Serb suspected of killing one, injuring another Albanian

So now the criminals are the victims? Don't get me wrong the man could have handled the situation better, but these timber thieves, as of recent, were armed with automatic weapons. I wouldn't doubt the theives here were also armed and it's not being reported to make the Serb shooter look bad. Politics.

-the Serb shot at the two Albanians when he caught them stealing timber.-

Enough is enough! These timbertheives got what they deserve. I would mine serbian land and blow up every stinking theif that dares to steal from us.

How dare Serbs defend themselves, property, and families. If they continue to do this NATO must respond!!!

Before we get more details this is all we know for sure:

Two foolish acts have resulted in one death, one injured, three waiting to receive legal punishment, four unhappy families, God knows how many unhappy children. This doesn't make any sense at all.

Seems like the albanian thieves got what they deserved!

When are the albanians are going to learn that terrorizing and stealing from Serbs is a crime and will no longer be tolerated!

No doubt we can expect the albanian cowards to start attacking the elderly and helpless school children again.

Feel bad for the victim, but he should not have been stealing timber on property that belongs to someone else, even though he was Serbian! That is his land, and he has the right to protect what is his! If it had been the other way around, I am sure the Serb would have been shot or killed also! I do have a issue with radical & extremist Serbians! I don't have any issues with one who try's to mind his own business, takes care of his family & property! I don't care if he is Serbian, or whatever nationality! Would it have been difficult for a person to go and ask a neighbor, if he could borrow some firewood for a couple of months, so he can provide for himself and his family? Sooner or later we will have to get along with each other and, i think as human beings, we should get to that goal sooner, rather then later!!! I know there is a lot of anger left behind from the war, but it will eventually have to stop! And I say that to all sides! Now into the future, No one should have the right to blame generations that were born after the war, about the mistakes & crimes their fathers & grandfathers committed! Otherwise, all this bull.... Will just keep repeating itself!

Hope the killer is cought and brought to justice.

Timber thieves shot no doubt. There have been plenty of previous reports that albanians have been helping themselves to other people's properties. Let's see how Pristina deals with this, then we will know how european they are.

serb thugs think they can get away with murder...this is not serbia!

Stealing timber was wrong on the part of those Albanians but killing them was unwarranted and it makes sense for the authorities to arrest Momcillo Savic for aiding the suspect in evading capture.

After the U.S., Serbia has more guns per capita than any other country in the world. Bravo to that Serb for defending himself!

serbs defending them selves so they killed some thieves and were going to kill them and it back fired and now albanians want to arrest this guy for killing terrorists.serbs should hold a protest.

@Steve.B

I love how you respond... if it had been the other way around you guys would have gone crazy...Yes they tried to steel the timber, yes it was wrong to steal,but since when is timber worth a human life... but i guess when it is an Albanian it's ok for you?... Those responsible should be caught and delivered, the killer is in serbia... lets see how they will react to this. And you guys should have a bit shame, enough with this BS.. if you hate us GOOD we hate you to, but there is no reason to be unjust.

Serb suspected. REALLY?

2 Arnaut (or more Albos..?) in 2-nd shift on Serb property, if Serb don't kill tehm, he will be dead, next day albos will have celebration Tirana.

This one goes to the Serbs,

He had every right to protect his property. & if it was 2 against 1 then it is self defense. And know Albanians and being part Albanian, there were words exchanged and then they just probably ignored the guy and told him to buzz off on his own land or they were brandishing weapons themselves. In the heat of the moment shots were fired and unfortunately an ethnic Albanian is dead. And I'll probably get flack for taking the Serbian side.

Once those fires were shot and the person was wounded what is this Serb supposed to think? A) that if he turns himself in he will get treated properly by the authorities? The answer is it all depends who's a police officer at the scene and at the station. b) should I run and let things calm down and then turn myself in once I get assurances I'll be treated fairly and hope I do even though I'll be seen as a fugitive and will eventually be asked why I fled! I'd take that risk myself.

Right now we don't know the details but this guy is probably within his rights to protect his land, gun ownership could be questionable so he could be charged for that but for the killing of the trespasser & thief-- he could be absolved of any guilt.

Could it have been handled better, probably, could the thieves be trusted most likely not!

