Germans too. Mind you these Greeks shelled the houses in the city of Korce and Pogradec without any concern, not to talk about rapes and murders. These from the same people that ethnically cleansed our people.
Also in the villages of Shkoder we are keeping a whole school open for about 5 ethnic Serb children. We are financing schools for the Macedonians and Greeks as well. We have all these minorities in our parliament, government our universities etc. They are an integral part of the fabric of our society. Name me one country in the region where Albanians enjoy the same status, Macedonia excluded. We had to go to war to get it.. As a matter of fact our former prime minister Pandeli Majko is of Macedonian origins. We are too nice with nothing to show for in return.
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Alas it saddens me to say that having any American talk about laws is much like Hannibal Lecher discussing veganism.
Which laws have the US followed? Perhaps its the human rights on treatment of prisoners in Abu Grahib prison in Iraq, you know the place we had the Iraqis chained like dogs or my favourite, the one with a KKK style hood on a chair.
Clearly is seen that the removal of this lapidary has pleased the general opinion in Serbia. In all Serbian electronic forums it is said that they are feeling Uplifted; Perked; Chuffed and Overjoyed.
(cipi ipic PRISHTINA, 20 January 2013 21:12)
Exactly what Tomislav and Ivica wanted... This is carefully calculated to throw a bone to the the likes of Peggy and Ari Gold in order to draw the attention away from the substantial issue of the traitorous deeds they agreed with the "organ snatcher" in regards to Kosovo :)
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Who are you trying to kid that you're a student at JHU?
Your English is sub-standard and no decent university would accept your level of English as satisfactory.
There uis a reason why USA is called United States of America. Basicly, every state is seperate and each has their own laws... only thing that keeps them together is the "common interest," hence, your argument is a total fail!!
(GVUK, 20 January 2013 21:59)
I apologize... didn't know that the property rights don't apply in Serbia's towns because Serbia is not called "United States of Serbia".
Anyway, I was not saying that Presevo is the same as Texas... I just showed that the statement that somebody made that "I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that" is false.
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:08)
i would have used some 50 cal or maybe 25mm, it's just me
Could you answer me the questions please?my english is not relevant as you uderstand my questions trizo and peggy im not trying to impress anyone, im just looking for answers to your goverments comments as they keep on contradicting themselves with what they say.
However i think if your diplomacy or strategy won`t change towards the international community and towards the albanians then the albanians are going to achieve what they are seeking for- BIG ALBANIA.
It is crazy how much pressure Tirana,Pristina and Skopje are making on serbia..where is the serbian diplomacy?To be nationalistic at the United Nations and its own countries won`t help you much to achieve your goals...
Well if i wouldnt have money then i wouldnt have the chance to study at "John Hopkins University and as you know all universities in the US cost quit a lot.the other option is I have to be fucking smart to get access to such a great education:)"
What an ignorant comment.
My, JohnS Hopkins has certainly lowered it academic standards if you have been admitted. You probably have never been to Baltimore, Maryland.
It is a small person who brags about their financial status and uses profanity to emphasize their intelligence.
You don't have to be rich to get student aide in the USA. You would know that if were telling the truth.
you dont have to judge your own education...this is just a newspaper therefore i dont pay that much attention to the grammar where as the context itself...
For the better or the worst the Albanian Politicians dont know how to play the game,if they could, serbia would be in deep shit..as much as dacic himself,...
When was it? More than a hundred years ago? I think that in several hundreds years people will tolerate monuments to anybody from our generation.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2013 21:44)
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 11:49)
I don’t know what you’re studying at University but a simple rule to go by in life is if you have money you can do anything if you don’t then all you can do is talk, much like a greater Albania.
There are a couple of reasons why it will not happen. Firstly to enlarge Albania would automatically impoverish even further Tirana as it would then be obliged to build hospitals, schools, roads, provide social security etc. All this costs a pack of money just ask the Germans and how much they have spent do far integrating East Germany and still not succeeding. If you’re looking towards the EU or US giving money; that’s flight has left the tarmac as the EU and US are at various levels of going broke. Then there is the fear of a large Islamic state inside Europe. Even the US Ambassador told your Albanians in Presavo to pick out a different flag and not fly the Albanian national flag.
Serbia’s strategy is simple, keep going around in circles. As far as pressure from Tirana, Pristina and Skopje is concerned, they are rolling on the floor laughing in Belgrade. When the US can’t move Belgrade what chances are there for Tirana, Pristina or Skopje, three of the poorest in the Europe?
Everybody must obey the law, whatever nationality they are.
(Mike, 20 January 2013 18:26)
It is good you feel that way as UNSC 1244 mandated that UNMIK turn authorities to the government of Pristina, that North Kosovo Serbs are bound to follow the laws of the government of Kosovo(whether you want to call it a republic or province). Unless the editors editted part of your comment that said with the exception of Serbs.
Considering the recent history everything went exceptionally peacefully today. Both sides avoided useless acts. Congratulations. Next they must sit down and talk about how to go forward.
What's the big deal about all this? What else you would expect from the current goverment of Serbia? The country will continue to spiral into debt and minorities will get the blame for it.
This issue of a monument could have been resolved differently, but by Balkan standards it went really well.
Both star of the day politicians, Thaqi and Tadiq now should be awarded with shared Noble peace awards for their maturity they have shown in building bridges between themselfs and srewing up both Albanian and Serbian communities.
I don't agree with you that Albanians are parasites upon every society. Also people like you would be foolishly mistaken to ever assume that I would treat every non-Albanian better than every Albanian all because SOME Albanians are personally more likable than SOME non-Albanians.Truth be told I ain't sorry for keeping my distance and not doing "truly" special things for both Albanians & non-Albanians whose nature it is to be appalling or irritating.
holly crab... that is perfect way when people get all f...up when the truth doesn't come out from the people who really knows what really happen in ex-Yugoslavia so people can start to learn how to forgive and forget not teaching new generation how to hate or kill each other ...way to go BALKAN no doubt people cant go or get close or compare cultural, economical etc with other western country's in reality im feeling sorry for all of you who become the shovel of the others nothing more...hopefully one day all of you will wake up from the bad DREAM..PEACE
I like to wind Ari Gold up because he his from the US. However he likes to think he is a European Serb and I know it winds him up when I tell him that I'm pro-EU as he hates the EU.
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C'mon Ian, we all know who the Yanks consider Europeans. Certainly not the Balkan countries. They don't even know which countries they are.
To them Europe is Paris, London, Rome etc, but not Belgrade, Sarajevo, Zagreb and most definitely not Pristina.
So no, I don't buy your explanation and I don't think anyone else does.
