Bosniaks protest over Serbian WW1-era song

I don't see what the 'bosniaks' have to complain about, this song is dedicated to a battle against Austria-Hungary where their army suffered a heavy defeat.

'March on the Drina glorifies the sacrifice of the Serbian Kingdom soldiers who defended against the invasion along the area of the river - which resulted in the first Allied victory of the war when the Serbians won the Battle of Cer.'

Precisely, and any 'Bosniak' who is offended by this is completely delusional. To any such people out there, I have a gift for you, enjoy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6J0wAtzXTs
Cheers!!

The song is played regularly in Vienna by the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra. Why don't they write a protest note to the Austrian government. Morons.

Let's not forget that President Harry Truman flew the Serbian flag over the White House in 1918 to remember the valor and the bravery of the Serbs during WWI.

Lots of irony here. That song was used during Serbia's resistance against Austria-Hungry while Serbia's weak and feeble (not the first nor last time) happily sided with the empire without a problem. The reason its ironic is because Serbia was already an independent state at the time but was in fact fighting for the region of Bosnia's freedom from that same empire.

The second reason its kinda funny is because that song is older than the entire "Bosniak nation" as we all know that was a Titoist post WWII invention.

Just shut it.

My goodness, Bosniaks can't understand what the song is about and it's in their native tongue. It wasn't written in cryptic.

I think the Bosniaks suffer from Serbophobia, common amongst some Albanians in Kosovo also. Anything that sounds, tastes or smells of anything Serbian, is immediately thought to be an attack on them. The people of the Balkans should lighten up a bit, if they keep behaving like that, the wounds of the recent wars will never heal. If I am correct, their have been quite a few serbian casualties at the hands of Bosniaks, Croats, and Albanians, yet some choose to find a 100 year old song offensive. If was played in honor of Orthodox New Year, so "Bosno Moja" (My Bosnia) would have been a bit out of place, although Serbs would not have made as big a stink.

Muslims really shot themselves in the foot here. They come across as uneducated or malicious. or both.

Please people, read cerfully! First of all, Ban Ki Moon did not apologise over the matter but expressed his regrets that some people got offended by this song. Ban's spokesperson reiterated today that there was no apology from the UN but just regrets.

Once again Bosniaks have been acting truly pathetic. I can understand how difficult might be when the one does not have a clue about own identity which is happening with Bosniaks ( including some others in the region) for so many years. However,their sick jelousy and obsession with the Serbs gives them no rights to spread lies,ill information and what not.

I truly sorry that this malicious attempt by the Bosniaks was not recognised as another opportunity to stigmatise Serbs, and as such, completely ignored by the UN officials as by the journalists as well.

In my opinion, all this has nothing to do with the song itself. If this song haven't been played during the recent event, Bosniaks would find some other reason to protest just out of pure jelousy. Our neighbours can't accept the fact that Vuk Jeremic is a President of the United Nations General Assembly, and that is their main diagnose of the illness.

Here goes my support to Vuk Jeremic!

And this is something I would like to share with my neighbours :))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkcNBux3Kvk

Cheers and enjoy!

"I think the Bosniaks suffer from Serbophobia, common amongst some Albanians in Kosovo also. Anything that sounds, tastes or smells of anything Serbian, is immediately thought to be an attack on them."

Not really. Many Bosnians listen to Serbian music on a regular basis. But we do find it offensive if the UN plays a song that is often heard during chetnik rallies. That's all there is to it. No hard feelings towards the UN, however. I'm sure the only reason why they played this song is because of Vuk Jeremic.

How could somebody expect that a war song might not offend anybody...? Even during Milosevic time the Serbian government knew about how delicate that song is, especially during the savage war in Bosnia and denied it to be the new national anthem.

Serbia missed a very good opportunity to show herself as a peaceful and modern nation. Without that song, it would have been a good step, but now we see once again that provocations is the only thing Jeremic can produce. At least the General Secretary regrets that it happened and openly said it.

Funny...Radical Islam com to the America and follow " Marsh na Drinu". This Old music from WWI don't have nothing with 2-nd Yuga.

This modified comment says that Perhaps a Compromise could be that Bosnia and Herzegovina create a Croat Entity, and grant Independence to the Republic of Srpska.

I hope that it was not Austria or Germany that did not like this song and ordered its Puppet to make a fuss over this thing.

While a Person of Serbian Ethnicity did kill Archduke Ferdinand and his wife, it could have been the Austrians or Germans who manipulated, controlled, or paid for these things.