I think the request the Serbs have requested is fair & the police should honor it. & the landowner should turn himself in voluntary. He has plenty of ammunition to use after the Xmas incident.

2 Arnaut (or more Albos..?) in 2-nd shift on Serb property, if Serb don't kill tehm, he will be dead, next day albos will have celebration Tirana.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 19 January 2013 17:18)

what is this ignroant paesant trying to say I simply don't get it.

Is Serbia calling for a UN General meeting or not becaouse the victim was K-Albanian, and for what for pices of wood. Very strang comments I cannot believe my eyes when I see so cold hearted comments like this. I personally don't support any violenc.

Alban

Its tragic someone died, however some of these timber theives are armed and dangerous. These theives themselves set the fules.

Timber theives in Kosovo go to woods armed
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=07&dd=11&nav_id=81219

Kiko, 19 January 2013 17:44)
No where did I read that it was his land, the residents of the village said they were stealing timber but it is uncertain who owned the land. But even if they were stealing timber that is a legal matter and not as if the owner was under any threat necessary to use deadly force. And if the land is not the suspects, I doubt any court (other than a Serbian one) would agree he had a right to shoot someone else.

Kiko: You seem to be suggesting that killing is an appropriate punishment for the crime of trespass and theft; I hope that you have simply written this down incorrectly. It is one thing if this individual felt personally threatened but quite another if he has shot someone for stealing timber. Naturally the 'facts' are not known and when they come out they will be spun to best effect by each side. Warning shots? Were the thieves armed? Was the man shot from the front or in the back? All these questions need to be answered. I hope very much that everyone who posts on here believes that each life is of equal value and feels some sympathy for those who mourn the death of this person, however one may feel about his actions.

serb thugs think they can get away with murder...this is not serbia!
(KOSOVO, 19 January 2013 19:13)
===========================
NO, this is "Kosova" where Albanians have been getting away with murder, grave vandalism, intimidation of children and elderly, theft and arson for a very long time.
In the dream land of "Kosova" you can get away wit it all as long as you are not a Serb and turning your rage against the Serbs.

I'm sure the guy that shot the albanian will get kille sooner or later

@Steve.B

I love how you respond... if it had been the other way around you guys would have gone crazy...Yes they tried to steel the timber, yes it was wrong to steal,but since when is timber worth a human life... but i guess when it is an Albanian it's ok for you?... Those responsible should be caught and delivered, the killer is in serbia... lets see how they will react to this. And you guys should have a bit shame, enough with this BS.. if you hate us GOOD we hate you to, but there is no reason to be unjust.
(Alban, 19 January 2013)

I see my post was hard for you to comprehend. Shame.

Let me clear it up for you: I don't care if it was an Albanian killing the theif. The fact of the matter is these timber theives have been armed with automatic rifles lately. They fired on your dear KPS, have you forgotten? Would you feel bad for the timber theives if it were KPS that arrived and shot them? Didn't think so.

BTW I don't hate anyone. You guys, I definitely can't say the same for.

Yes yes this isn't the first time Albanians have tried to steal wood from Serbs. Yes they tend to steal wood with military-grade weapons. Yes they've shot at Serbian police before. And yes when someone shoots back, it's in defense. But when someone actually gets shot, the fun stops and the self-righteous comments become immature. I would have preferred the shots scared off the two thieves, but shooting one dead may very well provoke some retaliation. Sorry to say Albanians still like to shoot first and let others ask the questions later.

In the great State of Texas, you have every legal right to shoot trespassers on your private property. Don't try and tell a Texan otherwise, you will lose the argument... badly.

So, serves those trespassing, timber stealing crooks right!

Where were all you albanians when serbs were attacked and killed by your people? All you do then is find excuses to why serbs had to be killed by albanians or that it was self inflicted. We are talking about a theif who mayj not deserve to die but all over the word when there are clashes between police/civilians and criminals this might happen. I hope albanians will think twice before commiting crime next time.

one more proof of orientalic barbarism in the heart of civilized europe ...

a man is hunted for doing the right thing, shooting armed intruders.

as if this is not enough, now the property of the man acting in self-defence is questioned by sultan hasims guard of killers and war criminals ...

as if the location is - juristicaly - in any case important for self-defence and shooting of armed robbers and thugs ...

where is eulex ?

is she also not responsible for stealing of property and medieval manhunts ?