Exactly what Tomislav and Ivica wanted... This is carefully calculated to throw a bone to the the likes of Peggy and Ari Gold in order to draw the attention away from the substantial issue of the traitorous deeds they agreed with the "organ snatcher" in regards to Kosovo :)
(icj1, 21 January 2013 05:55)
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Nope, as happy as I am about the removal of this monstrosity, they don't get off the hook.
I still think they are crooked.
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 13:07)
No I was not referring to your financial status. I was making a general statement that to have a greater Albania you need the cash to support such an entity which Tirana clearly does not have.
If Kosovo has “a lot of resources” then the Communist would have exploited them. Yes there are companies that are interested but its mainly gas using the hydro fracturing method which extracts gas from coal seams, but uses highly toxic chemicals and poisons the watertable. As I have said many times before I can extract coal in Australia, wash, crush and transport it ti the port of Bari in Italy than you can by digging it Kosovo.
If you think Kosovo “got its impendence” because of Albanian Diaspora then dream on mate. It’s the US trying to control that entire region, especially with Russian gas coming on, but alas the US is to use your vernacular, fucked. Sorry about that one, I forgot that US going broke is a touchy subject with the Albanians.
Albania is a poor third world country and so what if it has the sea a n a little tourism. Ask the Slovens how they are going with their rich tourism.
Serbian policy has kept the status quo in Kosovo for a long time and that is the best strategy – sooner or later Kosovo is going to go boom. We don’t reward thieves so no changes in our policy.
As far as a 3 world war, don’t worry about that because the west is not interested.
The monument was awful but thought this government would have supported it staying because of their pro separatist policies. I would actually like to see an anti separatist policy.
"The names of our heroes will always live with us" ...
(Shkoder, 20 January 2013 21:45)
Pure lie Shkoder:
Your leader George Maniakes earn minimum 3 monument:
1. Sicily is second Albo home.
2. Drach first time he comm to the Balkan (1042)
3. Ohrid Greaks complette destroy his military.
Did you build any monument at any place for your leader #1
George Maniakes is turning every yr. (or 981 times) in Ohrid without monument. Arnaut will be very happy if Tirana build one for them.
For the better or the worst the Albanian Politicians dont know how to play the game,if they could, serbia would be in deep shit..as much as dacic himself,...
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 18:14)
As a smart person what strategy should your Albanians adopt?
Serbia will have to pay a big price for this. With this stupid decision the situation of the Albanians in the Presevo valley becomes part of the overall Serbia-Kosovo problem. From now on their situation, there civil rights conditions will be part of the conflict. Serbia furthermore will have severe problems with its European agenda. No European country has problems of minorities displaying their symbols, and the Serbs in Kosovo certainly do the same thing. They have Serbian flags flying everywhere, do whatever they want, build barricades when their ideas are not recognized, throw bombs, and shoot policeman. With this dumb move the situation of the Albanians in Serbia will move into the focus of the world, and from now on their human rights situation will be part of the discussion. Serbs can't deny their own minorities the same right that they ask other countries to give Serb minorities in their borders. A very dumb, very shortsighted move with huge consequences
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
An Albanian response is inevitable. We will see how many desecrated graves, rapes and 20 on 1 physical assaults there will be when they hear about this.
Albanian tactics baby, second to none.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:04)
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
You needed 200 armed killing machines to take a few bricks down? It must of been real intimidating for them, following orders of brute force against a wall.
Last time Milo said "they will not beat you" and you got hurt, and now this thing about "they will not offend you", and most likely you will be humiliated.
Albanians should build this thing every week. The Serbs will go bankrupt within a month of transporting and paying for the walking killing machines, to take away walls.
This typically shows that absolutely nothing changed in Serbia. The Milosevic's 'puppy' is ruling with the same mentality as his master did. It's so sad to see that Serbia (who aspires to join the civilized EU nations and claiming super status for 3% Serb minority in Kosovo) is celebrating with joy the destruction of a monument dedicated to those Albanians who died for justice and equality. Shame to Serbian Government, this is not the way to EU. This is not the way you should treat Albanian minority in Serbia. Reciprocity with Serbian minority in Kosovo is a must!
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:08)
The reason they did it that way, is that; they will have to place it intact once again and will be displayed just like before. It does not have to be in same spot, since the excuse is that is government owned property. But, this act will coast Serbs dearly, it will come slowly but surely. Stay tune Ari.
Ari Gold,
You are a racist. Your rants about Albanians are the only thing one has to read.
You accuse albanians for all sort of crimes, yet turn your head around in front of Serbian ones.Unfortunately for you all Serbian Crimes are on video footage, from Dubrovnik, Srebrenica to Kosovo. All massive graves, rapes, ethnic cleansing. It's your people that with their actions brought us fresh reminders, that how barbaric human beings could be. And worst, you have not apologize for them yet, neither paid reparations. I am beginning to thing that another conflict in region is unavoidable, after all who does not remember history is condemned to repeat it. Unfortunately for you , your neighbors have not forgotten it. You will not have as adversary unarmed civilians, elderly, women and children anymore.
Albanians are aiming to replace the war memorial tomorrow..instead of concrete they will use flowers! Much better way to remember the bravery &sacrifices of their followen compratiots.
Wonder what Serbia armed police responce to flowers would be?
Up until now, i have not supported the movement of separation for albanians in the south of serbia. the continuing balkanization, etc. i have always argued that every country is multi ethnic to some degree and needs to learn in some healthy ways how to deal with that. we have no other choice, except for endless war and bloodshed.
but serbia really presents a special case. we expected great changes in serbia after we brought down slobo - after all the hell that been unleashed (mainly)from belgrade - the endless destruction, killing, raping, forced deportations, forced misery. yes i am one of many individuals who has helped to document those horrors, but it was all too late, all after the fact...
it appears now to me (and of course for some time) that serbia has no intention of changing. the 'changes' were bare window dressing, or ones essentially forced upon them (like giving up a handful of evil criminals to the hague.) otherwise i don't see any signs of real change for the better, and for better or worse, most of my frnds inside serbia agree.
some of them voted for cedi, but i think most voted "white." in any case, they were and are depressed and dispirited.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
I see too many comments writing just nothing because they are not propaply educated. It does not mean anything that some saying that Albanian couldn't have any contrat with USA. USA in 1999 gave you some present and they can make the same again it needs just 5 minutes and serbia will be Kosovo land, or Big Albanian which very soon will be.
They took off the monument but soon next one will be. Do not give your self so happy words.