The World understands these things, and some European Countries do not approve of those who fought against Nazi Evil in 2 European World Wars, and reflected by their Attitude towards the Serbian People, and towards Serbia and its Province of Kosovo.

There are some European Union Countries who like to think of themselves as a Civilized Culture, because they Fraudulently and Corruptly purchased a Nobel Peace Prize, while overlooking the Evil Deeds that are perpetrated against Serbs on their own Land, and overlooking the Monument to Evil that the KLA has built in Southern Serbia.

Putting aside the ethnic element of this story, what is obvious is that it is Vuk Jeremic that is quickly becoming another UN blunder.

Note to Mr Vuk Jeremic:
You are expected to behave like the President of the United Nations General Assembly -

NOT the President of the Serbian Interests of the Serbian Delegation of the United Nations Gerneral Assembly.

If you dont understand the difference, please remove yourself from the position. Serba already have a bad name becuase if its blind nationalism - you sir are not helping that reputation at all.

It looks like that the UN General Secretary apologizes for that song:

[link]

Vuk not only screwed it, now that controversy backfires at him, too. But since the ICJ disaster he's used to lose within UN facilities.
(Commentator, 18 January 2013 21:28)
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It says exactly the same thing as it does here. It says "We sincerely regret" not we apolgise.
The song was written long before 90s and has NOTHING to do with 90s.
Now if Serbs were at war with the enemy which remained the enemy in WW2 as well insults Muslims, too bad. They should've not attached themselves to that same enemy.

According to international media (Google News headlines), the "UN apologizes for applauding Serbian genocide song."
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That's the headline, but did you read the article? It says the same as it says here. Regrettable that they found it offensive but no apology. Does not say regrettable that it was played only that someone found it offensive.

What is behind the controversy of "Mars na Drinu":

http://ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/sdrpt7b.htm

"Day and night, soldiers came to the house taking two to three women at a time. They were four to five guards at all times, all local Foca Serbs. The woman knew the rapes would begin when 'Mars na Drinu' was played over the loudspeaker of the main mosque. ('Mars na Drinu,' or 'March on the Drina', is reportedly a former Chetnik fighting song that was banned during the Tito years.)

While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes."

March on the Drina, in its essence, has a diametrically different association to that being portrayed here by the Bosniak activists or those monsters that have misused it in the past. That said, a militant song should not have been performed in the UN. It simply defeats the purpose. This is a political podium first and foremost. I don't think the choice was malicious at all, but they should have been much more considerate. They should have known better.

It looks like that the UN General Secretary apologizes for that song:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/world/europe/united-nations-apologizes-over-serbian-song.html

Vuk not only screwed it, now that controversy backfires at him, too. But since the ICJ disaster he's used to lose within UN facilities.

Are They Hypocrits or Idiotic Fools or bouth ?

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The Bosniak associations said earlier in the week that the UNGA concert represented "a scandalous humiliation of the victims of genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina, because the band played a notorious, violent Serb nationalistic song, March on the Drina".

Comment - This they said albait the Muslim and Croatian Genozide against the Serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina during World War Two.

Arn.Sweden.

There is nothing wrong with the song, just it will be when Croatia presides over the UNGA chair an invites Thomson to sing for the liberation of Croatia.

As a loyal patron of Her Royal Magesty Queen Elizibeth II I personally find it in tremendoulsy bad taste every time I hear the war song played at every baseball game, every football game, every nascar race. The song that glorifies the brutal killing of all those great British soldiers who were killed at the hands of the barbarous Americans.
Every American sings this song that is dedicated to war, fighting and killing of innocent British who were just there to protect what was theirs. At every American killing rally they play this. The children learn this song and glorify the murders of all those loyal to the throne. Dispicable I say.

"Funny...Radical Islam com to the America and follow " Marsh na Drinu". This Old music from WWI don't have nothing with 2-nd Yuga.

(Bugar from Skoplje, 18 January 2013 17:20)"

According to international media (Google News headlines), the "UN apologizes for applauding Serbian genocide song."

And as for "Truman" (Wilson, maybe?) flying the Serbian flag in Washington in 1918 - that's not so hard to imagine. The Secretary of State called on the people of the country to attend special church services that year to remember the victims of Serbia. At one time, there was a great deal of sympathy for Serbia in the U.S.

Dragane - Hvala Mnogo !.

I have heard this - Mars na Drinu - some Fifty Years ago,
but have had the thought it had something with the Camel Caravans of Northern Africa to do.

A wery Powefull Melody.

Cheers it was !.

Arn.Sweden.