Can't believe it that some openly condone cold-blooded murder. Seriously, you are the living example why Kosovo is rightfully independent, because there thousand of your kind with uniforms and guns who rampaged through the Balkans in the 1990s, killing and raping his way through. And you call yourself Christians.

"what is this ignroant paesant trying to say I simply don't get it."
(ben, 19 January 2013 19:31)

I'm just using Turkish word Arnaut. Please drink 5 glass of the water for that I will take 1 slivovitz.

"Once those fires were shot and the person was wounded what is this Serb supposed to think? A) that if he turns himself in he will get treated properly by the authorities? The answer is it all depends who's a police officer at the scene and at the station. "
(Kiko, 19 January 2013 17:44)

It happened in Kosovo, the person who shot was Serb, KPS officers are Albanian (many of them former KLA fighters), and we all read in the last weeks how people (I wouldn't even call them suspects) are treated by KPS in prison.
So you know the answer to A)

I will take 1 slivovitz.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 20 January 2013 05:00

you better take a book instead and educate yourself before coming here to comment

It is rather disgusting that the majority of commentators approve of and defend murder as a way of resolving a timber dispute. Is this their principled position or one based on ethnicity of the victim? What if tomorrow a Serb gets killed for the same reason?

if someone goes into your house to rob you, you have the right to shoot in self-defence but if they go in a forest and steal timber you can report the incident to the police

"I'm sure the guy that shot the albanian will get kille sooner or later"
(Eric, 19 January 2013 18:19)

Mafia policy: blod for blod or sambody in his family will pay for that.

The truth is we don't know if the man was threatened, if the timbers thieves had been warned, if it was a reccuring incidint, if the theft left him in economic woes, if the police have been contacted but ignored the case etc etc.

Everything at this point is second guessing and assumptions. Sure some posters have hidden their speculations and present their views as facts but the truth is every case is unique and without knowing what makes this particular case unique your speculations only exposes your own wishes. Weither it's "A life is almost more important" or "of course thieves should get it" doesn't matter. Let's just hope the thieving, and by extension violence, stops.

Killing for wood? And even celebrating that?

What a world...

"what is this ignroant paesant trying to say I simply don't get it."
(ben, 19 January 2013 19:31)

I'm just using Turkish word Arnaut. Please drink 5 glass of the water for that I will take 1 slivovitz.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 20 January 2013 05:00)

I thought this Bugar will clarify something second time, but no, looks impossible task for him. My suggestion is, to stop that shlivovica drinking, maybe may help, unless there is not that the problem.

It is rather disgusting that the majority of commentators approve of and defend murder as a way of resolving a timber dispute. Is this their principled position or one based on ethnicity of the victim? What if tomorrow a Serb gets killed for the same reason?
(Piktor, 20 January 2013 13:49)

Hold on, dear! You are putting the a low form of life like an Albanian at the same level as a Serb ?! Serbs are the chosen people of God (the orthodox God, that is) and even throwing a stone against a Serb correctly draws more condemnation in these formus that the killing an Albanian.

BTW I don't hate anyone. You guys, I definitely can't say the same for.
(Steve B., 19 January 2013 23:31)
And this was meant to be published as the joke of the day, right?

No news here, we are used to that minimalistic behavior.

In the great State of Texas, you have every legal right to shoot trespassers on your private property. Don't try and tell a Texan otherwise, you will lose the argument... badly.

So, serves those trespassing, timber stealing crooks right!
(Don't Mess With Texas, 20 January 2013 04:03)

Yea but Texas is backwards. I know cuz I've lived there for a few years. Especially coming from NYC, the mentality of Texans is like going back in history by 300 years. I am talking about places like Dallas and Houston here not some town in the middle of nowhere. Texas is like a huge Balkan country and I mean it mentality wise. Too many hot heads who cling to guns and religion rather than reason and intellect. The Balkans is already like Texas, we're trying, hoping to make it better. So the right examples would be places like Paris, Amsterdam, NYC, London, Stockholm, Oslo not Texas. We want our people to think like people in those places, not like the rednecks of Texas. If you are not the stereotypical Texan I apologize. Hope you get the point.

serb thugs think they can get away with murder...this is not serbia!