This just shows that the local Albanian authorities and politicians have no power. They should all resign in protest. If they don't resign, they will look like puppets and no Albanian will respect their authority. Albanians want no more freedom than Serbs in Kosovo receive. Serbia builds its biggest military base in Presheva, knocks down our monuments and says that we are provoking THEM? The greatest fault lies with the international community for dismissing this as an internal issue, it's not. I'ts a human rights issue and a minority is constantly under provocation from the serbian government. But then again what did you expect? Dacic was Milosevics pawn.
An Albanian response is inevitable. We will see how many desecrated graves, rapes and 20 on 1 physical assaults there will be when they hear about this.
I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that?
(sale, 20 January 2013 15:46)
In Texas, in front of the state capitol, there is a monument to those who killed american soldiers. Why ? Because that's the decision of the local authorities there. The same way that if the local authorities in Presevo, North Kosovo or whatever decide tomorrow to build a momument of their liking in their municipality's owned land, there is not much that Belgrade or Kosovo's government can do, respectively :)
Finally, better late than never though. Just goes to show how these albanians are all talk, doesn't seem like there was any resistance so much for these cowards being ready for war, I think the site of 200 Zandarmerija officers made them soil themselves.
I am sorry I was spitting on the German people when I was criticizing you a couple days ago. You are clearly an Albanian pretending to be German because not one German on this planet (other than Angela Merkel perhaps) gives a damn about some Presevo monument.
And now your mad as hell and you say the "Serbs will pay for this" not the State of Serbia but the Serbian people. And we all know how you intend on seeing that through don't we? Rape, organ extraction, desecrating graves and getting you and 20 of your cousins to find a 80 year old Serb to gang up on.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
I laugh whole heartedly at the comments of albanians, and i would do so constantly if it wasnt for the fact that i remembered they will probably attack serbian elders, chilren or monuments for this, in the land that has belonged to serbia since long before the Turks created the albanians for their divide and rule tactic. Their 'struggle for human rights' is the same one that Nazis who find it unreasonable they can't wear swastikas on their jackets have, as well as pedophiles who think they are being arrested 'for being who they are'. If you thnk that a country practicing government on its territory is a provocation then please do attack it
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2013 13:30)
LOL at least you don't hide your racism and your disdain for Serbs anymore. I thank you for finally coming clean about the kind of person you are. It must be a sad day a monument to your heroes was removed. But don't worry your heroes will react as I said, rape, 20 on 1 physical assaults and desecrating graves.
The names of our heroes will always live with us , removing a stone wont intimidate us but will only make us stronger, stay strong my Albanian brothers as they will always be remembered and no enemy can fade that away from us.
Serbia will have to pay a big price for this. With this stupid decision the situation of the Albanians in the Presevo valley becomes part of the overall Serbia-Kosovo problem. From now on their situation, there civil rights conditions will be part of the conflict. Serbia furthermore will have severe problems with its European agenda. No European country has problems of minorities displaying their symbols. Serbs can't deny their own minorities the same right that they ask other countries to give Serb minorities in their borders. A very dumb, very shortsighted move with huge consequences
(Willi Pfaff, 20 January 2013 11:28)
Oh shut up Willi. Nobody will pay 'a high price' for this. Too much blood has been spilled. The monument in the public square was a stupid act to elicit a deliberate provocation from the authorities and it did not work. The French ambassador said 2 weeks ago that this was an internal issue for Beograd and I agree. Face it, the council did not get permission to plonk this in the central square. Let the monument be placed in a garden and people can pay their respects there.
Minorities (myself included) dont have any such problems in Serbia as long as you obey the law like everyone else, Serbs included. Hungarians for example are free to use their symbols, wave their flags, observe their holidays and traditions, speak their language and have their own schools here in Vojvodina with full support from the Government. Same with Slovaks, Romanians and Croats.
Yea Well Done!
That horrible monument is finally removed!
@albanians
Well if you don't like living in Serbia move back to Albania!
in fact you are 19th C colonists in Presevo
And go on threaten the Serbs in Kosovo destroy some more churches..
When the time comes you will pay for anyway
And Kosovo will be 100% Serbian again without these ugly mosques and filthy terrorist monuments!
This seems to me, more an INVASION on a foreign territoy than a normal police operation.. i mean where in the world you need this amount of forces, like: armored vehicles, 200 heavy armed special forces and the army in stand by etc. just to take down a monument..?!! Is this o show of force or of weakness? I think this show how weak serbia in this party of territory is.. Taking away a piece of stone doesn't mean nothing, a new one can be build.. You cannot restore your authority in this way, you lose it this way. Today you guys have lost again. You proved once again that you haven't changed, you're the same thugs that you were before, uncivilised and inhumane, that instead of finding solution through dialogue you prefer using force.. It's thanks of our peaciful behaving that nothing happend today in Presheva, but this will not last for too long.. We albanians sometimes don't know if we have to laugh at and thank you, or to pity you..
a whole army to remove a monument on which were the names of the victims killed by state violence of (Miosevic-Dacic), everywhere in the world regardless of the state system for monuments in each municipality decides the lokal government, but not government....Serbia shame of Balkans.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
LOL you want to know the difference? Your monument was glorifying Muslim terrorists and our monuments and monasteries on Kosovo i Metohija are the oldest things standing in the Holy Province. That was your goal anyway, to erase history because you know nothing you have built in Kosovo i Metohija is older than what we have standing there, only uglier.
No it’s not a problem at all. In fact the silly Albanians just don’t get it at all that they have missed the boat. No one is going to even raise the issue at all. This is 2013 not 1999.
Oh yes, the world human rights movement – if you haven’t heard it they disgraced themselves a long time ago in places like Iraq and Abu Grahib prison. No one cares any more, not even the US.
Serbs in Kosovo fly Serbian flags because its Serbia.
To get rid of a monument like this is easy. To integrate the minorities and respect their rights is a real challenge. Serbia (not alone in the Balkans) has clearly failed on this! Otherwise no Albanians would look back in time and erect a statue that it seemed it has provoked the authorities in Belgrade.
Clearly is seen that the removal of this lapidary has pleased the general opinion in Serbia. In all Serbian electronic forums it is said that they are feeling Uplifted; Perked; Chuffed and Overjoyed.
Firstly this is the best way you are showing your gratitude to other minorities.
Secondly this show how weakened, exhausted, uncertain and afraid is Serbia in relation to her future.
And thirdly with this action Serbia has nothing solve with Albanians, only has more complicated coexistence with them.
Step by step and definitely Serbia is becoming the biggest enemy of herself. A near future will testify this. We Albanians must live through this time when everything hurts for us. But life comes with no guarantees or promises for you, too. The sunny days of contentment can only be truly appreciated through the dark gloomy nights of despair. For without these actions of Serbia toward us, nobody would never really know what the Serbia's chauvinistic regime toward Albanians was for more than 100 years.