In 2-nd Yuga Bosnian people change name almost every 10 yr.
Neopredeljeni, Muslim-Serb , Muslim and today Bosniak.
I'm positive if they go this way, after 10 yr. they will say we are Serb.
God them good they will be turn on " Marsh na Drinu" with full respect.

Andrej can you please not generalize about Muslims.Just cause some are uneducated don't mean that they're all uneducated.

(A.A., 18 January 2013 22:15)

There are many Serbian women that have the same story as you have posted but as the Serbs were predetermined to be the aggressors then these are overlooked or simply ignored. Unfortunately these things happen during times of chaos and lawlessness – even a supposedly well disciplined army such as the US, there were incidents of rape occurring inj Iraq. I am not trying to make light of this situation but simply pointing out that it does happen.
March on the River Drina is not a “Chetnic” song. It celebrates the Serbian win over the much better equipped and far superior numerically army of the Austro-Hungarians in WW1. Some groups have taken upon themselves to play this but it belongs to the Serbian people. In fact even Herbert Von Karajan directed the Berlin Philharmonic who played this piece in Vienna many times. Now if anyone should have objections it was the Austrians considering what it represents to them.
Your only making yourselves look foolish over this issue.

face it, Jermic shot himself in the foot, like so many times in the past, and The UN Secritary will remember this for a long time. The relationship between the two will suffer as a result, and Jermic can burry his plans to follow Ban Ki-Moon as a UN Secreatary General. He showed the world once more, that he simply does not have the standing, the character, to fill this job, or even his current job. The man is simply too possessed with serb national ideas, and a complete failure at his UN job.

When Bosniaks, Montenegrin s and Croats will understand that their grandfathers were Serbs ????

When Bosniaks, Montenegrin s and Croats will understand that their grandfathers were Serbs ????
(Great Serbia Sesejl, 19 January 2013 01:08)

Serbs never changed their religion... LOL

you can't have it both ways man.. even if you are ignorant uber-serb

face it, willi, your credibility is zero. You are chronically negative and anti Serb ... you lack objectivity.

As for you judging Jeremic ... you can't even spell his name correctly.

Mars na Drinu! I do not apologise and I don't care who was offended because they're just uneducated and trying to get something from nothing.

Go and keep crying but don't blame it on people who had nothing to do with your losses. Trying to bring down a whole nation like these Bosniaks do is just like us saying that all muslims are uneducated and violent fundamentalists.

Most of them got raped by Turks or bowed down to them anyway so it shows just how strong their character was. Our families were raped beaten and tortured but we never 'changed' our beliefs like the Bosniaks and Albanians in Kosovo did.

"I don't see what the 'bosniaks' have to complain about, this song is dedicated to a battle against Austria-Hungary where their army suffered a heavy defeat."
(SCP UK, 18 January 2013 14:27)
Neopredeljeni, Muslim-Serb, Muslim, Bosniaks,(use any name) go over Drina river to serv Austrian military. In Serbia total disaster on CER and KOLUBARA. When Tito is on the power " Marsh na Drinu " is not permited in Yuga, today this former Serb wanted to use Tito policy in thear hand outside Bosnia at any place arround globe. To late for that.
" Matsh na Drinu " is one of the best song created in the Balkan in past 100 yr. do to high value, this songs is turned on and will run for ever.

While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes."
(A.A., 18 January 2013 22:15)

sounds like Jews are the cause of all misery in Muslim world.... the exaggeration´and lying by Muslims is nth new, even in the house of court, to smear kuffirs - why don' t you tell how it was otherwise - Mulsim hords, including ' guests' from other Islamic countries raping infidels, decapitating etc? Or was that not a case? It was Muslim aggression that started the war anyway....

Amer,

you're partly right but also wrong. There's that triumphalist third stanza celebrating their foes' blood washing their foul footsteps' pollution. They were asked not to sing this verse on UK territory during WWII.

Also, you can't deny that the 4th stanza is a bit warmongering: "Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just"

So, the parts of the Star Spangled Banner that we normally hear at baseball games isn't really a "war song" (it's kind of ridiculous, actually. It's just a question: "do you see it??")

But the parts we don't here are both triumphalist and war-mongering.

As for Mars na Drinu - A hauntingly beautiful song. Too bad Serbian paramilitary groups co-opted it, along with every other symbol of Serbian national identity.

(Peggy, 18 January 2013 23:17)

You regard the headline as detached from the text block? I think the message of the General Secretary was quite clear and I'm sure that next time he will much more careful when interacting with Vuk, since it is not the first time that the UNGA clown has his own agenda.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/serb-anthem-provokes-protests-un-apology/story-e6frg6so-1226556492669

http://www.thepublicopinion.com/news/associated_press/national/us/article_da3c489e-0471-5e5d-a1e0-977c1f6ff697.html

http://www.bosniak.org/cnab-welcomes-the-apology-of-the-united-nations-for-serb-nationalist-song-ovation/

If you need more sources, let me know.