Hope the killer is cought and brought to justice.

Seems like the albanian thieves got what they deserved!

When are the albanians are going to learn that terrorizing and stealing from Serbs is a crime and will no longer be tolerated!

No doubt we can expect the albanian cowards to start attacking the elderly and helpless school children again.

After the U.S., Serbia has more guns per capita than any other country in the world. Bravo to that Serb for defending himself!

I'm sure the guy that shot the albanian will get kille sooner or later

2 Arnaut (or more Albos..?) in 2-nd shift on Serb property, if Serb don't kill tehm, he will be dead, next day albos will have celebration Tirana.

-the Serb shot at the two Albanians when he caught them stealing timber.-

Enough is enough! These timbertheives got what they deserve. I would mine serbian land and blow up every stinking theif that dares to steal from us.

How dare Serbs defend themselves, property, and families. If they continue to do this NATO must respond!!!

@Steve.B

I love how you respond... if it had been the other way around you guys would have gone crazy...Yes they tried to steel the timber, yes it was wrong to steal,but since when is timber worth a human life... but i guess when it is an Albanian it's ok for you?... Those responsible should be caught and delivered, the killer is in serbia... lets see how they will react to this. And you guys should have a bit shame, enough with this BS.. if you hate us GOOD we hate you to, but there is no reason to be unjust.

So now the criminals are the victims? Don't get me wrong the man could have handled the situation better, but these timber thieves, as of recent, were armed with automatic weapons. I wouldn't doubt the theives here were also armed and it's not being reported to make the Serb shooter look bad. Politics.

serbs defending them selves so they killed some thieves and were going to kill them and it back fired and now albanians want to arrest this guy for killing terrorists.serbs should hold a protest.

Stealing timber was wrong on the part of those Albanians but killing them was unwarranted and it makes sense for the authorities to arrest Momcillo Savic for aiding the suspect in evading capture.

Timber thieves shot no doubt. There have been plenty of previous reports that albanians have been helping themselves to other people's properties. Let's see how Pristina deals with this, then we will know how european they are.

Serb suspected. REALLY?

This one goes to the Serbs,

He had every right to protect his property. & if it was 2 against 1 then it is self defense. And know Albanians and being part Albanian, there were words exchanged and then they just probably ignored the guy and told him to buzz off on his own land or they were brandishing weapons themselves. In the heat of the moment shots were fired and unfortunately an ethnic Albanian is dead. And I'll probably get flack for taking the Serbian side.

Once those fires were shot and the person was wounded what is this Serb supposed to think? A) that if he turns himself in he will get treated properly by the authorities? The answer is it all depends who's a police officer at the scene and at the station. b) should I run and let things calm down and then turn myself in once I get assurances I'll be treated fairly and hope I do even though I'll be seen as a fugitive and will eventually be asked why I fled! I'd take that risk myself.

Right now we don't know the details but this guy is probably within his rights to protect his land, gun ownership could be questionable so he could be charged for that but for the killing of the trespasser & thief-- he could be absolved of any guilt.

Could it have been handled better, probably, could the thieves be trusted most likely not!

I think the request the Serbs have requested is fair & the police should honor it. & the landowner should turn himself in voluntary. He has plenty of ammunition to use after the Xmas incident.

2 Arnaut (or more Albos..?) in 2-nd shift on Serb property, if Serb don't kill tehm, he will be dead, next day albos will have celebration Tirana.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 19 January 2013 17:18)

what is this ignroant paesant trying to say I simply don't get it.

Can't believe it that some openly condone cold-blooded murder. Seriously, you are the living example why Kosovo is rightfully independent, because there thousand of your kind with uniforms and guns who rampaged through the Balkans in the 1990s, killing and raping his way through. And you call yourself Christians.

Alban

Its tragic someone died, however some of these timber theives are armed and dangerous. These theives themselves set the fules.