And for without sadness, we would never really know what it is like to be truly happy and free.
Guys you need to calm down, it's not good for your souls having that much hate. I wonder why B92 is not reporting that the Albaninan leaders of Preshevo, Bujanoc and Medvegja agreed yesterday to remove the monument to a different place.
Willi, Hans, or whatever they may call themselves... they are all little albanian kids, pretending to be germans in order to provoke serbian cursing against other nations... but it should be clear that there is no german even interested in the albanians at all.
actually, our dear k-albanian friends haven´t understood that it is a sign of mental poverty to erect monuments to criminals. that alone is an indicator of how miserable they actually are.
and those threats are like dog-barking...
last but not least, I can´t wait for Willi and Hans to write about how german they are and how low-leveled "the Serbs" are.
Sorry my fellow albanians, but i couldn't tolerate a monument for the "Greek Heros" in Himara in south or macedonian "humanists" in the East. The same standart applies to Serbia. Is Belgrade right to remove the monument, we have nothing to say that time....
Well staged provocation that worked vey well. Serbia one more time showed the world her racist face and double standards. It showed the world that she is not ready to give to her Albanian minority not even 1/3 of what she wants for for her Serbian minority in Kosova.
This act will speed up the process of the negotiations about the north Kosova and the Presheva vally.
Intenrational communitie's double standard bordering with racist policy must end. You cannot use NATO troops to stop ROSU from establishing the rule of law in her own sovreign territory http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=22&nav_id=83287 but allow the Serbian Jandarmery to remove a legal symbo that legitimate city council has build and legalised according to the laws of the country they live in.
As Willi said this will bring the Presheva valley on the negotiation table or ROSU will move.
And a small advice for you Serbs: don not have any illusions that NATO/KFOR will protect you forever. One day soon they will give up of their double standards and will give the green light: or Kosova will go north or it will go east.
the brave and heroic albanians really stood by their words... the resistance they showed was unbearable! wow!
hahahaha take that piece of S**t to the garbage! the people who honestly thought ANY country in this world would allow a monument to be built in their country by the people who killed their people are actually fully retarded... i mean stop for a while, get over the fact that your albanian AND THINK! there was no chance in hell any monument of this sort would go untouched.
albanians need to stop playing the victim card, and SDFU already. no one gives a s**t if you think the whole world is yours. you are not the victim if you put yourself in these positions. do not provoke and start s**t...seriously... even america is tired of your bs
if i were you guys tho id just be thanking Dacic for allowing that piece of s**t of a monument to be up for that long... if i were in charge that thing would go down in a matters of hours
Nothing wrong with this. Serbia has every right to remove a monument to terrorists. If the Albanians don't like it they can feel free to move back to Albania.
What would USA do if Muslims tried to erect a monument to the guys that flew the planes during the 9/11? Serbs just made a mistake not removing it right away.
Finaly! Well done boys, and while here, I would like to thank our gendarmerie for their action.
As for the statement given by the retired terrorist in which he spills the threats about unification Southern part Serbia with Kosovo, which is another part of Serbia of course, I would just like to tell him to go ahead with it.
But I smell that this was just an empty threat since it seems that Albanian terrorists lost their support from the "western super masters" :).
Now, I can bet all the money I have that Albanians have no guts nor courage to launch another war against Serbia without support from the USA and EU. It is easy to wage the war when NATO keeps your back and fight on the behalf of you. But, dear Albos do keep in mind that NATO's support is lost for good and those days of your rampage are past.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
You help to illustrate the difference between Serbs and Albanians.
You Albanians desecrate/burn/destroy our churches and graves (of the dead) in Serbia and we do not do the same back to you by destroying Mosques and graves of your dead people (because we clearly are not primitive like you and have respect).
Then when we remove a terrorist monument to the Albanian people who fought against the state of Serbia, you tell us about how many unrelated monuments you will destroy.
The only thing that is 100% is that I do not doubt you and your race. You will retaliate by destroying all sorts of things Serbian.
I can not stand Dacic and Vucic. However, this was done in a very professional manner, no damage to terrorist monument was made. If it was me, I would have used dynamite and destroyed the monument the same way how Albanians would do if it was Serbian monument. Well done for Serbia!
One Question , Why Albanians build the monument before the meeting in Brussels ? Than Border and Customs. Dacic said you have to give somthing too to get Kosova !! Well that's what we gave (Monument).This was all prearranged. With the blessing of Belgrade,Prishtina,Tirana and US,EU.Politicians will play politics and people in both sides will bla-bla-blah and Kosova is on its own.Albanians finally learned the business.
Albanians trying to provoke the situation in Preševo are trying to repeat the strategy they used to get international support for their Kosovo project.
It will not work this time.
Also, it calls into question the policy that some countries have to support the udi attempt in Kosovo.
Perhaps this current plot will help reveal to the US and to others the deeper truth about Kosovo, which is that good peaceful Serbian people (including some of my personal friends) feel hurt by the way in which they were driven out of Kosovo by Albanian neighbours, long before the time of Milosevic.
“Serbia has shown enough patience but it has also sent a clear and firm message that the law needs to be respected and that nobody is more powerful than the state,” he told Tanjug.
LOL, for a county to be represented by Dacic as a "state" you truly should be shameful.
I would be embarrassed to relate to this dude in any way, but anywho, st... is st.. does, we're used to it, but continue to ignore it.
You are full of it! I don't see any objections from Eu states. Besides we have seen how tolerant you albanians were when serbs went to kosovo to celebrare Christmas. Serbian flags and other symbols were confiscated or destoyed by albanian police and our president was prevented from celebrating Christmas. We have seen how tollerant you are.
Burn in hell serbs...you will pay one day I promise!
(KOSOVO, 20 January 2013 16:42)
No we won’t. Three reasons; first is the western windbags are no longer in a position to help you; second its not a very good look for the Thaci to have burning churches in Kosovo being televised around the world and third NATO may have to open live fire on your lot.
Ahh outwitted again by the brilliant Serbs – its like shooting fish in a barrel. Don’t you get tired of getting nowhere even with the western might propping you up?
Its obvious that Dacic had already 'negotiated' its removal with the US and EU and that Kosovo Albanians at talks would not object much beyond the odd platitude for television cameras.
For me personally there is a limit to the right for local people to decide what statue to errect, particularly if they involve controversial warrior type figures.
I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that?