The man is simply too possessed with serb national ideas, and a complete failure at his UN job.
(willi Pfaff, 19 January 2013 12:49)
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And what qualifies you to judge that?
Wishful thinking all the time with you Albanians.

If you need more sources, let me know.
(Commentator, 19 January 2013 01:18)
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No they are all copy, paste anyway. They all say the same thing.
Nowhere does it say 'we apologize'. They all say that it's regrettable that some people found it offensive.
You know that sort of journalism puts a catchy headline out there but doesn't support it with the body of the text?

(Commentator, 18 January 2013 21:28)

Typical of the New York Times writer. He calls the Cer battle infamous and gives no further detail. Quotes the statement partially and manages to construct that the song became an anthem of Serbian forces that fought in Bosnia. It also implies that the river is inside the country where, I suppose, angry Serb hordes occasionally march in to slaughter and throw some people down the stream. You know... for the heck of it.

(Peggy, 18 January 2013 23:13)

I posted a link to where it is connected. Of course, you will not answer to it, or even downplay, since it has zero to do with your claim, but that says more than 1000 words can do.

"The song that glorifies the brutal killing of all those great British soldiers who were killed at the hands of the barbarous Americans.
Every American sings this song that is dedicated to war, fighting and killing of innocent British who were just there to protect what was theirs. At every American killing rally they play this. The children learn this song and glorify the murders of all those loyal to the throne. Dispicable I say.
(Colonial, 18 January 2013 22:29) "

It's obvious you've never heard the song: here are the lyrics - http://www.usa-flag-site.org/song-lyrics/star-spangled-banner.shtml

This is a song about relief at escaping destruction, and hope for the future, not a glorification of war. There's a reference to a "haughty foe," but the Brits did tend to be a bit - well, haughty - toward their former colony, for a while.

It is difficult to sing, I'll grant you that much.

As far as the Bosniak nation's concerned: Yes, it's an artificial construct - just like the Croat nation and the Serb nation which are only about 150-200 years older than the Bosniak nation.

Oh there are Bosniaks speaking English???

oh nice as you never see them when there is something about Kosova- despite the fact that there were almost 10 thousand Albanians fighting along Bosniaks during the 90s.

Personally I pretty much enjoyed the Marsh na Drinu. Historical song a testimony of the tragedy of the Serbian nation due to their idiotic policy which let their country one more time to be manipulated by the great powers- with the primisse that after the war they will be allowed to take 2 more montains form their neighbours and their country will look pretty large on the map.

Amber you make an obviously ridiculous assumption as I clearly stated that I hear that sing all the time. The star spangled banner is a song about a battle during the American war of aggression of 1812. However most Americans associate that song with the revolutionary war. Eitherway it, like march on tge drubs is a song commemorating the war it was written about.

The adhan should be banned publicly because it uses the words allahu akbar. This terminology has been used as a motivational tool just before many gruseome, barbaric and bloody massacres. Thankyou and shoutout to the hate club that started this riduculous debate. Maybee it is time to investigate their activities. Shutting them down will remove an unnecessary hurdle to reconcilliation.

"Oh there are Bosniaks speaking English???

oh nice as you never see them when there is something about Kosova- despite the fact that there were almost 10 thousand Albanians fighting along Bosniaks during the 90s. "

Thing probably would be easier with a less fanatic Kosovo government. Cooperation with somebody like Thaci who deliberately escalates things is not precisely easy.

Inhabitants of Serbia did not consider themselves Serbs in medieval times. They considered themselves inhabitants of a certain region, orthodox christs, but in no way thought of themselves as Serbs in today's meaning.

Just like that, inhabitants of medieval Croatia didn't consider themselves Croats, etc.

As far as Bosnia's concerned, people used to consider themselves inhabitants of a certain region + orthodox Christs, Catholic christs or Muslims, but certainly didn't think of themselves as Serbs, Croats or Bosniaks.

Only in the 19th century the haute-bourgeoisie introduced the concept of nationhood. It was then that catholic Christs from BiH started to consider themselves Croats and orthodox Christs started to consider themselves Serbs.

Bosniaks had no reason to consider themselves a nation at that time. They only started to do so under Tito & (even stronger) after the end of socialism.

All this is a well known fact generally accepted by historians. Other interpretations are unscientific, nationalist propaganda.