Timber theives in Kosovo go to woods armed
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=07&dd=11&nav_id=81219

Feel bad for the victim, but he should not have been stealing timber on property that belongs to someone else, even though he was Serbian! That is his land, and he has the right to protect what is his! If it had been the other way around, I am sure the Serb would have been shot or killed also! I do have a issue with radical & extremist Serbians! I don't have any issues with one who try's to mind his own business, takes care of his family & property! I don't care if he is Serbian, or whatever nationality! Would it have been difficult for a person to go and ask a neighbor, if he could borrow some firewood for a couple of months, so he can provide for himself and his family? Sooner or later we will have to get along with each other and, i think as human beings, we should get to that goal sooner, rather then later!!! I know there is a lot of anger left behind from the war, but it will eventually have to stop! And I say that to all sides! Now into the future, No one should have the right to blame generations that were born after the war, about the mistakes & crimes their fathers & grandfathers committed! Otherwise, all this bull.... Will just keep repeating itself!

Is Serbia calling for a UN General meeting or not becaouse the victim was K-Albanian, and for what for pices of wood. Very strang comments I cannot believe my eyes when I see so cold hearted comments like this. I personally don't support any violenc.

Kiko, 19 January 2013 17:44)
No where did I read that it was his land, the residents of the village said they were stealing timber but it is uncertain who owned the land. But even if they were stealing timber that is a legal matter and not as if the owner was under any threat necessary to use deadly force. And if the land is not the suspects, I doubt any court (other than a Serbian one) would agree he had a right to shoot someone else.

one more proof of orientalic barbarism in the heart of civilized europe ...

a man is hunted for doing the right thing, shooting armed intruders.

as if this is not enough, now the property of the man acting in self-defence is questioned by sultan hasims guard of killers and war criminals ...

as if the location is - juristicaly - in any case important for self-defence and shooting of armed robbers and thugs ...

where is eulex ?

is she also not responsible for stealing of property and medieval manhunts ?

It is rather disgusting that the majority of commentators approve of and defend murder as a way of resolving a timber dispute. Is this their principled position or one based on ethnicity of the victim? What if tomorrow a Serb gets killed for the same reason?

I will take 1 slivovitz.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 20 January 2013 05:00

you better take a book instead and educate yourself before coming here to comment

"what is this ignroant paesant trying to say I simply don't get it."
(ben, 19 January 2013 19:31)

I'm just using Turkish word Arnaut. Please drink 5 glass of the water for that I will take 1 slivovitz.

Where were all you albanians when serbs were attacked and killed by your people? All you do then is find excuses to why serbs had to be killed by albanians or that it was self inflicted. We are talking about a theif who mayj not deserve to die but all over the word when there are clashes between police/civilians and criminals this might happen. I hope albanians will think twice before commiting crime next time.

Kiko: You seem to be suggesting that killing is an appropriate punishment for the crime of trespass and theft; I hope that you have simply written this down incorrectly. It is one thing if this individual felt personally threatened but quite another if he has shot someone for stealing timber. Naturally the 'facts' are not known and when they come out they will be spun to best effect by each side. Warning shots? Were the thieves armed? Was the man shot from the front or in the back? All these questions need to be answered. I hope very much that everyone who posts on here believes that each life is of equal value and feels some sympathy for those who mourn the death of this person, however one may feel about his actions.

@Steve.B

I love how you respond... if it had been the other way around you guys would have gone crazy...Yes they tried to steel the timber, yes it was wrong to steal,but since when is timber worth a human life... but i guess when it is an Albanian it's ok for you?... Those responsible should be caught and delivered, the killer is in serbia... lets see how they will react to this. And you guys should have a bit shame, enough with this BS.. if you hate us GOOD we hate you to, but there is no reason to be unjust.
(Alban, 19 January 2013)

I see my post was hard for you to comprehend. Shame.

Let me clear it up for you: I don't care if it was an Albanian killing the theif. The fact of the matter is these timber theives have been armed with automatic rifles lately. They fired on your dear KPS, have you forgotten? Would you feel bad for the timber theives if it were KPS that arrived and shot them? Didn't think so.

BTW I don't hate anyone. You guys, I definitely can't say the same for.

Yes yes this isn't the first time Albanians have tried to steal wood from Serbs. Yes they tend to steal wood with military-grade weapons. Yes they've shot at Serbian police before. And yes when someone shoots back, it's in defense. But when someone actually gets shot, the fun stops and the self-righteous comments become immature. I would have preferred the shots scared off the two thieves, but shooting one dead may very well provoke some retaliation. Sorry to say Albanians still like to shoot first and let others ask the questions later.