Thanks for leading the way Serbia as it makes sense you dont want fascist formations having monuments in your country. We in BIH will do the same and remove all ustasa and cetnik monuments created by ethnic cleansing and genocide. Long live Anti-Fascism!
Everybody must obey the law, whatever nationality they are.
(Mike, 20 January 2013 18:26)
It is good you feel that way as UNSC 1244 mandated that UNMIK turn authorities to the government of Pristina, that North Kosovo Serbs are bound to follow the laws of the government of Kosovo(whether you want to call it a republic or province). Unless the editors editted part of your comment that said with the exception of Serbs.
Serbia removes a monument in "Serbia" and albanians complain? if you don't like it, move back to Albania and have a monument there. Also, what about our Serbian churches that were destroyed? TURKS didn't touch one church and in the early' 2000's you peasants destroy our churches and continue to do youthful acts by throwing rocks and harming young children / old people..
You idiots are fueling the fire and no western country will protect you.. Finally, all the attacks against the serbian people is being broadcasted on the NEWS, so that the whole world can see what kind of savages you are..
Props for Belgrade for doing something and for standing up against terrorism.
Up until now, i have not supported the movement of separation for albanians in the south of serbia. the continuing balkanization, etc. i have always argued that every country is multi ethnic to some degree and needs to learn in some healthy ways how to deal with that. we have no other choice, except for endless war and bloodshed.
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What a load of BS. You are the biggest supporter of "Kosova" there is.
When did you say that nobody should separate? Oh yeah, you are in favour of intertoritarial integrity of Bosnia but all in favour of Serbia splitting up by cheering for "Kosova".
You're such a hypocrite and a liar.
I think you're confusing Albanians with the Bosnian Serbs forces in the 1990s. An easy mistake for an American to make. I suppose we're all the same to you lot.
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2013 13:30)
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Finally!!! You finally admit you are Albanian.
"I suppose we're all the same to you lot".
Who is we? Why are you including yourself in the Balkan countries because you and I both know that the Yanks can tell the difference between English and foemer Yugoslavian person.
Dear Brandon,
thank you for giving such a decent comment about that Jew extremist named Ari Gold. You have summarized what many here wanted to saw. Instead of thanking Albanians for saving his predecessors during WWII he is trying to be more radical serb than serbs themselves!
200+ armed police with armored vehicles for removing a monument of stone and automatic rifles, machine guns pointed at all directions like in war situation. Is this democratic Serbia? The Albanians there are also citizens of Serbia and you can not behave with them as you are in a military state aka North Korea style. Where in Europe can you see in 2013 such actions to intimidate the minorities. If the government of Serbia thought the monument was illegal and against the law open the court case and remove it as you remove anything illegal in the territory of Serbia. I can not imagine our police and special military in Albania to go to the minority areas armed to the teeth for a bunch of stones. Sorry Serbs you brought to us feeling of more ten years ago and those can be hardly faded away soon.
This monument for erected glorfying terrorists and nobody would have it on their soil and you know it.
-- Fighting against a dictator is an act of freedom. You Serbs should build these guys a monument. It is because of us Albanians that you no longer have a corrupt dictator like Milosevic in power today. It is only because us Albanians, the Croats, Slovenians, and Bosnians rose up that you Serbs don't live in a dictatorship today. We brought you freedom. Those people in that monument brought you freedom. Just because you were ok living under Milosevic's dictatorship doesn't mean that others should have kept quiet and not fought against his terrorist forces. We did not tolerate his terrorist dictatorial regime, you did.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Who are you trying to kid that you're a student at JHU?
Your English is sub-standard and no decent university would accept your level of English as satisfactory.
“Serbia has shown enough patience but it has also sent a clear and firm message that the law needs to be respected and that nobody is more powerful than the state,” he told Tanjug.
In real democracies the highest sovereign are the people. But maybe he was ill, when it came to the french revolution in his history lessons...
I do not think there will be much stink about this monument anymore. the monument was not destroyed, but will be moved to a more appropriate location, like a courtyard of a mosque, or Islam cultural center. This was even condoned by Tirana and Pristina, with the blessing of the international community. There may be some hot heads in Presevo that will cry bloody murder, attack on civil rights, threaten reprisals, the usual, but it will die quickly as they will get little support from Albanian leaders. Hopefully everyone has matured a little from this monument experience. Peace to all.
Guys you need to calm down, it's not good for your souls having that much hate. I wonder why B92 is not reporting that the Albaninan leaders of Preshevo, Bujanoc and Medvegja agreed yesterday to remove the monument to a different place.
(Mendo, 20 January 2013 12:42)
Mendo, they had enough time to relocate monument, why did they wait last moment?
"And to my knowledge, the monument wasn't destroyed but moved."
Smart Serb moved this stone nice and easy. Olso stone will travel to the city Drach,
reason ? by 2042 Greaks, Serbs and Albanians will make big celebration to the original Albo leader George Maniakes who com from Sicily with all Albos 1.000 ago. He deserve monument for that time, congratulations to all and peace in the Balkan.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
thank you (indeed.)
robert leonard rope
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
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Always looking for an excuse, arne't you Robdrto?
This monument for erected glorfying terrorists and nobody would have it on their soil and you know it.
Stop being such a hypocrite. You can justify ANYTHING done by Albanians can't you, but who cares. You can support or not support anything you like but even your beloved US has said this was an internal matter. Are you going to go up against this too? Do you now disagree with the US?
So Robert, you can scream as much as you like but nobody is listening this time.
they should be happy the serbs were respectful to this terrorist monument.the serbs should have smashed this to the ground like the croats did in bosnia with bosniak terrorist monument
"Lets turn down all serbs institution in Kosovo as they are illegal institutions."
@(Ilirian, 20 January 2013 17:53)
When Serbs created legal institution there,Your primitive people work for Greaks as military to against Roman in the Sicily at that time.
In Texas, in front of the state capitol, there is a monument to those who killed american soldiers. Why ? Because that's the decision of the local authorities there. The same way that if the local authorities in Presevo, North Kosovo or whatever decide tomorrow to build a momument of their liking in their municipality's owned land, there is not much that Belgrade or Kosovo's government can do, respectively :)
(icj1, 20 January 2013 18:43)
Texas is a State!!! where as Presevo is a town.
There uis a reason why USA is called United States of America. Basicly, every state is seperate and each has their own laws... only thing that keeps them together is the "common interest," hence, your argument is a total fail!!
"The names of our heroes will always live with us" ...