How could somebody expect that a war song might not offend anybody...? Even during Milosevic time the Serbian government knew about how delicate that song is, especially during the savage war in Bosnia and denied it to be the new national anthem.

Serbia missed a very good opportunity to show herself as a peaceful and modern nation. Without that song, it would have been a good step, but now we see once again that provocations is the only thing Jeremic can produce. At least the General Secretary regrets that it happened and openly said it.

Putting aside the ethnic element of this story, what is obvious is that it is Vuk Jeremic that is quickly becoming another UN blunder.

Note to Mr Vuk Jeremic:
You are expected to behave like the President of the United Nations General Assembly -

NOT the President of the Serbian Interests of the Serbian Delegation of the United Nations Gerneral Assembly.

If you dont understand the difference, please remove yourself from the position. Serba already have a bad name becuase if its blind nationalism - you sir are not helping that reputation at all.

I don't see what the 'bosniaks' have to complain about, this song is dedicated to a battle against Austria-Hungary where their army suffered a heavy defeat.

Lots of irony here. That song was used during Serbia's resistance against Austria-Hungry while Serbia's weak and feeble (not the first nor last time) happily sided with the empire without a problem. The reason its ironic is because Serbia was already an independent state at the time but was in fact fighting for the region of Bosnia's freedom from that same empire.

The second reason its kinda funny is because that song is older than the entire "Bosniak nation" as we all know that was a Titoist post WWII invention.

Just shut it.

My goodness, Bosniaks can't understand what the song is about and it's in their native tongue. It wasn't written in cryptic.

'March on the Drina glorifies the sacrifice of the Serbian Kingdom soldiers who defended against the invasion along the area of the river - which resulted in the first Allied victory of the war when the Serbians won the Battle of Cer.'

Precisely, and any 'Bosniak' who is offended by this is completely delusional. To any such people out there, I have a gift for you, enjoy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6J0wAtzXTs
Cheers!!

I think the Bosniaks suffer from Serbophobia, common amongst some Albanians in Kosovo also. Anything that sounds, tastes or smells of anything Serbian, is immediately thought to be an attack on them. The people of the Balkans should lighten up a bit, if they keep behaving like that, the wounds of the recent wars will never heal. If I am correct, their have been quite a few serbian casualties at the hands of Bosniaks, Croats, and Albanians, yet some choose to find a 100 year old song offensive. If was played in honor of Orthodox New Year, so "Bosno Moja" (My Bosnia) would have been a bit out of place, although Serbs would not have made as big a stink.

Muslims really shot themselves in the foot here. They come across as uneducated or malicious. or both.

It looks like that the UN General Secretary apologizes for that song:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/world/europe/united-nations-apologizes-over-serbian-song.html

Vuk not only screwed it, now that controversy backfires at him, too. But since the ICJ disaster he's used to lose within UN facilities.

There is nothing wrong with the song, just it will be when Croatia presides over the UNGA chair an invites Thomson to sing for the liberation of Croatia.

Please people, read cerfully! First of all, Ban Ki Moon did not apologise over the matter but expressed his regrets that some people got offended by this song. Ban's spokesperson reiterated today that there was no apology from the UN but just regrets.

Once again Bosniaks have been acting truly pathetic. I can understand how difficult might be when the one does not have a clue about own identity which is happening with Bosniaks ( including some others in the region) for so many years. However,their sick jelousy and obsession with the Serbs gives them no rights to spread lies,ill information and what not.

I truly sorry that this malicious attempt by the Bosniaks was not recognised as another opportunity to stigmatise Serbs, and as such, completely ignored by the UN officials as by the journalists as well.

In my opinion, all this has nothing to do with the song itself. If this song haven't been played during the recent event, Bosniaks would find some other reason to protest just out of pure jelousy. Our neighbours can't accept the fact that Vuk Jeremic is a President of the United Nations General Assembly, and that is their main diagnose of the illness.

Here goes my support to Vuk Jeremic!

And this is something I would like to share with my neighbours :))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkcNBux3Kvk

Cheers and enjoy!

It looks like that the UN General Secretary apologizes for that song:

[link]

Vuk not only screwed it, now that controversy backfires at him, too. But since the ICJ disaster he's used to lose within UN facilities.
(Commentator, 18 January 2013 21:28)
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It says exactly the same thing as it does here. It says "We sincerely regret" not we apolgise.
The song was written long before 90s and has NOTHING to do with 90s.
Now if Serbs were at war with the enemy which remained the enemy in WW2 as well insults Muslims, too bad. They should've not attached themselves to that same enemy.