Killing for wood? And even celebrating that?

What a world...

In the great State of Texas, you have every legal right to shoot trespassers on your private property. Don't try and tell a Texan otherwise, you will lose the argument... badly.

So, serves those trespassing, timber stealing crooks right!

"Once those fires were shot and the person was wounded what is this Serb supposed to think? A) that if he turns himself in he will get treated properly by the authorities? The answer is it all depends who's a police officer at the scene and at the station. "
(Kiko, 19 January 2013 17:44)

It happened in Kosovo, the person who shot was Serb, KPS officers are Albanian (many of them former KLA fighters), and we all read in the last weeks how people (I wouldn't even call them suspects) are treated by KPS in prison.
So you know the answer to A)

It is rather disgusting that the majority of commentators approve of and defend murder as a way of resolving a timber dispute. Is this their principled position or one based on ethnicity of the victim? What if tomorrow a Serb gets killed for the same reason?
(Piktor, 20 January 2013 13:49)

Hold on, dear! You are putting the a low form of life like an Albanian at the same level as a Serb ?! Serbs are the chosen people of God (the orthodox God, that is) and even throwing a stone against a Serb correctly draws more condemnation in these formus that the killing an Albanian.

serb thugs think they can get away with murder...this is not serbia!
(KOSOVO, 19 January 2013 19:13)
===========================
NO, this is "Kosova" where Albanians have been getting away with murder, grave vandalism, intimidation of children and elderly, theft and arson for a very long time.
In the dream land of "Kosova" you can get away wit it all as long as you are not a Serb and turning your rage against the Serbs.

"I'm sure the guy that shot the albanian will get kille sooner or later"
(Eric, 19 January 2013 18:19)

Mafia policy: blod for blod or sambody in his family will pay for that.

BTW I don't hate anyone. You guys, I definitely can't say the same for.
(Steve B., 19 January 2013 23:31)
And this was meant to be published as the joke of the day, right?

Before we get more details this is all we know for sure:

Two foolish acts have resulted in one death, one injured, three waiting to receive legal punishment, four unhappy families, God knows how many unhappy children. This doesn't make any sense at all.

No news here, we are used to that minimalistic behavior.

if someone goes into your house to rob you, you have the right to shoot in self-defence but if they go in a forest and steal timber you can report the incident to the police

In the great State of Texas, you have every legal right to shoot trespassers on your private property. Don't try and tell a Texan otherwise, you will lose the argument... badly.

So, serves those trespassing, timber stealing crooks right!
(Don't Mess With Texas, 20 January 2013 04:03)

Yea but Texas is backwards. I know cuz I've lived there for a few years. Especially coming from NYC, the mentality of Texans is like going back in history by 300 years. I am talking about places like Dallas and Houston here not some town in the middle of nowhere. Texas is like a huge Balkan country and I mean it mentality wise. Too many hot heads who cling to guns and religion rather than reason and intellect. The Balkans is already like Texas, we're trying, hoping to make it better. So the right examples would be places like Paris, Amsterdam, NYC, London, Stockholm, Oslo not Texas. We want our people to think like people in those places, not like the rednecks of Texas. If you are not the stereotypical Texan I apologize. Hope you get the point.

"what is this ignroant paesant trying to say I simply don't get it."
(ben, 19 January 2013 19:31)

I'm just using Turkish word Arnaut. Please drink 5 glass of the water for that I will take 1 slivovitz.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 20 January 2013 05:00)

I thought this Bugar will clarify something second time, but no, looks impossible task for him. My suggestion is, to stop that shlivovica drinking, maybe may help, unless there is not that the problem.

The truth is we don't know if the man was threatened, if the timbers thieves had been warned, if it was a reccuring incidint, if the theft left him in economic woes, if the police have been contacted but ignored the case etc etc.

Everything at this point is second guessing and assumptions. Sure some posters have hidden their speculations and present their views as facts but the truth is every case is unique and without knowing what makes this particular case unique your speculations only exposes your own wishes. Weither it's "A life is almost more important" or "of course thieves should get it" doesn't matter. Let's just hope the thieving, and by extension violence, stops.