(Shkoder, 20 January 2013 21:45)
Pure lie Shkoder:
Your leader George Maniakes earn minimum 3 monument:
1. Sicily is second Albo home.
2. Drach first time he comm to the Balkan (1042)
3. Ohrid Greaks complette destroy his military.
Did you build any monument at any place for your leader #1
George Maniakes is turning every yr. (or 981 times) in Ohrid without monument. Arnaut will be very happy if Tirana build one for them.
I like to wind Ari Gold up because he his from the US. However he likes to think he is a European Serb and I know it winds him up when I tell him that I'm pro-EU as he hates the EU.
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C'mon Ian, we all know who the Yanks consider Europeans. Certainly not the Balkan countries. They don't even know which countries they are.
To them Europe is Paris, London, Rome etc, but not Belgrade, Sarajevo, Zagreb and most definitely not Pristina.
So no, I don't buy your explanation and I don't think anyone else does.
LOL well the "war" that was promised in response to removing this stupid monument apparently never happened and moved to the B92 comment section. Look, for ever trigger happy member of the Albanian diaspora in Western Europe and North America and their overly emotional and highly uninformed German sympathizers (I'm talking to you Willi) screaming for revenge in Kosovo shows not only how immature you are but how clueless you still are. The removal of the monument came after it was pretty damn clear the international community didn't want to get involved. NO ONE thought about intervening on the Albanian side. The Presevo Albanians were running around desperate for help. They went as low as to beg Berisha. When he realized he could do no more than utter something stupid about Albanian nationalism, they made a last desperate attempt at getting Thaci involved. When America told him to stay quiet, they still had time to remove it themselves. Sorry but they had plenty of time to negotiate but when the response is basically "F*ck you we do what we want and if you try something we'll start a war", then you know this was a clear and open provocation.
And to my knowledge, the monument wasn't destroyed but moved. Something that would never happen in the independent lala land of Kosovo where Serb monuments have been repeatedly destroyed down to the foundation in an attempt to erase all history.
Was it actually necessary for you to tell Willi to shut up?? If I interpreted your comments correctly I believe you're saying that nothing can be done will regard to the removal of that monument to glorify some Albanian "hero" or "heroes" but in all fairness if Kosovar-Serbs erected a monument(s) of Serb "heroes" that are actually war criminals in the eyes of ethnic Albanians then would you agree that Kosovar authorities are justified in tearing down such a monument(s)?
This typically shows that absolutely nothing changed in Serbia. The Milosevic's 'puppy' is ruling with the same mentality as his master did. It's so sad to see that Serbia (who aspires to join the civilized EU nations and claiming super status for 3% Serb minority in Kosovo) is celebrating with joy the destruction of a monument dedicated to those Albanians who died for justice and equality. Shame to Serbian Government, this is not the way to EU. This is not the way you should treat Albanian minority in Serbia. Reciprocity with Serbian minority in Kosovo is a must!
(Citizen of EU, 20 January 2013 14:03)
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Died for justice and equality my ass, they died because they were terrorists that tried to create an greater albania on serbian territory and thats the reason why the monument was removed. No gloryfing monuments of terrorists that killed serb policemen on serbian territory you moron, that you can have in Tirana not in SERBIA, I hope at least now you understand that.
And you are the last ones that should be talking about reciprocity, you have been destroying churches and monesterys and everything that is serbian in KOsovo for more than a decade and yet you have the nerve to talk about some kind of reciprocity???I hope you try something so that I can come back and see you running like rats again just like you did 1999, oh happy days where have you gone!
I warmly hope that some comments from albanian side are written by children. Maybe children who live in Germany or in the USA, it doesn't matter, but children. I can't live thinking that adults can really think and argue in such simple and naive way. It remembers me the quarrels at elementary school...Please, dear albanian friends if you really want a "monument" I think serbian authorities will not object anything if it's about Skanderbeg or an albanian writer or poet... but not such a controversial monster. a little good sense and everything can go smoothly! and Willi, if you are german me I am from Congo !
This seems to me, more an INVASION on a foreign territoy than a normal police operation.. i mean where in the world you need this amount of forces, like: armored vehicles, 200 heavy armed special forces and the army in stand by etc. just to take down a monument..?!!
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Exactly. Why do you think thei much force was needed? If Albanians were a reasonable lot then Serbia would not need to send this force to secure safety of people removing it.
No he is not. He's albanian prettending to be a westerner like all other comments made by so called americans, germans etc. You albanians are truly a sad bunch.
"I suppose we're all the same to you lot".
Who is we? Why are you including yourself in the Balkan countries because you and I both know that the Yanks can tell the difference between English and foemer Yugoslavian person.
(Peggy, 20 January 2013 23:03)
Europeans.
I like to wind Ari Gold up because he his from the US. However he likes to think he is a European Serb and I know it winds him up when I tell him that I'm pro-EU as he hates the EU.
You really don't know what you have just done, don't forget that there are lots of 'monuments' in Kosova which will now have the same treatment as you just did.Be prepared to see it each day happening.
(xhevdet, 20 January 2013 11:05)
This is the way that you have treated CHURCHES and MONESTERYS, let alone monuments the last 10 years. So please just shut ur mouth!Is already happening everyday, this is just a small payback.
Was it actually necessary for you to tell Willi to shut up?? If I interpreted your comments correctly I believe you're saying that nothing can be done will regard to the removal of that monument to glorify some Albanian "hero" or "heroes" but in all fairness if Kosovar-Serbs erected a monument(s) of Serb "heroes" that are actually war criminals in the eyes of ethnic Albanians then would you agree that Kosovar authorities are justified in tearing down such a monument(s)?
(visitor to Plymouth,Minnesota,USA, 20 January 2013 16:15)
It all depends on what these monuments are. If it was a monument to commemorate Arkan or some other Serb warlord I would be the first in line calling for its removal. However cultural, religious and historical monuments like churches, gravestones and such dont merit getting smashed and destroyed.
and telling Willi to shut up. Well this guy is like a broken record that I just snapped. Sorry about that. I just cant stand WUMmers and nationalist trolls from both sides.
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Alas it saddens me to say that having any American talk about laws is much like Hannibal Lecher discussing veganism.
Which laws have the US followed? Perhaps its the human rights on treatment of prisoners in Abu Grahib prison in Iraq, you know the place we had the Iraqis chained like dogs or my favourite, the one with a KKK style hood on a chair.
The monument was awful but thought this government would have supported it staying because of their pro separatist policies. I would actually like to see an anti separatist policy.
Clearly is seen that the removal of this lapidary has pleased the general opinion in Serbia. In all Serbian electronic forums it is said that they are feeling Uplifted; Perked; Chuffed and Overjoyed.