Let's not forget that President Harry Truman flew the Serbian flag over the White House in 1918 to remember the valor and the bravery of the Serbs during WWI.

According to international media (Google News headlines), the "UN apologizes for applauding Serbian genocide song."
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That's the headline, but did you read the article? It says the same as it says here. Regrettable that they found it offensive but no apology. Does not say regrettable that it was played only that someone found it offensive.

What is behind the controversy of "Mars na Drinu":

http://ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/sdrpt7b.htm

"Day and night, soldiers came to the house taking two to three women at a time. They were four to five guards at all times, all local Foca Serbs. The woman knew the rapes would begin when 'Mars na Drinu' was played over the loudspeaker of the main mosque. ('Mars na Drinu,' or 'March on the Drina', is reportedly a former Chetnik fighting song that was banned during the Tito years.)

While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes."

This modified comment says that Perhaps a Compromise could be that Bosnia and Herzegovina create a Croat Entity, and grant Independence to the Republic of Srpska.

I hope that it was not Austria or Germany that did not like this song and ordered its Puppet to make a fuss over this thing.

While a Person of Serbian Ethnicity did kill Archduke Ferdinand and his wife, it could have been the Austrians or Germans who manipulated, controlled, or paid for these things.

The World understands these things, and some European Countries do not approve of those who fought against Nazi Evil in 2 European World Wars, and reflected by their Attitude towards the Serbian People, and towards Serbia and its Province of Kosovo.

There are some European Union Countries who like to think of themselves as a Civilized Culture, because they Fraudulently and Corruptly purchased a Nobel Peace Prize, while overlooking the Evil Deeds that are perpetrated against Serbs on their own Land, and overlooking the Monument to Evil that the KLA has built in Southern Serbia.

In 2-nd Yuga Bosnian people change name almost every 10 yr.
Neopredeljeni, Muslim-Serb , Muslim and today Bosniak.
I'm positive if they go this way, after 10 yr. they will say we are Serb.
God them good they will be turn on " Marsh na Drinu" with full respect.

Funny...Radical Islam com to the America and follow " Marsh na Drinu". This Old music from WWI don't have nothing with 2-nd Yuga.

face it, Jermic shot himself in the foot, like so many times in the past, and The UN Secritary will remember this for a long time. The relationship between the two will suffer as a result, and Jermic can burry his plans to follow Ban Ki-Moon as a UN Secreatary General. He showed the world once more, that he simply does not have the standing, the character, to fill this job, or even his current job. The man is simply too possessed with serb national ideas, and a complete failure at his UN job.

The song is played regularly in Vienna by the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra. Why don't they write a protest note to the Austrian government. Morons.

"I think the Bosniaks suffer from Serbophobia, common amongst some Albanians in Kosovo also. Anything that sounds, tastes or smells of anything Serbian, is immediately thought to be an attack on them."

Not really. Many Bosnians listen to Serbian music on a regular basis. But we do find it offensive if the UN plays a song that is often heard during chetnik rallies. That's all there is to it. No hard feelings towards the UN, however. I'm sure the only reason why they played this song is because of Vuk Jeremic.

Oh there are Bosniaks speaking English???

oh nice as you never see them when there is something about Kosova- despite the fact that there were almost 10 thousand Albanians fighting along Bosniaks during the 90s.

Personally I pretty much enjoyed the Marsh na Drinu. Historical song a testimony of the tragedy of the Serbian nation due to their idiotic policy which let their country one more time to be manipulated by the great powers- with the primisse that after the war they will be allowed to take 2 more montains form their neighbours and their country will look pretty large on the map.

Andrej can you please not generalize about Muslims.Just cause some are uneducated don't mean that they're all uneducated.

Are They Hypocrits or Idiotic Fools or bouth ?

I Quote -

The Bosniak associations said earlier in the week that the UNGA concert represented "a scandalous humiliation of the victims of genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina, because the band played a notorious, violent Serb nationalistic song, March on the Drina".

Comment - This they said albait the Muslim and Croatian Genozide against the Serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina during World War Two.

Arn.Sweden.

As a loyal patron of Her Royal Magesty Queen Elizibeth II I personally find it in tremendoulsy bad taste every time I hear the war song played at every baseball game, every football game, every nascar race. The song that glorifies the brutal killing of all those great British soldiers who were killed at the hands of the barbarous Americans.
Every American sings this song that is dedicated to war, fighting and killing of innocent British who were just there to protect what was theirs. At every American killing rally they play this. The children learn this song and glorify the murders of all those loyal to the throne. Dispicable I say.