(cipi ipic PRISHTINA, 20 January 2013 21:12)
Exactly what Tomislav and Ivica wanted... This is carefully calculated to throw a bone to the the likes of Peggy and Ari Gold in order to draw the attention away from the substantial issue of the traitorous deeds they agreed with the "organ snatcher" in regards to Kosovo :)
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 11:49)
I don’t know what you’re studying at University but a simple rule to go by in life is if you have money you can do anything if you don’t then all you can do is talk, much like a greater Albania.
There are a couple of reasons why it will not happen. Firstly to enlarge Albania would automatically impoverish even further Tirana as it would then be obliged to build hospitals, schools, roads, provide social security etc. All this costs a pack of money just ask the Germans and how much they have spent do far integrating East Germany and still not succeeding. If you’re looking towards the EU or US giving money; that’s flight has left the tarmac as the EU and US are at various levels of going broke. Then there is the fear of a large Islamic state inside Europe. Even the US Ambassador told your Albanians in Presavo to pick out a different flag and not fly the Albanian national flag.
Serbia’s strategy is simple, keep going around in circles. As far as pressure from Tirana, Pristina and Skopje is concerned, they are rolling on the floor laughing in Belgrade. When the US can’t move Belgrade what chances are there for Tirana, Pristina or Skopje, three of the poorest in the Europe?
Well if i wouldnt have money then i wouldnt have the chance to study at John Hopkins University and as you know all universities in the US cost quit a lot.the other option is I have to be fucking smart to get access to such a great education:). However I have heard that Albania and Kosovo have a lot of ressources, which the Germans and the US are interested to invest in. Albania has the see and tourism is increasing every year and apparently they found oil somewhere there and on the other hand Kosovo has coil and gold. last but not least the Albanian diaspora is huge. If they dont have money then i wonder how did Kosovo get its independence?
Exactly serbia keeps on going around circles because it has no strategy.It is also surprized by the albanians policy and diplomacy.
The only option left for serbia is to move on like germany did and focus on its economy and give all its minorities rights and the access to the market otherwise it looks bad for them. The last option that serbia can get itself out of shit is starting a war,which might be the 3rd world war and as we know from history serbia has always been a factor of such tragedies....
Once again somebody is trying to copy the 90's scenario. Thanks god Serbia has changed and the new president will not allow repeating the past mistakes.
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
LOL oh great. Another useless and fruitless project for you to support with irrational emotion solely and exclusively on internet chat sites from the confines of your computer in frisco :)
i will now support the liberation of these areas from serbia, by peaceful means.
thank you (indeed.)
robert leonard rope
(roberto, 20 January 2013 18:11)
Thank you very much for unequivocally confirming that your goal was never to promote human rights and freedom(for example you could have done it by asking 200.000 Kosovo Serbs to return,rebuild their churches,punish the perpetrators of over 1000 killed Serbs since 1999) but help to promote Greater Albanian fascism and agression!
To bad Kosovo will never become an independent state but will legally as long as UN1244 is in force stay a Serbian province!
As far as Presevo is concerned you can only dream about it...
Albanians,get the hell out of our country,you disgusting savages,wherever you are there is war,murder,plundering,rape and fascism!
You are parasites upon every society!
hope you try something so that I can come back and see you running like rats again just like you did 1999, oh happy days where have you gone!
(Daniel, 20 January 2013 16:56)
Daniel you would do us a great favor if you can repeat this every day. Make sure you capitalize it and use bold letters. We need more non-Serb eyes to see the views of the average Serb and how they dehumanize a whole nation.
@tiranaboy- what are you talking about dude? There are Greek monuments down south for their combatants. Last month the Greek ambassador even went and visited. It was all over the news as the golden down idiots had made some threats from Athens. There's monuments for the Brits, Italians and Germans too. Mind you these Greeks shelled the houses in the city of Korce and Pogradec without any concern, not to talk about rapes and murders. These from the same people that ethnically cleansed our people.
Also in the villages of Shkoder we are keeping a whole school open for about 5 ethnic Serb children. We are financing schools for the Macedonians and Greeks as well. We have all these minorities in our parliament, government our universities etc. They are an integral part of the fabric of our society. Name me one country in the region where Albanians enjoy the same status, Macedonia excluded. We had to go to war to get it.. As a matter of fact our former prime minister Pandeli Majko is of Macedonian origins. We are too nice with nothing to show for in return.
What can i say, the law won and it shall continue to do, Serbia kept its word and the albanian UCVRC showed that their terrorist organization work for the wrong picture. And Kosovo politicians are really retarded with their comments when Americans dont tell them what to say. I think Americans regret that they helped them. Now that they see that they are stupid..
Hey Serbs Albanian People are taking notes for now, Time will come you serbs will regrat it mark my words
(Bahri, 21 January 2013 06:46)
And here I thought the Albanians were illiterate. You might start by tattooing your notes on your arse so you don’t forget.
What does Kosovo have? Minerals? None to speak of; water? Not enough for even their own numbers? Arable land? Not enough to feed their numbers; industry? What little exists are the left overs of the old Yugoslavia; is Kosovo a place that you have to cross to get to somewhere? No. Who has in the last 13 invested in Kosovo: no one. Why even that silly old battleaxe Albright or should I say Alldumb retracted her premature purchase of some crappy Albanian telephone company which includes horse and stage coaches.
And now even the US telling their allies that the monument in Presavo should be taken down, but there is even more. That same US dimwhit is telling his allies that they should not wave the Albanian flag; they should pick out something else to represent them. He also told the Albo that they cannot do a thing about what has taken place today.
Yes the mighty Kosovars has the upper hand in these discussions. Yep keep telling that to yourselves. Its 2013 not 1999 – the times are a changing.
Exactly what Tomislav and Ivica wanted... This is carefully calculated to throw a bone to the the likes of Peggy and Ari Gold in order to draw the attention away from the substantial issue of the traitorous deeds they agreed with the "organ snatcher" in regards to Kosovo :)
(icj1, 21 January 2013 05:55)
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Nope, as happy as I am about the removal of this monstrosity, they don't get off the hook.
I still think they are crooked.
Hank the tank,
I have clearly stated more than once , unequivocally , that I am an Albanian. Since you're raising the topic, I was born and raised in Tirana, the capital of Albania. I don't see the need to pretend to be a Westerner, because I am very proud of my ethnic origin. But also , more importantly because I have learned to value people for their merits and characters, regardless of race, ethnicity, faith or sexual orientation.
C'mon Ian, we all know who the Yanks consider Europeans. Certainly not the Balkan countries. They don't even know which countries they are.
To them Europe is Paris, London, Rome etc, but not Belgrade, Sarajevo, Zagreb and most definitely not Pristina.