When Bosniaks, Montenegrin s and Croats will understand that their grandfathers were Serbs ????
(Great Serbia Sesejl, 19 January 2013 01:08)

Serbs never changed their religion... LOL

you can't have it both ways man.. even if you are ignorant uber-serb

"Funny...Radical Islam com to the America and follow " Marsh na Drinu". This Old music from WWI don't have nothing with 2-nd Yuga.

(Bugar from Skoplje, 18 January 2013 17:20)"

According to international media (Google News headlines), the "UN apologizes for applauding Serbian genocide song."

And as for "Truman" (Wilson, maybe?) flying the Serbian flag in Washington in 1918 - that's not so hard to imagine. The Secretary of State called on the people of the country to attend special church services that year to remember the victims of Serbia. At one time, there was a great deal of sympathy for Serbia in the U.S.

March on the Drina, in its essence, has a diametrically different association to that being portrayed here by the Bosniak activists or those monsters that have misused it in the past. That said, a militant song should not have been performed in the UN. It simply defeats the purpose. This is a political podium first and foremost. I don't think the choice was malicious at all, but they should have been much more considerate. They should have known better.

While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes."
(A.A., 18 January 2013 22:15)

sounds like Jews are the cause of all misery in Muslim world.... the exaggeration´and lying by Muslims is nth new, even in the house of court, to smear kuffirs - why don' t you tell how it was otherwise - Mulsim hords, including ' guests' from other Islamic countries raping infidels, decapitating etc? Or was that not a case? It was Muslim aggression that started the war anyway....

(A.A., 18 January 2013 22:15)

There are many Serbian women that have the same story as you have posted but as the Serbs were predetermined to be the aggressors then these are overlooked or simply ignored. Unfortunately these things happen during times of chaos and lawlessness – even a supposedly well disciplined army such as the US, there were incidents of rape occurring inj Iraq. I am not trying to make light of this situation but simply pointing out that it does happen.
March on the River Drina is not a “Chetnic” song. It celebrates the Serbian win over the much better equipped and far superior numerically army of the Austro-Hungarians in WW1. Some groups have taken upon themselves to play this but it belongs to the Serbian people. In fact even Herbert Von Karajan directed the Berlin Philharmonic who played this piece in Vienna many times. Now if anyone should have objections it was the Austrians considering what it represents to them.
Your only making yourselves look foolish over this issue.

Dragane - Hvala Mnogo !.

I have heard this - Mars na Drinu - some Fifty Years ago,
but have had the thought it had something with the Camel Caravans of Northern Africa to do.

A wery Powefull Melody.

Cheers it was !.

Arn.Sweden.

When Bosniaks, Montenegrin s and Croats will understand that their grandfathers were Serbs ????

As far as the Bosniak nation's concerned: Yes, it's an artificial construct - just like the Croat nation and the Serb nation which are only about 150-200 years older than the Bosniak nation.

Amer,

you're partly right but also wrong. There's that triumphalist third stanza celebrating their foes' blood washing their foul footsteps' pollution. They were asked not to sing this verse on UK territory during WWII.

Also, you can't deny that the 4th stanza is a bit warmongering: "Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just"

So, the parts of the Star Spangled Banner that we normally hear at baseball games isn't really a "war song" (it's kind of ridiculous, actually. It's just a question: "do you see it??")

But the parts we don't here are both triumphalist and war-mongering.

As for Mars na Drinu - A hauntingly beautiful song. Too bad Serbian paramilitary groups co-opted it, along with every other symbol of Serbian national identity.

face it, willi, your credibility is zero. You are chronically negative and anti Serb ... you lack objectivity.

As for you judging Jeremic ... you can't even spell his name correctly.

Mars na Drinu! I do not apologise and I don't care who was offended because they're just uneducated and trying to get something from nothing.

Go and keep crying but don't blame it on people who had nothing to do with your losses. Trying to bring down a whole nation like these Bosniaks do is just like us saying that all muslims are uneducated and violent fundamentalists.

Most of them got raped by Turks or bowed down to them anyway so it shows just how strong their character was. Our families were raped beaten and tortured but we never 'changed' our beliefs like the Bosniaks and Albanians in Kosovo did.

(Commentator, 18 January 2013 21:28)

Typical of the New York Times writer. He calls the Cer battle infamous and gives no further detail. Quotes the statement partially and manages to construct that the song became an anthem of Serbian forces that fought in Bosnia. It also implies that the river is inside the country where, I suppose, angry Serb hordes occasionally march in to slaughter and throw some people down the stream. You know... for the heck of it.