So no, I don't buy your explanation and I don't think anyone else does.
(Peggy, 21 January 2013 12:02)
Sorry but you appear to have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinion.
Well if i wouldnt have money then i wouldnt have the chance to study at "John Hopkins University and as you know all universities in the US cost quit a lot.the other option is I have to be fucking smart to get access to such a great education:)"
What an ignorant comment.
My, JohnS Hopkins has certainly lowered it academic standards if you have been admitted. You probably have never been to Baltimore, Maryland.
It is a small person who brags about their financial status and uses profanity to emphasize their intelligence.
You don't have to be rich to get student aide in the USA. You would know that if were telling the truth.
If it were for PM Mr.Dacic, Serbia would have been in the same situation as before.
Fortunately enought, there seems to be the new man in the game, Mr. Vucic who will not have it.
The truth my friends is that the world is sick and tired of our constant fighting in the Balkans about territories with names that most people can't even pronounce. So if anyone believes that the world is interested in the human rights of some Albanians living in some unknown valley that are supposedly violated, then that person must be hallucinating. The world and especially the West simply does not give a damn. Our region has become geopolitically insignificant and now it's up to us balkan people to find a way to coexist without foreign interventions. But that mission seems impossible.
This has just shown that serbia hasnt changed its position of freedom and human rights towards its ethnicities in its own country where as on the other hand, wants to join the European Union.Prime Minister Dacic keeps on mentioning the law but he has never explained what the law contains or which artikel is here touched?I just wonder which law is he reffering to?
(John Hopkins Universisy student, 20 January 2013 22:47)
Do you apply this equally to the albanians who refuse to allow the 200,000 people they cleansed to return over a decade later and ignore the blind eye turned by Brussels and western powers about this? If not, then you are a hypocrite.
What's the big deal about all this? What else you would expect from the current goverment of Serbia? The country will continue to spiral into debt and minorities will get the blame for it.
This issue of a monument could have been resolved differently, but by Balkan standards it went really well.
Both star of the day politicians, Thaqi and Tadiq now should be awarded with shared Noble peace awards for their maturity they have shown in building bridges between themselfs and srewing up both Albanian and Serbian communities.
There uis a reason why USA is called United States of America. Basicly, every state is seperate and each has their own laws... only thing that keeps them together is the "common interest," hence, your argument is a total fail!!
(GVUK, 20 January 2013 21:59)
I apologize... didn't know that the property rights don't apply in Serbia's towns because Serbia is not called "United States of Serbia".
Anyway, I was not saying that Presevo is the same as Texas... I just showed that the statement that somebody made that "I fail to see why is here anything else being discussed beside the fact that the monument is celebrating terrorist organization? Name one country in the world that would allow that" is false.
When was it? More than a hundred years ago? I think that in several hundreds years people will tolerate monuments to anybody from our generation.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2013 21:44)
Look how respectful they treated such a disgusting monument. They wrapped it up and carefully drove it away in the Bobcat. Blowing it up into a million pieces and sweeping up the remains would have been a much more efficient way of doing it.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2013 11:08)
i would have used some 50 cal or maybe 25mm, it's just me
"The reason they did it that way, is that; they will have to place it intact once again and will be displayed just like before.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 January 2013 12:16)
Did you know on wich place monument will go to be visible to the public?
This is what the outside world thinks of this terrorist monument:
"Its presence is unnecessary and inappropriate and brings back old tensions which now belong to the past, Deniau said in an interview for the Thursday edition of Politika."
http://www.tanjug.rs/news/72389/deniau--presevo-monument-internal-issue.htm
you dont have to judge your own education...this is just a newspaper therefore i dont pay that much attention to the grammar where as the context itself...
For the better or the worst the Albanian Politicians dont know how to play the game,if they could, serbia would be in deep shit..as much as dacic himself,...
holly crab... that is perfect way when people get all f...up when the truth doesn't come out from the people who really knows what really happen in ex-Yugoslavia so people can start to learn how to forgive and forget not teaching new generation how to hate or kill each other ...way to go BALKAN no doubt people cant go or get close or compare cultural, economical etc with other western country's in reality im feeling sorry for all of you who become the shovel of the others nothing more...hopefully one day all of you will wake up from the bad DREAM..PEACE
Could you answer me the questions please?my english is not relevant as you uderstand my questions trizo and peggy im not trying to impress anyone, im just looking for answers to your goverments comments as they keep on contradicting themselves with what they say.
However i think if your diplomacy or strategy won`t change towards the international community and towards the albanians then the albanians are going to achieve what they are seeking for- BIG ALBANIA.
It is crazy how much pressure Tirana,Pristina and Skopje are making on serbia..where is the serbian diplomacy?To be nationalistic at the United Nations and its own countries won`t help you much to achieve your goals...
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 13:07)
No I was not referring to your financial status. I was making a general statement that to have a greater Albania you need the cash to support such an entity which Tirana clearly does not have.
If Kosovo has “a lot of resources” then the Communist would have exploited them. Yes there are companies that are interested but its mainly gas using the hydro fracturing method which extracts gas from coal seams, but uses highly toxic chemicals and poisons the watertable. As I have said many times before I can extract coal in Australia, wash, crush and transport it ti the port of Bari in Italy than you can by digging it Kosovo.
If you think Kosovo “got its impendence” because of Albanian Diaspora then dream on mate. It’s the US trying to control that entire region, especially with Russian gas coming on, but alas the US is to use your vernacular, fucked. Sorry about that one, I forgot that US going broke is a touchy subject with the Albanians.
Albania is a poor third world country and so what if it has the sea a n a little tourism. Ask the Slovens how they are going with their rich tourism.
Serbian policy has kept the status quo in Kosovo for a long time and that is the best strategy – sooner or later Kosovo is going to go boom. We don’t reward thieves so no changes in our policy.
As far as a 3 world war, don’t worry about that because the west is not interested.
For the better or the worst the Albanian Politicians dont know how to play the game,if they could, serbia would be in deep shit..as much as dacic himself,...
(John Hopkins University student, 21 January 2013 18:14)
As a smart person what strategy should your Albanians adopt?
Considering the recent history everything went exceptionally peacefully today. Both sides avoided useless acts. Congratulations. Next they must sit down and talk about how to go forward.
I don't agree with you that Albanians are parasites upon every society. Also people like you would be foolishly mistaken to ever assume that I would treat every non-Albanian better than every Albanian all because SOME Albanians are personally more likable than SOME non-Albanians.Truth be told I ain't sorry for keeping my distance and not doing "truly" special things for both Albanians & non-Albanians whose nature it is to be appalling or irritating.
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