(Peggy, 18 January 2013 23:17)

You regard the headline as detached from the text block? I think the message of the General Secretary was quite clear and I'm sure that next time he will much more careful when interacting with Vuk, since it is not the first time that the UNGA clown has his own agenda.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/serb-anthem-provokes-protests-un-apology/story-e6frg6so-1226556492669

http://www.thepublicopinion.com/news/associated_press/national/us/article_da3c489e-0471-5e5d-a1e0-977c1f6ff697.html

http://www.bosniak.org/cnab-welcomes-the-apology-of-the-united-nations-for-serb-nationalist-song-ovation/

If you need more sources, let me know.

"I don't see what the 'bosniaks' have to complain about, this song is dedicated to a battle against Austria-Hungary where their army suffered a heavy defeat."
(SCP UK, 18 January 2013 14:27)
Neopredeljeni, Muslim-Serb, Muslim, Bosniaks,(use any name) go over Drina river to serv Austrian military. In Serbia total disaster on CER and KOLUBARA. When Tito is on the power " Marsh na Drinu " is not permited in Yuga, today this former Serb wanted to use Tito policy in thear hand outside Bosnia at any place arround globe. To late for that.
" Matsh na Drinu " is one of the best song created in the Balkan in past 100 yr. do to high value, this songs is turned on and will run for ever.

"The song that glorifies the brutal killing of all those great British soldiers who were killed at the hands of the barbarous Americans.
Every American sings this song that is dedicated to war, fighting and killing of innocent British who were just there to protect what was theirs. At every American killing rally they play this. The children learn this song and glorify the murders of all those loyal to the throne. Dispicable I say.
(Colonial, 18 January 2013 22:29) "

It's obvious you've never heard the song: here are the lyrics - http://www.usa-flag-site.org/song-lyrics/star-spangled-banner.shtml

This is a song about relief at escaping destruction, and hope for the future, not a glorification of war. There's a reference to a "haughty foe," but the Brits did tend to be a bit - well, haughty - toward their former colony, for a while.

It is difficult to sing, I'll grant you that much.

(Peggy, 18 January 2013 23:13)

I posted a link to where it is connected. Of course, you will not answer to it, or even downplay, since it has zero to do with your claim, but that says more than 1000 words can do.

The adhan should be banned publicly because it uses the words allahu akbar. This terminology has been used as a motivational tool just before many gruseome, barbaric and bloody massacres. Thankyou and shoutout to the hate club that started this riduculous debate. Maybee it is time to investigate their activities. Shutting them down will remove an unnecessary hurdle to reconcilliation.

Inhabitants of Serbia did not consider themselves Serbs in medieval times. They considered themselves inhabitants of a certain region, orthodox christs, but in no way thought of themselves as Serbs in today's meaning.

Just like that, inhabitants of medieval Croatia didn't consider themselves Croats, etc.

As far as Bosnia's concerned, people used to consider themselves inhabitants of a certain region + orthodox Christs, Catholic christs or Muslims, but certainly didn't think of themselves as Serbs, Croats or Bosniaks.

Only in the 19th century the haute-bourgeoisie introduced the concept of nationhood. It was then that catholic Christs from BiH started to consider themselves Croats and orthodox Christs started to consider themselves Serbs.

Bosniaks had no reason to consider themselves a nation at that time. They only started to do so under Tito & (even stronger) after the end of socialism.

All this is a well known fact generally accepted by historians. Other interpretations are unscientific, nationalist propaganda.

The man is simply too possessed with serb national ideas, and a complete failure at his UN job.
(willi Pfaff, 19 January 2013 12:49)
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And what qualifies you to judge that?
Wishful thinking all the time with you Albanians.

Amber you make an obviously ridiculous assumption as I clearly stated that I hear that sing all the time. The star spangled banner is a song about a battle during the American war of aggression of 1812. However most Americans associate that song with the revolutionary war. Eitherway it, like march on tge drubs is a song commemorating the war it was written about.

If you need more sources, let me know.
(Commentator, 19 January 2013 01:18)
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No they are all copy, paste anyway. They all say the same thing.
Nowhere does it say 'we apologize'. They all say that it's regrettable that some people found it offensive.
You know that sort of journalism puts a catchy headline out there but doesn't support it with the body of the text?

"Oh there are Bosniaks speaking English???

oh nice as you never see them when there is something about Kosova- despite the fact that there were almost 10 thousand Albanians fighting along Bosniaks during the 90s. "

Thing probably would be easier with a less fanatic Kosovo government. Cooperation with somebody like Thaci who deliberately escalates things is not precisely easy.